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Oct. 2, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (1 October 2025): Katherine Horton & BIll Binney UNDER FIRE!
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Welcome to another real deal special interview with Catherine Horton at Bill Binney under fire, where Bill is relaxing so Catherine and I can hash it out over the Charlie Kirk shooting, real or fake.
And I've got several videos I want to run by her for her critical scrutiny.
And Catherine is just a joy.
And I get it.
You're looking for conclusive evidence of Vakery.
You feel you haven't seen it yet.
I'll do my best to satisfy that desideratum tonight.
And you nevertheless think that this Erica Kirk is rather dodgy.
Would you like to elaborate?
Well, here's the thing.
I have to be absolutely honest.
What I'm really, really tracking.
So if people, you know, before people descend down on me on why I'm not completely on top of every last video that has been released about it, it's because my stance is that I expected something to happen.
I've been tracking the whole sequence of, you know, people being harmed or taken out, getting closer and closer to Trump.
And for me, it fit into that series.
The engravings on the casing to me are the announcement of an attack on Trump and Melania.
And I don't think that is just switching off the elevator under them in the UN.
So when I looked at the veritable shit show, that is the so-called investigation of the Charlie Kirk, whatever this was, incident, let's call it, right?
If I want to be neutral, you maintain he might be alive.
Whatever it may be, that incident, it's so obvious that the FBI is shit mixing the evidence or any information about it.
It is so ludicrous.
It is so idiotic that for me, that is the evidence I'm looking for.
So for me, it is conclusive.
It was the intelligence agencies who pulled off whatever the hell this was.
And therefore, the engravings on the shell casings are a message, cartel signaling from the intelligence agencies.
And that is literally the only thing I'm taking away from this incident.
Everything else, I'm putting a black box around because I don't have chain of custody for the videos.
It goes back and forth.
There's definite evidence of AI having been used to manipulate some of the videos.
The resolution on a lot of them is not what I would expect from a cell phone.
So it was clearly, you know, but for example, the one that you showed me last week, where people made it look like it's actually Sean Curran standing next to Charlie Kirk instead of his private security.
Well, there's a high resolution image or version of that where you can see it's a different guy.
You can see it in high definition.
You can see his jawline much more clearly.
And the version that, you know, you found is very low resolution.
So we're going from high deaf to very low deaf.
So somebody's trying to manipulate.
Anyway, so before I get into anything, I just want to apologize because I was on top of the assassination attempts against Trump in detail.
But the Charlie Kirk stuff for me is a ginormous shit fest.
And that for me is the evidence.
So, but apart from that, one of the things that was brought to my attention, although I haven't checked it yet because this is how little I care, is that Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica Kirk, that her father was the founder of Raytheon Israel Limited.
Right?
I'm like, da-da, there's again the link to the weapons industry, the military-industrial complex that would have, you know, pulled off a murder like that, that would, you know, sponsor the intelligence agencies and so on.
But anyway, that's one thing.
Then people pointed out all this cartel signaling.
And there were three incidents that I've posted on my True Social.
I can bring up the images.
Of them is the ring that she's wearing that you pointed out when she's grieving over supposedly the dead body of her husband, which really we can all see as a dummy.
Um, that's a ginormous G in jewels or diamonds.
Well, gee, that's the logo of the Freemasons.
There's also a photograph of her where she has a cross and then she has the cross of Malta, like the Knights of Malta, the Vatican.
The Knights of Malta are actually a separate organization that has a seat at the UN, by the way, just like the Vatican.
So I can bring up that image.
And the third one was when she is in that white outfit.
I think it was the first press conference she gave in that white pantsuit.
And at some point, she takes the hanky and it's just covering her eyes and is crying.
And she's showing the middle finger.
So she's holding this clearly with the middle finger.
I think it was Catherine Austin Fitz who pointed that out.
And, you know, she said it's the mocking is so overt and so ridiculous.
Right.
So anyway, all that.
But what I would like to say is, even though I've seen that, I've noted that, it also has to be borne in mind that the intel agencies run honeypots and honeypots will have kids with whoever they are honeypotting if it's a long-term project.
So for me, it showed that Erica's family is as dodgy as they come, right?
There are so many question marks.
But does that prove that Charlie Kirk is still alive?
Not quite.
In fact, in that scenario, the long-term strategy would be to that something would happen to him and, you know, Erica would take over.
So, you know, it's all very inconclusive.
But one of the things that is absolutely sure is that in the whole event, I can see the shit mixing of the intel agencies.
They are all over it, right?
Everything doesn't make any sense.
Also, with how the evidence was released, supposed evidence was released.
Because at first, they said, oh, we're not going to make any images about the supposed shooter public.
Yet they had a manhunt.
So I posted on True Social: if you have a manhunt and you don't make the image public, I mean, aren't you just showing yourself shooting yourself in the foot?
And then, boom, half an hour later, they released a CCTV image.
And I said, well, okay, but you're looking for somebody supposedly who you don't know who that is, which, by the way, is nonsense from the Intel agencies because they can do an image reverse lookup and they have all our faces, right?
They have our passports.
They have our driver's licenses.
So it's nonsense.
There are no manhunts, really.
But anyway, if you run with a shit show that you're looking for somebody and you have high-definition CCTV on a campus, you should be releasing moving images of this person because you can recognize your friends from a distance just from how they move.
In fact, there is, you know, a company, or there used to be a couple of years ago that, you know, sold it to Lockheed Martin or Boeing or one of these things.
