Welcome back, everyone, to our False Flags and Conspiracies Conference 2025.
I am one of your producers here today, Lorian Fenton.
And I've been asked to do a short presentation on UFology.
And I chose today to do a new presentation that I've developed because of the new disclosure that's going on within the UFO community.
And I'm sure that many of you might know about it or have read about it or have been following the Senate hearings and congressional hearings that we've been having on disclosure and listening to people like Lou Elizondo, Dylan Boyland, Dr. Danny Sheehan.
There's just so many people that have gone in front of the Congress and said, hey, Congress, guess what?
You guys have to start telling us about what you know about UFOs and crashes and aliens and everything that's involved with it.
And we're going to bring in front of you people that know all about it, that have seen the aliens, talked to the aliens, picked up the pieces of the crash ships and the whole nine yards.
Therefore, we are here to tell you that you have to tell the American public.
And guess what?
It's not happening.
It's just not happening.
So what I'm going to do for you guys is I'm going to run you through a quick, this takes about 30 minutes or maybe 40 minutes, and we'll have some questions after.
It's a two-hour presentation, but I'm going to cut it down.
So here's the deal.
I call it disclosure.
It's already happened.
And I'm going to take you through the history of the recent history of what disclosure has become and what it started out as and where we're at with it.
So here we go.
Okay.
So let's first talk about what I've known about and many other people within the UFO community have known about for many, many years.
Back when we were doing conferences on UFOs and aliens back in the 80s, some of the first conferences were in San Francisco, by the way.
I think the very first UFO conference was held in 1982, I believe, in San Francisco at the Crown Plaza Hotel, which wasn't the Crown Plaza.
It was something else back then.
But guess what?
It's the hotel where I'm holding UFOCon 2026, which will be March 20, 21 and 22.
And it's in Burlingame.
It's right below the San Francisco International Airport.
We have a shuttle to the hotel, and it's a very amazing conference.
If you'd like to check it out, go to caufocon.com.
That's C-A for California, C-A-UFOCon.com.
Please read the story on the front page about my conference.
This is our 15th year.
Very few people know about us, but my conference is one of the few conferences that has influenced people in UFology around the subject of the fact that the alien connection is real.
And it's not a question of if it's real, but it is real.
And that, and that's not Israel, but it is real.
So there you go.
So I'm going to take you back to what the government already knows about because we've known about it from these conferences and radio shows and all the things that have been going on over the last 50 years around ufology.
There were people that actually had communication with aliens that have been telling us about it for years.
The first one on my list is Clifford Stone.
He was a military intelligence officer that masqueraded as a clerk.
And whenever they'd have a crash ship, because he was an alien contactee, they'd bring him to the crash sites and have him deal with the aliens.
And usually there was bodies, but every once in a while, there would be an alien alive and he would get into a telepathic communication with the ET and accompany it to the base or wherever they were taking it and trying to keep the alien calm and the aliens keeping him calm.
And so I knew Clifford Stone for years before he passed.
And it's funny, I talked to him a couple of days before he passed.
And yeah, he had some amazing information that the government had broken into his house many times trying to retrieve.
He'd always catch him in the act and say, Look, it's not here.
So just, you know, bug off it.
I'm never going to tell you where it is.
So the reality is, I don't know.
It probably was in his house.
And his house was pretty messy.
So they would never have found it anyhow.
And I don't even know what it was that he had.
My guess was he had some alien DNA or something to that effect or an alien artifact.
Like another person within our community has several of those artifacts that one of them is a bracelet that renders you invisible in this dimension.
And that is a fact, folks.
And I've seen, I've talked to the people who have handled it.
So I know it's real.
Then there's Dan Burrish, another gentleman who is supposedly.
Now, these are all, you know, we don't know.
I don't have pictures of Clifford Stone at a crash site.
So I don't know if his story was ever real or not.
But I can almost guarantee now that we've got people coming out in the UFO community at the Senate hearing saying, yes, I was standing at a crash site.
You know, I mean, why not disbelieve him at this point, right?
So anyhow, Dan Burch, he's a biochemist or biophysicist.
I don't remember what Dan's title was, but bottom line, he was taken to an area out in the Nevada desert known as Area 51, but it was actually an S2, which is a sub place of Area 51.
And he worked with an alien called the J-Rod, if I remember correctly.
I may have it mixed up with somebody else's alien, but anyhow, he worked with it.
And at one point, while he was working with it, he actually pushed it through a portal back to its own dimension and planet.
So good for Dan.
He gave the guy a ride home.
E.T. can go home.
And Dan and Dan did that for that.
Now, that's another story you can look into.
And whether you believe it or not, it's another whole thing.
My buddy Brian Jackson has a whole website dedicated to Dan Burish and his story.
