Jim Fetzer - Makia Freeman on "The Cult of the Chosen Ones"
Aired: 2026-04-19
Duration: 01:01:04


=== Cult of the Chosen Ones (09:18) ===

[00:00:02]  Welcome to Truth Jihad Audiovisual.
[00:00:04]  I'm Kevin Barrett.
[00:00:05]  I've been doing radio for what is it now?
[00:00:08]  Like 20 years, almost 20 years, and audiovisual for a little less than that, and try to bring on people who've done interesting writing for the most part.
[00:00:17]  This is basically translating good writing into audiovisual.
[00:00:21]  And we have a brand new book to discuss today on a topic that I'm interested in.
[00:00:26]  And that would be I've got Makia Friedman here to talk about Cult of the Chosen Ones.
[00:00:34]  And guess what cult that would be?
[00:00:36]  I can imagine.
[00:00:37]  So, hey, Maki, how are you?
[00:00:39]  Good, thanks, Kevin.
[00:00:40]  Thanks for having me on.
[00:00:41]  Okay.
[00:00:41]  So, yeah, Cult of the Chosen Ones.
[00:00:45]  It sounds like a science fiction novel.
[00:00:47]  Who is it?
[00:00:49]  The comedian, Dave, what's his name, who talks about the Space Jews, right?
[00:00:54]  Cult of the Chosen Ones from outer space.
[00:00:56]  You could do it in science fiction, but it's almost that crazy even just here on Earth.
[00:01:00]  So, why don't you introduce yourself and then tell us how you came to write this book?
[00:01:05]  Sure.
[00:01:05]  So I've been studying the global conspiracy full time since 2007.
[00:01:09]  I've written five books, and this is my fifth one.
[00:01:12]  And it's very comprehensively researched.
[00:01:16]  It has 900 footnotes and 700 pages.
[00:01:19]  And what I wanted to do with this book is tell the story of and connect the dots of how this cult that hides behind Judaism actually arose and what happened, how it kind of gained strength throughout the ages.
[00:01:32]  It came down from BC times through the Middle Ages and then up into Europe.
[00:01:37]  And then it started really accelerating with these two fake Jewish messiahs, and then how the second one of them linked up with the Rothschild family.
[00:01:44]  And then it started getting into all sorts of organizations and agencies and governments and creating things, and it took over the world.
[00:01:51]  And so we're seeing the effects now in our age.
[00:01:54]  Whenever we see these big events like political assassinations or false flag operations, it's this cult that's behind it.
[00:02:01]  And also, just if you look at the history of the 20th century and all these major events, like the revolutions and Things like that.
[00:02:10]  It's also, you can find the hand of this cult behind it.
[00:02:12]  So I wanted to connect all those dots and then bring it right up to the current times with the genocide in Gaza, the Iran war, and just show that it's pushing forward towards its crazed agenda.
[00:02:24]  And we still have time to stop it, but the amount of control it exerts over the world is really tremendous, unfortunately.
[00:02:33]  Right.
[00:02:33]  Well, let's talk about what precisely is this cult, right?
[00:02:37]  Cult of the Chosen Ones.
[00:02:39]  Your title makes it sound like that could be Judaism, which.
[00:02:43]  Notoriously, of course, does have this notion of being God's chosen people built right into it.
[00:02:48]  But then we've also got Sabbatian Frankism, this kind of satanic, messianic millenarian heresy that blew up starting several centuries ago and is maybe behind the Rothschilds.
[00:03:03]  And then, of course, we have Zionism, this modern political movement influenced by both of those other two.
[00:03:09]  So we have Judaism, we have satanic, messianic, millenarian madness of the Sabbatian Frankist variety, and then we have Zionism.
[00:03:18]  So your cult of the chosen one, sort of, which is it or what is it?
[00:03:23]  Well, ultimately, I believe if you really dig down deep into it, it's a satanic cult.
[00:03:29]  And it manifests itself through definitely Sabbatian Frankism, which is a big part of how it's played out in the world.
[00:03:37]  But ultimately, I would say it's even beyond that because these are the people that we have all these references to Baal and Molech and worshiping strange gods and child sacrifice and all of this from ancient times.
[00:03:52]  And so it goes back even further than I traced in this. Book, thousands of years BC, and who knows when this whole thing started.
[00:04:00]  But I pick up how it started to manifest itself within Judaism.
[00:04:05]  Now, some people would argue that it's actually created Judaism.
[00:04:10]  Other people would say, well, no, it was more like a sect within Judaism that felt like they were the chosen ones, and this sect basically took over Judaism or it basically carried it forward.
[00:04:20]  It depends really which source you listen to.
[00:04:22]  But basically, this idea of the chosen ones is a very Insidious idea because if you think that you're chosen, there's supremacy baked into that idea.
[00:04:33]  It's hard to believe that you're chosen and yet still believe that all humans are equal and afford people the respect and the rights if they're outside of your little clique or group.
[00:04:44]  It's interesting when people that are non Jewish interview Jews these days and they say, you know, tell me about this idea of the chosen ones.
[00:04:50]  And I see a lot of backpedaling by Jewish rabbis and other Jewish scholars or experts, and they try to say, well, You know, it doesn't mean that we're better.
[00:04:58]  It just means that we're chosen for a particular mission.
[00:05:01]  And everyone's chosen for a mission.
[00:05:02]  Everyone's called to do something.
[00:05:04]  So, and they try to kind of play it off like it's no big deal.
[00:05:08]  But ultimately, I don't really see how you can believe that and then still, you know, treat everyone equally.
[00:05:18]  I think it's a real problem, this idea in the first place.
[00:05:21]  And some people say, well, isn't that just part of like some Jewish books?
[00:05:25]  You know, we've got the Talmud and the Torah and the Kabbalah.
[00:05:28]  And no, it's actually baked into all three of those Jewish holy books, whichever one you follow.
[00:05:33]  There's always this idea of Jewish supremacy.
[00:05:36]  And then when I see it play out, when I actually see some people talk about it, some Jews, I mean, it's basically the basis for their worldview and how they conduct themselves in the world.
[00:05:46]  They have their whole world split up into Jew and Goy, and they've got completely different systems of morality and respect for whatever class you're in.
[00:05:57]  And then I see other people that are called Jewish, they're so called Jews, but they don't.
[00:06:01]  You know, they reject this chosen people ideology.
[00:06:04]  A couple of examples would be Gideon Levy, who's a great journalist who writes for Haaretz.
[00:06:09]  I've seen, I've seen, I like his work and I've seen him speak.
[00:06:12]  And he's like, you know, this is one of our major stumbling point as Jews.
[00:06:15]  We have to, we have to give up this stupid idea and just throw it away.
[00:06:18]  And then other Jews, such as Professor Shlomo Sand, who's written a couple of really incredible books, such as The Invention of the Jewish People, he also disavows this idea.
[00:06:28]  So I want to be, I want to be just clear that I don't, I don't lump all Jews into this.
[00:06:33]  Maybe there are some Jews that feel like they can still believe in this and at the same time treat everyone equally.
[00:06:38]  But there are definitely some Jews who are like, this idea is kind of poisonous completely.
[00:06:42]  And I think it's an impediment to being a good person.
[00:06:47]  Well, you know, theoretically, it would be possible to believe that your group had been chosen by God for service, to serve humanity and be even more humble than everybody else and, you know, work harder for the common good than anybody else.
[00:07:02]  That actually would be a great idea.
[00:07:04]  That would be, I would love that kind of group.
[00:07:06]  But I think, unfortunately, it seems that mainstream Judaism has taken the opposite approach and it believes that actually the Goyim cattle were created to serve the master race Jews.
[00:07:18]  And so, yeah, it's, it's, Definitely not the way it manifests in reality most of the time is not so good.
[00:07:25]  And I think one of the most interesting and insidious aspects of it is the way that this community, which believes itself chosen and then has this really seething hatred of outsiders, it's a really strong in group out group thing.
[00:07:40]  And of course, all groups have some of that, right?
[00:07:42]  We Green Bay Packers football fans hate the Bears, Chicago Bears, right?
[00:07:47]  That doesn't mean we're going to necessarily mistreat people from Chicago, but there's this in group out group kind of dynamic is common.
[00:07:54]  To all of humanity.
[00:07:56]  However, it seems to have gotten kind of exaggerated with this particular group, and they've been very successful at being sort of infiltrating different societies and then seizing hold of really nice, lucrative economic or socioeconomic niches.
[00:08:14]  And long distance trade is really a good one for them because if you're infiltrating several different societies around the world, then you have a huge advantage in engineering long distance trade with your co ethnics and engaging in ethnic nepotism.
[00:08:29]  So, we have this group that hates outsiders, engages in massive ethnic nepotism to seize control of the most lucrative and most advantageous and most desired kinds of socioeconomic niches.
[00:08:42]  And so, that situation, of course, the outsiders, if they understand this, they're going to push back.
[00:08:49]  And so, that's not good.
[00:08:50]  That's not good for the Jews, right?
[00:08:51]  Is it good for the Jews?
[00:08:52]  Is the first question that Uncle Jaime asks when he opens the Sunday New York Times and looks at the stories.
[00:08:58]  So, therefore, they have to come up with storytelling and narratives.
[00:09:03]  To distract us and to essentially obfuscate what they're really doing.
[00:09:08]  And I think the biggest problem here is that for millennia, they've been working on this talent for spinning these deceptive narratives to camouflage what they're really doing.

