Jim Fetzer - REAL DEAL SPECIAL (1 October 2025): Katherine Horton & BIll Binney UNDER FIRE!

Oct. 2, 2025 - Jim Fetzer

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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (1 October 2025): Katherine Horton & BIll Binney UNDER FIRE!

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	Welcome to another real deal special interview with Catherine Horton and Bill Binney under fire, where Bill is relaxing, so Catherine and I can hash it out over the Charlie Kirk shooting real or fake.
	And I've got several videos I want to run by her for her critical scrutiny.
	And Catherine is just a joy.
	And uh I get it.
	You're looking for conclusive evidence of vaccine.
	You feel you haven't seen it yet.
	I'll do my best to satisfy that Zitaran tonight.
	And you nevertheless think this is Erica Kirk is rather dodgy.
	Would you like to elaborate?
	Well, here's the thing.
	I um I have to be absolutely honest.
	Um what I'm really really tracking.
	So if people, you know, before people descend down on me on why I'm not completely on top of every last video that has been released about it, it's because my stance is that I I expected something to happen.
	I've been tracking the whole sequence of you know, people being harmed or taken out, getting closer and closer to Trump.
	And for me, it fit into that series.
	The the engravings on the casing to me are the announcement of an attack on Trump and Melania, and I don't think that is just switching off the uh elevator under them and under in the UN.
	So when I looked at the veritable shit show, that is the so-called investigation of the Charlie Kirk, whatever this was, incident, let's call it, right?
	If I want to be neutral, you you you maintain he might be alive, whatever it may be, that incident.
	The it's so obvious that the FBI is shit mixing the evidence or any information about it.
	It is so ludicrous, it is so idiotic that for me that is the evidence I'm looking for.
	So for me, it is conclusive.
	It was the intelligence agencies who pulled off whatever the hell this was.
	And therefore, the engravings on the on the shell casings are a message, cartel signaling from the intelligence agencies.
	And that is literally the only thing I'm taking away from this incident.
	Everything else I'm putting a black box around because I don't have chain of custody for the videos.
	I you know, it goes back and forth.
	There's definite evidence of AI having been used to manipulate some of the videos.
	Um, the resolution on a lot of them is not what I would expect from a cell phone, so it was clearly, you know, but for example, the one that you showed me last week, where people made it look like it's actually Sean Curren standing next to Charlie Kirk instead of his private security.
	Well, there's a high uh resolution image or version of that where you can see it's a different guy.
	You can see it in high definition, you can see his jawline much more clearly.
	And the version that you know you found is is very low resolution.
	Um so we're going from high death to very low death.
	So somebody's trying to manipulate.
	Anyway, so before I get into anything, I just want to apologize because I was on top of the assassination attempts against Trump in detail.
	But the Charlie Kirk stuff for me is a ginormous shit fest.
	And and that for me is the evidence.
	So but apart from that, one of the things that was brought to my attention, although I haven't checked it yet because I this is how little I care, is that uh uh Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica Kirk, that her father um was the founder of Raytheon Israel Limited.
	Right?
	I'm like, da-da, there's again the link, right?
	To the weapons industry, the military industrial complex that would have, you know, pulled off a murder like that that would, you know, um sponsor the intelligence agencies and so on.
	But anyway, that's one thing.
	Then people pointed out all this cartel signaling, and there were three incidents that I've posted on my true social.
	I can bring up the uh the images.
	One of them is the ring that she's wearing that you pointed out when she's grieving over supposedly the dead body of her husband, which really we can all see is a dummy.
	Um that's a ginormous G in uh jewels or diamonds.
	Well, G, that's the logo of the Freemasons.
	There's also a photograph of her where she has um a cross, and then she has the cross of Malta, like the uh Knights of Malta, the Vatican, the Knights of Malta, actually a separate organization that's uh that that that has a seat at the UN, by the way, just like the Vatican.
	So um, I can bring up that image.
	And um, the third one was when she is in that white outfit.
	I think it was the first press conference she gave in that white uh pant suit.
	And at some point she takes the uh the hanky and it's just covering her eyes and is you know crying, and she's showing the middle finger.
	So she's holding this clearly with the middle finger.
	I think it was Catherine Austin Fitz who pointed that out.
	And um, you know, she said it's it's the mocking is so overt and so ridiculous, right?
	So anyway, all that.
	But what I would like to say is even though I I've seen that, I've noted that, it also has to be borne in mind that the Intel agencies run honey pots, and honey pots will have kids with whoever they are honey potting if it's a long-term project.
	So for me, it showed that Erica's family is as dodgy as they come, right?
	There are so many question marks.
	Um, but does that prove that Charlie Kirk is still alive?
	Not quite.
	In fact, in that scenario, it the long-term strategy would be to that something would happen to him, and uh, you know, Erica would take over.
	So, you know, it it's it's all very inconclusive.
	But one of the things that is absolutely sure is that in the whole event, I can see the shit mixing of the intelligencies.
	They are all over it, right?
	Everything doesn't make any sense.
	Also, with how the evidence was released, supposed evidence was released, because at first they said, Oh, we're not gonna make any images about the supposed shooter public.
	Uh yet they had a manhunt.
	So I posted on true social.
	If you have a manhunt and you don't make the image public, I mean, aren't you just showing yourself shooting yourself in the foot?
	And then boom, half an hour later, they released a CCTV image.
	And I said, Well, okay, but you're looking, you're looking for somebody, supposedly.
	Well, you don't know who that is, which by the way is nonsense from the intelligencies because they can do an image reverse lookup and they have all our faces, right?
	They have our passports, they have our driver's licenses.
	So it's nonsense.
	There are no manhunts really.
