REAL DEAL SPECIAL (4 March 2026): Katherine Horton & Bill Binney UNDER FIRE!
Katherine Horton and Bill Binney clash over Iran’s post-Homini regime shift, with Horton celebrating the fall of a "medieval nutcase" regime despite U.S. soldier deaths, dismissing 30,000 protester claims as CIA-MI6 fabrications. They accuse Washington of failing in its open-ended military campaign—redeploying THAAD from Korea and mobilizing B-52s—while Iran’s dispersed forces endure, leveraging oil price spikes to force negotiations. Binney counters with conspiracy theories about global elites and Israel’s alleged manipulation, framing the conflict as a test of U.S. resolve amid economic strain and European energy dependence, with Trump’s moves risking midterm backlash or global support. [Automatically generated summary]
This is Jim Fetzer with another real deal special.
Catherine Norton and Bill Binney under fire.
And I'm delighted to have Catherine Norton here, PhD particle physicist from Oxford, who is just as astonished, stupefied, aghast about developments in Iran this past week as am I. Catherine, give me your preliminary thoughts.
Yeah, I actually think it might shock you, but I think it's a good thing.
When I heard on Friday night that Hakubi told all the Americans to leave Israel, I knew, okay, it's going down.
So my best friend is Iranian.
I think I mentioned it.
They fled, you know, basically because they didn't want their women enslaved.
So they fled to Germany and I met her at school.
And the next morning, I thought I'm going to call her, but first I wanted to wait until it actually happens.
And the next day, by the time I got around to calling her, Homini was already dead.
And I picked her, you know, I called her in Germany and she said she cried from joy when she heard that.
She literally cried from joy.
And her mother and her had been celebrating the whole day.
And I just, I said to her, I know exactly how you feel because even to this day, every time I see the footage of our dictator, Nikolai Cherzescu being shot, it just warms my heart.
Really, I have tears of joy and endless relief that our families were not tortured any longer and the country could improve.
And that's very much how the Iranians feel.
I mean, did you see the happy street parties in various U.S. cities?
And I thought it was quite telling that at the end of the first day of the war, when they pretty much killed all the big, meaningful people in the first two hours or something like that, at night, tear on at night, all the lights were on.
There were fireworks in one clip that I saw.
People were celebrating.
People were out with their cars honking.
You know, just incredible relief that this medieval nutcase regime is now being finally toppled.
So I have been just following it.
And of course, I mean, there are always, always casualties.
You know, they are talking about the, I think by now, five American soldiers who died.
And I'm sure that there are casualties in Iran.
But regarding the U.S. soldiers, I mean, I got to tell people, the FBI murders more targeted individuals per year than that.
So that's just the premeditated FBI murders that are being done as part of the FBI's torture and slo-col murder program that's known as the Targeted Individual Program.
If they really cared about lives, how about those American lives?
But anyway, I mean, it's very, very sad.
And I think for those families, they truly sacrificed.
Somebody was, I think it was Megan Kelly who suggested that they didn't really sacrifice themselves for the US, but for Iran.
Now, I think that's a really callous way of looking at it.
And also, it's wrong because at the same time, I distinctly remember, I think it was even Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly who were talking about potential Iranian hit squads, even long before the Iranian war now.
Potential Iranian HID squads being out to get Trump.
Now, how can you be worried about Iranian HIIT squads and not think that the regime change is a good thing if you're just looking at the American interests?
I mean, you can't be worried about these guys, you know, out to get Trump, the man who was elected by the highest mandate by all the American people, and worry about him getting shot by, you know, basically agents of this NASA regime.
So, and yes, people are saying that Israel had this plan, but then again, you know, the world had this plan for a long time.
Everybody wanted to be rid of these shitheads, you know, everybody in Europe.
I mean, we never looked at Iran as a pleasant holiday destination to go with your family.
And why not?
You know, in the 70s or 60s, it would have been.
It would have been beautiful.
So I'm just utterly exuberant.
And just like the people of Venezuela celebrated when they got rid of Maduro, I'm celebrating with them and with the Iranians.
And I think it's all good.
And it now comes down to how quickly and effectively they can wrap it up.
And the absolute most important aspect is that whoever replaces this regime mustn't be connected to the Freemasons and the intelligence agencies.
It has to be genuinely representatives of the people.
As soon as it's again a batch of Mossad agents or like in Afghanistan where they replaced the Taliban with the Taliban, it has to be truly a sea change.
So that's my view.
How do you see the whole thing?
Pretty much 180 degrees.
Yeah.
That's what makes these Wednesdays.
I'm just dumbfounded that we have this profound difference.
I'm reporting on this many hours a day.
Iran is shellacking Israel, taking out American bases all over the Gulf.
United Arab Emirates has already asserted it won't have any American bases any longer.
The Gulf states believe they've been betrayed by America, which is only there to defend Israel.
They had a gathering of 88 Shia clerics to elect the new supreme leader and Israel took them all out, all of them.
And I believe that's going to have a unifying effect on Muslims.
I think it was colossally evil.
And, you know, my interpretation is just very, very different.
I have been to Iran.
We have now Trump because the Iranian missile project has been so successful.
And if you study the terrain, you can see why the mountainous Iran dominates all the Gulf states, which are capable of defending themselves, and why it would be virtually impossible for them to put up a fight against Iran.
Not that it was ever really intended, but when they began housing the American forces, they made themselves vulnerable.
They now, I think, profoundly regret having done so.
