Feb. 9, 2025 - Judging Freedom - Judge Andrew Napolitano
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| Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. | |
| Today is Monday, February 10th, 2025. | |
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| Ray McGovern, welcome here, my dear friend. | |
| I want to spend some time talking to you about Mossad. | |
| Do its senior folks tell Netanyahu what they think he wants to hear, or do they give him the actual intel? | |
| In other words, do they play the same games with him that the CIA and others play with the President of the United States? | |
| It's really hard to tell, Judge. | |
| I really don't know. | |
| But my suggestion would be that Netanyahu can take bad news as well as good news. | |
| Netanyahu decides with his cabinet. | |
| So Mossad more likely than not keeps him apprised of the real situation. | |
| That's mostly a guess on my part. | |
| We know that they spy on the White House. | |
| Do you think they told him in advance what Trump was planning to announce the other day? | |
| Well, Judge, I don't buy the notion that Netanyahu is totally surprised. | |
| There are also reports that he compared, or the Israeli cabinet was talking about this before. | |
| Before Netanyahu came in outline. | |
| Now, it may have been a surprise that Trump said it exactly at that time. | |
| It was probably a draft kind of proposal. | |
| But I think that he was prepared. | |
| And, you know, the real riddle here is who has leverage over whom? | |
| Yes, that is the riddle. | |
| Is Netanyahu under Trump's thumb or is Trump under his thumb, right? | |
| Ah, okay. | |
| Well, I think I just heard Alistair say that Trump has Netanyahu totally under his thumb. | |
| Now, you know, it's really hard to disagree with an expert on the area, but I don't know if it's that clear. | |
| And what is never mentioned, Judge, is that seven, some people say eight billion dollars, Congress is going to approve for 2,000-pound, 1,000-pound bombs for Israel. | |
| Billion dollars, supplemental, okay? | |
| Now, what does that say? | |
| Well, that says that whether or not Netanyahu bends to his rightist cabinet advisors and does not implement phase two and three, Congress is going to give them seven to eight. | |
| So that suggests to me that Netanyahu is more clever still than Trump, and that if Congress approves this, which they undoubtedly do, what is Trump going to do then? | |
| Say, oh no, we hold that because he's not obeying our orders. | |
| Trump doesn't care about the hostages, neither does Netanyahu, neither does his right-wing people in his cabinet. | |
| They're going to meet tomorrow. | |
| And the question will be, in my view, how strong the sentiment is in Israel to get the rest of the hostages out? | |
| There are only about 33 left, I think. | |
| And how strong, on the other hand, is 80% support for doing in the rest of the Palestinians in Gaza? | |
| Ethnic cleansing. | |
| That's the figure. | |
| 80% of the Israelis support that. | |
| What Trump has done is given Netanyahu a distraction, a major distraction. | |
| What I'm going to do, I'm going to own God. | |
| Well, that's total BS, okay? | |
| But what Netanyahu does with this seven to eight billion more dollars, well, it's not going to repatriate or remove Palestinians. | |
| It's going to kill them. | |
| And that's the objective here. | |
| Exterminate them. | |
| If the Arab countries won't take them, and whose fault it will be? | |
| It will be the Arab countries for not taking in the Palestinians. | |
| It's that bad, in my view. | |
| When you quoted Alistair Crook, who did say earlier today on this program that Trump has Netanyahu under his thumb, one of the viewers wrote in and said, Mrs. Adelson has Trump under her thumb. | |
| Alistair also recounted the presence of Mrs. Adelson in the White House when Prime Minister Netanyahu was meeting privately with President Trump without the U.S. Secretary of State. | |
| A bit of a mystery to me if he's really the Secretary of State or he's just the Secretary of State for Latin America. | |
| Another topic. | |
| Judge, I don't know how this works, but can Mrs. Adelson put a stop on all that money she gave Trump? | |
| I don't know. | |
| It's probably in Trump's bank account. | |
| I think it's already been spent. | |
| What leverage does she have now? | |
| I dare say that the right wing in Netanyahu's cabinet, and they're all going to be meeting tomorrow, so I think that's a fateful day. | |
| And only a couple more weeks for the phase one to be implemented. | |
| Phase one may be implemented in full. | |
| The Israelis seem to be withdrawing from that corridor now. | |
| So for all intents and purposes, they are going to observe phase one. | |
| But having promised these guys who, if they leave the cabinet, Netanyahu ends up in jail, having promised them in a secret... | |
| Which we all know about, and certainly Trump knows about, that he's not going to abide by phase two or three. | |
| Well, I suggest that Netanyahu will prevail on this, and he'll say to his colleagues, as he said on tape 25 years ago, you know, it's amazing. | |
| The Americans support us. | |
| It's absurd, his word, how far the Americans will go to support us. | |
| And I think... | |
