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The Raw Deal (26 September 2025) with co-host Paul from CA and special guest Sofia Smallstorm

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	Well, this is Jim Fetzer.
	You're a host on the Raw Deal right here on Revolution Radio Studio B.
	This 26th day of September.
	We begin with what perhaps everyone knows, but few are willing to say out loud.
	Colonel Lawrence Willoughkerson, Netanyahu controls Trump.
	Let's see what the Colonel has.
	So 20 years until retirement.
	At this rate, it's probably going to be more like 40.
	And of course.
	Here we are with Judge Napolitik.
	Before we get to the relationship between Netanyahu and Trump, Chris, if you could put up that full screen of his Truth Social.
	How do you read what he said and posted recently, which is being interpreted either as a joke or as a profound U-turn in his thinking?
	I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and win all of Ukraine back in its original form.
	With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe, and in particular, NATO, the original borders from where this war started is very much an option.
	Why not?
	I mean, is this even conceivable that Ukraine could win back Crimea and Donbass?
	No, it's not.
	And rather than putting a negative spin on it, I'm going to give the man a little credit here.
	And I'm going to put a positive spin on it.
	And you can judge whether it's positive or not, but it's not negative in the sense you were suggesting.
	And that is that he and Putin actually did accomplish something at the Alaska summit.
	And one of the things they accomplished was Putin was told by Trump what Trump was going to do and really advised not to pay a whole lot of attention to him because fundamentally it would lay out the path he was going to take.
	What is that path?
	That path is over to you, Europe.
	It's yours.
	Now, Putin knows, and Trump probably confided some of this to him, that there's no way that the United States is going to provide major armaments to Ukraine, even through NATO, even though he may say so.
	Judge, we can't even fulfill our contracts with Taiwan right now, arguably a much more serious situation with regard to their self-defense.
	It'll be four to six years before they get some of the very critical things we told them we'd give them.
	We have given so much to Ukraine and to Israel, the latter in spades, that we are out in many respects.
	The neocons are rejoicing in this.
	That's another reason he might have done it.
	I mean, the word is that Sebastian Gorka whispered this into his ear, and this is the last thing he heard before he said it.
	That's always a possibility with Trump, but I'm trying to put a positive spin on it.
	I'm trying to give him some ability to think strategically.
	I know it's really hard, but I'm trying.
	Is Russia a paper tiger, as he has claimed, as he said in the presence of President Macron?
	A paper tiger with forward troops that are strung out all along the line of defense and offense in Ukraine now, ready to murder the rest of what's left of Ukraine's military, with some 200 to 300,000 behind them, all of whom are rested, refitted, well-equipped, the latest equipment, and with strategy and tactics that is overwhelming for anything that's left in the remnants of Ukraine's military.
	So he's just going to take his time.
	He's going to take his time, and he'll probably peel off at some point onto the flank and go down and take Odessa, have his military very content with the fact he now has all the ports on the Black Sea's northern rim, come back into the Black Sea, America, with peril at your beck and call.
	So he's in the catbird seat, and I don't think he's really alarmed very much at what's maybe going to happen with the Europeans because they're all talking no action.
	Chris, cut number 22.
	Watch this, Colonel.
	It's been a terrible war.
	It should have ended, and Russia should have stopped it.
	But they've been three and a half years, and they've gotten not so far.
	So we'll see what happens.
	But the other side can fight too.
	And they've proven that maybe it's a pay.
	It could be that Russia is a paper tiger.
	I don't know what they are, but three and a half years of fighting and killing everybody, of killing 7,000 people a week for nothing, for nothing.
	So it's a very sad situation.
	But most of you have seen the recent statement I put out a little while ago.
	And I'm glad you got it.
	But I feel that way.
	I really do feel that way.
	Let them get their land back.
	So we'll see how it all works out.
	If they're a paper tiger, how are they killing 7,000 people a week?
	That's a pretty potent tiger.
	The Kremlin doesn't seem to be taking this seriously.
	They seem to be taking the Lawrence Wilkerson approach.
	They're not revealing if Trump mentioned to Putin that he was going to say or do this, but they don't seem to be alarmed by it.
	That's at least what they're putting out in public and what my friends in Moscow are telling me.
	I think Trump is very frightened.
	And I think much of what he's going to be doing over the next six months or so is going to reflect that fear.
	I think the assassination, murder, however you want to call it, of Charlie Kirk put the fear of God in him.
	I think the attempts on his life put the fear of God in him.
	And I think he knows there are powers of raid out there, not least of whom are some of the more virulent neoconservatives like Lindsey Graham.
	Not saying Lindsey would pick up a weapon.
	He's too big a coward to do that.
	But I am saying they would spark people to do it.
	And we seem to be, with Bibi leading the fray here, on an assassination binge in the world today.
	Before we get to BB, here is your favorite senator from South Carolina, cut number 28.
	Trump 2028.
	I hope this never ends.
	When he asks, what should you do if a Russian jet flies into your country?
	Shoot it down.
	He's tried to go out of his way to get Putin to the table.
	We don't want to humiliate Russia.
	We just want to end the war.
	And to our friends in Russia, here's what Trump did today.
	He told NATO, I'll sell you all the weapons you want.
	You can provide them to Ukraine.
	And as to Ukraine, you can use them any way you want.
	So to the Russian military, you're going to be up against the high-end American weapons that will be sold to NATO for the benefit of Ukraine.
	And this war is coming to your backyard here with no limitations like Biden.
	I had a broken windshield, and I had to file a claim for that.
	The good news is I had glass coverage on my sick as this.
	Well, you see what he's doing.
	This war is coming to your backyard, Mr. Putin.
	You can see what he's done.
	He's essentially satiated Lindsey Graham.
	It doesn't take much to do that.
	He's such an idiot.
	And he's not cost himself anything.
	Now, there's nothing coming to NATO, Judge, of consequence for four to six years.
	We do not have it to give it to them.
	We do not have it to give it to Taiwan.
	We are running out of giving it to Israel.
	If Israel goes against Iran, we're going to see just how badly we have run out.
	Before we get to Trump and Nets and Yahoo and who controls whom, I think you know General David Petraeus.
	I think you know that under his four-star command, an al-Qaeda thug who used to cut the heads of people off and cut their hands off, cut the hands of their babies off in front of them.
	I don't want to get too disgusting or graphic, is now the president of Syria.
	General Petraeus's people arrested this guy, put him in jail, but he's now come full circle.
	Here is a disgraceful, I think you'll agree, David Petraeus with Al Julani at the UN earlier this week.
	As you know, Mr. President, I spent over 37 years in the U.S. Army, and I was a soldier, not a diplomat.
	So I hope you'll forgive me if I speak with the directness of the old soldier that I am as I get the first question out of the way.
	Because the fact is that we were on different sides when I was commanding the surge in Iraq.
	You were, of course, detained by U.S. forces for some five years, including, again, when I was the four-star there.
	And here you are now as the president of Syria.
	I just want to tell you, really, on behalf of all the people who are here, that this conversation has truly filled me with enormous hope.
	It has been very, very heartening and illuminating.
	Your vision is powerful and clear.
	Your demeanor itself is very impressive as well.
	How are you holding up under all this pressure?
	Are you getting enough sleep at night?
	Again, I've been there and it is so very, very hard.
	And your many fans, and I am one of them, we do have worries.
	Colonel?
	This man has sunk considerably.
	When he was a two-star, I was on a panel with him and Samantha Power and a couple of other people who were more or less working their way into power positions within the U.S. government.
	And I was impressed by him as a two-star.
	He held his own with these people in the arguments over right to protect from Samantha Power and others.
	I think he's just gone totally downhill since that time and since the Paula Broadwell affair.
	And I'm one who I don't entertain conspiracy theories very much, but I'm hearing that that was a honey trap, that Paula Broadwell was a massage agent, actually.
	And I've seen some evidence to that effect, too.
	And that pretty much set him back considerably in his career, which is what you may recall what he said to the Senate.
	He told the Senate that one of the problems for his troops in the Middle East was Israel.
	He quickly had to retract that, but he told the truth.
	And I think that's when they sick Paula Broadwell on him.
	When you say Paula Broadwell was a honey trap, you're talking about the woman that supposedly was writing his biography with whom he cooperated, who eventually became his lover, and about which he lied and it undid his career as the head of the CIA.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Suggesting this might have been a setup by his friends, his former friends in the Mossad.
	Exactly.
	Payback for his having, you just don't do that.
	You don't go as a four-star before the United States Congress and testify in any way, fashion, or form that the U.S. relationship with Israel might be detrimental to your troops' lives in the Middle East.
	Let me just interject and get Paul's comments here about this.
	I mean, the Syrian guy Petraeus is praising is IDF.
	He's Israeli.
	He's like, damn, fascist Israeli guy running Syria and Betraeus is praising him.