And I believe it's called the Dan Burrish story.
You can look it up online.
Just put in Dan Burrish and you will find that website.
And it's extensive.
And it just remember, it's got to be like a whole week of deep dive.
So, you know, have fun with it.
Then there's my friend Lynn Buchanan.
He is, he was Dr. Rima's husband's like pick for his military remote viewing group because Dan, I mean, I'm sorry, Lynn was a super software.
I think he's a software computer engineer.
I can't remember his hardware or software, but anyhow, bottom line is he used to blow up equipment all the time with his emotions, which was very interesting.
And it turns out he was a major contactee, which is another very interesting fact to the story.
And I will bring that up later about the military and contactees.
And Lynn, again, major contactee was actually taken and flying the ships around.
And the ETs, what's interesting about Lynn's participation with the ETs is that they asked him at one point, do you want to come with us back to our planet?
And he's like, Oh, yeah, I'd love to do that.
And they said, Well, okay.
And they were, they had just let off a group of abductees or contactees off.
And Lynn's sitting on the grass right next to the ship.
And he goes, And they go, Okay, we're going to leave now.
And he's like, No, I got to go get my family.
And they said, You can't take your family with you.
And so Lynn made the hard decision.
He decided to stay here on Earth and be with his family.
And this is right out of Lynn Buchanan's mouth, one of the top remote viewers in the United States.
And he's telling me this story about how he had a choice to go with the ETs or stay here.
And I'm thinking, oh, this is wild.
Now, that's not the only thing about Lynn Buchanan that's very extraordinary.
I had him speak at one of my conferences and he talked about how he was taken.
And I'm guessing the mid-80s, because he can't tell me he was, he wasn't even, I don't even think he was supposed to talk about this, but he did.
And he was taken to a base, and it could have been a lab.
It could have been Lawrence Livermore, it could have been Sandia, it could have been Los Alamos.
I don't know where he went, but it could have been a base.
I don't know.
But he said he was in an underground facility and he was taken to a room and he was sat right across the table from an ET and he did telepathic communications with the ET.
Now, the reason he was brought in is because he was working on the remote viewing program at the time.
So they knew he had control over his mental capacity.
They also knew about his story about him being a major contactee.
How did they know about that?
Well, that's another thing that people don't understand.
I believe, and this is just Lorian's belief now, after 55 years of research into the topic and being a contactee myself, I absolutely believe that the ETs are working with our government on some level and they have identified every contactee on this planet to our military or our government or DOD or Majestic 12 or the Cosmic 200 who's ever in charge of the ET program on this planet.
And believe me, folks, what I'm scared about is that it might be the globalist people that Dr. Rima talks about that are actually in control.
And that's another whole topic we could get into at a later date and maybe at my conference.
So there's that.
So Lynn Buchanan is sitting across the table from an extraterrestrial being having ET communication with it.
So that's very interesting.
And my final example of people that were out there long before these Senate hearings and this disclosure, whatever it is that's coming down the pike right now, is David Adair.
David Adair in 1957 was about 16 or 17 years old.
He was building these rockets that would go so fast, so quickly that the government became aware of him.
They had him build a rocket that they were going to test at Area 51 back when they just acquired it.
And he was, he sent the rocket off in somewhere a couple of states over from the base.
And he was that the story?
I'm trying to remember the whole story.
There's several stories around this.
Oh, no, he was going to, he was going to launch that rocket at Area 51.
Okay.
So he's taken out there.
And before they get out to where he's going to be launching the rocket, they take a detour and take him into a hangar.
They go down several flights into this underground hangar, which, by the way, was absolutely huge.
And this thing's underground.
This is back in the late 50s, early 60s, maybe, maybe it was 62.
I don't remember the years, but forgive me for that.
So, long story short, he's taken into this huge empty hangar.
And at one far end of it is a thing.
And that's the only way I can describe it right now to you is it looks like a giant octopus all tied up with many octopus tied up in with inside of it.
It's got a kind of bony structure with a frog-type skin overlying it.
And it's got a kind of a hole blown in the bottom side of it.
And it's about the size of a very large school bus or a semi-trailer size.
And he goes over to it and they want to know if he thinks he can fix it for him.
And he's like, I don't know.
And they said, go over and see what you see or what you think.
And he went over and he touched it and it came alive.
Now they were pretty shocked.
The people that were with him, the few generals and colonels or wherever were with him, were quite shocked that suddenly this thing is starting to come alive.
And while it came alive, it dropped its consciousness into David.
And David has had this alien consciousness that lives alongside it inside of him since that day.
And it left that bony structure of a power plant because it told David that's what its function was on the ship, was to give it power so it could transverse time and space.
How's that for another whole story?
So there you go.
And then we have the scientists.
We have Jacques Fellet.
