Jim Fetzer - REAL DEAL SPECIAL (2 April 2026): Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE!
Aired: 2026-04-03
Duration: 01:02:06


=== Pam Bondi And The Lawyer (09:09) ===

[00:00:00]  All right.
[00:00:02]  Welcome to another Real Deal special with Catherine Horton and Bill Binney under fire today.
[00:00:07]  I have the delight of having both of them available as my guests.
[00:00:11]  I'm simply ecstatic.
[00:00:13]  And it is such a news day.
[00:00:16]  Catherine, you were saying Pam Bondi getting fired.
[00:00:20]  Trump had his speech last night.
[00:00:22]  He's fired the Army Chief of Staff, evidently, because he thought it was a bad idea to put boots on the ground in Iran.
[00:00:30]  I want all your thoughts.
[00:00:32]  Yours and Bill's about all of the above and more.
[00:00:36]  Catherine, ladies.
[00:00:38]  Starting with Pam Bondi, I am so glad.
[00:00:42]  Good riddance, because she was such a bottleneck.
[00:00:45]  And Trump already exposed her publicly when he sent a post, a true social post, saying that she better get her act together because she makes everybody look bad in the administration.
[00:00:57]  When she was, I mean, she didn't just drag out the Epstein files, which Trump had to release by executive order in the end.
[00:01:03]  She also duped a group of influencers.
[00:01:06]  Remember the white ring binders?
[00:01:08]  They were all, they had a big photo op outside the White House and they thought that they got the Epstein files.
[00:01:14]  And it turned out to be already public information.
[00:01:17]  I mean, what more can you do to say you're a deep state plant and you're just trying to humiliate MAGA and the efforts of genuine people to try to get to the bottom of this?
[00:01:29]  So I couldn't stand the woman, frankly.
[00:01:32]  I hated all her public testimonies.
[00:01:34]  She sounds like.
[00:01:35]  She genuinely sounded like my students when they didn't do their homework.
[00:01:39]  And yeah, good riddance.
[00:01:43]  Well, you know, I felt terrible for Matt Gaetz, who I thought would make a very good attorney general when he was financed.
[00:01:50]  I think it was to get a ruse to get him out of Congress action.
[00:01:54]  I don't think Trump ever had the intention of appointing him.
[00:01:58]  And Pam seemed to me to be a ridiculously unqualified choice, just as I believe the same is true of Kash Patel.
[00:02:06]  What in the world are these people doing in these high offices?
[00:02:10]  They're utterly irresponsible.
[00:02:12]  And now, of course, I'd say in all probability, Trump is going to promote number two, who has been his personal attorney in the past, to be number one in the DOJ.
[00:02:23]  And he's unquestionably better qualified, but he's certainly not going to be objective in dealing with issues related to his client.
[00:02:34]  But then again, many regard the DOJ as being the Attorneys to the president for the executive branch.
[00:02:42]  Is that your take, Catherine?
[00:02:45]  I personally, I mean, I don't know anything about Todd Blanch.
[00:02:48]  I heard the name a couple of times before today, but I know nothing about him.
[00:02:54]  If he is Trump's personal lawyer, I just hope that Trump got the, you know, when he has personal knowledge of people over several years, he usually does a much better job of picking.
[00:03:04]  I think Pam Bondi was recommended by Susie Wiles.
[00:03:08]  They worked at the same lobbying firm.
[00:03:10]  I don't like that connection at all, at all.
[00:03:13]  So I was bad from the start as far as I was concerned.
[00:03:17]  And I'm hoping Todd Blanche, even if he does what the president wants him to, well, the president has been punching hard following the MAGA agenda, as far as I can tell.
[00:03:26]  So anything would be better than what we had now.
[00:03:30]  Because Pam Bondi was truly a bottleneck in all this.
[00:03:34]  She pretended to do a lot when it was low hanging fruit, like the prosecution of illegals and violent criminals and so on and so on.
[00:03:43]  But none of the deep state operatives got charged.
[00:03:46]  It was beyond a joke.
[00:03:48]  By the end, so I'm looking forward to any sort of change by now.
[00:03:52]  What do you think?
[00:03:53]  Well, Bill, Bill, biggest question.
[00:03:54]  Catherine mentioned Susie Wiles, you know, before she became Trump's chief of staff, she ran Benton Jim and Netanyahu's campaign in Israel.
[00:04:03]  What do you think?
[00:04:04]  Was she the right gal for that position?
[00:04:07]  Heck no.
[00:04:08]  No, no, no.
[00:04:09]  I don't think so.
[00:04:10]  We need some homegrown lawyer who's competent to go in there, follow the law, and refer indictments to grand juries.
[00:04:19]  I mean, We obviously, there's so much evidence of obvious lying, corruption, and attempted coup that from the very beginning, there's no reason they shouldn't have already had, within the first year here, indictments issued to any number of people who are involved in that, especially from the FBI and the DOJ and even the intelligence community.
[00:04:44]  They were a part of it, certainly Brenner was.
[00:04:47]  Come on, where are the indictments?
[00:04:50]  That's what I'm waiting for.
[00:04:52]  Yes.
[00:04:52]  Yeah.
[00:04:52]  And just follow the law.
[00:04:54]  That's all.
[00:04:55]  You know, I had one suggestion because if you, so the litmus test for me was if you compared Pam Bondi and her demeanor and her achievements and actions with just the way Judge Janine talked, these, they were night and day.
[00:05:11]  I never heard Judge Janine say anything that sounded stupid or, you know, like she wasn't really trying to go after crime.
[00:05:19]  So it really, if, if, uh, Trump had replaced her with Judge Jeanine, that would have been a huge improvement.
[00:05:26]  Or alternatively, somebody who's really versed in the law, like, I don't know, Steve Sladeau, his lawyer in Georgia, probably he doesn't want to leave Georgia and get into the swamp.
[00:05:34]  But somebody like that who is really hard hitting and top in the law, which is what you have to be, and otherwise just a person of high integrity.
[00:05:44]  How hard can it be, even given the legal and judicial system today, to find somebody like that?
[00:05:52]  But so many people know the law inside out.
[00:05:55]  And Judge Jeanine was a media personality for a long time after she was a judge.
[00:06:01]  But still, I mean, she was amazing.
[00:06:04]  And I can see why Trump wants her in DC specifically because of the legal special round that DC makes up.
[00:06:11]  I think that's a good idea.
[00:06:12]  But anybody would have been better than Pam Bondi.
[00:06:15]  And yes, the ties to Susie Wiles, I didn't even know that she ran the campaign for Bibi Netanyahu.
[00:06:21]  It makes a lot of sense.
[00:06:23]  But there are other things, big things about her that I don't like.
[00:06:27]  I was also, I mean, this is kind of, I shouldn't bring this up because it's so, I probably should keep my mouth shut.
[00:06:34]  I probably should, but I'm.
[00:06:35]  Oh, go right ahead.
[00:06:36]  Yeah, I said no.
[00:06:38]  It would not be me if I ever kept my mouth shut on a podcast.
[00:06:43]  There are two things.
[00:06:44]  So, Susie Wiles was diagnosed with breast cancer, and I instantly had two thoughts simultaneously.
[00:06:53]  Number one, if this is real, it could be genuinely a sign that she is too useful to trumpet a deep state gay.
[00:07:00]  Her breast cancer by just irradiating her with microwave weapons, the easiest thing to do.
[00:07:05]  You can irradiate anybody in their apartment, in their home, via drone from an adjacent home or apartment, blah, blah, blah.
[00:07:14]  The CIA has been doing that for decades.
[00:07:17]  The timing was so right at this crunch point that I thought there's only two possibilities because of the finely timed coincidence.
[00:07:27]  Number one, she was given breast cancer, if this is true.
[00:07:30]  Or if this is made up, it's to trigger Trump's sympathy because after Pam Bondi, she would be the next one to go down because the whole thing is one lobbying swamp that they came from.
[00:07:43]  So I don't want to make any judgments because when you genuinely have cancer, it's the cruelest thing to, you know.
[00:07:50]  Is insinuate you don't have it, but in that case, I think it's of serious concern because it would imply that the deep state is going after Trump's inner circle and after the people who genuinely have been the hardest working and most useful to him throughout his campaign.
[00:08:05]  Now, it's I think beyond a shadow of a doubt that Susie Wiles works her ass off, right?
[00:08:10]  She's there with Trump, you know, doing all this stuff.
[00:08:14]  So, if she's really genuine, then I would have serious concerns about directed energy weapons having been used against her.
[00:08:20]  And there are indications that they have been used against others.
[00:08:23]  For example, I think it was even Pam Bondi herself whose cornea spontaneously detached after she was in office for several months.
[00:08:34]  There was this incident.
[00:08:35]  Now, that is done with pulsed energy projectiles.
[00:08:37]  You can shoot at somebody and literally bring that about.
[00:08:42]  So that was a red flag for me.
[00:08:45]  So there are these two things.
[00:08:46]  If it's real, it's a real concern because the deep state is moving in on the inner circle like it has been for quite some time.
[00:08:53]  If it's fake, then it is to trigger Trump's sympathy because everybody knows that he's a very masculine man who's a provider, wants to look after his people.
[00:09:01]  That's what he's known for among his staff.
[00:09:03]  And then it would be the most, like the cruelest, most calculating, and psychopathic game.
[00:09:08]  But it's pretty bad either way.

