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Aug. 31, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #38 - Bryan Callen
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joe rogan
On a road.
And that road may or may not lead you in a good direction.
But you're gonna stay on that fucking road if you're attached to an ideology.
And it could be a terrible road.
It could be a road of, you know, circumcising your daughter's clitoris because that's a fucking tradition.
I mean, these fucking crazy bitches in Africa that cut holes in their lip and stretch them out to put plates on.
Why is that?
Because they got on a fucking road and they stuck with that road.
Regardless of rational thinking.
They didn't use rational thinking at all.
They're just adapted, a predetermined pattern of behavior that makes life so much more simple.
And that's what every fucking religion is.
The problem is no one knows.
You cannot know.
You can have your own beautiful personal experiences.
You could have been the person that was actually touched by God.
But when you start yelling and ranting that other people have to follow you, Brian, you got two things going on at the same time.
I know you're full of shit.
I know you're full of shit, and you know you're full of shit.
And the real problem is that you can't say it.
Because everybody's got this freedom of religion, freedom of religion, religious freedom, the freedom to express yourself.
Even if you're expressing yourself with nonsense.
Nonsense that helps scared, lonely, sad people lock onto that nonsense so they feel like they're a part of something.
I mean, that's what it is.
It preys on people whose lives fucking suck.
So it's all nuts.
It's not like your shit's cool and my shit's not.
And it's not that, you know, yoga's the answer or fucking mushrooms are the answer.
There's just questions.
And until we're honest about that, we're never going to evolve.
The human race is stuck in a giant quagmire when it comes to our behavior and our thinking about our behavior.
But there comes a certain point in time where you have to pop the training wheels off.
And you have to recognize that all this morality that you've developed is good because it's good to treat other people good.
It's good to treat other people the way you'd like to be treated yourself.
It's like a fucking golden rule, and there's a reason for it.
And that reason is that we're connected in some strange way that we don't totally understand.
Unless you are good to other people around you, unless you're kind and friendly and warm and loving, you're not gonna fucking enjoy this life.
You're just not.
You're gonna be problems everywhere you go.
You're gonna have problems everywhere you go.
You gotta figure out a way to enjoy this fucking life.
It's not because of Jesus.
It's not because of Moses.
It's not because of anybody that may or may not have ever existed.
It's because that's how you fit in better in the world.
That's how you stay positive.
And it doesn't have to be some shit that was written 5,000 years ago on fucking animal skins.
That doesn't have to be the golden rule because it's old.
You know, that's dumb.
We need to figure out, like, now, today, What is the best way to live your life?
There's got to be ways you can be putting forth the most positive energy.
We know objectively what's causing pollution.
We know objectively what's causing birth defects.
We're taking too much chemicals and not enough vitamins.
We know objectively all this stuff.
We know how to organize our world, and yet we don't do it.
We know how to organize our health and yet very few people do it.
We know all these things.
The right path to being a happy, healthy person is to do all the shit that we already know you're supposed to do.
Take care of your body.
Take care of your health.
Take care of your mind, your stress.
Meditate, be kind to people.
We all know that.
I mean, you ask anybody, they know how to get by and to be the most evolved version of you that you can be.
I mean, it's not like a magical checklist.
You talk to people about it.
You said, okay, you got a person you want to improve them.
What are the things you're going to do to them?
Okay, well, if I was a life coach, the first thing I would say is, this guy's got to get on a diet that makes him healthy.
I don't need a diet just to lose weight.
I mean just healthy foods in your body.
You need many, many vegetables.
Vegetables, a lot of good quality protein, a lot of water, stop the sodas, stop the bullshit.
Start working out your body and get a better sense of how this machine feels when it's moving.
It's flowing better.
There's less tension in it.
Your mind feels relaxed and you enjoy every single moment of the day better.
Step one.
Everybody knows that step, right?
Step two.
unidentified
Be cool to people.
joe rogan
Be nice to as many people as you can.
Smile with as many people as you can.
Have them smile back at you.
Tip well when you go to restaurants.
Just do the most you can.
Be as nice as you can, you know, and just still manage that and people walk over.
Just get through this life as nice as you can.
What else?
Do what you want to do with your life, right?
Don't be doing something you don't enjoy.
Don't do something that's, don't get locked into, you know, a car that you can't afford and do this.
What the fuck is it that you really want to do?
Because if someone else is doing it, you can do it, you know?
I mean, everybody makes their own path through this world, but a lot of people don't follow the path that they really fucking feel pulled to, you know?
Just for whatever reason.
They got negative programming.
You know, when they were kids, someone told them they couldn't do it or told them to take the shortcut or take the short route.
That's a sad thing.
unidentified
That was a little long.
A lot of stuff.
bryan callen
A lot of wisdom.
unidentified
Very cool, though.
joe rogan
It was cool.
It's cool that someone did that.
Whoever did that, thank you very much.
Yeah, what is his name?
unidentified
Unknown name or no name?
joe rogan
Well, I should find out, right?
Well, I can't because my cunt-sucking website is down.
bryan callen
Cunt-sucking.
unidentified
Don't you hate that?
There's no reason for that.
joe rogan
It's so annoying.
My website's down a lot.
unidentified
There really is no reason for that.
bryan callen
I refer to my website as cunt-crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, this fucking thing's annoying as shit.
I don't know what's happening.
Perhaps it's a DOS attack, Brian.
Perhaps we're being attacked by hackers.
Thank you very much for tuning into the podcast.
I'm sorry we're late, but, you know, shit happens.
We're not very good at starting these things on time.
That's the beautiful thing about the internet is you don't really have to start everything on time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do we have an echo going on in the background?
unidentified
Seems like we do, don't we?
joe rogan
Go see if that shit is on.
I think it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can't get this right.
I swear to God, we try.
We try every week.
That's why you're supposed to have, like, engineers.
But if you had an engineer here, what if he was a weirdo?
You see the big circular thing, Brian?
Do you see it?
Did you kill it?
No, you didn't.
See that big circular thing?
Touch it, and it shuts off.
Okay.
Did you do that?
Yes.
No.
No.
Fuck.
Just shut it off, dude.
Shut the computer off.
unidentified
It makes it right when it's off, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
There we go.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
What kind of a show is this?
We have to listen to this, ladies and gentlemen.
What have I subjected you to?
unidentified
It's the best shows, though.
joe rogan
I apologize.
unidentified
It's the best show sometimes.
joe rogan
The best shows are always that we're...
What the fuck?
We're just justifying the fact that we're completely unprofessional.
This show, as all, are sponsored by the Fleshlight, ladies and gentlemen.
If you have not fucked one, you do not know what you're missing.
I think that's an official slogan now.
unidentified
Keep it away from teething dogs.
joe rogan
Outstanding masturbation device, Mr. Callan.
I suggest you use one.
I actually have one for you.
bryan callen
I appreciate that.
I hope you have one for me.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got one that I saved, especially for you.
Thank you.
You dress it up as a beer can, apparently.
bryan callen
Nice.
Or as a pussy.
joe rogan
Here, see?
It looks like a can.
bryan callen
Oh, it's hilarious.
joe rogan
So like if you're a closet pervert.
See, because if you got this out, you gotta do some explaining.
You gotta do some explaining.
bryan callen
Let me see that.
brian redban
It's worth more if you don't take off the plastic, though.
bryan callen
Why is that?
unidentified
Because it's more of a collector's item.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about?
Is it a baseball card, dude?
It's a fake pussy.
I'm not going to use it.
unidentified
Collecting fake pussies?
joe rogan
That is the craziest thing.
That might be the craziest thing you've ever said.
bryan callen
I listened to him.
I hesitated.
I went like that.
joe rogan
Maybe I shouldn't open it.
unidentified
Is that a rookie year natural light?
bryan callen
You snapped me out of it.
joe rogan
What is it about people that are into collecting old shit like that and keeping it in the wrapper?
This is the exact way it was made.
unidentified
I used to do that with comic books.
joe rogan
Like old cars?
Dude, cars go for a fuckload of money.
Like old Corvette, like original Corvette.
bryan callen
So do some stamps.
joe rogan
And they want original.
Everybody wants original radio.
They want original steering wheel.
All the stuff that sucked.
They want all that stuff.
bryan callen
I know.
I think it's a feeling of nostalgia.
It's like you get to touch what was alive back then or what was so cool it kind of brings them back to other memories or something.
joe rogan
It's very strange.
bryan callen
I've never been a collector, man.
Collectors always kind of remind me of people that do other weird stuff.
It's a fetish.
unidentified
Not even comic books?
bryan callen
When you collect, it's a fetish.
Now, it could be stamps, but it could also be like fingers.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
But have you ever done comic books?
Didn't you used to do comic books?
joe rogan
Yes, I used to do comic books.
bryan callen
I used to read them, but I never collected them.
joe rogan
It was one of my saddest moments of poverty when I was living in Boston, and I was totally broke.
I sold all my comic books.
unidentified
Did the exact same thing for rent money?
joe rogan
Dude, mine didn't even barely cover my rent.
It was boxes and boxes of comic books.
I mean, they totally...
Fuck you on the money.
They're worth way more than they pay you for.
But you gotta do what you gotta do.
brian redban
I had like 300 issues of just The Amazing Spider-Man.
And I had every single McFarlane.
I had like 10 of Todd McFarlane's first time he did Spider-Man.
bryan callen
I had weird comic book tastes.
I liked Conan.
Yes!
Because he was a real person.
joe rogan
Dude, I used to read his real books.
bryan callen
So did I. I read everything Robert E. Howard ever.
joe rogan
Yes, that's what I'm talking about!
bryan callen
Frank Prezetta did all that.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck.
bryan callen
Those were the best.
I read every single book he ever wrote.
And then he killed himself with 30, man.
joe rogan
He was a young guy.
unidentified
He killed himself?
bryan callen
Yeah, 30 years old.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's so awesome that you're into Robert E. Howard.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
He's actually a great writer.
joe rogan
He was a very good writer.
That kind of fantasy writing, he was the best at it.
He created a whole world, man.
Those are good books.
bryan callen
Oh my god, the books would start with this epic battle and this giant Sumerian, this guy with this volcanic blue eyes.
Finally, some survivor would turn and say, who are you?
And he would say, I am Conan.
joe rogan
Dude, the Conan books were awesome.
bryan callen
I didn't grow up to look like him.
That was the heartbreak.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It was very sad.
You set yourself up to such a golden standard.
That's dramatic for a Conan.
Yeah, it is.
bryan callen
That's a boy's first heartbreak.
joe rogan
He crushes you.
bryan callen
It's to realize I'm never going to be a superhero, man.
joe rogan
I'm never going to be a guy who kills dragons with a sword.
unidentified
Right.
bryan callen
I don't even get to carry a sword.
They're illegal.
joe rogan
He fights demons and shit.
bryan callen
I can't carry a sword.
joe rogan
Dude, if they could make the Conan books into a real movie with a really smart director.
The Conan Arnold Schwarzenegger thing was pretty cool.
It was pretty cool.
It wasn't bad, man.
But it was so 80s.
You know what I'm saying?
bryan callen
You got a movie that was done based...
joe rogan
Like The Hobbit.
Like Peter Jackson would do it or something.
Get him to really invest in Conan.
Conan was like this freak warrior that just...
unidentified
Always.
bryan callen
And it was always an epic.
Oh, there were awesome stories.
unidentified
It was always a journey.
bryan callen
And he always learned something at the end of the book, which was that, you know...
Steel makes right.
joe rogan
Isn't it fascinating, man, that that dude who wrote it, Robert E. Howard, was just completely depressed?
bryan callen
Yeah.
Killed himself in his car.
joe rogan
I believe shot himself in his car at 30. Just fucking couldn't take it.
Just wanted off the planet.
Wanted off.
This guy was like, well, I mean, for that genre, one of the best writers ever.
Really fun stuff, man.
Really cool stuff to read.
I loved that shit when I was a kid.
bryan callen
But he also, he lived in that fantasy world, and I guess, you know...
unidentified
Did Conan fuck Red Sonja?
joe rogan
I'm sure he fucked everything.
If he met her, he fucked her.
For sure.
bryan callen
Correct.
joe rogan
100%.
bryan callen
Of course he did.
joe rogan
If he met her, she just jumped on his dick like it was a grenade.
bryan callen
Immediately.
joe rogan
She was a brave soldier.
Listen, man.
That's Conan.
Conan was the king of the world.
He's like the baddest motherfucker ever.
That was the best thing about the Conan series.
You knew no matter what.
Just settle down, son.
Conan got it.
unidentified
He got this.
What was the worst part of the Conan series?
brian redban
What was the part of Conan that you hated, though?
joe rogan
I didn't hate it.
Was there a part?
unidentified
Nothing.
Was there a guy?
bryan callen
How about nothing?
joe rogan
Perfectly written.
bryan callen
Really?
He used to pray to Krom, which was this guy who lived in the center of the earth.
And you know what he used to ask Krom?
Because you couldn't ask Krom.
You couldn't ask Krom.
joe rogan
For forgiveness.
bryan callen
Yeah, because he was a restless guy.
The only thing he ever asked Krom of was a fighting chance.
He just wanted a chance.
They'd just give me a sliver of a chance.
joe rogan
To die well.
bryan callen
Yeah, I want to die well.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's what every man...
joe rogan
Son!
To be brave in the face of fucking evil monsters and demons and shit.
bryan callen
Every man's fantasy is to be a hero.
Every man's fear is that he's a coward.
joe rogan
He got it all locked up, man.
He had it all locked up.
In his brain, you know, his depressed brain, he created this intense fucking fantasy world.
bryan callen
Yeah, and because in a way, what he was talking about is somewhat timeless, you know?
joe rogan
It's almost like just energy.
He found a path for it.
All the depression for whatever was fucked up in his life, he figured out a way to divert it in this other direction.
This huge, fantastical world.
This fantastic world of fucking monsters and witchcraft and sword battles and this fucking gigantic brawny, tan, brawn-skinned man.
Yeah.
Fucking just slaughtering people.
bryan callen
Yeah, he used to call it cutting a path of crimson.
Cutting a crimson path.
He used morning stars.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had to have to survive in the fucking woods by eating pigeons, throwing rocks at them, and eating them raw and shit.
Dude, some of those stories were awesome.
bryan callen
Yeah, I just go to the supermarket.
joe rogan
Damn it.
Those stories are fucking awesome.
Those stories were the shit.
bryan callen
They really were.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I used to do magic tricks.
I had a little magic show in Fisherman's Wharf and I would do it so I'd get money for comic books.
I do like, yeah, put on a show.
I was like eight years old.
bryan callen
I used to put on a wig and do some dancing.
joe rogan
Well, I saw all these street performers in San Francisco.
And I got a box, like a magic box, you know, like for Christmas.
It's like, you know, a bunch of card tricks and a bunch of shit in it.
So I brought the box with me and I said, I don't know what I'll do.
I'll get a cape.
I'll put a hat on.
I'll look cute.
Like I was aware I would look cute.
I was like eight.
I was like a little eight-year-old criminal.
bryan callen
That's great.
A hustler.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And so that's how I first started performing.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
For comic books.
Because I was addicted to comic books.
bryan callen
And what kind of magic would you do?
joe rogan
It was terrible.
It was cute because I was eight.
And I was by myself.
Here's a question.
bryan callen
If you could be, if I could give you one magical quality, one, what would it be?
joe rogan
What is this, a date?
unidentified
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
Is this a ridiculous date with a contrived date?
unidentified
All right.
I think obviously it would be flying.
bryan callen
I thought you were going to give me a profound answer and you're like, is this a date?
joe rogan
Is this a date with a guy who pretends to be a palm reader?
Is this a date with a guy who believes in crystals?
unidentified
Give me your hand.
bryan callen
What happened when you were six?
joe rogan
A guy who believes in crystals?
bryan callen
I'm a healer.
joe rogan
If you could have one superpower.
bryan callen
There's one thing.
joe rogan
What would it be?
bryan callen
What would it be?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
If I really could think about it.
bryan callen
I want to look like one of those myostatin cows.
brian redban
At first, I want to say flying, but I'm so afraid of heights.
unidentified
You wouldn't fly, though.
I feel like I would only fly five feet above this sky.
You wouldn't fly.
bryan callen
It wouldn't matter.
You'd get somewhere, I guess, 15 minutes early.
Is there really that many places to really be?
Not really.
And you wouldn't fly.
You'd be all sweaty.
unidentified
It just seems cool.
bryan callen
You'd get hit in the head with birds and bugs.
joe rogan
It's hard to take magic power serious after you've had a real good mushroom trip.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, magic powers.
DMT is way crazier than any fucking magic trick anybody could ever do.
bryan callen
What if I said to you, you could see five minutes into the future for every time?
You were kind of on five minutes delay.
joe rogan
Yeah, that'd be great and everything, but then you'd be this douchebag who just knew about everything.
bryan callen
Yeah, you'd never have any surprises.
joe rogan
It's like you'd try to tell people, and they're like, how do you know?
How come I don't know?
People would hate on you.
Believe me, man.
The last thing you'd want to know is the future.
unidentified
Why didn't you tell me I was going to die?
joe rogan
My father could have been saved if you told us not to get on the train, Dad.
bryan callen
Yeah, but what if you could change the future?
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
We're going to change everything, man?
unidentified
What do you do?
joe rogan
Are you going to keep people alive forever?
bryan callen
You lose adventure.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, man.
The reality is this is a temporary experience.
We know it.
It's on paper.
It's been proven.
It's documented.
bryan callen
I really liked what you were saying about...
In that thing we just listened to about how people know.
They really do know the answers of how to take care of themselves.
It's getting out of their own way.
And it's always what I – it brings me back to what I always talk about when you have Mayor Bloomberg who wants to outlaw trans fats in food or when Washington or any government agency wants to legislate good health, whether it's making drugs for people and stuff like that.
Well, you're not going to make people healthier.
People know the answer.
There are a lot of really smart people that smoke cigarettes and eat a lot of fatty foods.
joe rogan
You can't protect people from shit, yeah.
bryan callen
But they're doing it.
It doesn't mean they don't know it's bad for them.
There's a whole other question.
It's why don't people dare to be the best they can be?
Why?
Is it because it takes effort or is it more of a courage issue?
Are you afraid of what you might find or not find as a result?
That's really the question.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of distractions going on with us.
People sabotage themselves all the time.
bryan callen
I see it all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, you create all sorts of bad habits so you don't have to deal with your own bullshit.
But I'm all for personal choice, man.
I think it's very important that we encourage personal choice.
bryan callen
Absolutely.
joe rogan
You appreciate it much more if you earn it.
I'm writing this book, and one of the things that I wrote about this book, the only thing I'm really proud of, of anything that I've ever done in my life, is my peace of mind.
That I know that I worked on.
That I know that I got there because I grew up in a very fucked up, turmoil-filled life, and I figured out a way to navigate it.
To become a happy person.
It's like one of the only things that I'm proud of.
bryan callen
Yeah, I think that knowing you for as long as I've known you, which is going on 16 years, I think that's a huge...
I absolutely see that transformation.
Because you used to be so intense, and you used to look at the world, I think, as just full of barbs and thorns.