	But anyway, if you run with a shit show that you're looking for somebody, and you have high definition CCTV on a campus, you should be releasing moving images of this person because you can recognize your friends from a distance just from how they move.
	In fact, there is uh, you know, a company, uh there used to be a couple of years ago that you know sold it to Lockheed Martin or Boeing or one of these things.
	But what they did is develop algorithms to identify people with how they moved.
	Because if you wear, you know, some sort of camouflage or fake beard or anything, you can still be picked up by a computer based on how you move.
	So, you know, just like AI can do it, and I, natural intelligence, can do it, and just like you can spot your friends from a distance before you can see their faces, it's a smarter thing if you have video and you're looking for somebody to release the video.
	And sure enough, I say that, and you know, two hours later they released the video.
	And uh, remember the screwdriver?
	If you had found a screwdriver up on the roof, it would be up front, right?
	But no, the screwdriver was released when people started questioning this whole disassembly reassembly of a gun, you know, and the whole thing is just it's not even cock-ups at this stage anymore, because the FBI and the military have enough people who handle guns Monday to Sunday, right?
	They sleep with their favorite gun under their pillow.
	So they know if this is plausible or not.
	It's just throwing shit out there so that we debunk it and exhaust ourselves and the debunking of it.
	So you see what I mean?
	That's that's basically why I'm at.
	Do I know if Charlie Kirk is dead or alive?
	I have no idea, but you know, the only thing for me that's important is that people make us believe he's dead, and that's all I need, you know.
	That's why I am so hit me with it.
	That's great.
	That's perfect.
	That's perfect.
	Did you pick up on Erica's Romanian angels that she was involved in?
	Oh, yes, yes, oh God, the orphanages.
	Now, I'm from Romania.
	For those who don't know, I'm an ethnic Hungarian from Romania from Transylvania, from the bit that used to belong to Hungary for a thousand years and then was given to Romania in after World War One.
	So, anyway, um the Romanian orphanages were famous for their child abuse for the squalid conditions the kids were kept in.
	I I mean now now that I know what I know about communism and how the Masons ran it, I think it was by intention.
	You know, it was one of their child trafficking hubs, one of their child and trauma-based mind control experimentation hubs.
	Because when it actually broke about what the situation on in those orphanages were, I mean, it was horrifying.
	You know, we have in Romania, we have gypsies and the gypsy kids have very you know deprived and impoverished lives, but it was nothing like the conditions in those orphanages where there was purposeful abuse and neglect of children.
	So again, of course, you want to do something good, and that would be one of the most shocking things, but man, again, it's it's like zoning in on vulnerable children.
	When your daddy founded Rahe on Israel, it just it just doesn't sit well with me because a family who is very much into the military industrial complex will stay in that business because it's the most profitable.
	When they suddenly, you know, uh fork off and uh into philanthropy involving children, that's it's just you know, it doesn't sit well with me.
	So it's just it gets ever more horrifying the more you look.
	That's why child traff sex trafficking is even more remunerative than weapon sales.
	That's a good question.
	Possibly yes, possibly yes, because once you buy a weapon, you have it.
	But uh, you know, these uh these predators, they want to keep consuming children as horrific as that sounds.
	So, yes, you might be right.
	Yeah, I'm worried about that.
	And then, of course, she's uh Donald Trump encourages her to enter the Miss Arizona contest.
	She's never modeled been a beauty contestant, in my opinion, she's not all that great looking.
	And she wins, she wins Miss Arizona, and then he encouraged her to enter the Miss USA, which he also runs.
	Do we see a pattern here?
	Is there anything suspicious, even remotely, Catherine?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But again, I mean, if you're hinting at the link with Donald Trump, um I see that's again because they're also systemic effects.
	So rich people socialize with rich people, and the richer you are, the higher the probability that in your set the the other people who are there at these events, right, got rich through crime.
	That's the truth, right?
	So the richer you are, the higher the likelihood that you would be, you know, socializing with people who are organized criminals, if you know it or not.
	Um, you know, then again, encouraging it encouraging a family's friend's family's friend to enter the miss whatever contest doesn't seem so nefarious, you know.
	I I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's not hard-hitting concrete proof.
	Compare it to Biden sniffing kids in the Oval Office.
	That was proof.
	That is proof, right?
	Oh bad.
	If we went back to that Arizona and Miss Arizona contest, we'd find other contestants who were more qualified than she in every category.
	That's my surmise.
	That this was many of that effect is also brought about when Daddy founded Raytheon Israel.
	You have no idea how many you know doors that opens.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	So there are all these keys that open a lot of doors already.
	Um, you know, I I'm just saying that connection to Donald Trump.
	I'm not sure if it's enough to, you know, to bring him into this.
	I mean, the one thing that I do find revolting is that the uh God, I mean, the entire rich people's world is beset with these dodgy characters because you know, not all of them got rich through their ingenuity and hard work.
	Yes.
	Well, let me tell you with the videos.
	Let me take it on one of these, yeah, right off the bat.
	It was a Charlie Kirk bizarre eyewitness interview.
	That's about the first three minutes.
	i'm breaking down the collagen powders of the year and why the number one pick is still lost to cover with the whole charlie kirk saga and this one takes the cake when it comes to this bizarro world and what is put on television programming what you see here is the aunt of these two children and her name is tiffany barker and the two nieces right here.
	You have Mia Grant and Ellie Steele.
	And the media constantly pushing the propaganda, putting children on the spot line on the world stage when this is completely obviously unnecessary.
	And these two look like something out of the shining.
	Just again a very bizarre world was presented on television programming.
	Let's get right to it with this very strange interview conducted on ABC's Good Morning America.
	We're joined now by Tiffany Barker and her nieces L. Steele and Mia Grant, who were all in the audience yesterday afternoon.
	Thank you for joining us uh this morning.