They have, according to the reports I have, selected the son of Ayatollah Khomeini, the original who, you know, in 1979 led the Islamic revolution to retake control of their government after the United States had taken out Mossadegh, the prime minister of Iran in 1953 in a coup with MI6.
So CIA MI6, Kermit Roosevelt, who's a cousin of former President Teddy Roosevelt, led the coup.
I mean, Catherine, we could hardly be more opposite here.
My question to the son who's trying to, you know, trying to ascend this Islamist throne.
With everybody else dead, how long does he expect to be alive?
That's my question.
I mean, the people didn't pick him.
The people want to be rid of this entire Islamist regime.
And also, I'm not sure how well Iran is doing.
I mean, you know, they can claim anything, but their navy is annihilated.
I'm not sure how much of an air force they have left.
It's said that, well, yeah, they can launch missiles.
I mean, any country has a number of them.
But I heard that their missile strikes are down by 68%, which kind of implies they're either running out of ammo or people to fire them because they are defecting.
You're freezing up, Gillan Freeze.
They're not running out of ammo.
The best military experts, to my knowledge, Colonel McGregor, Scott Ritter, Larry Johnson, have all been predicting that this would be a catastrophe for the American military.
I believe that's how it's playing out.
Catherine, let me hope you're going to unfreeze here.
I do not know if you can hear me, but, you know, I'll pause and see if we get a.
Got you, Ben.
We got you back.
You were frozen.
So did I freeze?
Listen, Catherine.
The best experts I can find, Colonel McGregor, Scott Ritter, Larry Johnson.
We got a couple of Chinese professors just doing magisterial work.
I sent links for several of these, which I knew you would almost certainly not have time to watch.
Well, we know I've read through the game.
Iran is clobbering Israel.
I don't know.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes, it's massive.
And I mean, Trump has lost it.
He was even suggesting having American naval vessels escort oil tankers to the Straits of Hormuz.
I mean, the guy is such an ignoramus.
I mean, talk about an impossibility.
And they have shut the Straits of Hormuz.
Oil is starting to climb.
I think it'll be $10 a gallon within a couple of days.
It jumped only 20 cents today, but it's going to go, keep going up.
Iran has an estimate 18,000 missiles, Catherine, 18,000.
And they've been preparing for this for, you know, over 20 years.
They've done their targeting.
They know where everything's located.
And they're being very successful by all the accounts I have.
Now, there's American propaganda, which would be very consistent with what you're reporting here, but I guarantee you it's not true.
It's not true.
So, you know.
Is it not true?
I mean, the thing is, every single one, Iran, Israel, and the U.S., they are all grandmasters and lying.
Grandmasters and absolute lying.
But then again, if I look back at the Iranian statements from a while back, they were winning and now Homey is dead.
Dead as a dodo.
How about their winning?
They couldn't even protect their supreme leader.
So how, if they can't protect their top leadership, which are already confirmed dead by their own accounts, how are they going to protect anybody else?
Because they will be taken out by the exact same mechanism.
I mean, you know, the embarrassing thing is that their top leadership lasted, what, two hours?
You know, by the time I got around to calling my friend, he was confirmed dead.
You know, and I don't believe a word of this because also the U.S. has deployed a huge amount of kick-ass firepower.
And when people go look back at Iraq and Afghanistan and they're like, yes, but you know, we couldn't win a war there, that's because the cabal, the entire Freemasonic cabal architecture, wants to keep wars going.
They control both sides, these are banker wars, and really they want to, you know, basically dump as much ammo as they can because one of the big revenues is the military-industrial complex.
And they need countries to buy ammo to have a market.
Now, if countries remain stocked up, who the hell is going to buy ammo?
So they absolutely love these decades-old wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq.
They love those things.
And remember that Raisin King rose to power when he told Trump how quickly they can take out ISIS.
You know, I can't remember the exact numbers, but you know, Trump asked him point blank, how long would it take you to take them out?
And he said, Oh, about three weeks.
And Trump said, So, why you keep going?
And he said, Well, we're not allowed.
We're not allowed to do what we can do.
And then I think in the end, he took them out in two weeks.
It was, you know, it was like those Hollywood movies, right?
When the technical expert says, oh, it will take us three hours and they do it in two.
Well, it was exactly like that, you know.
And when the U.S. Army is allowed to just do their worst, they take out leadership in two hours.
I mean, isn't that pathetic that they couldn't protect?
There wasn't a bunker deep enough.
I don't know what went wrong with these people.
Did they not expect the Americans on the Israelis to attack when they rock up with all their warships and they just deploy everything around them as close as they can get?
You know, did they think all that fuel is being spent just for show?
And then these guys are now gone.
And now there's somebody's son ascending.
I mean, look, this is ridiculous.
This is ridiculous.
What's he going to do?
He's going to, you know, after the Iranian people have celebrated in the streets, they've protested.
There are 30,000 deaths to avenge.
This thinks he's going to rock up and be like the next Ayatollah.
No, he's going to be dead before Friday.
He's going to be dead as soon as that little daffodil pokes his head out.
I got several things to say about this.
It's illegal under international law to be taking out the leaders of foreign nations.
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It's certainly illegal under American law.
President Carter, Reagan, and Ford all signed executive orders.
They've never been rescinded.
I just reviewed this particular issue before coming on.
So it's all violated of international law.
Now it was Israel who did it.
And my understanding is they fed Iran false information about when they would first strike and implied it would be at night.
And I grant you, the Iranians were far too trusting.
And we did lose him.
