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AMB Chas Freeman : Is Iran Next?

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	Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for judging freedom.
	Today is Tuesday, September 23rd, 2025.
	Ambassador Chaz Freeman will be with us in just a moment on how soon will the Israelis be attacking Iran.
	And what will the United States do?
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	Ambassador Freeman, welcome here, my dear friend.
	Thank you for accommodating my schedule.
	Before I pick your brain on Iran and uh when the Israelis are likely to attack and why they want to uh attack, is in your view the now near universal recognition uh of the state of Palestine of any geopolitical significance, or is it just performative?
	No, it's a very considerable geopolitical significance.
	Um it represents uh several things, um, or it is in response to several things.
	One is the absolutely outrageous uh horrors that Israel has visited on the Palestinians.
	We're now seeing uh informed estimates of 600,000 dead, much uh ten times what the official figure has been because both Mass and Israel have to minimize the level of uh civilian casualties.
	Um this is simply unacceptable to the world.
	It may be acceptable in Washington, but virtually nowhere else.
	Second, um our uh switch from uh in enabling Israeli atrocities to actually participating in them directly, not just with intelligence support and the supply of munitions and uh and and aircraft and uh other uh means by which to conduct the genocide that is in progress in jet in uh Gaza.
	But our actual switch to participation, particularly in the form of the so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which we have staffed with Islamophobic motorcycle gang members, um, and uh which has been exposed by a few conscientious people as uh uh a full partner in the genocide.
	Um, basically the spring in the mousetrap that the uh that the feeding stations uh so-called represent.
	Um this just uh has done such damage to our reputation, along with our complete abandonment earlier of any effort to make peace uh between Israelis and Palestinians or others in the region, and it's left a vacuum.
	The complete diplomatic vacuum augmented by collapse of our diplomatic capacity, and it's driven our European allies to openly break with us on uh to oppose uh our uh effort to stymie their recognition of a Palestinian state.
	So it's a major indicator of reputational damage to the United States.
	It doesn't do much for the Palestinians.
	It is a slap in the face for Israel.
	Uh it is a recognition by the world that we are no longer capable of influencing Israel, something that was very vividly driven home in the treacherous Israeli attack on peace negotiators in Doha, Qatar, um, which uh there's a lot of reason to believe the United States knew about.
	Um followed by Donald Trump, our president, saying this will not be repeated.
	Never again uh will Israel do this.
	Uh and really within minutes almost, uh, Prime Minister Netanyahu said, yes, it will happen again.
	We will do it whenever and wherever we wish, uh, demonstrating the impotence of the United States for the entire world to see.
	So there's a lot more in this than the superficial um bow to domestic public opinion.
	Uh that of course does need to be mentioned.
	That basically uh the hardline support of Israel that these governments in his in Europe had uh previously uh demonstrated is no longer viable.
	They can't sustain it.
	Domestic opinion has gone against them.
	It's going against the Trump administration on this issue here, also.
	Israel is losing its international support, and that could be fatal for it.
	What happens uh next uh I want to say juridically, but within within the UN.
	I mean, all but just maybe a handful of countries are in favor of this.
	Does something actually happen?
	Is there a vote?
	Is there a significance to the vote?
	Is it subject to a uh Security Council uh veto?
	Um I heard um I heard Mike Waltz, who of course was just sworn in as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations uh over the weekend, uh, making uh a fiercely pro-Zionist, fiercely anti-Russian, just as fiercely as when he was a member of Congress uh uh statement.
	So I don't know where this goes, the near universal legally the near universal recognition of Palestine.
	Well, uh the United States, of course, is completely isolated on this issue.
	Uh there was a vote in the UN General Assembly on the issue of recognizing Palestinian state and so forth, sponsored by France and Saudi Arabia.
	There were only 10 votes against it.
	There were some abstentions, um, uh, but the vote was overwhelmingly in favor.
	The United States was joined by Israel, Argentina, uh, which President Trump is uh apparently planning to bail out from its latest uh financial uh collapse.