	I know it's been a difficult day for all of you right now.
	And Tiffany, let me begin oh with you.
	Just tell us what you remember about the scene yesterday.
	It was horrific.
	There was one shot that rang out, and everybody instantly looked around and then fell to the ground.
	People saw Charlie instantly get shot in the neck and point this out real quickly.
	You see the audience at the whole scene in Utah.
	And it's not the largest crowd in the world.
	It's not a small crowd either.
	But at the same time, you should be able to identify the individuals that claim that they were there.
	You notice anything, Catherine.
	Um, you know, Charlie Cock is not there.
	Um Nobody's in the tent.
	This is one third of the dance city that were there on the occasion, Catherine.
	This is a rehearsal interview for our crisis actors.
	A rehearsal.
	Unbelievable.
	Because it's gonna be noted that one of the girls state they were fifteen feet away from Charlie when this went down.
	So if anybody can spot them in the front row, that's where they should be if they're only fifteen feet away.
	But nonetheless, I wanna wanted to point that out.
	Notice he himself doesn't even seem to interview that the realize this is a rehearsal tape, that they wouldn't be there because they were there for the real occasion.
	And this is just a sparse.
	This is the actual crisis actors being given instruction as to how to perform.
	Which is mentioned a bit later in this footage that's presented with the whole scene.
	Let's continue on.
	Shot in the neck, and everybody fell to the ground, and then people started running and got run over.
	And I was with my family, we had sixteen of us there.
	So five adults and like eleven children, and we instantly got separated.
	We're trying to find everybody, and we had amazing good Samaritans that grab kids.
	One took my niece and took her to her apartment.
	Very strange to bring someone's niece, her niece, to an apartment.
	It kind of reminds me of that one event in the Northeast from years ago with the individual named Gene Rosen bringing children into his home after that event as well.
	Just very strange, very bizarre.
	Let's continue.
	Somebody grabbed these two and my daughter and took them over to the tennis courts and stayed with them till I came.
	It was a super awful tragedy, and there were really good people that stood up and supported each other, and it was actually really powerful to see that.
	Al and me, I can't imagine how scared you must have been yesterday.
	What can you tell us about what you all remember?
	El, you go first.
	Um, so I remember hearing this thing.
	I didn't it was hard to like know what it was, but then I saw it, and I saw blood everywhere, and it hit his artery, and then just very bizarre.
	This this child talking about an artery being hit.
	I mean, how old is this child?
	And specific information being released, being stated here.
	Just again doesn't pass a smell test with all these type of events.
	I just fell to I fell to the ground, I covered my my head with my hands, and then I just started saying a prayer, and then we all ran.
	Shalom.
	I'm Rifki Green from Lev Hawam.
	And I am standing in the very heart.
	So instead of running first, she stood there and had a prayer.
	Then after the prayer was completed, then she started running.
	Something seems very off with that.
	Let's continue on.
	And we ran into like we ran away to, and then we met at the tennis courts, and I couldn't, and then we couldn't find um anyone.
	It was just me, Mia, and then my other cousin Bella.
	And then we were calling everyone.
	We didn't know what to do.
	And then we finally met up with them.
	And it was just so scary.
	Again, this well-spoken child, very young, but very articulate for the...
	Go ahead, Catherine.
	I'm sorry.
	And when she says, Yeah, it was it was so scary.
	She does this like, yeah, you know, that is not the body language of that was so scary.
	It's the body language of, yep, and with that my script's over, you know.
	I can go play.
	Yeah, it gets worse.
	For her age, and the names that are mentioned, Bella, like I've talked about so many times with the Bell.
	Let me back up here momentarily, and again, looking at the name, it's pronounced L, but it's spelled like Ellie steel.
	You flip over the E's, you get your obviously your dual 33 in plain sight, the L's are threes as well.
	I mean, literally, this is full of coded 33s in plain sight, and her name is pronounced L. Find that interesting when it comes to Hebrew.
	L is God, just like Bella or Bell means Lord or Master.
	And the tennis courts are constantly being mentioned during the interview itself, and as I demonstrated in my Novak Djokovic video, specifically this logo, when you turn it backwards, flip it around, it looks like sinner.
	So just another aspect of the law of reversal in play.
	Let's continue on here.
	Moving forward to Mia Grant during this interview on again ABC News, and let's take a listen to what is said here.
	I want to move forward because they actually show the real footage, and you see how there were three times as many people there, and everyone under the tent, so they mix it up.
	And Catherine, I actually saw this phony rehearsal in an ABC promo for shows, they don't realize what they've done.
	I think they do.
	After L or Ellie.
	I remember that we were like 15 feet away.
	I gotta stop right here.
	15 feet away.
	So specific with the numbers, and again, like I showed earlier.
	If you're 15 feet away from what went down, where are the individuals that we see on the screen anywhere around here?
	We have to really zoom in here to get a good look.
	But they would be in this vicinity around here.
	It's hard to tell, obviously.
	There's different angles, but again, to say, you know, 15 feet away that number 15 for a young child, just really bizarre how specific and how the whole interview goes.
	But we'll continue on here.
	Once again, you just pause it.
	Back up just here, Tad.
	Get back to the answer.
	On on the oh yes, I mean he's absolutely right.
	The whole thing is just dodgy as hell, right?
	These are quite clearly crisis actors, right?
	Um, but the the one thing that is for sure, the so these three, first of all, children don't tell you it was 15 feet.
	They have no idea what 15 feet is.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, I'm European, I I I work in meters, but as a child, I did not think, oh, that's 10 or 20 meters.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So that's one thing, you know.
	The the of course is wrong.
	So what is the what is the purpose?
	What is the cartel signaling of the 15 feet?
	Well, if these three stood there each 15 feet away from the stage, 15, the numerology is five plus one is six.