But what they did is develop algorithms to identify people with how they moved.
Because if you wear, you know, some sort of camouflage or fake beard or anything, you can still be picked up by a computer based on how you move.
So, you know, just like AI can do it, NI, natural intelligence can do it.
And just like you can spot your friends from a distance before you can see their faces, it's a smarter thing if you have video and you're looking for somebody to release the video.
And sure enough, I say that.
And, you know, two hours later, they released a video.
And remember the screwdriver?
If you had found a screwdriver up on the roof, it would be up front, right?
But no, the screwdriver was released when people started questioning this whole disassembly, reassembly of a gun.
You know, and the whole thing is just, it's not even cockups at this stage anymore because the FBI and the military have enough people who handle guns Monday to Sunday, right?
They sleep with their favorite gun under their pillow.
So they know if this is plausible or not.
It's just throwing shit out there so that we debunk it and exhaust ourselves in the debunking of it.
Do you see what I mean?
That's basically why I'm at.
Do I know if Charlie Kirk is dead or alive?
I have no idea.
But the only thing for me that's important is that people make us believe he's dead.
And that's all I need.
That's why I hit me with it.
That's great.
That's perfect.
That's perfect.
Did you pick up on Erica's Romanian angels that she was involved in?
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Oh, God.
The orphanages.
Now, I'm from Romania.
For those who don't know, I'm an ethnic Hungarian from Romania, from Transylvania, from the bit that used to belong to Hungary for a thousand years and then was given to Romania after World War I.
So anyway, the Romanian orphanages were famous for their child abuse, for the squalid conditions the kids were kept in.
I mean, now that I know what I know about communism and how the Masons ran it, I think it was by intention.
You know, it was one of their child trafficking hubs, one of their child and trauma-based mind control experimentation hubs.
Because when it actually broke about what the situation in those orphanages were, I mean, it was horrifying.
You know, we have in Romania, we have gypsies, and the gypsy kids have very, you know, deprived and impoverished lives, but it was nothing like the conditions in those orphanages where there was purposeful abuse and neglect of children.
So again, of course, you want to do something good, and that would be one of the most shocking things.
But man, again, it's like zoning in on vulnerable children.
When your daddy founded Raytheon Israel, it just doesn't sit well with me because a family who is very much into the military-industrial complex will stay in that business because it's the most profitable.
When they suddenly, you know, fork off and are into philanthropy involving children, that's it's just, you know, it doesn't sit well with me.
So it's just, it gets ever more horrifying the more you look.
That's why child traffic, sex traveling, and is even more remunerative than weapon sales?
That's a good question.
Possibly, yes, possibly yes, because once you buy a weapon, you have it.
But, you know, these predators, they want to keep consuming children as horrific as that sounds.
So, yes, you might be right.
Yeah, I'm worried about that.
And then, of course, she's Donald Trump encourages her to enter the Miss Arizona contest.
She's never modeled in a beauty contestant, in my opinion.
She's not all that great looking.
And she wins.
She wins Miss Arizona.
And then he encouraged her to enter the Miss USA, which he also runs.
Do we see a pattern here?
Is there anything suspicious, even remotely, Catherine?
Yeah, yeah.
But again, I mean, if you're hinting at the link with Donald Trump, see, that's again, because there are also systemic effects.
So rich people socialize with rich people.
And the richer you are, the higher the probability that in your set, the other people who are there at these events, right, got rich through crime.
That's the truth, right?
So, the richer you are, the higher the likelihood that you would be socializing with people who are organized criminals, if you know it or not.
You know, and again, encouraging a family's friends, family's friend to enter the miss whatever contest doesn't seem so nefarious.
You know, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's not hard-hitting concrete proof.
Compare it to Biden sniffing kids in the Oval Office.
That was proof.
That is proof, right?
If we went back to that Arizona and Miss Arizona contest, we'd find other contestants who were more qualified than she in every category.
That's my surmise that this was manual.
Look, that effect is also brought about when Daddy founded Raytheon Israel.
You have no idea how many doors that opens.
Yeah, right.
So, there are all these keys that open a lot of doors already.
You know, I'm just saying that connection to Donald Trump, I'm not sure if it's enough to bring him into this.
I mean, the one thing that I do find revolting is that the God, I mean, the entire rich people's world is beset with these dodgy characters because, you know, not all of them got rich through their ingenuity and hard work.
Yes.
Well, let me continue with the videos.
Let me take you to one of these, yeah, right off the bat.
There's a Charlie Kirk bizarre eyewitness interview.
It's about the first three minutes or so.
Today, I'm breaking down the children powders of the year and why the number one pick is hard.
Still lots to cover with the whole Charlie Kirk saga, and this one takes the cake when it comes to this bizarre world and what is put on television programming.
What you see here is the aunt of these two children, and her name is Tiffany Barker.
And the two nieces, right here, you have Mia Grant and Ellie Steele, and the media constantly pushing the propaganda, putting children on the spotlight on the world stage when this is completely, obviously, unnecessary.
And these two look like something out of the shining.
Just, again, a very bizarro world was presented on television programming.
Let's get right to it with this very strange interview conducted on ABC's Good Morning America.
We're joined now by Tiffany Barker and her nieces Elle Steele and Mia Grant, who were all in the audience yesterday afternoon.
Thank you for joining us this morning.
I know it's been a difficult day for all of you right now.
Tiffany, let me begin with you.
Just tell us what you remember about the scene yesterday.