=== Trump's Swollen Ankles (02:06) ===

[00:09:10]  So I just wanted to flag that.
[00:09:15]  You're taking notes.
[00:09:17]  Bill, Trump may not be in the best of health.
[00:09:23]  His ankles are like swollen up three times their normal size.
[00:09:27]  There's a doctor that thinks he might have only two to four months to live.
[00:09:31]  Interestingly, even transcending his, Alex Jones has thrown him under the bus.
[00:09:36]  Are you aware?
[00:09:38]  Alex Jones has denounced Trump and said, We got to move on without him.
[00:09:42]  I tried to do it.
[00:09:43]  Move on to whom?
[00:09:44]  Move on to whom, Alex?
[00:09:46]  Who the F are we going to have replaced him?
[00:09:50]  Yeah, well, that's a good question.
[00:09:52]  Alex was talking about doing our best to defeat the Democrats and blah, blah, blah.
[00:09:56]  I mean, you know.
[00:09:59]  Still, it's very curious because he was so instrumental way back in 2015 in promoting the Trump train, you know, getting enthusiasm worked up with the Donald.
[00:10:09]  Still, does that strike?
[00:10:11]  I don't know.
[00:10:11]  The schedule he's keeping is still pretty trying.
[00:10:14]  I mean, it's still a schedule I couldn't keep.
[00:10:17]  No, I.
[00:10:18]  Yeah, so, I mean, you know.
[00:10:20]  You got to be pretty healthy to do that.
[00:10:23]  Yeah.
[00:10:23]  And you know, a footnote on the swollen ankles that too can be brought up both with covert, non consensual biotechnology and with microwave beams judiciously aimed at your ankles at certain times, right?
[00:10:37]  Both.
[00:10:38]  And I say that specifically because it has been done to me.
[00:10:41]  I was, many people might know who followed me that in Switzerland, I had to build a metal shed inside my office just to be able to work.
[00:10:50]  And it was being gunned with Pulse NG projectors.
[00:10:53]  So hard, it sounded like the patter of rain on the roof.
[00:10:55]  Now, you have heard the patter of rain over my head indoors on a sunny day.
[00:11:00]  So, you know, but the thing is, when I was sitting in this metal shed, they still managed to beam me with some sort of classified waves that essentially acted like microwaves on the other side.
[00:11:11]  And my right ankle swelled up and it looked like an elephant's foot.