We have Gary Nolan down at Stanford University.
We have Kit Green, who does all the biology around this.
He's the one who does the EEGs, the blood samples, the biochemistry around all the major contactees.
And then we have Robert Bigelow, who did the most of the research on UFOs, I think, on this planet up until a certain point in time where he's lost his government contracts with them.
But that's okay, because I'm sure he's doing things on his own that are quite profound and probably way beyond what the government is doing at this point.
But long story short, there's a gentleman that works with him named Colm Kelleher.
You got to look up his book.
His book is the most fascinating book I've ever read.
It has nothing to do with ET.
It's all about the spike proteins and cattle mutilation and a few other things.
And I think Colm's telling us in a very subtle way that there are some ETs out there that don't like us and they're thinking about ways to get rid of us.
So that's just a quick summary of the past and of people that are the players at this point.
Now, I'm going to try and get through this really fast.
I usually take a lot more time to describe it, but basically, my good friend Melinda Leslie, who's a major contactee in the field and is well known within the UFO community, she has been researching who the players are behind the whole UFO scene as long back as we could figure it out.
Now, there's a couple people missing off this list that I've just come to find out.
And that would be Dr. Rima and General Stubblebein.
I think he's on the list.
I think we got him, but I think we missed Dr. Rima.
I think that's because she was in hiding around all this.
So there you go.
But anyhow, long story short, we go way back.
I mean, we go all the way back to, I don't know if you guys can see it, but right here is the ATIP working group.
And then there's To the Stars Academy.
I'm sorry, these are the new disclosure groups.
There's ATIP at the Pentagon.
There's the Rockefeller Institute in the old days.
There was NIDS, the National Institute of Discovery Sciences was Robert Bigelow's group.
And we have what we call the Aviary, which was the group of guys that got together at a Denny's in 1972, I believe.
And they were all given bird names.
And many people that are still alive today were part of that original group called the Aviary.
And then there was the International Scientific Studies Organization around UFOs.
And there was the UFology field involvement, which included MUFON and a bunch of other groups.
Anyhow, long story short, I could spend hours on this, but I'm just going to read off a few names.
Robert Bigelow, Dr. Hal Pudoff, Dr. Colm Kelleher, Dr. John Colonel John Alexander, Dr. Christopher Kit Green, Lou Elizondo, C.B. Scott Jones, Ron Blackburn, Stephen Justice, Ron Pendalfi, Eric Davis, Jacques DeLay, Robert Bruce McAbee, Jim Semivan, Gary Nolan, and it goes on and on.
Chris Mellon, very important there, Mellon family, part of our national security.
Anyhow, this is an amazing chart and it goes back 40, 50 years, all the way up until a couple years ago.
And, oh, Rick Dody, any of those involved in UFology might not like this, but Rick is on here.
And Dr. Ed Names and Jack Sarfati.
And you'd be surprised how many people are on this list.
I even believe Yuri Geller's on here, if I remember correctly.
Is he here?
No, he's not.
That's interesting.
Joe Firmage, you guys might remember that name, Senator Harry Reid.
John Podesta's on here.
And okay.
Anyhow, like I said, it is a very extensive list.
And we went back and forth on the chart on our data and some of the groups affiliated and the disclosure playing field as we call it.
You guys would be shocked at how small the reason we put this chart together is one to prove to people there are not that many people involved in ufology at a high level in this government right now.
And they're not, they're anointing new young guys right now and a couple of women.
I don't see very many women in this, but they're anointing these young guys to come on in and take their place because they know a lot of these guys are dying off.
But honestly, out of 55 or 60 people, only 24 to 48 of them, they've been involved in everything.
I mean, it's like they crossed over to every aspect from the science all the way to the government parts.
And it's just interesting to me how small this group really is.
Yeah, everybody can see this, right?
I never did.
I never did ask you guys if you could see the PowerPoint, did I?
Okay, so what we're just basically saying here, Melinda and I and our other research people, is that, yeah, let's see.
I think you guys can see it.
Okay, well, let's hope because there aren't any comments about it here.
And maybe you guys think we're taking a break.
I don't know.
So anyhow, there's a National Defense Authorization Act requires NARA, the National Organization of Retired.
I can't remember what it means.
I'm sorry, you guys.
The Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Records Collection.
They're trying to, the law requires that by October 20th, 2024, each federal agency review, identify, and organize each unidentified anomalous phenomena, the UAP's records in its custody for disclosure to the public and transmission to the National Archives.
Now, this is what's happened because of what we started back in 2015.
And I'm going to get to that in a minute.
So basically, they're saying that the government has to start turning over all their UFO information.
Okay.
Now, here's how it all started.
Back in 2015, I'm at a conference.
It's the International UFO conference.