=== Lying to Distract Us (10:29) ===

[00:09:20]  And that, in other words, lying.
[00:09:22]  They've become really, really good at lying for Zion, lying for the tribal benefit.
[00:09:27]  And then when they take over the media, as they have in the West, and impose their lies on the whole society.
[00:09:36]  Take over the money printing system.
[00:09:39]  And, you know, that's, I think, a big part of the problems that we're facing today.
[00:09:44]  But the lying in the storytelling, the talent for the spinning things for tribal self interest in order to protect their ethnic nepotism racket seems to me to be the kind of the core of the problem.
[00:09:57]  What do you think?
[00:09:59]  Yeah, I mean, they lie as easily as they breathe, unfortunately.
[00:10:03]  So it's a big problem.
[00:10:06]  I would say, you know, if we look at what the definition of a cult is, part of some characteristics of a cult are that they get people away from whatever family or community they were once in and they get them into this new ideology or group.
[00:10:20]  And then they start saying, you know, there's normally like an ideology and a charismatic leader or leadership.
[00:10:26]  Then there's techniques and features like you bring the initiates into the cult and you.
[00:10:32]  You indoctrinate them, but you get them dependent on the cult and you get them loyal to the cult and you cut off their normal branches with friends or family or other people so that everything, they live and breathe the cult and they don't really have any other frame of reference or points of reference outside of it.
[00:10:47]  And ultimately, where you can really control people is you get to the point where they're willing to die or kill for the cult.
[00:10:53]  And that's what I really notice about this when you look at the people that work for Mossad or these pro Israel firsters where they only care about Israel and they don't seem to care about anything else.
[00:11:03]  And these aren't people that just live in Israel.
[00:11:05]  There's a lot of these people in America, these rich Jewish billionaires that are funding both sides of the political spectrum, that are working in Hollywood or they're working in the media.
[00:11:14]  They're in very high positions of power and they're like, all I care about is Israel.
[00:11:19]  That becomes super dangerous then because they're willing to kill or die for something which it's a very questionable cause in the first place.
[00:11:28]  And it's very different to any other country.
[00:11:30]  I heard Thomas Massey talking about this.
[00:11:32]  He's like, when you look at dual citizens, say, from Germany or Australia.
[00:11:37]  I'm Australian originally.
[00:11:40]  I've lived in America for a while.
[00:11:42]  I like Australia.
[00:11:43]  I have a fondness for it.
[00:11:44]  It's my home, but I can't imagine ever wanting to kill or die for Australia in the way that these Israelis did.
[00:11:50]  Some of them are so obsessed with Israel, Israel first.
[00:11:55]  And I've never met anyone from Germany or from France or from a lot of other countries that has that kind of obsession.
[00:12:00]  So it's just a very interesting question as well to analyze how did they get to this point?
[00:12:05]  What are they brainwashing their kids to say or do?
[00:12:08]  How do they get all these Jews?
[00:12:10]  To become so obsessed that they will kill or die for Israel.
[00:12:13]  And then, of course, they've got the classic technique in addition to the lying that you're talking about of just projection, psychological projection.
[00:12:20]  Every time some of these guys open their mouth, like Netanyahu, and they accuse Iran or Hamas or Hezbollah or whoever it is, the enemy of the day, they accuse them of something.
[00:12:30]  It's always actually a confession in disguise because what they're doing is projecting whatever aspect of their society or themselves that they don't like, they then put onto their so called enemy and they accuse it and they direct the attention onto the enemy and away from themselves.
[00:12:44]  A classic example is how they're always calling Iran the biggest state sponsor of terror when actually Israel is the biggest state sponsor of terror.
[00:12:51]  Or maybe something like Saudi Arabia, which behind the scenes works closely with Israel, on the surface pretends to be maybe opposed to Israel or neutral or whatever, but then behind the scenes they're whipping up Takfiri, Salafi, jihadists to go and invade their neighbors, including actually invade Iran, attack Iran.
[00:13:15]  Yeah, so there's a lying, there's a psychological projection, there's this cold like behavior of killing and dying.
[00:13:21]  They say their enemies would be really dangerous if they got a nuclear weapon.
[00:13:27]  Yeah.
[00:13:28]  What country is the one country that shouldn't have nuclear weapons and has tons of them?
[00:13:32]  And a country of like a billion people that has 400 nuclear weapons?
[00:13:38]  Well, it's all about Iran.
[00:13:40]  Oh my God, Iran might get nukes.
[00:13:42]  Saddam Hussein might get weapons of mass destruction, yada, yada, yada.
[00:13:45]  Yeah.
[00:13:46]  And I've had several Israeli.
[00:13:49]  Historians like Martin van Gradevelt hint, or maybe even more than hint, basically say if Israel ever got pushed into a corner where they would use their nukes.
[00:13:57]  We've had people like Jonathan Pollard, a recent clip came out of him talking about what happened in 1973 when it was during the Yom Kippur War.
[00:14:05]  And he was like, okay, so an Israeli jet came out onto the tarmac, onto the strip, and it had nuclear weapons under its wings.
[00:14:11]  And it was just like a message to the Americans of like, hey, we've got these and we're prepared to use them.
[00:14:15]  And he's like, then the next day, Henry Kissinger gave Israel the aid it needed.
[00:14:20]  So we've either had basically overt Suggestions, implications, or even statements of like, yes, Israel will execute the Samson option and use its nukes if we have to.
[00:14:29]  So you've got that kind of absolutely bonkers, absolutely crazy and psychopathic display while they're trying to say with a straight face that Iran shouldn't get nuclear weapons.