=== Rain Patter And Classified Waves (15:08) ===

[00:11:16]  I kid you not.
[00:11:17]  And I didn't even notice.
[00:11:19]  And I looked down and suddenly there was this huge swelling with a very defined cutoff line.
[00:11:24]  And I thought, oh my gosh, my foot is in a beam.
[00:11:27]  So I had to get up, leave the house, walk around, and within five minutes, it went back to normal.
[00:11:33]  But that taught me that this kind of swelling can be brought about by weapons, by covert weapons that can go through walls, brick walls, and they can go through even sheet metal like the side of an aluminum shed.
[00:11:47]  So, you know, heck knows what's being done to our president to create these symptoms.
[00:11:56]  He's got only three months to live.
[00:11:57]  Like, if there's an assassination attempt, maybe, but no, otherwise, he's fine.
[00:12:03]  On my shows leading up to the president's speech last night, I was actually predicting he was going to declare victory and say, We're going home, pulling U.S. forces out of the Middle East because we're being so severely attacked by the Iranians who are, you know, they're under like, I don't know, 95th wave.
[00:12:27]  They got plenty more to go.
[00:12:28]  I mean, they got thousands of missiles yet to go.
[00:12:32]  They got their best missiles yet to go.
[00:12:34]  They appear to be inflicting massive damage on Israel.
[00:12:38]  And I think the United States bases are being reported as all but uninhabitable now.
[00:12:45]  I think we met our match.
[00:12:47]  Bill, your thoughts?
[00:12:50]  I don't believe any of that.
[00:12:52]  I'm in the other camp.
[00:12:53]  I'm leaning more toward what the Pentagon is saying than anybody else because they're only shooting less than 10 missiles a day.
[00:13:01]  And that's across the whole of the Middle East there.
[00:13:04]  Spread them out, you know.
[00:13:05]  And we're sending thousands of bombing raids every day out there.
[00:13:09]  Right now, I see this as a one way fight.
[00:13:13]  They can't even shoot at us.
[00:13:14]  They haven't even shot down one plane from the beginning of this.
[00:13:19]  The Kuwaitis shot a couple down, but they were our allies.
[00:13:24]  That was friendly fire, that was not enemy fire.
[00:13:27]  There is nothing over there to prevent our bombers from going anywhere.
[00:13:31]  So, I just see this as going out like, you know, they're just going to get bombed to shit.
[00:13:37]  So, if they don't, they're going to collapse sooner or later, and it's just going to be a matter of time.
[00:13:43]  I just, that's the way I see it.
[00:13:48]  You had a comment about Iran going back to quite some time.
[00:13:51]  Yeah, I was going to add another little wrinkle.
[00:13:54]  I don't know if you know this or not, but back when Jimmy Carter was president, and after the mullahs came in and took over Iran, and then they took over our embassy and all our people in November of 1979, then by the middle of the summer of 1980, why, the riot, they were getting.
[00:14:19]  Emotional on their side of the border on the Russian border.
[00:14:23]  You know how emotional Arabs can get?
[00:14:26]  They could get, the Muslims anyway, could get very emotional and it spreads through the Muslim community.
[00:14:32]  It spreads.
[00:14:33]  And so it was getting close to being involving the Muslims on the Russian side of the border.
[00:14:40]  And this, the Russians, of course, didn't take kindly to this.
[00:14:44]  So as I understand it, Brezhnev, the general secretary of the Soviet Union, Gave a notice to the Iranians that they either clean up their side of the border and stop this crap going on down there because it's spreading over into our country and we're not going to tolerate it.
[00:15:04]  If you don't stop it, we're going to send people down there and take care of it.
[00:15:08]  So, in other words, he was threatening an invasion of Iran.
[00:15:11]  Now, at the time, Carter was there.
[00:15:14]  He didn't know what to do.
[00:15:15]  I mean, he was out of his depth anyway.
[00:15:17]  He was sitting there mulling around.
[00:15:18]  What the hell are we going to do?
[00:15:19]  When I saw that and heard that, I said, hey, this means all we have to do is say absolutely nothing.
[00:15:25]  And let them sit there and sweat an invasion from the Russians because we were the only ones they could turn to for help.
[00:15:32]  Nobody else was going to be able to help them.
[00:15:34]  So, what happened was eventually Carter decided, no, we can't take a chance.
[00:15:41]  They might go in and go down.
[00:15:42]  This is all published, by the way, in the New York Times, published in December 15th, 1986, on page 12, section A, page 12.
[00:15:55]  Way, whoever would read it, I don't think anybody read it, but it talked about the communications exercise where the Soviets were planning an invasion of Iran.
[00:16:05]  And this came from a Pentagon or a report on communications exercises by the Soviets.
[00:16:11]  And so eventually Carter had to say something.
[00:16:15]  He felt he had to say something.
[00:16:16]  I felt he had to say absolutely nothing.
[00:16:18]  And then we get our people back earlier, you know, but he didn't.
[00:16:21]  He said, he sent Muskie, the Secretary of State, To, he was meeting with Gromyko, and I believe it was in India.
[00:16:32]  And he told him to tell him that if they invaded Iran, it was going to be war with the United States.
[00:16:37]  So just think about it.
[00:16:38]  You're sitting there, and now you're the mullahs in Iran.
[00:16:42]  And here the Russians are threatening you with an invasion.
[00:16:44]  You can't stop them, but they want to come.
[00:16:46]  I mean, you're going to have a big fight on your hand.
[00:16:47]  Let them take them on, right?
[00:16:49]  So they're saying here, and then the United States comes in and defends us for nothing.
[00:16:55]  And we gave them absolutely nothing.
[00:16:57]  These people are stupid, you know?
[00:17:00]  They're only going to appease us.
[00:17:01]  So that's the way they've been playing it for 47 years.
[00:17:04]  And they played it with Trump, and he's not playing that game.
[00:17:08]  You know, my comment when you said this, this whole setup that had the US not been so forthcoming, they could have gotten all the hostages back like four or five months earlier, because they got them back eventually when Reagan came in, right?
[00:17:22]  You told me.
[00:17:22]  This is way before my time.
[00:17:24]  But, you know, looking at it, knowing what I know about the cabal and how they play it, I think it was all the stupidity of Carter, I think was part of the great game, a long term game exactly to set up Iran to be able to play this game long term.
[00:17:39]  I think everything that we've seen, Obama's actions and so on, Set it all up beautifully to have Iran as the baddie state instead of it being cleared up, cleaned up very quickly, and all the terrorists being eliminated.
[00:17:54]  Because that is the worst thing.
[00:17:55]  So, what General Dan Raisin Kane did against ISIS is like the nightmare of MI6.
[00:18:02]  They set up something lovingly and carefully.
[00:18:05]  They call it even ISIS, like the stretch of the River Thames in Oxford, right?
[00:18:09]  River ISIS.
[00:18:11]  And they set all these people up, and then Raisin Kane comes up and it fucks it all up.
[00:18:16]  Right in the shortest amount of time within two weeks, right in a fortnight.
[00:18:20]  Now, the same on the scale of Iran.
[00:18:22]  And I had more comments about you know, the notice about this that it appeared on the New York Times page 12.
[00:18:30]  And you said, Who would ever look there?
[00:18:33]  Um, my first comment was, Well, the people who are Masons and know that 12, one plus two is numerology three.
[00:18:40]  So, all the announcements by the crown three, third letter C, crown would be on page 12.
[00:18:46]  Where else, right?
[00:18:48]  It's either page 33 or page 12.
[00:18:50]  Okay, or page three, if you want to make it obvious.
[00:18:53]  So, yes, those are the daily announcements of the crown, and the crown let it be known that the great game was on.