And everybody's a buzz because Tom DeLong has become the anointed one in ufology, and he is going to come out with disclosure.
This is what we think at the time.
And we thought he was going to show up at the conference and talk about it, and he didn't.
What he sent was a 30-second video.
I think it's 30 seconds.
And it's quite interesting that this is all we got, but everybody was a titter about it.
I couldn't believe the reaction.
And I'll tell you about that in just a second.
Let me see if I can play it.
Please let me know if you can hear this, somebody out there.
Let me know that you're actually seeing this.
I see this great discussion going on with Dr. Rima, which is wonderful.
But I do need to know if you guys are even seeing what I'm doing and if you can hear the videos.
Oh, great.
You can't see it.
Okay.
Black screen.
Good.
Okay.
I'm going to hit the play button.
Early this year, I set out to do something pretty challenging.
Okay.
Sorry about that.
Hit the wrong button.
I wanted to shift perception on an extraordinary topic that had already over 70 years of research, opinion, and frankly, quite effective disinformation.
I had the rare opportunity to present my ideas to an executive with the Department of Defense who worked in special access programs in an area called Watertown, also known as Area 51.
That meeting led to multiple clandestine encounters across the United States, from desert airports to vacant buildings deep within Washington, D.C. From these exchanges, I learned three things.
One, there are certain things that should never have been secret.
Two, there are secrets that were justifiable at the time, but should now be disclosed.
And three, there are things that are so unimaginable that certain interests believe that they should never, ever be made public.
After this, you might even agree.
Okay, what everybody needs to remember is that this was in 2015.
And I just, I'm always shocked that this is almost a decade ago and we've made very little progress because when this was presented to us at the conference, they said within a year or two, we would have full disclosure through the government.
And here's what Tom said.
There are certain things that should never have been kept secret.
Well, duh, come on, really?
Okay, there are secrets that were justifiable at the time, but should now be disclosed.
Well, why are they saying suddenly, okay, we, yeah, you guys all know there's UFOs and we kept them secret.
We had our reasons, but now we want to tell you all about it.
I'm thinking to myself, what does that mean?
I mean, because, you know, we've had this thing going back and forth for years.
And frankly, folks, as far as I'm concerned, the true disclosure about what's really going on is never going to happen.
If it happens, it'll happen 20 years from now, because there's a lot of things around that, but we'll get into that in a minute.
But, and then he says, there are things that are so unimaginable that certain interests, like our government, believe that they should never, ever be made public.
And then he says, after this, you might even agree that certain things should never be made public.
And I'm thinking to myself, what is this all about?
This is just crazy.
So I never did quite get that.
But yes, there are unimaginable things.
There are some horror stories that go with ufology.
There's good, there's bad aliens.
I mean, there's good consciousness, there's bad consciousness.
There's demons, there's angels.
I mean, we have it all.
It's all a reality.
It's all within another dimension, one step over from ours.
And I'll tell you about what I know about that too.
But anyhow, there's just many things going on here with this.
And And I think at that point in time in 2015, they thought maybe they were going to get a little more disclosure than we are actually getting at this point.
Now, here's this is where I got blown away.
Now, this is about, this is October 11th, 2017.
And this is a group called To the Stars Academy.
They were the newest thing on the scene.
Everybody's, you know, freaking out.
Oh, my God, we can invest in it and it's going to do all kinds of, you know, research and it's going to be better than Bigelow because we're all involved as the public and we can pay for it and we can help.
And everybody's like, oh, they'll make movies.
They're going to do all kinds of stuff.
Okay.
So I would like to play this for you guys.
It's a little long, but I think it's important to watch this and see what they passed off in 2017 as the group of people that are going to give us disclosure.
Here we go.
So first, my two co-founders.
Jim Simavan, a career spy, former senior intelligence service in the CIA's Directorate of Operations, a strategist with the ability to help To the Stars Academy navigate all the many sensitivities involved, either with government or with others who may eventually want what we have.
Dr. Hal Pudoff is a theoretical physicist and program director for numerous CIA and Department of Defense classified programs.
Dr. Pudoff is the creator of the CIA's own revolutionary psychic spy program still used to this day.
And his breakthrough science dealing with the engineering of space-time is crucial to potentially understanding the technology observed.
Leading our aerospace division, Steve Justice, last month, literally last month, Steve finished his career as director of advanced systems at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.
And to this day, Skunk works as the U.S. government's top-tier aerospace organization for the development of advanced aircraft that meet our urgent national security needs.
He will explain to you how this technology can revolutionize the world.
Lou Elizondo literally finished his career at the Department of Defense as senior intelligent officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense days ago, and now he is on the stage with us.
He served as national, as director for the National Program Special Management Staff.
Forgive me, these titles are very long.
