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July 29, 2025 - Judging Freedom - Judge Andrew Napolitano
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Phil Giraldi : Is Hubris a Foreign Policy?
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Hi, everyone.
Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom.
Today is Wednesday, July 30th, 2025.
Phil Giraldi will be here with us in just a moment.
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Bill Giraldi, welcome here, my dear friend.
It's been a long time, and I miss you, and I'm glad that we are back together.
And I know a lot of the viewers miss you as well.
On Monday, President Trump in Scotland, while seated next to British Prime Minister Kier Starmer, purported to threaten President Putin.
End the war or enter into a ceasefire in 10 to 12 days.
I don't know where he came up with these numbers.
Or I will impose secondary sanctions on products sold by Russia to third countries.
I always something, how does something like that register in the Kremlin?
How does it register in the intelligence community?
That kind of a schoolyard threat.
Well, I can tell you how it's registering in the intelligence community and in the diplomatic service, which we once had.
As basically, people are saying this is insane.
We, people my age or somewhat younger, were brought up in a system where we believed in diplomacy in that you negotiate issues that divide you from other people, and you try to figure out compromises to make those issues go away.
And that way you avoid things like wars.
And the fact is what we are doing now with the, and Biden was into this too.
Let's bear in mind what we've learned about Blinken and everything since Biden disappeared, about how Blinken was driving a lot of the pro-Israeli policies that were going on and were kind of invisible.
And of course, Biden was a non-entity.
But what we're doing now is we're going into these non-negotiations where we're not serious about what we're talking about.
We're not really looking for any kind of solution.
And then when the thing kind of breaks down, we resort to threats.
And that's exactly what we saw just recently with the threats against Russia.
And the Russians, of course, take it for what it's worth.
This is, in a way, not serious stuff either until somebody does something really stupid.
Until somebody does something really stupid, like carry out on one of his threats.
About 10 minutes ago, he imposed or announced the imposition.
I don't know how quickly these things come into effect.
A 50% tariff on all products from Brazil because he doesn't like the fact that three judges have found probable cause to prosecute his buddy, former President Jair Bolsonaro.
And he thinks he can affect not only the domestic policy, but the judicial policy of a foreign country with his tariffs.
What does the Kremlin think about that?
Do they laugh at him and say, we can't believe a word that comes out of this guy's mouth?
Well, I think it's a bit of both.
I mean, they're laughing at him because they know that the reality base that Donald Trump finds himself in is not reality at all.
He has no appreciation of what are the issues at stake.
He has no appreciation of what it would mean to go to war, a real war with Russia.
And, you know, so there's that element of it too.
And they just are probably astonished by how ignorant a president of the United States can be when he's supposed to have this staff, at least at a minimum, that keeps him advised on what the issues are.
It's hard to see any of that in what's been going on in the last six months.
I think he has a very short attention span.
I pity the people that have to brief him.
He really doesn't want to hear what they have to say.
He thinks he's the smartest person in the room and believes that he can operate from his gut instinct, even though that has not always proven to be in the best interest of the United States.
I was just looking at a very, very interesting article by Tom Friedman, not somebody that you and I agree with very much, the writer for the New York Times who specializes In Israel, how Nets and Yahoo played Trump for a fool.
Wow.
In the New York Times.
Wow.
It was right.
Do you think there's a developing consensus in the West that what you and everybody else on the show have been saying for three years now, the IDF is engaged in slaughter, genocide, and now starvation in Gaza?
Well, I think there's a worldwide sense that this is precisely what's going on.
And we're at the point now where it is more so something that the people understand, just like we've seen in the opinion polls recently here in the United States about how their perception of Israel and perception of Palestine have shifted dramatically.
Now, this is going on everywhere.
It's going on from what I hear from my contacts in Britain, my contacts in Italy, and I also have some contacts in Turkey who are saying exactly the same thing.
What's blocking this from developing to the kind of pressure that would bring about change is the fact that the governments are all nervous about getting into it to a certain extent due to the threats that Donald Trump is throwing around.
They're worried about what Trump might do, something stupid, not necessarily a war, but start throwing around more tariffs, start taking other actions that would damage people's economies and their well-being.
So this is the only thing that's kind of still holding up because everybody recognizes exactly what this is.
This is a genocide.
This is a slaughter.
It's been going on for a long time now.
And it was stoppable by the U.S. government just making a phone call.
But as I say, Joe Biden and his staff, such as they are, were not willing to do that.
And clearly, Donald Trump is not willing to do it either.