And you were always on the defensive, always ready.
Because I remember we'd be hanging out, and somebody would say something stupid, which you always run into.
And I... And you just, it was so hard for you to deal.
You just, you just immediately call them out on their ridiculous, like, two plus two is 15. And unicorns live in my backyard.
And I'd go, that's great.
And you'd go, bullshit!
joe rogan
I don't like this person!
bryan callen
And I'd be like, ah, what do I do with this uncomfortable confrontation?
joe rogan
You used to hang out with some knuckleheads, though, in all fairness.
bryan callen
I really did.
joe rogan
In all fairness.
bryan callen
I really did.
joe rogan
You were hanging out with some crazy people.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
And I am not that way with reasonable, rational people, but when I'm there with meth heads, and I know someone's a meth head, and I'm like, um, something's wrong here.
bryan callen
I smell something.
joe rogan
Stop!
This is not normal conversation we're having here.
We got an issue.
We're not going to deal with how crazy this bitch is?
bryan callen
And I'd be like, I can't see anything!
joe rogan
We would be out with one of Brian's friends, and it would occur to me like five minutes into the conversation, okay, this is like a crazed fucking half-homeless criminal we're hanging out with.
I'm like, okay, we have to deal with this.
unidentified
Nah, she's not having it.
joe rogan
Everything's good.
unidentified
Nah, she's cool, she's cool.
bryan callen
She's just a little nervous today.
I blame it on that.
joe rogan
Yeah, she gets weird around people.
Yeah, you're an intense guy.
She gets weird around you.
unidentified
She's fucking meth.
bryan callen
She's starstruck.
You're like, she's doing meth.
joe rogan
Fucking mind, bro.
I'm like, there's a monster disconnect here with this chick.
bryan callen
Meanwhile, I really did find meth in her purse.
joe rogan
Yeah, of course you did.
bryan callen
Meanwhile, she ruined my life.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a wreck.
Good job, Brian.
I tried to talk him out of it.
unidentified
Nah.
joe rogan
Do you remember?
bryan callen
When I was younger, I'd be like, oh, that girl comes from a nice family.
I'll take the girl with the bat tattooed on her face and the track marks, please.
joe rogan
This is how crazy this girl was.
This is how crazy this was.
It was Brian and I met her at a bar.
And he told me, I want you to meet this girl I've been seeing.
She's really cool.
So I go and I meet him at the bar.
I talk to her for...
Three, four seconds?
Three or four seconds.
She turns and walks away, and I looked at him, and I go, she's fucking crazy.
I go, that girl's crazy.
I go, let's get out of here right now.
I go, get the fuck out of here.
I go, you need to just change your number, shut your fucking phone off, let's go, let's get out of here.
It's like, nah, she's fine.
bryan callen
She's cool, no, she's not going to stick with that.
joe rogan
You know how you have a friend who you love to death, but for some reason, like, he doesn't have those John Carpenter glasses?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
From the thing.
He can't fucking see it.
Everybody else can see that this bitch is crazy.
He could not see it.
He did not have the glasses.
bryan callen
Well, I just chose not to see it.
joe rogan
Well, you didn't just choose not to see it.
You would glaze over and become like a project.
I'm locked into this.
bryan callen
This is a project for me.
joe rogan
I'm working with her.
I'm trying to help her.
bryan callen
I want to change her.
joe rogan
I was like crazy survival boy.
I was like, we gotta get out of here, man.
bryan callen
But you were always right.
Because I would have saved a lot of effort and time.
unidentified
You're a healer, Brian.
joe rogan
I don't have healer instincts.
I have run away from monster instincts.
bryan callen
Yeah, but healer instincts are phony too because what I was trying to do was I just wanted a project where it was like I was the guy of the savior.
It was a very selfish arrangement in a way.
No, don't blame yourself.
joe rogan
I mean, you're being critical by saying it was selfish, but it's just a faction of all of these things.
All these crazy behaviors are just from our childhood.
It's all it is.
bryan callen
Yeah, I think you're right.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
I mean, you did not like the way you were raised, and you were trying to literally raise a chick.
You were trying to literally guide them.
I mean, you know, and fuck them.
bryan callen
Yeah, and fuck them.
I mean, that's important.
That's part of the guidance.
joe rogan
A huge part of it.
bryan callen
It's part of the guidance.
It's part of the power.
You have to lie down on your stomach and march your back.
joe rogan
It's part of the connection to the universe.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Such a...
bryan callen
And fuck them.
joe rogan
And fuck them.
What a...
Crazy fucking...
bryan callen
It occurred to me.
Remember when I told you this?
It occurred to me that the girls I was dating in LA, I was like...
I looked at their last four relationships and I was like, wow.
All four relationships.
All of those girls, for me, they were all essentially...
a high-tech pet.
unidentified
They were not people.
bryan callen
They were high-tech pets.
I had to feed them.
I had to be nice to them and pet them.
I had to go.
I had to talk to them like little cuties.
And then I had to fuck them.
And who hasn't thrown a wig on the dog?
You know, the point is...
unidentified
It's all about hacking them now.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's so true.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so true.
bryan callen
It was weird.
joe rogan
Brian is one of the...
Well, his current woman aside, she's very nice.
And he's had a few in the past that were very nice.
It's not all of them.
You know, Patty Jenkins is one of the coolest humans on the planet.
bryan callen
No doubt.
joe rogan
But Brian has been the smartest guy that I know that has dated the dumbest chicks.
I mean, just straight...
bryan callen
Not just dumb.
Crazy, though.
joe rogan
Straight, just nothing.
bryan callen
How about my girl, this girl...
joe rogan
Don't say anything.
bryan callen
My girl, Tina, who lived with me.
She didn't know who Freud was.
She didn't know who Freud was.
She was 30. And then she thought, and this was an actress, she thought that Shakespeare lived in biblical times.
I was like, hey, hey, you're already in my house.
How do I go through this eviction?
It took a year.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bryan callen
See if I can procrastinate the ending of this relationship for the next two years.
joe rogan
Wow.
Well, you know what?
There's nothing wrong with not knowing something.
bryan callen
Well, yeah.
You just get older, though, and you start learning.
joe rogan
It seems like you should know that.
bryan callen
The main thing is to get older and learn.
Learn from your mistakes and not make the same ones.
joe rogan
But, you know, the problem is a lot of people get programmed a certain way as they're growing up, and it's very hard to shake off their programming.
Sometimes it's better to have no programming, as I think you did and I did, where you just kind of were left alone to figure out life by yourself.
Sometimes I think that's better than having shitty programming.
Because if a girl grows up with shitty programming where there's a lot of dumb people around her all the time offering their dumb thoughts and she's with dumb people all day instead of being left alone.
bryan callen
Yeah, I think the reason that I didn't grow up that way necessarily is I lived in so many different countries.
I was always literally moved.
I thought about it.
This is the truth.
I didn't live anywhere for more than… For the first 30 years of my life, actually 33 years of my life, I didn't live in one place for more than a year and a half.
I literally had moved every year to a year and a half, and a lot of times it was a totally different culture, continent, but I think that didn't allow me to get pigeonholed, or I was exposed to so many different cultures and ideas that you have to kind of keep reshifting and adjusting your paradigm.
Because what you think is a preconceived notion, for example, You get this idea of what a lot of people say, well, that's my idea of what an Arab is, that's my idea of what a Jew is, that's my idea of whatever it is.
When you're exposed constantly to different people in totally different settings, what you really actually learn to do as a child is empathize with those people.
Because you start to realize, yeah, they're different, but they're exactly the same.
joe rogan
Did you find yourself being a chameleon?
And blending into the new environment.
bryan callen
My dad used to say, my father said to me when I was 15, he said, I've never seen anyone ever be a bigger chameleon.
He said, your ability to ingratiate yourself and find your way into any situation, find a hole in any situation, he said, I remember his first comment he ever gave me, he never even gave me a comment.
He said, it's remarkable.
He goes, I've never seen anything like it in my life.
He saw me like, I was in Switzerland or something, and I just had no friends.
joe rogan
I was a chameleon.
We moved from New Jersey to San Francisco to Florida to Boston.
bryan callen
And that's why your accents, by the way, a lot of people don't know one thing about you.
Your accents are as good as anybody's.
And that's probably because you developed an ear.
joe rogan
Well, I learned about my own.
unidentified
Rhythm and pacing.
joe rogan
I won the Bay State Games Taekwondo tournament, and they put me on television.
The first time I was on television, and I was 19. And I heard myself on TV. I was talking about my instructor, Mr. Mike O'Malley.
And I was saying, me and Mr. O'Malley, we've been working out really hard.
And I heard my accent.
I was like, that is the grossest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.
I had like a fake Boston accent.
I mean, I had a Boston accent.
But yeah, I was so disappointed in myself that I picked it up that quickly.
I'd only lived in Boston for like three years, and all of a sudden I had this crazy accent.
bryan callen
Well, but that comes, I think, from having an ear for the music of any situation.
joe rogan
Actually, it was six years by then.
Six years by then that I'd be in Boston.
But six years, and I developed like a hard.
I'm saying hard.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
unidentified
Sure.
bryan callen
We're social animals, though, too, you know?
joe rogan
So I dropped it.
I learned and I dropped it.
But hearing myself on TV made me consider my accent and how ridiculous it was.
I was affecting an accent to fit in.
unidentified
Does it ever come out out of the blue, though?
joe rogan
Well, there's some Boston for sure.
I mean, I lived in Boston.
Boston's where I grew up.
If you talk about my formative years, my formative years are 13 to 24. I lived in Boston.
13 to 23, something like that.
bryan callen
That's a long time.
joe rogan
That's 10 years.
That's growing up.
If I think about a hometown, Boston's definitely my hometown.
bryan callen
Boston's a rough town, by the way.
joe rogan
We just had the UFC in Boston.
There was no less than 11 bench-clearing brawls in the fucking stands.
I mean, full-on soccer kicks, pride style.
There's stories on the internet of people getting their fucking heads stomped.
There's all kinds of crazy stories.
They're nuts!
bryan callen
So this was at the UFC, in the stands?
Dude, Boston is filled with savages.
unidentified
Yeah, it's true.
They're savages.
bryan callen
They're amazing.
joe rogan
I've never lived in a place where people were so quick to scrap.
bryan callen
It's why a lot of good comics come out of Boston, though, because to be able to deal with those crowds, those cynical crowds, and navigate your way through that...
joe rogan
Yeah, we've talked about it on this show many, many times with other Boston guys like Bill Burr and Dane Cook, and it's the place where...
It's like the proving ground for comedy.
There were so many good comics that came out of there.
That's one of the reasons.
You had to be so on your toes to make those guys laugh.
And if they turned on you, it was over.
If a Boston crowd turns on you and starts booing, there's no rational thinking involved.
If you go on stage with a fucking Yankee shirt on, they're just going to start throwing shit at you.
We're not going to talk about this.
Hey, come on, guys.
I like New York.
You like Boston.
What's the big deal?
unidentified
Fuck!
Fuck you, queer!
joe rogan
They'll fucking throw glasses at you.
unidentified
They'll give me shit.
joe rogan
They'll all together decide to beat the fuck out of you.
It won't be like one guy does it.
Yeah, the other people go, hey, we shouldn't do this.
No, they'd all go, yeah, get him!
bryan callen
The way I school the fish knows to turn.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, they'll break your windows if you're driving by with a New York license plate in your car.
Like, they're fucking crazy.
bryan callen
Guys, haven't you read God and His Autobiography?
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's something about that.
That town has a great sense of humor, man.
bryan callen
It has a great sense of humor because I think they live in the truth in a way.
You can't bullshit your way into Boston.
You show up in a pair of leather pants.
Hey, guys, I just bought these leather pants.
What the fuck are you doing?
joe rogan
Get those on!
bryan callen
I told you, my buddy Carmine Profesano in New York is a little bit like that.
I'd been in Paris, and this woman, this really sexy saleswoman, told me that I looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger in this leather jacket.
And I was like, I do?
I must have gotten that.
I literally, like, I've heard myself going, I must.
I think I put on muscle life in Paris.
For real.
Like, I literally, this is what an idiot I am.
This is how badly I've always wanted to be built like a guy like that.
So I go, I'll buy the jacket.
And it was at the time, it was like $400.
I did not have any money.
It was like, that's ridiculous.
She goes, you know what would go really well?
I was like, quoi?
Which means what in French.
unidentified
She goes, these leather pants!
bryan callen
And of course, I'm like, you're right!
unidentified
And her pants, exactly what's missing from my life!
bryan callen
Now I'm really going to get girls.
By the way, I wasn't 16, I was like 24. So I literally show up, I literally...
Oh, by the way, I had to get boots that went with them because they didn't really fit.
So I had these boots that go with these pants and these chocolate, chocolate, milk chocolate leather, thick leather pants.
Not suede.
Fucking leather!
Okay?
Like couch leather pants.
So, my buddies.
How much did they weigh?
Uh, way too much.
They were so thick, I could have run through a thornbrier and been fine.
Really?
Yeah, really!
They were literally, I remember them being so thick, I was like trying to get into them, I was supposed to stretch them, it was a disaster.
And literally, I walk out, and my buddies, I think Carmine and Eddie McCann, Donnie Gannon, I mean all these like Irish and Italian guys from New York, Carmine goes, what the fuck has he got on his legs?
And I'm like, oh, these are from Paris.
Before I even got Paris out, they were on me pulling my pants off, just getting them off me to throw out the window.
Yeah, and then we fucked.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry.
I mean, erase.
Is this on a delay?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
We got it.
joe rogan
Dude, imagine if that's all people wore.
Just animal skins.
bryan callen
That's my joke.
I'm always like, yeah, that's so soft.
What is that?
And the first girls go, where'd you buy that?
I'm like, buy it.
I caught it, killed it, and made it.
Oh my god, that's so fucking soft.
What kind of fur is that?
Puppy.
No, that's mean.
But if they had chicken heads, we'd wear them.
joe rogan
It was pretty funny until that, and then it gets sad.
bryan callen
That's what I do, and then I go, yeah, but you know what?
I would never do that, but they're easy to catch.
joe rogan
Have you seen that horrible video online where those 4chan guys are after that bitch that was throwing fucking puppies?
unidentified
I hope they catch that bitch, and I hope they fucking happy face her.
joe rogan
There's a chick who had a bucket full of puppies, man, and she walks up to a river and starts throwing the puppies in the water.
The puppies are yiping.
Where did it take place?
What country?
unidentified
Uh...
Fuck, I can't remember.
joe rogan
I don't know what country.
You can find it, but 4chan is this internet, you know, it's a website filled with fucking psychos.
unidentified
Great website.
I love it.
joe rogan
Great website.
unidentified
The best website in the world, Joe.
joe rogan
They have some funny shit that comes out of it, man.
bryan callen
What's that website?
joe rogan
4chan.
That's where, like, the LOL cat meme, it all came from that.
You know, those really hilarious cats that say, like, stupid, like, almost Ebonics shit.
Right.
bryan callen
It's all from...
joe rogan
Says what?
You know, like, and you see it, like, it fits funny in a thread.
brian redban
It's one of the best websites ever.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
That's one of the funnest things about the internet, is these little fucking, uh, nigga, you gay?
unidentified
You know, like, things that people just know when to insert.
It's the photoshops.
joe rogan
It's a fucking, like, a reoccurring joke, though.
Like, people will save them, you know, and you'll find them online.
Like, there's a lot of really funny ones that you can, this, you know, this thread smells gay, you know, and someone's spraying, uh, Lysol in the air.
brian redban
One thing though, tip, if you go to 4chan's website, put it on private surfing mode on your browser or just clear your cache and delete your computer when you're done going to that website because you'll do some crazy shit at that website.
bryan callen
Did you hear about this website?
joe rogan
So what?
You think they're illegal?
unidentified
There's a lot of illegal stuff on that website.
joe rogan
Alright, let's not mention that.
We don't want anybody getting locked up in the pokey.
unidentified
Just be careful.
bryan callen
Did you hear about this website?
I was just at Parlor Live in Seattle.
By the way, that's a great club.
Have you ever done that?
joe rogan
Parlor Live?
bryan callen
Parlor Live?
joe rogan
In Seattle?
bryan callen
Yeah, it's really, really awesome.
joe rogan
I've only done The Underground, that small place in Seattle.
bryan callen
Oh no, this new place, they pack it in.
joe rogan
And I did a theater there.
bryan callen
They pack it in and it's run by this guy Ruben.
How many seats is it?
It's probably like a solid 300, but it's a smart group because they're all Microsoft people.
It's really cool.
It's up in Bellevue where Microsoft is.
You get a really cool, eclectic, but pretty educated audience.
I don't know.
It's kind of refreshing.
joe rogan
I love that.
I like that about San Francisco.
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
And so, anyway, but one of the comics that was there, poor girl, she was married and found out her husband was having an affair.
And the reason she found out was because there's a website called Dolly Madison or something for married people if they want to have affairs.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Holly Madison.
unidentified
Holly Madison.
bryan callen
Yeah, Holly Madison.
And he had his profile on there.
It's like, way to get caught, dude.
She was like, my husband's looking for, this is weird, you know.
joe rogan
How hilarious is that?
That someone came up with a website for people that want to cheat.
bryan callen
Yeah, for other married people.
So married people want to cheat on other married people.
It's like, hey, I'm married.
You're married, too.
Let's go bang!
joe rogan
People are crazy.
bryan callen
That's great.
unidentified
That's scary.
joe rogan
Anyway.
What's scary is that the guy was so dumb that he would create a fucking profile with his real name?
bryan callen
Yeah, with his real name and picture.
unidentified
Hey!
bryan callen
He put his pictures on my profile.
It's IWantToGetCaught.com!
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bryan callen
Yeah.
unidentified
Did you see that Twitter that I put out the other day?
brian redban
There was a website using HTML 5.0, and it's called thewildernessdowntown.com.
joe rogan
Somebody else tweeted that.
unidentified
Did you do it?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Check it out.
Thewildernessdowntown.com.
brian redban
You put in your address, like the place you grew up in.
And what it does is it takes Google Street View maps and it mixes it with videos of people running down streets.
And it shows aerial views zooming into your house like it's in a helicopter.
And it just uses it from this one address.
unidentified
And it's fucking trippy.
brian redban
I mean, it's not as cool after a few minutes.
unidentified
You get the tricks and everything like that.
brian redban
But at first, you're sitting there going, wow, this is badass.
unidentified
So check it out.
It's the wilderness downtown.
joe rogan
They're just preparing us.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're preparing us for the one state of total connectivity where the whole fucking world is connected together.
When the world wakes up.
bryan callen
It's called the singularity.
unidentified
That's what they call it.
joe rogan
Kurtzweil, right?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, the idea that there's going to come some sort of a connection.
bryan callen
A neural hub, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
A neural global hub.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's one of the reasons why people hate deception so much and people hate lies so much is that everyone's trying to figure life out.
And it doesn't help.
If you find out that someone's not being honest.
You can help me, your revelations, and they have.
You and I have talked a bunch of times about some crazy shit and helped each other very much.
The reason why is because I absolutely believe that you're going to tell me the truth.