[00:19:01]  That's how I see it.
[00:19:02]  And then I had another footnote about Brezhnev, right?
[00:19:06]  Do people remember this famous mural about Brezhnev tongue kissing Honecker, the East German Stasi guy?
[00:19:13]  Did you ever see that, Jim?
[00:19:16]  Did you ever see the mural of the gay kiss between Brezhnev and Honecker?
[00:19:22]  It's quite famous.
[00:19:24]  Yeah.
[00:19:24]  No, I don't believe it.
[00:19:26]  Oh my gosh.
[00:19:26]  If people Google that, well, across Eastern Europe, it was quite a big thing, okay?
[00:19:30]  Because it was all these leaders being, well, obviously mocked.
[00:19:34]  But I think it was cartel signaling.
[00:19:36]  It was the announcement by the Masonic cabal, who has all these like gay sex rituals and the leadership is mostly gay, that, yeah, these two are our men.
[00:19:46]  They are, you know, part of the club, part of the sex cult, you know?
[00:19:50]  So all this made perfect sense that it would be New York.
[00:19:54]  New York Times page 12.
[00:19:55]  I mean, obviously.
[00:19:57]  If you want to read the whole article, all you have to do is Google Soviet test how to invade Iran.
[00:20:04]  Yeah.
[00:20:04]  Just Google that and you'll be able to read the whole article.
[00:20:10]  All the events that happened back there.
[00:20:12]  So, based on that, I would say that we are seeing, hopefully, the final chapter of the great game of the Crown, the Crown Corporation that it played across the Middle East.
[00:20:23]  And I genuinely.
[00:20:25]  I am still holding out hope that Trump is tidying these things up because look at all the things that he's tackling.
[00:20:31]  He has already withdrawn, I think, the UN thing about the World Health Organization, right?
[00:20:39]  The US already withdrawn from the World Health Organization.
[00:20:43]  He's still kind of respecting the UN as a platform, right?
[00:20:46]  He gave a speech, but they fucked with him again three times, right?
[00:20:51]  The elevator nearly tripped them up.
[00:20:55]  What's it called?
[00:20:56]  The little.
[00:20:58]  Teleprompters didn't work and the audio inside the UN wasn't working at all.
[00:21:03]  So Melania told him afterwards, We couldn't hear what you were saying.
[00:21:07]  No idea.
[00:21:07]  So these three items of sabotage, the crown three again signed this stuff.
[00:21:15]  But otherwise, he's now questioning NATO and what's the point in being in NATO?
[00:21:20]  And my God, is he right?
[00:21:22]  Because the NATO is not, it's even less audited than the Pentagon, right?
[00:21:26]  So he's questioning all the big old Europe.
[00:21:29]  Establishment, big globalist cabal institutions.
[00:21:32]  And that is huge.
[00:21:34]  I mean, whoever would have done it before him, he already questioned the media, exposed the fake news, took them to court, and won endless numbers of times or got settlements, right?
[00:21:45]  So, man, I love the guy.
[00:21:47]  I just, I love him ever more every day.
[00:21:51]  Fascinating.
[00:21:52]  Well, Bill, I know, watched his speech last night, Catherine.
[00:21:56]  I assume you joined.
[00:21:57]  Give me, I'd like each of your take on.
[00:22:00]  What you heard from Trump, how it impressed you, whether you think he's on the right track.
[00:22:05]  Your thoughts.
[00:22:07]  Okay, I'll go first.
[00:22:08]  Yeah, I think he was just outlining that this is going to be a bombing campaign.
[00:22:15]  I think this business of moving troops into the area is kind of the most that they would ever do with them is try to take some of the islands.
[00:22:22]  But even then, they could command them by just bombing them.
[00:22:25]  You could shut up.
[00:22:25]  If you don't want them to put our oil out there, you have to do is go bomb a couple islands and stop their export of oil.
[00:22:32]  You know, it's not a question.
[00:22:34]  You don't have to hold any land.
[00:22:36]  You don't have to hold the land.
[00:22:37]  What they've got to do is bomb the IRGC back to the Stone Age where there's very little of them left.
[00:22:44]  And then that's when the Iranian people can come out and take over their country.
[00:22:49]  That's the scenario I see going, that they're not going to invade Iran proper.
[00:22:53]  They're going to bomb them to the point where the Iranian people will have sufficient power.
[00:22:59]  What CIA and MI6 ought to be doing is arming the population of Iran, smuggling arms into them.
[00:23:06]  That's what they ought to be doing.
[00:23:08]  That way, they'll have some capacity to address the IRGC in the streets of Tehran or anywhere else.
[00:23:17]  That's the plan I think they should be and are on doing, something of that nature.
[00:23:21]  I hope so.
[00:23:22]  But my comment, my snarky comment would be that if Trump and Radcliffe can take control of the CIA, which frankly is questionable, right?
[00:23:32]  That's one worry I have, then they could do such a thing.
[00:23:36]  MI6, sure, as sweet F, is not going to do it because it's like shooting themselves in the foot.
[00:23:42]  I'm not sure.
[00:23:43]  Unless Trump really talks to the king, maybe that's the whole point of the meeting in April.
[00:23:48]  And they're saying, listen, you know, this shit's got to stop.
[00:23:52]  It's really painful.
[00:23:53]  You know, I mean, the King of England just published his portrait not that long ago last year.
[00:23:58]  You know, the really satanic one, the one that was all red and is hanging in the Drapers Hall of the Worshipful Company of Drapers in the city of London, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[00:24:08]  I mean, that's going down the Vatican Lane, you know, full steam, right?
[00:24:12]  But the truth is, it's being exposed.
[00:24:15]  It's embarrassing.
[00:24:17]  I was just thinking, I don't get invited to these, you know, portrait, what's it called?
[00:24:22]  I unveilings because while there's stunned silence as everybody's looking at this gaudy image of just pure red, there would be me in the background saying, Oh, for fuck's sake, you know, it's just so embarrassing.
[00:24:36]  It's got to stop.
[00:24:37]  You can't, with the internet doesn't forget, and people are now putting together the puzzle pieces at exponentially faster rate.
[00:24:45]  And once it sticks, it's going to stick forever.
[00:24:47]  It's going to be the biggest embarrassment for Prince William when he becomes king, and an even bigger embarrassment for his son, you know.
[00:24:55]  So this shit's got to stop.
[00:24:57]  And I really hope in April, Trump sits down with the king and says, look, are you enjoying this?
[00:25:02]  Because none of us really are.
[00:25:04]  We were both born into the game, as they say.
[00:25:06]  But none of us are loving this right now.
[00:25:09]  Everything is turning to shit in our hands unless we really pull up this plane and change course.
[00:25:15]  And I really hope that's what's going to happen.
[00:25:17]  But until this meeting, I can't see MI6 do anything but what they have been doing, which is sabotage anything that they can lay their grubby little mittens on.
[00:25:28]  But the other snarky comment I would have is that you don't have to bring weapons into Iran.
[00:25:32]  You just have to divert the weapon trafficking routes running through Iran to the right people.
[00:25:40]  What would you say?
[00:25:41]  You know more about IEDs and trafficking than I do.
[00:25:45]  Well, I mean, you know, sometime I was going to show you some of that stuff that we did for the IEDs and how you figure it out, which would apply to imports and exports around the world and any kind of smuggling or nefarious activity through the.
[00:26:02]  Imports and exports business.
[00:26:04]  But it also, I mean, I even used it against Bernie Madoff and his operation.
[00:26:10]  He could pull his whole operation together by looking at that stuff.
[00:26:14]  Plus, you know, it works.
[00:26:16]  All that fraud in Minnesota, they could be picking that out, you know, and everywhere else in the country using these techniques.