It was horrific.
There was one shot that rang out, and everybody instantly looked around and then fell to the ground.
People saw Charlie instantly get shot in the neck.
I'm going to point this out real quickly.
You see the audience at the whole scene in Utah, and it's not the largest crowd in the world.
It's not a small crowd either.
But at the same time, you should be able to identify the individuals that claim that they were there.
They're there.
They should be.
Do you notice anything, Catherine?
Well, you know, Charlie Kirk is not there.
There's somebody still there.
Nobody's in the tent.
This is one-third of the dance city that were there on the occasion.
Catherine, this is a rehearsal interview for our crisis actors.
A rehearsal.
Unbelievable.
Seen because it's going to be noted that one of the girls state they were 15 feet away from Charlie when this went down.
So, if anybody could spot them in the front row, that's where they should be if they're only 15 feet away.
But nonetheless, I wanted to point that out.
Notice he himself doesn't even seem to interview that they realize this is a rehearsal tape that they wouldn't be there because they were there for the real occasion.
And this is just a sparse.
This is the actual crisis actors being given instruction as to how to perform.
Which is mentioned a bit later in this footage that's presented with the whole scene.
Let's continue on.
Shot in the neck, and everybody fell to the ground, and then people started running and got run over.
And I was with my family.
We had 16 of us there, so five adults and like 11 children.
And we instantly got separated.
We're trying to find everybody, and we had amazing Good Samaritans that grabbed kids.
One took my niece and took her to her apartment.
Very strange to bring someone's niece, her niece, to an apartment.
It kind of reminds me of that one event in the Northeast from years ago with the individual named Gene Rosen bringing children into his home after that event as well.
Just very strange, very bizarre.
Let's continue.
Somebody grabbed these two and my daughter and took them over to the tennis courts and stayed with them until I came.
It was a super awful tragedy, and there were really good people that stood up and supported each other.
And it was actually really powerful to see that.
Elle and me, I can't imagine how scared you must have been yesterday.
What can you tell us about what you all remember?
Elle, you go first.
So I remember hearing this thing.
I didn't, it was hard to like know what it was, but then I saw it and I saw blood everywhere and it hit his artery.
And then just very bizarre.
This child talking about an artery being hit.
I mean, how old is this child?
And specific information being released, being stated here, just again, doesn't pass a smell test with all these types of events.
I just fell to I fell to the ground.
I covered my head with my hands.
And then I just started saying a prayer.
And then we all ran.
Shalom.
I'm Rifki Green from Lev Hawalam.
And I am standing in the very heart.
So instead of running first, she stood there and had a prayer.
Then after the prayer was completed, then she started running.
Something seems very off of that.
Let's continue on.
And we ran into, like, we ran away to, and then we met at the tennis courts, and I couldn't, and then we couldn't find anyone.
It was just me, Mia, and then my other cousin, Bella.
And then we, and then we were calling everyone, we didn't know what to do, and then we finally met up with them, and it was just so scary.
Again, this well-spoken child, very young, but very articulate for the go ahead, Catherine.
Sorry, and when she says, yeah, it was so scary.
She just is like, yeah, you know, that is not the body language of, that was so scary.
It's the body language of, yep.
And with that, my script's over.
You know, I can go play.
Yeah, it gets worse.
For her age, and the names that are mentioned, Bella, like I've talked about so many times with the Bell.
Let me back up here momentarily.
And again, looking at the name, it's pronounced L, but it's spelled like Ellie Steele.
You flip over the E's, you get your, obviously, your dual 33 in plain sight.
The L's are threes as well.
I mean, literally, this is full of coded 33s in plain sight.
And her name is pronounced L. Find that interesting when it comes to Hebrew.
L is God, just like Bella or Bel means Lord or Master.
And the tennis courts are constantly being mentioned during the interview itself.
And as I demonstrated in my Novak Djokovic video, specifically with this logo, when you turn it backwards, flip it around, it looks like center.
So just another aspect of the law of reversal in play.
Let's continue on here.
Moving forward to Mia Grant during this interview on again, ABC News.
And let's take a listen to what is said here.
I want to move forward because they actually show the real footage.
And you see how there were three times as many people there and everyone under the tent, so they mixed it up.
And Catherine, I actually saw this phony rehearsal in an ABC promo for shows they don't realize what they've done.
I think they are grant as she speaks after L or Ellie.
I'm sure Mia.
I remember that we were like 15 feet away.
I'm going to stop right here.
15 feet away.
So specific with the numbers.
And again, like I showed earlier, if you're 15 feet away from what went down, where are the individuals that we see on the screen anywhere around here?
We have to really zoom in here to get a good look.
But they would be in this vicinity around here.
It's hard to tell, obviously.
There's different angles.
But again, to say, you know, 15 feet away, that number 15 for a young child, just really bizarre how specific and how the whole interview goes.
But we'll continue on here.
Once again, back up to your tad and get back to the answer.
Yes, I mean, he's absolutely right.
The whole thing is just dodgy as hell, right?
These are quite clearly crisis actors, right?
But the one thing that is for sure, so these three, first of all, children don't tell you it was 15 feet.
They have no idea what 15 feet is.
I'm sorry.
I mean, I'm European.
I work in meters, but as a child, I did not think, oh, that's 10 or 20 meters.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's one thing.
You know, of course, it's wrong.
So what is the purpose?
What is the cartel signaling of the 15 feet?
Well, if these three stood there, each 15 feet away from the stage, 15, the numerology is 5 plus 1 is 6.