And you know that I'm going to tell you the truth.
If you don't have that, if one person's telling the truth and the other person isn't, then you're fucked.
Then you're in this weird situation like, oh, this guy's not even looking at reality.
This is bullshit.
He's not helping me.
He's actually hindering me.
He's getting in the way.
bryan callen
But I see that all the time.
unidentified
All the time.
bryan callen
One of the things I find tiring about living in Los Angeles, and maybe I'm being unfair to Los Angeles.
Maybe it's everywhere.
But I just always find that people are not only playing a character.
They're not even themselves.
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
They haven't even faced up to who they are because they're still playing a character.
joe rogan
How common are these characters?
They're clearly defined, right?
bryan callen
They're so clearly defined because they're almost archetypes.
They're like, this is what a man is supposed to behave like.
So this is how I'm going to behave.
And by the way, this is also how my wife is going to behave.
My woman is going to behave.
So you have a man and a woman playing characters and coming together on almost a – just the platform by which they're coming together is already fake.
Nobody's being honest with each other.
You've been cast as a guy who's got to be tough in this way, and she's been cast as this other person.
joe rogan
It was like watching a show.
I've watched people, actors talk at a party, and it literally is like they're appearing on an episode of Friends.
Everything they're saying is affected and fake, and there's a certain quality to it.
You know what I hate when people say...
Good to see you.
You know why they say good to see you?
Because they can't remember if they met you or not.
So they say good to see you.
And it's like this creepy actor political thinking thing.
Where I say, if I say nice to meet you, and someone goes, oh, we met already.
I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm a retard.
When did we meet?
Like, I just can't remember everybody.
That's just a problem.
It's like there's only a certain amount of hard drive space that a human being has in his head for people.
They say it's like 150 people, right?
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
There's been calculations done on it.
At 150 people, you can't remember anybody more.
You don't have the space for it.
bryan callen
I want to piggyback what you're saying on this quote I heard from Eleanor Roosevelt.
She said, mediocre minds talk about people.
Elevated minds talk about events.
And great minds talk about ideas.
And so when you're talking about having a hard drive for people, you're not supposed to even aspire to talk about people.
Think about what most people talk about.
Pay attention to conversations.
And you know what you'll find most of the time?
They're gossiping.
They're telling stories about other people's sort of shortcomings.
It's why Us magazine, those magazines are so popular.
It's why so many of these talk shows that deal only with what's going on in Hollywood are so successful.
People want to, they want to, they want to, I'm always amazed at people's capacity for gossip and how people can actually give a shit about somebody's relationship if they happen to be in a movie and stuff like that.
unidentified
Stories, too, though.
Everyone's always done that.
Back in the day, you had stories about people.
joe rogan
Good stories, though.
bryan callen
It's serious.
It's to our detriment.
It's serious.
There's serious things going on in the world that raise very serious questions, right?
We're all affected by it.
It seems to me almost this sort of, I don't know if the word is, this analgesic sort of quality to sitting back and talking about things that have nothing to do with anything, that are by their very nature completely ethereal.
For example, like how much weight this actress lost or how much weight this actress gained and things like that.
joe rogan
Do you ever watch Keeping Up with the Kardashians?
bryan callen
I do not.
joe rogan
I think you should get it out.
It's a really good show.
bryan callen
I can't wait.
I hope they have the CDs.
joe rogan
I have a theory about all this stuff, this stuff with gossiping and shit.
I think what it really is is human beings, I think it has sort of a therapeutic effect on people.
I think the questions that are around us all the time are so big and so scary and so nutty.
bryan callen
Absolutely.
It's a form of connection, and I'm not talking about connection.
I'm not talking about having a place for everything like that.
I'm saying that the problem is that when that is, when that becomes all people think and talk about, there's something wrong.
joe rogan
A lot of what's going on is I think people are inundated with too much data.
I think our brains are not set up to be on the internet yet.
It's just the brain is just being overwhelmed by shit.
So I think we like to keep things really simple sometimes to distract ourselves from that.
bryan callen
Well, that's an interesting thing too because I was also thinking about how technology and its exponential growth is kind of rendering masculinity in its traditional form completely obsolete.
joe rogan
Someone sent me an email thanking me.
He goes, thank you for connecting rational thinking and manly shit together because normally it doesn't exist.
He goes, most people aren't open-minded.
If you're into manly shit, everyone assumes you're a meathead.
You're a dumbass.
I can't be intelligent and enjoy this, but I do.
So what's going on?
It's in my nature.
How can you tell me I'm wrong?
bryan callen
It's in your genes.
joe rogan
I mean, how can you tell someone they're wrong with that?
bryan callen
But it's interesting how a lot of this stuff is becoming simulated.
One of the reasons I think video games are so popular is because it's an outlet, it's an aggressive outlet for boys and men even to exercise that natural instinct to hunt and kill.
joe rogan
It is absolutely natural, man.
Ricky Schroeder was on a couple weeks ago, two weeks ago, and Ricky hunts like crazy.
unidentified
Does he?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
He would never strike me as the guy.
joe rogan
He hunts everything, man.
He hunts everything.
We were talking about hunter-gatherer instincts, and it brought up the idea, and I brought this up, I think there's probably a series of genetic rewards we have for catching and eating things and killing things because it's good for you, and because something is good for you, usually there's some sort of a natural reward system going on.
Like with, you know, your brain chemistry, you get like, you know, a little blast of dopamine or whatever happens, you know, a little blast of something.
And we were talking about it and we were talking about like fishing.
Like you ever go fishing, man?
And catch a big fish and then you cook and eat it?
bryan callen
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
It feels good, right?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think we're getting away from all that stuff.
And we all have these reward systems that are set up inside of our bodies.
And if we don't get them in some direction and force them into good exercise or some fucking creative path or something, we're basically making up for some rewards that we don't get all day anymore.
Our lives now, if you work a shitty job, even if it pays well, if it's a shitty, boring-ass fucking job...
It's not nearly as exciting as being a hunter.
Right.
When you're a hunter, you might not be successful every day, but there's some shit that's going to go down.
bryan callen
You've got to stalk.
joe rogan
And you've got to look out for other animals that are trying to jack you.
You've got to all keep an eye out for mountain lions and crazy shit.
If we're talking about thousands and thousands of years ago, we still have those bodies.
We still have those bodies that are wired, like sex feels good, why?
So you make babies.
It's set up for that.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
The hunt feels good, why?
So you keep hunting.
There's a reward system.
So there's a deficit because we're not experiencing that.
unidentified
We're not experiencing that.
joe rogan
And even though we do have dicks and we do have balls and we are men, like in society, There's very little outlets for real manly shit.
bryan callen
There are very few outlets.
joe rogan
We are designed to kill shit.
We are designed to hunt and kill things.
bryan callen
For thousands of years.
I mean, for millennia, we've been genetically programmed to provide and protect.
That takes courage and cunning and strength.
joe rogan
And as long as we're eating meat.
Okay, if you're eating meat, that means you're killing something.
And if you're killing something, you have to be violent.
There's got to be a violent release.
And all of a sudden, you're taking in all this animal protein like you're killing things.
bryan callen
We needed our violence.
joe rogan
But there is no violence with most of us.
There's no release.
There's no explosion.
So that's why everybody's fucking crazy with stress.
We're eating meat and not being violent.
bryan callen
You were all saying exercise.
I so believe that the first thing for anybody to do, in my opinion, is get in your body.
Get in it and feel the machine.
And exercise, I think, is crucial, man.
I don't know where I'd be with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's maintenance for the mind.
The body is important, but it's the mind.
You can think way better.
If I have anything that's fucking with me, I go out and I hit the punching bag.
Just think about nothing.
Just hit the punching bag.
Kick it, punch it, kick it, punch it, do a few rounds.
Nothing bothers me when it's over.
bryan callen
I heard a statistic and I don't have the – it's not like Mayo Clinic and stuff, but it came from a fairly reliable source that said that one in four people will die of cancer.
One in four people get cancer eventually, whether it's in their 80s or 90s or whatever.
One in seven athletes get cancer.
They found.
And there are a couple of theories for that.
One is that exercise moves lymphatic fluid through your body, and that's how you keep your body clean and all that stuff.
And then people who did sports, but they're talking about athletes, like professional athletes and Olympic athletes.
One in seven versus your standard one in four.
unidentified
What kind of cancer?
Breast cancer?
bryan callen
All cancers.
joe rogan
You know, an interesting statistic, there's never been a professional athlete that has lived to be over 100. I believe that, and I think it's probably because of the kind of stress.
I don't know if that's true, but I read that.
It was called Dead Doctors Tell No Tales or something like that.
It was all about minerals.
bryan callen
Well, from what I understood, professional athletes from sports do die earlier.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it makes sense if you put an incredible amount of stress on your body.
brian redban
Or ass cancer from eating so much proteins and hard meats and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Not everybody gets that.
Ass cancer.
You have to go straight Brock Lesnar to get that.
bryan callen
One and two.
joe rogan
Brock Lesnar almost died from diverticulitis.
unidentified
You know that, right?
bryan callen
Is that a liver disease or something?
joe rogan
No, it's from eating too much protein and no fiber.
You have protein buildup in your gut and it was actually like rotting a hole through it and creating abscesses.
He had a real problem.
unidentified
Did he start getting sick or did he just like, brock, don't feel good?
joe rogan
He just didn't feel good for a long time.
They said that he was operating at 60 to 80% of his potential, which is fucking terrifying when you think of how fucking fast and strong and athletic that dude is and to think that he was actually like sick the whole time.
bryan callen
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
He's crushing dudes and he's sick.
He's fighting Cain Velasquez in October in Los Angeles.
bryan callen
In Anaheim.
Now, I've never seen anybody quite so explosive and so big.
joe rogan
He's a true freak athlete.
bryan callen
Doesn't he walk around at 300 pounds and suck down?
joe rogan
No, not anymore.
I don't think he wants to take that toll on his body.
But he's a bit over 265. He's actually lighter now than he's ever been before because he changed his diet.
bryan callen
Is he stronger when you talk to other guys who fought him?
Does he feel like...
joe rogan
Dudes who've trained with him say...
Well, yeah, he got clipped with a big punch.
Shane Carwin is a strong motherfucker, too, and he can bang, dude.
Shane Carwin has serious, serious, serious power.
He's got power that there's not a single man on the planet that can take one of those bombs and be okay.
bryan callen
I agree.
joe rogan
He got fucked up, and Brock knew it.
I think he felt it and was like, holy shit, this is like a new kind of thunderstorm coming my way.
I don't think anybody ever hit him like that.
Phew.
I mean, everybody's like, Brock can't take a shot, and Brock covered up and ran.
No, Brock survived and won the fight, stupid.
bryan callen
He did what he had to do.
unidentified
He took a beating!
joe rogan
He got clipped.
We knew for sure that Shane was going to be the better striker, but Brock has had some good...
He dropped Randy with the right hand.
He dropped Heath Herring with the right hand.
It was just how quick Shane put it on him.
As soon as he started bombing, I was like...
Oh, shit!
It's like, that dude's got some special power.
unidentified
He does.
joe rogan
He's got some, boom!
Like, he hits dudes, and you can see the look in their eyes.
They're like, what the fuck?
Like, when he hit Frank Mir, like, he hit Frank Mir, like, the short left hand inside, and you can see Frank Mir's face, like, a couple of times.
Before he dropped him, he hit him with these short punches.
It was that, but it was the look in his face like, whoa!
This is some fucking rocky shit we're doing here!
I'm getting hammered!
These are bombs!
He's seeing sparks and trying to keep it together, and he's not expecting that.
And then he's thinking, what happens if this motherfucker gets his arms loose and starts raining these on me?
I'm going to sleep!
unidentified
Shit!
joe rogan
And then he gets one hand loose, and he's like, oh fuck, here it comes!
Boom!
And when Amir's legs give out, I'm like, God damn, Amir can take a shot, man.
bryan callen
Amir's a big guy.
joe rogan
He can take a shot because he took a gang of them before he went out.
He took a gang of them.
And Carlin was blasting him, man.
Carlin, if he can get his cardio together, he can get his situation together.
I think it was a situation with the blockbuster fight.
bryan callen
He got really excited.
joe rogan
He thought it was over.
He thought it was over, and he was just going to try to stop the fight and throw as many punches as possible.
bryan callen
From what I heard, he got really excited.
joe rogan
It was a strategy mistake.
He didn't breathe, and he locked up.
He locked up, and then he got literally lactic acid, froze his muscles, and the second round, he was done.
But if he can figure out how to get his strategy together, and it might not even be to be that big, man.
I mean, he's like two.
He told me he cut, I think he said 16 pounds.
So when I was talking to him the day of the fight, he was 16 above 265. That's so weird how big these guys are.
unidentified
He's giant!
bryan callen
It's so weird.
joe rogan
How tall is he?
unidentified
He's a fucking giant!
joe rogan
He's 6'1", 6'2".
bryan callen
That's so weird.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
What did he do before this?
joe rogan
He's got these redonkulous gorilla paws, too.
unidentified
He's this dude.
joe rogan
He shakes your hand.
And you're like, what the fuck is that that you call a ham?
What is this giant thing with bone and ham hock?
bryan callen
Because there are bears and there are dogs.
unidentified
I'm a dog and he's a bear.
joe rogan
He's a bear.
bryan callen
And no matter what happens, a dog never beats a bear in a fight.
But my question, I'm sure you've been asked before, is...
What I noticed about Fedor Emelienko is his timing, his ability to time punches.
joe rogan
Oh, he's got brilliant timing.
bryan callen
And it's just so much better than everybody else's.
joe rogan
He springs in.
bryan callen
And his ability and his speed.
Yeah, he's very fast.
He's got to be, I bet you, if he were to really trim down, he's got to be 25 pounds overweight.
I'm just talking about fat.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
Yeah, this is incredible, right?
bryan callen
It's incredible, and that's the one thing I'd like to see him fight Brock.
joe rogan
I've already said that I think that he could fight at middleweight, and I'm not kidding.
I mean, I wouldn't want to see him do it.
I enjoy the fact that he fights at heavyweight, that he's only 230 pounds.
bryan callen
Who in the world would stand up to him at middleweight?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know.
I mean, who knows?
Maybe the speed wouldn't be as big as an advantage at middleweight.
Maybe at middleweight, maybe one of the things he's got going for him is he really is a small guy.
And, you know, when he's throwing these punches, it's sufficient power to drop these guys.
Because, I'll tell you what, a guy like Patrick Cote, a 185-pounder who can really punch, that motherfucker can knock out anybody.
He can knock out a heavyweight.
A heavyweight student like Patrick Cote, Patrick blasted him with a big shot, he could put away a heavyweight, for sure.
And maybe that's what Fedor's doing.
Maybe him being, like, this lighter guy.
There might be a benefit in being lighter.
I mean, look at the Frankie Edgar fight.
bryan callen
230?
joe rogan
230. 230 and fat.
So, if you look at Rich Franklin, okay...
Rich Franklin is, like, above 200 pounds when he cuts down to 185. And now that he's campaigning at light heavyweight at 205, he's walking around, I would say, probably maybe 220 or something like that.
Not too big, but bigger.
And, you know, Rich Franklin, you know, he's a fucking big guy, man.
You know, he's a big fucking...
I mean, if you wanted to be a fat guy, he could be 230. Really?
Yeah.
I mean, Rich Franken was the UFC midway champion, and if you put fat on him, he could easily be Fedor's weight.
bryan callen
Can you tell me why?
It really seemed to me like the spider, Anderson Silva, is bored or something.
He just didn't want to fight.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
That's not the case at all.
Chael Sonnen is a fucking monster.
unidentified
That's what I thought BJ Penn was.
joe rogan
Chael Sonnen is a serious wrestler.
He is a hard-nosed motherfucker, and he will take fucking five punches in the face to try to take you down.
And look, when he's dedicated, and when he's on, and when he's right, and he was in the Nate Marquardt fight, and he was in the Anderson Silva fight, he's a bad motherfucker.
He can take down anybody, man.
He can take you down, and he can beat the fuck out of you when he's on top of you.
And you're gonna have to deal with that shit for five rounds, because he can keep doing it.
And by the way...
bryan callen
Anderson Silva did deal with it, didn't he?
joe rogan
Yeah, and then he caught him.
Anderson Silva, that's a master right there, man.
He waited for his opening.
He was always dangerous.
Two minutes left in the fight.
No one gave him a chance.
Slapped on that triangle.
bryan callen
Bitch!
joe rogan
He's incredible.
It ain't over yet, bitch!
unidentified
I was watching.
bryan callen
I was watching it with my father.
My father was like, this guy's not good.
And I said, he's been a champion for 10 years.
I go, do not count him out.
Do not count him out.
joe rogan
He's special.
He might have lost every fucking round up until that moment.
But he saw the moment and he fucking slapped that bitch up.
unidentified
Is there going to be a rematch?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I hope so.
Either that.
Well, I know that Chael Sonnen wants to fight Anderson Silva again.
But I also know that Vitor...
Vitor is going to fight Yushin Okami.
That's like the next fight that just been announced.
So if Vitor's going to fight Yushin Okami, that means Vitor's not going to fight Anderson, which means I think they're probably setting up an Anderson-Chael Sonnen rematch.
I don't know the official word yet, though.
But look, man, why not make the money?
The money's here.
Everybody wants to see it.
Yeah, I agree.
You can say, hey, Chael Sonnen, he lost fair and square.
He needs to go up.
That's all well and good.
I'd like to see it.
I want to see it again.
bryan callen
Because that was in some ways a draw in a lot of people's minds, right?
joe rogan
When you just have the fucking highlights from that first one and put them in a UFC ad...
Jail Sonnen taking him down.
Over and over and over and over again.
The Jail Sonnen dominated for four rounds.
Until getting caught in this triangle, he vows to never let it happen again.
And then you have Anderson.
He stuck it in Portuguese.
bryan callen
And for some reason you just have me slide by like this.
With a thumbs up and no shirt on.
With my average body.
joe rogan
The Old Spice guy.
Do you ever feel like that Old Spice commercial?
Like somebody might have saw your act?
bryan callen
Somebody...
I've had a lot of people tell me that.
joe rogan
Dude, I watched that.
I watched that and I was like, somebody saw Brian Callen's act.
This is weird.
There it is.
Like, that stuff that you see in the old Spice commercial was really funny.
I mean, we're not accusing.
It's very possible they came up with it on their own.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's very possible they saw your comic.
bryan callen
I never worry about it.
I just figure as a comic, you've got to just keep inventing, man.
Keep inventing.
joe rogan
You get too attached to one thing.
Your persona, though, is far more intense and sexual than that guy's persona.
What Brian does is a lot of very similar type stuff on stage to what that guy does, but much more surreal and fucked up and sexual.
unidentified
And like...
joe rogan
To the point where it makes you uncomfortable sometimes.
Very, very funny shit.
unidentified
Keeping on YouTube?
joe rogan
It just felt like it was very influenced.
bryan callen
You gotta see a live there.
The stuff I'm doing now has been, I don't know, it's been very satisfying.
Because I notice that the audience goes with me if I commit to it.