[00:14:40]  And recently, Trump has just gone absolutely crazy as well with all of his bombastic threats and tweets, unhinged rants.
[00:14:49]  And yet, the US has the second most nukes in the world as well.
[00:14:52]  So, how can these people possibly say with any kind of objectivity that?
[00:14:57]  You know, nukes only belong in the hands of like sane and rational and stable people when they say and act the way that they do.
[00:15:05]  I mean, it is nuts.
[00:15:07]  And another thing is just the constant way that Netanyahu and Israel are always saying, well, you know, these Arabs, these Muslims, I mean, they just teach all their kids to hate Jews right from when they're born and they just want to kill us all.
[00:15:20]  And yet, if you look at some clips that surface on the internet, you can see what happens in these Israeli classrooms where they're like, they're teaching the kids, okay, Arabs are bad.
[00:15:29]  What do you want to do when you grow up?
[00:15:30]  Oh, I want to get a gun and kill all Arabs.
[00:15:32]  Okay, good.
[00:15:33]  We've done our job.
[00:15:34]  You know, and yeah, a Jewish friend of mine in the United States had a brother who immigrated to Israel specifically to quote unquote kill Arabs.
[00:15:45]  Yeah.
[00:15:45]  Yeah.
[00:15:46]  It's so, you know, I see the influence of this cult like behavior on certain segments of Israeli society.
[00:15:55]  Also, you know, when people go to Israel from the West or from outside and they interview people on the street, it's not just something where, okay, the Zionist regime, the leadership is kind of full of hate.
[00:16:08]  There's a really, unfortunately, a large segment of Israeli society that has been so brainwashed that they're like, yeah, we support that.
[00:16:14]  We, you know, we should use nukes against these people or we should start a war or we should like, Genocide, Palestine, or whatever it is.
[00:16:21]  I think it's the amount of open love of and display of hatred is really disturbing.
[00:16:29]  It is.
[00:16:30]  Yeah, right.
[00:16:31]  They made a national hero of the guy who was raping a prisoner to death with a stick, right?
[00:16:37]  Huge demonstrations broke out and forced his release from prison.
[00:16:41]  And it looks like all those people are going to get off scot free because the dominant strain of thought in Israel thinks that they're national heroes for sodomizing people to death with sticks.
[00:16:52]  I mean, what a strange country.
[00:16:53]  And then they project that all and imagine that it's the Arabs and the Muslims who are so full of hate.
[00:16:57]  But I've honestly been hanging out with Muslims and Arabs for quite some time, and I've never met any who would ever say anything like, Oh, well, I want to go somewhere and kill Jews, right?
[00:17:09]  I want to move to the Levant so I can kill Jews, or I want to move to Brooklyn or Bronx so I can kill Jews.
[00:17:15]  It's unthinkable.
[00:17:17]  I've never heard anything like that.
[00:17:19]  But of course, it's just normal that my Jewish friend's brother would move to Israel to kill Arabs.
[00:17:24]  There's kind of a A disconnect.
[00:17:26]  And as you say, they're totally projecting it.
[00:17:28]  And then they're broadcasting their projections into the media.
[00:17:31]  So all the consumers of media believe this.
[00:17:34]  They believe it's actually the Arabs and the Muslims who are the psychos who want to go and kill the Jews.
[00:17:38]  And it's actually the reverse.
[00:17:39]  Yeah.
[00:17:41]  Yeah.
[00:17:42]  It's a big problem.
[00:17:43]  But, you know, it's interesting because what I tried to do in my book is find Jewish sources.
[00:17:47]  I actually tried to find Jews within Israel and those outside of Israel who could see this problem more objectively, who'd woken up from the brainwashing or it had never worked on them.
[00:17:56]  And there are a number of Jews who don't buy into this at all, whether it's Norman Finkelstein or Gilbert Atzman, or there's a lot of them who, you know, they're Jewish and whatever brainwashing they tried to do didn't work on them.
[00:18:10]  And they are openly critical.
[00:18:12]  And it's good to use sources like that because then you can't be accused of being anti Semitic.
[00:18:16]  You're actually taking.
[00:18:17]  Well, you can be accused.
[00:18:18]  Just wait and see.
[00:18:19]  Okay.
[00:18:20]  You can always be accused.
[00:18:22]  But when you've got Jewish people themselves, you know, talking about their inside view of the situation, you know, it carries a lot of weight.
[00:18:31]  I agree.
[00:18:31]  Yeah.
[00:18:32]  Some of the best critics of Jewish tribal ideology are people, Jews themselves, or people who grew up as Jews.
[00:18:38]  Some of them have called themselves ex Jews, like Henry Herskovitz of Ann Arbor, Michigan, a friend of mine.
[00:18:46]  And so he went to Palestine back when he was Jewish and was horrified by what he saw and decided somewhere along the line he didn't want to be Jewish anymore.
[00:18:54]  And so he's a very straightforward critic of Jewish ideology.
[00:19:00]  And then Gilad Atzman isn't sure whether or not he's still Jewish.
[00:19:04]  He's kind of.
[00:19:05]  He's not going to say he is, but he's not really going to be like Henry and say, no, I'm not at all.
[00:19:11]  So, yeah, there are a long list of people like that.
[00:19:16]  And, you know, I guess I'm sort of like that with regard to my American upbringing, right?
[00:19:20]  I grew up with a certain ideology in America and quickly discovered there were some serious problems with it, whether it was Vietnam, whether it was the Kennedy assassination or what have you.
[00:19:30]  And then ultimately, 9 11.
[00:19:32]  You know, I've very much become what people would say, you know, I'm a harsh critic.
[00:19:37]  Of my American tribe.
[00:19:39]  And there are Jews like that too.
[00:19:40]  But the Jewish tribe is, let's face it, a lot more cult like, a lot more intense, a lot more hating of outsiders than most other tribes, including Americans.