	This is disgusting.
	Betraeus was talking about how he began, he was a cow and then ISIS.
	He was always Israeli.
	This is always an Israeli op.
	And this Betraeus, they said, called him Betreus.
	That fits.
	Paul, this is just so bad.
	Your thoughts.
	Well, thanks again, Jim, for having me on your show.
	I would, there's so much that we both just listened to.
	There's so many details and roads to go down to comment on.
	But in terms of what you just asked me about, you know, Betraeus, it's something that confronts all of us on a regular basis.
	And it confronted me, just slapped me in the face the other day.
	I'm reminded of it: that people like ourselves, right?
	People in our movement, if you want to call it that, in our sphere, we are at a level of understanding of things that the average person just not only does not comprehend, but in many cases, will not comprehend when you start to point it out, when you really get into the nitty-gritty of who's in charge and what their agenda is.
	You know, I would liken it to the notion that you're going to take a couple of young parents with children and they haven't really heard anything else.
	And somehow they bump into you, a total stranger, and you start to tell them how the entire medical establishment is a raid against their health and that the vaccine agenda is designed to poison their children.
	They're just not going to accept it.
	So I know this is a little long-winded, but I just think there's a lot of people like this General Petraeus that, you know, and I'm saying the B because you did, but I know it's P, but Petraeus, they just, I really believe there's a lot of people sincerely, they don't get it.
	They can't see it.
	And so they're looking at things from the old, what I call strategic geopolitical point of view.
	But they don't really know or appreciate the things that you and I do.
	Well, the point about Petraeus is that's the reference they make to him by those who are not his fans and he deserves it.
	I mean, this is just corrupt beyond belief.
	And I think Colonel Wilkerson's calling him out properly.
	Petraeus Betraeus has been compromised.
	And for him to be lauding compliments on a terrorist, an Israeli stooge, I just find it disgusting beyond belief, Paul.
	This is supposed to be an American military officer of the rank of four star.
	He was much lauded at the time, and he turns out to be nothing but a pile of shit.
	Well, Jim, I mean, this goes to my point.
	Now, I acknowledge what you just said.
	And again, he may indeed be corrupt, but also the possibility exists that he's, you know, he's just not at a level where he can fully grasp why he thinks what he does, why he believes what he does, if indeed it's true.
	In other words, when I was on the other night with Chicago Brew on a revolution radio segment he does, he's got a marathon Wednesday where he does about six hours or more radio, right?
	And, you know, we kind of went back and forth about this notion, you know, for example, with all our congressmen, all our senators and so forth.
	How many of them are corrupt, so-called, versus just plain ignorant?
	And many times probably a combination of the two.
	But it's like I've said many times, if you don't read the things we've read, take in the content that we have, whether it be audio, video, or text over the years.
	And I mean, I've mentioned many times on your show and others, I have a history that goes back to the 80s.
	I first began to encounter this material at a fairly young age.
	I'm back in the 80s.
	I purchased Henry Ford's book, The International Jew.
	And when you think about that, I pointed out many times the subtitle of that book.
	And of course, the average person, because I've asked them, has never heard of this book that Henry Ford wrote.
	They didn't know he wrote a book titled The International Jew.
	And the subtitle, when you think about it, is quite astounding.
	The subtitle is The World's Foremost Problem.
	And as I've said before, when I first began to read that book, and I still have not finished it in its entirety because it's not an easy read, but it's full of examples, full of history, full of analysis of the difference between them as a people versus us as a people.
	And again, if the average person doesn't know this material exists, well, they certainly can't comprehend what the, you know, what the narrative spells out.
	And so, you know, I just, again, my default position with all these people is they're probably both ignorant, maybe and or corrupt.
	And the fact that a lot of these people are in positions that they're not willing to give up for whatever reason they're attached to them financially, their ego.
	I'll just give you two quick examples.
	Sorry to be long-winded, but I mean, I think it makes the point.
	I know two people that work for either government or defense industry.
	So I know a guy all his life.
	He worked mostly in facilities maintenance and so forth.
	He's very valued, talented individual, never, did not graduate college, but that didn't matter because he was quite skilled and smart at figuring out problems and so forth.
	Well, now he's working for a defense contractor.
	He was out of work for a while and he's glad to have what he has, but he makes over $60 an hour.
	And of course, that's much, much better than the kind of money that he used to make before.
	And it's far better than the average person makes.
	So the point being is, you know, he's pretty darn happy.
	He's not going anywhere.
	The other guy that I know personally, again, this is firsthand, he's a plumber.
	He's been a plumber off and on his entire life.
	Well, he recently got on with this contractor for the waterworks.
	There's some water works going on here in Northern California.
	It's government sponsored.
	And he's making $70 plus dollars an hour.
	So he's not going anywhere again.
	He's very, very happy.
	And this just points to a fundamental problem in our country, not just the inequity in the workplace, but the fact that people can be bought and they will show up and do what is required of them to keep that income stream.
	In other words, there's a turnover in people that are making $20 an hour and less.
	You can read about it, hear about it, and you can see it in the wanted ads.
	But there's very little turnover in people that are making triple and quadruple that because that's the kind of thing that they hold on to.
	So, again, this world is run on money and it's kind of sad in many ways.
	And it's, yeah, I'm not giving anybody any new info, but just my take on this.
	Yeah, that's all totally appropriate.
	I'm kind of keen to see what he says about Yahoo and Trump.
	So let us continue and we'll get Paul's further comments.
	But of course, it is.
	Of course, it is.
	I can't tell you how many times Colin Powell and I had that conversation.
	Now, he never said it publicly, and he never would for obvious reasons, particularly as Secretary of State.
	But we had that conversation, and I don't have any problems at all revealing that today, that he thought Israel had become a liability rather than an asset.
	Does Trump control Netanyahu or does Netanyahu control Trump?
	I think it's a little bit of both with this president.
	We haven't had a president like this really since, well, we haven't had one, not since 1948 and the creation of the state of Israel.
	We haven't had a president who would do everything, apparently, anyway, that the leader in Israel asked him to do.
	Now, I pointed out that George W. Bush, essentially in 2004, in the old office, told Arique Sharon, Ariel Sharone, then the prime minister of Israel, that the roadmap had failed, the Middle East process had failed, Oslo had failed, everything had failed.
	Remember now, Powell's getting ready to go to Ramallah and meet with Arafat for the last time when Bush is saying all this.
	And Sharon was shocked because what Bush told him was it's over to you.
	So from that moment to the present, we have essentially said our attack dog in the Levant, Israel, had carte blanche.
	It could do anything it wanted to do.
	And of course, now we're seeing it doing it to include, I'm becoming very convinced, setting up October the 7th, either by standing down the usual 100% vigilance on that border or by actually coordinating the attacks with Hamas, whom Netanyahu was paying off periodically in order to combat the PLOPA, because Hamas was on his side in being opposed to a two-state solution.
	The PAPLO, Mahmoud Abbas primarily, and that group were for a two-state solution.
	So Netanyahu was actually funding Hamas through Qatar.
	Wow.
	Best and worst snacks for your waistline.
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	Buyer, beware.
	You've got here's a very interesting clip from Tucker Carlson on the relationship between Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump.
	Chris, number 26.
	I mean, BB's running around.
	This is a fact.
	I'm not guessing about this because I talked to people he said it to, is running around the Middle East, his region and his own country and telling people, point blank, just stating it, I control the United States.
	I control Donald Trump.
	He's saying that.
	And again, I'm not guessing at all.
	That's a fact.
	And I dare them to say that's not true because it is true and they know it's true.
	So I'm an American.
	How do you think that makes me feel?
	Even if I didn't vote for Trump, which I did, I did vote.
	I campaigned for Trump.
	But even if I, even if it was Joe Biden, I'm an American.
	You can't treat, it's too humiliating.
	I can't handle that.
	And I shouldn't have to put up with that.
	This is a country of 9 million people.
	I'm not saying it's, I'm not even attacking the country.
	I'm attacking my leaders who are allowing my nation of 350 million people to be forced into doing things that are bad for me and my children because of some other country.
	Like that is a violation of the most basic arrangement we have with our leaders, which is represent us, please.
	At least most of the.
	Go ahead, Paul.
	So again, Tucker Carlson here is making a perfect point, but I don't even know if he really knows it.
	Okay.
	This notion that he's speaking of how he's offended as an American.
	Okay.
	And he basically said, you know, I challenge you to tell me it's not true because I know it is that B.B. Netanyahu is in control of Trump.
	Right.
	Well, when you think about this, it's quite astounding, but it never goes, you know, to the root, to the core of the issue.
	And it's not the fact that it's a political thing and that we're doing the political will of Netanyahu or the state of Israel and so on and so forth.