So I always just go, this is what I think is funny.
unidentified
Whatever.
bryan callen
I had a bunch of military dudes.
Sometimes I like this to be really obnoxious because I walk up, like I walk up, I think I was in San Antonio, it was a bunch of military guys, maybe macho, you know, tough guys.
And I was like, I walk up and I go, I was wearing this tight American apparel shirt.
Guys, first of all, I want to apologize for my body.
Sorry about being so shredded.
I know, I know, my back looks like a barrel of snakes.
Whatever, let's move on, you know.
And I was just completely...
I kept apologizing for my body.
I kept apologizing for how vast I'm.
I'm 170 pounds.
Regular dude.
And these guys were all just...
I think sometimes I have so much fun being completely either totally absurd or just doing what I just think is funny.
And they get it.
People always seem to get it if you commit to it.
It's when you apologize that I think they sense you're lying.
But I'm not lying.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just got to be what you think is funny.
You know, Brian is a very, he's got a very unique sense of humor, and one of the funniest things that I've ever seen anybody do, we were in a hotel, and there's a video of it, I'll get Eddie Bravo to Twitter the video, put it online, but there's a video, do you know what the video's called on YouTube?
bryan callen
I don't know what it's called, but...
joe rogan
I wish I knew, ladies and gentlemen.
I will find out later.
But it's like, if you look up gay jiu-jitsu porno or something like that.
bryan callen
Kung fu porno.
joe rogan
What it was, was he started doing this character.
We were just hanging out in this hotel room.
It was a weekend of the UFC, like a long time ago.
And Brian just starts doing this character about a jiu-jitsu guy who fucks dudes when he holds them down.
And it was literally funny to the point where I couldn't breathe.
bryan callen
You were dying.
You fell off the bed.
joe rogan
We couldn't breathe.
Literally, if I had to look back on one of the funniest things I've ever seen, if I had to vote for the funniest things in my entire life as a human that I've ever seen, I think you win.
I think that might have been the funniest thing I've ever seen ever.
We were so high, though.
Oh, my God.
We were so high.
This was when I was first really getting in the pot, too.
bryan callen
How long have you been smoking weed?
How many years has it been now?
joe rogan
Now it's been, what is it, 2010?
Now I think it's about 9 years, 10 years.
bryan callen
10 years?
joe rogan
Is it 9 or 10?
I know I was getting high when 9-11 happened.
I was already getting high.
Yeah, because I wrote about smoking.
bryan callen
The first 30 years of your life, you never did anything.
joe rogan
I thought that all drugs were bad for you.
I thought that all drugs just made you a loser, and I was always terrified of being a loser.
That was the one thing that I was scared of more than anything.
I grew up in this...
It's a situation where Boston is a very harsh town.
And I did not have a fucking clue as to what I wanted to do for a living.
And everybody around me seemed to know.
Everybody was going to college.
I didn't want to go to college.
I was like, what am I going to college for?
I'm going to college just so people don't think I'm a loser.
unidentified
I have no idea what I want to do.
bryan callen
Why is it that you can go to bars in Long Island or Brooklyn or in Boston and get in a fight so easily in Philly, so easily.
You can walk in with the wrong hat and get in a fight.
Whereas in the Pacific Northwest, like Seattle or whether it's in San Francisco or even L.A., it's not the same thing, man.
joe rogan
People are way cooler.
bryan callen
People are a lot more mellow.
joe rogan
Yeah, way more mellow than on the East Coast.
You spend much time on the East Coast, Brian?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You spend much time on the East Coast?
brian redban
Yeah, I mean, well, for Ohio, that was where we would go for vacations or weekends.
bryan callen
That's a little bit more Midwest.
joe rogan
Did you notice the East Coast people being aggressive?
brian redban
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely more drunks and fights, especially New York.
joe rogan
There's also a thing about the East Coast, though.
There's no bullshit clause that you have to adhere to.
bryan callen
There's definitely no bullshit clause, man.
joe rogan
That you don't get out here.
Out here, bullshit just breeds and runs rampant and fucking feeds.
unidentified
Right, right.
bryan callen
Well, because, you know, it's what Sam Shepard, the great writer, wrote about it.
He said, why do you have all your characters, a lot of your characters in California, around California, the L.A. area?
He said, because this is a place people come to to reinvent themselves.
It's a place where people have no roots or they don't want to talk about their roots.
And so it gave them a chance to create these characters that were playing a character, you know, that they were basically lying, you know?
I guess that's part of it.
I think a lot of times when you come from Boston or New York, you're cast in a role.
You play a certain role.
You're given your attitudes.
You're given what to believe in.
You're given how to behave as a man.
There are strong, resilient lines to that and don't step out of them.
And whereas when you're in LA, there aren't as many people looking.
You know, a lot of people come here from somewhere, so they're not sort of held down by that tradition.
joe rogan
Right, you're not born into a system.
bryan callen
You're not born into a system.
joe rogan
Yeah, neighborhood system especially, right?
bryan callen
Man, a neighborhood system is very powerful.
joe rogan
Very powerful.
bryan callen
It's very hard to get out of.
You don't get out of it unless you physically move out of it.
A lot of times.
joe rogan
What's really fascinating is when people start fucking other dudes' wives.
That shit's fascinating.
bryan callen
You call it fascinating, I call it a turn-on.
unidentified
In front of you?
joe rogan
No, dude.
There's some humans that I know, some civilians, non-actor types, that are, you know, having...
Intramarital dalliances with next-door neighbors' wives.
bryan callen
There's a lot of that swing that goes on and stuff.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people doing it on a sneak tip, too.
And I'm like, hey, listen, I don't want to hear about you in the fucking news.
I don't want to hear about your murder-suicide.
Maybe stop fucking your friend's wife.
bryan callen
Can you not do it in your neighborhood, like next-door?
joe rogan
Don't you know that guy?
Isn't he your buddy?
Don't you say hi to him?
bryan callen
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
You've had that guy over for a barbecue, right?
You did, right?
Yeah, and you're fucking his wife?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What?
bryan callen
I haven't seen that actually.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
Maybe I'm naive.
joe rogan
People are freaks.
bryan callen
There's a lot of that going on.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people wanting to distract themselves from this crazy world.
They want to fuck.
They just want to scratch that itch.
bryan callen
Fucking so dirty.
joe rogan
They might as well be fucking playing Dungeons and Dragons or sticking Q-tips in their ears.
bryan callen
I don't have time to fuck.
I'm too busy asking the big questions.
joe rogan
What's that?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Distractions.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no big question.
unidentified
Something crazy happened to me at Fuddruckers the other day.
joe rogan
Yeah, tell me about that story.
unidentified
So I'm in Burbank, Fuddruckers, and I'm eating.
brian redban
My girlfriend's across from me, and I see her staring kind of weird off to the side of me.
unidentified
I'm like, what's she looking at?
Whatever.
brian redban
And then suddenly she stands up and taps this table that's behind me, that taps this guy on the shoulder, and screams...
unidentified
This man's trying to steal your purse!
brian redban
And points to this other guy that's sitting on the other side of me.
unidentified
And he stands up and he goes, I did not try to steal it!
No, you're mistaking it!
And next thing I know, he runs out.
And I'm like, what the fuck just happened?
brian redban
And what supposedly happened is this guy comes in.
Indian guy, which is even weirder.
He sits down and then he takes his duffel bag and he pulls out a coat and puts it on this woman's purse that was on the floor.
And then he was starting to scoop it up into his duffel bag.
But stupid me runs out of Fuddruckers and chases the guy.
And I'm like halfway down the street going, why the fuck am I chasing after this guy?
unidentified
He didn't even have the purse.
Why am I running after him?
Instinct.
Yeah, and there was a car, getaway car.
brian redban
He jumps in the getaway car and takes off.
unidentified
And the car was like a brand new car.
It was like a brand new monster.
bryan callen
It's called Prey Drive.
joe rogan
Do you think that you would have done that if your girl wasn't there?
brian redban
No, I think if he wasn't Indian, I would not have done that.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
I think the fact that if he was Indian, I'm like, oh, it's Indian.
bryan callen
He can't hurt me.
joe rogan
In other words, what does that mean?
unidentified
I don't know.
bryan callen
Are you crazy?
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
You don't think an Indian guy could beat your ass?
unidentified
You know what?
bryan callen
That accent's really hard to sound intimidating.
Don't fuck around.
I'll give you a tight smack.
unidentified
It really is.
bryan callen
I'm not joking.
unidentified
No, it really does nothing for me.
joe rogan
It's really too bad that that's a hack accent because it really is a fun one.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Indian accent's a fun one.
bryan callen
You can't, you know, but that's not...
joe rogan
And, you know, any jihad accent, those are hacking down too.
bryan callen
I'll give you a tight smack.
unidentified
I'm not joking.
bryan callen
Don't fuck around with me.
joe rogan
It's very offensive, though, that you find that funny.
That's just how they're communicating.
bryan callen
Yes, it is, and I apologize.
Although, it'd be funny to see a Hindu cop.
If you had one in Boston, nobody would stop.
joe rogan
Freeze!
Is that racist, to make fun of them behaving like that?
bryan callen
No!
It's a mannerism.
Look, I have a lot of respect for any culture, but I think Hindi is you hold your tongue in a certain way, and when you learn English, that's how some of them speak.
However, a lot of, you know, India was a British colony, so a lot of them will speak sort of with an English accent, sort of a combination.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've heard that too.
It is fascinating.
There's a couple of different accents coming over there.
It's fascinating to think that the whole world, like basically like 150 years ago, was equal to like the population of India.
bryan callen
That's right.
The whole world was like a billion.
There are more than a billion people now in India.
India is becoming a huge powerhouse.
It's such a vast area.
joe rogan
There was an episode of Anthony Bourdain's show.
You ever watch that show?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No Reservations?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
One of my favorite shows.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I love it.
It's fun.
He's really cool.
He's this guy who's a chef, and he apparently was just a wild punk rocker type chef, and he Did a lot of drugs and wrote books about the crazy world of chef lives and chefs are all getting fucked up after shows or after their shifts.
Yeah, and it's just really hilarious stuff.
And he goes all around the world eating in these really cool places and everywhere.
bryan callen
I'd love to do that, actually.
I love food.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you've got to watch this show.
I completely forgot what we were talking about.
What were we talking about?
bryan callen
Yeah.
unidentified
Buttholes.
joe rogan
No.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
India accents.
bryan callen
India.
And how vast it's becoming.
joe rogan
So he went over there and was in India and went on a set of one of these dudes doing those India fucking action movies.
How many movies did they film over there?
bryan callen
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
They film insane amounts of movies.
bryan callen
They make something like five times as many as Hollywood or something like that.
It's really...
India's come such a long way.
In 1975, maybe even in the early 80s, India couldn't feed itself.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
India couldn't feed itself.
Now India is a huge exporter of grain and rice and a lot of other goods.
joe rogan
Customer service.
bryan callen
India is going to become...
India is going to become, because it's such a decentralized, it's actually, it's because its government is so ineffective, you could make the argument that India is becoming a huge economic powerhouse.
joe rogan
Don't figure that out while you're talking about India.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
That's disrespectful.
unidentified
Continue, continue.
joe rogan
Mother India, don't be fingering that thing.
bryan callen
Every time I think about India, he's fingering this.
joe rogan
Now I can't figure it out.
That one's off the flashlight.
That's yours now.
unidentified
She's the Indian pussy.
joe rogan
That's yours.
You got that one.
That's all yours.
Speaking of India and countries in America, Brian, play that fucking crazy Glenn Beck thing.
I am starting to get concerned.
unidentified
Did you email it to me?
joe rogan
Yes, I emailed it to you.
bryan callen
I want to hear it.
joe rogan
This is what I'm getting concerned about.
I'm getting concerned about this tag team fucking duo of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin because now they're combining their retard superpowers and they have even more dummies that are into what they're saying.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Dude, there was a giant Glenn Beck rally on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.
You've got to see this.
If you haven't seen this, you've got to watch this on YouTube.
It's Glenn Beck.
He's pandering at its finest, and he's doing it in front of, it looks like a million white people.
And they're saying it's only 100,000.
I call it bullshit.
They're trying to downplay this, because they're worried about this motherfucker taking over the world, okay?
Because the retards are showing up in millions for this dude.
This dude's got it locked up.
He's picked up the full retard vibration.
He knows exactly what they want to hear.
He's playing them.
White people are going crazy.
White people are acting like their minorities.
bryan callen
Is this a Glenn Beck rally?
joe rogan
Yes.
White people are trying to take back the world.
Watch this.
Look at this.
unidentified
Something that is beyond man is happening.
America today begins to turn back to God.
joe rogan
Okay, that motherfucker should be doing tricks right now and handing out a hat, okay?
He's putting on a fucking show.
bryan callen
He was a stand-up comic, by the way.
joe rogan
Yes, he was, and a terrible one.
unidentified
He's a genius, though, for retard control.
bryan callen
He pauses, he looks down, he cries.
joe rogan
There's nothing scarier than dumb people that sound smart.
bryan callen
He's a sharp profile.
joe rogan
A sharp-talking dumb dude.
He's a dangerous motherfucker.
You know, people are downplaying this guy.
This guy is starting to learn how much power he has.
And it's growing and growing and growing.
And his power base, as dumb as he is, as crazy as he is, as much sponsors pull off of his show because he says that Obama's a racist, that guy's getting more and more people into it.
bryan callen
That's why you've got to be very careful of anybody.
joe rogan
Now play the Palin one.
Because this is fucking bananas, too.
unidentified
Bananas!
joe rogan
There's a thing that's going on in this country where people are happy to be dumb.
bryan callen
Well, it's fear-based, not thought-based, right?
joe rogan
It's fear-based, it's not thought-based, and they also want a low bar.
They enjoy this low bar.
unidentified
That's the same one.
A dad!
bryan callen
I wanted to have a dad.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
Fast forward it for a couple of steps, and he brings up Sarah Palin.
unidentified
Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
And she's speaking to you today as a mother of someone in the military.
Ladies and gentlemen, Sarah Palin!
joe rogan
This is terrifying.
This is the chapter in the book where shit gets crazy.
This is where the earth starts to fucking eat itself This is like our fall of Rome This is the Wagnerian music.
This is our fall of Rome.
Really dumb people are trying to hijack the country.
unidentified
Thank you so much!
Thank you!
Are you not so proud to be an American?
What an honor.
What an honor.
We stand today at the symbolic crossroads of our nation's history.
And all around us are monuments to those who have sustained us over the years in word or deed.
There in the distance stands the monument to the father of our country.
And behind me, the towering presence of the great emancipator.
joe rogan
There's a billion white people out there.
Look at all those white people.
There's probably one black guy and he's just crying because he's so happy there's so many white people around him because he loves white people.
unidentified
And over these grounds where we are so honored to stand today...
joe rogan
Oh, shut it off.
unidentified
Shut it off.
joe rogan
I can't take it.
I can't take it.
bryan callen
She's not a good speaker either.
joe rogan
I can't take it.
She's terrifying, man.
That bitch is frightening the fuck out of me.
Her and him together.
bryan callen
Because I believe when I look at Sarah Palin, I never even see a platform.
I don't see a philosophy.
I see ambition.
That's all I see.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
bryan callen
Ambition for power.
joe rogan
That's scary to me, man.
That scares the fucking shit out of me.
bryan callen
History's littered with demigods who ended up doing terrible things.
In the name of what?
Our team and the truth.
joe rogan
And the truth with a capital T. And we all have this desire to have someone lead us.
We all have this feeling where we need someone who's smarter and wiser, who represents us.
And when you're really fucking dumb, the problem is really dumb people, they get a say in everything too.
And they're subject to a lot of tricks.
They're subject to nationalism.
They're subject to these kind of ridiculous rah-rah-rah America speeches that don't say jack shit.
They say nothing.
It's all just this cheerleading fucking event.
And they're subject to it.
bryan callen
My team versus your team.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can't help it.
They're dumb.
They don't know they're being bullshitted.
They grew up around dumb people.
They go to work with dumb people.
There's no one in their family that's interesting or asks any questions at all.
And they just get sucked right into it, man.
And she seems to speak real good.
She seems like a normal person.
bryan callen
There was a scientist talking, I think it was on NPR somewhere, and he was saying that human beings are...
What is the word?
Human beings are cognitively selective, okay, naturally.
So what we'll do is when we have – we already have a point of view based on our childhood, based on our experiences, and we have a strong point of view.
And what happens is we're listening to a speech or we're listening to a philosopher or reading a book.
We'll cherry-pick only the facts that support and bolster our argument.
And one of the difficult things to do as you get older, and I think that's very important to do – Is to always step back and take a look at the flaws in your own argument and the flaws of your own philosophy and the paradigm that you carry around with you.
Because that's how you grow.
Take a look, a critical and honest look at yourself all the time.
That's my favorite thing about you.
You've always been so ridiculously critical and honest with yourself.
Not critical, but just always very honest, always reassessing.
I've always seen that with you.
joe rogan
You can make mistakes, man.
You can make mistakes because of emotions.
You can make mistakes because of insecurities.
bryan callen
It's huge.
It's very powerful to look at other people and go, you know what?
I fucked up.
unidentified
I fucked up.
bryan callen
I'm sorry.
I fucked up.
You never look bad when you're honest and vulnerable.
joe rogan
If you're a wild person, like I know you are, and I've been subject to being a...
I'm not very good at normal life.
You're living like a wild person.
Basically, a comic does whatever the fuck they want, man.
You're living as a professional comic.
You know, and everybody else is connected to some sort of a grid, and you're living wild and crazy, you're liable to do some crazy shit.
You're liable to find yourself in some weird situations, a little too drunk, a little too naughty.
unidentified
Many in time when nobody watching for a man is a bad situation.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
bryan callen
Hey, look, I got all this cash, nobody's looking, and I'm in Vegas!
joe rogan
You can be nuts.
You can make mistakes, you know?
It's so easy to make mistakes.
bryan callen
Well, there's this Zen poet that wrote a really cool poetic book called One Continuous Mistake, and that's what she calls life.
Life is one continuous mistake.
joe rogan
Well, it is.
It's like Jiu-Jitsu.
You start out, you get tapped all the time, and eventually you get a little bit better at not getting tapped.
Eventually you start tapping people, but there's always going to be more.
It never ends.
It doesn't go away.
It just gets bigger and bigger and crazier and crazier.
It doesn't end.
bryan callen
Do you ever surf, by the way?
joe rogan
No, but I went boogie boarding in Hawaii and it was fucking awesome.
I did not think it would be so viscerally satisfying.
bryan callen
I was just in France for nine days in the south of France called Biarritz.
Don't worry about it.
My buddy made a fortune in the banking industry.
joe rogan
You say this, it makes me so attracted to you.
bryan callen
I know.
The point is that I look, number one, great in a wetsuit, but I took lessons from the current French national champion.
God!
Third day, he had me on a wave.
I surfed five waves.
I was like, this is the greatest experience of my life.
A huge part of catching waves, a huge part of being a great surfer, is understanding exactly how to read the ocean.
It's being able to catch the wave.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
And the right wave.
And that takes literally so much.
It takes rhythm.
It takes patience.
It takes strength.