=== Trauma Based Mind Control (05:08) ===

[00:19:50]  And getting back to that cult status, what are some of the techniques that they use?
[00:19:56]  Because you mentioned that cults take people and basically cut them off from their families and their upbringings and their normal culture.
[00:20:03]  And with Jews, of course, Jews grow up in a Jewish milieu, the Jewish family.
[00:20:09]  And they get sent to Jewish summer camp and they might go to a Jewish school.
[00:20:12]  And, you know, they say that, well, if you ever forget that you're a Jew, then some boy will remind you, whether or not that's true, but some say that.
[00:20:20]  But the question is so, how do you get the cult dynamic going with somebody who's not being separated from their earlier culture and put into this brand new, you know, culture of the Moonies or the MEK, right?
[00:20:32]  That crazy Iranian communist cult or whatever.
[00:20:35]  But instead, these are people just born into an ethnicity.
[00:20:38]  And yet, Their upbringing puts them into this cult dynamic.
[00:20:42]  What's the key?
[00:20:43]  I've always thought that circumcision played a big role in this because there's a school of psychology that John Bowlby founded, which is called Attachment Theory.
[00:20:52]  And Bowlby and many, many other scholars and scientists, researchers discovered that the human personality is powerfully affected by its relationship with its caregivers very early in life, and specifically its bonding with the mother, and that a disrupted attachment to the mother.
[00:21:13]  Is correlated with people having huge problems in life, criminality, drug addiction, and being miserable and things like that.
[00:21:24]  Anyway, it's clear that early in life, anything that causes this insecure attachment is likely to create big problems and powerfully affect personalities in a bad way.
[00:21:36]  Well, when you do this circumcision at like one week, which is an extremely painful kind of thing, you know, you call it a form of ritual abuse, even, and that the mother allows the child to be taken away and mutilated like that, she herself is always going to feel guilty.
[00:21:56]  And then we'll overcompensate with the Jewish mother syndrome.
[00:21:59]  Whereas the baby will have a lifelong unconscious memory of this horrific abuse.
[00:22:04]  But of course, they were too little to make any sense of it.
[00:22:06]  So it'll just be very deep, unconscious, and very vague and inchoate.
[00:22:10]  And they're going to be then inculturated throughout their lifetime that there's this evil stranger who wants to come and do terrible things to you.
[00:22:20]  He wants to throw you in gas chambers, he wants to throw you in the sea, and so on.
[00:22:25]  But that image of the evil stranger who did something terrible.
[00:22:29]  To the baby is going to be deep in the baby's mind and emotions.
[00:22:33]  And once again, we're going to get that projection where that act of ritual abuse will then become projected on the goy.
[00:22:42]  And so the member of this cult, the Jew, will then imagine that the evil goys are out to do terrible things to me and then project that fear and horror from their circumcision anxiety or what have you, their circumcision trauma.
[00:22:56]  So it's a form of trauma based mind control, in my opinion.
[00:22:59]  And I think the one thing, if you know, the final solution to the Jewish problem.
[00:23:04]  It's obviously not gas chambers.
[00:23:05]  E. Michael Jones says that it's holy water.
[00:23:08]  He thinks that if you could just throw holy water on all the Jews and baptize them and make them Christians, that would fix them.
[00:23:14]  I think legal bans on circumcision during the first couple of years of life would do it.
[00:23:20]  I think that the next generation of Jewish people who grew up without that trauma would be profoundly different.
[00:23:29]  Instead of having 1% of them being like Gilad Atzman and Henry Herskovitz, they would almost all be that way.
[00:23:36]  And that's the end of the whole racket.
[00:23:39]  I think that's a very wise suggestion.
[00:23:40]  I think there's a lot to that, especially when you consider that circumcision involves touching the genitals, some stranger touching the genitals, like the most private and sensitive part of a human.
[00:23:50]  Not only that, but there's a blood sucking aspect where the rabbi sucks the blood from the wound.
[00:23:56]  So, I mean, the whole thing is disgusting.
[00:24:00]  And talk about like a primal wound.
[00:24:02]  So, yeah, what you're saying makes complete sense to me.
[00:24:05]  I think it would definitely have a huge impact, a healthier impact if it was banned.
[00:24:09]  And I think there's just too many things that get.
[00:24:12]  Become like either legal or culturally accepted under the rubric of religion when actually they're harmful or they've got elements of it's a satanic element, isn't it?
[00:24:22]  I mean, we're talking about like potentially wounding and blood drinking, we're bringing blood, you know, into what is meant to be a right, you know.
[00:24:32]  It's, yeah, it's a big thing for a small baby that's just come into the world.
[00:24:39]  So I agree with you completely there.
[00:24:41]  So that could be a big part of the dynamics that.
[00:24:44]  Allow for this indoctrination of somebody into a cult, a kind of a cult atmosphere.
[00:24:49]  What are some other things that you would point to in terms of the way that people are kind of indoctrinated in a cult like way?

