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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this 22nd day of August 2025.
	Co-host Paul from California will be joining shortly.
	I'm delighted to have special guest Shannon with me today.
	More from her as we proceed.
	Meanwhile, wars and rumors of war.
	The U.S., Venezuela, Israel, Iran, Russia, China make moves as a pivotal month of September approaches.
	September is shaping up to be such a pivotal month.
	Right now, major powers all over the globe are positioning themselves for what is to come.
	Just when we thought that global peace may be breaking out, it appears a lot more war is on the horizon.
	In fact, I just added yet another potential military conflict to the list of stuff I'm going to talk about in this article ominously.
	The signs that things could really start breaking loose next month just continue to pile up, even including a potential war between the United States and Venezuela.
	Let me add that there's a fascinating report now where hackers have got into the Ukrainian Armed Forces death list,
	and they have found that 1,700,000, it wasn't just 150, it was actually 150 million.
	I mean, the death toll on the Ukraine side is even higher than we thought.
	Here it is.
	Hackers, this is from Hal Turner, by the way, who's really on top of things.
	Hackers breached Ukraine military.
	1.7 million troops lost so far in the war.
	Computer hackers got into the general staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
	Losses amounted 1.7 killed or missing.
	According to the Digital Card Index, the losses by year had a total of 1,721,000 killed or missing.
	Losses by year, 2022, 118.5,000, 2023, 405.4,000, 2024, 595,000.
	So far in 2025, a record 621,000.
	The information was obtained as a result of hacking.
	PCs and local networks of the Ukrainian general staff employees by hackers from Killnet, PledgePro, UserSec, Beregnini.
	They now claim to have terabytes of information about the losses, personal data, list of countries supplying weapons, the whole bit.
	I think that does a lot to set aside beliefs that have been promoted that Russia has suffered the vast majority of deaths when others of us, including Colonel McGregor,
	Larry Johnson, Scott Britter, Colonel Wilkerson, have all been reporting and affirming massive loss on the Ukrainian side, which heretofore, I believe, amounted to a 1.5, 1.5 million.
	It turns out to be 1.7.
	Meanwhile, we get further propagandistic reports about agreements to security of safety buffer in Ukraine, UN troops, that sort of nonsense.
	Here's the Kremlin making clear no Zelensky-Blutin talks on the horizon, zero hedge reporting.
	The Trump admin has, coming off the Friday and Monday Ukraine-related summits, been touting a direct Putin-Zelensky meeting will happen soon, likely in the coming days or weeks.
	But the Kremlin is now downplaying, contradicting the very idea.
	No, there is no Putin-Zelensky meeting on the immediate horizon.
	Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has made clear.
	The Russian president told Trump on Monday that he was open to the idea of direct talks with Ukraine.
	But the next day, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov watered down that vague commitment.
	Any meeting would have to be prepared gradually, starting with the expert level and thereafter going through all the required steps, he said, repeating a frequent, non-committal Kremlin line.
	Dmitry Polyansky, a Russian deputy representative to the UN, told BBC no one had rejected the opportunity for direct talks, but there shouldn't be a meeting just for the sake of having a meeting.
	Paul has now joined us, I'm glad to say.
	Paul, I've been reporting, for example, that while there is a possibility of breaks up war all over the place, hackers have gone into the Ukrainian records and found a total of 1.7 million Ukrainians have died in the war.
	Russia, I think, is like 500,000.
	In any case, it's huge.
	Would you have any thoughts about the matter?
	Well, if it's true, it's just horrific.
	I mean, you know, and for what?
	For what purpose?
	You know, I can't see making any more comments other than that.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Shannon, would you like to comment?
	Yeah, that is a horrifying number.
	I hope it's not true.
	I mean, we never, you know, sometimes with the news, it's hard to say, but it is obviously been clear, like just crazy aggression against the Ukraine similar.
	It reminds me of what's been going on in Gaza again and how that's amped up and all these things happening, amping up at once, you know, obviously with an intention of, yeah, like exploding, just having war everywhere.
	Because, you know, what did we have five years ago?
	We had a pan, the global pandemic, allegedly, that we were all focused on that kept everybody in their place and everybody impoverished more and more.
	The same effects of war that happened, but we weren't really having these focus on war at the time.
	Suddenly, there were no terrorist attacks anywhere or anything.
	You know, we were all focused on that.
	And then when that dies down, it's like we have to have another crisis and another crisis.
	And all these crises always are benefiting the elite in power that want to hold their positions of power and are not benefiting people.
	And people everywhere are suffering as a result.
	So it's just, to me, it's just more verification that there is like a global elite running this show.
	And, you know, so that's just more evidence of that in my mind.
	But and just quickly, so Shannon, I would observe since you just said that there were no or the terrorist incidents diminished with the pandemic.
	So Jim, I would hypothesize that that's because the virus weakened the immune systems of the terrorists and caused them to stay at home.
	Well, that's what they seem to imply that they were on lockdown too.
	We got to make light of things when we can.
	I do agree.
	Meanwhile, zero heads, all the reports, and this is the lunatic Lindsey Graham.
	I can't believe he's plug on Israel.
	God's going to pull the plug on America.
	I mean, just absolute insanity.
	Trump set to crush Russian economy.
	If Putin evades Zelensky, Senator Graham, Republican senator and notorious anti-Russian hawk, Lindsey Graham, said Tuesday he believes President Trump is ready to hit Russian economy hard with a new round of sanctions if President Trump refuses to meet with Ukrainian Zelensky in the near future.
	Frankly, I do not believe Putin under any circumstance should meet with Zelensky.
	I would be concerned Zelensky would be out to try to assassinate him, frankly.
	Just as we had the incident that received little attention, where Nancy Pelosi actually had a poisoned palm for a State of the Union address and had Donald Trump shaking her hand, he would be dead now.