I'm glad I didn't start surfing when I was younger because I would have been out there now with no resume and a guy who could surf tubes because that is addictive, man.
joe rogan
Dude, don't tell me about it.
I'm terrified.
Oh, my God.
You know, that's what everybody does.
bryan callen
Really?
What a surprise!
joe rogan
That's what they do.
I mean, surfer culture is connected so deep with weed.
bryan callen
Have you seen riding giants?
No.
joe rogan
What is that?
bryan callen
I can't believe you haven't seen riding giants.
joe rogan
What is it?
bryan callen
Can you just put it up on YouTube?
Well, it's Laird Hamilton.
They surfed high waves.
joe rogan
Oh, I did see that.
bryan callen
Waves that are six to nine stories high.
joe rogan
Mexico, right?
bryan callen
All over the world.
They go in the middle of the ocean.
joe rogan
I didn't understand how crazy this was until I went to Hawaii and did boogie boarding.
bryan callen
Dude, the waves, when they surf giants, they move at 35 miles an hour, so you have to be tired.
Oh my god!
If you fall, there at Hamilton, he was riding, and they said, if he had fallen that wave, there's a 50% chance he would have just died.
You don't come up, because when you fall, there's another wave that's six stories high behind you, waiting to hit you again, and you then sent 100 yards into the ocean.
joe rogan
Oh my god, and they don't even have life vests on.
bryan callen
Life vests?
joe rogan
Oh my god!
unidentified
You better either surf that tube, or you die, America!
joe rogan
Let's find out they did have life vests, did they?
bryan callen
No, they didn't.
joe rogan
They definitely didn't.
Oh my gosh!
bryan callen
You can't have a life vest because then you can't dive under the water and be saved.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
bryan callen
Riding giants.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
You can't have a life vest.
The fucking waves are 90 feet high.
They do.
bryan callen
No, they don't.
No, they don't.
unidentified
They're doing this video.
bryan callen
You're not allowed to wear a light...
Those are the guys on the jet skis, not the guys surfing.
unidentified
Is that a life vest?
bryan callen
No, that's not a life vest, dude.
You know what that is?
unidentified
What is that?
bryan callen
That's a pad for when they hit the ground, they don't get the wind knocked out of them and then...
joe rogan
Go to sleep.
bryan callen
Go to sleep.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of dudes get paralyzed, man.
bryan callen
That's Larry Hamilton right there, surfing a wave.
joe rogan
You've got to talk into the microphone.
bryan callen
That's Laird Hamilton surfing a wave that if he had fallen, he wouldn't have made it.
joe rogan
Okay, and the video is entitled Riding Giants.
You can find it on YouTube.
Oh my God.
bryan callen
It's Laird Hamilton.
joe rogan
It actually said, oh my God.
That's hilarious.
bryan callen
And this guy's the first big rider.
joe rogan
There was a Hurricane 5 or something in Hawaii, and he went out on the Until you go into the water just to swim, all this is very abstract.
You don't realize the power of the ocean.
I know a lot of people that have never swam in the ocean before.
You ever get caught in a wave or in a tide where you get pulled back?
That's scary as fuck, man.
bryan callen
Oh my god, the ocean's so strong.
joe rogan
Dude, that is scary as fuck when you get caught in a tide.
bryan callen
Fishermen and those guys never lose their respect for the ocean.
Never, ever.
It's like if you surf in that crab fishing, if you fall in that water, you've got about five minutes before hypothermia and you die.
brian redban
Why don't they have a cord in a helicopter?
Rent a helicopter to follow you around with a safety cord just in case if you get fucked up they can pull you up.
bryan callen
Because you can't do that.
Because the thing about surfing, when you're surfing waves that are six stories high, is you have to have the ability to dive under the water.
If you tried to be just a helicopter or a thing to hold you there and you got caught in that wave, first of all, it would break the cord or it would rip you in half.
That wave, those waves, when you get caught in those waves, if you're unlucky enough, you'll get sent underwater 20 feet and thrown a football field.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
bryan callen
Listen to what he said.
joe rogan
Thrown a football field.
A football field underwater flying at 30 miles an hour.
bryan callen
Yeah, you're in a washing machine.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Oh, what's that?
A boulder.
There's your head, stupid.
That's it.
That's a wrap, son.
bryan callen
Hey, guys die.
joe rogan
Dead.
Forever.
Oh, they die all the time, man.
bryan callen
This one dude off of San Francisco would paddle out a half a mile.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bryan callen
And there were sharks.
He'd have a wetsuit.
And there was a wave that was...
joe rogan
They breed up there.
That's where the sharks breed.
bryan callen
For 15 years, he surfed that alone in an early morning and an early evening.
And would surf waves that were literally six stories, eight stories high.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bryan callen
And the first day, Surfer Magazine brought a bunch of the best surfers out there.
One guy died.
joe rogan
San Francisco has waves that high?
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Really?
bryan callen
There's a break where the waves are tidal waves.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
Tidal waves.
joe rogan
Is it only in the winter?
bryan callen
I can't believe you haven't seen this movie.
joe rogan
I'm terrified.
I'm terrified of getting...
bryan callen
Dude, riding giants.
joe rogan
There's two things that I've always been terrified of.
Golf and surfing.
bryan callen
Ah, man.
I know.
joe rogan
When I had my problem with pool, where I was playing pool eight to ten hours a day, it was a massive obsession, but it was also fun as fuck.
There's something really rewarding about getting good at pool.
I never got to a professional level, but I got decent where I could run out if I had an open shot.
bryan callen
You were good.
joe rogan
When I was playing eight to ten hours a day, You get these crazy rewards for figuring out racks.
It's really like we're little junkies for some chemical that you get when you run out.
It's a difficult thing to do, so you get this weird, like, I figured it out reward.
Like you're figuring out life.
Meanwhile, you're just stuck in a room knocking balls into a hole like a retard.
But your brain is being flooded with this reward chemical.
And it gives you the ability to solve problems and use patience.
And try to come up with creative solutions.
Even though it seems to be just like balls on a table with six holes, what it really is is you've got to be creative in solving solutions and be rational in how you do it and control the ball.
It's very, very, very addictive.
But I know golf is too, so I've been terrified of golf.
Because everybody I know that's smart, they get into it.
They knock a ball.
It's exciting.
It's fun.
It's so rewarding.
I'm like, no, no, no.
bryan callen
My father takes lessons.
He goes to camps.
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
bryan callen
He's nuts.
joe rogan
And golf apparently is way more popular than pool.
So if that's the case, then it's got to be even more rewarding.
It doesn't make sense, right?
bryan callen
No doubt.
You're outside.
First of all, the setting.
All you're doing is swinging.
Just swing the club.
joe rogan
That's what cigars are all about, too.
Cigars are all about two things.
When you're lounging after you had a big fat steak, or if you're out with just a bunch of dudes and you know there's no chicks.
unidentified
Or if you want to stink up a restaurant.
joe rogan
I'm going to enjoy this.
I'm going to knock this ball around.
I'm going to talk some shit.
I'm going to tell you about this porno that I jacked off to the other day.
bryan callen
I can say everything I want.
I can say everything I want.
joe rogan
When you get married, especially if you're a civilian, if you get married and you have kids and you're at home all day or after you get off work, you're at work all day, you have to adhere to one code, then you get home and you have to adhere to another code because you're not allowed to swear on the baby, you don't get much chance to cut loose and tell pussy stories.
I can tell stinky pussy stories from high school.
bryan callen
Smell my finger.
I remember that.
unidentified
Dude, dude, dude.
bryan callen
Smell this.
joe rogan
How many guys have told you stinky pussy stories and you've been captivated like it was a goddamn Stephen King book?
Because we've all had these stories.
Eddie Bravo has the best one.
He was having sex with a girl and she had...
A yeast infection and her feet smelled at the same time.
And he was having sex with her in a truck.
He was like fucking her in an SUV. And he had to open up the window and stick his head out.
It's hilarious.
And he tells it.
It's brilliant.
unidentified
I think he actually told it in one of the podcasts.
One of the past ones.
Did he?
bryan callen
You know what's funny?
joe rogan
He told him I don't be in Anthony.
bryan callen
I've been in those situations where it's been...
To use Jim Norton's joke, it smelled like an open grave.
Literally, I was like...
I was like...
joe rogan
Which is the best way to describe it, too.
bryan callen
It was an open grave.
I've been in a situation where I've been like, this is the worst smell I've ever...
unidentified
It's worse than shit.
bryan callen
I might catch a disease, and guess what?
I keep going.
That's what a mess I am.
joe rogan
It smells worse than shit.
bryan callen
Girls will be like, oh my god.
I'm like, whatever.
Someone took a shit in the toilet.
joe rogan
The worst is when a girl doesn't...
She doesn't...
brian redban
This girl I know had a really stinky pussy and I would know I was going to eat her pussy out.
unidentified
I still wanted to do it.
brian redban
So I just gargled before I did and kept a little gargle in my mouth and just kind of spit it on her pussy.
unidentified
God!
bryan callen
You just spit Lysol on her pussy!
joe rogan
Actually, it's kind of genius.
bryan callen
Why is it so tingly?
unidentified
Chemicals are wet, too.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus!
unidentified
It's minty, it's delicious.
joe rogan
It just probably smelled like shit with Listerine.
bryan callen
And then the Listerine burns the shit out of your aletra.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
Probably killed their chances of having babies.
unidentified
No cavities, either.
bryan callen
I'm allergic to a spermicide on condoms, man.
unidentified
Really?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does it do to your dick?
bryan callen
I've worn a condom since the 80s, but the point is...
joe rogan
I saw one once and I broke out in the hives.
bryan callen
Dude, I get that.
That detergent gets in my pee hole.
Holy shit, man.
unidentified
I'm done.
bryan callen
I'm peeing for the next fucking...
Maybe that's gonorrhea.
Anyway...
No, but I mean for real, man.
I'm allergic to that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
There's a lot of goddamn chemicals that aren't good for your system.
bryan callen
Well, we're exposed to so many different chemicals all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, what do you think about fluoride in the water?
Is that all bullshit?
bryan callen
I think it's all bullshit.
joe rogan
What do you think?
You think fluoride's healthy to be drinking?
bryan callen
I think it's been around for 40, 50 years, and we've had a pretty good control group, judging from what we've seen.
And, nah, I don't think it's...
joe rogan
You don't think it has any effect?
bryan callen
I don't think any of these things have an effect until they are combined with.
I think what happens with the human body is we get exposed by countless chemicals, and who knows what they're like in combination.
Hydrogen and oxygen, if you put them together in the right combination, they form water.
It's the same thing with anything.
joe rogan
Cigarettes and birth control can be deadly.
Truly, people die.
Girls die if they are smoking cigarettes and they take birth control.
bryan callen
Because they get blood clots.
They can go into stroke.
joe rogan
It's terrifying.
bryan callen
And so for me, that's always what it is.
It's a question of what are we being exposed to?
What is the umbrella of chemicals?
When is that happening?
And all that stuff.
What are the windows for it?
It's complicated.
joe rogan
It's very complicated.
bryan callen
The body, what I've found is I've always been really into health and I've always been really into especially keeping my energy where I need it.
And as I got older, I would always take different things, like I'd try supplements, I'd try this, and more protein.
And what I find actually, for me, is if I get enough sleep and then I eat just enough, your stomach is the size of a softball, you know, the adult stomach.
The adult male stomach is the size of a softball.
If I eat, you know, like just controlling my portions and eating good, real food, as long as I get enough sleep sometimes, that's all I need, just personally, for me.
You know, it's just a question of...
I can't remember what the hell we were even talking about.
joe rogan
He got to stone.
unidentified
You were talking about going...
That's exactly why.
joe rogan
You went on a tangent.
That's what happened.
brian redban
You were talking about if you go to the Applebee's, just use your palm of your thumb.
unidentified
If you could fit the food on there, just eat that.
bryan callen
That's all you need.
joe rogan
That is true.
I always feel better when I have small meals throughout the day.
I don't feel as lethargic, but I'm a glutton.
And I will sit down and eat immense portions of food.
unidentified
I've been eating a lot of steak lately, like all day.
joe rogan
Tell me about it.
When I work out, if I do kettlebells or if I do jiu-jitsu, I just come home and eat steak.
It's pretty bad for you, right?
bryan callen
No, it's not.
Meat's not bad for you at all.
There's no evidence.
joe rogan
I don't think meat is bad for you.
I think meat is bad for you if you don't exercise.
bryan callen
I think meat's bad for you if you don't also eat vegetables and things like that, maybe.
joe rogan
But I think, you know, there's another thing that I read in this silly quote that I'm going to give you that I don't know if I could back up.
It was in the same book about all people over 100 that lived to be over 100, almost all of them were red meat eaters.
bryan callen
Well, that's actually, if you go to TED.com and the guy who studied the six blue zones in the world where people live well over 100 years old, and one is in Sardinia, the other is in Okinawa, the other is actually the Seventh-day Adventists who live out in Montana, and he just took a look at these six different blue zones.
What's the common thread?
All of them ate meat, actually.
unidentified
Fish.
bryan callen
And all of them, there are a couple of other things that they do, but the other thing is a lot of them eat fermented things like yogurt and stuff like that.
joe rogan
That's very important.
bryan callen
And in their culture, they also all have something to live for.
They all have a reason they get up every morning.
joe rogan
And a religious reason?
bryan callen
Oh no, I'm sorry.
The other major thing that he found had nothing to do with religion.
It had to do with how connected those communities were.
Connection they find when people have strong bonded communities in villages and things like that where they take care of each other and where even if somebody doesn't do as well, if there's a cultural sort of notion that it doesn't matter, you take care of that person, you make them feel safe.
Those are the longest lived people.
And in the book The Outliers where he looks at this place called Rosetta, which was this village in Italy called Rosetta, founded this – in the foothills of Pennsylvania, they created this community, built churches and they would all move from the marble quarries and move there and there was a marble quarry close to there. built churches and they would all move from the marble So this town Rosetta.
So this doctor went there to do this convention and he was talking to another doctor who had been practicing in Rosetta for a long time and this was in 1961.
And he said, you know, I got to tell you, These people cook with lard.
A lot of them are overweight.
They all come from the same part of Italy, and none of them die of heart disease.
They die of old age.
They went, that's weird because heart disease right now is an epidemic in our country.
So let's go study it.
So he took a bunch of people, and they were studying it.
They were like, maybe they come from a really hearty stock.
But the problem was the people that would move out of that town and go to another town would die of heart disease.
So he's like, that doesn't – so it's not a genetic hearty stock, although people there live long – What is it?
They're not even cooking with olive oil anymore.
They're cooking with lard.
And they do exercise, but they don't exercise as much.
And what they found was that they had a really, really strong community.
And that they all had this incredible support system.
So if somebody didn't make as much money or was a little slow, they still felt loved.
And when they would go to these medical conventions, they started trying to talk about health in terms of community.
In other words, human beings, yeah, you need to control your cholesterol and your fat and there's a science behind it.
There's also what is obviously very important for human beings for longevity is connection, feeling connected, feeling like they have connection and that they're loved.
joe rogan
It's like Avatar, bro.
bryan callen
Yes, it is.
And I'm a Na'vi!
brian redban
I think it's just because they're so happy they get to fuck Asian women.
So that's why in all these different places, the hottest women, the happiness.
bryan callen
You like Asian women?
unidentified
Yes.
A lot of Asian.
joe rogan
That's a terrible theory, bro.
unidentified
Actually, I believe it's just lean fish.
Don't you?
joe rogan
I think health definitely has something to do with it.
Diet has something to do with it.
In Italians, a lot of parts of Italy, they eat a lot of seafood, a lot of fish, a lot of fresh fish.
A lot of vegetables.
What we think of as American Italian food, like meatballs and sausages and stuff like that.
I mean, they have that in Italy, but that's not really Italian food.
A lot of Italian food is seafood.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
Like Il Grano, that place you took us to.
Brian introduced me to this really great restaurant.
bryan callen
It's in Santa Monica or West L.A.? It's in West L.A. on Purdue in Santa Monica called Il Grano.
joe rogan
Great restaurant.
The dude goes to the fish market every morning at 6 o'clock in the morning and gets what's fresh.
bryan callen
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
What's his name?
bryan callen
Sal Marino.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he has these nine course dinners.
If you got the cheddar, if you could afford this shit, son...
unidentified
Crazy expensive.
bryan callen
It's expensive.
But you know what?
unidentified
It is an experience.
joe rogan
The dude is like an artist.
The dude's an artist.
bryan callen
He's a maestro.
joe rogan
He goes to the fish market.
He prepares all the meals himself.
He's fanatical.
The dude's dedicated to it.
Comes over to the table, introduces himself, talks to you, chats to you, explains to you what each different thing is and why they're together because...
This gives you one certain kind of taste.
bryan callen
He grows, I think, 36 different kinds of tomatoes in his yard.
He's a maniac.
joe rogan
He's a nut.
unidentified
What's the name again?
bryan callen
He lives for food and lives for the details.
joe rogan
It's called Ilgrano.
Ilgrano.
I-L-G-R-A-N-O. Yeah.
bryan callen
It's on Purdue in Santa Monica, Baltimore.
joe rogan
Badass.
In West L.A. You know, that's one of the things about watching that Anthony Bourdain show.
I've always loved good restaurants, but I never really understood what was going on behind the scenes until I watched his show.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
And I was like, wow, what a fucking...
He would bring you backstage to where all the Mexicans are.
And he's like, you know, he was in New York City, and he's like, this is the backbone of all the best restaurants, all the best chefs.
He goes, they're these Mexican guys.
bryan callen
Dude, they work so hard.
joe rogan
Those guys work so hard.
Super expensive restaurants.
bryan callen
I don't know what it is in the culture, like, Mexican culture, but I really have always been so impressed with how hard these dudes work.
joe rogan
They bust their ass.
bryan callen
People are like, I am anti-immigration.
Dude, these guys work their ass off, man.
joe rogan
They're nice people too, man.
Look, Mexicans in LA, you're not going to have any more assholes in the Mexican community per capita than you would in the white community or the black community.
There's always assholes per capita.
I know a lot of cool Mexicans, man.
I love Mexican food.
I'm not really into the music.
They can keep that music.
You keep them mariachas signed.
I would have to.
I love you.
Your food is awesome.
Your people are cool as fuck.
You make the best boxers ever.
All my favorite boxers.
Julio Cesar Chavez, my number one favorite boxer of all time.
Mexican.
bryan callen
Did you ever see a movie called Amoros Peros?
joe rogan
You don't want to have that on DVD? That's one of those that I bought and never watched.
bryan callen
That's one of my favorite.
Written and directed by a Mexican guy, Guillermo something.
joe rogan
I think that fucking Passion of the Christ cured me of anything with subtitles.
bryan callen
Oh, no, dude.
You've got to see it.
joe rogan
I know.
It's a great movie, I'm sure.
I saw those.
bryan callen
You'd love it, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What other movie did he do?
bryan callen
He did Pan's Labyrinth, I think.
joe rogan
Oh, that's Guillermo del Toro, then.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
Pan's Labyrinth is a badass.
bryan callen
He's a badass.
joe rogan
Although, I did not like his book, man.