You have 6, 6, 6 in a row.
Ah, nice.
Nice.
I love it.
Yeah, that's it.
That's why they put it in.
Yes, I agree with you.
Also, the names.
Yeah.
I love it.
We continue.
Start of this, again, where she mentions the number 15.
I've covered the number 15 before.
On the runic wheel, it is the cross.
I'm sure, Mia.
I remember that we were like 15 feet away, and I thought like the shot was like a firecracker or something.
It just didn't seem real.
Firecracker didn't seem real.
This is a constant over the years with these events.
After that, we went like behind where Charlie Kirk was.
And then we were meeting up at the tennis courts and trying to find everyone and get everyone together.
And Charlie Kirk was such a good guy.
I'm going to miss him so much.
I've always watched all of his videos.
And I can't imagine.
America's going to miss Charlie Kirk.
Can't remember.
Yeah, definitely.
Isn't that embarrassingly bad, Catherine?
And that honest to God, they're showing that video, not realizing it's a re-hersaw.
Or you're saying maybe they do know.
They do know.
And it's on purpose.
So, yes, I mean, it was within hours, within hours of the actual shooting that I saw an interview with a supposed college student, and she was all chirpy.
I mean, yes, all this is true.
Then again, would they have done something like that if they wanted to kill him for real?
Would they wanted to have a rehearsal, you know, after, I've no idea.
I'm still looking for concrete evidence that Charlie is still alive or what the game plan would be.
And look, not for a nanosecond do I say that it would be impossible or that I couldn't believe it if I saw evidence.
Oh, absolutely freaking lootly.
I mean, this, right?
And yes, when they keep saying, oh, it just didn't feel real.
It didn't seem real.
That is a recurring theme, as this guy says, in all the false flag ops.
They always keep saying, oh, it just didn't feel real.
So.
Right.
Let me pull up what we have here.
Okay, here's the second one.
Guess when Turning Point rented the facility for Charlie Kirk's funeral I get her voice.
Column of leaning toward that we're watching a movie.
Get this.
TP USA rented that state farm stadium for this 21st of September in May.
And oh, you might think, oh, well, they have some other event that's going on.
No, you go on their website.
There was no other planned event that was on the schedule for the 21st of September.
So are they expecting us to dig into this and find these things out and realize something's going on?
Anyway, yeah, check it out.
Check out the rental agreement for stadium.
I mean, just a second.
So she says, go and check it out.
But how would I go about, and how would she go about finding out the rental agreement between TP USA and the stadium?
Let me just give you a parallel.
They had this March for Our Lives in Washington, D.C. after the Parkland shooting in Florida.
It was just a couple weeks later.
And lots of events that closed the roadways.
They had big stars.
Turns out in Washington, D.C., if you're going to have an event that closes the roads, you got to submit your permit six months, 180 days in advance.
And they did.
We tracked down the officer who took the permit.
There's a whole thing with phony baloney.
That's exactly what they've done here.
I have no doubt.
Now, I agree.
Let's tie it down.
Let's look at the Randall agreement and all that.
But Catherine, that's how it's done.
This is so fake.
This is so phony and contrived.
Just a second, because this is important.
I mean, look, in my mind, I have to run both tracks.
Like, this is a faked murder and this is a real murder.
I mean, even in a real murder, they do not shy away from mobilizing these resources and getting all the permits and setting it up.
But if it's a real murder, if, right, the important thing for me would be that they knew in May that they're going to murder him now in September, right?
So I have to see how this fits into the sequence of what else that was going on.
Because as I'm aware, Giuliani genuinely had that accident, right?
which i to this day maintain was oh yeah i'm not yeah i'm not gonna so what's really important is that um the charlie kirk shooting real or staged was already fixed in may it was not because i was wondering did they just take out charlie kirk because you know giuliani survived by miracle um this kind of changes it it means that this was the sequence all along you know So what does that mean?
How long ago have they planned the next hit on Donald Trump?
See, I interpret it differently.
I mean, what this means is it was a stage event and they'd been planning it at least since May, at least.
And since Charlie seemed to have sold his $5.25 million mansion like the year before, I think it was all in the works.
Charlie was given a choice between silver or lead.
BB offered him 150 mil if he into the coffers of turning point, if he'd be more enthusiastic about genocide.
Frankly, that's quite a demand to be enthusiastic about genocide and more supportive of expanding the definition of anti-seminism to include any crisis of Israel.
Charlie said no.
Charlie said no.
And he told Candace, Tucker, and Clayton that he was worried they were going to take him out.
I believe that is all bona fide and that this was designed to save his life.
And a lot of people knew about it.
I mean, those are all crisis actors there, of course, at the running away from the stage when Charlie wasn't even there.
Here's the thing.
If this is the version, and so you are saying that this whole thing would be authorized by the Trump administration, we want to save our good guys.
Donald's role here is open-ended.
I'm saying Charlie is instrumental.
I suspect Donald suggested to him to do this.
I suspect, but I respect your alternative version.
See, I think Butler was a staged event.
He wasn't actually shot.
So I call this Butler 2.0.
But I recognize we have differences, which I think is wonderful.
Honestly, for you to have differences about Butler and Utah Valley, that's amazing.
Go right ahead.
Here's the thing.
So the way I like to run any analysis, because one of the things you learn in particle physics is that no matter how experienced, how old, how good, how smart you are, because of the inherent uncertainties of the system and your detectors, you never know who's right.