	That indeed, what it really is, when you get down to it, it's a fundamental clash between one group of people and pretty much everybody else, but especially white Western nations or so-called white Western Christian nations.
	And that's the thing that Tucker Carlson will never talk about.
	I don't know if he understands it, okay?
	But I've listened to more than one podcast where I think they have it exactly right when they say that we can best view history as a clash between Jews or Jewish power and Aryan civilization.
	And when, and I know that's a pretty big brush, but it's hard to deny when you look at it through the sort of discerning lens that both at this point that both you and I can put on.
	And if you recall our history, I was well known on your show for kind of dragging you kicking and screaming down this road.
	But I think in many ways, you know, you're to be credited for having your eyes fully opened on this topic.
	Well, Tucker does seem to be at least halfway there.
	I give him credit for that.
	The American people, it's like a gigantic ship.
	It's really difficult to change the course, and you cannot do it abroadly.
	I think Tucker is on the right path.
	So I give him credit for that and that he's not going all the way yet, as it were.
	I don't hold him responsible because honestly, Paul, he'd have trouble reaching his audience if he were to do that.
	I mean, it's one of these challenging situations where how you manage to get a crucial message everyone doesn't want to hear out to the public and convince them when they really aren't wanting to be convinced.
	Okay, go on the break, Paul.
	I'm delighted you're here.
	We'll be right back after this break.
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	Well, obviously,
	to fill a little bit of dead air, our host is on an extended coffee break.
	He's just nearby recharging his batteries.
	He'll return to his chair and the microphone momentarily.
	Jim, where are you?
	Hang on, everybody.
	I'm actually going to respond to Jim's comments he just made.
	He wants me to do that as soon as he's back.
	He's getting refreshments.
	I got to get on the air.
	Yeah.
	Well, welcome back.
	We have had some developments in the Charlie Kirk case where they now, they can't even find a bullet.
	And of course, that's because the whole thing was fabricated, but pick up on this.
	Missing blood and bullet.
	They've also got additional footage now.
	Everyone, I think, knows.
	Candace said the footage from the back, and she was puzzled not by what she saw, but by what she did not see.
	No blood.
	The original footage was puzzling because while we did see the blood on his shirt, there was no blood in the back inside the tent when blood should have been everywhere.
	When they haul him off to the SUV, there's no blood.
	His sneakers are gleaming white, not a speck.
	Turns out there's a trap door beneath.
	I think they put Charlie underneath and pulled out the mannequin, and then they dismantled the can.
	So here we got a report about the missing blood and bullet.
	So how is it possible?
	And a lot of people are going to have a hard time accepting this.
	I've considered that.
	But as time goes on, this narrative becomes so much more evident to me.
	And we're going to show evidence supporting our theory as far as what really happened that day that we saw Charlie Kirk get shot.
	So let's start out with one of the, I think this is one of the most damning pieces of evidence.
	And it is of the chair that one of the security guys throws off after Charlie falls.
	And it does go through a table.
	So we're going to play that right now.
	You know, you do ministry for a long time.
	God damn ads.
	I know.
	Okay, right here.
	Well, it does look like he falls under the tablecloth as well.
	That might also be relevant there, but yeah, right there.
	Okay.
	And it will show it again.
	So the chair glitches and falls through the table.
	Wow.
	I had not seen that before.
	Yeah, that I don't think it's our eyes.
	Yeah, and I don't think this is digital compression being done by the device automatically, nor do I think it's automatic AI enhancement.
	This looks like it's intentionally been altered, perhaps to hide whatever's going on behind it.
	Okay, and then do you want to play the next one of the absolutely.
	So then this is the front view.
	So this is the same thing seen from the front view.
	And we're going to see what I believe to be more realistic physics as far as the chair goes.
	And so he grabs the chair and he slides it to the side and then it bounces off of the tall table and falls down.
	And I will repeat this again later.
	But here also, when they pick him up off the ground, it looks like his t-shirt is relatively clean where we just saw the blood.
	Well, not just saw, but where the blood had been seen in other angles.
	So right there, the t-shirt looks quite clean.
	I don't know if that's a mic cord or whatever there.
	But then when you look at his right collar, you can see that the microphone almost still seems to be attached in one of the frames.
	Yeah, there.
	It almost looks like the microphone is still there.
	And the shirt is very clean.
	But in an earlier clip, we see the microphone disappear, and we'll show that one soon.
	Yes, so yeah, it looks like the microphone is still there, although in other clips, it looks like it flew off.
	And then, uh, I also did see what looked like white poster board behind the white thing in the front there.
	But yeah, here you can see it looks like maybe a cord, maybe that's a blood spurt.
	But then you also see what looks like the microphone is still in its original position, as well as a lack of blood on the shirt.
	And I think we've all been stained with a cut before, and we know how blood really soaks up or material really soaks up blood, right?
	Do you want to go into the chair, uh, like the comparison, like the side-by-side comparison of the chair falling through versus how it fell?
	I don't know if the audience will find it as relevant as I do, but I think it proves that the forward view.
	So, I think what we're going to see here is that this one is the one that was intentionally altered, perhaps to hide what was going on there behind the chair.
	And you can see how it rotates.
	So, he slides it and then it rotates towards the camera towards stage right before it falls off onto the bottom of its legs and then falls backwards onto its back.
	And I don't think that's what actually happened.
	I do believe that the chair did not rotate and it fell onto its left side, as we will see here.
	So, the chair bounces between the table and the platform before falling straight over to its left side.
	There is no rotation here seen to stage right.
	So, um, you know, to our left or to the stage's right.
	You don't see the chair actually rotate before falling.
	I believe this to be the actual physics, and I think this is more of an unaltered video than the other angle.
	So, I believe that this one is perhaps real, and the other one is obviously fake.
	Okay, and then do we want to show the table, the still of the table, and then sure, okay?
	So, here you can see the corner of the table looks like there might be like a tiny bit of red fluid.
	Like, who knows?
	It almost looks like someone might have been drinking wine without a coaster.
	There's very little blood there.
	And when you look down on the grass next to the chair, there is virtually zero blood at all.
	Yes, you can see a little bit more clearly here.
	There's almost no blood there at all.
	And to me, that is actually suspicious for the type of wound he received.
	Now, you do see some blood on this, looks like audio equipment case, but uh, it's very little compared to what you would expect.
	Um, I myself actually have bled out more than that in a car crash, and I have also cleaned up after a fatal gunshot wound.
	And uh, there was, I would say, 100 times more blood from the gunshot wound that I cleaned up than what we see there.
	And I will also say that you know, the blood that I lost in the car crash is still 10 times more than what we see there.
	Yeah, it's just unusual how for what we saw come out, very little is left.
	Okay, let me let me flip to another story that coming up with.
	I mean, this situation is so preposterous.
	There's now the exploding pager theory, Paul, that it was actually his microphone that blew up.
	You know, shades of we know.
	Do we really even need to spend time on such stuff as that?
	I just want people to know it's out there so they can brace themselves.
	Just listen to it for a second.
	We want to be very clear on this, guys.
	This is the biggest story, the biggest breakthrough in the Charlie Kirk investigation.
	Blake's red knots, Blake, B-L-A-K-E, B-E-D-N-A-R-Z.
	You guys need to follow this guy.
	He's broke two massive stories.
	So he just purchased some original content from some people at this event.
	And I want to show you, I want you to watch this video.
	It's now confirmed.
	This device that was on his chest was the explosive device.
	Look at that.
	You can see the round.
	You can see the compression.
	So remember when his necklace just blows off over his ear?
	And we're like, oh, yeah, it had to have been a side shot because it snaps the necklace and it blows off.
	And I was thinking, well, it hit the, it went through his neck and purged out the back of his neck and it snapped the necklace off, but it didn't make sense.
	How would you break the lath, the latch in the front?
	Because that thing went flying off backwards.
	You'd have to literally break the latch in the front, somewhere in here, for the necklace to go behind you.
	If the bullet went through your neck and it broke the back of it, your necklace would have just fallen down.
	It would have never, ever flown off that way.
	So I want you to watch this video and then I'm going to play the necklace one after this.
	Check this out.
	In America, over the last centuries.
	Bouncing or not counting gang violence.
	Great.
	In America, over the last centuries.
	Bouncing or not counting gang violence.
	In America, over the last decades.
	Bouncing or not counting gang violence.
	In America, over the last centuries.
	Bouncing or not counting gang violence.
	In America, over the last centuries.
	Yeah, you know, it's a squib.
	I mean, this is so bad, Paul.
	They're going to such desperate length because the situation is so absurd.
	They're talking about Charlie Kirk as a man of steel because a bullet that should have ripped right through.
	It's lunatic.
	It is so pathetic.
	Well, you know, I'm very fond of trying to get people to look at what I call just the fundamental, you know, premise or to have clarity.