	Well, we had lip readers, everyone in the audience there, the senators and the representatives were talking about what they were going to do politically with Trump deceased.
	I could see Zelensky trying to pull such a stunt on Putin.
	Meanwhile, the White House has said after Trump met with Putin in Alaska and then with Zelensky and European leaders that the Russian president agreed to a bilateral meeting with a Ukrainian leader and then if necessary, there'd be a trilateral meeting involving Trump and Putin and Zelensky.
	The White House may have said it, but it ain't so.
	President Trump spoke with President Putin by phone and he agreed.
	He agreed to on having one of these conferences.
	You know another conference.
	Here goes.
	Meanwhile Ram, who chairs the Senate Budget Committee, told Trump tuesday has removed, when pushing major bipartisan sanctions targeting Moscow, heavy tariffs on countries that help fund Russia's military.
	I don't like any of this.
	It's all so coercive Russia's thriving, surviving, flourishing.
	BRICS is moving forward.
	The dollar is weakening.
	The other economies are growing stronger.
	Frankly, I believe Trump has completely mismanaged foreign policy.
	Shannon, your thoughts.
	Yeah, I actually am just thinking right now about how we've been funding the aggressors in the Middle East with Israel, clearly like causing genocide, you know, against the Palestinians.
	Yet we seem to be supporting what looks like the underdog and the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
	And I wonder why, you know, and so because it's not like about good and bad.
	It's about like, you know, like Russia getting too much power and maybe not going along with NATO and what NATO wants, you know, the whole putting the changing the oil to a petrol, the Euro on the Euro instead of the dollar.
	So we lost that.
	You know, so it's like, you look at the money, excuse me, and the economy behind that and what stands to be lost or gained.
	That's what the wars are always about.
	And it's not about the humanitarian issue.
	Like we are fed that line about humanitarianism and, you know, trying to help people.
	But really, they've got their own agendas.
	And obviously, Putin hasn't been going along with, I'm still not sure why.
	Honestly, it's just so strange to me that like it seemed like you were saying like Russia was flourishing and they weren't even going along with like the lockdown things.
	And it seemed like they were headed in a good direction.
	And the, you know, NATO and the, you know, global elite didn't like that.
	And they weren't, you know, playing the ball, playing ball like they wanted.
	And then, but then why do they go and attack Ukraine?
	That just seems like a staged thing to, you know, intend it to create the chaos and the, you know, a way to bring him down.
	So that's just, do you have any thoughts on that?
	Like, I just, it's, um, I don't know.
	You know, it just seems like the Ukrainians were lobbing artillery shells into Russian areas for quite a while.
	But go ahead, Jim, if you want to answer that more.
	Yeah.
	No, Paul, go right ahead.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	Well, as I understand it, of course, this whole thing has been provoked.
	It started out with the so-called another color revolution where the Ukrainian government was replaced with this Jewish homosexual actor Zelensky, and he proceeded to do the bidding of the essentially the Jewish filete, you know.
	And they're the ones that are running the show.
	They always have been.
	And I think sometimes the best explanation makes the most sense.
	So what people have speculated is that, of course, obviously there's been a historical, shall we say, animosity towards the Russians.
	So this is pretty well documented.
	And then couple that with the desire to clear out the Ukraine and resettle it, you know, Israel 2.0.
	And you don't have to look much further.
	Yeah, that's what my thoughts were initially.
	I remember that kind of, I thought there was something where Ukraine actually did start it.
	And it reminds me a lot of World War II and Germany and Poland.
	I mean, look at what happened there, right?
	It was like, you know, Britain was behind Hitler.
	He was like, they loved Hitler.
	And, you know, it was always going on about Hitler's socialism, how great it was.
	And all of a sudden, you know, everything, like maybe he wasn't playing ball with them anymore.
	And they started this whole thing with Poland because it was actually the Polish were attacking and killing Germans on the border.
	Oh, okay, good sad.
	Yeah, and so they provoked that.
	And yet, how it ends up being presented to the world is like, oh, Hitler's gone crazy.
	He's just like, it doesn't make any sense.
	He's just attacking these innocent people and this invading this country.
	And then all of a sudden, like, Britain's behind Poland.
	And then it's just so similar to that.
	That's what's worried me about this from the beginning: it just like looks like the same game again, you know, the same pattern of like, okay, now everybody has to choose a side, and then you get the whole world involved.
	And then what happens?
	You know, so we are looking at like a World War III situation when they keep, you know, they're going to play that game again.
	And it seems like that's what's happening because now everybody's sorry for Ukraine and all the losses there.
	You know, so, and you're like, well, we have to support Ukraine.
	And this is what, you know, how it all escalates, I guess.
	I don't know that the fact Ukraine has lost 1.7 million forces in a war it shouldn't be fighting anyway.
	You know, they aggravated, as Paul was observing.
	They were artillery barrages in the Donbass.
	They killed up to 2,000 by the time of the Russian intervention, which I understand was precipitated by Putin learning they were about to undertake a mass sweep and genocide in the Donbass, parallel to what the Israelis have done in Gaza with the Palestinians.
	And he entered to thwart that and protect the Russian-friendly ethnic Russians and all that in the Donbass, Luhans, Donask, the Crimean, of course, and in the Zabrzaya and Kherson.
	And it seems to me Putin's been doing the right thing, and he is the good guy in the West and Zelensky, and sad to say, the United States, the bad.
	I can't escape that conclusion.
	Paul, would you agree?
	Yeah, if you want to characterize it that way, sure.
	I don't disagree with any of that, or I don't disagree with much of what Shannon just said.
	Of course, that whole topic of World War II and its aftermath and the current world order is a much larger tapestry, and there's always multiple factors at play.
	But essentially, I think that we all have it right.
	We can see exactly what's been going on.
	And of course, it's all manipulated by the usual suspects.