I read his book, The Strain.
bryan callen
I didn't read it.
joe rogan
Oh, so disappointing, because it started out so badass.
It's a vampire book.
And it starts out where this plane lands and everyone on the plane is dead.
They've all been jacked by a vampire.
And the vampire flew in from another country and killed everyone on the plane and landed the plane.
And they couldn't communicate with the plane and they didn't know what the fuck to do.
It starts out badass.
Where you're like, whoa, where's this going?
But at the end of the book, it's like, and then he killed this one and this one came out and he killed him.
It's almost like they ran it.
unidentified
Let's just finish this fucking book.
Stupid vampires on a plane.
joe rogan
I would love it if they rewrote.
I really wish they would go back and pick up where you got in like 30-40% in.
Let's try it again.
Let's try the end again.
Let's try another ending.
bryan callen
What was the movie?
What was the one movie that scared the shit out of you more than anything else?
joe rogan
The Blair Witch Project scared the fuck out of me, man.
unidentified
When it first came out?
joe rogan
Twice.
Two times.
Two times.
The first time it scared me is because me and Chris McGuire went to go see it in Houston, Texas.
We were performing at the Laugh Stop, and these dudes who worked across the street at the movie theater came over to the show, and this was pre-fear factor.
I was on news radio.
Very few people really knew who I was, but I had a good following in Texas for some strange reason.
And these guys came over after the show and go, hey, man, you want to go watch the Blair Witch Project?
We work at the movie theater.
We'll turn it on.
We'll all go hang out there.
And we're like, fuck it.
Yeah, let's go.
So me and Chris McGuire go across the street with these two dudes and this dude's girlfriend and watch the Blair Witch Project at 2 o'clock in the morning on a Saturday night after the midnight show.
And it was fucking scary, man.
Because first of all, it was scary because I didn't know what this movie was about.
I didn't know if it was a hoax.
I'm sensing bullshit.
I'm sensing acting.
I go, this is not real.
They're not trying to say this is real.
I knew almost nothing about it.
bryan callen
I just heard.
Dude, it was fucking...
joe rogan
Scary!
It was scary!
I mean, it was obviously...
I was laughing because I was like...
bryan callen
See, the problem is I saw that little video when everybody told me it was bullshit.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
bryan callen
You see that before?
joe rogan
That was the first time it scared me.
The second time it scared me is when I took...
I don't remember who I was dating at the time, but I took this girl to go see it with me.
And when I took her to go see it with me, as I was...
Oh, it was Jessica.
And as we were watching it, there was a dude who had his kid there.
And his kid was making so much fucking noise.
And the kid was like five or six or something like that.
And so I shushed him.
And this Mexican dude freaked the fuck out on me.
And he's like, motherfucker, don't shush my kid, motherfucker.
You know, fucking bitch.
Straight up, bitch.
I'll kick your ass, bitch.
And I'm like, oh, what are we going to deal with here?
What the fuck am I going to deal with here?
So you know what I did?
I said nothing.
I just looked at the dude and said nothing.
And I tried to think about what's going to happen here.
Is this guy going to have a gun?
What have I put myself in?
What kind of a situation am I putting myself in?
bryan callen
Worst case scenario, you have to beat him up in front of his kid, which would suck.
joe rogan
This guy was yelling at me.
So he didn't give a fuck that there's hundreds of people in this movie theater.
That's the craziest thing about L.A. You never know when you're going to run into someone who's completely out of their fucking mind.
And with his kid.
And people with their kids are crazy, man.
And this dude, I was looking at him, he's all fleshy and chubby.
I'm like, this is not like a dude who wants to fight.
It's like a dude who wants to shoot me.
You know, that's a scary thing about how many people in LA have guns.
And the type of person who will just come at you that aggressively out of nowhere, you know, when you look, really, it's his fault, okay?
If that was me and my kid was, and someone went, shh, I'd have been like, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, come on, let's go.
We gotta go, we gotta go.
We gotta take you out of here until you calm down.
But this motherfucker...
bryan callen
Not a very rational guy.
joe rogan
This motherfucker yelled at me, man.
It was like, whoa, this is not good.
So then I was scared twice by the Blair Witch Project.
LAUGHTER That's the second time.
unidentified
That is the problem.
joe rogan
Second time, much scarier.
Like, every time I thought about that movie, I thought about that dude.
bryan callen
Dude, I saw a shooting.
I was on Vermont.
I was on Vermont, literally, like, right near the town.
joe rogan
You actually saw the shooting happen?
bryan callen
I saw the shooting.
I was in traffic.
It was, like, about four in the afternoon.
And these dudes get out of the car and go, goo, goo, goo, goo, goo.
And he empties a clip, a Glock, into this other car.
Misses the car.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bryan callen
And then he stands there and looks...
I remember he had his sunglasses on the back of his head, and he stands there and looks, and he's looking like that, and he just casually, casually walks back.
And I go, holy shit.
I'm like, watch this.
I'm stuck in traffic when this happens.
I turn, and a cop is right next to me.
And I go, did you see that?
And the guy goes, what?
And I go, that guy just emptied his clip.
That car there emptied his clip into that car.
The dude had come around this way and went off.
And the guy goes like this.
The cop goes, over there?
I go, yeah.
And he goes, uh, right.
And he grabs a thing, and then the traffic's starting to move.
And I'm like, do you want to go ahead?
joe rogan
So had he not seen it?
He didn't see it.
bryan callen
And he was right next to me, and the guy emptied the clip.
But, you know, outside, it sounded like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
But, you know, you figure, is it construction?
And I turn, I see a guy emptying a gun.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
A cop should know what a goddamn gun sounds like.
bryan callen
I bet you he didn't hear it.
unidentified
He had Bluetooth on, probably.
bryan callen
His window rolled up.
You know what?
joe rogan
Yeah, especially if he's listening to the radio.
bryan callen
And it's traffic, and it's really loud.
And the dude just emptied the clip right there, and they got away.
No problem.
I kept driving, and then he kind of pulled the other way, and I was like, well, there it goes.
joe rogan
So they completely got away.
bryan callen
They completely got away.
joe rogan
How much investigation do you think is done to that?
unidentified
Zero.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
Zero.
joe rogan
They've got to file a report.
unidentified
There's too many people out here.
When I was talking about that purse thing and all the cops came, they're like, so you got the license plate number?
And I gave it to him and he goes, yeah, didn't come up with anything.
brian redban
I'm like, well, two of us, two people sell the license plate number.
unidentified
They do full list and stuff.
brian redban
You use like typing in a computer and go, all right, white Mazda.
These are all the white Mazdas matched with five of the letters or something like that.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
bryan callen
Do you know how crimes are still – They're not going to do any of that.
Do you know how the majority of crimes are still solved?
Almost all of them.
It's never CSI work.
It's confessions.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Still.
Confessions and human interaction and cops who are really good at getting people to just feel safe and saying, look, first they empathize.
joe rogan
Let's just give them ecstasy.
I bet everybody would confess.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
I'm serious.
Give prisoners ecstasy.
Just hit them up with two tabs.
bryan callen
It wouldn't stand up in court.
joe rogan
We need to change the court then.
We need to change that.
Anything that you say under ecstasy, if you're on ecstasy, you're going to tell the truth.
bryan callen
There are drugs that are better than that, though.
joe rogan
Are they?
unidentified
Way better.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they don't make you feel good.
You make someone feel good, they're more likely to tell you everything.
bryan callen
I think sodium pentothal will make you just relaxed or something.
joe rogan
If it did, then people would take it at raves.
bryan callen
Good point.
joe rogan
Who would have sodium pentothal set up at raves?
unidentified
Not stopped.
joe rogan
You're right.
Ecstasy is the shit.
bryan callen
But after I saw that shooting, I remember I was really depressed, and for three days I said to my buddy, I go, I don't know, man, I feel depressed or something ever since I saw that shooting.
And my buddy goes...
Yeah!
You're supposed to!
That's normal to feel really scared and depressed when you see someone trying to kill someone else.
joe rogan
You know, they prescribe ecstasy for people that have got post-traumatic stress disorder?
bryan callen
Makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's one of the things that they say that it's a beneficial thing.
By the way, I only took ecstasy once.
Let's just specify.
I've said this before.
bryan callen
I've taken it twice.
joe rogan
It was scary.
I would never do it again.
I did not like how I felt the next day.
The next day, I was so dumb.
I couldn't read.
I literally couldn't read.
I got a cold.
I was like, this is terrible for your body.
What I'm doing, that was not like mushrooms or anything where I got something out of it, but my body felt almost better and more energized.
You've got to go through a mushroom trip, you feel good at the end of it.
You feel a little exhausted, but you feel good physically.
You feel like you've lost a lot of stress.
unidentified
Did they used to prescribe it?
brian redban
Or they don't do it now still.
joe rogan
No!
People have done therapeutic tests using it, and there's a lot of evidence that it helps people with all sorts of things in their life, in their past, dealing with things.
What does even better is Ibogaine.
Ibogaine is this thing...
My friend Ed Clay was just telling me how it changed his life.
Ibogaine is this drug that is illegal in America, but legal in Mexico.
So a lot of people go down to Mexico to take it, and they have these Ibogaine therapy places where they're some incredibly high percentage, over 80% successful in curing people of opiate addiction with virtually no hangover.
It literally rewires your entire brain.
It's supposed to be one of the most intensely introspective experiences a human being could go through.
My friend Ed said that it was like...
He re-learned his whole life, like literally went back over things that he did when he was a child and things that his father said to him when he was young that made him today.
But graphically, in high detail, like you're watching it in a film, and brilliantly demonstrates all the areas in your life where you're behaving and acting in a certain way.
And what this addiction really is, is some sort of a whole...
In the way your mind has been wired and it almost like sets everything, resets everything, and lets everything jingle into place and you get a much better map of what your mind is and how your mind works.
And it's like hugely successful in curing people of heroin addiction.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's illegal in this country, but he said it completely changed his life.
He started thinking about his relationships with his family and all his childhood shit and just saved the way he thinks.
So he just feels so much more loving and friendly and cool and kind.
He had an air of relief about him.
It was really kind of cool.
bryan callen
That's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Illegal in America.
Why would you want to get enlightened?
We don't have room for that.
No, we got room for Big Macs.
We got no room for enlightenment.
There are a million people going to see Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin at the fucking Washington Monument on the eve of the Martin Luther King I Have a Dream speech.
We have no room for enlightenment.
We don't have any room for you here.
You can do that in Mexico if you like.
If you want to deal with the drug cartels, you know they behead people.
bryan callen
You know those guys.
unidentified
Go down there and see God.
bryan callen
You know that humanitarian bunch.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to go down there and see God?
Mexicans have been rocking it for a long time, man.
Mexicans were rocking it in mushrooms way before we figured it out.
bryan callen
Well, it's like peyote.
Joseph Campbell wrote this book about why peyote came into existence.
And when the Native Americans, the peyote Indians, were losing all their...
Land, including even their animals.
The mythology was all wrapped up in the buffalo and the animals around them.
We went through that in the 1800s when they were essentially laying in the railroad shooting all the buffalo and lacing the body with strychnine and all the other animals would eat it.
500 million animals they think probably died in the space of 20 years.
It used to look like the plains of Africa.
And when the peyotes realized that everything to their mythology, think about this, your whole mythology, everything that you based your culture on, the animals themselves are gone.
joe rogan
Wiped out in two generations.
bryan callen
Two generations.
It was 20 years.
Not two generations, it was 20 years.
And when that happens on such a drastic level, they started taking the peyote to go within their consciousness to find that nostalgia for something that's beyond themselves.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, so peyote use only started when...
bryan callen
Only started in the 1800s with the peyote Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's fascinating.
I did not know that.
That is fascinating.
bryan callen
Now, indigenous people have always taken various...
I'm sure the peyote knew about that particular...
Maybe it was just for the shaman.
joe rogan
Mexicans were...
They had shamans and they were big with cubensis mushrooms.
Thousands of years ago.
They've had those for a long human beings have always you know The most fascinating thing to me about Mexico is how they're like a thousand Mayan temples They believe that have not been discovered like they'll go digging up apartment buildings and shit in Mexico City.
They're like They're replacing something, they knock something down, and then they have to stop because they find a Mayan temple.
That's wild.
That's no bullshit, man.
That's amazing.
How crazy that is.
They have fucking Mayan temples, and they find them when they're digging up apartment buildings.
One of the most complex and bizarre cultures to ever exist.
They used to play football with human heads.
They made these incredible fucking geometric patterns for structures, yet they didn't even invent shoes.
They had complex calendars that mapped out their solar system and predicted solar and lunar eclipses.
The fucking dude, man.
And then they just disappeared.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
They disappeared because of plague?
joe rogan
They don't know.
And they know that they used to have a lot of shit written on paper, but it's very difficult to find.
The way Mayan language is written, too, it's very difficult to decipher.
Because a word to them or a symbol to them actually means a sound.
Terrence McKenna described it.
He said that if you said, like, I saw Aunt Rose...
You would have to have an eyeball, a saw, an ant, and a rose.
bryan callen
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And so that's how you would say, I saw, ant, rose.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
So it was all phonetic.
joe rogan
Yeah, so all these little different dudes, little different characters, these weird fucking things that they would draw, and they would put them all together, they all meant different sounds.
So then you had to figure out, like, okay, it means a certain word, and how does it go with this one?
bryan callen
In a way, though, you could almost say that's the same thing with...
With actually any language?
joe rogan
Yes, but it's pictures.
They're drawings.
bryan callen
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they're weird.
I mean, there's little dots and stuff.
There's certain things that they used to figure out dates.
But a lot of it is like these weird depictions.
You know, a fucking moon with an eyeball and a snake.
And, you know, these things all mean different things.
It's very strange, man.
Damn, that'd be really difficult.
They had this crazy, complex society.
Or is that a jungle for that?
Living in the jungle.
Living in the jungle.
This weird society that was mapping out the heavens.
I mean, think about that back in the 100s.
bryan callen
Sometimes I wonder, though, if that's a product of not so much a culture, but a set of circumstances.
For example, why did Socrates and Plato and Aristotle come out of Greece?
How did Greece become this hub of civilization?
Well, a lot of their stuff came from Egypt.
Well, no, not just that, but the idea was that Greece was a country that because they could export timber, olive oil, and wine, they didn't have to live on a subsistence level.
So they had three months of the year to just sit back and kind of hang out.
joe rogan
And think about things.
bryan callen
And think about things.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
So cultures that had the luxury of being able to sell or not only their merchandise or create a system where they could actually be wealthy.
unidentified
Surplus.
bryan callen
Yeah.
They had time to sit back and actually think about things.
So you probably in Mayan culture had a similar situation where four or five or six or maybe whatever geniuses were given room to flourish.
I'm sure geniuses are born all the time, but they're just not in circumstances where they can flourish or have opportunity.
And this was a culture that allowed for that.
And they came up with – it takes one great mathematician to change everybody's whole world, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, one genius.
bryan callen
It takes one genius.
joe rogan
One Tesla comes up with a hundred inventions that fix everything.
bryan callen
And gives rise to all the other scientists who piggyback on that.
joe rogan
So many people don't even realize.
If it wasn't for Nikola Tesla, we'd probably be living back like they were in the 70s.
We'd probably be a few decades behind.
I've heard that.
bryan callen
I've heard he was the great genius.
joe rogan
He's the craziest wizard ever, man.
What an insane inventor that guy was.
Yeah, I mean, there's been a bunch of guys who changed culture like that, but I wonder if that's what it was, whether it was some super group of Mayans that were super intelligent, and then eventually they died off, and the culture died off.
bryan callen
Look at the founding fathers.
I mean, the idea that those guys wrote the Constitution, a bunch of men in their 30s— That's incredible.
joe rogan
It is an incredible thing.
bryan callen
That document in the Federalist Papers, one of the great ideas of philosophy, you're talking about men in their 30s who solved the political problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, they tried to keep it together.
bryan callen
They solved politics.
joe rogan
They came here from another fucking country that sucked.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
And decided to start another country.
Start over.
bryan callen
And they solved the political problem.
They created the Constitution.
They created the greatest government.
Because you know why?
It was based on freedom.
And like you were talking about, it was based on freedom for the individual.
And it wasn't based on government bureaucracy.
Government was a necessary evil.
joe rogan
What do you think that it's possible to get back to that?
Is it possible?
It's not possible if all these people are buying into Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.
bryan callen
Look, I think it's possible for the idea, and it's very resilient and strong in American culture still, and it's part of the American spirit, the concept and the idea that...
I, as an individual, have protection to speak my mind, to gain profit from my own ingenuity and my own risk-taking, to worship or say what I want, as long as it doesn't, you know, incite a riot or whatever, etc., etc.
Those kinds of things, I think, are very strong.
I think this country has always swayed from one extreme to the other, or somewhere in the middle.
There are always trends that push us toward the left, trends that push us toward the right.
I think the issue now is that you have so many people who, for such a cheap price, can get on TV, and if they've got a good speaking voice, or a sharp profile, or they say things that are inflammatory, you've got enough people where shit is changing so quickly today.
A lot of people are just afraid of how fast things are changing, especially technology.
You're going to have people who want to get back to the old way of living, the status quo, God, guts and guns, whatever it might be.
joe rogan
They want to go back to a John Wayne movie.
bryan callen
Yeah, so it doesn't surprise me that when my boy Glenn Beck says, we're bringing our country back to God, people go, that's the nostalgia I remember, the 50s or whatever it might be.
Let's get back to basics.
joe rogan
Human That dude wrote that shit and allowed for a pause after God.
He's a performer!
He's an actor!
He's like, okay, God, when I say God, that's gonna get him.
They're gonna be clapping then.
Okay, so I'll take a deep breath.
Dramatic pause.
Dramatic pause.
Go.
bryan callen
It's all the music.
joe rogan
But it's unfortunate that it works, man.
It's unfortunate.
We need to get the population on mushrooms.
We need to get this population on mushrooms.
bryan callen
Hey, drugs are where I draw the line, Buster.
joe rogan
Listen, I draw the line with drugs as well.
I think that's the line.
Take drugs.
Someone needs to fucking show you some shit.
bryan callen
Joe, you've got to be an example to the kids, man.
joe rogan
Listen, I'm not saying everybody should do drugs.
What I'm saying is some people should do drugs.
bryan callen
What's your thought on this?
What's your thought on not only steroids in sports, but the idea that technology is going to allow us to start doping our genes and all that stuff.
What do we do about that?
joe rogan
Myostatin inhibitors.
What are you going to do when that happens?
I don't know.
You guys got a super body.
bryan callen
I'm going to be looking like...
I'll tell you who's going to be taking him.
unidentified
This guy!
joe rogan
You look like Conad.
You're going to look like Conad.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
You're going to grow your hair long.
I'm going to get my armpit hairs fucking...
Tattooed.
bryan callen
No, they're going to be able to clone hair.
That's what I want.
And I want them to genetically engineer it.
I want a horse tail.
joe rogan
Just clone me a whole new scalp.
This shit's useless.
bryan callen
Give me a horse tail.
joe rogan
Get me a new one.