And he is going to architect some partnerships with some very sensitive places to help protect us, to help protect the technology that we are going to be building so we together can achieve the extraordinary.
Chris Mellon, chairman of the To the Stars Academy National Security Policy and Scientific Advisory Board, has a long career at the DOD as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Minority Staff Director of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Chris actually was involved in reviewing many of our nation's most sensitive activities over the course of his career.
I actually met him on a cold call one day, and he turned out to be an incredible strategist, our main conduit to Washington, D.C., and a very cherished friend.
Be sure to share this broadcast because everyone's going to want to hear what he has to say.
Okay.
Now, I'm surprised.
I thought that Jim Semivan was being mentioned here.
I think he was the very first guy.
He's actually a all these guys are ex-CIA pretty much.
I mean, you know, they may say they weren't or whatever, if they probably had contracts with it.
It's pretty wild.
It's just so wild that when I saw this back in 2017, I was like, whoa, okay, this is just the next generation of people trying to hide the truth.
That's what I came out of it with.
I don't know about you guys, but that's what I see.
So, first, my two co-founders.
Okay, now when that happened on that day, they also put up a website, the To the Stars Academy website, and these were all the main people involved.
And Tom DeLong, obviously, was the president, Jim Semivan, who you heard about, How put up Steve Justice, Lou Alizondo, Chris Mellon.
Dr. Gary Nolan wasn't on the stage, but he's here at Stanford and he does a lot of the bio, you know, bioengineering stuff.
He does a lot of the research into the contactees.
These were the two people I was very concerned about.
Well, Norman Kahn, he's actually a pretty interesting guy.
He's done a lot of research into the contactees as well, but he doesn't scare me.
I got to tell you, what scares me is Dr. Paul Rapp and Dr. Adele Gilpin.
Now, they, what's interesting about both of them is they are both biomedical, bioengineering people that work for the CDC and they also work for the Department of Defense developing bioweapons.
Now, that really bothered me because I'm thinking, what the heck are two people on here worried about brain function, consciousness connection, and bioweapons?
I mean, what a strange combination for these guys to have.
Also, those were the only two that got wiped out of the internet.
I could not find anything about them.
I couldn't find much about Paul Rapp except for a biography about him for some kind of medical organization.
And Gilpin, same thing.
I found her on her legal, she's also a lawyer and a doctor.
And I found out about her on her attorney website.
And what was interesting about her that really struck me is that she represents people that have been on trial studies and she defends them against people pushing them in trial studies to the point where there's deaths or permanent dismayment or, you know, whatever from a trial study.
And I got to thinking, why would you need a lawyer that does that specializes in something like that unless you were doing experiments on people, i.e., my lab's abduction.
You guys might have heard about that, where the government re-abducts a person after they've been taken by an alien or a different type of being.
I don't know how this all works, but I do know that the military is very interested, or at least they used to be very interested in taking people and studying them after they've been taken.
So, and how far can you push this person?
You know, is it the military that's actually killing these people?
Is it the aliens that are doing it?
Because every once in a while, there are deaths associated with ufology and who knows what's going on.
But I just found it very strange that she and Dr. Paul Rapp actually work together and that I couldn't find much about them and that they are really focused in on the consciousness connection.
In other words, the telepathy that goes between the aliens and the humans.
And also her being an attorney working in that kind of field of experimentation.
So just throwing that out there to you guys.
I mean, I don't know.
I could be wrong.
I could be completely wrong about everything, but you never know.
Okay, I'm not going to play this for you, but this is my good friend Melinda with my other good friend, Grant Cameron, who have both been in ufology for years and years and years.
You can find them all over the internet in many movies, both of them, about ufology.
But she had lunch with Jim Semivan right after this 2017 event because Melinda is a My Labs abductee.
She's the first one to ever come out in the whole United States talking about being taken by the government and has been pushing back towards them along with myself and a couple other people, exposing the fact that the government does more harm in this in the whole ufology community than the aliens do.
And she's talking about having lunch with Jim Semivan and actually having a nice good lunch with the gentleman, explaining to him what my labs are all about because he didn't know.
Here's a guy running to the Stars Academy, an ex-CIA guy that has probably, you know, killed and done more things than we can even imagine.
And he doesn't even know that the government's re-abducting people after they've been taken by aliens.
So that's interesting that she had to inform him.
So I found that very interesting.
You know what?
I don't know if I'm going to play this for you guys.
No, I'm not because it doesn't matter.
And we don't have a lot of time.
And this is a huge presentation.
Okay.
So back in 2017, and this was in December, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, December 16th of 2017, about a month and exactly two months after the October date of To the Stars Academy's appearance, this became the aftermath of what To the Stars Academy did.
They got articles in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Political Magazine, and a million other places talking about these encounters that the military pilots were having with UFOs.