Now, this is like assassinating the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Pope.
This guy was his second most important.
Also a good idea.
Also a good idea, Jim.
I love it, especially the latter one.
I think it would do the world a hell of good.
No, look, international law.
When was the last time anybody gave a rat's ass?
Like, quite seriously.
I mean, you know, we had Iran.
Sorry, we had Iraq.
We had Afghanistan.
International law, it made absolutely no sense, right?
Because what?
You attacked Afghanistan because 19 Saudi Arabians flew from Hamburg, Germany, and then the CIA detonated a bunch of bombs and took down the towers.
What did Afghanistan to do with anything?
Fuck all.
That's what, right?
They wanted to plant GMO-modified poppies.
I mean, we're so far beyond.
And what about domestic law?
The fact that you can't torture people, yet they're torturing Bill daily.
I mean, just when my internet connection was knocked out just now, the Zoom went offline and the drone just shot the ceiling.
I could tell that the FBI did not like what I said about Iran.
They absolutely hated it.
So, I mean, I am living the violation of domestic law.
But they're on your side, Kath.
they want the iranians they violated international law in a way that actually the fbi doesn't care i give a shit about law u.s or international The FBI violates it.
The FBI is a SOP for the administration and performs illegal acts and covers them up.
We all know that.
But the footage I have seen contradicts your claim that Iran is basically in mourning and that it has strengthened the resolve of the Iranian people when their leader was taken out.
He is a martyr.
Remember, these are Shia Muslims.
If they die, if they're martyred, they go to heaven.
Why would millions have protested if they're mourning this dickhead?
The millions were protesting.
Millions.
Millions saw the window of opportunity.
All those people out in the streets then.
You're being plagued by video, by AI for crime.
I don't think so.
Every single report.
Well, I do think so.
I do think so.
And I ask, how many hours a week are you spending on this?
Because you have no idea how many hours I'm spending on this.
I'm doing 26 hours a week on the internet discussing this shit, Catherine.
What you are saying is contradicting all the evidential sources, and mine are diverse, diverse, and the best people.
Yeah, why are you not listening to real Iranians who have family contacts?
I'm not talking about Iranian.
I'm talking about Colonel McGregor and Scott Bruner and Larry Johnson and these Chinese professors who are just dissecting the situation methodically, methodically.
Yeah, well, Scott, I've read some of the things that Scott Ritter wrote that stuff that I know about, and I just don't trust his assessment.
And Colonel McGregor said, I already lost the war.
Trump bringing in B-52s, he's humiliated.
All the bases are taken dead.
How can he be humiliated when the leadership was dead within hours?
You know, when it comes to the city.
They love to assassinate.
Do you think Iran hadn't planned for that?
They already had the lines of succession.
You got the next guy, the next guy, and they got distributed.
Their whole, you know, ballistic warfare thing is distributed throughout the country.
It's going on.
It's like, I don't know, in the 10th or the 12th wave now, Catherine.
You know, the thing is, I'm sure they had the succession after they shot Ceausescu because I'm aware that the whole Romanian Revolution was also staged by MI6.
I mean, we actually have, you know, back in Transylvania, we saw this staging live, right?
And sure, but yet the quality of life for the people improved drastically when this, when our dictator was taken out.
And we saw what the country was like under this leadership, and it was appalling.
It was abysmal, you know.
And if you actually listen to the Iranians who are celebrating in the streets, who have family connections, who are looking forward to being able to travel back and be in a in a westernized civilized country as opposed to some medieval, you know, I don't know, backward Muslim country that is basically executing gay men and women for showing hair and ridiculous shit like that.
And also, if the population is so enamored with the leaders, why did the police have to shoot 30,000 protesters?
They didn't shoot 30,000 protesters.
That's exaggerated by a factor of 10.
And this was a classic CIA MI6 color revolution.
These were people who provocateurs.
They were using Starlink connections.
The Iranians were able to detect them.
The Chinese gave them the ability to do that.
That's why they got 80 of them lined up and they may very well be executed.
But the fact is they deserve it.
I'm just astonished.
I'm not astonished that you and I could have such divergent views of what the hell is going on in Iran.
I'm just dumbfounded.
Well, it's maybe because I come from an oppressive country.
Know we had a dictator, and I tell you that there's nothing like the feeling than seeing these people executed because it represents a sea change and the hope that your family can live in peace.
You know, I mean, our dictator was executed in 89.
Then in the 1990s, there was okay, to be fair, we had the equivalent of the rape of Russia when Western companies absolutely asset-stripped the country.
Um, we had that too, we had hyperinflation, and yet, despite all those struggles, the end was in sight.
After the 1990s, the 2000s just went better and better and better.
And, you know, there's also the reason why we had hyperinflation, all that was again staged with the banking crime cartel.
There are ways around that.
It doesn't have to be like that.
But, you know, I just find it insane that a regime that everybody agreed was funding terrorism all around the country is now a revert.
I just wasn't funding terrorism on that.
That's Israel.
That's the United States.
I mean, you talked about ISIS.
We created ISIS in 2012.
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Brennan created ISIS.
We created that terrorist army.
That was our fucking operation, Catherine.
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You gotta know that.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
Because I keep pointing out on True Social that ISIS just so happens to be the name of the River Thames that flows through Oxford, where the cabal traditionally educates their young.
But, you know, and I also know that Obama paid billions to the regime.
But the point is, they had a criminal regime to do their financial shit fuckery with.