Sometimes a student who just started his PhD program is right over you because of just some uncertainty.
So the way I like to run it is I keep all hypotheses on the desk, right?
Until one of them is just out because it's not possible anymore.
So I like to run all of them.
I don't want to settle on Charlie Kirk is alive.
I don't want to settle on Charlie Kirk is dead.
I really don't care.
Everything stays on the table and we've run the whole thing through.
And also that kind of keeps you in the game of always thinking of an alternative explanation, right?
So let's leave all the options on the table.
My question is, before I go to the Trump thing again, my question is, if Donald Trump suggests this, and everybody knows that the intelligence he's put on these shit shows, and, you know, wouldn't you want to make the whole thing really like neat and discreet and just get it over with instead of having such bombastic fuck-ups where the mainstream media broadcast the rehearsal run, which,
you know, with like, you know, 300, 400 crisis actors, would you do it?
And then also, would you just fuck up over and over and over again and have this like drawn out slow motion car crash of the FBI investigation?
Or will you make it really snee, compact?
Nobody can fuck with it.
And it's just conclusive.
The guy said, that's it.
Goodbye.
It's so sad.
We have this event.
Bye.
Because I think that's what I would do.
If I would really want to save this guy's life and just say, hey, look, you have to start a new existence somewhere without your children, without your wife.
Hey, she's a bitch anyway.
We'll get you another one.
Don't worry about it.
Have new kids, right?
That's a possibility.
Not the first time it would happen.
I think you've just made a great argument.
This was Charlie's own op without Trump because Trump would have had it done more professionally.
And this was the original amateur hour.
You know, this was the first time in a long, long, you know, period that I hear you say something praising about Trump that you trusted, that he would not talk quite so fast.
Here we go.
Get this.
You're going to love this too.
Missing blood and bullet here.
This is quite true.
Here's a dose of reality.
There are nearly 2,000 drug-related crashes every year in Wisconsin.
I don't want to sound crazy.
At Granger, we're for the ones who pay attention to every little detail.
The ones who fuss, tinker, and sweat the small stuff.
Narrative becomes so much more evident to me.
And we're going to show evidence supporting our theory as far as what really happened that day that we saw Charlie Kirk get shot.
So let's start out with one of the, I think this is one of the most damning pieces of evidence.
And it is of the chair that one of the security guys throws off after Charlie falls.
And it does go through a table.
So we're going to play that right now.
Okay, right here.
Well, it does look like he falls under the tablecloth as well.
That might also be relevant later, but yeah, right there.
Okay.
And it will show it again.
so the chair glitches and falls through the table yeah but that just proves this is ai I don't think it's our eyes.
Yeah, and I don't think this is digital compression being done by the device automatically, nor do I think it's automatic AI enhancement.
This looks like it's intentionally been altered, perhaps to hide whatever's going on behind it.
Okay, and then do you want to play the next one of the absolutely.
So then this is the front view.
So this is the same thing seen from the front view.
And we're going to see what I believe to be more realistic physics as far as the chair goes.
And so he grabs the chair and he slides it to the side and then it bounces off of the tall table and falls down.
And I will repeat this again later.
But here also, when he did, they pick him up off the ground.
It looks like his t-shirt is relatively clean where we just saw the blood.
Well, not just saw, but where the blood had been seen in other angles.
So right there, the t-shirt looks quite clean.
I don't know if that's a mic cord or whatever there.
But then when you look at his right collar, you can see that the microphone almost still seems to be attached in one of the frames.
Yeah, there.
It almost looks like the microphone is still there.
And the shirt is very clean.
But in an earlier clip, we see the microphone disappear.
You wanted to comment, Catherine?
Yeah, look, my problem with all of this is like, where did whatever her name is get this footage from?
Because I can tell you at these high-profile events, and especially now that, you know, Trump is promoting AI and his parody account is putting out AI footage all day long, right?
They're all pushing AI and we all, you know, see these AI-generated dance videos on YouTube.
What the intel agencies would do is use their myriad fake accounts and just flood the internet with AI-generated trash.
So I just want to know, where did you get the video from?
Was it Dobby 3357 on YouTube or TikTok?
Like, where does the footage come from?
Because now we live in an era where you can't trust anything.
I mean, you cannot, you know?
You agree that if this is.
I agree, that was trash.
Yeah, I agree.
That was generated footage.
A chair does not fall through a table.
And you know what?
If you just go randomly on YouTube and, you know, find some AI footage, like a very common one that AI keeps, you know, on YouTube keeps popping up on my landing screen is people dancing.
And there's things like people doing pirouettes and their body is turning and their head is not.
Right?
All sorts where the joint movement is not realistic.
Like not all of us are double jointed, right?
So yes, and these glitches are there.
So it's to me looks just like sloppy AI generated footage.
But again, all that proves is that as an investigator, I have to take the whole clip and throw it away, you know, and just get some pure stuff.
It's proof of something.
I mean, it's proof of all.
It is definitely proof that I would say somebody in the intelligencies generated that footage.
Well, I deal with this in JFK because home movies, the assassination will altered.
So they say, well, then it's no longer useful as evidence, but it is.
It's evidence of tampering of all terrorism.
And the very things they altered are the very important, most important elements.
They took out the limo stop.
There's the limo stop, I estimate, took 20 seconds.
Jack was hit in the head three times during the limo stop.
But there's no limo stop in the extant version of this Impruder film.
We had to reconstruct it based on interviews with the motorcycle cops.