	You have six, six, six in a row.
	Ah, nice.
	Nice.
	I love it.
	Yeah, that's why they put it in.
	Yes.
	I agree with them.
	Also the names.
	Yeah.
	I love it.
	We continue.
	Start of this again where she mentions the number 15.
	I've covered the number 15 before.
	On the runic wheel, it is the cross.
	Sure, Mia.
	I remember that we were like 15 feet away, and I thought like the shot was like a firecracker or something.
	I just it just didn't seem real.
	Firecracker didn't seem real.
	This is a constant over the years with these events.
	After that, we went like behind where Charlie Kirk was, and then we were meeting up at the tennis courts and trying to find everyone and get everyone together.
	And Charlie Kirk was such a good guy.
	I'm gonna miss him so much.
	I've always watched all of his videos, and I can't imagine.
	America's gonna miss Charlie Kirk.
	Can't remember all that.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Isn't it embarrassingly bad, Catherine?
	And then honestly, God, they're showing that video, not realizing it's a rehearsal, or you're saying maybe they do know.
	They do know, and and it's on purpose.
	So, yes, I mean it was it was within hours within hours of the uh of the actual shooting that I saw an interview with uh you know supposed college student, and she was all chirpy, you know.
	Um I mean, uh yes, it's all all this is true.
	Then again, would they have done something like that if they wanted uh to kill him for real?
	Um would they wanted to have a rehearsal, you know, after I've I've no idea.
	I I'm still looking for for concrete evidence that that you know Charlie is still alive, or what the game plan would be.
	And look, I not for nanosecond do I say that it would be impossible, or that I couldn't believe it if I saw evidence.
	Oh, absolutely freaking lutely.
	I mean, this right, and yes, when when they keep saying, Oh, it just didn't feel real, it didn't seem real.
	That that is a recurring scene theme, as this guy says in all the false flag ops.
	They always keep saying, Oh, it just didn't feel real.
	So let me pull up what we have here.
	Okay, here's the second one.
	Guess when Turning Point rented the facility for Charlie Kirk's funeral.
	I get her voice.
	Column of leaning toward that we're watching a movie.
	Get this TPUSA rented that state farm stadium for this 21st of September in May.
	And oh, you might think, oh well, they have some other event that's going on.
	No, you go on their website, there was no other planned event that was on the schedule for the 21st of September.
	So are they expecting us to dig into this and find these things out and realize something's going on?
	Anyway, yeah, check it out.
	Check out the rental agreement for a stadium.
	I mean, just a second.
	So she says, go and check it out, but how would I go about and how would she go about finding out the rental agreement between TP USA and the stadium?
	Let me just give you a parallel.
	Uh they had this march for our lives in Washington, DC after the Parkland shooting in Florida.
	It was just a couple weeks later.
	And lots of events they closed the roadways, they had big stars.
	Turns out in Washington, DC, if you're gonna have an event that closed the roads, you gotta submit your permit six months, 180 days in advance.
	And we they did we track down the officer, took the permit.
	There's a whole thing with phony bologna.
	That's exactly what they've done here.
	I have no doubt.
	Now I agree.
	Let's tie it down.
	Let's look at the Randall agreement and all that.
	But Catherine, that's how it's done.
	This is so fake.
	This is so phony and contrived.
	Just a second, because this is important.
	I mean, look, in in my mind, I have to run both tracks.
	Like, this is a faked murder, and this is a real murder.
	Um, I mean, even in a real murder, they do not shy away from mobilizing these resources and getting all the permits and setting it up.
	But if it's a real murder, if right, the important thing for me would be that they knew in May that they're going to murder him now in September, right?
	So I have to see how this fits into the sequence of what what else there was going on.
	Because as I'm aware, Giuliani genuinely had that accident, right?
	Which I to this day maintain was.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm not confessed.
	So what's really important is that um the Charlie Kirk shooting, real or staged, was already fixed in May.
	It was not because I was wondering, did they just take out Charlie Kirk because you know, Giuliani survived by miracle?
	Um, this kind of changes it.
	It means that this was the sequence all along, you know.
	So, what does that mean?
	Um, how long ago have they planned the next hit on Donald Trump?
	You know?
	Um see I interpret it differently.
	I mean, what this means is it was a stage event and they'd been planning it at least since May, at least.
	And since Charlie seemed to have sold his 5.25 million dollar mansion like the year before, I think it was all in the works.
	Charlie was in a choice between silver or lead.
	BB offered him 150 mil if he into the coffers of turning point if he'd be more enthusiastic about genocide.
	Frankly, that's quite a demand to be enthusiastic about genocide and more supportive of expanding the definition of anti-Seminism to include any chrism of Israel.
	Charlie said no.
	Charlie said no.
	And he told Candace, Tucker, and Clayton that he was worried they were gonna take him out.
	I believe that is all bona fide, and that this was designed to save his life, and a lot of people knew about it.
	I mean, those are all crisis actors there, of course, at the running away from the state with Charlie wasn't even there.
	I mean, uh here's the thing.
	If if this is the version, and and so you're saying that this whole thing would be authorized by the Trump administration, we want to save our good guys.
	I'm saying Charlie's tremendous.
	I suspect Donald suggested to him to do this.
	I suspect, but I respect your alternative version.
	I see, I think Butler was a staged event.
	He wasn't actually shot.
	So I call this Butler 2.0.
	But I recognize we have differences, which I think is wonderful.
	I honestly, for you and they have differences about Butler and Utah Valley, that's amazing.
	Go right ahead.
	Here's the thing.
	So the way I like to run any analysis, because one of the things you learn in particle physics is that no matter how experienced, how old, how good, how smart you are, because of the inherent in uncertainties of the system and your detectors, you never know who's right.