	And their money.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And here we have the UK Telegraph.
	Russia bombs U.S. factory in one of the world's largest attacks.
	Russia struck an American business with cruise missiles overnight.
	One of the largest aerial attacks of the war so far.
	Ukraine has reported.
	The Ukrainian Air Force said some 574 drones and 40 missiles were fired overnight, primarily targeting western regions of the country, far from the battlefield front line in the east and the south.
	The strike killed only one, injured 15, but struck a major American electronic manufacturer in the city of Makachevo in Zakharpatia, according to Andrei Sebyod, Ukraine's foreign minister.
	Video footage showed a large fire on the premises of Flex Limited, a multinational firm with headquarters in Texas.
	The country, the company, manufactures electronic goods, including game consoles, laptop, control units for cars and other vehicles, no doubt.
	They're providing the instrumentation for the drones.
	So this seems to me to be a perfectly appropriate target to take out.
	Meanwhile, Trump seems to be suggesting that Ukraine should be making more deep strikes into Russian territory.
	Get this.
	Breaking.
	President Trump says Ukraine had no chance of winning the war with Russia because Biden would not let Ukraine fight back.
	Is Trump suggesting Ukraine should start striking Russian territory?
	Here's what he put up on True Social.
	It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invader's country.
	It's like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense, but is not allowed to play offensive.
	There's no chance of winning.
	It is like that with Ukraine and Russia.
	Crooked and grossly incompetent Joe Biden would not let Ukraine fight back, only defend, defend.
	How did that work out?
	Regardless, this is a war that would have never happened if I were present.
	Zero chance.
	Interesting times ahead.
	Ball.
	I look at that as a threat.
	Well, you know, you and I have talked about this ad infinitum on all these different shows.
	So, you know, you can't believe anything Trump says.
	You know, he's a, you know, what?
	What can be said about him?
	Okay, he's a fraud.
	He's a shill.
	He's a buffoon.
	He's a fool.
	He cannot be trusted.
	And I don't really think he has much agency.
	And plus, as you've covered, is it the real Trump?
	You know, when you were talking about that Nancy Pelosi story, first of all, I'd like to know, you know, A, how does that work?
	What does she have in her hand?
	It has to be some device because if she has a substance on her hand, how come it doesn't affect her?
	And some others going to transfer to Trump.
	I mean, that's an interesting little, you know, spy versus spy type of tale.
	You know, but the notion of, okay, so that we're going to take out the fake Trump.
	I don't know if Shannon is familiar with your work on this at all, but yeah, we're living in a world of illusion and fraud.
	Well, yeah.
	And I have, and we'll talk in the next hour, I guess, about my new book.
	I get into a lot of this about what's going on with AI and all these, all the deception that's really made possible by tech right now.
	And you don't know online who's who and what's going on.
	And there's all these deep fakes going, you know, so it's just getting crazier on that level.
	Right.
	Yeah, I would wonder too.
	I mean, you know, we don't have to branch off, but I see all these fake AI ads using the real image of the real celebrity.
	And it's obviously AI and they're talking in the celebrity's voice, but you know, it's not the celebrity.
	And the celebrity didn't agree to do these ridiculous ads for all the stuff you see on YouTube.
	Right.
	So you kind of wonder, like, all right, what's going on here?
	How come they're not being sued?
	And this is technology that has developed, you know, probably who knows how long before it was released to the public, right?
	So I'm sure military had access long before this.
	And who knows, even with these AI bots that are very convincing and like starting to look more and more like humans with the goal to actually do that, to infiltrate and kind of walk among us and have citizenship and, you know, not to be able to discern who's a robot and who's a human.
	I mean, we joked a lot about Biden looking like a robot.
	I mean, you know, it's possible.
	Maybe he was a robot.
	I mean, it's, it's that crazy.
	Stranger things have happened.
	And here we go.
	U.S. To fund 500 million Boeing KC Vortezik tanker aircraft in a deal for Israel, obviously to be used to attack Iran.
	Israeli defense minister announced Wednesday it'll be signed a contract to purchase two Boeing-made KC 40zik tanker aircraft in a deal worth about 500 mil that'll be funded by U.S. military aid.
	In other words, we the taxpayer are going to pay for these two monster tankers so Israel can attack Iran, the greatest peace-loving nation on the face of earth today, which has not launched a war of aggression against any other state since 1775.
	Who says the U.S. is the ugly American?
	Who says we have our head up our butt?
	This is just grotesque.
	Shannon, your thoughts.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, why do we keep funding Israel?
	Again, like there, it's clear genocide happening.
	I mean, it's just disgusting, horrific what they've been doing to the Palestinians, especially this last year.
	I mean, just really escalated and really in our face.
	Just like before, maybe you could argue, oh, they were being attacked too, or like, you know, people could try to argue against, you know, for what they were doing and defend them, but it's just been indefensible, like in recent times, really indefensible behavior.
	And then we're just going to keep funding them.
	Why?
	You know, and again, like, what, why is do they need our help?
	And why don't we really have a say in that?
	It seems like it's just, again, taxpayer money.
	And, you know, all of our presidents have, I mean, Trump and Biden have been clear that they support Israel.
	And why are we, I mean, I thought it was unconstitutional for us to support the nation.
	I don't know.
	I guess people forget that.
	You mentioned the word constitution.
	I love it.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	Why, Shannon?
	We keep doing this with Israel and we get nothing out of it.
	Weird, huh?
	It's kind of weird.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, right.
	It's like, who's really running our country then?
	Are we a sovereign nation?
	I think that we're the horse in Israel.
	Israel is the writer.
	That's just the way it is.
	We're the dog and they hold the leash.
	And, you know, there could be no doubt about it.
	And pay no attention to Jeffrey Epstein, as Trump said.
	Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
	Get over it already.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Here we go.
	An Israeli committee has approved a settlement expansion plan that Smotrich says erases a Palestinian state.