The four motorcycle cops and their supervisor, Stavicellis, all testified to the limo stop.
And we've got others who have seen what appears to be the unaltered, the original film, who talk about the limo stop.
And now we've established he was actually hit in the back of the head.
He slumped forward, Jack eats him back up.
Then he's hit the right temple and near simultaneous in the side of the head, all during the limo stop, which they eliminated.
And get this, Catherine, this is hardest to believe.
During the limo stop, a secret service agent actually climbed into the limousine.
It's unbelievable.
He was there all the way to ParaClimp.
I'm not talking about Clint Hill who was riding on the back.
I'm talking about another agent got in to make sure Jack was dead.
I mean, this is very, very elaborate.
Let me continue here because there's more I want you to see.
And we'll show that one soon.
Yes.
So yeah, it looks like the microphone is still there.
Although in other clips, it looks like it flew off.
And then I also did see what looked like white poster board behind the white thing in the front there.
But yeah, here you can see it looks like maybe a cord.
Maybe that's a blood spurt.
But then you also see what looks like the microphone is still in its original position, as well as a lack of blood on the shirt.
And I think we've all been stained with a cut before and we know how blood really soaks up or material really soaks up blood.
Let me tell you something, ladies.
Don't overdo this bariatric salt trick.
I tried it and dropped from size 20 to 14 inch.
Right.
Do you want to go into the chair, like the comparison, like the side-by-side comparison of the chair falling through versus how it fell?
I don't know if the audience will find it as relevant as I do, but I think it proves that the forward view.
So I think what we're going to see here is that this one is the one that was intentionally altered, perhaps to hide what was going on there behind the chair.
And you can see how it rotates.
So he slides it and then it rotates towards the camera towards stage right before it falls off onto the bottom of its legs and then falls backwards onto its back.
And I don't think that's what actually happened.
I do believe that the chair did not rotate and it fell onto its left side, as we will see here.
So the chair bounces between the table and the platform before falling straight over to its left side.
There is no rotation here seen to stage right.
So you're to our left or to the stage's right.
You don't see the chair actually rotate before falling.
I believe this to be the actual physics.
And I think this is more of an unaltered video than the other angles.
We don't know.
So I believe that this one is perhaps real and the other one is obviously fake.
Okay.
You made that point, Catherine, about the origin of the videos.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Both of them could be fake.
But there's more here.
And then do we want to show the table, the still of the table?
And then.
Sure.
Okay.
So here you can see the corner of the table looks like there might be like a tiny bit of red fluid.
Like who knows?
It almost looks like someone might have been drinking wine without a coaster.
There's very little blood there.
And when you look down on the grass next to the chair, there is virtually zero blood at all.
Yes, you can see a little bit more clearly here.
There's almost no blood there at all.
And to me, that is actually suspicious for the type of wound he received.
Now, you do see some blood on this.
It looks like audio equipment case, but it's very little compared to what you would expect.
I myself actually have bled out more than that in a car crash.
And I have also cleaned up after a fatal gunshot wound.
And there was, I would say, 100 times more blood from the gunshot wound that I cleaned up than what we see there.
And I will also say that, you know, the blood that I lost in the car crash is still 10 times more than what we see there.
Yeah, it's just unusual how for what we saw come out, very little is left.
Okay.
Do we want to show the AI artifact of him or?
I believe we could because there are several anomalies we could point out with this video that I believe are either AI enhanced or completely faked altogether somehow.
All right.
And this one is going to be a little gory.
So fast forward a minute if you don't want to.
I think everyone has seen it.
We couldn't, you couldn't help but see it because it got pushed out to everyone.
So.
All right.
So one of the anomalies that we see here would be his lapel mic looks like it travels up into his neck.
I don't know if this has been part of the alteration that's been done, but this video has absolutely been altered.
You can see the F disappears and it says read them.
And then the F finally comes back right there.
And then the blood comes out.
It looks like it starts to pour down his shirt.
But then there are also angles where it looks like the shirt's almost waterproof, like the blood touches it and then bounces off and then it stays white.
So to me, this could be either artificial intelligence and the movement of the bullet hole there too.
You can see the bullet hole doesn't exactly move perfectly with him.
It looks like it moves slightly more to the front, which is either projection or AI enhancement of some sort.
And to me, it just looks fake.
And we have a clip of someone that knows how to do CGI.
I'll play that right here.
So here's Ben Wehrman pointed this out.
Was it all faked?
Experienced video analysts have already come out and confirmed that the original close-up of the neck is doctored.
What is weird is all the footage I have, when I plug it into Final Cut and analyze it, there's always blurred pixelated areas around Charlie.
I don't want to sound crazy posting it, but I work on film and footage and something's up with footage I screen grab in the first few hours, almost like the clips were doctored in some way.
So as of right now, and this is a great video, full breakdown, and we'll go through many of these clips.
It seems that the most likely is the squib.
However, there does seem to be indications in some places that appears to be CGI overlays, augmented reality, which is plausible, but not necessary.
It doesn't necessarily have to include those elements, but there does seem to be indications of that, which we are looking at.
Yeah, let me get your further thoughts, Catherine.
I'm convinced it was CGI.
Now we get Candace saying she's got that video from behind and there's no blood.
We got that video there from the front, no blood.
I got another video from the side.
There's no blood.
You had the girl saying there was blood everywhere where there's blood nowhere.
There's no blood inside the tent, the back of the tent, side of the tent, bottom of the tent.