	Sometimes the student who just started his PhD program is right over you because of just some uncertainty.
	So the way I like to run it is I keep all hypotheses on the desk, right?
	Until one of them is just out because it's not possible anymore.
	So I like to run all of them.
	I don't want to settle on Charlie Kirk is alive, I don't want to settle on Charlie Kirk is dead.
	I really don't care.
	Everything stays on the table, and we've run the whole thing through.
	And also that kind of keeps you in the game of always thinking of an alternative explanation, right?
	So let's leave all the options on the table.
	My question is before I go to the Trump thing again.
	Um, my question is if Donald Trump suggests this, and everybody knows that the intelligence is put on these shit shows, and you know, wouldn't you want to make the whole thing really like neat and discreet and and just get it over with instead of having such bombastic fuck ups where the mainstream media broadcast the rehearsal run, which you know, with like you know, 300, 400 crisis actors.
	Would you do it?
	And then also, would you just fuck up over and over and over again and have this like drawn out slow motion Car crash of the FBI investigation, or will you make it really sneat, compact, nobody can fuck with it, and it's just conclusive.
	The guy's dead, that's it, goodbye.
	It's so sad.
	We have this event.
	Bye.
	Because I think that's what I would do.
	If I would really want to save this guy's life and just say, hey, look, you have to start a new existence somewhere without your children, without your wife.
	Hey, she's a bitch anyway.
	We'll get you another one.
	Don't worry about it.
	Have new kids, right?
	That's a possibility.
	Not the first time it would happen.
	I think you've just made a great argument that this was Charlie's own up without Trump because Trump would have had it done more professionally.
	And this was the original amateur hour.
	You know, this is the first time in a long, long, you know, period that I hear you say something praising about Trump that you trust him that he wouldn't have to fucked up quite so fast.
	Here we go, get this.
	You're gonna love this too.
	Uh missing blood and bullet here.
	This is this is quite true.
	There's a dose of reality.
	There are nearly 2,000 drug-related crashes every year in Wisconsin.
	I don't want to sound crazy at Granger, we're for the ones who pay attention to every little detail.
	The ones who fuss, tinker, and sweat the small stuff.
	Narrative becomes so much more evident to me.
	And we're gonna show evidence supporting our theory as far as what really happened that day that we saw Charlie Kirk get shot.
	So let's start out with one of the I I think this is one of the most damning pieces of evidence, and it is of the chair that one of the security guys throws off after Charlie falls, and it does go through a table.
	So we're gonna play that right now.
	Okay, right here.
	Well, it does look like he falls under the tablecloth as well.
	That might also be relevant later, but yeah, right there.
	Okay, and it will show it again.
	so the chair glitches and falls through the table Yeah, but that just proves this is AI generated footage.
	I don't think it's our eyes.
	Yeah, and I don't think this is digital compression being done by the device automatically, nor do I think it's automatic AI enhancement.
	This looks like it's intentionally been altered.
	Perhaps to hide whatever's going on behind it.
	Okay, and then do you want to play the next one of the absolutely?
	So then this is the front view.
	So this is the same thing seen from the front view, and we're gonna see what I believe to be more realistic physics as far as the chair goes.
	And uh so he grabs the church, he slides it to the side, and then it bounces off of the tall table and falls down.
	And I will repeat this again later.
	But uh here also, when he they pick him up off the ground, it looks like his t-shirt is relatively clean, where we just saw the blood.
	Not well, not just saw it, but where the blood had been seen in other angles.
	So right there, the t-shirt looks quite clean.
	I don't know if that's a mic court or whatever there, but then when you look at his right collar, you can see that the microphone almost still seems to be attached in one of the frames.
	Yeah, there it almost looks like the microphone is still there.
	And the shirt is very clean.
	But in an earlier clip, we see the microphone disappear.
	You wanted to comment, Catherine.
	Yeah, look, my problem with all of this is like where did uh whatever her name is get this footage from?
	Because I can tell you, um, at this at these high profile events, and especially now that you know Trump is promoting AI and his his uh parody account is putting out AI footage all day long, right?
	They're all pushing AI, and we all you know see these AI-generated dance videos on YouTube.
	Um what the Intel agencies would do is use their myriad fake accounts and just flood the internet with AI generated trash.
	So I just want to know where did you get the video from?
	Was it Dobby 3357 on YouTube or TikTok?
	Like, where does the footage come from?
	Because now we live in an era where you can't trust anything.
	I mean, you cannot, you know.
	But you agree that if there's I agree that was trash.
	Yeah, I agree.
	That was generated footage.
	Does not fall through a table.
	And you know what?
	If you just go randomly on YouTube and um, you know, find some AI footage.
	Like a very common one that AI keeps, you know, on YouTube and keeps popping up in my on my landing screen is people dancing, and there's things like people doing pirouettes and their body is turning and their head is not.
	Right.
	All sorts, um, where the joint movement is not realistic.
	Like not all of us are double-jointed, right?
	So, yes, and and these glitches are there.
	Um, so it to me looks just like sloppy AI generated footage, but again, all that proves is that as an investigator, I have to take the whole clip and throw it away, you know, and just get some pure stuff.
	It's proof of something.
	I mean, it's proof of all it is definitely proof that I would say somebody in the Intel agencies generated that footage.
	Well, I you know, I deal with this in JFK because uh home movies the assassination will alter.
	So they say, well, then it's no longer useful as evidence, but it is it's evidence of tampering of all terrains, and the very things they altered are the very important, most important elements.
	They took out the limo stop.
	There's the limo stop.
	I estimate took 20 seconds.
	Jack was hit the head three times during the limo stop.
	But there's no limo stop in the extent version of the Zapruder film.