	We'll be right back with Paul and Shannon right after this break.
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	And now we return you to your host.
	An Israeli committee Wednesday gave final approval for the construction of about 3,400 housing units for the expansion of an illegal settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.
	A step that Israeli Finance Minister Benzil Smotrich said erases a Palestinian state.
	The housing unit will be constructed as part of the controversial E1 settlement project, which has been frozen for decades due to international opposition, since it will essentially split the West Bank in two.
	Smotrich, who also holds a position in the Defense Ministry that gives authority to expand settlements, first announced the plan last week.
	The Israeli settlement watchdog Greek Peace Now said that the vote by the higher planning committee of the civil administration, a defense ministry department, for final approval of the construction came at a record speed, and scheduling usually takes much longer.
	Of course, they're going to do everything they can to wipe out not only Gaza, but the West Bank in the shortest possible time.
	They're upset that there's so much international opposition, but that is exactly what they're about, and they have no intention of delaying or holding back.
	Meanwhile, here we have a report from coronavirus news.
	Net Yahoo funded Hamas and enabled October 7th as a pretext.
	No reason to expect anything but genocide in Gaza invasion.
	We got a photograph here of a starving child in Gaza, Grim.
	The query at Auschwitz, tell me where was God in the answer, where was man?
	William Styron.
	But of course, Auschwitz was a fable.
	It was mythology.
	In all the camps combined, only 296,081 died altogether, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross.
	And that included gypsies, the infirm.
	But of course, these were labor camps.
	They did use Cyclone B to kill body lies.
	Let's not straighten your forehead, Jim.
	I know that's a whole.
	Yeah, I'm aware of that as well.
	There's a lot of misinformation.
	I'm sorry.
	Sorry.
	No, we just go back years serious.
	Oh, yeah.
	Jim has a tendency to start on a subject and just go down that road, marching down that road with all his knowledge, which is impressive, that's for sure.
	Well, we get it.
	Reporting on the paywall, June 2025, Israeli newspaper Haratz article.
	It's a killing field.
	IDF soldiers are to shoot deliberately at unarmed Gazans waiting for humanitarian aid.
	Common dreams, right?
	Israeli Defense Force Commanders or groups to shoot and shell aid-seeking Palestinian civilians in Gaza, even when they pose no threat.
	According to IDF officers and soldiers interviewed by Israelis' oldest daily newspaper, at some point here, they talk about the creation of the October 7th event, which I think was pretty obvious in the beginning.
	There was something wrong.
	They had these videos of Hamas hang gliding over the wall.
	Same time we had former IDF the very day reporting this is ridiculous because the wall is so sensitive.
	If a bird craps on the wall, the IDF knows.
	And we have all the reports of IDF being told to stand down for five to seven hours so he could create a pretext for the slaughter of all the Palestinians.
	Shannon, it's just breathtaking the brutality, the crudity, the savagery of the Israelis, led by this madman, this sadistic monster, Net Yahoo.
	It is, it breaks your heart.
	It does.
	And like you said, the world is really opposed to this violence and genocide.
	And why isn't it stopping then?
	Why isn't the world stopping it?
	It seems like the people of the world are opposed to it.
	And that just shows us, again, how powerless we are because this isn't what, you know, I don't think this is what the people want.
	And it is heartbreaking.
	But yeah.
	So, Jim, go back to that picture, if you don't mind, one with the Two Israelis looking at the map, you know, with the one with the Yamaka was a couple of links back.
	Yeah, let me find settlement expansion.
	Yeah, that's like that's the picture worth a thousand words.
	Right.
	Yeah, that's that one.
	No, above that one.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	That's it right there.
	I mean, we don't really need to.
	I mean, words are not necessary when you see that.
	A couple of Jews carving up your land.
	You know, it's just, and again, I'm sure Shannon has not read Jewish Supremacism by David Duke.
	And I know, Jim, you haven't read it either, but I mean, he covers this essentially.
	You know, this is, it's not unique to them, okay?
	But I mean, they just happen to be running the show now with their money and the political intrigue and the blackmail and everything else we've always covered.
	But there's always been and there always will be a territorial imperative.
	And if you're not strong enough to withstand, you know, whatever comes your way, then you're going to lose.
	You know, as I've made this point over and over again, the Germans were absolutely correct in their assessment of what they called the natural order.
	And that nature is unkind to the weak.
	And they reward the dominant, they reward the strong, and they reward nature, by the way.
	You know, the world seems to reward the aggressive.
	It's just the way it is.
	And until the average person can get that through their heads, we're going to continue to be, you know, befumbled by, well, why things are a certain way?
	Well, it's because, you know, we're not strong enough to enforce our will and or we don't have political leadership that will do so.
	And they are, they are bribed, they are blackmailed, they are compromised.
	And in many cases, they're the worst sorts of human beings.
	Okay.
	You know, besides the obvious Zionist shills, we have super dysfunctional people, homosexuals, and, you know, every kind of, again, flawed individual.
	I mean, there's a reason that certain politicians are chosen and backed with money by these people are masters because they don't want strong leadership.
	They don't want nationalism.
	And they want essentially divided pseudo-nation states that they call multiracial or multicultural democracies because they can easily rule those.
	Very good, Paul.
	Meanwhile, the Berning Platform suggests the Middle East, the decisive battleground of World War III.
	Now, personally, I think it's going to be Ukraine.
	I don't believe, in fact, World War III is going to break out in the Middle East initially, but I will not be remotely surprised if it extends to the Middle East.
	Here's what Berning Platform has to say: it's important to recognize that world orders are nothing new.
	World orders have been the framework in which major global powers set the rules of the game.
	They define the structure of international political relations.
	Thinking in terms of world orders requires zooming out entirely, taking the geopolitical view from 40,000 feet.