=== Weapon Trafficking Routes (08:48) ===

[00:26:24]  But do I think they're using them?
[00:26:28]  Heck no.
[00:26:29]  Because the scale of what would fall out when you do that, because right away, just looking at one site, One city with Iranian businesses in Dubai, I found 53 operations there that looked like something was going on that needed to be investigated.
[00:26:45]  Just by doing, I mean, the technique says these companies are suspicious.
[00:26:49]  They may be doing something.
[00:26:50]  So you got to look at them to say one way or the other whether or not they are or are not smuggling weapons or smuggling dope or whatever.
[00:26:59]  Two comments.
[00:27:00]  They were all tied to Iran.
[00:27:02]  They were all tied to Iran.
[00:27:03]  And then the second thing is that when you say, It looks like they might be doing something.
[00:27:08]  It's way past probable cause by that time.
[00:27:10]  Well, it's getting there.
[00:27:13]  I call it the zone of suspicion.
[00:27:17]  Yeah.
[00:27:17]  But some of them are pretty obvious.
[00:27:19]  It's beyond the zone of suspicion.
[00:27:20]  Yeah.
[00:27:21]  But I mean, when you say that, you're one of the nicest guys I know, right?
[00:27:25]  But it's different from the deep state saying, oh, zone of suspicion because you were, I don't know, within a mile of somebody who's suspicious, which is what mass surveillance dragnets do, you know?
[00:27:36]  You know, that's another thing.
[00:27:38]  If the DOJ now changes course to integrity, the DOJ is another place and Judge Janine's operations is shutting down crime where your techniques can be used, right?
[00:27:50]  Absolutely, yeah.
[00:27:52]  The FBI did a process at one time back in 2010 to come back and maybe help them out, but I refused to do that at the time.
[00:28:02]  First of all, because I was mad at them because they fabricated evidence to try to indict us.
[00:28:07]  And it cost us some money in trouble.
[00:28:10]  And of course, they helped put us out of business.
[00:28:13]  So I was kind of mad at them.
[00:28:14]  And I wasn't going to, besides, I told them at that time, I told them I didn't want to work for anybody who pointed guns at me.
[00:28:22]  That's not a nice thing to do, you know?
[00:28:25]  So I didn't go back and help them.
[00:28:27]  But under this administration, I might be willing to do that.
[00:28:30]  Yeah.
[00:28:32]  You know, my thought is I have not seen a shred of evidence that the FBI has been cycled out of deep capture.
[00:28:39]  In fact, I mean, Cash, CU, and Valhalla Patel went headlong into it, into the cartel signaling about the Charlie Kirk thing.
[00:28:47]  They lied about the bullet.
[00:28:49]  They lied about everything else.
[00:28:50]  They shut down the investigations of the Trump assassination attempt.
[00:28:54]  So I would still stay the hell way clear of the FBI.
[00:28:59]  The only place that might be a conduit is NSA directly, maybe the DOJ.
[00:29:06]  And I have faith in the Secret Service, which is the only agency that has consistently protected Trump's life.
[00:29:12]  and actually stopped assassination attempts so far.
[00:29:17]  Yeah, well, you need it.
[00:29:18]  And even so, when it comes to things like that, also the voting business, I mean, you could use these techniques in the voting business.
[00:29:25]  I mean, look at, take the post office.
[00:29:27]  They have the address and names of everybody in the country.
[00:29:31]  Otherwise, they don't get mail.
[00:29:33]  Take that and the fire department, they've got that too.
[00:29:35]  So if you take all those databases and merge them in, you should know everybody in the country, right?
[00:29:41]  Then you merge that with the social security office that has the social security numbers of all the U.S. citizens.
[00:29:49]  Then you know who's eligible to vote and who isn't eligible to vote.
[00:29:52]  And you marry that with the IRS and you can tell how long they've been there.
[00:29:55]  So if somebody pops in there and trying to vote illegally, they just popped up recently.
[00:30:01]  They may have a fake social security number, but they won't pass them up muster in social security as a citizen.
[00:30:08]  So all of that stuff could weed all these people out and you could recognize them through all the voting, all the thousands, tens of thousands of polling places in the country as they come in to vote.
[00:30:21]  And before they vote, you could tell whether or not they were a citizen or not and eligible to vote.
[00:30:26]  I think also this people don't realize, but this can be done live.
[00:30:29]  Yeah.
[00:30:30]  At CERN, the sort of programmers or the processing power that we had, and how much data we could churn through as these big particle accelerators were generating data, I have a very good idea of how much you can do with what sort of processing power.
[00:30:45]  And it's amazing what you can do just with your phone.
[00:30:48]  So once you have the databases, I could program a phone, one cell phone.
[00:30:53]  To run over this and come up with the answer in seconds.
[00:30:57]  I mean, it's a very quick lookup, you know, whichever way you approach it.
[00:31:01]  So there's absolutely no excuse for modern day societies not being able to detect this scam.
[00:31:08]  And of course, it hasn't been detected because it was part of the great game not to, I would say.
[00:31:13]  We've talked enough.
[00:31:15]  So.
[00:31:15]  Oh, no, I want more.
[00:31:16]  I want more.
[00:31:17]  I especially want whether you think Trump's on the right path, whether you think a ground invasion is a good idea.
[00:31:25]  This is.
[00:31:26]  Yeah, I don't think a ground invasion is a good idea at all.
[00:31:31]  I think we should just stay on the ground, stay out of it.
[00:31:35]  In the air, fine.
[00:31:39]  Around the ocean, sure.
[00:31:40]  We've got the Navy, we've got the Air Force.
[00:31:42]  We don't want to put people in trouble.
[00:31:44]  And besides, when you get people in there like that, they'd start killing a lot of other people, too.
[00:31:49]  So a lot of people will die if there's a ground invasion.
[00:31:51]  And I'd rather have that not happen.
[00:31:55]  Let the Iranians clean their country up on the ground.
[00:31:58]  And I think they're quite willing to do that.
[00:32:00]  But we should try to help them get some capacity to do that, like supplying weapons to them.
[00:32:07]  Yeah, weapons or support about who the deep state operatives are, because that's also something that NSA could just pop out in a second who was involved with the old regime.
[00:32:17]  Because my experience living in a communist country is that the most cancerous part of this whole thing is not even the police that comes clearly labeled.
[00:32:26]  that usually works for the regime.
[00:32:28]  It is this vast network of intel assets and operatives who are embedded in all your communities, in every block of apartments, in every little community.
[00:32:39]  They hire people, give them either special tax credits, tax breaks, or pay them real money.
[00:32:46]  And these people are just specifically selected to be corrupt, sadistic, psychopathic individuals.
[00:32:53]  And they are the real power of a criminal regime.
[00:32:56]  And to weed them out.
[00:32:57]  That's the same problem that Trump has with the deep state.
[00:33:01]  And that takes a network analysis, your software, really.
[00:33:05]  It takes thin thread to pick out all these people who were running the crime all along.
[00:33:11]  And one can very quickly pull them out, like you pull out a plant by its roots, right?
[00:33:16]  And just throw it in the trash.
[00:33:18]  You can do it in the US.
[00:33:19]  You can do it in Iran.
[00:33:21]  You can do it all around the world.
[00:33:23]  Again, at the speed of something that can, once you have the databases, a cell phone can run over it.
[00:33:29]  I would say.
[00:33:30]  Would you agree?
[00:33:31]  Yeah, it's like if you want to know the community involved with any given person, you have a query, you can get an answer in three seconds.
[00:33:40]  Yeah.
[00:33:41]  Or less.
[00:33:42]  Yeah.
[00:33:43]  And for those who don't understand what you mean in practice, you're saying that you could find out any child trafficking, drug trafficking, arms trafficking network, intel operative network within three seconds, anywhere in the world.
[00:33:58]  For example, everybody that has been had.
[00:34:01]  Epstein had a relationship with, you could get that in less than three seconds.
[00:34:06]  Yeah.
[00:34:06]  And then you would look into in detail of who was actually a client and who was his cleaning lady.
[00:34:11]  Frequency of travel, frequency of contact, that kind of stuff.
[00:34:14]  Yeah.
[00:34:15]  Yeah.
[00:34:15]  Yep.
[00:34:17]  So, all this could be done super easily.
[00:34:19]  And I think, I mean, Alex Jones, I'm amazed.
[00:34:23]  Maybe Alex can get very emotional.
[00:34:25]  He can go on because he has to be just to keep up the momentum of his show.
[00:34:32]  So, I give him a lot of breaks because he taught me so much when I was first learning about this stuff.
[00:34:38]  But I think he might have gotten emotional, triggered on certain things and forgotten that Trump has to, you know, Steer the ship through the waves of realpolitik, which also includes that he could be assassinated by the Mossad network that includes half the State Department.
[00:34:59]  I mean, he has to really think about these things.
[00:35:02]  So, to make the project successful overall, he has to stay alive and he has to keep Israel on board and make everybody happy, which is also what he's excellent at.