| Here's Trump either on his way to or home from the Super Bowl aboard Air Force One yesterday, restating his will to buy and own Gaza even though Steve Witkoff, | |
| his Middle East advisor, said the process would take 10 to 15 years to achieve. | |
| Chris, cut number one. | |
| Steve Witkoff said that process would take 10 to 15 years. | |
| Does your commitment to rebuilding Gaza extend beyond your time in office? | |
| I'm committed to buying and owning Gaza. | |
| As far as us rebuilding it, we may give it to other states in the Middle East to build sections of it. | |
| Other people may do it through our auspices. | |
| But we're committed to owning it, taking it, and making sure that Hamas doesn't move back. | |
| There's nothing to move back into. | |
| The place is a demolition site. | |
| Does anybody take this seriously? | |
| If he's going to buy it, he has to have a willing seller. | |
| Who's going to sell it to him? | |
| Well, presumably the Israelis will give him carte blanche to develop this real estate. | |
| You know, it's really crazy. | |
| I think that Alistair Crook is right in suggesting this is shock value, okay? | |
| This is to shock people into realizing that Trump is really in control and how are you going to deal with it? | |
| My concern is with the effect among Israeli leaders. | |
| I think they see this as a demonstration of a hundred and... | |
| 50% support from Trump, and that's very noxious in my view. | |
| Do you think that this is somewhat of an insult to Netanyahu by basically saying, you couldn't deal with Gaza, you couldn't straighten it out, we'll do it? | |
| I don't think so, Judge. | |
| I think that Netanyahu is in a tough place. | |
| As we know, Hamas still exists. | |
| They're armed to the teeth and they can release hostages that are emaciated. | |
| And when the Israeli populace looks at this and says, oh my God, they're emaciated. | |
| Well, that's because there's no food in Gaza, right? | |
| Okay, there's no food there for anybody, emaciated Israelis or Gazans. | |
| This is a lot of PR that's going on. | |
| You've got to get back to reality here. | |
| Yeah, emaciated. | |
| Is there a lot of pressure to free the other ones? | |
| Yes, there is. | |
| And I think there are about 33 that are still alive. | |
| And I think it's a safe bet that that may happen in the next three weeks before the phase one ends. | |
| But what happens after that? | |
| I see this 7 and 8 billion new arms aid. | |
| What are they going to bomb? | |
| Gaza is already destroyed, isn't it? | |
| Well, Judge, there was a very interesting article over the weekend which shows that these bunker buster bombs emit carbon dioxide over a very large radius. | |
| What does that mean? | |
| That means people hiding in tunnels. | |
| People who are still hiding in basements, most of them will succumb to the carbon monoxide, okay? | |
| So, you know, when I talk about exterminating the Palestinians in Gaza, I think that's the natural conclusion of what's going on. | |
| That will take a while. | |
| That might even take longer than Trump's term, but that's what's going on here because nobody's going to take these people. | |
| And they're not going to leave. | |
| I've been there. | |
| I've seen their determination. | |
| It is amazing. | |
| It dwarfs the kind of determination I've seen in other countries under similar circumstances. | |
| So Trump has also succumbed to the Israeli PR campaign. | |
| Here's a statement he made about what the hostages looked like, also on the same Air Force One, one of his two trips on Air Force One. | |
| No mention of the fact that the Israelis won't let food, medicine, water through into Gaza. | |
| This is a little unpleasant, what he says, but here he is, cut number two. | |
| Hamas has been a disaster. | |
| And by the way, I have to tell you that I watched the hostages come back today, and they look like Holocaust survivors. | |
| They were... | |
| In horrible condition. | |
| They were emaciated. | |
| It looked like many years ago, the Holocaust survivors, even the ones that came out earlier, they were in a little bit better shape, but mentally they were treated so badly. | |
| Who could take that? | |
| You know, at some point, we're going to lose our patience. | |
| When I see that scene that I saw today with people coming out of helicopters and airplanes that are emaciated, That looks like they haven't had a meal in a month. | |
| And I don't know how long we're going to take that. | |
| There you go. | |
| Yeah. Well, let the freaking trucks in, damn it. | |
| Yes. Biden, you know, the rest of them don't really care about starving people. | |
| Now, I feel particularly strongly about that because my ancestors starved, except the ones that... | |
| Produced me in Ireland under similar circumstances. | |
| So if you starve people to death, then if there are hostages there, do you really expect Hamas and others to treat the hostages with preference because they're Jewish? | |
| I don't think so. | |
| So, you know, I'm sorry. | |
| I get a little angry. | |
| I am Irish. | |
| No, no, no. | |
| Don't be sorry. | |
| I share your... | |
| Your anger. | |
| And I'm glad that you mentioned this as you did. | |
| And the president doesn't mention it. | |