	We had to reconstruct it based on interviews with the motorcycle cops, the four motorcycle cops and their supervisors to have a cell as all testified to the limo stop.
	And we've got others who have seen what appears to be the unaltered, the original film, who talk about the limo stop, and now we've established he was actually hit in the back of the head, he slumped forward, Jackie's and back up.
	He's in the right temple, and you're simultaneous in the side of the head, all during the limo stop, which they eliminated.
	And get this, Catherine.
	This is hardest to believe.
	During the limo stop, a secret service agent actually climbed into the limo scene.
	It's unbelievable.
	He was there all the way to power climb.
	I'm not talking about Clint Hill was writing on the back.
	I'm talking about another agent got in to make sure Jack was dead.
	I mean, this is very, very elaborate.
	Let me uh continue here because there's more I want you to see.
	And we'll show that one soon.
	Yes, so yeah, it looks like the microphone is still there, although in other clips it looks like it flew off.
	And then uh I also did see what looked like white poster board behind the white uh thing in the front there.
	But yeah, here you can see it looks like maybe a cord, maybe that's a blood spurt, but then you also see what looks like the microphone is still in its original position, as well as a lack of blood on the shirt.
	And I think we've all been stained with a cut before.
	And we know how blood really soaks up or material really soaks up blood.
	Let me tell you something, ladies.
	Don't overdo this bariatric salt trick.
	I tried it and dropped from size 20 to 14 inch right.
	Do you want to go into the chair?
	Uh like the comparison, like the side-by-side comparison of the chair falling through versus how it fell.
	I don't know if the audience will find it as relevant as I do, but I think it proves that the forward view.
	So I think what we're gonna see here is that this one is the one that was intentionally altered, perhaps to hide what was going on there behind the chair, and you can see how it rotates.
	So he slides it and then it rotates towards the camera towards stage right before it falls off onto the bottom of its legs and then falls backward onto its back.
	And I don't think that's what actually happened.
	I do believe that the chair did not rotate and it fell onto its left side, as we will see here.
	So the chair bounces between the table and the platform before falling straight over to its left side.
	There is no rotation here seen to stage right, so um, you know, to our left or to the stage's right.
	You don't see the chair actually rotate before falling.
	I believe this to be the actual physics, and I think this is more of an unaltered video than the other angle.
	We don't know.
	I believe that this one is perhaps real and the other one is obviously fake.
	Okay.
	You you made the point, Catherine, about the you know, the origin of the videos.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Both of them could be fake.
	But there's more here.
	And then do we want to show the table, the still of the table, and then sure.
	Okay, so here you can see the corner of the table.
	Looks like there might be like a tiny bit of red fluid.
	Like who knows?
	It almost looks like someone might have been drinking wine without a coaster.
	There's very little blood there.
	And when you look down on the grass next to the chair, there is virtually zero blood at all.
	Yes, you can see a little bit more clearly here.
	There's almost no blood there at all.
	And to me, that is actually suspicious for the type of wound he received.
	Now you do see some blood on this, looks like audio equipment case, but uh it's very little compared to what you would expect.
	Um, I myself actually have bled out more than that in a car crash.
	And I have also cleaned up after a fatal gunshot wound.
	And uh there was, I would say, 100 times more blood from the gunshot wound that I cleaned up than what we see there.
	And I will also say that you know, the blood that I lost in the car crash is still 10 times more than what we see there.
	Yeah, it's just unusual how for what we saw come out.
	Very little is left.
	Okay.
	Um, do we want to show the AI artifact of him?
	Or uh I believe we we could because there are several anomalies we could point out with this video that I believe are either AI enhanced or completely faked altogether somehow.
	All right, and this one is gonna be a little gory, so fast forward a minute if you don't know.
	I think everyone has seen it.
	We couldn't, you couldn't help but see it because it got pushed out uh to everyone.
	So all right.
	So one of the anomalies that we see here would be his lapel mic looks like it travels up into his neck.
	I don't know if this has been part of the alteration that's been done, but this video has absolutely been altered.
	You can see the F disappears and it says read them, and then the F finally comes back right there, and then the blood comes out, it looks like it starts to pour down his shirt, but then there are also angles where it looks like uh the shirt's almost waterproof, like the blood touches it and then bounces off, and then it stays white.
	So to me, this could be either artificial and tell and the movement of the bullet hole there, too.
	You can see the bullet hole doesn't exactly move perfectly with him.
	It looks like it moves slightly more to the front, which is either a projection or AI enhancement some of some sort.
	And to me, it just looks fake, and we have a clip of someone that um knows how to do CGI.
	Uh I'll play that right here.
	So here's uh Ben Werman pointed this out.
	Was it all faked?
	Experienced video analysts have already come out and confirmed that the original close-up of the neck is doctored.
	What is weird is all the footage I have when I plug it into final cut and analyze it, there's always blurred pixelated areas around Charlie.
	I don't want to sound crazy posting it, but I work on film and footage, and something's up with footage.
	I screen grab in the first few hours, almost like the clips were doctored in some way.
	So as of right now, and this is a great video, full breakdown, and we'll go through many of these clips.
	It seems that the most likely is the squib.
	However, there does seem to be indications in some places that appears to be CGI overlays, augmented reality, which is plausible, but not necessary.
	It doesn't necessarily have to include those elements, but there does seem to be indications of that, which we are looking at.
	Yeah, let me uh get your further thoughts, Catherine.
	I'm convinced it was uh CGI now got we get Canda saying she's got that video from behind and there's no blood.
	We got that video there from the front, no blood.
	I got another video from the side, there's no blood.
	Yeah, the girl saying there was blood everywhere, well, there's blood nowhere, there's no blood in the it's inside the tent, the back of the tent, side of the tent, bottom of the tent, they carry him off to the SUV, no blood, no blood.