=== The Epstein of His Time (07:29) ===

[00:24:58]  Well, I think, you know, obviously, not just within Judaism, but people that are good manipulators, religious or political manipulators, have always said, like, get them as young as possible.
[00:25:09]  So, an obvious one is just to get kids when they're young and then just present them a whole view of the world.
[00:25:14]  There's often elements of fear in it, like, oh, you know, there's a vengeful God and you have to do what that God says or you'll get judged or you get punished in the afterlife.
[00:25:22]  There's, you know, those kind of techniques.
[00:25:24]  But when people are older, you know, it's harder.
[00:25:27]  But there's certain people that are going to be more susceptible to a cult.
[00:25:30]  I mean, people that feel like they never belonged or.
[00:25:33]  People that feel like they're not worthy.
[00:25:35]  Normally, there's kind of like base fears people have of unworthiness, being unloved, unaccepted, and cults play on this.
[00:25:44]  Cult leaders figure out what the levers are where you can manipulate someone and bring them in.
[00:25:50]  I mean, I don't have one answer for this, but it is interesting when I've studied this to look at certain cases because there's even people that grew up American, and I'm thinking of someone like James Jesus Angleton.
[00:26:04]  Now, he's a central figure, a very, very important figure in the JFK assassination.
[00:26:08]  Somehow they got to him, even though he grew up American.
[00:26:12]  He spent time in Italy, in the OSS.
[00:26:14]  He came back to the CIA.
[00:26:15]  He worked his way up and became very, very high up in the CIA.
[00:26:19]  But somehow, during the 1950s, when the Mossad was just being formed and the CIA was very young, they developed an early relationship and they started having an information intelligence and sharing program.
[00:26:30]  And somehow, Angleton got so caught up in the Jewish ideology and believing in Israel, and he started visiting Israel frequently.
[00:26:37]  He got to the point where he was even visiting Ben Gurion in his personal home after Ben Gurion had resigned.
[00:26:43]  This is in like the autumn of 1963.
[00:26:44]  And like, I'm almost certain from my research that this is actually where the JFK assassination was ultimately being planned.
[00:26:51]  I agree completely.
[00:26:51]  Yeah.
[00:26:52]  And so, how did, you know, I've always wondered how did they get Angleton into this cult?
[00:26:57]  Like, how did they get him to get to the point where he would basically kill or die for Israel?
[00:27:01]  I mean, look at all the crimes that guy committed.
[00:27:03]  I mean, first of all, the planning of the whole operation.
[00:27:06]  And then he was in charge of the cover up and he managed to get himself.
[00:27:09]  Appointed as like the CAA's liaison to the FBI so he could control everything the FBI knew in the aftermath.
[00:27:15]  He spent years setting up Lee Harvey Oswald as a patsy.
[00:27:19]  You know, he was in a position to cover it all up.
[00:27:23]  Now, I don't think he was just doing it for Israel.
[00:27:26]  I think there is, and I get into this in my book, I think there's another whole aspect because Angleton was also the gatekeeper for the CAA's UFO and alien files.
[00:27:35]  So he was, I mean, he was the head of counterterrorism, right?
[00:27:37]  So he was like the mole hunter, but he was also in charge of that and making sure that that information didn't get out.
[00:27:42]  So he had that.
[00:27:43]  You're hunting alien moles too?
[00:27:45]  I didn't know that.
[00:27:46]  Well, there had been the crash in Roswell in 1947, and then there'd been a steady stream of events that had started to be happening.
[00:27:55]  And there was a whole behind the scenes tussle going on between Kennedy and a committee called MJ 12.
[00:28:01]  And traditionally, it had just been set up, and the head of MJ 12 was the head of the CIA, whoever it was at that time.
[00:28:07]  So for a while, it was Alan Dulles, who was very, very close to Angleton and basically his mentor.
[00:28:14]  But Angleton was in charge of making sure that none of that information got out to lowly people on the totem pole like presidents.
[00:28:22]  So he had a dual motivation.
[00:28:24]  But nonetheless, I mean, it's surprising when you have ostensibly non Jewish people like him doing Israel's bidding, to the point where there was a Mossad head who said that James Jesus Angleton was the biggest Zionist of all in all of Washington, D.C.
[00:28:38]  It seems that Protestants have more of a weakness for this than Catholics and maybe even secular people or people who come out of that Protestant background that Angleton did.
[00:28:48]  But also, I think the maniacal anti communism of the era might explain part of it.
[00:28:53]  Like, Engleton apparently, at least what he said, was that he saw Israel as this sort of bulwark against the spread of communism.
[00:29:01]  And so, a lot of people at that time saw communism as a revolutionary ideology that was linked to third world nationalism.
[00:29:11]  And American foreign policy mistook a lot of third world nationalism for communism.
[00:29:16]  For instance, in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh was more of a nationalist than a communist, but he was seen as part of this.
[00:29:23]  International communist conspiracy.
[00:29:25]  And that led to this demonization of him and his movement and this totally unnecessary war.
[00:29:31]  And we could see how unnecessary it was because it wasn't that long after it ended that the U.S. was back relatively friendly with Vietnam and helping it against China.
[00:29:40]  And so the same thing, I think, with possibly with Engleton.
[00:29:45]  That is, Engleton was, he probably was a fanatical Cold War warrior.
[00:29:51]  And the Israelis convinced him that they were useful.
[00:29:55]  They tapped into that.
[00:29:56]  Yeah, you're right.
[00:29:56]  You're right.
[00:29:57]  Because I think that does explain it.
[00:29:59]  But then when you dig even deeper and you look at, okay, so who was behind, well, let's take it right back.
[00:30:04]  Who was behind ultimately the invention of communism?
[00:30:07]  It was the Rothschilds, who were the key Sabbatian, Frankist, satanic New World Order bloodline, right?
[00:30:13]  If you go way back to like the 1800s, I mean, by then they were already super powerful and they started funding people like Marx.
[00:30:19]  They started launching communism.
[00:30:20]  They launched the Russian Revolution.
[00:30:22]  They were totally behind that.
[00:30:23]  And then even things like cultural Marxism that came out of the Frankfurt School, again, they were behind those kind of things.
[00:30:28]  So, they'd already whipped up this whole ideology and then they were able to play off the two sides, which they've always done throughout history capitalism, communism.
[00:30:36]  So, yeah, you're right.
[00:30:38]  They had made this boogeyman out of communism, it had spread around different countries, and then they were able to whip up this fear of communism.
[00:30:46]  And interestingly enough, when you had the whole McCarthy hearings during the 50s, guess who McCarthy's kind of right-hand man or his aide was?
[00:30:53]  Well, it was none other than Roy Cohn.
[00:30:55]  Who had created Donald Trump?
[00:30:57]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:30:59]  Trump's mentor, which explains part of why Trump is just so owned by the Zionists.
[00:31:04]  But Roy Cohn was basically like an Epstein.
[00:31:06]  He was the Epstein of his time.
[00:31:07]  He was running around doing this sexual blackmail stuff.
[00:31:09]  I feel like the little boys instead of the little girls.
[00:31:13]  Yeah.
[00:31:16]  So I find another aspect of this cult when I study the history closely is that they like to invent ideologies and then control people through ideologies.
[00:31:25]  But they're brilliant at using communism and getting people to think, oh, communism is the bad guy.
[00:31:30]  When actually, they created communism in the first place and then they use that to get people onto their side.
[00:31:36]  They pose as kind of like, we're anti communists and you should join with us so we can fight communism.
[00:31:45]  When actually, it's just a way of getting ordinary Americans, ordinary people in the West into their agenda of supporting Israel against all the Arabs or whatever their agenda is.
[00:31:55]  And I mean, they still do that today to some degree, but their whole story of Israel is a bastion of rationality and Western values against Muslim and Arab barbarian hordes, they've been saying that for decades and decades.
[00:32:09]  And it's kind of broken down because there are a lot of people that completely see through this now and go, you know what, Israel is the problem.
[00:32:16]  Iran's not the problem, Muslims aren't the problem.
[00:32:19]  And why, you know, another part of this whole scam is getting, is promoting this whole concept of Judeo Christian values.