	Um, Hungary, Viktor Urban, and uh several small states uh that are uh that are uh basically uh directed by the United States to vote uh in how they vote.
	Um so we are totally isolated.
	There are three possibilities, and we don't know what is going to happen at this point.
	The first is that uh Israel, like South Africa, which was suspended from active membership in the UN due to apartheid, that Israel will be suspended.
	That is something the General Assembly can do.
	It did it in the case of South Africa over opposition in the Security Council, uh, and it can do it again for against Israel.
	The second uh possibility uh is uh a uh uniting for peace resolution.
	This is a precedent we set uh when North Korea attacked South Korea uh on uh June 27, 1950, and um uh the Soviet Union had absented itself from the Security Council, uh, and we passed a General Assembly record resolution overriding any Security Council opposition to the UN response to the North Korean aggression.
	So that precedent exists and it could be directed against Israel.
	That is a Uniting for Peace Resolution, a direct global sanctions against Israel that perhaps even at the extreme organizes military opposition to Israel.
	And the third issue that is bubbling along after our denial of visas to the Palestinian delegation to attend the UN General Assembly this year, contrary to our obligations under the UN headquarters agreement, is to remove the UN from New York, at least temporarily, have its meetings perhaps in Geneva or elsewhere, or possibly move it permanently.
	And I note that there are some uh Republicans in Congress who actually would like that to happen.
	This would essentially disarm the United States globally.
	UN has been very useful for us and ask Israel about that.
	Without the United States and the UN, where would they be?
	Yeah.
	Here's uh President Macron uh yesterday addressing the General Assembly on these very issues, Ambassador Chris Cut number 13.
	At this point, we have reason to fear that the Abraham Accords, the Cap David Accords, could be called in question by Israel, and that peace would become impossible for a long time yet in the Middle East.
	It thus falls to us this historic responsibility.
	We must do everything within our power to preserve the very possibility of a two-state solution.
	Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security.
	The time has come.
	This is why.
	True to the historic historic commitment of my country to the Middle East, to peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
	This is why I declare that today front recognizes the state of Palestine.
	Overwhelming uh approval.
	What remains of the so-called ruled rules-based order?
	The rules that the United States wrote.
	Um, I think it is uh uh has been shelved.
	It's it's passed its uh still its its uh shelf life.
	Um it was something that was basically invented by us as a substitute for the for international law, the UN Charter, and uh a legal order internationally that was formed by consensus and common agreement.
	Instead, we asserted a unilateral right to make rules, declared uh uh their enforcement against others, uh, exempt ourselves and others from them.
	Uh, and I think uh it totally discredited itself.
	This was an artifice of the Biden administration primarily, uh, and uh it is dead.
	Uh so uh I think uh President Macraw uh mentioned a couple of key issues which should be of concern to us, and that is uh the Camp David Accords.
	Egypt is um is beginning to threaten that they may they may no longer apply.
	Israel is in violation of them.
	Egypt is now in violation of them.
	Uh there's an agreement uh between the two on Sinai force levels.
	Egypt now has exceeded us double, has double the forces permitted under that agreement in Sinai.
	It has massed uh troops uh near the Philadelphia corridor, which Israel has illegally seized and occupied and won't leave.
	Um, and so that is falling apart.
	Uh the Abraham Accords are to are on life support.
	Uh, you know, the United Arab Emirates, which was the key mover in that uh uh set of accords uh in the Arab world, um, of course, does not have uh representatives of Hamas on its territory, but it does have substantial Iranian representation uh on its territory, and Israel has shown an ability and an ability and a willingness to violate international law and the sovereignty of other countries with regard to Hamas and Iran.
	So there's great apprehension in the region, and there's no confidence at all in the uh willingness or ability of the Trump administration to reign in Israel or prevent it from doing things that are uh gross violations of the national sovereignty of these states.
	Does Israel abide by any moral uh or acceptable recognizable international standard?