	So it's all, it's the difference between assuming that the event was real and that Charlie Kirk was killed, and then going with all the convolutions and permutations it takes to make that absolutely real.
	And then the other one is assuming the event was not real and he's not really dead.
	And of course, you know, once you are on that side of the fence, which you know, pretty much you and I were at from the very beginning, I know that I was from the very start, then everything seems to make sense and fall into place.
	And everything else appears to be nonsense, where people are contriving all these various ways.
	Like the one that really makes me laugh, and you've probably seen this too, is this kind of flat wheel gun, you know, that the guy who's who more than likely is his job was to activate the squib remotely, right?
	Because they wouldn't give this job to Charlie Kirk.
	In other words, Charlie Kirk was not going to be assigned to set off the squib himself because they probably didn't want any of that sort of motion to be caught by cameras.
	So obviously the squib was set off by somebody else and it's obviously that guy in the brown shirt.
	But there's people trying to contort that motion of pulling a cord that he's doing, which easily looks to me like that's exactly that motion, to pulling a trigger, leave alone that he's not even in the proper position to have inflicted that wound that we see on Charlie Kirk.
	But people are still talking about that idea as if it's real.
	And it's just the amount of stupidity and confusion that something like this engenders, I really do think that the controllers of the event would just love.
	In other words, they feel like that's a victory.
	The minute they get us chasing all these ridiculous rabbit trails on the assumption that he was really killed is just beyond stupidity to me.
	Similar to talk I've heard, you may have heard it too, where people are saying, well, yes, it looks like it was a staged event, but he was probably really killed.
	It's like, what drugs do you need to take?
	Yeah.
	Well, Paul, I got one more story I want to share with you.
	As you're well aware, I've had to file lawsuits against Ms. Hubert and Rumble for violating their own terms of service by allowing this maniac, Victor Hugo Vaca, to run wild.
	If you go and check out, if you go to check out what Victor's been doing, he's got not just over 700 videos, like he's got 876 videos attacking me.
	And now you notice he's got a new target right here, a woman who calls herself Hope Girl.
	He's, how many have we got here?
	One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, all up, I think, in the last day.
	And why?
	Because Hope Girl is actually exposing what's going on here.
	She's picked up on my lawsuit.
	She's picked up on my lawsuit, and she is doing what she can to share it with the public, what she's found.
	However, these people said stupid stuff online.
	A little bit about her.
	I think about 20 minutes in, she starts talking.
	And I will give you a strong hypothesis on how these criminals are getting paid.
	I will be using real-life examples and real names.
	I will also show you the latest laws that have been passed and recently enforced so that you can determine why it is that these laws apply to some, but not to others.
	First, let's go over some of the evidence.
	So this is the lawsuit that James Fetzer has filed against Rumble and BitChute.
	Last month, James Fetzer sued Rumble and BitChute for not only allowing, but actually promoting in their algorithms some of the most disgusting, hateful defamation videos that were created by Victor Hugo Vaca.
	If James wins this lawsuit, which very well might happen, he would be awarded up to $60 million in damages paid to him from Rumble and BitChute.
	And that's a lot of money that could actually really harm Rumble and BitChute.
	So this got my attention.
	Let's talk about what the crime is that has been committed here.
	Victor Hugo is running a malicious content dissemination campaign against a targeted group of individuals.
	Malicious content dissemination is the strategic process of distributing defamation, harassment, and lies to a broad or targeted audience using various platforms and methods.
	These videos depict violent and sometimes pornographic images, and the intent of the campaign is to cause psychological harm to Fetzer and his colleagues and to target Fetzer's ability to earn a living for himself.
	And also, given Fetzer's age and health condition, the intent of this campaign could be to cause physical harm to Fetzer as well.
	Now, before we go through these case files, let's take a brief look at some of Victor Hugo's content.
	All right, here is Victor Hugo's BitShoot channel.
	We'll take a quick look at his thumbnails.
	We have lots of pictures of James Fetzer.
	Very wild, crazy thumbnails.
	He's definitely got Charlie Kirk being assassinated.
	He's got knives going into and bloodying the face of Stew Peters.
	He calls Jesus a crackhead.
	He's got mocking Jim Fetzer for having a heart attack.
	A lot of this stuff is sexual innuendos, catfish.
	And this is just today's videos.
	He puts a lot of videos up.
	This is him stabbing Jim Fetzer in the face with the knife.
	Actually, let's take a look at one of these videos.
	And here's Jesus giving people the middle finger.
	Here's Victor Hugo saying, F you Christians.
	He's very against Christians.
	He's trolling SGT report.
	Now he's got Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk, Jewish Israeli stuff going on there.
	SGT report all over the place.
	Charlie Kirk assassination.
	Fat women.
	You know, naked people wrapped in saran wrap.
	So just look with your eyes at these hideous thumbnails.
	And obviously, this is part of his thing.
	This is how he trolls and harasses by doing hideous thumbnails.
	The list goes on and on.
	And in a lot of them, he uses nudity.
	He uses penises and dildos and all kinds of things.
	You know, he puts the head of a person on somebody else's body.
	Right?
	Sometimes it's a mostly naked body.
	There's Christopher Key on his show.
	Here's him calling Jesus a crackhead again.
	Okay, you kind of get the picture.
	I'm going to play one of these videos.
	It's a short one so that we can see what the content is like on some of them.
	Okay, here is, this is James Fetzer.
	This is a picture of James Fetzer's face.
	This is the video that Victor Hugo made of James Fetzer.
	And this is the video.
	That is a bloody knife stabbing James Fetzer in the face.
	Wow, I've not seen that.
	If you were James Fetzer, how would you feel if you saw that video?
	That's very disturbing, folks.
	This is Victor Hugo's Rumble channel.
	Of course, he's got SGT report in a picture with the moment Charlie Kirk was assassinated, which is very disturbing.
	And that's featured on his channel.
	And of course, he's got attacks.
	I mean, there's Brian Davidson, for example, he's gone after from the beginning.
	Paul, this is so grotesque.
	You know, the very idea, the very idea of Bit Shoot and Rumble are not only allowing it, but they're actually enhancing it.
	They've even altered their algorithm.
	So if you search for me, Jim Fetzer, you don't get me.
	You get Victor Hugo on me.
	It's that bad.
	Your thoughts.
	Right.
	Well, you know, like I just commented on air that one I had not seen.
	That's a new line.
	You know, he's what he's done in most cases is just cross lines that most of us would never cross.
	So in other words, you know, there's a way that you act in real life in public to people, and mostly it's with some sort of courtesy and respect and politeness.
	And then there's a way that you can act online.
	And I think we've all been, you know, guilty, if you will, of having a sort of a persona online and especially in a comment section versus what you would do in real life.
	But the videos that he's made from the beginning have been so far beyond insulting and degrading and, of course, salacious and misleading would be the minimal way you could put it.
	Probably outright lies on many of them.
	Just, yeah, beyond the pale, as the saying goes.
	So, of course, you were justified in bringing this action against Bit Shoot and Rumble.
	And hopefully, you will at least get, you know, sanctions of some sort.
	You know, I'm sure sooner or later they're going to agree to stop this content, if not, also maybe possibly compensate you.
	That's what I would think if we have a properly functioning justice system.
	But do we?
	That's the question.
	Nah, clearly we don't.
	And he's just going after Hope Girl, attacking her one time after another.
	Though I had a phone call during the break from a friend who just is very impressed with what Hope Girl did, that she was rather thorough.
	She actually went here to Victor's side.
	If you go to Victor Hugo Comet Jim Fetzer, then you get that 879, whatever, just about me.
	Here, you get a little broader because he's also attacking other individuals, such as Charlie, this fellow who is a comedian, Charlie Carter, who turned on Victor after discovering that Victor was a scumbag.
	And that so Victor goes after him.
	He's gone after Mike Adams, SGT report, X22 report, Stew Peters.
	Anyone who's ever featured me or interviewed me, it becomes a target.
	Any of my colleagues who speak up on my behalf, like Russ or Susan or Joachim or Brian or Carl, they all become targets.
	Paul, it's really truly disgusting.
	And by now, it's as though he's targeting like half of the alt-truth movement here.
	It's really monstrous.
	Whereas this reputation of being a reputation-wrecking ball.
	He's also, I was informed by my Sandy Hook friends, known as the angel of death for his, you know, ability to do this kind of smear job where he's, he'll typically take something little insignificant and blow it way out of proportion.
	He's an expert at the straw man.
	Of course, everything he does is ad hominem.
	He exaggerates grossly, just lies through his teeth.
	It's outrageous, really, truly.
	It's repulsive in the extreme.
	Your thoughts.
	Right.
	And I think that it's accurate on your part to call out the effect on the algorithms.
	And it's one of those what I would call tight pools that most people wouldn't know about.