Forgive me for jumping back to the original topic of Trump's threat to Putin, but Chris just informed me that at 8 o'clock this morning, President Trump posted on his Truth Social in all caps, as he likes to do frequently, the following.
The August 1st deadline is the August 1st deadline.
It stands strong and will not be extended.
A big day for America.
Now, August 1st is this Friday, which is fewer than 10 to 12 days.
I don't know if he can count properly or if he's changing the numbers when he says a big day for America.
It won't be for the Americans who are paying a 50% tariff on products that are imported from India, and they may not even realize how many products from India have made their way into various products that we ordinarily buy and use in this country.
He is attempting to pull the wool over the eyes of the people who elected him.
I don't know where this goes, Phil.
Let's go on to Epstein.
How dangerous to the Trump presidency is this unfolding Epstein saga, which seems to be getting worse every day as more and more comes out?
Well, I think it's devastating.
I think that a lot of these things that people are only kind of hinting at or talking about about Donald Trump and his past are quite likely true and are quite likely recorded on videotape by Mr. Epstein.
And it will be very interesting to see if we have a break in this, if we suddenly find out from independent sources, because it's not going to come out of Bondi.
She will do everything she can to conceal anything that Donald Trump was involved in.
You're speaking of the Attorney General.
Yes, Her Majesty herself.
Yeah.
She'll do a cover-up.
And there's no question about that in my mind.
But there's also no question in my mind as a former intelligence operations officer who kind of has a feel for these kind of games that intelligence people get into.
What Epstein was doing was on behalf of Israel.
If you want to bag it one way or the other, say he was doing it because he was a Mossad agent, fine, I'll buy into that.
I don't believe that he was doing it necessarily for CIA, but he might have been doing it necessarily for other people in the U.S. government who had a stake in this.
But the idea was to create a huge cadre of people in high positions in the United States who were very dependent on people not saying things about them or not revealing things about them.
And these people had only one job, which was basically to, in all cases, in all situations, to protect Israel.
I'm convinced of that.
And I think when I listen to some of your other correspondents here on the show, I think there are others that kind of are feeling the same way about it.
I think you're right about the consensus of the overwhelming consensus of our viewers and the nearly unanimous consensus of Our colleagues on the show.
If he was a Mossad asset, wouldn't the CIA necessarily have been involved?
The CIA might have been knowledgeable about what was going on.
And in fact, I would expect they were.
But bear in mind, one thing I find interesting is, you know, in all the discussions of this, the people say, well, the CIA.
But then when you dig a little bit deeper, what you find out is that the President of the United States ordered the CIA to do XYZ.
So it's not like, you know, people like me were sitting in back rooms and coming up with these schemes.
This is the kind of stuff that all of a sudden you go in your office, as I have a couple times, and there's a telegram sitting on your desk, classified telegram sitting on your desk, coming from the White House or from the National Security Council saying, you're the guy on the ground there.
You speak the language.
We want you to convey this to XYZ.
That happens.
But the fact is that all of this stuff goes straight to the top.
And to exonerate a Joe Biden, a Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton never spoke to his intelligence people.
To exonerate Donald Trump after we already saw four years of the horrors that he was capable of.
I mean, this is incredible.
It boggles the mind.
And that's where this is coming from.
Well, what American president would have ordered the CIA to engage with Epstein?
Well, that's, again, another point.
I don't see the connection in terms of the people I knew in the agency.
You would have thought that some of them would be on the list.
And any of the lists that I've seen, the Dawson lists and other lists, I haven't seen any people that I recognized as coming from the intelligence community.
So, yeah, plenty of Israelis, plenty of American Jewish billionaires, all the kind of things you would expect if this is an Israeli run or an Israeli operation run with the compliance of the U.S. president to basically protect Israel.
We've been protecting Israel for, what, 75 years?
Yeah.
Does Mossad operate in the United States without the knowledge, consent, and approval of the United States government?
Sure.
Think of Jonathan Pollard.
Think of a more recent case.
Now, this is one of the most interesting stories.
Back a couple of years ago, you might recall, there was a discovery of all the streetlights around the Capitol building and near the White House had been, shall we say, wired.
Yes.
There was FBI reporting on this story in the Washington Post and the New York Times.
And one of the FBI investigators said, from the evidence that we've been able to collect, we believe this was done by Israel.
And then the story died.
It went away.
It never came back.
But it was there.
It was there briefly.
And this is like a couple years ago.
And they felt they had the wire, the Capitol, where they were listening in on phone calls.