	On a smaller scale, it's similar to how the most powerful criminal organizations in a city, such as mafias and street gangs, form agreements to divide their activities and territories among themselves.
	Eventually, though, these arrangements always break down, leading to violent power struggles until a new agreement is reached, reflecting the shifting balance of power.
	A similar dynamic is at play with the most powerful countries, world orders, and world wars.
	You can think of world wars, world orders as apex, distinct historical periods marked by evolving global power structures.
	Now, this is a very comprehensive article talking about the beast of Westphalia, the Congress of Vienna, the Treaty of Versailles, the current U.S.-led world order, 1945 to today.
	We'll pick it up there.
	The victors of World War II create the current world order with the U.S. as its leader.
	This system includes institutions like the United Nations, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund, all headquartered in the U.S.
	This world order has largely been unipolar, with the U.S. exerting significant influence over international policies and decision making.
	World War III.
	Well, many don't realize World War III is already underway.
	Let me explain.
	Total war between the world's largest powers that reshuffled the international order to find the previous world wars.
	However, with the advent of nuclear weapons, total war between the largest powers today, Russia, China, and the U.S., means a nuclear Megan where there are no winners and only losers.
	That could still happen despite nobody wanting it.
	But it's not the most likely outcome.
	World War III is unlikely to be a total war between the world's largest powers like the previous world wars.
	Instead, the conflict is playing out on different levels.
	Proxy wars, economic wars, financial wars, cyber wars, biological warfare, deniable sabotage, information warfare.
	In that sense, World War III is already well underway, though most fail to recognize it.
	I think he's making a nice point.
	Paul, your thoughts?
	Oh, sorry, I was muted there.
	I don't know that I could add much to what you just said.
	This is all, you know, people just pontificating and hypothesizing, you know, to write articles for content.
	I mean, I think we can all clearly see the direction that all the so-called Western nations are taking, which is towards some sort of Jewish-run, Jewish-dominated authoritarianism or totalitarianism.
	And of course, that's not a pleasant prospect for white people because we all know that they hate us.
	I mean, I think they hate people in general.
	I think mostly they're misanthropes, which I can understand me walking around every day seeing what I see.
	I completely understand misanthropy.
	But I certainly don't want to be the victim of these people.
	And that's what they're going to do.
	That's their plan.
	They're working on it, and they're not going to give up.
	And they never will give up until they're dead.
	It's just the way it is.
	Shannon, your thoughts.
	Yeah, I can see, I've been saying since especially the beginning of 2020 that, yeah, it's already happening in these other ways that have the same effects or even worse than, like, if you think about World War II and the people's individual freedoms, they had more than people did under the lockdown policies.
	They could go out, they could still go out to a bard, socialize with people, you know, do their jobs, go to work when they could when they weren't actively being bombed on.
	Nobody was trying to, you know, take completely like take their freedom away or jobs away in that sense.
	So we've had like worse effects than some of these previous wars, you know, just using technology and using fear and using this these global institutions that are dictating, you know, like the pandemic was sort of like, well, this is more important than your rights and we can override your individual liberties.
	We can override your state constitutions because of this supposed threat.
	And that should never happen.
	And it did.
	And it's amazing how far-reaching that was.
	I mean, absolutely shocking.
	And people, I think, still, I don't know, we've gotten conditioned or they haven't really accepted how bad that's been and what the after effects have been and will continue to be.
	And a lot of this has to do with the rise of, you know, technology being used as a tool of oppression to be able to do this on such a vast level and to imprison us on that level.
	So it's, I think it is going on in a myriad of ways.
	And there's been a lot of attacks on food, which always happens in war as well.
	And it's like that has been massive.
	And that has been like using the germ theory, you know, virus narrative, bird flu.
	I mean, people don't see that often that, and they may not have access to the news of how, you know, millions and millions of chickens, you know, are being slaughtered, you know, pigs, chickens, cows, like all the, you know, meat sources of food.
	I mean, just in the just incredible, incredible attacks on food in so many different ways at GMOs, you know, Bill Gates buying up farmland.
	So, you know, I see like these different ways of imprisoning us that are happening that usually happen with war.
	So, I mean, that seems to me like that is war.
	And we're living under those kind of effects.
	But in scarier to me is than the nuclear threat really is like these new kind of smart technology being used for warfare, for military weapons.
	We've got like, you know, just AI, I mean, robots and drones.
	And, you know, I mean, it's, it's just on this level that's just inconceivable and pretty frightening.
	But yeah.
	Right.
	Paul, do you want to add?
	No, I not much not much to not much to add to that except for I think we've all seen the Terminator series of movies.
	They're going to try to achieve Skynet.
	I really do think that's something that they was like a premonition.
	If they could pull something like that up, they will.
	Yeah.
	Caitlin Johnson, really smart gal.
	Here she's got a please.
	The U.S. treats Israeli pedophiles nicer than wounded Palestinian kids.
	No doubt about it.
	Here's a bit of the U.S. treats Israeli pedophiles nicer than wounded Palestinian kids.
	Notes from the edge of the narrative matrix.
	Anti-war has a story out right now with the headline, Representative Green, U.S. should let Gaza children in for medical treatment and prosecute Israeli child predators.
	It's a headline that says so much about what's going on in the world in just a few words.
	Is the U.S. really not letting Gaza children in for medical treatment?
	Is the U.S. really failing to prosecute Israelis who prey on children?
	Why are these things necessary to say?
	And why is it being left to Marjorie Taylor Greene to say them?
	What's crazy is that these are entirely true and legitimate grievances, as anti-wars Dave DeCamp explains.
	Quote, the Georgia representative was referring to a recent State Department decision to block visas for Palestinians from Gaza in response to outrage from pro-Trump activist Laura Loomer over wounded Palestinian children arriving for medical treatment.