And now we're pretending that that regime that took all the taxpayers, the stolen taxpayers' money to the tunes of I think 190 billion or however much that was, is like such a protected species.
We need to keep them in power.
Their country was an absolute fucking shithole that people fled from.
I, you know, this is this is fantastic.
Yes, you know, taxpayers' money is being wasted, but it was oop, oop, sorry.
No, no, you keep talking.
I'm trying to find something I want to share.
And look, I 100% agree with you that the intelligence agencies are still in the mix.
I mean, by the way, I still think that the murder of the leadership is a big dent to British intelligence, who's been, you know, building these people up and lovingly tending to them like Obama was, right?
This is why Keir Starmer is just so reticent because he's got the crown up his rear side.
He's being puppeteered by the people.
This is one of the shows I send you.
This is today.
This is a very popular show.
Crystal Ball, very well-known commentator on With This Guy is quite brilliant.
Let me just play a part of it.
And I want to guess your second.
I can't see the video.
Can you share it again?
I can see that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let me, let me write.
Something went wrong with the screen share.
No, I know.
It's the way I came into it.
Yeah, there we go.
There we go.
There are actually a couple of them I'd like to share.
Let me go to the first one.
Let me find it.
Here it is.
Because, again, I can't see it.
It says...
Oh, you can't see anything?
No, it's here.
It says Jim Shotza screen sharing.
Oh, okay.
You're right.
I didn't screen sharing.
You're right.
You're absolutely right.
Can you see it now?
Yes, now I can see it.
Now I can see it.
I think this guy is very good.
Now, you just give me your critique.
In every escalating conflict, there's a moment when the losing side stops managing and starts throwing everything it has.
That moment has a name in military doctrine.
It is called commitment.
Not commitment in the motivational sense.
Commitment in the irreversible sense.
Assets moved are so large, visible, and consequential, the decision cannot be walked back.
The question stops being whether to escalate.
It becomes how far the escalation goes before something stops it.
America reached that moment this morning.
B-52 Stridal Fortress bombers are being prepared for deployment to the Middle East.
15 aerial refueling tankers are crossing the Atlantic, pulling fighter jets behind them.
Thad and Patriot missile defense batteries stationed in South Korea are being rushed out and redirected to the Gulf.
I read those three sentences together because they tell a single story.
The B-52 is not a surgical instrument.
It is the largest conventional bomb delivery platform in the American arsenal.
One aircraft, one target, designed for the strike that ends the thing it hits.
The B-52 is what you send when you're not trying to end one target.
You are trying to end a campaign.
15 aerial refueling tankers crossing the Atlantic means fighter jets that cannot make the transatlantic crossing under their own fuel load are making it anyway.
F-15Es, F-16s, potentially F-35s, being dragged across the ocean by tankers that extend their range to reach a theater.
When you are moving fighters from the continental United States to the Middle East via Atlantic Tanker Bridge, you are not reinforcing a successful operation.
You're backfilling an operation that burned through its initial force posture faster than projected.
And then there's the Thad.
The Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System stationed in South Korea is not a spare battery kept in a warehouse for flexible redeployment.
It was placed there because the North Korean ballistic missile threat to Seoul and U.S. forces is a continuous danger.
Moving it out of South Korea and rushing it to the Middle East means one of two things.
Either Washington has assessed that the North Korean threat is temporarily manageable at reduced coverage, or Washington has assessed that the threat in the Middle East is so acute, so immediate, so beyond what existing Patriot batteries can handle.
That accepting elevated risk in Korea is the less bad option.
Both possibilities are alarming.
The decision was made in the apparent urgency of a morning rush.
It was a choice between two bad ones, made fast, under pressure.
Because the interceptor reports are the most operationally consequential piece of information in all of this, interceptors running dangerously low.
That phrase, from operational reporting out of the Gulf Theater, makes every other sentence in this escalation comprehensible.
It is the answer to the question every analyst watching B-52s, tankers, and Thad batteries move has been asking.
If the American defensive architecture in the Gulf was so formidable, if the Patriot systems were so capable, why is the IRGC still striking?
Why did Ras Lafin go dark?
Why did Ras Tenura burn?
Why did Al-Udaid absorb a hit?
Because the Patriot battery is only as capable as the number of interceptor missiles loaded into its launcher.
Each Patriot PSC-3 interceptor costs approximately $4 million.
Each THAD interceptor costs approximately $10 million.
Each Iranian ballistic missile that requires interception costs Iran significantly less than that.
Iran has had 20 years to build its missile inventory against the specific constraint that American interceptor costs impose.
The arithmetic of missile defense economics in a high-tempo exchange always eventually favors the side with the cheaper offensive missile.
The interceptors are running low because the exchange rate is what Iran designed it to be.
And when the interceptors run low, the Patriot battery is a radar truck and a launcher with empty tubes.
It can track.
It cannot stop.
The IRGC has been watching interceptor expenditure rates since the first salvo and has been pacing its strike tempo against the depletion curve.
The Tiad being rushed from South Korea is not a reinforcement.
It is an emergency reload.
The Gulf's missile defense architecture has been tactically bled by an adversary that understood it would be.
Now understand the geography of what is being assembled.
The American force posture that existed when the first B-2 took off to strike Iranian nuclear facilities was built around the assumption of a short, decisive campaign.
Strike the hardened targets.
Eliminate the nuclear program.
Absorb an Iranian retaliation wave that the existing Patriot coverage would suppress.
Then manage de-escalation from a position of demonstrated military superiority.