	In other words, I think that the effectiveness of the campaign would not be so much against any individuals out there who would want to make themselves familiar with your content and the work that you've done.
	I think that's going to be a very minimum, if not a minuscule, effect.
	A major effect is the routing of people, as you pointed out, to his content as opposed to your content.
	That, in my opinion, is the most offensive of the effects.
	So, yeah, I'm in full agreement with just about everything that you've said so far.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm really pleased to have you here today, my friend.
	And this thing with BitChute and with Hope Girl, I want to encourage people to go watch the same types of videos.
	I put it up on my Twitter account.
	She's there.
	She's very sincere.
	She's, I think, very fair and even-handed in going about all of this.
	So I'm very happy with what she did.
	We've had lesser success hoping to draw other venues into taking up this issue and making the public aware of what's going on because it's so serious.
	Oh, thank you, my friend.
	Thank you very, very much for being here today.
	Well, we'll be right back.
	Stand by right after this break.
	We'll be right back.
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	Well, it's a pleasure to have as my feature guest today, Sophia Smallstorm.
	Once again, Sophia, look at the latest Victor's up to 876 videos.
	If you just look at Victor Hugo, Jim Fetzer attacking me.
	And I do not know if you're aware or not, but a woman named Hope Girl, who's, I think, often featured on SGT report, has done a study.
	It's two hours altogether going into the lawsuit I brought against BitChute and Rumble.
	She does a very workmanlike job about it, explain what's going on, and eventually gives illustrations of how Victor has also abused Christopher Lee, Whitney Webb and Sarah Westall, have you had a chance?
	Were you even aware of Hope having done this, Sophia?
	No, I was not aware of it.
	Well, it's pretty good.
	I'd love to get your impression or interpretation when the occasion, the time is right.
	Give us your thoughts, Sylvia, about the latest research you've been doing, if you would be so kind.
	Well, Jim, I wanted to enlighten people a little bit about things I had covered earlier.
	First of all, I'm reading a book on Jackie written by this Donald Spoto, and he was a gay theologian.
	I mean, that's kind of a, it's a usual suspects mix these days, but he has done a very kind job on Jackie.
	I'm sort of surprised.
	He makes her look like a, you know, an absolute saint.
	And all the other books I've read make her seem very shallow, particularly after JFK's death, always on a shopping spree, cleaning out an entire store, charging it to Onassis.
	So I'm kind of surprised.
	I'm happy to read this.
	I'm happy to see a milder, more thoughtful, very highly intellectual woman who brought all kinds of amazing book projects to the world when she worked particularly for Doubleday.
	You were aware she was an editor, right?
	Yes, yes, I was.
	She got that job.
	I think she was probably appropriate and qualified for the position.
	I am astonished at this new book at kind of giving her a high gloss, not to say whitewash, but it's pretty obvious that it's not authentic in respect to her true character or actions following the death of JFK.
	Well, again, you know, she was actually quite brilliant, very witty.
	She arrived at in the editing world quite nervous.
	She had no idea what she was going to be thought of because she had been this, you know, the most famous woman in the world for so long and all the tabloids and paparazzi after her.
	But she was very demure and she asked the CEO, the chief editor of Viking, where she started.
	It was Nancy Tuckerman, who was a school friend from Miss Porter's when she was in high school there, who was then later her personal assistant after Letitia Baldridge started when she was first lady to assist Jackie.
	And then Nancy Tuckerman followed.
	And Nancy Tuckerman was working at Viking and she suggested, I believe I have this right, that Jackie get a job as an editor.
	And apparently throughout her life, she had made these little storybooks, scrapbooks.
	She had written poems.
	She was a very deep thinker and writer.
	I knew all this, but it was kind of the flip side of the cruel Jackie who fired maids.
	And you never hear about this at all from Donald Spoto.
	But she was very interested in artistic and historical book projects.
	And she was a fine editor, it turned out.
	And when she started, she asked the chief, the head of Viking, what is the lowest position that anyone can have?
	And he said, associate editor.
	I think assistant editor would have been a bit lower.
	So she said, okay, I'll be that.
	And that was her title, I think, throughout her life.
	And she got paid a pittance, $10,000 a year.
	A cab driver picked her up outside her apartment on Fifth Avenue, and he recognized her.
	And when he let her out, it was either Viking or Double Day, he said to her, You mean you work and you don't have to?
	And she said, That's right.
	And that's what some of us do, right, Jim?
	Right?
	Is that all you have to say?
	So, anyway, I'm glad to be rehabbing Jackie a little bit in my mind.
	I still think that the real person is a blend of what we've been talking about.
	No, she could have had limo service.
	So you're making, you know, implying a lot of decent points.
	I mean, traveling with an ordinary cabby, I mean, New York City.
	I mean, that's a pedestrian thing to do, but she wasn't above it.
	She did it.
	And I like the idea.
	She didn't insist on a high rank as an editor, associate editor.
	You know, you got three principal ranks in colleges, assistant professor, associate, Paul.
	She wasn't being demanding.
	She wasn't supposed to be a full editor.
	I think that's all very becoming of her, Sophia.
	Those are positive attributes.
	Yes, and he also points out, which is clear if you just look at the calendar of time, she spent almost 20 years as an editor, which was almost one-third of her life, if you count her childhood, because she died at 64.
	And yet nobody talks about Jackie Kennedy, the editor.
	They poo-poo it, they poo-poo her talent.
	She was a very, very deep thinking, very sympathetic and supportive editor.
	And all of her writers said that.
	So I'm very happy to be reading this side of her.
	And in a way, it's maybe it's good that it's the last book.
	Actually, I found another book.
	I don't know where I get these books, but I was going through my bookshelves.
	I've been buying so many books, Jim, that I have to get rid of books.
	There's just, I can't put more bookshelves in my house.
	I would have to have a shed or something.
	So anyway, I want to switch over to, I don't know how far we'll get, but we can always pick up in another show this Epstein story, right?
	Yes.
	Now, I'll start with the William Holden movie, Network.
	Did you ever see that?
	Yeah, I did.
	Sure, I did, yes.
	And do you remember how the Howard Beale character, he's kind of I know.
	He says, I have to read you this because this is from the film.
	I copied it all down and it's so pertinent today.
	And that movie was made in 1976.
	So for people who don't know, it's a movie about a TV station.
	And it stars William Holden, Peter Finch, and Faye Dunaway.
	Faye Dunaway is this feminist, you know, like kind of a striding around, bossy female news programmer.
	So anyway, so Beal gets on the air one day and he's completely nuts.
	He just tells people he's going to commit suicide on next Tuesday's newscast.
	And then he's made to apologize.
	And instead of doing so, he just sits in front of the camera and tells the viewers that life is bullshit.
	And the network is floored.
	And they think, well, is he mentally ill?
	What is his problem?
	So then he goes missing.
	And they keep him on the air because their ratings are just going nuts.
	And he's supposed to be on the air one day and he's not there.
	And it's a rainy, stormy day.
	And at the last minute, he shuffles in.
	He's soaking wet from the rain.
	He sits down at his console, and this is what he says: I don't have to tell you things are bad.
	Everybody knows things are bad.
	Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job.
	The dollar buys a nickel's worth.
	Banks are going bust.
	Shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter.
	Punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere that seems to know what to do.
	And there's no end to it.
	We know the air is unfit to breathe, and our food is unfit to eat.
	We sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had 15 homicides and 63 violent crimes as if that's the way it's supposed to be.
	We know things are bad, worse than bad.
	They're crazy.
	It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore.
	We sit in the house and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller.
	And all we say is, please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms.
	Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials, and I won't say anything.
	Just leave us alone.
	And you know, 50 years later, that's how it is still, right?
	Yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And so then he says, I got to read this.
	Well, I'm not going to leave you alone.
	He's now enraged and he's wagging his finger at the camera.
	I want you to get mad.
	I don't want you to protest.
	I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write.
	I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street.
	All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.
	You've got to say, I'm a human being, god damn it.
	My life has value.
	Yes.
	Could you read more?
	And then he stands up and he spreads his arms and he says, So I want you to get up now.
	I want all of you to get up out of your chairs.
	I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.
	I want you to get up right now, get up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.
	Love it.
	I know.
	I know.
	And then people start doing it all over the country who are watching the show.
	And they're all, it's thundering and storming out, and everybody is got at their windows on fire escapes, screaming, I'm mad as hell.
	And the lightning is flashing and the thunder is pounding.
	So what are we, Jim, 50 years later?
	Are we not mad as hell?
	Yeah, sure, we are.
	And we feel helpless to do anything about it.
	That's the hard part, Sylvia.
	Practically nobody has any idea what to do.
	They don't know which end is up, which story is true, which parties are corrupt, who are the liars, who are the truth tellers.
	It's a morass out there.
	We're trying to help sort it out, but there it is.