=== Venezuelan Oil And Security (08:02) ===

[00:35:13]  He's Mr. Make a Deal.
[00:35:15]  So, I'm still happy.
[00:35:18]  I was happy with Venezuela from day one.
[00:35:21]  I was happy with Iran from day one.
[00:35:23]  I think all the Iranians in exile are still exuberantly happy.
[00:35:27]  They keep saying, go back and bomb the shit out of them.
[00:35:30]  You know, I'm somewhat very, very afraid of bombing the whole country and its infrastructure back into the Stone Age because that comes with enormous human loss and loss of human life.
[00:35:42]  That's not a good idea.
[00:35:43]  Electricity cut to hospitals is a bad idea.
[00:35:46]  You know, water supply, all that stuff.
[00:35:50]  But as far as oil is concerned, knowing what I know about, Communist countries, it's amazing how well the system can adjust through black market supplies from other countries and still keep operating even when the official supply networks are cut.
[00:36:08]  I think that's how Russia survived for a long time and many other countries.
[00:36:12]  That's how the third world survives, for goodness sake, without electricity or fuel.
[00:36:19]  So, yeah, but I think overall, the quicker the better, right?
[00:36:26]  Yeah, they have to just keep going and keep taking out this IRGC, wherever they are, take out as many of them as they can.
[00:36:34]  And if they want to do something, they can actually cripple.
[00:36:40]  There's an island in the northern part of the sea there where it passes 90%, I forget the name of it, but 90% of their oil goes through that island.
[00:36:53]  All they have to do is bomb the places where they end up, and the mechanism to load.
[00:37:01]  Uh, oil on the ships, not destroy the whole thing, just take out those key points and then stop the whole thing.
[00:37:09]  That would really cripple them permanently until they would allow them to fix it, you know?
[00:37:16]  Yeah.
[00:37:16]  But that's simply an air bomb, bombing from the air.
[00:37:20]  You don't have to send troops there to do that.
[00:37:22]  But I think also that's what Trump said when he said we're going to bomb them to the Stone Age.
[00:37:26]  He didn't say we're going to go in and, you know, shoot them, shoot them up.
[00:37:30]  Yeah, but I don't think we should do, you know, let the electric system alone, let the You know, let the key things that are necessary for life stay in place.
[00:37:39]  Yeah.
[00:37:40]  You know, the humanitarian thing, because I think also this is the number one chance to kind of, after Afghanistan and Iraq, which were outright disasters, to kind of regain respect for the American military by winning, you know, the hearts and minds in this whole thing and actually genuinely making Iran a better, wealthier, and safer, nicer place after this, which is totally still possible.
[00:38:05]  So, hey, As far as I vote, full steam ahead, you know, be sensible.
[00:38:10]  But and also remember when you are bombing infrastructure related to oil, the Iranian people did not own that.
[00:38:19]  The globalist infrastructure owns it, they run it.
[00:38:24]  Nobody in Iran owns any oil stuff, oil refineries, or oil pumps, as much as nobody in Venezuela owns, you know, oil pumps or refineries, unlike Texas, which actually where people own it privately, the oil fields.
[00:38:39]  So, yeah.
[00:38:40]  I think that's what we are.
[00:38:44]  Two questions come to mind.
[00:38:46]  One, Trump seems to feel the United States is entitled to the oil of other nations like Venezuela and Iraq, Iran.
[00:38:57]  And number two, if he were to bomb the facilities, as Bill is suggesting, then it would be impossible to get the oil out, and the oil shortage worldwide would drive the prices up not only gasoline, but inflation here in the U.S., the loss of value of the dollar.
[00:39:16]  I think the petrodollar is already.
[00:39:19]  Dead and gone.
[00:39:20]  I think the Gulf Coast countries that had an agreement basically continued trade only in US dollars as long as US provided security.
[00:39:29]  They found the US can't provide them security, that the only security they can obtain from Iran is from Iran.
[00:39:37]  So I think we're going to find the Gulf Coast countries are realigning themselves with Iran, ironically.
[00:39:43]  But I do believe the problem, and it's a tightrope for Trump, is he wants to keep the oil flowing.
[00:39:49]  Notice he's even relieved sanctions on Russia and Iran to get the oil out there because he is very sensitive to the price of gasoline at the pump.
[00:40:01]  Aren't these problems for Trump, Catherine, first, then Bill?
[00:40:06]  I think so, definitely.
[00:40:08]  Definitely.
[00:40:09]  But I also think, I mean, remember our bet when I said that by May, the Alaskan Stuff needs to come on.
[00:40:17]  Sorry, the Venezuelan pumps need to probably come online and Venezuela will be pumping oil like crazy.
[00:40:23]  I mean, Venezuelan oil fields are staggering, I think even compared to Iran.
[00:40:29]  I don't know the exact international comparisons, but it's the biggest by a mile known fields in the whole of Latin America.
[00:40:38]  And the legal question of does he have a right to oil well the victor, the spoils, right?
[00:40:46]  But.
[00:40:48]  I don't think so.
[00:40:49]  From the way I've seen Secretary Rubio set everything up, I don't think the relationship with Cuba and Venezuela will be an exploitative one.
[00:41:00]  I don't see that.
[00:41:01]  What I hope and I surmise that they will do is what some countries do, like Norway and even Libya, had it a sovereign wealth fund that's funded through the sale of natural resources that then funds the development of the country.
[00:41:16]  This is how Libya had, for example, a perfectly free, very good healthcare system.
[00:41:20]  That many people didn't know about.
[00:41:22]  And I think the entire irrigation system of North Africa was paid through that, right?
[00:41:28]  Well, they did a lot.
[00:41:29]  Yeah, he did a lot.
[00:41:30]  Gaddafi did.
[00:41:31]  Yeah, Gaddafi.
[00:41:32]  And so if they did something like that, it would be the biggest wealth boom in Venezuela and by proxy in Latin America that has ever been known.
[00:41:44]  That would be fantastic because through wealth comes security.
[00:41:48]  If you want to live in a safe neighborhood, your neighbors have to be as wealthy as you, ideally.
[00:41:54]  Right, that's when you're truly safe.
[00:41:56]  If you have a huge income difference between your neighbors, you will always be at the mercy of crime.
[00:42:03]  But when people start owning stuff themselves and build wealth, that's when they start becoming protective of their own stuff.
[00:42:10]  So, I think for the security of America, improving the wealth of Latin America is the best way forward.
[00:42:17]  And I had the impression that was Secretary Rubio's game plan with Cuba and with Venezuela.
[00:42:25]  So, I'm very optimistic.
[00:42:26]  And also, he's a Cuban refugee, you know, the son of Cuban refugees.
[00:42:31]  So, yeah, I mean, I'm a direct refugee from a communist country.
[00:42:36]  He might have been born in the US.
[00:42:37]  I don't really know.
[00:42:38]  I have to look into it.
[00:42:39]  But either way, by coming from a situation like that, you understand it so much better than somebody who just learns it theoretically in his geography lessons.
[00:42:49]  So, I'm just optimistic.
[00:42:51]  I think, yeah, it's all good news.
[00:42:55]  I personally think that, you know, the maximum they should do is.
[00:43:00]  If they're going to do anything, the maximum they should do would be to shut off the pipe, the ability to load oil onto tankers on that island.
[00:43:11]  Is it Karg Island?
[00:43:13]  I think that's it, yeah.

=== Iran Nukes And Missiles (03:44) ===

[00:43:16]  But otherwise, I think the best option is to continue doing what they're doing, just using bombers and fighters to drop bombs on them and take out the IRGC.
[00:43:26]  That's what they're doing.
[00:43:27]  And the leadership, that's what both the Israelis and the U.S. are doing.
[00:43:33]  I think the Israelis are focusing more on leadership and the US is more focusing on the IRGC.
[00:43:40]  So, but that's what I think they should continue doing and just wait till sooner or later they're going to fall.
[00:43:49]  I mean, it's just only a matter of time.
[00:43:52]  I think so.
[00:43:53]  That way you don't destroy infrastructure that has to be rebuilt after the war is over anyway.
[00:43:59]  So, and then it only makes it harder for the country to rebound.
[00:44:03]  So it's better to.
[00:44:05]  Keep the stuff necessary for a rebound for the country and just bomb the out of the RGC.
[00:44:11]  That's what I'd say.
[00:44:13]  That's my vote.
[00:44:14]  Now, the reports I'm getting from individuals that appear to be highly qualified Colonel McGregor, Scott Ritter, Colonel Wilkerson, Larry Johnson all suggest this has been a catastrophe for the United States.
[00:44:31]  Now, we knew in advance we couldn't defeat Iran, it's been war game by the army in the past.
[00:44:38]  It never led to an American victory.
[00:44:42]  And they believe that Iran has more missiles than we have.
[00:44:46]  I mean, how many times did I hear Colonel McGregor observe we're going to run our missiles before they run our missiles?
[00:44:53]  It appears to be true.
[00:44:55]  Our missiles interceptors are very expensive.
[00:44:57]  Their missiles, at least in their initial use of arsenal of old weapons, are very inexpensive.
[00:45:04]  Drones are very inexpensive.
[00:45:07]  At least at all, the cost benefits equation favor Iran and not the United States.
[00:45:12]  The logistics of, of course, supporting ground troops in Iran are just a nightmare.
[00:45:17]  I mean, they're actually literally impossible.
[00:45:20]  And I say this as a former Marine Corps officer there's no way this could be sustained, ground troops in Iran.
[00:45:28]  It's just preposterous.
[00:45:30]  Iran has an army of over a million.
[00:45:33]  They've been preparing for this kind of eventuality for 30 years.
[00:45:39]  I think there's no possible way.
[00:45:41]  When they talk about recovering Iranian troops, Uranium, it's a fantasy.
[00:45:47]  It's a fantasy.
[00:45:48]  They have deep underground cities.
[00:45:50]  They're virtually invulnerable even to nuclear attack.
[00:45:54]  And in fact, Professor Postel, Thomas Postel from MIT, has explained how he believes Iran already has 10 or 12 nukes, meaning deliverable nuclear warheads.
[00:46:08]  They didn't have to go through the special process of creating special bombs.
[00:46:12]  They had enough uranium, it was able to process it to a degree.
[00:46:17]  Where they can create these warheads.
[00:46:19]  And in fact, the new Ayatollah, in his most recent address, referred to nuclear deterrence.
[00:46:27]  I believe Iran actually already has nukes.
[00:46:30]  Now, in the fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khamenei, although he was prohibiting the use of nuclear weapons or their development by Iran, he did have an exception that if the existence of the nation were at risk, That Iran would be entitled to use nukes.
[00:46:50]  Now, his fatwa died with him, and there has not been a replacement of that inhibition.
[00:46:58]  I believe Iran already has nukes.