That is the campaign plan that produced the opening strikes.
That is not the campaign that is happening.
Iran did not de-escalate after its nuclear facilities were destroyed.
Iran's new leadership council made the decision that every American planner's optimistic scenario assumed they would not make.
They struck back.
Not symbolically, not proportionally.
They struck at the infrastructure of the entire Gulf energy system simultaneously, with a coordination and precision that revealed years of target development and operational preparation.
Ras Lafan, Ras Tanura, Aloudaid, the mines in Hormuz, the formal closure declaration, the regional oil export interdiction announcement, every action sequenced, every action escalatory, every action designed to impose costs that accumulate faster than America can absorb them, without committing forces at a scale that changes the political character of the war.
America is committing those forces now.
The B-52s carry conventional precision munitions.
They carry JASEM ER cruise missiles with ranges exceeding 500 miles, which means they can strike Iranian targets from positions outside the most lethal envelope of Iran's air defense network.
They carry the full range of standoff weapons that allow a 70-year-old airframe to be relevant in a contested modern air environment.
What they bring that the B-2 did not is mass.
Volume.
The ability to put munitions on a large number of targets simultaneously, which is what you need when you are no longer trying to destroy a program.
You are trying to suppress a military.
That is the operation that is being assembled over the Atlantic this morning.
And it raises a question that nobody in the buildings where these decisions are made is willing to state publicly, but that every serious analyst watching the force movements is asking in private, what is the objective?
The original objective, destroy Iran's nuclear program, was achieved.
The B-2s accomplished it.
The hardened facilities at Fordo, Natanz, and Isfahan are gone.
The centrifuge arrays that were spinning enriched uranium toward weapons-grade concentration are rubble under 30,000 pounds of precision ordnance.
The nuclear program, as it existed on the Friday before the strikes, does not exist on the Tuesday after.
That objective was achieved.
Iran is still fighting.
The objective has changed.
It must have changed because the force being assembled, B-52s, Atlantic tanker bridges, Thad from Korea, fighter reinforcements, is not a force you build to defend an accomplished mission.
It is a force you build to accomplish a new one.
And the new mission, if you follow the logic of the assets being moved and the statements being made, is the suppression of Iranian conventional military capability.
The IRGC's missile batteries, its fast attack vessel fleet, its coastal defense infrastructure, its command and control, the physical architecture that is currently enforcing the Hormuz closure and will continue enforcing it until it is destroyed, or the war ends on terms Iran can accept.
That is not a weekend operation, that is a sustained air campaign against a country of 87 million people with a military that has spent 20 years preparing for exactly this scenario.
A military that has dispersed its assets, hardened its command nodes, placed its most valuable capabilities inside civilian and urban infrastructure, specifically because it understands that American rules of engagement create targeting constraints that Iranian dispersal exploits.
A military that does not need to win the air campaign.
It only needs to survive it long enough for the economic pressure on Gulf states, on European energy markets, and on the American domestic political environment to force a negotiated exit.
Iran does not need to defeat the B-52s.
It needs to outlast them.
And the B-52s, the tankers, the THAD, none of them address the variable that determines whether Iran's strategy succeeds.
The variable is not military.
The variable is time.
How many weeks can Europe absorb $130 oil before Brussels calls Moscow?
How many weeks can Gulf states absorb IRGC missile fire against their energy infrastructure before Riyadh and Abu Dhabi?
Tell Washington that the American military presence is costing them more than it is protecting?
How many weeks can the American public watch fuel prices move toward levels not seen since the 1970s before the domestic political cost of the campaign creates pressure for a deal?
The B-52s extend American military capacity in the theater.
They do not extend the clock.
Watch what happens in Seoul.
South Korea just watched its primary missile defense coverage be rushed to another theater.
North Korea just watched it too.
Kim Jong-un has spent 30 years waiting for a moment when American attention is fully consumed.
In another theater, when the peninsula's missile defense architecture has been depleted, when the political cost of North Korean provocation is lowest because Washington is already managing a war in the Middle East and cannot absorb a simultaneous crisis in Northeast Asia, that moment did not exist when THAD was in place.
That moment is being created this morning as Thad is loaded onto transport aircraft and redirected to Bahrain.
The Korean government knows this.
The Japanese government knows this.
Both governments are making calls to Washington this morning that will compete for attention with the calls coming from Riyadh and Brussels and Doha, which are themselves competing with the operational demands of a campaign that is consuming interceptors faster than it is ending the war.
This is what simultaneous commitments look like when they all come due at once.
America built a security architecture premised on the ability to manage one major theater conflict while deterring others.
That architecture is being tested against the reality of a single commitment that is draining the interceptor stocks, the fighter availability, and the defensive coverage of every other theater simultaneously.
Thad leaving Korea is not an isolated logistics decision.
It is the proof of concept for every adversary that has been waiting to see whether the architecture holds under pressure.
It is telling them it does not hold indefinitely.
The 15 tankers crossing the Atlantic are not a signal of strength.
They are a measurement of how much the opening force posture underestimated what this campaign would require.
The B-52s being prepared are not a message of resolve.
They are the next increment of a commitment that is growing because the alternative, accepting the Hormuz closure, accepting the Gulf infrastructure destruction, accepting the energy price spiral, is politically and economically impossible for an administration that launched this war on the premise of a clean, decisive, bounded strike.
The strike was clean.