	Um it's difficult to think of one that it does.
	Um that is to say uh uh, you know, Israel uh this this fallacious equation of Zionism with Judaism is really misleading and um it's been a terrible fatal thing for the Palestinians.
	It's been it's a dire um future for the Israelis because uh basically Judaism went to Israel to die, and uh it has been reborn as a uh as Zionism, which is an ideology that has nothing but contempt for morality and international order.
	Uh it lives off assassinations, mass murder, surprise attacks, um violating a basic norm of international uh relations, which is that peace talks, negotiators, uh uh diplomats, if you will, are uh are exempt from uh from uh violence.
	Um it is uh and Israel doesn't keep its word.
	Um it lies.
	Um whenever Prime Minister Netanyahu opens his mouth, people and says something people imagine that the opposite must be true.
	So this is a state that uh has abandoned Jewish morality, which is the foundation of both Christian and Islamic morality, and uh and gone off on a on a totally uh moral tangent.
	How soon do you think uh Netanyahu's regime will strike Iran and why from their perspective are they going to do so?
	Uh well he I can't give you a date.
	They will do it at the earliest feasible moment when they when they believe they are ready to do it.
	Um and uh I think they feel under great pressure because they have basically succeeded elsewhere in the region, with the exception of Yemen, uh in subduing or overthrowing uh uh governments opposed to them or uh movements uh opposed to them.
	So they've taken out the leadership of Hezbollah and Lebanon.
	Um they are trying now to disarm Hezbollah, which would leave Lebanon basically unable to defend itself since the Lebanese army has no capability or will to do that.
	Um they have uh participated in the dismemberment and overthrow of Syrian uh the Syrian regime.
	Uh they have uh got a uh an ex-Jihadi or by his own uh profession, uh Shara in power in Damascus.
	Um that regime is carrying out uh what would only be described as pogroms against uh minorities, Alawites, Druze, and others, and it is also uh cuddling up to Israel because it has no alternative.
	Um they attacked Iran on three occasions, surprise attacks.
	Um they've not overthrown the government of Iran, that's their objective.
	Their objective is to do to Iran what they've done to Syria.
	Basically uh destroy the regime, overthrow it, and then divide the country into smaller countries, which they can then divide and rule.
	Uh Iran is uh, I think about 60 percent Persian, but 40 percent Arab, Kurdish, and other minorities, and um uh some of them have uh separatist inclinations.
	Uh so and Israel's involved with all of them.
	So I think uh this is partly the momentum of a uh strategic plan that uh Prime Minister Netanyahu sees as leading to Zionist domination of the entire uh West Asia, with the exception of Turkey, which some people in his entourage have said is next after Iran.
	Um and uh and partly uh a sense that uh as long as President Trump is in power, um uh they can do anything they want with impunity, uh but he may not be in power forever.
	Uh and uh therefore they need to act earlier rather than later.
	Well that uh that is uh an extraordinary summary of where things uh where things stand.
	Here's the President Erdogan uh yesterday stating our uh rather clearly uh to uh uh Brett Bear of uh Fox News that um Netanyahu has perpetrated genocide.
	Of course, he hasn't done anything about it, but at least he's he's saying it.
	Uh Chris Cut number 14.
	Would you consider what's going on in Gaza genocide?
	I don't think we can explain it in any other way.
	Well, Dr. This is a completely a genocide.
	Genocide is caused by Netanyahu.
	Mercilessly has unfortunately killed tens of thousands with this genocide.
	Other than that, you're a lot uh there are a lot of uh there are the wounded.
	Use your maybe.
	We think 120,000 or 125,000 of them we took them in our country and we are providing medical care.
	And all these deaths unfortunately are as a result of this genocide, and facing this genocide, uh nobody is saying anything as Turkey Carson.
	We are in complete opposition to this genocide.
	Well, I think uh um President Erdogan uh is uh far from alone.
	Every single human rights organization that has including Israeli human rights organizations that has investigated what is happening in Gaza has come to the conclusion that it is genocide.