	And the case of Tom Alexandrovich, a senior Israeli cyber official who was arrested in a sting operation in Nevada for attempting to lure a child for sexual purposes but was allowed to go back to Israel.
	End quote.
	I mean, damn.
	Things are so fucked up that the only way to get wounded Palestinian children in and out of the United States for medical treatment these days would be to disguise them as Israeli pedophiles.
	Israel apologists are still trying to make the we're not starving children, we're starving sick children line work.
	Barry Weiss's media outlet, The Free Press, has a new genocide apologia article out, noting that 12 of the emaciated children we've seen in photos distributed by the mainstream press have had pre-existing conditions like cystic fibrosis, rickets, or other serious ailments.
	This argument is exactly the same as starting a fire in a crowded building and then claiming you can't be guilty of murder by arson because many of the people who died in the fire were handicapped and elderly individuals who couldn't escape quickly enough.
	Everyone knows that the people who suffer first and worst in a famine are small children, the elderly, and the sick.
	As others have pointed out, it really shows how desperate the Israel spinmeisters are getting that they would cite rickets as a pre-existing condition in their argument to dismiss concerns about starvation in Gaza, given that rickets is a condition caused by malnutrition.
	Israel, we have to kill all the journalists in Gaza because they're Hamas.
	Western journalists.
	Okay, so let us in, so at least someone's there to report on what's happening in Gaza.
	Israel, we can't.
	It's not safe for you.
	Western journalists.
	Why not?
	Israel.
	Because then you'd be Hamas.
	Saw a tweet from former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett complaining that Europe is becoming Islamized.
	Fearmongering about the number of Muslims who now live in some of Europe's major cities.
	Israelis are something else, man.
	They don't want Muslims to live in the Middle East.
	They don't want Muslims to live in Europe.
	Kinda seems like they just don't want Muslims to live.
	The New York Post has an article out with the headline, Queen's Bodega named Gaza Delian Grill ignites fear among Jewish New Yorkers, including October 7th survivor saying, I'm still not safe.
	It's just as ridiculous as it sounds.
	There's a bodega in New York called Gaza Delian Grill and Jewish locals are saying it makes them feel unsafe.
	This happens as an active genocide continues in Gaza, with Israel calling upon 60,000 IDF reservists in preparation for the planned ethnic cleansing of a million civilians from Gaza City.
	Whenever you see the Western press centering the feelings of Western Jews with extreme aggression, it's a safe bet that Israel has something especially ugly in the works.
	The plan has always been to pace us from it's a complicated conflict and Hamas attacked on October 7th and gosh, you sure are obsessed with Jews to, well, it's too late to do anything about it now to, oh, come on, Gaza was so long ago and there's nothing we can do to change the past.
	It really seems to have taken the empire by surprise that the public has not played along with this.
	They really expected us to forget about Gaza within the first few weeks and let it fade into the background.
	The fact that the outcry has only gotten louder says encouraging things about ordinary members of the public and about the future of the human species.
	I like that.
	I think that was extremely good.
	Shannon, your thought.
	Yeah, that was excellent.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Very true.
	And yeah, it's good, though, that the public isn't playing along, you know, and forgetting and going along with this, as it seems like we usually do.
	And I think one reason is because he touched on how, you know, this kind of Muslim immigration invasion that's happening all over Europe.
	And why is it happening?
	Because they're being kicked out of their lands.
	You know, they're being bombed out of their lands.
	You know, they're refugees.
	Okay.
	Well, in some cases, I just think it's interesting how the orchestrators of the wars will create a situation where these refugees have to go somewhere.
	And I think this is intentional.
	And then you kind of make them go to certain countries that you want to destabilize culturally or something.
	And so it's like another invasion.
	Well, it's a racial agenda, Shannon.
	They're funding them and doing it on purpose.
	So I would imagine very, very few, you know, so-called Muslim immigrants are the result of the bombs fell in their town.
	You know, so I mean, it's a nice narrative and everything.
	And I've heard it before, but and the bottom line is as a white person, as a white nationalist, I really don't care what happens to these people.
	And we certainly don't want more of them coming here because it's going to be a disaster, just like it's becoming a disaster in these smaller European countries where they're projecting that by 2040 or 2050, that 75% of school-aged children in France will be non-French.
	Yeah, it's shocking how quickly it's happened.
	I mean, I'm not sure.
	Well, yeah, because they have like two or three wives and, you know, four, four, five, six children, you know, minimum.
	You know, some cases, you know, they'll have eight children or more between a couple of wives.
	So it is immigration policy.
	Like you said, it's not just refugees.
	That's kind of like the pretense.
	But I can't, as a white person, immigrate to these countries, to European countries where my ancestors come from.
	I can't.
	And I've tried.
	I've looked into this before, and I can't, I can't immigrate almost any, I can't immigrate to anywhere except for like, you know, South America or Central America where they're starting to really hate gringos and killing them.
	You know, so it's sort of like, where do we go?
	Right, exactly.
	Well, that's why that's what quickly pushed me.
	Once I first heard the term white nationalism, probably back in the late 90s, and I just said, oh, okay, what is that?
	And started.
	And then pretty quickly, you come to certain conclusions, you know, just based upon the numbers.
	And, you know, they estimate now we're eight to 10% of the population.
	Supposedly in 1900, we were 20 to 25% of the world's population.
	And so, yeah, it's just, it's a recipe for, and no matter what people say or whatever sensitivities they have, you know, even some of the more brain-dead white liberals can open their eyes and look around and see what's occurring and see exactly who these people are.
	And They're not Americans of a different skin color, and you know, that's just an absurd idea.
	But anyway, I just quickly, I laugh at the idea that the Gaza deli upsets the Jewish people.
	I want to go there and open a string of pizza places.
	We'll call it Auschwitz Pizza.
	And, you know, come and have a little tagline to say, we got the best ovens.
	Come on in.
	You know, see if that upsets these people.