	That's what the average public faces today.
	And I don't think the public has stopped facing this since Howard Beale in this movie did what Faye Dunaway in her role of station programmer.
	She says in the film, he's articulating the public rage.
	Yes.
	So I wrote.
	Hey, Sophia, for a whole lot of really good reasons.
	Yeah.
	Well, I wrote, we may be an ogling, gaping bunch of chattering monkeys, but we're definitely madder now.
	I'd like to know if we only have bananas to throw or if our collective outrage is going to finally amount to something.
	So, how many minutes are we?
	15.
	All right, I'm going to try getting into the guts of what I was looking through and reading about.
	So let's start with Victoria's Secret, Jim.
	Have you ever been to one of the stores?
	Don't tell us.
	I don't recall if I ever have.
	You know, in the film Enemy of the State, which is one of my favorites, Will Smith is in a Victoria's Secret.
	And I mean, it's as though you were there.
	I mean, Gene Hackman, that's a pure genius film about American governments spying on the American people.
	I recommend everyone should watch it because it's just a tipping point.
	It's a tip of the iceberg as to what we're actually up against today.
	And with Palantir coming on, it's only going to be worse.
	You got to watch that film if you've never seen it.
	Do yourself a favor, enemy of the state.
	Continue.
	All right.
	Well, probably in that film, the Victoria's Secret scene is very, very minor.
	But Victoria's Secret is apparently not a minor phenomenon in our political history.
	Let me just put it that way.
	Now, this is a very windy road that I'm going to stream together and I may not finish on this show, but we will pick it up, all right, later.
	So there's this man, Roy Raymond.
	He's born in 1947 in Connecticut.
	He graduates with an MBA from Stanford in 1971.
	And he began his first business at age 13, producing wedding invitations.
	So at 30, this is the mid-1970s, he was in a department store in the lingerie department trying to buy his wife something nice.
	And the saleswomen were glaring at him as though he were a pervert and a creep.
	And he thought, this isn't right.
	Why should a man feel like a creep as he picks out something slinky for his wife or girlfriend?
	So he came up with Victoria's Secret, the store, and he created it in a Palo Alto shopping mall.
	And he offered nice underwear.
	He changed the American women's underpants look from humdrum cotton to silky and sensual.
	He was the one, okay?
	And unfortunately, he didn't think this through.
	And he created his store for male shoppers, ignoring women.
	So his style, the interior at that time in the 70s and 80s, when this Roy Raymond owned Victoria's Secret, was what is called brothel Victorian, dark wood, red velvet sofas, a place where women didn't feel comfortable, although the inventory was for them and very nice.
	So basically his store and his mail order catalog were tailored for men.
	Then one day, a man called Leslie Herbert Wexner.
	Do you recognize this name?
	Sure, of course.
	Wexner become the possessor of his mansion in New York City, the largest in all of New York.
	Yes, he appears to have had a major role in all this child trafficking and sex underage girls a whole bit.
	So I take it you're telling me Wexner realized he could turn Victoria's Secret into a mammoth by altering its marketing strategy and not just for men, but for women to have sexy underwear, negliges, and all this sort of thing.
	And it became a sensation.
	That's right.
	He was called the Merlin of the Mall.
	And he was, you have to give these people credit for their vision.
	He was already the titan of a hundred-plus store chain called The Limited.
	And in 1982, he coughed up a million dollars and took this miscast, financially wobbly Victoria's Secret out of Roy Raymond's hands.
	And he brought in cheaper merchandise, a lot of two-for-one deals that looked like luxury items, but they were cheap.
	And he added makeup, perfume, pajamas, swimsuits, sandals, and a clothing line.
	And he had this catalog that really was featuring these very long, leggy, sultry models.
	And I read another article many years ago that said that every endlessee in the United States Navy received a Victoria's Secret catalog.
	Yeah, how do you like that?
	Brilliant marketing.
	Brilliant.
	I know.
	And I was getting them and people I knew were getting one or two a week, a week.
	So anyway.
	Yeah, because he was doing a huge amount of mail-order business.
	I mean, I think that was primarily, that was it.
	Mailer was really, he was a genius at marketing, Sophia, a genius.
	But yes, but he also changed the quality.
	And he started bringing in these leggy models that he called angels.
	And these women became the first supermodels.
	And they were featured in the Victoria's Secret fashion show, you know, wearing jeweled, feathery wings and all this, just completely garbed up to the point that they don't look like angels.
	They looked satanic, okay?
	So you have to remember that underneath Wexner was this other kind of terrain.
	And I said the word Satanism, satanic, so let's just keep that in our minds.
	So after that, he brought out this line of sweatpants and underwear called pink.
	Do you remember that?
	Still, we still have it.
	Now Auto Nation is going pink, right?
	Drive pink.
	Do you know about the pink blind?
	Do you remember seeing high school girls with sweatpants with P-I-N-K on their butt?
	Sort of only vaguely.
	I don't know why.
	What years was this?
	What my situation would have been.
	I don't remember the pink as much.
	I remember Victoria's Secret.
	I even remember, seemed to me, when did it first begin?
	Because I seem to remember looking at their catalog and find them about as intriguing as Playboy magazine, which was making a big splash.
	Roughly this.
	So that was the first redo of Victoria's Secret.
	But then he brought out the sweatpants and sweatshirts with pink in those collegiate style letters.
	And honestly, when you put pink on your butt like that and walk around, the whole point of it was to reflect and suggest very subliminally animal estrus.
	Do I have to explain this?
	Animal estrus, you mean being in heat?
	Yes.
	Because that's what doe, a deer, a female deer does.
	When she is in heat, she raises her tail and you see pink, right?
	So unfortunately, it went right over the head of all Americans.
	And Pink Nation was born in the wake of these feathered angels that were anything but angelic.
	No, no, it's just seductive way marketing sex.
	I mean, very successfully.
	I mean, this is one of the two or three greatest marketing campaigns in history, I would say.
	Yes, and actually, my roommate at the time, my housemate, had gone to school with Stephanie Seymour.
	And Stephanie Seymour was the most sultry-looking Victoria's Secret model.
	She was on all the catalog covers.
	She had dark hair.
	And he kept, you know, raving about her, saying, oh, Stephanie, I went to high school with her.
	And we both thought she must be very rich and successful because she was on the cover of Victoria's Secret.
	Okay, so I'm going to go to this mansion that you spoke of because Maria Farmer, who is an Epstein employee for a few years, had said in her interview with Whitney Webb that Les Wexner is the head of the snake.
	So let's remember that.
	All right.
	So Maria Farmer was an art student and she was at this Eileen Guggenheim Art Academy.
	This is not a real Guggenheim.
	This is a person who's not related to the Guggenheims of the famous Guggenheim Museum on 89th Street in New York.
	But anyway, so she was spotted.
	Jeffrey Epstein wanted to buy a painting of hers that was being shown at this Guggenheim Art Academy.
	And I've seen this painting.
	It was in a video.
	I wish I had taken a screen capture of it, but it's a beautifully done, very soft sensual painting of a girl lying on a couch.
	And in the foreground of the painting is a doorway.
	And in the doorway is standing a young man whom you see only from the back.
	And he is looking longingly at this girl, who I believe is clothed, lying on the couch in the room.
	And guess who wanted to buy this painting?
	Jeffrey Epstein.
	So not only did he buy the painting, but he hired her to be the curator of art at his new mansion, which was the finest in New York.
	It was designed by architect Horace Trumbauer in 1930.
	It was 40 rooms, but only 50 feet wide.
	Okay, so it's, I think, 9 East 71st Street.
	Anyway, it was a masterpiece of the building, but not finished because the owner died before moving in, the one who had commissioned its being built.
	And his sons gifted it to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese.
	And it was used as an annex for soldiers injured in the war.
	This would be World War II.
	So in 1962, it became a school.
	And then in 1989, the tycoon Les Wexner spent $13 million on the place and he renovated it.
	And that was the most expensive townhouse sale in Manhattan.
	So then Les Wexner turned this place over to Jeffrey Epstein for a dollar.
	I think a dollar sale price is what one has to do in commerce and contracts.
	You can't just give somebody something.
	You give it to them for a dollar, right?
	So.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Lots of situations where just a dollar makes a difference and you're the higher, like with lawyer or clients, better call Saul.
	Breaking bad, we get all those kinds of transactions.
	Sophia, I'm delighted to have you here.
	Stand by.
	We got a break.
	We'll be right back with Sophia Smallstorm, Les Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein, and what was to come.
	We'll be right back after this lesson.
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	Sophia, please continue.
	Okay, now I apologize if this is too rambling, but it will all come together.
	Okay.
	So poor Maria, when Jeffrey Epstein, you know, was in his mansion pointing to all of the very lavish decorations, many of which were very bizarre.