This was the first time in recent history that we have had actual military guys come out on the front page of a newspaper to the general public and say, I saw a UFO and I have no idea how they even fly.
And I want to know who's piloting it.
So that we attributed to this whole CIA gang, I called the gaggle of To the Stars Academy that this was their first big move.
And I think it was.
If it wasn't for them doing this, this would never have happened, of course.
So what they encountered over the coast of near San Diego out towards Catalina Island was this Tic-Tac object.
Now, this is not in proportion.
The F-16 that I think is there, maybe it's an F-14.
I don't know.
I'm not a trained observer, but I believe it's an F-16.
And it's about 52 feet long, if I remember correctly.
And the Tic Tac was actually over 40 feet long.
So they were pretty relatively close in size.
This is not the right size variation here, but it is a good, very good description of the shape of the object that they were chasing that day.
And now I am going to play you this.
UFOs have been the stuff of conspiracy theorists for decades, often mocked for talking about it, but maybe they shouldn't be.
Mocked.
Commander David Fraver spent 18 years as a naval aviator, a pilot.
In 2004, he had an unforgettable encounter with an aircraft he said was defying the laws of physics.
Former Commander Fraver joins us tonight.
Thanks all for coming on tonight.
Tell us what you saw.
Well, we had launched on a routine training mission.
When we joined up, we were told that the event was going to be canceled and that we had real-world tasking, and we were sent out to the west.
Now, take in mind that this is taking place about 100 miles southwest of San Diego between San Diego and Ensenada, Mexico, on a clear, perfect day, blue waters.
We get out to the spot where they tell us it's at.
We start looking around, and both of us, both airplanes, see a disturbance in the water and a white, 40-foot-long, tic-take tic-tac-shaped object just hovering above the water, going forward, back, left, right.
There's no rotor wash, there's no wings, nothing.
So, as we drive around in a clockwise flow, we get to about the 9 o'clock position, and I said, well, I'm going to go down and check it out, and the other jet is going to stay high.
So, as we go down, when we get to the 12 o'clock position, it starts to mirror us.
So, it's in a clockwise flow, and it's on the opposite side of the circle from us.
And we continue this.
It's in a climb.
We're in a descent.
We're getting a great look at it.
This whole thing takes about probably up to five minutes from the time we show up.
I get over to the 8 o'clock position.
It's at about the 2 o'clock position.
And I decide I'm going to go and see what it is.
And it's about 2,000 feet below me.
And I cut across the circle.
And as I get within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerates to the south in about two seconds and disappears.
What would you estimate the speed?
Oh, well above supersonic.
Like a bullet out of a gun, it took off.
So from what you know about aerodynamics, mechanics, physics, should this be possible, what you saw?
Not with the technology that we have today.
Not at all.
Even now, even 13 years later, is there anything that you know of capable of this kind of behavior?
No, there's nothing I know of.
I mean, when you look, when we saw the video with the IR, it has no exhaust, no discernible things of anything form of propulsion.
And this thing came from a dead hover over the water, just kind of moving around to a climb up to about 12,000 feet to rapidly accelerating away in a climb, and in less than two seconds it was gone.
And you figure you're talking 50 miles of visibility, and you can easily see an object that size easily out to 10 miles, and it just disappeared in seconds.
I mean, what would be the effects on a human pilot of the g-forces involved in that altitude change?
Well, the altitude wouldn't be bad.
It would be the acceleration of the object.
Absolutely.
The, well, honestly, I wanted to fly it.
You know, there's, you know, talking to some physicists, they don't think the human body could handle that kind of force without airplanes.
Yeah, it doesn't sound, it doesn't sound like the human body could.
So bottom line, what do you think this was?
I believe, as do the other folks that were on the flight, that when we visually saw it, that it was something not from this world.
Presumably you expressed that belief to your superiors, what did they say?
Actually, we caught a lot of grief getting back to the boat, and it got passed off as an event that no one could explain.
Now, keep in mind, they had been tracking these for two weeks prior to us seeing it, and this was the first time that manned airplanes had been airborne when the objects appeared.
This feels like a really big story to me.
It's not exactly clear why Vladimir Putin's more interesting than this.
I think this seems like a big deal.
And Commander, I appreciate your taking the time to talk to us about it.
You seem sober and believable, and I appreciate it.
Well, thank you very much, Tucker.
Thanks.
Okay, you guys.
So there you go.
That was one of the first pilots they drug out in the Dog and Pony show to get us all used to the fact that the military knows these guys are there and they're chasing them around and they can't catch up with them and they're just trying to get the public to wake up to the fact that they're there.
I can't play you this because it's way too long, but it follows Commander Favor to a UFO conference, and it's just so interesting.
And I'm not even going to play you this, too.
This is actually Steve Justice or Chris Mellon.