=== US Military Interests (14:37) ===

[00:47:00]  How, if I'm right, if Professor Postel, who's really the expert, has it right, how does that work into the equation?
[00:47:10]  Oh, if they had nuclear weapons, then why haven't they used it up to now?
[00:47:14]  Because they're getting the shit beaten out of them right now.
[00:47:18]  Well, see, that's so fascinating because all the evidence I have is exactly the opposite that Iran is being decimated, that they're having sirens and having a fleet of the bunkers 10 times a day.
[00:47:33]  When Trump gave his speech, they launched a massive attack on Israel just to show what he was saying was hopelessly inaccurate.
[00:47:42]  All the American bases have been destroyed.
[00:47:46]  My impression, Bill, is almost 100 degrees opposite of yours and Catherine's.
[00:47:52]  I mean, that fascinates me.
[00:47:54]  That fascinates me.
[00:47:56]  How we could be so far apart on something as fundamental as who appears to be prevailing here.
[00:48:02]  Okay.
[00:48:04]  Here's how we settle these things because both of them are basically questions of data, data validity.
[00:48:11]  Okay.
[00:48:12]  So, Professor Fetzer, you have your data sources, you have your data sources, right?
[00:48:16]  It's all a collation of past experience, past knowledge, Bill can't talk about, and a lot of things.
[00:48:23]  Now, if you can't decide which of your two professors in a collaboration who are at each other because they disagree could possibly be right, you go back to basics, like big fundamental, big.
[00:48:36]  Let's zoom out and look at the big picture.
[00:48:38]  Are there any quantitative numbers that could give us a hint of who might be more right?
[00:48:44]  Because these sort of situations come up, it's a big.
[00:48:47]  Particle physics collaborations all the time.
[00:48:50]  Okay.
[00:48:51]  The way we solve it is we zoom out and we think, what are the big parameters that are undeniable?
[00:48:56]  And for me, the big parameters that are undeniable is that the US is the number one biggest economy in the world that has the by far biggest military industry ever.
[00:49:10]  Ever.
[00:49:11]  They have the biggest military spending and have done so for absolutely sweet decades.
[00:49:17]  And yes, of course, there's a The $200 hammer and toilet seat ring, you know, and among that, a lot of inefficiency.
[00:49:25]  But compare that to Iran.
[00:49:28]  Iran is not a world power.
[00:49:31]  Iran has been under sanctions.
[00:49:32]  Iran has been on its hind legs several times, ready to collapse.
[00:49:37]  How the sweet F could they possibly keep up with the biggest military in the world?
[00:49:41]  So I would really question those people who are telling us that there's no way the US could defeat Iran.
[00:49:47]  How is that even possible, given the amount of material, money, Effort, personnel, manpower, and just ruthless dedication that has flown into these two things.
[00:49:58]  I can't make sense of it.
[00:50:00]  I think they were thinking of it as a ground invasion of Iran, so it would turn into another Vietnam, things like that.
[00:50:07]  I don't disagree with that.
[00:50:08]  I think that's a bad idea.
[00:50:11]  I just think we should continue the way we're doing right now, continue the bombing program.
[00:50:16]  Sooner or later, they're going to break.
[00:50:19]  You know, another thing about this war simulation, when I hear the US Army says, dot, dot, dot, a couple of things.
[00:50:25]  The US Army and the military as a whole has, and the CIA has been lying professionally for decades.
[00:50:34]  They've been lying so much, they started lying to their leadership and to themselves to the point that they started believing their own lies, number one.
[00:50:41]  Number two, and this is a big problem in the CIA, by the way, where I can prove with statements of agents like John Kiriakou that not even high level CIA operatives knew what the sweet F was going on.
[00:50:52]  Kind of obvious to me.
[00:50:53]  I'll do a show about that.
[00:50:54]  But the second thing is, the US military has been a deep state operation for as long as I can remember.
[00:51:02]  So any sort of war game simulations would have been carefully tuned to come up with the right answer.
[00:51:10]  And, you know, if you rely on any of the old models, I mean, you know that.
[00:51:16]  If you rely on the old shit at NSA, you got it wrong.
[00:51:19]  You had to write your own, right?
[00:51:21]  Well, that's why the problems weren't solved.
[00:51:24]  Yeah.
[00:51:24]  As you keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome and you don't get it.
[00:51:29]  Yeah.
[00:51:29]  And the entire setup of the US military and the old, you know, the great game of the crown, which is puppeteering and has been the US for so long, was that the baddies, black and whites, the game had to be kept up.
[00:51:43]  If you just tell everybody that, you know, we could solve crime by next Wednesday and we can actually see who's hacking all these laptops because NSA has all the IP addresses and the network logs, well, then, you know, Your game is unmasked.
[00:51:57]  If you can tell them that, you know, all these baddie states around the world, we could just like literally finish them off within by the summer, frankly, if we wanted to.
[00:52:06]  We just keep the game going so that we have, you know, black and white and the order out of chaos and the whole Masonic game plan that we've been playing all along.
[00:52:14]  And frankly, we don't have a better idea because that's what we've been always doing.
[00:52:18]  You know, that's what it sounds like to me.
[00:52:20]  It sounds like a big old pile of legacy doo doo, what comes out of the US military.
[00:52:26]  Maybe that's why Trump sacked his chief of staff of the army because he was like, God, we need 2.0.
[00:52:34]  Don't you think?
[00:52:35]  Anybody?
[00:52:36]  Yeah, I mean, for example, when NSA wanted to do a transition to the digital age, they brought in people who had just retired from NSA to help them move forward.
[00:52:50]  Well, those are the people that got you to where you are.
[00:52:52]  Those are the people who designed the system you're currently working on.
[00:52:55]  That's what they know.
[00:52:56]  And that's where they're going to stay.
[00:52:58]  And that's the problem with it.
[00:52:59]  You bring in the wrong people to help you move forward.
[00:53:03]  You don't talk to people who have been there for so long and have been advocating for the existing system.
[00:53:09]  You look to people who are objecting to what's going on, who are trying to do something different.
[00:53:14]  Those are the people who are going to bring you forward.
[00:53:16]  Those are the people they should have talked to, but they didn't.
[00:53:19]  And I think this is the same case here.
[00:53:20]  But hopefully, they got the right people talking about ground invasion and we don't do it.
[00:53:26]  Because it's not a smart thing to do.
[00:53:28]  Then again, I mean, General Raisin Kane was all about that with ISIS.
[00:53:33]  I think he knows the parameters you have to watch very well.
[00:53:38]  Dan Razen Kane by the side of Trump and not one of the old fuckers already gives me a lot of faith because he's one of the people who actually went against the dogma of the day and said, well, actually, we can finish ISIS in three weeks.
[00:53:52]  And then he did it in two.
[00:53:54]  He just, he was being held back.
[00:53:55]  You know, the same with the appointment of Sean Curran, who was the protective detail leader, who kept sending letters and requests for more protection for Trump, saying, well, he's not just any old candidate.
[00:54:07]  He's, you know, a former president and the most controversial president, you know, under the most attack we ever had.
[00:54:13]  We need more protection, and he kept being turned down.
[00:54:16]  So, when Trump brought in the people who'd been held back all the time, that is exactly what should be done.
[00:54:23]  There's no other way to go move forward, right?