	The International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice have come to the same conclusion.
	The UN Human Rights Commission, after a very careful study of it, has just uh affirmed that it is uh genocide.
	So uh the idea that somehow uh President Erdogan is um uh saying something extraordinary when he recognizes genocide as he sees it, uh, is um really fairly uh preposterous.
	Um I think it is not fair, however, to say that Turkey hasn't done anything.
	Um he mentioned taking in wounded Palestinians, uh, but he just basically broken all trade relations with Israel, with the possible exception of uh uh live living up to contracts uh for oil deliveries that come out uh through uh a Turkish port, um the pipeline that crosses Turkey.
	I don't know the status of those.
	But he's basically shut down Israeli uh intercourse of all kinds with Turkey and um and uh uh gone a bit farther than uh than anyone in the West has done.
	Maybe uh the Spanish are the closest analogy because they've been quite courageous on the subject.
	Uh just switching topics for a moment, because this is happening as we speak, not literally, but you know, this week, you are a former uh assistant secretary of defense.
	Here's the defense department today, exploiting the uh murder of uh Charlie Kirk for a propaganda campaign.
	Here's the Secretary of Defense.
	He calls himself the Secretary of War.
	Tell me if this ever happened when you were in management at the Pentagon.
	Chris Cut Number 10.
	Our father, who art in heaven.
	Hallowed be thy name.
	Thy kingdom come.
	Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
	Give us this day our daily bread.
	And forgive us our trespasses.
	As we forgive those who come to pass against us.
	And lead us not into temptation.
	But deliver us from evil.
	For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever.
	Amen.
	The only thing they didn't show is the Department of Defense murdering people on speedboats in the Caribbean.
	Well, I think there are two precedents for this, and neither of them are very easy to talk about.
	One is the Crusades.
	There were multiple Crusades.
	This is linking Christian religion to mass murder, to pillage, to rape, to war.
	And that is quite something given the message that Jesus Christ delivered to us.
	The second analogy is even more poignant.
	And that is to the story of Horst Wessel.
	I'm sorry to say that it is an insult to the memory of Charlie Kirk, who by all standards was an upright man.
	To make that comparison, but Horstwessel was a disheveled disorderly student in a boarding house, and he couldn't pay his rent.
	and he wouldn't leave.
	And his landslady, who was a member of the Communist Party, went to a local bar where communists hung out and told the people there about this.
	They volunteered to get Horst Vessel out.
	They went to the house and beat him to death.
	He became the great martyr of the National Socialist Party, the Nazis.
	The Horst Vessel lead, the song about Horst Vessel, Became the rallying point for youth in Nazi Germany.
	He was extolled as he's beatified.
	He was sanctified.
	He was made a uh mascot of uh the uh German military depredation in Europe.
	And this bears an uncanny resemblance to that.
	Uh as does the speech that uh Stephen Miller delivered at the uh memorial service um for uh for uh Charlie Kirk, much of which appears to have been plagiarized from a speech that uh Goebbels gave uh about horse vessel.
	Uh and uh so uh there are uncanny, really quite eerie and deeply disturbing echoes with history in not in Charlie Kirk's life, but in the way his death is being politically exploited.
	Thank you, Ambassador.
	Your uh grasp of history and and morality is spectacular, and uh that was uh two terrific lessons that you uh reminded us of.
	Uh a great segment to sir, and always a pleasure to be able to pick that fertile brain of yours, no matter how gloomy the subject matter might be.
	I hope you have a nice day and a good week, and we'll look forward to seeing you next week, Ambassador.
	Look forward to seeing you then.
	Thank you.
	All the best.
	Dark day is coming, my friends.
	Uh coming, but also coming today at 11 this morning, Colonel Bill Astori at two this afternoon.
	Matt Ho returns.
	I hope for a regular uh weekly uh visit with us, and he'll tell you uh and all of us about a brilliant movie on which he is working, which uh exposes the horrors of war.

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