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Feb. 3, 2025 - Judging Freedom - Judge Andrew Napolitano
09:52
Ray McGovern : How Ineffective is Mass Surveillance?
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And I published a memo, 12th of December, 2016, when Trump was still president-elect.
And we showed that it was physically impossible.
The law of physics made it impossible for the Russians to have hacked into the DNC computers, and we not know about it.
That was gold standard then.
It's still gold standard.
And Bill is still pulling his hair out, saying they're doing it, and they continue to do it.
And, you know, in the spring of 2013, when Wolfgang Schmidt, who was a Stasi operator, after Ed Snowden's disclosure, he was like, what do you think, Wolfgang?
And he said, oh, this would be heaven in the Stasi.
We only had four telephone lines.
And if we wanted somebody else, we had to drop somebody else.
This would be heaven.
And then he said, and get this, folks, since the only way to prevent this from being used against you is to prevent it from being collected in the first place.
And that's it.
They don't read it all.
They don't listen to it all, but they have it on file.
If they want to get something on you, they've got it.
And I fear for those senators that are voting on Tulsi Gabbard and on Kash Patel.
They know that NSA's got it.
They know that the FBI's got it.
And it will be really a test of strength to see if they are able to exercise enough integrity to dismiss these attempts at blackmail, which are inevitable, mark my words, and vote the right way.
In my review, that's to approve both Kash Patel.
And Tulsi Gabbard.
But it's stacked against them, and this is precisely why.
And Alexander, I didn't want to say it before, but he lied through his teeth so many times.
Why was he not held accountable?
The deep state does not hold people accountable.
They're too afraid.
Justice Scalia told me, he and I were very close friends, the gift to me, that friendship during the last 10 years of his life.
That the court was being spied on by the NSA.
Is that true?
Does it surprise you to hear me recount that?
It wouldn't surprise me, Judge.
The mechanism might be this.
We have five I's, okay, since World War II.
England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States.
We probably would not have spied directly on the Supreme Court.
We would put out a little memo to our colleagues in the other four eyes saying, you know, we'd really like you to collect the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but the Supreme Court is considering.
Could you do that?
Now, am I making that up?
No. That's precisely what NSA ordered GCHQ, its British counterpart, to do before the attack on Iraq.
A month before, when it looked like the Security Council of the UN would not approve this, this fellow named Frank Kozer, it's in his email, thanks to Kathryn Gunn exposing it, he says,
look, we are told to surge all capability against all members of the UN Security Council, especially those non-permanent members in this period, because we want them to vote the right way.
That was done.
And we know that because one gutsy whistleblower said, that's against not only the Fourth Amendment of the United States, that's against morality.
She gave it to the London Observer.
They published it in two weeks.
This is kind of cute.
You know how they confirmed that it was genuine?
The Observer journalist called up NSA.
He said, I want to talk to Frank Kozler, please.
Nobody here by Frank Koza.
So he has his secretary call up in the afternoon.
Can you get me Frank Koza right away, please?
Just a second.
Frank Koza.
This is the London Observer.
So when you do this patriotic duty before the war, as Catherine Gunn did, you have a chance of preventing it.
In that case, it didn't work.
You may remember when...
A lot of people's noses were out of joint when I reported at Fox that GCHQ had been spying at the behest of President Obama and CIA Director Brennan on Donald Trump in 2015 and 2016.
And GCHQ went berserk over this.
Fox took me off air for 10 days.
My source was our friend Larry Johnson and others.
Larry outed himself, so I'm not revealing anything that wasn't revealed.
And then the Guardian of London published, that judge in New York that's getting all this, he's right, because four of the people who worked at GCHQ decided to spill the beans.
The CIA charter specifically prohibits The CIA from engaging in any surveillance in the United States, and it prohibits the CIA from having anything to do with law enforcement.
Now, those prohibitions were core to the creation of the CIA because many members of Congress of both parties were prepared to vote against the National Security Act of 1947.
Unless those prohibitions were in there, they didn't want to create...
Another SS like we had just defeated in World War II.
It's 1947.
The war is only two years over.
So those prohibitions are right there in the charter.
Not followed today, is it?
Well, they're not.
And it's not only that.
We have four extra eyes.
Not glasses or anything, but four allies that can do our snooping internally for us and pass the information to us.
There's one other thing here, Judge, with respect to the British and the 5i aspect.
Ratcliffe just recently released, Ratcliffe is a new CIA director, he released information saying that John Brennan sent out the names of 26 members of the Trump administration.
For people to collect on.
We sent that to GCHQ, the British equivalent of NSA.
And, you know, these things can be easily done not only by the electronic people, but by MI6 and all that kind of stuff.
And as you know, in a lead up toward the 2016 election...
The Democratic National Committee was employing British people like Steele to make up stuff about what Trump did way back when in a hotel in Moscow.
So it was that bad.
What really interests me now is whether Trump, if he gets Tulsi and if he gets cash confirmed, the cudgel will be...
And we'll have to see whether he's really got enough strength and enough support from people who have to come out of the woodwork to prevent this kind of violation of the statute of the law in 1947 that created the CIA.
Is the CIA physically located in every state house in the United States as two governors?
Independent of each other told me.
They're former governors.
They were governors at the time.
Yeah, governor of Minnesota, I believe, right?
Well, Jesse Ventura is one of them.
He's publicly admitted this.
The other one, I won't give you his name, a well-regarded governor of a northeastern state.
Well, Jesse is kind of a mercurial person, but on this, why doubt what he says?
He talks about these guys come in and they say, now this is the real deal.
This is how we operate here.
Even Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has said that publicly.
He said, you know, I've worked with three or four U.S. administrations, and all the newly elected presidents sound really good, and they say we want good relations.
And then the people with the little briefcases and the dark glasses and the suits, just like I'm wearing, says Putin.
Ray McGovern, thank you,
my dear friend.
Always a pleasure.
Thank you for letting me pick your brain on this sensitive subject.
We look forward to seeing you with Larry Johnson at the end of the week.
Thanks, George.
Of course, all the best.
The aforementioned Larry Johnson, of course, will be here at 1130 this morning.
Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom.
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