Maybe I will play this.
This is interesting.
And I'll explain why I'm playing it after.
It came from after beachgoers found this giant bundle washed ashore.
Brian, down to you.
All right.
Talking about out of this world.
Navy pilots are claiming they've spotted UFOs nearly every day for two years.
Wow.
At first, the pilots reportedly thought these objects were part of a top-secret drone program, but a near collision in 2014 changed their minds.
Now our next guest is sounding off in a brand new series on History Channel called Unidentified Inside America's UFO Investigation.
Here with more, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon.
Christopher, do you believe the UFOs exist?
We know that UFOs exist.
This is no longer an issue.
The Navy itself has publicly acknowledged the fact that they exist.
And Navy pilots, active duty pilots, have gone on the record of the New York Times acknowledging the fact that they exist.
So the issue now is why are they here?
Where are they coming from?
And what is the technology behind these devices that we're observing?
Are there indications that these unidentified flying objects are doing things that this world is not capable of?
There are indications, actually.
The Nimitz incident, a famous example of this, which was well documented by multiple radars, multiple pilots in broad daylight.
That vehicle demonstrated speeds in excess of 5,000 miles an hour.
It was able to hover a 50 feet above the ocean after descending from above 80,000 feet.
So the pilots who are observing these craft are absolutely mystified, and that comes through clearly in their public statements.
They are frustrated.
They feel as though something should be done.
They're deeply frustrated, and that is the core of our show, Unidentified.
We're giving military personnel on the front lines a voice.
We're helping them get out the message, what it is they're encountering, and why they're so concerned about it.
And we're not the only country who's having these encounters.
Absolutely not.
And in fact, as our investigation unfolds over the first six episodes this season, we're going to be presenting information from a NATO ally that's been having very similar experiences.
All right, I want you to, you brought a clip with you.
I saw that you carried the tape in with you in the green room.
So here it is.
The object the Navy pilot is tracking suddenly seems to get bigger.
The object then appears to accelerate rapidly, disappearing off screen.
That's a significant rate of acceleration in a horizontal plane off to the left.
That's very fast.
I have no idea what that thing is, and it's not acting like an aircraft.
It's not acting like anything I've ever seen.
So that's been the story.
The New York Times writes about it.
You have a strong reputation and a big title.
And our huge resume, you're saying, is actually happening.
Has there been interaction being to being, human being to whatever these beings are?
Not that I'm aware of.
These are interactions between intelligently controlled vehicles that are highly sophisticated.
They're operating in and around U.S. military facilities.
And hence the concern.
The pilot's concern are one, there have been near mid-air collisions.
There's a safety issue.
But two, there is a vital national security issue, which is that our sovereignty is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin.
What's more responsible, announcing it and saying this is our problem, this is the video, or not announcing it?
Let me mention in that regard that when Lou Elizondo, my colleague, was still in the Pentagon running the UFO investigation, I worked with him, introduced him to two individuals who are direct reports to General Mattis.
We were unable to get that on the Secretary's agenda.
Ultimately, Lou concluded and I concluded that the only way to make progress on this issue was from the outside to take the information to the public and the Congress.
That's what this show is about.
And that's what these military pilots are helping us with.
So we're going to see it coming up Friday.
Okay, so let me get this.
There we go.
The reason I played that for you guys is because did you notice the deflection when he talked about the beans that are flying the UFOs?
Chris said, no, I don't know of anybody who's had contact with them or talked to them.
And I just laugh because the government knows all about who's contacted them, who's talked to them, and they know everything.
Are you kidding me?
I just, I couldn't believe it.
And, you know, and it's okay too.
Now, remember, this is 2017, and I'm still fresh into this whole disclosure game at that time.
And I'm just thinking to myself, well, you know, they don't want to scare everybody.
And all of us that know the truth, we can just laugh it off and say, well, you know, they're 50 years behind us.
You know, it's that simple.
But now that I've been, you know, it's what, almost nine years down the road from that, you know, that year when unidentified airs on the history channel, and they used all military guys and they really did cut out quite a bit about their contact.
They went all to the, they, they covered all of the missile silos and the nuclear weapons and all the ships around those places and the guys, you know, monitoring that and their sightings and what have you, which was wonderful, but they didn't talk much about their communication with the ETs that were surrounding them.
For example, there's a gentleman named Mario Woods.
It's a good friend of mine.
And he was guarding one of these places and they did his whole story, but they left out the whole other part of the whole night where he ends up over at another site with this giant orange thing the size of the sun.
And then these ETs are coming out on the road and surrounding the car and take them.
They don't ever talk about that part of the story.
They just talk about the UFOs or the orbs or the ships or whatever that is turning on and off these military installations of the nuclear weapons, which, you know, it's okay.