	Picking up on that story we were looking at before the White House intervened at Netanyahu's request to free Israeli child rapists in the U.S.
	A bombshell report reveals the White House intervened at Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's urgent request to secure a swift release of Tom Atrium Alexandrovich, one of Netanyahu's top cyber warfare officials accused of child rape in the U.S., allowing the suspect to flee back to Israel just days after his arrest in a high-profile sting operation.
	This brazen act of diplomatic favoritism has sparked outrage, exposing potential deep stake complicity and shielding foreign elites from justice for heinous crimes against American children.
	Now, I've heard, but not had the confirmation, Donald Trump himself personally intervened to direct this guy's release.
	Absolutely unbelievable.
	When we come back from the break, Shannon will have the mic.
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	Trump has done some bad things that reveal how much he's deferring to Bibi Netanyahu.
	On one of his recent visits, he called Netanyahu the greatest man in the world.
	which might be true if you're ranking monsters.
	He's the greatest monster in the world.
	I'll have heard of that.
	He's made many other gestures, but this idea of intervening on behalf of a rapist to allow him to escape to Israel because Netanyahu asked him, that is Reed Paul Sim.
	Paul, your thoughts.
	I'm sorry, I had to unmute there.
	I sorry, I got distracted.
	You know, I heard comments about Netanyahu being a monster and so on and so forth.
	So let's go back to the story, Paul, about White House intervening to release this Israeli body.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sorry about that.
	Yeah.
	No, of course, this is nothing new.
	I mean, this has been going on for many decades.
	In fact, David Duke covered it in his books that he wrote about this.
	And that was back in, what, the late 90s or early 2000s.
	And, you know, even before that.
	So it's a well-known thing that Israelis get a pass.
	I mean, you know, look at today, right?
	I mean, these people were still trying to tell us that Leo Frank was not guilty and that he was lynched due to anti-Semitism.
	I mean, these people.
	It's like, I'll repeat the theme.
	I'm sure Shannon is uncomfortable, maybe or not.
	It doesn't matter, but I've said over and over again that history has proven that you cannot have these people amongst you.
	That's why historically they were ostracized to their own ghettos in their own settlements.
	I mean, the term pale settlement, I'm sure Shannon is knowledgeable.
	She knows where that came from.
	There's a reason why these people have always been cordoned off.
	Okay.
	They lived in the Jewish quarter.
	You know, why was there a Jewish quarter?
	Well, because they did want the rest of the people didn't want to have to interact or deal with them.
	And again, we see now what occurs when you let them have political power, financial power, so on and so on and so on.
	It's just, it's awful.
	It's nothing as earlier was alluded to by Shannon and others.
	It's not what we want.
	You know, the people don't ever seem to get what they want.
	Shocker.
	But anyway, I'm very interested in Shannon's material, and this is a subject that's kind of near and dear to me.
	So, yeah.
	It's all hers.
	Go ahead, Shannon.
	All right.
	Well, yeah, you know, and this really heavy topic of child molestation and rape, I do cover a bit in my new book because unfortunately, yeah, our leaders today are involved in this.
	They are not, they get away with it repeatedly.
	Like we said, you said earlier, Jim, about Trump just saying, why is everybody going on about Epstein?
	Can't we forget about that now?
	You know, which was interesting because I thought that he was, a lot of people believe in this QAnon Trump thing that he was going to take down all the, you know, expose all the pedophiles and like get them out of office and everything.
	And like everything would change then.
	And I didn't, I didn't actually believe that was going to happen.
	And we're seeing it's not happening, you know, unfortunately.
	And it's like, yeah, there's been a history, a recent history of, you know, the people in power tied to pedophilia and pedophilia rings.
	And this has actually been enabled as well.
	The reason it's in my book at all, so my book is called my newest book.
	I have four out.
	And one we've talked about, last time I was on your show, we talked about my book called Shots Fired, Vaccine Weapons, Medical Tyranny, and the War Against Humanity.
	And the title kind of says it all.
	This one, another big 600 and something pages small print book called The Red Shoes, Our Devil's Dance with Technology and How We Can Stop It.
	Now, The Red Shoes, I chose as a title because there is a chapter here I have called The Red Shoe Club, and that gets into the kind of dark aspect of technology enabling pedophilia and harming children.
	And one of the questions I ask about our use of technology today and where we're going with it is, is it making our lives better?
	Are we happier?
	Are we healthier?
	Are we wealthier?
	Are children protected better?
	And they're not.
	They're more vulnerable and more exposed than ever before.
	And it's like, so we have to ask, start asking ourselves questions like that.
	And I think the reason I wrote this and the reason for the title really is about the fable.
	And I don't know if you're familiar with the Red Shoes fable, Jim, or Paul.
	Reminder.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So Hans Christian Anderson popularized this one.
	And it's about, it's basically about dancing out of control.
	It's about the tool versus master reversal.
	So, your tools, your shoes, you know, very fundamental tool that we create takes over the wearer.
	And in this case, it's a young girl.
	She's an orphan living in the woods, but she's doing okay.
	She's kind of made her own life, fashioned her own red shoes.
	They're crude, but she's basically happy and fulfilled because she's, you know, independent and she's sovereign.
	But along comes this gilded carriage one day with an older woman in it who is part blind.
	And this is all symbolic.
	It's like her intuition is blind in this moment.
	And the gilded carriage is like represents, you know, this escapism for our, you know, we get tired of doing things ourselves and we seek and often seek the easy way out.
	And so here comes the temptation of, and it's a form of addiction, it becomes a form of addiction.
	So there's this temptation to like give our cares away to something else.
	And that's what technology promises us today: we're going to, I'm going to take care of you.
	You know, AI is going to take care of us now, do everything for us.
	You don't have to work anymore.
	You don't have to think anymore, is what it's getting to.
	Right.