=== Judeo Christian Values Scam (08:59) ===

[00:32:28]  Have you heard them say that all the time?
[00:32:29]  Oh, you know, like the founding fathers embraced Judeo Christian values or this and this embrace.
[00:32:34]  And it's like, what does Judeo Christian values even mean?
[00:32:37]  Because when I look at Jewish values, I see values like, you know, chosen ones and extreme exclusivity and Jews better than everyone else and an embracing of You know, when you look at the Mossad and embracing of assassination and deceit and deception.
[00:32:53]  And what does this have to do with traditional Christianity?
[00:32:56]  It seems like it's completely at odds with it.
[00:32:58]  So you're trying to, they're trying to build a bridge between Jews and Christians so that they can get more people on board with their ultimate agenda.
[00:33:06]  And it's just more deception and it's more divide and conquer tactics.
[00:33:10]  Yes, I agree completely.
[00:33:11]  Well, the Islamic view, which also secular people could have a similar view just based on the historical evidence and so on, is that Jesus.
[00:33:22]  Uh, peace upon him was sort of a uh, the last Jewish prophet that is, that he you know, he was the Jewish messiah.
[00:33:29]  The Jews had always expected that their last prophet would be this anointed one or messiah who would lead them into their promised land or their ultimate state of utopia, which would consist basically of conquering the world and every Jew having 2,800 Jewish or non Jewish slaves.
[00:33:45]  At least that's the most dominant version of it.
[00:33:48]  Anyway, so they were waiting for this messiah who's a military conqueror, and then along comes Jesus who's born Jewish.
[00:33:55]  But who is, you'd have to say he's kind of a revolutionary, a spiritual, intellectual, spiritual revolutionary whose message goes diametrically against the values of the power hungry leadership of the Jewish tribe.
[00:34:11]  And this is the Quran actually tells us that all the prophets have been like this, that all prophets have been speaking truth to power against a self interested elite.
[00:34:22]  And that's the way, you know, and the Quran names probably the majority of the prophets that it names are Jewish ones leading up to Jesus, but it also names some non Jewish ones as well.
[00:34:32]  And then it says that all human communities have had these prophets who have come and brought the truth.
[00:34:38]  And they've always gone against the powerful, self interested, egotistical.
[00:34:43]  People like Pharaoh, like Trump, et cetera.
[00:34:46]  And that Jesus was the last one for the Jews.
[00:34:48]  That is, so that's the Islamic view that Jesus is really the final prophet of the Jews.
[00:34:53]  And the Jews have been rejecting and often killing their prophets forever.
[00:34:57]  And they tried to kill Jesus once again.
[00:35:00]  So the Jews today are the people who rejected Jesus and the last prophet of the Jewish people.
[00:35:06]  And so those people, sort of by definition, are no longer Jewish in the sense of actual worshipers of God.
[00:35:16]  In the classic sense, because they've rejected God's last Jewish prophet, as well as God's last prophet, period, Muhammad.
[00:35:24]  And so that's kind of the Islamic view, but it's not a view that non Muslims would find particularly strange if they do the historical digging.
[00:35:34]  So to me, I think it makes sense to think of Jesus as a kind of a revolutionary or at least very sharp reformer, the last prophet of the true values of love.
[00:35:50]  And truth and justice and so on against a tribe that has had this elite that's very self interested, very materialistic, very greedy, very amoral, manipulating its own people and others, very hateful, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:36:06]  So, a tribe with really evil leadership, and these prophets have kept coming up against it, speaking truth to power, having problems, if not being killed for it.
[00:36:15]  And then Jesus is the last one.
[00:36:19]  Does that view make sense to you?
[00:36:21]  I mean, it makes sense.
[00:36:22]  I'm not sure whether I personally believe it.
[00:36:26]  I also am open to other interpretations of the whole Jesus story.
[00:36:31]  I'm not sure if you know Adam Green in No More News.
[00:36:34]  I've met him on the podcast a few times.
[00:36:36]  Oh, okay.
[00:36:37]  Yeah.
[00:36:38]  I feel like he has some interesting points to make about his basic idea that he believes Jesus was like a Jewish invention and it came out of the Jews wanting to create a whole religion for the Goy.
[00:36:51]  And then to basically kind of lead them in.
[00:36:53]  Through the back door almost.
[00:36:55]  So, you know, there's different views of that.
[00:37:00]  I mean, Lauren Guyano just wrote an article along those lines too.
[00:37:03]  But not really.
[00:37:05]  Lauren Guyano, the author of Hermiaway, just published an article several days ago along those lines.
[00:37:11]  But I think his article actually was more.
[00:37:15]  I find Adam Green's argument unconvincing.
[00:37:20]  To me, it sort of lumps all sorts of things at a very abstract level.
[00:37:26]  But it really doesn't make that much sense that the Jews would.
[00:37:32]  Well, number one, how could they?
[00:37:34]  Is this really how things work in history?
[00:37:36]  Everything is being plotted behind the scenes.
[00:37:39]  For instance, I don't believe they created communism either.
[00:37:42]  The way I see it is that powerful interests always infiltrate and steer any movements that arise.
[00:37:51]  And so most movements are not created just out of nothing by any conspiratorial elite.
[00:37:59]  Most movements reflect the attitudes and ideas and aspirations of the people of the time that the movement arises.
[00:38:07]  And that movement is then always going to be glommed onto, joined, steered, and so on by all sorts of people.
[00:38:14]  And among those people, some very powerful, self interested people, in this case, members of this cult.
[00:38:19]  So, yeah, I would say that they.
[00:38:22]  But the idea that socialism, for instance, is invented by Jews as a conquer the world strategy, to me, is completely ridiculous because it's just.
[00:38:32]  It's so obvious that when you look back, you read about what the discussion was, you know, they say around 1800, 1850, and so on, that like it was normal for people to say, What's going on here?
[00:38:44]  Most people are just dirt poor, and this very small group of people has grabbed a huge share of the wealth.
[00:38:54]  How is that?
[00:38:54]  Is there a better way that we could arrange the production and distribution of goods and so on?
[00:39:01]  And it's like, so obviously that's a normal movement that arises.
[00:39:04]  And then, of course, you have things like Jewish bankers funding Trotsky, funding the Bolsheviks against the Mensheviks.
[00:39:13]  And so it becomes very, but it's not like, oh, they just invented this whole thing.
[00:39:18]  And likewise with Christianity, to me, it seems like if you were Jewish and going to invent a religion for the Goys, You wouldn't invent Christianity.
[00:39:26]  Christianity is very anti Jewish.
[00:39:28]  It's like more anti Jewish even than Islam.
[00:39:29]  Islam is really anti Jewish too.
[00:39:31]  And so Adam Green is completely, you know, he glosses over the fact that both Christianity and Islam are extremely harshly critical of Judaism and have led to societies that have penned up Jews and kept them from breaking out and taking over and wreaking havoc on the societies.
[00:39:53]  And it's the decline of those religions that has allowed.
[00:39:57]  The Jews to do that.
[00:39:58]  I mean, no sane historian would doubt that the secularization and the so called emancipation of the Jews, which meant, oh, now they can do anything just like any of us, that's what turned them loose to take over.
[00:40:13]  When Christianity was in charge, they were penned up.
[00:40:15]  They couldn't take over.
[00:40:16]  Everybody knew the score.
[00:40:17]  And, you know, same thing in the Islamic world.
[00:40:20]  And to some extent, the Jews in the Islamic world are still penned up, they are still under control.
[00:40:26]  People in the Islamic world still know the score on these things.
[00:40:29]  But to the extent that the Islamic world becomes secularized, the Jews take over, right?
[00:40:35]  So Adam Green has got it absolutely backwards.
[00:40:38]  Christianity and Islam are harshly anti Jewish, universal ethical movements that embrace universal ethics, the same universal ethics of all of the philosophers and prophets of all the perennial wisdom.
[00:40:53]  And they're against this Jewish supremacism.
[00:40:56]  So I think Adam Green has got it totally upside down and backwards.
[00:41:02]  Okay.
[00:41:03]  Yeah.
[00:41:03]  Interesting.
[00:41:04]  I mean, it's always interesting to analyze and discuss these things.
[00:41:07]  Let me say a couple of things in response.
[00:41:08]  The first is that I actually found evidence of there's a letter from one of the leading Rothschilds to Marx.
[00:41:16]  And I believe it's either a letter or a receipt where he's paying him some amount of money to help start writing a manifesto.
[00:41:23]  So, I mean, I think it depends.