They were listening in on, they were intercepting emails and that kind of thing.
And they were doing this methodically, systematically, out of their embassy in Washington.
And the story was made to die.
Under which president was this?
Biden?
Obama.
Wow.
Wow.
I don't know if you followed the saga of this Republican congressman who is Jewish from Florida, Randy Fine, who basically said of the starving Gazans, let them starve away.
Apparently, APAC, this is too much even for them, and they've washed their hands of him.
Here's the headline from the New Republic.
This just came out this afternoon.
Not even APAC wants to be associated with this GOP representative anymore.
APAC abruptly dropped Representative Randy Fine when he came out as pro the starvation of children.
This is a guy that Max Blumenthal approached in the Capitol building who attempted to brush Max off.
Imagine somebody being too much for AIPAC.
Yeah, if it's bad publicity, then APAC doesn't want it.
But the fact is this guy was well known.
He ran basically for Congress on a straight line that was anti-Muslim and pro-Israel.
And of course, this was near Palm Beach, wasn't it?
I think that's his district.
And it's a heavily Jewish district.
Wait a minute.
He might be Donald Trump's congressman.
Could he?
What a bitter irony that is.
Wow.
Would you agree that Israel and the United States are the greatest violators of human rights on the planet?
Well, there are probably some little countries like, you know, Sudan or something like that that could be categorized as something worse.
But if it's a matter of scale, in terms of how many millions of people the United States has killed since 9-11, or how many millions of people Israel would like to kill in the current context if they could get, well, they can't get away with it because the United States will cover for them.
But the fact is, you're going to have, there are, I think, 4 million Palestinians on the West Bank who are their lease is expired, shall we say.
And they're also the Gazans.
And you're talking about 5 or 6 million people.
They don't care if they kill them.
And Donald Trump doesn't care if they're killed either.
And I don't think any of our presidents of recent vintage have cared.
What kind of country have we become has to be the question that we all should be asking.
Right, right.
I think we've become a dark, very dark country with no sense of morality, with leadership that doesn't even respect the Constitution it swore to preserve, protect, and defend, which laws that are enforced or unenforced on a presidential whim,
with a Congress that is supine, that will look the other way when he starts wars, kills people, bombs people, arrests people in the streets by masked men and deports them without due process.
Well, you know, the country's in a terrible, terrible state.
I never thought I would see this.
Well, the thing is, I feel the move to deport people who are here illegally is perfectly legitimate.
But what I don't like, and I think you just alluded to that, is the fact they're doing this without any due process.
That's why sometimes they deport the wrong person.
They've deported Americans.
They've deported people that the courts ordered them not to deport.
Yeah, it's all because they fear due process because they don't have evidence of.
They're arresting without warrants.
The Fourth Amendment prohibits that.
And then when a judge, a state judge in Wisconsin tried to stop them, they arrested the judge.
Yep, yep, yep.
It's become, you know, like murder incorporated.
And it's both parties, which is maybe why people aren't enthusiastic about voting anymore.
Right.
Right.
Who was it?
Mark Twain?
Voting doesn't count.
If it did, they wouldn't let us do it.
Right.
Right.
Your friend, Gerald Celenti, sends his regards.
He has this great one-liner, which causes me sleepless nights, and that is when all else fails, they take you to war.
If Trump believes...
Well, because it might have been the Israelis.
And of course, we don't want to think that kind of thing.
Right, right.
And the fact is, instead of that, we go after Iraq country that had nothing to do with it.
And we killed, what, half a million of them?
Right.
But if Trump believes he's about to be engulfed by the Epstein scandal, would you put it past him to start a war, to bomb Tehran under some pretext?
No, I would not put it past him.
I would not put it past Netanyahu to use their nukes too.
I mean, here we've got the two most dangerous countries in the world in terms of the damage they could do.
And they have a free ride.
Wow.
All right, Phil, before we get any gloomier, thank you.
Thank you, my dear friend.
I love these conversations because of their tremendous candor.
And I know the audience does, the viewers do as well.
Thank you very much, Phil.
I'm glad we're back at our usual time slot together.
I look forward to seeing you next week.
Absolutely.
See you then.
Thank you.
Sure.
All the best, of course.
And coming up tomorrow, Thursday, at 8 in the morning, our old pal, Colonel Tony Schaefer.
At 11 in the morning, our old pal, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson.
At 3 in the afternoon, my dear friend, Professor John Mearsheimer.
And if we can find him, we don't know where he is on the planet, Pepe Escobar.
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