This one's a mess.
brian redban
Just upload your brain into somebody else's body.
joe rogan
You think that's going to be able to be possible?
unidentified
I think so.
joe rogan
Merge brains, maybe?
I think we're going to run some muck and start deleting files.
Some crazy bitch.
You let her in your brain.
You're deleting your childhood.
unidentified
Fuck your childhood.
joe rogan
I'm what matters.
I'm what matters.
Flush, flush.
bryan callen
They say they're going to be able to reverse engineer the brain.
Learning how the brain deals.
And then you're going to be able to tap into somebody else's brain through a net.
You'll have other experiences.
You'll be able to experience what it's like to be somebody else.
joe rogan
That's not nearly as crazy as it is to send a picture through the air to someone in Australia.
You can do that right now.
bryan callen
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
It's beyond.
It goes over the ocean.
bryan callen
It's magic.
joe rogan
It takes like 11 hours in a plane to go where that fucking picture goes in a couple of seconds.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's why people who aren't scientifically minded, who don't believe in the scientific process and stuff, always crack me up.
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
Who doesn't believe in the scientific process?
bryan callen
You hear about that stuff all the time.
joe rogan
There's some people that think that science is arrogant because it doesn't consider some things like astrology or psychic...
bryan callen
But there's no way to scientifically prove that astrology works.
joe rogan
Well, science can only prove something that happens over and over again, and you can measure it.
That's what it's all about.
unidentified
Exactly.
bryan callen
But we benefit so greatly from that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
But it's both.
To not apply it to everything.
joe rogan
But it's both.
bryan callen
I have to pee out of my pee hole.
joe rogan
You can go right over there.
unidentified
Do that in your bathroom.
joe rogan
Right in this direction.
A lot of cords around here.
This is very unprofessional, ladies and gentlemen.
We apologize.
Brian, do you have a song that can take us through this moment?
Well, how come...
No, we don't have to play the song.
Just go in there and pee, bro.
We're going to come up with topics to talk about when you get back.
unidentified
Just make a pee-pee.
joe rogan
No, no song.
We don't need any song, bro.
So what would you have done if that guy stopped and ran after you?
The guy that you chased after when he...
You saw, for people who didn't hear earlier, Brian saw someone trying to steal someone's purse.
The guy ran away, and Brian chased after the dude.
brian redban
Well, the problem is I just wasn't fearful of him because he was an Indian.
unidentified
I have no idea why.
Like, I mean, swear to God, if he was...
joe rogan
Do you even have Indian dudes all over the country that want to beat your ass right now?
unidentified
I know, but I'm just...
joe rogan
Russell Peters is going to throw a beating on you next time he sees you.
unidentified
Yeah, like, do you...
Like, Russell Peters is mad at you.
Would you be...
I don't know.
joe rogan
Um, Russell Peters, I bet he's got a good jab.
brian redban
I just think, you know, even their movies, like, their, like, Hollywood movies that Indian people do, like, their main stars are, like, ridiculous.
joe rogan
Well, India has a bunch of badass wrestlers.
unidentified
Did they?
joe rogan
Yeah.
India has a lot of badass wrestlers.
Yeah.
There's a bunch of people that were working on the big giant skyscrapers in Dubai.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And this was another Anthony Bourdain show.
And while they're working, when they have days off, they wrestle in the park.
And they wrestle for money.
And they're like these badass wrestlers.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
So that Indian would fuck you up, son!
That's what I'm trying to say.
unidentified
It's not in their culture or something.
Or maybe I'm just so used to that video, that little superstar.
joe rogan
There's Indian martial arts, especially wrestling, that goes back way a long time in their culture.
Yeah, absolutely.
brian redban
You know that video of that little Indian guy that's like a midget, though?
joe rogan
That's pretty cool.
The superstar?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The little superstar?
Let me see that.
If you haven't seen that, who hasn't seen that?
That's one thing.
What does it have, a billion hits on it?
How many hits does it have?
unidentified
Fifteen billion?
joe rogan
Fifteen million?
That's just because it's only this copy of it.
There's a hundred million versions of it on YouTube.
unidentified
Dude, that's why I'm not scared of Indian guys.
Like, all these guys that are in this video right here, are you scared of any of these guys?
joe rogan
Well, Indian people are pretty peaceful, considering there's a billion of them.
unidentified
It's like their culture's not violent.
joe rogan
But they don't get along with those Pakistanis very well.
Hold on.
Did you shut off his volume?
unidentified
Yeah, while he was getting up and...
joe rogan
Oh.
bryan callen
I guess you've never met any Sikhs.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's trying to tell me that Indians aren't scary.
Indians have beat your ass, son.
bryan callen
Sikhs, first of all, are big people.
Have you ever seen this video?
They're meat ears.
unidentified
That's why I'm not scared.
joe rogan
Have you seen this video before?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You haven't?
bryan callen
No, that's genius.
joe rogan
Wow, I thought everybody's seen this.
unidentified
Look at that little...
bryan callen
Look at this, they're all happy Indian guys.
joe rogan
You really have never seen this.
bryan callen
That guy's 30, by the way.
joe rogan
Yes, yeah.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
And they give the kids cigarettes too.
They give the kids cigarettes.
Kids smoking is a very fucking strange thing, man.
unidentified
Especially that one kid.
Did you see that?
joe rogan
The two-year-old?
Yeah.
How have you never seen this video?
unidentified
I know.
It's like the internet was made the same day as this video.
bryan callen
Oh my god, it's genius.
joe rogan
And now he works as like a choreographer in India.
unidentified
Does he?
joe rogan
Yeah, I watched a show on him.
He was like teaching people how to dance in this one movie or a video or something like that.
bryan callen
Was he a famous guy or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, a little superstar.
I think that's his name.
brian redban
He's not the same guy as the other guy that played like a detective in India?
joe rogan
No, no, that's another dude.
I think that dude was from the Philippines.
unidentified
Oh, from the Philippines?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was a crazy show.
unidentified
See, in my head, they're all Indian.
joe rogan
A little person who flies through the air and kicks dudes in the head and fucks them up.
The internet, man.
The internet exposes you to some shit that you would just...
When we were kids growing up, kids today, man, you'd be a 15-year-old boy today.
What kind of shit are you getting into your brain?
bryan callen
That's actually a worry, I think.
joe rogan
Fuck it is!
They're growing up the most difficult generation to grow up ever.
Young kids today, and with some of the most ridiculous influences.
Like, when I was a kid, there was no Kardashians, there's no Paris Hilton, there was no ridiculous people who were famous for doing nothing, you know, and so much attention was paid to them.
And I'm not hating, you know, if you can get it, good, good for you, man.
You know, why not?
Do a reality show about your life and drive around a Bentley.
bryan callen
It's just a form of voyeurism, maybe.
joe rogan
We talked about it, maybe possibly even being therapeutic, but what I'm saying is, we were never exposed to anything that ridiculous as a role model.
We were never exposed to anything You know, that's strange where all these people are paying attention to it.
I was listening to Nancy Grace talk about Paris Hilton.
I had to stop my car and I'm like sitting in my car shaking my hand.
Nancy Grace is mad because Paris Hilton was pulled over with cocaine.
unidentified
She is a repeat offender and she is out on the streets.
Would that be happening if it was you or I? It wasn't her purse, Joe.
joe rogan
I heard it wasn't even cocaine.
She thought it was candy.
She didn't even know when she threw it out the window.
unidentified
She can't buy her own purses.
She has to borrow purses.
joe rogan
Well, homeboy, her boyfriend was blowing weed out the window like a knucklehead and a motorcycle cop.
bryan callen
Who's her new boyfriend now?
joe rogan
You are, Brian.
You're going to move in and fix her.
bryan callen
Sure am.
joe rogan
Listen, Paris, you're a good person.
bryan callen
I like more than a skinny girl.
joe rogan
You just need to connect yourself with the right crowd.
In a few years, people will forget.
bryan callen
She's bone thin, by the way.
I don't find her attractive.
unidentified
Would you fuck her or Lindsay Lohan?
bryan callen
Lindsay Lohan in a heartbeat.
She's got curves in a heartbeat.
joe rogan
And she's dirty.
bryan callen
It's my joke about Paracelton trying to have sex with a girl that's skinny.
It's like trying to take a nap in a wooden chair.
joe rogan
There's no girls that are built that way that aren't dirty.
That girl's dirty.
She's built to fuck.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I shouldn't say that because she's a very young girl and she's got troubles.
bryan callen
No, she's not.
She's 24 now.
joe rogan
She's a young girl and she has troubles, Brian.
Growing up, the creepy thing is when you see the photos of her when she was really young or video of her when she was like a Disney kid, it's like, wow, this is strange.
Like, this kid really did grow up in front of the camera.
brian redban
Remember that she plays a twin and there's two of them?
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
bryan callen
Good luck with that.
joe rogan
Good luck with that.
That girl, man, that's a whole pot of problems.
bryan callen
Imagine growing up in L.A. as this being a reality.
joe rogan
Like, I mean...
unidentified
Ricky Schroeder turned out well.
That dude's fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He turned out awesome.
He's really got his shit together for a guy who grew up a child star.
I mean, it's very impressive.
He's a really regular dude.
He had an interesting way of putting it.
He said he thought that he was a regular dude because he grew up famous.
He doesn't have any point of reference.
It's not like all of a sudden he became famous.
It's like, wow, I don't know how to handle this.
bryan callen
It was just what it was.
And famous, by the way, means...
Famous means you just get recognized a lot in airports.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It means a lot more than that.
It means people treat you differently.
bryan callen
No, I'm saying as a person.
joe rogan
People communicate with you differently.
Yeah, but your model of the world is going to be all fucked up.
Because you're going to start thinking that you're special.
bryan callen
Because you're treated like a prince.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, how many actors have you ever met on sets?
And we've talked about this.
How goddamn infuriating it is.
These idiots think that what they have to say and what they have to do is so important because of the fact that there's a camera on them and because of the fact that all these people are telling them how awesome they are because their job revolves around this person.
So they start to believe it and then they start to act it out and then you come along and you have to meet this guy for the first time and you're like, oh this guy is in like The swirling fucking death throes of a three-year bizarre trip through ego, and now I'm meeting him four years in.
He doesn't even know how crazy he's acting.
He's yelling at the fucking staff and yelling at the director and doing cocaine before the scene.
bryan callen
And there goes his career.
joe rogan
I mean, come on, man.
How many dudes have you seen going through that death spiral?
bryan callen
I remember I did this show with this guy who's no longer around.
He's such a nice guy, but he was so high, and he was doing so much blow, and he kept going out of the trailer.
We were trying to shoot the scene, and he was playing a cop, and he had the guy in the chair, and the guy goes, and the line was, what?
You better enunciate.
I can't hear you too clearly.
That's all he had to say, and he was so high on coke, he kept going, what?
You better enunciate.
I can't hear you.
There's a cut.
It's enunciate.
He goes, what's that line?
Yeah, alright.
What?
You better enunciate!
And he did it 16 times.
And they finally were like, why don't we move on?
He's too high right now.
That was it, man.
That guy would have been something.
Nice guy.
joe rogan
You know, when I met you, you were on MADtv.
And that's also when I met Artie.
Did you stay in touch with him?
bryan callen
I do.
I haven't talked already in probably four years now.
But I always would run into him.
joe rogan
I always loved seeing that guy.
bryan callen
He said about me on Stern about a year ago.
My father called me up.
The best guy I've ever seen with women.
I've never seen anybody better with women than Brian Callen.
Something like that.
That's strong.
I know.
I got 50 calls.
My dad's like, why is this guy saying you're a stud with women?
What is it?
Whatever.
joe rogan
He's a good dude, man.
I would run into him every couple of years somewhere.
I ran into him at the Aspen Comedy Festival, I think, and I ran into him once in Vegas.
He was a crazy great guy.
Crazy great.
Just such a nice human being.
bryan callen
He truly is a nice human being.
And he's hilarious.
He's just tortured.
joe rogan
Yeah, just real tortured.
I mean, I felt like, almost like, you know, exposing all that and talking about it all the time, it became worse, you know?
bryan callen
Well, what happened?
Do you know how he's doing now?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know anything.
bryan callen
Hmm.
joe rogan
I just, you know, I remember feeling really sad when I heard that, you know, that he could get to that place where he could do something like that.
bryan callen
I think it's always hard when somebody suffers from that kind of, that level of despair.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And it must be really, really hard on, like, you know, like if you have a child who's that way and you can't do anything to help them.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I ran into a dude who was friends with Artie.
I don't know if it was his assistant at the time or someone who worked with him.
And this dude, I guess he lived in the same apartment building as Artie.
And he was talking to me about it just years and years ago.
About how he really worried about Artie.
And he didn't know what to do.
And he wanted other people to talk to him.
But nobody knew what to say.
It's a terrible feeling to have a friend.
I've had many friends who had serious drug problems.
And got real depressed.
My friend Johnny used to have heroin problems, coke problems, crack problems, everything.
My friend Johnny, he was a great guy.
bryan callen
It's amazing how charming those people are.
joe rogan
He was a street hustler, criminal, fucking pool hustler.
If you told him that story about the dude throwing the jacket over the purse, he'd be like, oh, that's a strong move.
Strong move.
Johnny was like this big, fat, funny, Jackie Gleason-type character.
bryan callen
How'd he die?
joe rogan
Some sort of an aneurysm, drug-related.
We suspect drug-related.
I mean, he had a real problem.
He had a real problem for a long time.
He would go one to the other and couldn't function.
bryan callen
Yeah, there's some drugs like meth and blow.
My friend was like, nobody's ever said, I had all these problems and I did a bunch of meth and it got a lot better.
unidentified
That's never...
bryan callen
That's never how it's worked out.
joe rogan
He came out here to stay with me when I first got a TV show.
When I was on Hardball, he came out here to stay with me to try to clean up.
He came out here for two weeks.
And for the first week, he didn't have any access to heroin.
I don't know if he brought any with him or not.
It seemed like the first week he didn't have any access to it.
All he would do is sleep.
He just could not get up.
I'm like, dude, you came to visit me and you were just fucking sleeping.
And then I sort of realized what's going on.
I'm like, okay, you're kicking some shit right now.
Is that what you're doing?
bryan callen
You're kicking some shit, yeah.
joe rogan
And he didn't want to talk about it.
He'd be like, yo, I'm just not feeling that good.
I don't know what's up.
He would lie about it.
I'd be like, dude, you're fucking like death.
Do you need to go to a hospital?
No, no, no.
I'm going to be good.
I'm going to be good.
I just need some soup or something.
Maybe we got some soup.
We'd have a cup of soup and go to sleep.
He did this for seven, eight, nine days.
He stayed with me for a while.
I flew him out here because I wanted to see him.
The plan was I'd known him from back in the pool hall days.
He's a really good pool player.
We used to go on these gambling matches.
Where I would take him to pool halls and I would match him up in games.
It was a lot of fun.
And it wasn't for a lot of money.
We'd do it for like $100 or something like that.
But it was just exciting.
He had a chance to win $100.
I had a chance to watch some great pool action between two dudes who were really nervous trying to win money.
And we would set up games.
And sometimes we would win money.
It was a lot of fun.
So the plan was, and I'm like, dude, I've been playing out here in California.
There's a lot of guys who like to gamble.
So you can get some good games.
It'll be a lot of fun.
Let's do this.
And I think there's a lot of guys you match up with.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
I'm on my way.
I'm on my way, bro.
We're going to have a good time.
And he got out here just the moment he landed.
He looked like a gray toilet paper roll.
bryan callen
He was probably doing meth.
joe rogan
I don't know what he was doing.
I think it was heroin.
He was gray.
bryan callen
Because I dated a girl the same thing.
She'd show up in New York and she looked like gray and she'd sleep for four days.
unidentified
Phew.
joe rogan
I think that's a lot of things to do.
bryan callen
I didn't know anything about drugs, though.
I didn't know that was going on.
I wasn't drug savvy.
I didn't know from heroin.
unidentified
Or iron deficiency people.
A lot of prejudice.
joe rogan
The story about my friend Johnny, though, is he, after nine days, he finally came out of it.
Like seven, eight, nine days, something like that.
I slowly started coming out of it, and I started taking him around.
And we had a good time.
It was like one of the last good times before he died.
We took him into it.
There was a place called Players Billiards.
In the valley.
It was a 24-hour place.
We were out there gambling until like 4 o'clock in the morning.
bryan callen
You and I were eating at Chaya when the day you found that he died.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was sad.
You know, he was a fascinating human being, man.
I've met a lot of fascinating human beings.
But, you know, every now and then there's a dude who's in the wrong place.
You're like, what are you doing here?
What's going on here?
What the fuck?
Like, this super, super smart dude.
Like, really smart.
Like, you could throw numbers at him.
Like, 396 minus 7 divided by 4. 262. He would just bang it out.
Like, literally that fast.
Mathematical genius.
Could play chess in his head.
You could talk to him, and he could play chess like they do in prison.
Knight to rook 5. You know, he could do that.
And he barely played chess.
He was just, like, a mathematical genius.
The reason why he was so good at pool, he was, like, mathematical, like, geometry and shit to him.
Just, like, would, like, play itself out in his mind.
He would look at a pool table and he could see the geometry.
He could see all the angles.
He didn't have to break it down one to another.
He's like, oh yeah, I'm out.
I'm out.
He would just see it.
His only problem was the drugs.
And his problem was he was kind of crazy, which is why he was so mathematically connected to things.
And he played good music, too.
He could play piano.
He could play a bunch of different instruments.
bryan callen
Sounds like he has Asperger's.
unidentified
Genius.
joe rogan
Genius.
No, but a regular social guy.
Fun to hang out with.
Told jokes.
Cracked jokes.
It wasn't like he had autism or anything.
He was very social.
unidentified
Don't you love him?
joe rogan
People like that.
bryan callen
I'll take a colorful character like that with that kind of flavor over it.
joe rogan
Are you kidding me, man?
Like my friend Joey Diaz.
bryan callen
Those people make your life.
joe rogan
He's the best.
He's the best.
bryan callen
Joey?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
What a character.
I never...
Every time I run into that guy, whether it's an audition or an end club, I'm never disappointed.
He's always inspiring.
joe rogan
What are you doing, Tarzan?
bryan callen
He's inspiring.
He's funny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
His stories, the way he walks, the way he talks, you just can't take your eyes off the guy.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
He's one of the funniest human beings I've ever met in my life.
He just makes me feel like there's a party going on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when Joey said, What's up, cocksuckers?
What are we doing?
Let's get this party started.
And you're like, yep, the party just got started.
The party got started.
Joey's here.
unidentified
He's great.
joe rogan
It really feels like something's going on now.
bryan callen
Is he a girl?
joe rogan
What's that?
unidentified
Yeah, he's married.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's married, man.
Yeah, his wife's Terry's awesome.
She was a waitress at the comedy store.
How's he doing?
bryan callen
Is he doing the road?
joe rogan
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
She wasn't a waitress.
She was an accountant.
bryan callen
Is he a draw now on the road?
joe rogan
He does well if he wants to.
If he wants to go on the road.
People want to see him.
I'm trying to get him to do that.