| Very few people in the news media mentioned it at all. | |
| But let's look at it this way. | |
| This whole series of events from October 7th to the present proves that taking hostages works, doesn't it? | |
| Well... We've known that. | |
| Never have so many Israeli hostages been taken before. | |
| It certainly has worked in a sense for Hamas. | |
| Not only has that worked, but people forget about Ansar al-Allah, the Houthis. | |
| They're poised to resume their interdiction of traffic in the Red Sea. | |
| Max Blumenthal interviewed over the weekend one of the leaders of the Houthis, and he made very clear, yeah, we're holding our fire now, but as soon as it goes up again in Gaza, we're back doing what we do so well despite British, | |
| Israeli, and U.S. bombings on what's left of our country. | |
| I'm really unhappy with what you told me about the ancillary effect of these 2,000-pound bombs. | |
| This is genocide. | |
| So will Donald Trump get that moniker of Genocide Donald or maybe something that's alliterative? | |
| I don't know. | |
| Just like Biden got Genocide Joe. | |
| Genocide Joe is well-deserved. | |
| This will be real estate developer Donald. | |
| Even the mainstream media have normalized this outrageous proposal that Trump has made, which partly... | |
| Gets, in my view, Netanyahu off the hook, if only by distraction, okay? | |
| So the Americans are going to bail us out. | |
| They're going to give us eight billion bucks. | |
| They're also going to take off a Gaza forest. | |
| We don't have to worry about it. | |
| Give me a break. | |
| It's so transparently PR and so transparently deleterious for the Palestinians that remain in Gaza. | |
| Well, that makes me very sad and very angry. | |
| Do you think that Netanyahu recognizes that Trump's proposal is a stunt that it couldn't possibly come to pass? | |
| Oh, I'm sure he does, yeah. | |
| In my view, Netanyahu, whatever you think of him, is cleverer by half than Donald Trump. | |
| So he rolls with the punches. | |
| He's a survivor, okay? | |
| He can deal with this the more so. | |
| That Mrs. Adelson is still around, then the Congress is the best Congress that Israeli money can buy. | |
| Well, let me go back to the Mossad. | |
| Does the Mossad spy on Netanyahu? | |
| It wouldn't be the Mossad. | |
| It would be their domestic equivalent of the FBI. | |
| Shin Bet. | |
| Yeah, Shin Bet. | |
| I imagine they do. | |
| It's like MI5 in Britain. | |
| They've been known to spy on their own prime minister. | |
| We know that for sure. | |
| So, yeah, there are always all kinds of electronic ways to keep track of what your prime minister is doing. | |
| And I suppose there's some... | |
| I think he'll survive this meeting tomorrow of the National Security Cabinet, and they'll be on their way to exterminating what's left of the people in Gaza. | |
| Does the American intelligence community spy on the president? | |
| On our president? | |
| Yes. There have been times in the past where NSA has been doing that. | |
| We know that from testimony from people who worked at NSA. | |
| Right now, with Trump in office, I'm convinced that it's extremely likely that people in the deep state are getting the take, are getting what NSA collects, | |
| perhaps inadvertently, when Trump talks to foreign leaders or when he talks to others. | |
| So my guess is, yeah, NSA knows more about what Trump is doing than anyone else except maybe, I don't know. | |
| Wow. Will Tulsi Gabbard have control over the intelligence community or just control over what data makes its way to the Oval Office? | |
| It depends, really, Judge, on how much support she gets from Trump and to what extent Trump is able to act more powerfully, more forcefully than he was during his first four years. | |
| He learned a lot. | |
| He's got people, maybe Kash Patel. | |
| I think his nomination hearing comes up on Thursday. | |
| Maybe he'll become head of the FBI. | |
| If that happens, he and Tulsi have the potential of making sure that the tricks that have happened before don't happen again. | |
| Will she be able to tell the president what directors of national intelligence are empowered to do by the legislation? | |
| Will she be able to review and comment on covert action proposals, which is part of that legislation that empowers her to do that? | |
| Well, we'll have to see. | |
| But she has the legal right to do that. | |
| And from what I know about Tulsi, she will at least try to do that, whether she succeeds or not. | |
| God knows. | |
| Trump himself. | |
| Is limited in how far he can go in limiting the power of the deep state. | |
| So AI has suggested nicknames for Trump. | |
| Despot Don, Colonizer in Chief, Death Squad Don, Donald the Displacer. | |
| We'll see where all of it goes. | |
| Ray, thank you very much. | |
| Thanks for your time. | |
| We look forward to seeing you at the end of the week with Larry. | |
| Most welcome, Judge. | |
| All the best. | |
| Have a fine week. | |
| And the aforementioned Larry, of course, is Larry Johnson coming up at 11.30 this morning and at 4.30 this afternoon. | |
| The always worth waiting for, Scott Ritter. | |
| Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom. |
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