But again, they're scaring people.
They're not really giving them, you know, the full story about what's been happening.
So it's been quite interesting.
Now, I see I'm almost out of time here.
Is that you, Jim?
Lorian, yeah, I wanted to say Rima is calling this out as a psyop.
You might want to invite her comment.
I can't see it because if I click on anything, my screen goes dead and I can't tell what's happening.
I'm just saying, can you call on her, Rima, in the chat, calling it out as a psyop?
I would just welcome her comments.
That would be great.
I just, I'd have to end my PowerPoint and I guess I'll, I, can I just finish up and then I'll do that?
Yeah, okay, great.
Thanks.
So in conclusion, folks, and there's so much more to this.
I mean, this is a two-hour presentation talking about the whistleblowers that are coming out now in the last couple of years.
We've got people that have been in crash retrievals that are coming out and talking about it.
And again, we'll get Dr. Rima's comments here in a moment.
But in my opinion, as a contactee, I know that there are ETs.
I know there's UFOs.
I know that this is all, you know, really.
I can't play any of this for you guys.
I'm so sorry.
There's so much here.
Anyhow, I call it a psyops too, Rima.
You'll see here in conclusion, I have pondered the disclosure slabs for some time.
I believe the players, the mainstream media, including podcasters, TV, and radio, disclosure organizations, the government are releasing data at a slow trickle-down rate so that our great-great-grandchildren will eventually be the first to commune with E.T. as in childhood's end by Arthur C. Clarke.
Let's hope the story does not have the same ending for humanity's sake.
And what I'm leaving out of this part is what probably Dr. Rima is going to talk about here in just a second is the fact that we have the technology to fly.
We have a secret space program.
Those tic-tacs are probably ours, but there is another whole realm of ETs out there, just like I believe there's angels and demons and everything else.
You got to remember, folks, time is not what you think it is.
And our dimensional time space is not the only one out there.
Okay.
I'm going to leave it at that and bring Dr. Rima in to give her opinion.
Okay, Dr. Rima, I think I've got to stop sharing.
Okay.
Stop sharing.
There we go.
All right.
And get Dr. Rima back.
There she is.
Okay.
Okay, so let me get her back up here.
There we go.
Good, Laurie.
Good, good.
There we go.
And Dr. Rima should be able to be seen by now, I hope.
Or heard.
Or heard.
There she is.
There you are.
Okay, Rima.
What do you think?
Bullshit.
What do you mean, bullshit?
Explain.
Take a whole bunch of military and intel guys who are fresh out of their lovely jobs with their lovely pensions and their security clearances still intact because they don't go away just because you turn in your badge.
Right.
Unless you want them to.
And they come out and they say, Grey Willikers, we know shit.
We know a lot of shit.
And people say, wow, these are intel guys.
They must be telling the truth.
Exactly.
Because they're trained to lie because they're trained to hide information.
But now they're good guys because they said they're good guys and they're telling us the truth because they said they're telling us the truth.
And they share some stuff, which probably is a mixture of real stuff and made up stuff.
And then the government says, well, golly, you caught us.
Yep.
We know stuff.
We know we don't know what it is.
We don't know nothing about it.
We don't know where it comes from or what it does.
And we've spent a whole bunch of money on it, but we can't tell you anything.
And so, yeah, there's really stuff.
Look at that.
It's so embarrassing.
Can't we?
It is.
I'm telling you, Rima, that's exactly the same conclusion I got.
And I've been sitting looking at this for 50 years, just like you have.
So anyhow, Rima, thank you for coming on and telling us how you're doing.
Jim is waving his hands.
I don't know that he's happy.
I think we got to go.
I think we're going to be able to do that.
I'm going to say now I've been sent a video of small grays.
I think it was from Rosha.
Look completely authentic to me.
Have you seen it?
Are you aware of it?
I have not seen it.
And I'm not saying that there are no UFOs.
And I'm not saying that there are no abductions.
I'm saying that our government, by the way, I was invited after Perestroika, I was invited by the Russian government, the Russian Federation, to visit Russia and lecture at their UFO house, which was quite an interesting experience because they don't have a cover-up the way we do.
They use the reality of these things as a cover-up for their aerial research and rocketry.
Anything they saw was a UFO.
They reverse-engineered us.
But it's a government, so they like it.
By the way, I don't like the phrase UFO.
There are plenty of unidentified fine objects.
The question is: are they ET?
Are they of extraterrestrial origin?
That's the I'm talking about extraterrestrial origin, things that don't come from our neighborhood.
Yeah.
I was told personally by Hans Adam von Lichtenstein, the prince of the Principality of Liechtenstein in person, sitting next to me about the abduction of his family and what it meant to him and so forth.
Sort of interesting.
Do I have the time to tell a quick story about that or not?