=== Rothschild Letter to Marx (09:44) ===

[00:41:27]  You can always look at things in different ways, and you can absolutely look at history as like a natural flow of.
[00:41:33]  Conditions and societies that kind of adopted a certain idea and then it became a movement and then a counter idea arose and all of this.
[00:41:40]  And there's obviously, when you've got so many people in the world, there are movements that arise.
[00:41:45]  But for me, as a conspiracy researcher or analyst, I've just seen so much evidence over my time of all the different ways that social engineers at the very top are able to manipulate the collective masses and steer society that I have a very, you know, I obviously have a bias towards a conspiratorial view of history.
[00:42:03]  So, yes, there may have been like a movement.
[00:42:06]  You know, if you look at the roots of socialism and communism, it's like a kind of a natural desire for kind of wealth equality or justice.
[00:42:15]  And I can see how that would naturally arise in people.
[00:42:18]  But what they're really good at doing is taking natural impulses and steering them in a certain way.
[00:42:23]  So they may have noticed that impulse arising in people collectively and starting to become a movement.
[00:42:28]  And they might have gone, all right, we need our agents to kind of steer this.
[00:42:31]  We need to create an ideology so we can kind of control it.
[00:42:35]  And the whole scam of like, Communism slash socialism is that it's not really about achieving wealth equality because it's basically setting two groups against each other the super poor and like the middle class are the people that own the factories.
[00:42:48]  But meanwhile, the banksters and the people that are going to style themselves as the administrators of society don't mention those.
[00:42:58]  And they're the ones that end up ruling and taking charge of the society, whether it's like Lenin and Trotsky in Russia or other examples in other countries.
[00:43:06]  And of course, it ends up where you get a small amount of people running society.
[00:43:10]  No matter which system, whether it's capitalism or communism or any other ism, you know, ultimately they just want a small people at the top, their clique, their cult running society.
[00:43:20]  And so it ends up being a scam.
[00:43:23]  Right.
[00:43:23]  Well, I think those are two sort of separate issues that, yeah, that these kinds of manipulation you're describing exists.
[00:43:30]  But then there's another issue, which is that human society tends to be normally and naturally hierarchical to some extent.
[00:43:38]  And then these natural hierarchies, which are pretty relaxed and fluid in sort of quote unquote primitive tribal people that live in these relatively small groups, and you probably would only know 100, 150 people very well at all.
[00:43:50]  You know them pretty well.
[00:43:51]  And people outside that group would be strangers from other tribes that.
[00:43:54]  You might trade with, or you might have wars with, and so on.
[00:43:57]  And in those situations, the hierarchies can be pretty fluid and stuff.
[00:44:01]  And then there's a strong support the less capable people ethic.
[00:44:06]  So there's more of an egalitarian situation.
[00:44:08]  But then when you get these more complex societies with so called civilization, you always are going to have these hierarchies, and you're going to have a few people sort of at the top giving the orders.
[00:44:19]  The orders come down through these different levels of bureaucracy.
[00:44:22]  And all complex societies have been like that.
[00:44:25]  And that happens whether there's Jews or no Jews, whether they're socialists or communists or no socialists or communists.
[00:44:33]  But in terms of the way that Jews have infiltrated socialism and communism and used it and steered it, yeah, that's true.
[00:44:42]  I think, though, the way they've done that in part has been they saw these movements for a more just economic order.
[00:44:50]  And the tendency for Jews was sort of, well, how can we make this good for the Jews?
[00:44:54]  Well, the way you make it good for the Jews is.
[00:44:58]  You use these movements to attack the traditional social order of the non Jews.
[00:45:04]  And the first thing you're going to attack is religion, because religion is absolutely core and crucial to every social group.
[00:45:11]  And that the French sociologist Emmanuel Todd has written beautifully about this recently.
[00:45:20]  He's the last great European intellectual, with the possible exception of Laurent Guyaneau.
[00:45:24]  And I highly recommend reading Emmanuel Todd extensively on this.
[00:45:30]  So, I think Jews have actually used the atheistic aspect of Marxian socialism to attack the religious structure of societies.
[00:45:41]  That may have even been going on with the French Revolution, which had a very strong anti religious component as well.
[00:45:47]  And likewise, the attacks on sexual morality, in other words, family values, have also been used to weaken the Goy societies.
[00:45:55]  And we certainly see that.
[00:45:57]  That's why one of the reasons birth rates have collapsed.
[00:46:00]  It's not the only one, though, because we see this happening in societies less influenced.
[00:46:04]  By these kinds of ideologies.
[00:46:06]  But anyway, yeah, I agree that that's happening, but I don't see it sort of as a universal conspiratorial thing, nor do I see the Jewish cult or whatever you want to call it as being in charge of everything everywhere.
[00:46:20]  Okay, yeah, I mean, there's different views.
[00:46:22]  One interesting thing is that when the second of these two fake messiahs, who was Jacob Frank, came in to eventually make his way out of the Middle East through Poland into Germany and ended up in Frankfurt, then he made an alliance with the Rothschilds.
[00:46:34]  There was also a third guy involved called Adam Weishaupt, who started the original order of the Illuminati in Bavaria on May 1st, 1776.
[00:46:41]  And I've seen evidence of the will that the head of the Rothschild family, Meyer Amschel Rothschild, left.
[00:46:49]  And his will had specific instructions like, we're only going to intermarry.
[00:46:54]  We're going to keep this in the family.
[00:46:55]  We're going to take down religion and the monarchy and politics, like these things that hold society together.
[00:47:02]  Like, if we want to achieve world domination, this is what we need to attack first.
[00:47:05]  And so I can see how the evil plan that he set up has been put into fruition ever since then.
[00:47:12]  Yeah, no, I think there's a lot of truth to that.
[00:47:15]  I think the Sabbaté and Francis have a lot more power and influence that are more important than most people realize.
[00:47:21]  And indeed, I think they're the driving force behind the creation of Israel.
[00:47:25]  And that whole thing explains a lot if you think about it.
[00:47:28]  The frankest kind of inversion of normal morality and championing all of these abominations, rape and murder and all of this, that really explains Israel's behavior quite well.
[00:47:42]  There seems to be a surplus debauchery and villainy in the Israeli character and their actions.
[00:47:50]  Ron Owens, who is also born Jewish, by the way, he's done brilliant work on this stuff.
[00:47:55]  And he's talked about the cartoonish evil of Israel and Israelis.
[00:48:01]  And how do you explain that cartoonish evil?
[00:48:03]  Well, I think the Sabbaté and Francism is quite a big part of it.
[00:48:08]  Not that all Israelis or even that many of them are involved specifically in Sabbaté and Francism, but enough of them are that it permeates the society.
[00:48:18]  Did you see recently there was that woman, an Israeli woman whistleblower and abuse victim?
[00:48:26]  I can't quite get her name, it is on the tip of my tongue.
[00:48:29]  Who went public about having been just horrifically ritually abused, satanic ritual abuse stuff, and involving top Israeli leaders.
[00:48:39]  And then she just turned up dead, I think, last month at the age of like 38 or something.
[00:48:44]  So that's probably the type of cult that we're talking about.
[00:48:47]  Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
[00:48:48]  I mean, I've also written a book in 2023 called The International Satanic Network Exposed.
[00:48:53]  And I wasn't really focused on Jews in this, but I was more talking about it was more of like an.
[00:48:58]  Anglo American cult.
[00:48:59]  I mean, it's worldwide.
[00:49:00]  There's Australian victims, there's all sorts of victims.
[00:49:02]  But yeah, they kidnap girls, women, I mean, boys too.
[00:49:07]  They take them to these special places.
[00:49:09]  Sometimes it's like in churches or the White House or political places.
[00:49:15]  They conduct these satanic rituals.
[00:49:17]  They get dressed up in hoods and robes and they bring in blood sacrifices.
[00:49:24]  And this stuff's going on and involves the most powerful people in the world.
[00:49:27]  So I'd already kind of become very familiar with researching that, writing about it.
[00:49:31]  And then when I I know this woman you're talking about.
[00:49:34]  I don't know her name right now either, but I remember she was testifying with other victims about this happening, and there were members of Knesset's involved.
[00:49:42]  So it's not surprising to me that this would be happening within Israel.
[00:49:45]  It's happening all around the world, unfortunately.
[00:49:47]  And there are lots of victims who've testified.
[00:49:52]  There are even women I've written about who were bred into this program, and they were brought up to become part of the leaders of this network.
[00:50:02]  They wanted them to become like a A mother of darkness or a mother goddess that would lead these rituals.
[00:50:07]  And some of these women have managed to break free of the thing and still survive and talk about what it was like on the inside.
[00:50:13]  Now, are these people basically just Sabbatan Francis or are there other flavors of this kind of cult activity?
[00:50:20]  I ultimately think it's a satanic cult, and Sabbatean Frankism is a big part of it, but it's not all of it, because I think there's some people that aren't Jewish or Sabbatean Frankism, but they're still into this satanic stuff.
[00:50:31]  And I think this is really what's running the world, because you've got people that are opening themselves up to whatever, who knows, whatever dark forces they make a portal with, they make an interface with, they get possessed by during these rituals, and then they give over their power to this dark entity in exchange for what they think is.
[00:50:50]  Power or energy, or they feel like they're getting something from it.
[00:50:54]  Meanwhile, thoughts are getting implanted into their heads during these rituals.
[00:50:57]  And it's my opinion that then whatever they're getting from these rituals then filters down and it starts to become governmental policy around the world, which is why the world is so inverted and upside down.
[00:51:06]  You've got the leaders of society engaging in this kind of ritual.