The war is not bounded, and the men who will fly the B-52s, the crews who will operate the Thad batteries in a Gulf theater that is actively being struck by the force they are being sent to suppress, the fighter pilots crossing the Atlantic behind tankers, all of them are being committed into a campaign whose objective has already changed once and whose duration.
Nobody in Washington is prepared to state publicly because stating it publicly would require answering the question.
What is the plan for next winter when Ros Laughen is still dark and Ras Tenura is still offline and the Hormuz closure has been running for weeks and Goldman Sachs is no longer modeling $150 as a base case because the base case has moved past where their models have clean numbers?
When Europe needs gas and Russia has it and the only thing standing between Brussels and Moscow is the continued willingness of European governments to absorb energy prices that their voters are not absorbing quietly.
The B-52s do not have that answer loaded in their weapons base.
America is going all in.
The question that the force movements this morning cannot answer, the question that the B-52s and the tankers and the Fayad from Korea do not address, is what all in is supposed to achieve before the clock runs out.
Iran does not need to win.
It needs to wait.
I think that's correct.
And I want your critique.
Catherine, I have, as you know, the greatest respect, but I couldn't believe how divergent we are.
I think that's basically a correct assessment.
The Navy, Trump has already said he wanted the Navy to accompany tankers to the straits of Hormuz.
And the Navy has very politely said no naval vessels are available for that assignment, which of course would be suicidal.
Iran completely controls a straight up Hormuz and Trump is just an ignoramus for him to even suggest such a thing in any case.
Just a second.
Could you stop the share so that I can see you in big?
Because I wanted to just show off as a tiny, tiny image.
Okay, so this guy, okay, there's so much to unpack in this video.
Let me remember everything.
Let me go in the sequence.
Because these videos, I mean, be careful, because first of all, that guy is AI.
Okay, so it's an AI-generated video.
And it's using a brain control or brainwash template where they are showing you a fast sequence of images that really have nothing to do with what they're saying.
So they're not backing up what they're saying with diagrams or numbers or, you know, some charts where you can just calmly look at facts.
You have like a continuous sequence of images that are hypnotic and you're meant to just take all these things on trust.
As far as I was listening to it, it was a concatenation of allegations and assumptions and remarks that were unbacked.
For example, for example, he was saying, oh my gosh, sending all these B-52s in is first of all just a sign of desperation because their quick first action didn't produce the results.
Well, is that really true?
Because if I know nothing about the military strategy, but the way they did it, they went in quickly and they killed the leadership.
So, if you really want to save taxpayers' money and ammo, you do exactly that.
You go in and you kill the leadership.
Now, you said it's against international law.
I have another take on this because every war in our lifetime up till now was a fake bankers' war with the purpose of keeping it running.
I personally think a war that doesn't take out the leaders first is a fake war.
Because if you're genuinely fighting a war and you're fighting for your life, you would take out the leadership first because the second layer of management is typically less committed.
The third layer of management could give even less fewer fucks than the second, right?
And so on.
So, the more layers you take out, the quicker the war ends.
Because the further down you go down the management chain, the less committed people are.
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They'll rather prefer to keep their house, you know, and their little life and their car and just not be bothered, right?
So, if you take out leadership first, it shows that you're genuinely fighting a war to win.
Absolutely.
Otherwise, you know, the leadership, because up until now, I'm telling you, the leaders of all these wars were both Masons, they were both paid by the Rothschilds, and they had a little stage war, which is like a puppeteer going like this with his two hands, you know.
So, the fact that they took out leadership was my, for me personally, the proof that they were serious.
Regime change, of course, it's about regime change because the regime wasn't tolerable.
I mean, it's not the Iranian people that are the problem, it's the regime.
So, of course, they're going to take them out.
Now, about the B-52s, if your first wave, you take out the leadership, and then you would wait and see what's happening to the country.
What is their second layer of leadership?
The second layer of leadership came forward, and as I understood it, they were murdered too, right?
And they will keep going until these people will give up.
It's the most economic way.
Now, the B-52s, this guy, this AI guy is absolutely right.
You want to take out the military?
Yes, of course, you do.
Because if you want the missile strikes on all these surrounding countries to be stopped, you would want to take out military installation across large areas.
Again, the deployment of the B-52s makes perfect sense.
I am glad they're doing this.
Now, what about the pulling off all the military, you know, the military buildup that you had around North Korea and just sending it down there?
Well, it has to be remembered: General Raisin Kane was more uncomfortable about Iran than he was about Venezuela.
Okay, so there will be some little bit of you exposing yourself.
But if we zoom out, do we really think that the North Korean leader would now kick off a war with South Korea after Maduro was just taken down and after the entire Iranian leadership is dead?
I mean, he could do the gamble, but I would say most likely he would die because it would be in everybody's interest to take him out because he's got nuclear weapons.
First and foremost, South Korea.
So if, you know, if the North Korean leader pulls a funny one, he will end up dead along with his entire family.
And actually, that would liberate another communist country where the people are being kept as slaves.
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, he may try.
It might just work out for the best for humanity, but not really for him.
So the other thing is there are alliances between Russia, China, and Iran.
Now, if China and Russia wouldn't pretend like at least they're trying to help Iran, I mean, they would probably violate their own international law, their little contracts, right?
So it's to be expected, which is, I think, why the Chinese produced this, you know, this little AI video clip here, you know, using an Asian guy as the AI figurehead, speaking in perfect, you know, accent-free English.
I don't know.
I didn't believe a single one of the assertions in that video.
I think it's all good.
It was being, facts were being presented.
I assume they're facts, but they were presented under a light that this is not how I interpret them.