They carry him off to the SUV.
No blood, no blood.
If they're doing anything to try to staunch the bleeding with their hands, there's no blood on their hands either.
So, I mean, and there's video after video showing just the features I'm talking about, Catherine.
Your thoughts?
My thought is that that video of him getting shot, the frontal video, is the one that we've seen, you know, in I think two or three shows that we've done.
And I think at the very, the very start of the video is the one where his ring moved from, you know, the ring finger down to the little finger.
So that footage is already altered.
And also note that all these, you know, clips were supposedly recorded by a cell phone and cell phones have ludicrously high resolution.
So even if you recorded it from the back and you zoomed in, where's the original footage that is high definition?
Because everything looks really shit.
It looks like, you know, video footage from the early 2000s from 24 years ago.
It looks appalling.
So it's just like, that's not real footage, you know.
I have seen crisp and clear footage that really looks like from a cell phone where Charlie is supposedly carried through into the car.
And these people were pointing out that somebody had already climbed up behind that passageway onto this barrier wall thing and was filming them.
Now that footage looked legit.
Yes.
Yeah.
So that footage seemed legit because it was so high definition.
You couldn't see Charlie.
You couldn't see all the mess.
There was no blood gushing on the floors, you know, squirting everywhere like I would expect from an artery.
But then again, when does your blood pressure and when does the volume of blood drop enough that you don't have this, you know, massive flow?
Anyway, all these questions.
But at the end of the day, Jim, one of the things that bothers me is that this is a college campus that has so much CCTV you can see in principle every square inch.
And we've only ever seen the CCTV footage from a building that's not even where the event was.
So where are the cameras that film the courtyard?
Because there should be about six or eight cameras just fit, you know.
Could somebody go to this college campus and just photograph all the cameras and ask for the footage from those?
I agree completely, Catherine.
Completely.
As though they wanted to conceal what really happened.
Yeah.
And, you know, again, the only footage of him getting shot that I've ever seen, but then I have to one that, you know, you just played, the frontal one.
And there should be so many more cell phones.
Where are those?
Yeah.
You know.
You're going to love this.
Clumsy Charlie Cook cover-up will destroy mega.
Watch this, Catherine.
Wonderful.
Good morning.
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Get in, Tyler.
Yeah.
We're taking you to Dairy Queen.
Great job, kid.
Okay, from now on, you just do what we say.
Now go get your Dairy Queen.
It still hasn't been 33 hours.
As we wait for the 33 hours, the FBI is hard at work coming up with a solid script to present to the public.
How do we get away with this?
I got it.
Let's just ask Chat GPT to generate us a story of young gay lovers from the 20s.
Genius.
When you're talking about things like going out to a crime scene, that's how you investigate that matter properly.
And when you're talking about why did it take 33 hours, all of that is being triaged by the FBI because that's what we do.
We trusted you with the Epstein files.
We definitely can trust you with this.
Right.
Trust your government.
Noticing is antiseptic, right, John?
That's right.
I think we might have found our suspect texting his furry lover.
We're just waiting for him to confess.
Ugh, fine, but nobody my age sounds like that.
Shut up, Tyler, and send it.
Good thing they're rigorously pushing for a confession.
It's like, let's get this over with, right?
Conspiracy theorists will believe anything these days.
And this just did.
We have footage of Tyler on the roof.
Okay, here he is after disassembling the rifle to fit it in his pants.
And now he doesn't have a shadow.
Shapiro Steen, explain what we're seeing here.
Just because his shadow disappeared and our donors offered $1.5 million to find the killer doesn't mean we did it.
But yes, he questioned too much.
That's why we got rid of him.
We'll just say he reassembled it.
33 hours, two hours after the video footage was enhanced and released, and the suspect's father turned him in.
Seems like they could just show the actual footage of him taking the shot instead of that edited video, and all these conspiracy theories go away.
Do they think we're retarded or something?
Hell yeah, Ching Chong.
That's based.
I mean, at least show the video of the lavalier exploding or the Israeli Schaefer security company retrieving the weapon.
Shut it down, John.
Let's not forget what happened to Jackie when she noticed.
Now, make the dad, MAGA, and have him call it in now.
Are you ready to confess?
He admitted it, okay?
Now, when do I get the 1.5 million?
Well, hope he gets his ransom money, right?
Well, it's officially been 33 hours.
Oh, how exciting.
Let's hear Cash thank the Viking pagan gods.
Charlie would love that.
To my friend Charlie Kirk.
Rest now, brother.
We have the watch.
And I'll see you in Valhalla.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
We got him.
Forgive Tyler, for we know it was him, and there's nothing more to see here.
Good call, Erica.
And if you still haven't followed Jake GTV yet, you might be severely retarded.
Certainly not based.
Wonderful.
How can you be back?
Isn't that most wonderful?
Yeah, it's it had so many elements with, you know, and yeah, Kash Patel, gosh, I mean, his 33 hours, you know, the Masonic signaling just put, I think, I think that should be already grounds to sack him, you know, that 33 hours was like, that's it, that's it, dude.
Fuck off.
Oh, yeah.
Just take your bags and fuck off.
Don't even come with the Valhalla.
Oh, yeah, the Valhalla Nordic Nazi shit.
Yeah, bring that in too, you know.
Just, just, oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Anyway, so that was such a brilliant parody.
I mean, it got so many angles.
That was fantastic.
Look, I will admit that after the show, I'm going to go to that website and I'm going to watch it three times in a row because it was funny as shit.