=== Interdimensional Entity Abductions (08:34) ===

[00:51:11]  Interesting.
[00:51:11]  And how about the UFO angle with the Kennedy assassination, Angleton, and so on?
[00:51:17]  And I hadn't recalled that Angleton was involved in that.
[00:51:20]  You maybe know more about that than I do.
[00:51:22]  I did research the UFO issue fairly extensively back in the day, but I just didn't happen upon that.
[00:51:27]  And so I would have to ask then okay, if Earth is largely dominated by a leadership class that has a lot of this influence, this satanic influence, that these cults have placed their people in high positions in many societies, does that mean that the worldview of the former Catanian defense minister, Paul Hellyer, might be correct?
[00:51:53]  Like he would.
[00:51:54]  Came on my podcast twice, and he said that after decades of looking into it and trying to figure out who was telling the truth, he had come to the conclusion that there's a sort of a relatively benevolent ET galactic or maybe interdimensional, too, kind of federation of intelligent entities.
[00:52:15]  He thought they were the good guys, that basically Earth is under the misrule of these satanic entities or some really, really bad entities.
[00:52:24]  Uh, entities, mainly humans, he was saying, Earth is run by bad humans, but maybe the bad humans are working with some of the bad entities.
[00:52:32]  And he thought that the overall preponderance of the Galactic Federation of all of these ETs and intradimensions or what have you was basically like in Star Trek, you know, essentially ethical kind of political structure.
[00:52:47]  And so that's one view, that's a benevolent view that large, most of the you know, ET type international stuff are basically good.
[00:52:57]  And Earth is run by bad people.
[00:52:59]  But once we wake up and overthrow the bad people here on Earth, then we'll be invited to join the Galactic Federation.
[00:53:04]  So that's the worldview of Helier.
[00:53:06]  I think Alfred Weber sort of thinks along those lines to some extent.
[00:53:09]  And there are others.
[00:53:10]  And then there's another view that the whole ET intradimensional phenomenon is basically demonic.
[00:53:19]  And that's, I've talked to various people.
[00:53:24]  There's a lot of people who point to the abductions and Other kinds of unethical behavior, apparently, by these interdimensional or ET entities.
[00:53:34]  And so, those are the two extremes of the argument, right?
[00:53:39]  That the ETs overall are the good guys, or the ETs overall are the bad guys.
[00:53:44]  Like Charles Upton thinks they're the bad guys.
[00:53:47]  Indeed, they're basically the demons of old fashioned religion.
[00:53:51]  And I don't know.
[00:53:53]  I'm not even 100% sure that that phenomenon is everything that its proponents claim.
[00:53:59]  I mean, it could be just the world's craziest psyop.
[00:54:01]  So, anyway, what do you think?
[00:54:04]  I've studied it for a long time.
[00:54:05]  I don't believe it's a psyop.
[00:54:07]  I believe there's just like there's a lot of witnesses that have come out of the satanic network and said, yeah, these rituals are real.
[00:54:12]  They take place.
[00:54:13]  You know, I was kidnapped and this is what happened.
[00:54:15]  Same thing with ET abductees and contactees, as there's a lot of them.
[00:54:20]  I don't believe they're all delusional or all making it up.
[00:54:23]  I do think that part of it can be explained by secret black military operations.
[00:54:26]  So, you know, some of the craft that are in the skies are military craft, they're not necessarily of extraterrestrial origin.
[00:54:33]  But I don't think it explains all of it.
[00:54:36]  I talked about in the book the whole existence of committees that were formed to cover up what happened at Roswell, the creation of MJ 12, Majestic 12 by Truman.
[00:54:46]  There's lots of paperwork and documents that have been found that show that these presidents set up these committees to deal with what they called the extraterrestrial question.
[00:54:54]  And then during the 1950s, what happened was that Eisenhower allowed himself to get talked into handing it over to the private aerospace military contractors.
[00:55:03]  And they took some of the secrets and they were like, look, it's It's better if this is out of the hands of government and it's in private hands, you know, then we can like manage it better.
[00:55:10]  And Eisenhower regretted his decision immensely, actually, because then he felt, and then he quickly became obvious that even though he was president, he had no, he didn't have the need to know, he didn't have the access to find out what was happening.
[00:55:22]  And that's part of what was happening with Kennedy.
[00:55:24]  Kennedy was trying to wrest control back from MJ 12 and the CA, but he couldn't.
[00:55:30]  Ultimately, they wouldn't let him.
[00:55:31]  And that was one of the reasons he got assassinated, in addition to going after Israel's nukes and Ben Gurion and all of that.
[00:55:38]  But I believe it's an absolutely real phenomenon.
[00:55:42]  That doesn't mean that there aren't also ways that the current leadership tries to spin it and deceive people.
[00:55:49]  And if they do ever come out with a so called disclosure, you can bet it's not going to be the real thing.
[00:55:53]  They're going to use that as another way to divide and conquer people or to socially engineer people with deception.
[00:55:58]  It doesn't mean we're going to get the truth.
[00:56:00]  But I believe this has been going on for a very long time.
[00:56:04]  As far as whether there's just, you know, you presented two polls to Spectrum.
[00:56:11]  Two ends of the spectrum with like aliens and are they well intentioned or not.
[00:56:15]  I mean, if you look at the whole phenomenon of alien abduction and visitation, there's been so many people that have reported all sorts of different alien races with all sorts of agendas.
[00:56:25]  So it's a really complicated thing.
[00:56:27]  And I don't believe it can be reduced to just one thing.
[00:56:29]  And I mean, I would like to believe that there are benevolent aliens that care for humanity's well being.
[00:56:36]  But I've also seen more evidence on the other side that the two most commonly reported aliens are the greys and the reptilians.
[00:56:44]  So, with the grays, a lot of people say that they're kind of robotic.
[00:56:48]  They're maybe three or four foot tall.
[00:56:50]  They have large eyes, small nose, small mouth.
[00:56:53]  They don't seem to really have much emotion.
[00:56:57]  Some of the stories involving them are kind of maybe neutral or slightly negative.
[00:57:02]  There seems to be a human alien hybrid program going on with these grays.
[00:57:07]  They seem to, that there are stories where the grays are harvesting human sperm and egg for some reason.
[00:57:14]  We don't exactly understand what program they're running or why they're doing that.
[00:57:18]  But it was interesting, even just in the last few months, we had a congressman, Matt Gaetz, who at one point Trump was considering for the attorney general position where Pam Bondi was.
[00:57:27]  Gaetz says, Look, I've had congressmen come up and tell me that they are absolutely convinced for 100% sure that there is a human alien hybrid program going on right now as we speak.
[00:57:38]  So I was like, wow, we've even got to the point where we've got congressmen, reasonably well known and popular congressmen like Matt Gaetz, talking openly about this.
[00:57:46]  I mean, I've known this for a while, but.
[00:57:49]  It's just an interesting barometer on how much this information is spreading now.
[00:57:53]  I feel like we're getting close to the point where this is going to become more common knowledge.
[00:57:57]  And then we have the whole reptilian thing.
[00:58:00]  And, you know, of course, David Icke has become very famous for his incredibly comprehensive research on the whole topic.
[00:58:07]  He's not the only one.
[00:58:08]  There's other people like James Bartley, who's done a great job researching it for decades.
[00:58:13]  Some of these people have had personal interactions where they've met reptilians face to face.
[00:58:18]  I mean, we've had whistleblowers going way back who've said that they've come face to face with these creatures.
[00:58:24]  Jordan Maxwell did research on this as well.
[00:58:29]  So, yeah, I mean, I believe these are absolutely real phenomena.
[00:58:34]  And I also believe it's definitely connected to the New World Order.
[00:58:38]  I mean, I like what Phil Schneider said, who was a whistleblower who went out public in the mid 90s.
[00:58:44]  He ended up being killed, but he had worked at underground bases.
[00:58:47]  And he came face to face with a few of these grays and actually got into a gunfight with some of them.
[00:58:52]  And he said, look, these aliens are working at the lower bases of the lower levels of the underground bases.
[00:58:59]  And so they're intimately tied with whatever New World Order agenda is.
[00:59:02]  Being carried out.
[00:59:04]  Interesting.
[00:59:04]  Well, since I interviewed David Jacobs on my podcast in maybe 2009 or 10 or something, that information has definitely been spreading.
[00:59:15]  Jacobs was a very respected academic for a long time.
[00:59:18]  He was a leading folkloric researcher on UFO stories.
[00:59:22]  And then he shocked everybody in the 90s, I think it was, by coming out with it, saying, You know, it's real.
[00:59:27]  And they're abducting people for a.
[00:59:31]  Jacobs also said that they were walking among us.
[00:59:33]  He's like, Look, I don't want to have to say this.
[00:59:35]  He's like, It feels.
[00:59:35]  It feels crazy or weird for me to actually say this.
[00:59:38]  But honestly, after like doing 600, 800, 1,000 hypnosis over like decades and decades, this is my conclusion based on the evidence.

=== Conclusion After Hypnosis (01:18) ===

[00:59:46]  Right.
[00:59:46]  So, and I'm still agnostic about that because I'm not really convinced that hypnotic regression necessarily is very reliable.
[00:59:54]  And one of the most interesting things about this is that anything that normally would be viewed as hard evidence of this phenomenon is really hard to come by.
[01:00:02]  And that as the cameras have gotten better, the images of this stuff haven't.
[01:00:06]  Which is interesting.
[01:00:07]  So, whatever it is, it either, you know, to the extent that it's real, it seems to be capable of not leaving obvious traces, you know, strong evidence of its presence.
[01:00:18]  And of course, then there are skeptics who say, well, that's because it's not even there.
[01:00:21]  And I think something's there.
[01:00:23]  I just don't know what it is.
[01:00:24]  Well, that's probably a good place to leave it.
[01:00:26]  And then when they land on the White House lawn, we can bring you back and clarify things.
[01:00:32]  Well, thank you, Makia.
[01:00:33]  Yeah, thanks for having me on today.
[01:00:34]  I appreciate that.
[01:00:35]  Thanks for coming back and look forward to another one sometime.
[01:00:38]  All right.
[01:00:39]  And I'll just end by saying if you want to follow my work, my website's thefreedomarticles.com.
[01:00:43]  So that's the best place to find any of my work.
[01:00:45]  I am on Rumble, BitChute, Odyssey, Substack, Bridie on YouTube.
[01:00:50]  And I've got five books.
[01:00:51]  The Cult of the Chosen Ones is my most recent book, and it's available in print, ebook, and audiobook.
[01:00:56]  Okay.
[01:00:56]  Sounds good.
[01:00:57]  And I'll try to put those links in the write up for this podcast.
[01:01:00]  Well, thank you, Makia.
[01:01:01]  Look forward to the next one.
[01:01:03]  Okay.
[01:01:03]  Appreciate it.