I think that they deploy the most that they can and absolutely annihilate the Iranian military once and for all is the best way to proceed.
It's the whole shock and all sort of doctrine where you go in, you fuck them up.
Those who don't want to fight, they just give up.
And as Trump said, get instantaneous immunity.
And the rest, you just start destroying.
So if there are still missiles flying, send in the B-52s, take all those sites the hell out and be done with it.
Now, what about the oil, right?
Note, remember how we had this whole conversation about Venezuela?
And I said, my gut feeling is that it takes about six months to start an oil rig from scratch, but three months if people really throw money at it.
Now, with tariffs, the US government really can throw money at it.
And they had Venezuela at the start of January.
And now we're going towards the end of March.
So sorry, yeah, the end of March.
So that would be exactly three months.
I have the suspicion that they know that they can cushion any impact on the oil price by bringing the Alaskan oil fields and the Venezuelan oil fields online.
I still maintain that.
I don't think the oil price is going to go up.
Absolutely no way.
Because also remember, Trump had a choice of when he wanted, if he wanted to do this, if Bibi Netanyahu really wants to do this, Trump could have waited a few months until after the midterms.
I mean, we could have assumed that, you know, all his military advisors would have said that this can have an impact on the oil price.
So why did he go ahead anyway?
And I think it's because they already secured the Venezuelan oil fields.
He already did a deal with all those oil companies behind closed doors.
They know the time scale and they're like, you know, sir, it's not a problem.
Whatever, you know, whatever this will cost to the oil price, we can completely level it out by having Alaska and Venezuela.
Perfect.
And that's why they invaded Venezuela.
It had nothing to do with drugs.
It's all to do with oil, as I said.
And I am 100% sure that they can cushion it because otherwise Trump wouldn't have done it, not before the midterms.
Remember how we said that the oil price after the rent and housing prices are the biggest strain on American families?
You know, he would not have done it.
So I think, as far as I can tell, they seem to be perfectly on track.
And of course, before you send in the B-52s and drop, I don't know how many million dollars with every, you know, every explosion, of course, you want to wait and see if the country gives up and, you know, just snaps out of it.
But if the son of whoever comes forward and wants to become the next ayatollah, well, then send in the B-52s, finish them the F off.
I actually would want them to do it this way.
And again, General Raison Kane, unlike those other armchair generals who just dragged the U.S. into just decades of war, he, you know, his career took off when he demonstrated to Trump that he can finish off ISIS within two weeks or whatever, how many weeks it was.
It was weeks.
It was done.
That's it.
ISIS was no more, you know?
Two or three comments.
Kane actually went into the Oval Office and in front of Marco Rubio and JD Vance and Jared Kushner explained the U.S. did not have the equipment, the missiles to conduct this warfare, that we'd give it half of them to Ukraine and half of them to Israel.
We couldn't do it, which is consistent with Colonel McGregor's assessment that we run out of missiles before they run out of missiles.
And I believe it's happening.
In addition, Marco Rubio himself has said, Israel dragged us into the war.
It appears Mossad learned when Khamani was going to have this meeting with his four highest military, and he wanted to take the opportunity then to initiate the strike and take them out, especially because Israel is losing massive support in the United States.
It's just dropping like a rock.
And the midterms, and I now tell you, I guarantee, it's going to be a bloodbath for the Republicans.
The Democrats are going to take huge leads in the House and Senate.
They're going to impeach Trump.
If this is what he wanted to have come, he'd handle himself very well at the State of the Union.
He'd actually boxed in the Democrats.
They sat on their fanny when he'd asked things like the first role of government is to protect the safety of the American people.
The Democrats didn't even stand up for that.
Well, can you imagine the video commercial before the midterm?
But he's thrown it all away.
This is a complete disaster.
Now you are judging that, in fact, it's going to succeed and therefore Trump is going to emerge as some kind of hero.
And I'm telling you, no, this is the greatest calamity in American military history.
The American empire is being destroyed virtually overnight.
But then again, but then again, that's okay.
Here's the thing that I don't understand because in previous videos, we discussed how it is true Israel is running the U.S. government, right?
And there are all these people in Congress with double citizenships and everywhere all throughout the whole government with Israeli U.S. citizens, double citizenships, right?
And now Trump is doing exactly what Israel wanted for a long time.
In fact, Trump is doing what Trump wanted to do since the 1980s.
He himself posted this interview of himself as a young Trump from 1980, where he said that, you know, the Iranian regime killing Americans like all the time.
He just doesn't understand why people don't just go in and topple the regime by force.
And he thinks that's the right thing to do.
Now he's doing it.
Now he's completely doing exactly everything that Israel, you know, the Rothschild swift them wants.
And people believe he's still going to lose the midterms.
Well, as far as I can see, he managed to unite.
Israel is supporting him all out.
The Iranian people support him all out, right?
The Venezuelan people support him all out.
Other Latin, I mean, you know, I, as a former Romanian refugee, support him because I know what it means for Venezuela and the Iranian people, right?
I'm sure that there are other Latin Americans with their heads screwed on who think, yeah, you know, the thing in Venezuela, that was a good thing.
He should go back and get a couple more of those guys from the other countries too, while he's at it, you know?
And he has just so much support.
Now, one of the things that the video mentioned is, oh, all these calls from Riyadh and, you know, and Brussels.
Yeah, that's the other one.
Brussels.
Oh, yeah.
Really?
I mean, surely once all these oil fields come on, the Europeans could be buying oil from the Americans.