	If they're doing anything that try to staunch the bleeding with their hands, there's no blood on their hands either.
	So I mean, and there's video after video showing just the features.
	I'm talking about Catherine.
	Your thought.
	My thought is that the that video of him getting shot, the frontal video is the one that we've seen, you know, in I think two or three shows that we done.
	And I think in the very the very start of the video is the one where the his his ring moves from you know the ring finger down to the little finger.
	So that footage is already altered.
	And also note that all these, you know, um clips were supposedly recorded by a cell phone, and cell phones have ludicrously high resolution.
	So even if you recorded it from the back and you zoomed in, where's the original footage that is high definition?
	Because everything looks really shit.
	It looks like you know video footage from the early 2000s from 24 years ago.
	It looks appalling.
	So it's just like that's not real footage, you know.
	I have seen crisp and clear footage that really looks like from a cell phone where Charlie is supposedly carried through into the car, and these people were pointing out that somebody had already climbed up behind that uh passageway onto this barrier wall thing and was filming them.
	Now that footage looked legit.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So that footage seemed legit because it was so high definition.
	You couldn't see Charlie, you couldn't see all the mess, there was no blood gushing on the floor, you know, squirting everywhere, like I would expect from an artery.
	But then again, when does your blood pressure and when does the volume of blood drop enough that you know you don't have this uh you know massive flow?
	Anyway, all these questions.
	But at the end of the day, um, Jim, one of the things that bothers me is that this is a college campus that has so much CCTV, you can see in principle every square inch.
	And we've only ever seen the CCTV footage from a building that's not even where the event was.
	Yeah, so where are the cameras that film the courtyard?
	Because there should be about six or eight cameras just fit, you know, can somebody go to this college campus and just photograph all the cameras and ask for the footage from those?
	I agree completely, Catherine.
	Completely.
	As though they wanted to conceal what really happened.
	Yeah.
	And um, you know, again, um, the only footage of him getting shot that I've ever seen, but then I have to one that you know you just played, the the frontal one.
	Yeah, and there should have been so many more cell phones.
	Where are those?
	Yeah, you know.
	You're gonna you're gonna love this.
	Clumsy, Charlie could cover up will destroy Mega.
	Watch this, Catherine.
	Wonderful.
	Good morning.
	Ongoing investigation on the active shooter leads us to a trans liberal with a Republican dad.
	That'll create some division.
	We go live to the trusted FBI for more.
	Get in, Tyler.
	Yeah.
	We're taking you to Dairy Queen.
	Great job, kid.
	Okay, from now on, you just do what we say.
	Now go get your dairy queen.
	It still hasn't been 33 hours.
	As we wait for the 33 hours, the FBI is hard at work coming up with a solid script to present to the public.
	How do we get away with this?
	I got it.
	Let's just ask Chat GPT to generate us a story of young gay lovers from the 20s.
	Genius.
	When you're talking about things like going out to a crime scene, that's how you investigate that matter properly.
	And when you're talking about why did it take 33 hours, all of that is being triaged by the FBI because that's what we do.
	We trusted you with the Epstein files.
	We definitely can trust you with this.
	Right.
	Trust your government.
	Noticing is antiseptic, right, John?
	That's right.
	I think we might have found our suspect texting his furry lover.
	We're just waiting for him to confess.
	Ugh, fine.
	But nobody my age sounds like that.
	Shut up, Tyler, and send it.
	Good thing they're rigorously pushing for a confession.
	It's like, let's get this over with, right?
	Conspiracy theorists will believe anything these days.
	And this just did.
	We have footage of Tyler on the roof.
	Okay, here he is after disassembling the rifle to fit it in his pants.
	And now he doesn't have a shadow.
	Shapiro Steen, explain what we're seeing here.
	Just because his shadow disappeared and our donors offered 1.5 million to find the killer doesn't mean we did it, but yes, he questioned too much.
	That's why we got rid of him.
	We'll just say he reassembled it.
	33 hours, two hours after the video footage was enhanced and released, and the suspect's father turned him in.
	Seems like they could just show the actual footage of him taking the shot instead of that edited video, and all these conspiracy theories go away.
	Do they think we're retarded or something?
	Hell yeah, Ching Chong.
	That's based.
	I mean, at least show the video of the lavalier exploding or the Israeli Shaper Security Company retrieving the weapon.
	Shut it down, John.
	Let's not forget what happened to Jackie when she noticed.
	Now, make the dead mega and have him call it in now.
	Are you ready to confess?
	He admitted it, okay?
	Now when do I get the 1.5 million?
	Well, hope he gets his ransom money, right?
	Well, it's officially been 33 hours.
	Oh, how exciting.
	Let's hear Cash thank the Viking pagan gods.
	Charlie would love that.
	To my friend Charlie Kirk.
	Rest now, brother.
	We have the watch.
	And I'll see you in Valhalla.
	Morning, ladies and gentlemen.
	We got him.
	Forgive Tyler, for we know it was him, and there's nothing more to see here.
	Good call, Erica.
	And if you still haven't followed Jake G TV yet, you might be severely retarded.
	Certainly not based.
	How can you be back?
	Isn't that most wonderful?
	Yeah, it's it's that so many elements with you know, and yeah, cash patel, gosh.
	I mean, his 33 hours, you know, the Masonic signaling just put I I think I think that should be already grounds to sack him.
	You know, that 33 hours was like, that's it.
	That's it, dude.
	Fuck off.
	Just take your bags and fuck off.
	Don't even come with the Valhalla.
	Oh, yeah, the Valhalla Nordic Nazi shit.
	Yeah, bring that in too, you know.
	Just oh my gosh.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so um That was such a brilliant parody.
	I mean, it got so many asked.