But Joey wants to get an acting gig.
He's working real hard.
He's a fucking hilarious actor.
He was in The Longest Yard and stuff like that.
He wants to get more.
I think he would like a good TV show.
He'd be fucking incredible.
brian redban
I think Voice of a Cartoon would be amazing.
joe rogan
That would be good too.
But he would be incredible on a sitcom.
Joey could crush a sitcom.
Yeah, I agree.
Are you kidding that character?
Or a drama, even.
As a funny guy and a fucking...
No doubt.
Like an informant.
Like The Shield, one of those kind of shows.
He could be genius on that.
Yeah, there's a lot of characters like that that you run into in life.
Joey has his shit together a million times more than Johnny did.
Johnny was homeless most of the time I knew him.
He was sleeping in pool rooms and just gambling and trying to win money.
bryan callen
Eric, you know, you see people like that sometimes, you know, you go, it's not going to be a happy ending.
You always kind of know.
joe rogan
Well, you know, he just, you know, he had an imbalance.
There was some imbalance and he self-medicated, you know.
But I got to see, like, genius because of all his crazy flaws.
It's like we were talking about that Robert E. Howard guy.
That Robert E. Howard guy was so fucked up that he had to kill himself when he was like 30-something years old, but yet he was so brilliant and so he had so much creativity.
Wrote all this really fascinating shit like in the 1950s, right?
bryan callen
There's people like that, right?
It's like Stephen King was talking about how he doesn't remember writing Cujo.
He doesn't remember writing the book because he was so drunk and high.
joe rogan
So fucked up, yeah.
bryan callen
And he said, you know, then his wife came in and she started putting all these beer cans in a bag.
And he looked around and he goes, geez, man, I drank a lot of beer over the past month.
She goes, that was yesterday, dude.
This is what you've been drinking in the past two days or whatever it was.
joe rogan
He would just black the fuck out.
unidentified
He was like, what?
bryan callen
He'd just keep drinking.
And she goes, you drank this in two days.
And it was a month's worth of beer.
Literally, she was filling garbage bags full of beer cans.
And he said, I happen to have been a really, really imaginative writer who had a substance abuse problem.
joe rogan
So do you think that his dealing with his substance abuse problem and then all the torture of being an alcoholic and doing coke and all this turmoil in his head created all that horror?
bryan callen
He would say no.
unidentified
Like his own battles?
bryan callen
He, in his book on writing, said no.
What he said was that, in fact, regardless, if he had been sober, he would have had the same imaginative mind.
joe rogan
I believe that is not true.
This is why I believe that is not true.
I think I've learned a lot about writing over the past few years of trying to write comedy.
And one of the things that I give credit to substances, I think substances have a dramatic effect on your creativity.
You can't say that you would have come up with that on your own.
bryan callen
Well, caffeine for sure for me has a good effect.
joe rogan
Stimulant effect.
bryan callen
But Nick Kent, who is a rock journalist, wrote a book called The Dark Stuff that I read a while ago about rock and rollers.
And he followed the Pogues and Lou Reed and the Stones and Zeppelin and everybody.
And he wrote a book which actually said that most of those guys, and there's been a lot of, like, there's some strong evidence to suggest that some drugs, yes, other drugs, W, and heroin.
joe rogan
Okay, but this is my point.
bryan callen
Heroin definitely killed a lot of creative people.
joe rogan
This is my point why he can't say that.
First of all, because he wrote all his stuff when he was fucked up.
That's why you can't say that he would have written it anyway.
You cannot say that.
You cannot say when you wrote something and you were fucked up, you cannot say you would have written it anyway.
That doesn't make any sense.
bryan callen
But I wonder if they got there, they got to that level.
joe rogan
It changes the way you think.
The alcohol changes the way you think.
Caffeine changes the way you think.
Cocaine for sure changes the way you think.
It's going to increase paranoia.
It's going to make you...
I mean, you think about his most thrilling, horror-filled, psychotic shit was all from the time he was using.
bryan callen
Well, yeah, but I mean, Nick Kent said that a lot of these guys got into drugs because a lot of their heroes were drug addicts, like the blues art guys.
Yeah, sure.
And he said, and a lot of those guys ended up, and Stanley Crouch said the same thing, he goes, a lot of these guys were subscribing to their heroes' lifestyles, and you can actually see a fairly precipitous drop off on their productivity, not when it came to weed.
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
But heroin.
Heroin.
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
And cocaine.
joe rogan
I absolutely agree.
bryan callen
Because what happens is they become so all-consuming that you end up doing that and not your work.
joe rogan
Yes.
I absolutely agree that there's a detrimental effect, especially with the ones like opiates and stuff that crushes your body very, very bad for your body.
bryan callen
Because I think because you get into that more than you get into anything else.
Yes.
joe rogan
I definitely agree.
But I also think that we have to acknowledge that they're changing the way people think.
The paths that you take and your creativity, they change the direction.
They change the enthusiasm behind things.
They change the aggression behind things.
And those change the road you go down when you're creating things.
bryan callen
And not only that, as we learn more about our genomes and how different we are genetically, drugs have a vastly different effect on one person versus another too.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very important because I've talked to people about pot, even the kind of pot that I smoke, like the figure out the universe, watch documentaries pot.
That, you know, sativas over the Indicas, rather.
Some people will smoke a sativa, and they're describing a completely different thing, and they have a completely different effect.
bryan callen
Does the sativa tech affect your mind more than your body?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
Well, it affects your body, too.
You know, it's still, all of them make sex feel better, baths feel better, showers feel better.
All of them do that.
It makes you more sensitive.
The rewards for massages and stuff, like, I never get massaged unless I get high first.
Except today because I knew it was going to be a dude robbing me.
unidentified
I was just going to say, yeah, what if it was a guy?
You don't want to be moaning when a dude is massaging.
joe rogan
I hurt my back last week in jujitsu and like a retard yesterday, I got adjusted and then I tried to roll last night and like halfway into the class, my back just fucking completely gave out where I couldn't stop anybody from passing my guard.
I couldn't explode.
I couldn't move.
It was like just a constant pain.
I was like, okay, I'm hurting myself here.
I got to stop.
So I knew that I had to go and get some deep tissue to break up the scar tissue and shit.
It's painful as fuck, dude.
unidentified
Why'd you have a guy, though?
joe rogan
Because you have to get a dude to do it.
First of all, they're sports dudes.
This isn't like you don't go to a spa, go to a sports medicine center, and they hurt you, bro.
It fucking hurts.
It's like, this guy today was not as bad as the last guy I went to.
The last guy I went to, I literally almost tapped out.
The doctor, Dr. Spag, who's the main chiropractor there, he told me he actually fainted.
This guy hurt him so bad that he fainted.
This mother is just breaking down your world with his elbow.
He's just digging into all your injuries, and it's breaking up the scar tissue, literally tearing it open so that it can breathe and get circulation in there.
unidentified
They're lasers for that, man.
joe rogan
Dude, they don't, though.
unidentified
They don't.
joe rogan
You have to take the pain.
bryan callen
I went to Brooks Massage.
It's on Beverly.
And I go in there, and this Russian dude is there.
He's like, please, please, you come here.
And I'm like, all good.
And I get on the slab, and I come out a new woman, right?
Because he's hitting me literally.
And he was just bare of a man.
And I was like, oh!
And I felt like such a girl.
joe rogan
Such a girl.
bryan callen
I literally grew bitch tits.
I had estrogen right into my body.
I was like, this guy.
Anyway, so it was great.
So I go, um...
I'm looking at him, I look at his body, I go, you were a sports guy?
He goes, yes.
unidentified
I go, were you, did you do any kind of fighting?
Yes, I was judo.
bryan callen
I go, judo.
I go, did you compete?
He goes, yes, everywhere.
I have won gold medal from Sydney.
I go, you were a gold medal, Olympic gold medal judo guy in Sydney?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
This guy massaged me for $65.
I go, that must have been a lot of training and stuff.
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
Did you lift a lot?
No.
Just judo.
unidentified
That's all.
bryan callen
He wouldn't give me anything.
I was like, but dude, you're a gold medalist in judo.
It's incredible.
I know I'm a grappler.
I know grappling.
Nothing.
joe rogan
He was like, yeah.
I got this deep tissue massage from this guy who's an expert in sports-related therapy for muscle injuries and stuff like that.
So he does a lot of range of motion things and a lot of resistance things.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we had gone through this whole, it's like a half an hour massage of death, right?
So we've gotten to the end, and this is what he asked me in the end.
He says, I want you to get on your knees, okay?
Get in like a cat position right here with your forearms.
Like this.
bryan callen
Put some vast land in your ass.
joe rogan
This position, and just hold yourself in that position.
And I'm going to work your back.
And this is what I want you to do.
I want you to go down, okay?
And then as you're resisting, you know, go up, okay?
So he says this, right?
And he's going to do this with his elbow.
This is where he's really going to jack me.
So as he's got me in this position, he goes, really into that MMA, you know?
It feels like around maybe 35 years ago, and I probably got into it myself, probably even competed.
And he's like, yeah!
He's got me on my hands and knees here.
And he's telling me that he would...
And he's bigger than me.
He's a big old dude.
He's a big old bear.
And it hurts like a motherfucker.
And he's getting me with this elbow.
Maybe I would have competed.
unidentified
Maybe I'd have to take you back right now.
joe rogan
I have to fucking massage you, you punk.
And I'm younger than you.
Or I'm older than you.
unidentified
Girl only.
joe rogan
I'm rubbing your back.
unidentified
Girl only for massages.
joe rogan
Listen, no, no, no.
I'm making light of it, but he's a very important guy to know if you have muscle injuries.
Those guys, they'll fix you up, man.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because you get a knot when you get an injury, any tear, you get inflammation, you get tears, and those tears knot you up.
And if you get an injury and you don't have it broken down and busted open like that, it's not going to heal right.
You're going to lose range of motion.
You're going to You're going to tighten up.
bryan callen
Do they massage the actual...
unidentified
They do.
joe rogan
No, nothing works like this.
You have to get in there physically.
You have to feel it.
You have to know where it is, and you have to break that shit up.
bryan callen
So they actually get on the actual...
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They hurt you, son.
They hurt you.
They dig in.
There's a guy I went to before.
This guy was not as painful as the last guy I went to, but the last guy I went to...
Fucking would get on.
He was a strong yoga guy like this guy does like power yoga and shit.
He's strong as fuck and he would get on top of you with your elbow with his elbow rather and just Drive it into your spine like right where that injury is because I got this knot of scar tissue right next to my spine and he's I'm breaking it.
unidentified
I can feel the fucking tearing.
joe rogan
It's so necessary, but so hard to take.
You just want to run out of the room screaming.
You want to go, I can't take it.
bryan callen
You feel better, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Right after it's over, you're like, thank you.
bryan callen
I did prolotherapy in my neck.
You ever done that?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've done that on my wrist.
I've done it on my both knees.
bryan callen
Yeah, I did it in my neck, and it worked.
But I do a lot.
I've been doing this.
joe rogan
Well, tell people what that is.
bryan callen
Prolotherapy is where they take dextrose and they shoot it in your muscle.
And the reason they shoot dextrose with lidocaine, but they'll shoot dextrose in.
And dextrose is basically a sugar water.
But when it coats the muscle, the body rushes healing agents to it because it views it as a foreign agent.
So what it'll do is it'll actually inflame the area and create...
And rush healing agents to it.
joe rogan
It makes ligaments like 40% stronger.
bryan callen
It makes your ligaments stronger.
And muscles.
joe rogan
Up to 40% stronger, which is incredible.
bryan callen
It heals them.
joe rogan
I had it done.
I've had wrist problems.
I broke my wrist a long time ago.
Kickboxing in like 1989. I never did anything about it.
I just dealt with it.
And every now and then from jiu-jitsu, it'll start really hurting.
It used to hurt when I played Quake, when I'd move it around too much with a mouse.
I'd get this pain.
I think I tore a ligament in there or something.
There's something wrong.
It clicks a lot and shit.
There's something really wrong with it.
But I had them do that in there, and then I had them do it in my knee.
bryan callen
My lower back has always been...
It always tightens up, no matter what I do.
joe rogan
Well, you got to work on your flexibility, son.
That's one of the most important things, man.
Working on your flexibility is so important.
bryan callen
I do it every day, actually.
It's really important.
joe rogan
You got to see my garage, man.
You haven't even seen my garage.
Oh, you don't even know, son!
Alright, let's wrap this show up because we've been doing this for like six hours now, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Brian, how long have we been doing this?
unidentified
Two hours and 20 minutes.
joe rogan
I wish we'd end on a bang.
Bang!
Got a good story?
bryan callen
Wish I could sing.
unidentified
I'll have one next week.
bryan callen
Did I tell you my story?
Did I tell you my story when I was on a date up in this area?
joe rogan
Were you on a date with a Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor?
bryan callen
No, with a girl where I had to poo now.
I had to poo right now.
joe rogan
In the woods?
bryan callen
You ever been in the woods on a trail with a girl?
You want to get laid?
You want to bang?
Like on a rock and you have to shit now?
joe rogan
Oh my god!
bryan callen
And you know what I did?
I'm talking to her and I go, I have to shit now.
In fact, I'm shitting now.
I ran away from her.
I ran away from her.
Up the trail.
And I fucking hid.
And I was like, I literally ran and I was like, and I got around and I was like, and I'm shitting.
And I'm like, and I'm like, how the fuck?
She's coming.
She goes, so she goes, what are you doing?
Are you trying to scare me?
And I go, and I go, yeah.
I yanked my shorts up.
I started kicking.
And I go like this.
I go, but then I don't want her to look down.
unidentified
So I go, I go, And she goes, what are you doing?
bryan callen
I'm like, hey!
Like that.
Meanwhile, we're walking.
I go, holy shit, thank God.
That was the worst thing.
I can't believe that.
unidentified
I got a parasite.
joe rogan
Did you wipe your ass at all?
bryan callen
I got a parasite.
I wiped my ass.
I didn't have time to do anything.
I look at her and I go, oh God, guess what?
I have to shit now again.
I'm shitting now.
joe rogan
But after you shot, before you pulled your pants up, you just pulled your pants up.
bryan callen
This happened three times.
It happened three times.
unidentified
Three times the same day?
bryan callen
Same day.
I literally go, I go, holy shit, thank God we got over that.
And then I go like this, I go, anyway, I'm like, I'm talking to you and I'm shitting again!
unidentified
I go like, the third time, I don't get all the way around.
bryan callen
And you hear...
unidentified
My ass!
bryan callen
My legs are full of shit!
I go...
unidentified
I take dirt and I wipe it on my ass!
bryan callen
I heard that's what they did in the desert!
So I'm trying to get off!
She stops and she goes...
I hear...
I hear...
Are you sick?
And I go, oh, yeah.
So now we've got to go back down the trail.
joe rogan
You smell like shit.
unidentified
Not only do I smell like shit, we have to go back down the trail and we have to go through the minefield.
bryan callen
So she now sees the shit that was kicking down.
unidentified
I'm like, hey, hey, look up here.
bryan callen
Is that a kite?
unidentified
Oh, look, look.
An eagle.
An eagle.
bryan callen
I'm fucking saying it.
I'm lying about birds in the air, and I fucking have to boil it down.
joe rogan
How bad did you smell?
bryan callen
How bad did I smell?
unidentified
I had to take a sink shit shower in the fucking bathroom down there.
bryan callen
I'm trying to get my ass in.
You ever try to get your ass in a sink, one of those old-fashioned things?
You can't do it.
joe rogan
Was it a public bathroom?
bryan callen
Of course it was a public bathroom.
joe rogan
How many people could get in there?
Was it one that you could knock yourself out?
bryan callen
No, no, thank God.
Topanga Canyon, they're individual ones.
I wouldn't have cared.
That shit was coming off my ass no matter what, dude.
I don't care.
So now I sink clean my crack.
We're sitting in the car, and I have to drive her from Topanga Canyon all the way up to Gower in Los Feliz.
I'm like, anyway, that was fun.
Just call me the poo-poo guy.
No laughter.
Never talked to her again, did you?
She saw me in a coffee shop a year later and ran the fuck out.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
She never returned my phone call.
unidentified
I called her twice.
bryan callen
She was like, fuck that.
You're the shit guy.
joe rogan
You're disgusting.
bryan callen
You can't have explosive diarrhea and get laid.
You gotta just write that one off.
That ain't gonna happen.
joe rogan
But here's the reality.
If it was her, you would still fuck her.
bryan callen
Of course I would.
unidentified
Take a shower.
bryan callen
You don't even have to take a shower.
Just wipe well.
unidentified
Fuck it.
I'm horny.
Use the shit as lubrication.
joe rogan
You got a towel?
You got a fucking clothespin?
bryan callen
I'm not a pussy.
joe rogan
I'll put a clothespin on my nose and you'll kill that shit.
bryan callen
You got herpes?
I'll wear a condom.
unidentified
Roll the dice.
joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for tuning in again.
Thank you everybody from Boston.
We had a fucking awesome time.
And that was, I think, the craziest round of applause I've ever gotten ever at a comedy club from the Wilbur Theatre.
It was cool to be home.
Growing up in Boston and doing that show there was a lot of fun.
The UFC there was a lot of fun, too.
A bunch of fucking psychos in the audience.
Thank you very much to The Fleshlight for sponsoring our show.
Thank you very much, Brian Callen.
What is your Twitter?
Just B-R-Y-A-N. C-A-L-L-E-N. Brian Callen.
That's his Twitter.
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
Hey, if you guys are up north, I'm going to be up in San Jose September 23rd to the 26th up at the Rooster Teeth Feathers.
So come out, man.
joe rogan
Is that a comedy club?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where's that?
bryan callen
Rooster Teeth Feathers.
It's in San Jose.
joe rogan
San Jose.
Rooster Teeth Feathers.
And what is the dates again?
bryan callen
It's September 23rd and the 26th.
To the 26th.
joe rogan
And their information is at BrianCallen.com?
bryan callen
Yeah, and then I'll be in Louisville, Kentucky October 7th to the 11th.
joe rogan
And it's B-R-Y, B-R-Y-A-N.com.
bryan callen
B-R-Y-A-N-C-A-L-L-E-N.com.
What's that, Brian?
unidentified
Not the cool way to spell it.
joe rogan
Brian spells it the cool way?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
With an I. With an I, like a man.
Well, he's not into himself, man.
He's a yes, man.
He's into yes.
He's into positivity.
bryan callen
That's right, that's right.
That's the Scottish way of saying it.
joe rogan
We had a fun time, as always.
Thank you very much for tuning in.
We really appreciate it.
Tomorrow, we will have another podcast.
This time, 2pm.
And, of course, iTunes will be on the next day.
And it'll be Joey Diaz and Eddie Bravo.
And we're going to break down UFC 118 and have a good time.
So, thank you very much for coming in.
I really appreciate it.
Coming in?
Where'd you go?
Whatever.
Tuning in?
bryan callen
Tuning in.
joe rogan
Whatever you're doing here.
bryan callen
Locking in.
joe rogan
Whatever we're doing here.
Thanks a lot.
Appreciate it.
Love you guys.
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