	Like there was a doll hanging off the chandelier in the hallway, a lot of weird artwork, not as gross as John Podesta, if you remember some of that, but clothes.
	And he's gesturing and you go, see this, Maria, gesturing at this house?
	I got it for a dollar.
	And here's poor Maria paying $500 a month, which is a bargain for her Manhattan sublet.
	And she's supposed to sit in the foyer of this place of Jeffrey's, and she sees all these young girls trooping past her going upstairs.
	And she's not sure what they're coming in for, but she knows that Ghilaine Maxwell, who's a you know, BFF, best friend forever of Jeffrey Epstein, is cruising Manhattan with Ivana Trump, Trump's ex-wife, right, in the car with a chauffeur.
	And Ghilaine gets out, and the reason Maria knows this is because she was invited to do this to sit in the back seat.
	And she went out with them and she would see Ghilaine spot someone and tell the driver to slow down.
	And she'd run out.
	They frequented the neighborhoods where there were Tony Manhattan prep schools.
	And Ghilane would jump out with a business card and she would gush at this child who had braces, no breasts, 11, 12 years old, and would say, you know, we are scouting for models for Victoria's Secret and you would be wonderful.
	We can train you to be a model.
	And these little girls just fell for it.
	And they would come to the mansion.
	And Maria said there were five to ten of them a day.
	And she didn't put it together.
	She didn't put it together.
	She was then exported at Ghilane and Epstein's command, more or less, to Les Wexner's house in Ohio.
	And she was told, you're going to curate art there.
	So she was sent there for three months.
	And that place was enormous.
	330 acres, Jim.
	330 acres.
	She was only allowed outside four or five times.
	And I would say to people to listen to her interview with Whitney Webb, it's three hours.
	It's not really a proper interview.
	It's more of a phone conversation, but Whitney put it up online.
	It's on my blog.
	If you just type into the search bar, SophiaSmallStorm.com is my blog.
	Type in the search bar, Whitney Webb, Maria Farmer.
	So, anyway, she's there for three months.
	She's not allowed outside.
	She's in the guest house, not the mansion.
	The guest house is 26,000 square feet.
	And she's jogging inside the guest house for exercise.
	And the main house was connected to the guest house by a tunnel.
	And the guest house had a floor that would rise up when someone came through the tunnel, and thus they could enter the guest house without being seen.
	So, oddly, there were maids in this guest house who told her that they had been stolen from their countries, the Philippines and Thailand.
	And they also said they had never even seen Les Wexner, never laid eyes on him, and they had been working there for over a decade, 20 years, one of them said.
	So Maria called Les Wexner the Wizard of Oz, not surprisingly.
	And she said, she never met him.
	She said she was there for three months, never once saw him, but it was clear that he was controlling everything.
	And always real estate deals, pinhole cameras.
	She said that there was a, it was three miles, apparently.
	I didn't do the math with the 330 acres, but three miles to the front gate, and there were sharpshooters everywhere.
	And the front gate was guarded by off-duty sheriffs' deputies whom were right in the hands controlled by Les Wexner.
	So he had the whole town sewn up.
	Which community was this, Sophia?
	This was in Ohio?
	Yes, and I'll tell you exactly where.
	Why is it escaping my brain?
	Columbus.
	Because that's where Victoria's Secret is headquartered as well, corporate headquarters, Columbus.
	Siddharthe had so much control over law enforcement for the whole county.
	Yes.
	Actually, Maria said that all human trafficking, now I can't explain this, but she said to Whitney Webb, all human trafficking is centered in Columbus, Ohio.
	And she said, I'm going to quote her in that Whitney Webb conversation.
	As soon as you cross into Ohio from Kentucky, the first building you see is the Abigail Wexner Center for Women.
	Adigil was Wexner's wife.
	Their buildings dot the whole state.
	No matter where you are, you see Wexner this, Wexner that.
	But then when you go into bathrooms anywhere in Columbus, particularly in Ohio, but especially as you get closer to Columbus, there are human trafficking signs everywhere, everywhere, Maria said.
	When you go to the bathroom in Columbus, on the door, it says, do not speak to anyone, do not walk with anyone, go back to your car.
	She said, these are instructions on how not to be trafficked.
	Wow.
	I know.
	And she says, I mean, she has a very scattershot, you know, jumping from topic to topic.
	She's trying to tell Whitney everything that she knows.
	And of course, that's not possible even in three hours.
	But she says that anyone who is being trafficked in America is taken through Columbus, Ohio.
	And get this.
	So I will read from my newsletter.
	Wexner, confirmed to be gay by his chef and maids, invited students from the university.
	I guess this is a university near Columbus, Ohio, maybe it's Ohio University or University of Ohio, to use his 10,000 square foot dance floor, but only boys.
	Elaine told Maria that she and Epstein were working with Israeli charities for students.
	Maria said that when she finally figured out Epstein was running a criminal operation, she quit working for him.
	But Epstein would then stalk her around the subway in Manhattan.
	Sophia, do you suspect Kurbi Wexner actually had contempt for women?
	I mean, that he really only saw them to be used and abused.
	Is that possible?
	I mean, he had this whole business.
	The Limited was a women's clothing chain as well.
	And he had the Victoria's Secret.
	So he obviously commercialized women in every imaginable way, right?
	His deeper attitude or sentiment toward women.
	I mean, I'm not, I'm no expert in this area.
	I'm just speculating.
	I just wonder, you know, being gay, blah, blah, blah.
	Maybe not.
	Maybe he actually appreciated women.
	Maybe he think women are beautiful, wonderful, and he wanted to promote their interests, except he wasn't.
	He was exploiting them and using them for all sorts of nefarious purposes.
	I'm just wondering if there isn't an underlying level of contempt there.
	I don't know because I've never really looked into Les Wexner.
	I don't know him.
	I mean, how can we really say what runs a person deep down?
	I want to be given your diligence in research.
	You're going to encounter stuff about him that'll put the pieces together.
	So that's just a conjecture of worthy of.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I found this word satiriast and satiriasis.
	This is a technical term for sexual addiction, right?
	Yeah.
	Male.
	Male.
	I think sometimes characterized by a permanent erection.
	I mean, I think it's that sort of thing.
	It is symbolized.
	Yeah.
	So Trump, Epstein, Wexner, they were, they created worlds and environments that would entrap their the subjects of their desire.
	And for Trump and Epstein, it was models.
	Trump had his modeling agencies, his miss universe contests, you know, and Epstein had his, I guess, you know, he was part of the whole Wexman thing with his Victoria Secret hunting.
	And terrified everything coming out about the Epstein files.
	He is, God, he is terrified of the very idea, Sophia.
	He's gone so far out of his way to try to minimize, suppress, depress interests.
	He's not going to get away with it.
	The public is hooked on this.
	This is not going to go away.
	It's like the Charlie Cook shooting.
	This ain't going away.
	It's got too many dimensions.
	And the public is already hooked too deeply.
	But it's when he desperately claims he didn't even write a birthday card for Jeffrey that's been in this bound volume for all these years.
	It's clearly got his signature.
	And he wants it to die.
	It's even his signature.
	That is pathetic.
	Pathetic, Sophia.
	It's just embarrassing, this guy.
	I mean, go up, go for it.
	Yes.
	And again, you know, when you listen to Ghelane Maxwell's also, it's ridiculously weak and disgusting.
	So that's proffer statement, right?
	Right.
	She was so obviously paid off by this minimum security, this camp Fed and taxes.
	You know, what we I have only heard one video audio on online mention the introduction that Todd Blanche gave her.
	And by the way, the author Michael Wolfe, who's a biographer, he's written some books on Trump, not favorable, but he says that Blanche continues to be Trump's personal attorney while he's deputy.
	What?
	Number two at the DOJ.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So this was the opening words from Mr. Blanche to Ghelane Maxwell.
	And I'm going to quote: This isn't a cooperation agreement.
	We are just talking.
	And I'll just say again, it's an audio-recorded proffer agreement.
	Proffer means I have something to offer.
	So she conveyed to them that she had something to offer, and they came to listen to what it was.
	So he says, We are just talking.
	The government cannot use what you say today against you with some exceptions.
	Whatever you talk about today, you have what's called immunity.
	The words that you say today, we cannot use against you in a case in chief.
	So that would be the main part of a trial presenting evidence to support claims.
	If we were ever to bring one, a case in chief, the most meaningful exception to that is that if you say anything today that's not true, that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution against you for what's called false statements.
	And I have to say, there were many false statements made in those hours that he talked to her.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She never saw Donald Trump do anything inappropriate in any context.
	How absurd.
	How absurd is that, Sophia?
	Well, I'm not even, I can't correct what she said she saw or didn't see because I wasn't there, but she did say that she maintained almost no contact with Jeffrey Epstein after a certain time frame.