	It was fantastic.
	Look, I will admit that after the show, I'm gonna go to that website and I'm gonna watch it three times in a row because it was funny as shit.
	But also, it just collected so many of these fake elements.
	You know, one of the questions that I have, and it's a very basic one.
	I mean, never mind the disappearing shadow, and then he does he have a gun or a jacket that he jumps off the roof.
	My first question is has anybody ever jumped off a roof?
	Because at kids, we tried, and you ran a serious risk of breaking your ankle.
	I mean, they make it look so easy.
	Oh, yeah, he just jumped off this roof that's like what, 10, 12 feet?
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, do you jump off this roof for me?
	You know, well, Catherine, you know, yeah.
	And if you're jumping off the roof with a steel barrel in his trousers, he the accordion effect is it gonna puncture his intestine hard to be dead on the spot.
	Do you know that the coroner in response to the question there's no exit room said Charlie was man of steel that he's sure?
	He was superman.
	Catherine, this is so monstrous.
	This is so insulting.
	It is, it is, but then again, you know what's um what was already insulting is that the FBI washed down the roof the next day after Butler, right?
	Because there when Corey Comperator was shot, there was blood.
	There was blood, there was blood everywhere.
	They they you know, filmed the guy who was trying to save him, he was former military, and um, he was covered in blood.
	His micro expressions, you know, showed that he was just shaken and you know.
	Um I don't know.
	So this is why, but but then again, you know, this is also why I think that uh Butler was real because they did wash down the roof, they did bleach the crook's home, they did cremate the body really quickly.
	Almost like that they wanted to get rid of the DNA evidence that would show that whoever was on the roof was not an offspring of the parents, right?
	So there was all this like unnecessary floof that is completely consistent with it being a real attempt on Donald Trump's life and not consistent with oh Donald Trump does change, you know, staged this to win The election.
	Um, I don't know, but but uh the bottom line is this.
	Uh, if we zoom out, Jim, there is a deep state, and yes, it's killing people, it's killing Bill and me.
	It's killing targeted individuals.
	It's actually it's publicly torturing them to death, and we need to shut down the deep state.
	And Trump, I think genuinely wanted to do that at some point.
	He brought in Cash and Bon Gino.
	And I also note that Cash does really well.
	He looks really good.
	He's got all the time in the world to do the 33 and Valhalla cartel signaling bullshit, right?
	I mean, that's another thing.
	Valhalla, what the fuck is that when you are Indian heritage American?
	Like, which box did you pull that out of?
	Right?
	The one that had a swastika on, because that's where it comes from, right?
	Well, off in uh New Zealand, there's a location called Valhalla where they put witnesses in protection program.
	Ah, yeah.
	Oh, so you're saying that this was like a code that oh, we took care of Charlie.
	Okay, but then in this theory, right?
	Your your cash patel, and you're like, okay, shit, he just you know pissed up the leg of the Israelis.
	We need to protect this guy.
	We're gonna put him into witness protection, which by the way, I've never seen any trace of outside the movies.
	But okay, let's assume this is really what's happening.
	But then your cash patel, and you're like, okay, but we have to make it look like a total fucking shit show.
	I have to walk out of this looking totally incompetent, like a right old dick.
	Like I don't, you know, know what I'm doing.
	And it has to be the most pathetic staged event that we've ever pulled off.
	Is that the business plan here?
	That's exactly what we're seeing.
	I don't know.
	And then on the other hand, you know, one of the things that I kind of find odd though, is that um, I mean, let's look at Bon Gino.
	They brought in a number two, so there are two deputy directors.
	Um, during the Maria Bartomolo interview, or what's her name?
	Um, you know, when they said there's no there, there and Epstein, forget about Epstein, and we shut down the Trump uh in uh assassination investigation.
	Um looked miserable.
	He looked shell shot, it looked like a hostage video.
	And every time I see him since then, he has this like undercurrent of being pissed off.
	So what's happening?
	He doesn't look as happy as cash.
	To me, personally, it looks like whatever the hell this Charlie Kirk shit was.
	I don't think that Bon Gino's quite happy about it.
	You know, I I just don't feel it.
	He doesn't look like exuberant.
	So I would keep my eye on this whole thing because if Cash Patel now will, you know, um prosper and thrive after this shit show, he is deep state.
	But if Bon Gino, something happens to Bon Gino and he, I don't know, he leaves the FBI, he quits, or some health incidents or anything like that, to me, it implies that he is the real guy who should be running the FBI, and it the deep state is coming down on him like a ton of bricks, and cash patel is just a deep state agent and has been all along,
	and all this planting him at the heart of MAGA was carefully prepared by you know, planting him as a lawyer in Trump's orbit to start with, then attacking him just about enough so he can write this book and come across as this great guy, because fuck, I haven't heard anything of him before this.
	Did you hear anything about Cash Patel being this great you know, truther or great anything?
	Brought out of nowhere.
	Yes, he's a cardboard cutout.
	Meanwhile, Bon Gino has a long-standing track record, and and at least on his shows, he said the right things week in, week out, you know.
	So, gosh, going forward, whatever the fuck this was that we witnessed, I'm not even sure I can enough to look into it in detail because it's just it's a waste of our time.
	What I take away from this is whatever the fuck this was, the Intel agencies did it, and that's not what they should be doing with our taxpayers' money, right?
	So, gosh, just call the management.
	Everybody who was involved in this sacked them during the government shutdown.
	That's that's my final word about this, Jim.
	What do you think?
	I love it, Gathered.
	We we have a disagreement, it's fascinating, fascinating.
	Tell Bill my warmest regards, love to hear both.
	Absolutely fabulous.
	This is Jim Fetzer, including another real deal special report with Catherine Horton and Bill Penny under fire.
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