[00:54:27]  That's what I think.
[00:54:28]  Yep.
[00:54:30]  Now, there's a general consensus here that this was a war of choice, this wasn't a war of necessity.
[00:54:35]  We weren't forced to attack Iran, we did it voluntarily.
[00:54:40]  And there's a tremendous anxiety that we did it at the request of Israel, that Donald Trump is Bibi's puppet.
[00:54:48]  For which, I mean, it's a very widely held view.
[00:54:52]  I think it's essentially correct, and therefore I'm distraught.
[00:54:57]  I mean, I voted for this guy three times.
[00:54:59]  I believe when he said he wanted to make America, you know, great again, America first, I believed all that.
[00:55:07]  I think in practice, however, his actual deeds have been very, very different, and he's been promoting the interests of Israel, even contrary to those of the United States.
[00:55:19]  With exceptions, but I think overall, that's how I see it, in particular in relation to foreign policy.
[00:55:27]  How do you respond to those kinds of criticism?
[00:55:29]  Because it split Mega.
[00:55:31]  Mega is virtually demolished now over the war, the belief that he was going to keep us out of foreign wars, and now he's got us in one that is massively threatening to the well being and future of the United States.
[00:55:44]  Your thoughts?
[00:55:47]  Well, the last poll I saw on MAGA and Republicans was that 75% of them supported it.
[00:55:55]  So there may be a break in some of them, but I think still the majority is with him on this.
[00:56:01]  And frankly, I'm quite surprised why we as the United States allowed this to continue for so many decades, because they've been killing our people off and on with missiles to our bases in the area, not just Hezbollah and Hamas or any of those other people.
[00:56:20]  They fired missiles into our bases.
[00:56:22]  And they've been doing it for years.
[00:56:24]  And I've been wondering what the hell do we have?
[00:56:26]  What leadership do we have in the United States here where we let that happen and don't do anything about it?
[00:56:33]  Well, now we have a president who's doing something about it.
[00:56:35]  And I'm all for that.
[00:56:37]  And I want him to continue, but I don't want him to waste people going into a ground war internally in Iran.
[00:56:44]  Stay out of that.
[00:56:45]  You can bomb the shit out of them.
[00:56:49]  That's okay with me.
[00:56:50]  Yeah, I on the other hand remind everybody that we had two things.
[00:56:54]  Number one, leading up to the war, Trump and his advisors have repeatedly asked for a deal and an open admission that Iran's not going to develop a nuclear weapon.
[00:57:04]  And just like when you're trading with the gypsies, sorry to bring a Romanian reference here, you're being fucked over all the time.
[00:57:11]  They say one thing and then they string you along.
[00:57:13]  And that was pretty much gypsy cow trading all along.
[00:57:16]  And at some point, you have to pull the trigger and say, look, stop fucking with us.
[00:57:20]  And I saw that Trump did it exactly at the right time.
[00:57:23]  And it was obvious with so many second, third, fifth, fourth, and 12th attempts when they kept, you know, because there were ongoing negotiations leading up to it.
[00:57:34]  And everything was just the bullshit that the Iranian people know so well from their leadership.
[00:57:40]  Just like this, the same bullshit that all the communist people knew from it wasn't really their leadership, it was their imposed leadership.
[00:57:46]  And with these bloody criminals, you just have to pull the trigger and say, sorry, game over.
[00:57:53]  So I remember that distinctly, the negotiations falling flat on their faces repeatedly and every olive branch being literally crapped on.
[00:58:02]  Number two, I have heard for the longest time the threat of Iranian hit squads against the president.
[00:58:09]  Remember the drone video that showed the drone exploding above Mar-a-Lago?
[00:58:14]  It was all CGI, but it was one of those many threats.
[00:58:17]  And we heard it all about Iran.
[00:58:19]  And, well, if that was true, if the CIA wasn't lying all along, which, by the way, is what I'm claiming, but.
[00:58:25]  You know, then if people say this is the truth, then you have to take it to its full logical conclusion with the CIA.
[00:58:32]  You take the CIA by the tail and say, Hey, you know, you said that.
[00:58:36]  Well, you now are in with us, right?
[00:58:39]  You take it all the way through its logical conclusion.
[00:58:42]  And the third thing about Israel, yes, I think Israel picked the exact timing because they've been embedded in the leadership for a long time, infiltrated it because they too are part of the great game and puppeteering both sides.
[00:58:55]  It's the Rothschild.
[00:58:57]  Thiefdom, after all, right?
[00:58:59]  But they picked the timing.
[00:59:00]  But for the first time in history, we have the interests of the US, the interests of Israel, and the interests of the Iranian people beautifully aligned.
[00:59:11]  It's for, I mean, my best friend is Iranian, and her and I were joking, like making jokes about the fact that look, now the Iranian people and the people of Israel all agree.
[00:59:24]  Let's get rid of this stupid ass leadership.
[00:59:26]  Isn't that beautiful?
[00:59:28]  Isn't that the foundation for a new alliance?
[00:59:31]  And also, regarding the other Middle Eastern states, aren't they all sick of having this medieval bullshit among their myths and being held back economically by being continually adjacent to this big ass threat?
[00:59:45]  And look at it.
[00:59:45]  It's supposedly they are on the same side, yet they're being hit by missiles.
[00:59:50]  You know, Dubai is being hit by missiles.
[00:59:52]  What is that about?
[00:59:54]  It is basically the dying throes of a criminal regime that has been propped up.
[01:00:00]  By the old cabal, and thank god it's being eliminated.
[01:00:04]  That's what I think.
[01:00:06]  It's like all around, Jim.
[01:00:08]  The Israelis say, like, go ahead, yeah.
[01:00:15]  It continues to astonish me how we could be so far apart on some issues that are so important and so fundamental.
[01:00:22]  But I respect you both, I admire you both, and I'm glad for these conversations.
[01:00:28]  A final thought, Bill.
[01:00:29]  Yeah, I was just going to say, uh, you know, I watched a This one TV channel out of England, London, I believe, run by a guy, I think, who's Iranian, and he's got contacts back in Iran, and he keeps bringing up and showing different videos that people take with their cameras and then smuggle out through, I think, Starlink back to him, and he pushes them on the air.
[01:00:58]  And in the background, you can hear that people say different kinds of things.
[01:01:01]  And what he's been saying is that they're talking about, I mean, I don't speak Persian, but they were saying that.
[01:01:08]  You know, they're afraid that they won't hear the bombs anymore because then they mean that means to them they won't have any more support from America.
[01:01:15]  They want to continue to hear the bombs coming so it gets rid of their evil regime.
[01:01:21]  Iranians want to continue to hear the bombs.
[01:01:25]  They want to hear the bombs.
[01:01:26]  That's what they're saying because that means we're supporting them.
[01:01:29]  Yeah.
[01:01:30]  That's what that says to them.
[01:01:33]  As a child refugee from a communist country, I know exactly what that feels like.

=== Fearing Silence Behind World (00:28) ===

[01:01:37]  There's nothing worse than feeling left behind by the world.
[01:01:42]  Well, Catherine, Bill, another sensational conversation.
[01:01:45]  I can't tell you how much I value these weekly meetings we have here.
[01:01:50]  And I just say thank you both.
[01:01:53]  This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Real Deal special with Bill Benny and Catherine Horton Under Fire.
[01:02:00]  Another fascinating exchange.
[01:02:03]  Thank you for joining us here today.