But also, it just collected so many of these fake elements.
You know, one of the questions that I have, and it's a very basic one.
I mean, never mind the disappearing shadow.
And then he does he have a gun or a jacket that he jumps off the roof.
My first question is: Has anybody ever jumped off a roof?
Because at kids, we tried and you ran a serious risk of breaking your ankle.
I mean, they make it look so easy.
Oh, yeah, he just jumped off this roof that's like what 10, 12 feet.
Oh, yeah, you know, you jump off this roof for me, you know?
Well, Catherine, you know, yeah.
And if he's jumping off the roof with a steel barrel in his trousers, the accordion effect is going to puncture his intestine hard to be dead on the spot.
Do you know that the coroner, in response to the question, there's no exit room, said Charlie was man of steel?
That he's Superman.
Catherine, this is so monstrous.
This is so insulting.
It is.
It is.
But then again, you know what's already insulting is that the FBI washed down the roof the next day after Butler, right?
Because there, when Corey Comparator was shot, there was blood.
There was blood.
There was blood everywhere.
They, you know, filmed the guy who was trying to save him.
He was former military.
And he was covered in blood.
His micro expressions, you know, showed that he was just shaken.
And, you know, I don't know.
So this is why, but then again, you know, this is also why I think that Butler was real because they did wash down the roof.
They did bleach the crook's home.
They did cremate the body really quickly.
Almost like that they wanted to get rid of the DNA evidence that would show that whoever was on the roof was not an offspring of the parents, right?
So there was all this like unnecessary floof that is completely consistent with it being a real attempt on Donald Trump's life and not consistent with, oh, Donald Trump has changed, you know, staged this to win the election.
I don't know.
But the bottom line is this.
If we zoom out, Jim, there is a deep state.
And yes, it's killing people.
It's killing Bill and me.
It's killing targeted individuals.
It's actually, it's publicly torturing them to death.
And we need to shut down the deep state.
And Trump, I think, genuinely wanted to do that at some point.
He brought in Cash and Bongino.
And I also note that Cash does really well.
He looks really good.
He's got all the time in the world to do the 33 and Valhalla cartel signaling bullshit.
I mean, that's another thing.
Valhalla, what the fuck is that?
When you are Indian heritage American, like which box did you pull that out of, right?
The one that had a swastika on?
Because that's where it comes from, right?
Well, off in New Zealand, there's a location called Valhalla where they put witnesses in protection program.
Ah, yeah.
Oh, so you're saying that this was like a code that, oh, we took care of Charlie.
Okay, but then in this theory, right, you're Kash Patel and you're like, okay, shit, he just, you know, pissed up the leg of the Israelis.
We need to protect this guy.
We're going to put him into witness protection, which by the way, I've never seen any trace of outside the movies.
But okay, let's assume this is really what's happening.
But then you're Kash Patel and you're like, okay, but we have to make it look like a total fucking shit show.
I have to walk out of this looking totally incompetent, like a right old dick.
Like I don't, you know, know what I'm doing.
And it has to be the most pathetic staged event that we've ever pulled off.
Is that the business plan here?
That's exactly what we're seeing.
I don't know.
And then on the other hand, you know, one of the things that I kind of find odd, though, is that, I mean, let's look at Bongino.
They brought in a number two.
So there are two deputy directors during the Maria Bartomolo interview, or what's her name?
You know, when they said there's no there, there and Epstein, forget about Epstein, and we shut down the Trump assassination investigation.
Bongino looked miserable.
He looked shell-shocked.
It looked like a hostage video.
And every time I see him since then, he has this like undercurrent of being pissed off.
So what's happening?
He doesn't look as happy as cash.
To me, personally, it looks like whatever the hell this Charlie Kirk shit was, I don't think that Bongino is quite happy about it.
You know, I just don't feel it.
He doesn't look like exuberant.
So I would keep my eye on this whole thing because if Kash Patel now will, you know, prosper and thrive after this shit show, he is deep state.
But if Bongino, something happens to Bongino and he, I don't know, he leaves the FBI, he quits, or some health incidents or anything like that.
To me, it implies that he is the real guy who should be running the FBI and the deep state is coming down on him like a ton of bricks.
And Kash Patel is just a deep state agent and has been all along.
And all this planting him at the heart of MAGA was carefully prepared by, you know, planting him as a lawyer in Trump's orbit to start with, then attacking him just about enough so he can write this book and come across as this great guy.
Because fuck, I haven't heard anything of him before this.
Did you hear anything about Kash Patel being this great, you know, truther or great anything?
Brought out of nowhere.
Yes, he's a cardboard cutout.
Meanwhile, Bongino has a long-standing track record.
And at least on his shows, he said the right things week in, week out, you know?
So, gosh, going forward, whatever the fuck this was that we witnessed, I'm not even sure I can be enough to look into it in detail because it's just, it's a waste of our time.
What I take away from this is whatever the fuck this was, the intel agencies did it.
And that's not what they should be doing with our taxpayers' money, right?
So, gosh, just call the management.
Everybody who was involved in this sacked them during the government shutdown.
That's my final word about this, Jim.
What do you think?
I love it, Gather.
We have a disagreement.
It's fascinating, fascinating.
Tell Bill my warmest regards.
Loved you both.
Absolutely fabulous.
This is Jim Fetzer, concluding another real deal special report with Catherine Horton and Bill Penny under fire.
I bet you enjoyed this one.
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