In fact, Trump was saying that that would be the decent thing to do.
You know, that would bring even more income for the Americans.
It's like Trump set up a win-win-win where he made, you know, he made the Israelis happy and he made the Iranians happy.
I mean, how freaking genius is that?
I think it's brilliant.
And, you know, yes, okay, he didn't win a war in five days, but he killed the entire regime.
And the next player is going to get weaker and the next player is going to get weaker still.
And if I were in the Iranian military, would I take up the American president's offer of instantaneous immunity when I can, because surely, I mean, my superiors might shoot me if I, you know, do it too openly.
But would the military eventually collectively take immunity or would they continue a war after they watched for months how their own population hates them?
You know?
It's like it's unwinnable.
And I'm telling you, for a while, Russia is going to be barking a bit because they have to.
Otherwise, they don't honor their contracts.
China is going to be barking a bit.
But really, do they give a shit about Iran?
Was Iran that big a market for them?
I don't think so.
These guys have bigger fish to fry.
So I just don't see this whole thing so bleakly at all.
Oh, the other thing about the oil price, and this is something the Europeans know very, very, very well.
The oil price has really nothing to do with the underlying oil price, especially not in Europe.
In fact, the oil cartel is such a big, huge cabal around the world.
They can use any excuse to raise the oil price.
And in Europe, they do.
So, you know, Bill said to me, well, the oil price rose by 11 cents.
I think that was last night.
And my comment was, well, the oil cabal will raise whatever excuse they can find.
You know, a snow leopard farts funny.
They will raise the oil price.
They'll say, oh, this just affords, you know, this affects supply.
Let's raise the oil price.
Why the hell would they not?
They have a complete control.
They will use any excuse to do price gouging.
Of course, they would be morons not to.
Oh, there's a war in Iran.
If they did not raise the oil price, they would be morons.
Absolutely.
You know, the straight of hormoose.
Great excuse.
Raise the oil price.
I don't believe a bleeding word of anything that these people are saying.
The other thing is if we zoom out, Iran was not a strong country.
It was on its last legs because of sanctions.
Then it recovered a bit under Biden.
But really, four years were not enough to turn it into a booming country.
And now it's being attacked by the biggest and most advanced military force on the planet and its little brother that has all the military, it basically stole all the IP from the Americans, as Bill can confirm.
You know, the Israelis stole all the stuff that Bill invented.
I'm sure they stole everything else that they could steal and have all the technology that the Americans have as well.
And they haven't even rolled out the directed energy weapons yet, like they did in Venezuela.
I think it's because they really want to just, you know, get rid of all the old ammunition, you know, open, have some space in the warehouses and bring in the modern stuff when they can, you know, I think it's this, this thing is not going to last.
It's going to be a couple more bombing, you know, waves.
I think I trust General Kane.
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I think what he did was fucking brilliant so far.
Absolutely loved it.
10 out of 10.
You know, he went for the leadership.
He's going to finish them off.
And I think, you know, in a week or two, it's all going to be.
I'm sorry, Jim.
I cannot be anything but super happy about what happened in Iran.
I just can't be.
Well, it's ironic for opposite reasons.
I'm very happy because I see Iran.
taking out Israel and destroying the American bases that have been a menace in the Middle East that are only there to defend Israel, which has been abusing America forever.
They don't give a shit about America or Americans.
All they want is use our resources to advance their interests, which is to dominate the entire Middle East, which I reject as an objective that is worthy of American support.
But where Trump is boxed in because they got the button they could push that would release all the files and videos that would show Trump doing a whole lot of things he shouldn't be doing.
And I know you too are again on Trump's side on this issue.
So I find it fascinating that you and I should be so diametrically opposed on this issue, Catherine.
And I agree.
Within a week or two, it will be clear which of us is right.
Yeah.
Again, the thing about the videos, yet the victims said, the victims said that Trump never did anything inappropriate.
This is the victims who are litigating against everybody else.
They said Trump never did anything inappropriate.
So the victims say that.
So far, they still haven't produced anything.
Meanwhile, there's just dirt on absolutely all in Sundry.
I just don't believe this thing about Trump being a pedophile.
I don't believe it for a second because the evidence that we went through, I debunked it all.
You know, the woman with the face blurred out, she was lying.
Eugene Carroll, she is not just lying.
She is mad as a hatter, you know?
And it's, I still haven't to this day found any concrete evidence of Trump being a creep.
None at all.
So people keep floating it as if it was proven fact.
Yet the only thing that we know about is either debunked or the victims are saying he had nothing to do with it.
Of course, we agree about Eugene Carroll being a complete fruitcake, unbelievable.
She even has a book claiming all these famous people either raped her or tried to rape her.
I mean, it's all ludicrous.
And that she knows that she couldn't even remember the year of the event, made it impossible for Trump to defend himself with an alibi.
He didn't even know what year we're talking about.
So that whole thing was just outrageous.
But look, I can't thank you enough for coming on with such a sterling defense.
And I'm very glad to share it because I want everyone to get both sides of the issue.
And you have defended the other side as well as anyone possibly could, Catherine.
I'm very impressed and appreciative, however much I may disagree, which is virtually every point, but there it is.
But there it is.
But this is so much fun.
I mean, you know, I love your opinions.
And it's otherwise it would be boring because you only get to the truth by hammering at it from both sides.
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So I love it.
Thank you so much.
Yes.
Well, my thanks to Catherine Horton, everyone here for this real deal special interview.