	And somebody else came up with 18,000 emails of Jeffrey Epstein's, many of which were to Ghillain, asking her for guidance, advice, discussing after he was, you know, first indicted, et cetera, et cetera.
	So there was a lot of content.
	But it was only 18,000.
	Well, not just to her, the 18,000, but 18,000 emails that they fielded.
	Yes.
	And you listen to Katie Johnson, who at 13 said that Donald liked her in the wig because it reminded him of his daughter, who is also 13.
	And there's someone there directing her what she can and cannot do with Mr. Trump's penis.
	And I tell you, it's mind-boggling what they're trying to conceal here, in my judgment.
	Mind-boggling.
	Because that's almost certainly Ghillene.
	Ghillaine is telling her what to do and what not to do with Trump private parts.
	Well, the last little bit of what Blanche said was: I'm a federal officer and I have several federal officers here.
	The FBI is here.
	And if you lie to someone like me or Special Agent Horn, it's a crime.
	So you have to be truthful.
	So again, you know what's interesting?
	I listened carefully.
	I read the whole thing and printed it out.
	Kind of a waste of paper, I would say.
	But she said crazy things, Jim.
	She said that Blanche was the wormiest, falling all over himself, all over himself, apologizing to her.
	No, I didn't mean, I don't mean to put words in your mouth.
	And she's falling all over herself, and there's all of this incomplete sentences.
	It's so annoying.
	But because they're trying to do everything to exonerate or exculpate Trump from any offense whatsoever, and sometimes it's nearly impossible.
	So they have these verbal gaps.
	I don't find it surprising at all.
	Well, it's not surprising, but it's not straightforward, let's just say.
	It's revealed that right in the text, yes.
	So Blanche, falling all over himself, eventually gets out the question, what does Epstein have such an interest?
	Why does Epstein have such an interest in young girls?
	And Ghilaine responds that he liked to be around young people because they were invigorating and they were up to date on music and sharing ideas with him.
	Give me a break.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, he has to have 10 girls a day sharing ideas about music.
	But okay, so that's actually making light of this.
	But one of the heavy things she says is, I don't remember ever seeing anybody that I would characterize as a child coming to give him a massage.
	She says that the young women who were always around Epstein looked mature and they were topless at his request while they worked on him, but none of them were uncomfortable about this.
	And the sheer number of topless women giving massages was just his lifestyle.
	And neither she nor anyone in Epstein's life or household questioned it.
	Now, here's the deal: these kids are 13.
	And in New York, he paid $300 per person.
	In Florida, he paid $200.
	Okay.
	But Blanche never says to her, what do you characterize as a child?
	You know, the definition of child is never created in the context of this interview.
	Yeah, maybe she meant it, someone eight years or younger, for example.
	There weren't any eight year or younger, so there were no children, Sophia.
	Yes.
	She says, I can categorically tell you that I have never in my life gone to school to pick up a child.
	And this refers to all those times that she jumped out of the limousine with her Victoria's secret business card.
	Prepubescent, post-pubescent.
	I don't know.
	Were they going for any pre-pubescent?
	I think they were all actually mature enough to be menstruating, don't you believe?
	I can't say.
	They were flat-chested with braces, is what Maria Farmer said.
	That sounds right on the verge.
	Yeah.
	And so, you know, the truth of what Ghilaine is saying rests on how you define child.
	I mean, some people, you know, there are countries where 11-year-olds are married and they're not considered a child.
	Right.
	Very good.
	So maybe she came from one of those countries.
	Who knows?
	But I'm just kidding.
	So anyway, back in Florida, however, there was a network of middle school, quote-unquote, children from trailer parks and dysfunctional homes, parents who were drug addicted, and they were brought to Epstein's mansion by other children, 14-year, you know, new biles, as Ghilaine called them, by their friends.
	And these girls say that they brought friends from school and from the streets to an older man who liked to get massages from girls, and you could walk away with 200 bucks each time.
	And he wanted fresh new faces every day.
	So, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	So, some of these girls were flown in from Eastern European countries.
	There was a Yugoslavian Nadia Marchinko, and she was, I used the word domiciled by Epstein because he gave her a place to live from the age of 15.
	And she later became a pilot as well as a recruiter.
	And she had sex with the young girls herself.
	Now, these, you know, Ghilaine was a helicopter pilot, and that was very convenient because when you went to the Little St. James Island, you had to land at St. Thomas, and then you had to go by boat or helicopter to Epstein's Island.
	So when you have women flying women all over, women flying new miles, right?
	It comes in handy to have your own pilots.
	And this is another thing that I want to bring up.
	Epstein, I found this New Jersey criminal podcast on YouTube.
	It's very good.
	NJ Criminal Podcast.
	They have done lots and lots of videos and discussions on Jeffrey Epstein.
	But one of the videos that I watched was very interesting.
	It reported on Teeterborough Airport in New Jersey.
	I believe the town is Teeterborough as well, T-E-T-E-R-B-O-R-O.
	So this is where Epstein was nabbed by the FBI in 2019.
	So Teterborough is a very small airport hub that caters to the rich and famous who fly on private jets and chartered jets.
	And it costs $60,000 a month to park a plane in a hangar at Teeterborough Airport.
	And Epstein had four airplanes parked there plus a helicopter.
	Wow.
	Yep.
	And the Lolita Express was a full-on Boeing 727.
	He had six pilots that he employed, but their flight logs only listed miles flown for maintenance purposes.
	Right?
	So now here's another didn't even identify it was actually piloting the planes.
	Didn't identify who was piloting.
	Is that what you said?
	Yeah, you said the flight logs only listed miles flown.
	I think they, one pilot was interviewed and he said it didn't really occur to him.
	And then somebody from Virgin Islands, and now that's very interesting, that he would buy an island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, right?
	Right?
	Of course, fits all those sexes.
	It does fit.
	Yeah.
	So get this.
	So Les Wexner also had an airplane thing going.
	In the early 1990s, the CIA's airline called Southern Air Transport relocated to Ohio to manage cargo for Wexner's clothing brands.
	Come on.
	Women trafficking women, sure.
	I mean, the CIA is so helpful.
	It wants to, you know, assist a clothing company.
	And Epstein was hired to control this whole operation.
	Yeah, well, it's the biggest drug dealer in the world.
	So why not sex trafficking too?
	It's very, very dark.
	And every time I, while I was writing this newsletter, and if people want to subscribe to my newsletters, I would love it.
	You can go to sophiasmallstorm.com.
	You can go to my store, avatarproducts.com, and there's a link for subscribing.
	But every time I opened another video or turned on my computer and decided to look a little deeper or more into Epstein, it just got bigger and weirder and more unwieldy, darker.
	It was like a growing Loch Ness monster, all right, made of wobbly black jelly.
	Yeah.
	So I have five minutes.
	I will start.
	Okay, I'll just go into Epstein himself, as reported by New Jersey Criminal Podcast.
	So he was Wes, Les Wexner was his biggest client.
	And amazingly, mind-bogglingly, Les Wexner gave Epstein power of attorney over his entire financial empire, as well as that house for a dollar.
	So Epstein had what NJ Criminal Podcast calls the golden touch.
	He could do anything in the world of the darkest nature and just walk away.
	He skipped grades in high school, dropped out of college, which is NYU, managed to get a math job teaching math at Dalton, I believe.
	It was a classy New York prep school.
	Then he became a limited partner of an investment bank, Bear Stearns, and all of this with no degrees, no financial experience.
	And everywhere he went, just like the Pied Piper of Hamelin, he whistled his little flute and attracted and behaved inappropriately with teens all the way back to his own teen years.
	Yeah.
	But he is Teflon, the podcaster said.
	Nothing sticks to him.
	Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
	I mean, talk about connected, hopknobbing with all the presidents, even justices of the Supreme Court.
	I mean, the list is virtually endless, prominent.
	That is what I will get into in our next show because we only have a few minutes.
	And that ability will be better explained.
	And again, I am not an expert.
	I've spent weeks and weeks and weeks scratching my head, reading more, and thinking more, and guessing, and finding.
	All right.
	So we have a few more minutes, so I will get into only about one.
	They're pretty strict here.
	You might have two.
	Go for it, Sylvia.
	Okay, JP Morgan, the bank, and its relationship with Epstein.
	All right.
	So the New York Times put out an article.
	The music is moving.
	Sylvia, it's wonderful.
	Five lives.
	This is great.
	I can't wait for our next conversation.
	Thank you so much, so much, so much.
	Thank you very, very much.
	And Paul, thank you for the first hour talking about that.
	Yeah, who and what's going on, crazy stuff with Trump.
	The latest on Charlie Kurt shooting, the fantasies they're spinning, and of course, this wonderful piece by a woman sorting out what's really going on with Victor Hugo.
	Meanwhile, thank you all for being here.
	Thank you for listening to Revolution.

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