	And so the gilded carriage comes along and tells, and the woman says, you can just come home with me.
	You won't have to work anymore.
	I'll take care of you.
	But what she ends up doing is destroying her on so many levels.
	And she starts by like destroying her shoes, which she created and burning them.
	And this is all kind of without her consent.
	And then she's made to be kind of quiet and isolated.
	And isolation is a big part of this until she's able to like then buy new shoes and she picks these like red, shiny ones.
	And there's enablers in this.
	So there's a man kind of winking at her and saying, Yeah, get these red, shiny shoes, right?
	And she's because she's missing something in her life.
	She has this void she's trying to fill that she had filled before by being independent, by working, you know, and making things of her own, being her own craftsperson.
	And so she gets the new shoes.
	And they're pretty quickly another man, a male comes into the figure, you know, scene.
	And I think there's like some paedophilia kind of stuff happening here too.
	Older man, like there's grooming, you know, going on.
	And he's like, he ends up cursing the shoes to dance to do, you know, tells her to dance.
	And he's playing this music.
	And he represents a devil figure.
	He's got like a red beard.
	And he's interestingly outside of church.
	And the church goers kind of see this happening, but they don't do anything to stop it.
	So there's all this community around not stopping this.
	And she ends up with the shoes dancing her and she can't take them off.
	And they're dancing her through the woods for weeks, you know, and she's starving.
	And eventually, another male comes into the scene and he helps her by cutting her feet off in the shoes with an axe.
	That's how she's freed of the shoes, right?
	So she's ended up being a cripple and she's brutalized.
	She's crippled for life after that and a beggar.
	And that's what her addiction has reduced her to.
	And so that's the parallel.
	That's the analogy I'm using to represent like our relationship with technology now, what's where it's going, and how it's become the it's something now that's telling us what to do.
	It's dictating to us.
	And in many cases, people are actually literally putting on these virtual shoes, virtual reality, you know, headsets and then shoes to help them like dance in virtual reality, right?
	And it's dancing them.
	So it's actually happening.
	In fact, there's also cases of kids gaming for so long they get thrombosis and it's something called gamers' thrombosis.
	They have even having their legs amputated.
	I mean, there have been an 11-year-old boy with his leg amputated because of gaming.
	And so, you know, literally half, literally like having feet cut off, you know, and some extreme cases.
	But unbelievable.
	So that's why I explore all these different.
	So I have a mini-I made that causation.
	It was because he's been sitting at the computer so long that somehow the blood flow cut off to his feet.
	Was that it?
	Yeah.
	So the reason it happens and so I think the reason it happens with there's something called gamer's thrombosis now.
	And it's, you know, thrombosis is where you get blood clots.
	And it's because they're gaming for so many hours.
	They don't, and it's not just that you're sedentary because here's a difference between like being a, I was making an example in my book of like, if you're a convalescent because you're ill and you're in bed for weeks, you don't end up with amputations usually, right?
	I mean, why is that?
	It's because you're going to get up to use the toilet and go to the, you know, you're going to get up when you need to, you know, to even if you can't get up to use the toilet.
	I mean, somebody's going to move you, help you.
	You're trying to get better.
	You're eating when you need to, but people who are addicted to the games are not eating when they need to, not drinking when they need to, not going to the toilet when they need to.
	They're so enthralled.
	Besides that, besides being like just laying down or something, in this case, he may have just been like, actually like had his legs in front of him laying down, sort of, they're in a hyper-aroused state.
	So while your body's immobile, you're like, your blood pressure is going up, you know, like, so these things are happening in your body that are indicating you should be moving and you're not moving.
	And so it has a different effect on your body than if you were just lying down because you're ill, or even if you were just like working at the, you know, sitting a lot and working at the computer, of course, that's not healthy for you to not be moving that much.
	But it's much more extreme when you're, when your body, when you're signaling, when the images and everything is signaling your body to be in a hyper-aroused state.
	I'll just have a brief interjection just for the heck of it.
	So not just young kids, like, but young adults as well.
	This goes back to, I believe, I want to say the late 90s, maybe with me.
	I was in a house with multiple housemates and one of them was a young man.
	He was in the computer scene.
	He actually had a job with, I think, software or something, but he was completely addicted to gaming and chat rooms and all that.
	Plus, his diet, his overall awareness is, I swear to God, just on observation alone, his diet was probably 50 to 75% ice cream and particular bowls of Briars butter pecan with whipped cream.
	I mean, multiple times I would see him come to the kitchen, scoop up bowl of ice cream, put whipped cream on it, go back to his room.
	And I saw this over and over again.
	And literally, I mean, he just, his personality, this guy was just a wreck.
	But yeah, go on.
	I'm sorry.
	Absolutely not just children.
	And I don't have just, this is not, my book is not about just children.
	I know a lot of tech addiction books are focused on children.
	I'm focusing on like everyone, not all those people.
	Certainly adults also susceptible to gamer thrombosis.
	Some of them have died from gaming, from cardiac arrest, a lot of different reasons.
	They die while they're gaming because again, I mean, like you're not taking care of yourself at all during this because you're in this addiction.
	And it's not just gaming.
	So there's social media.
	The thing about the internet today and technology today is there's something for everyone.
	So we all can get like this particular thing, our interest, you know, can turn into something out of control because of the way it's designed.
	And the way it's designed, even just to do research, it's designed to be addiction, addictive.
	And that's the trap, you know, because I've actually this doing this research really opened my own eyes.
	I mean, I've spent a lot of time on the internet researching in the past several years for my various books, you know, doing podcasts.
	And I've learned like what triggers me in terms of like triggering anxiety, you know, making me feel unwell over doing it.
	Not, you know, there's no boundaries there, right?
	So we have to start creating them ourselves.
	And so it could be designed differently as just a research tool.
	It would be a lot like less exciting, right?
	It would be like boring.
	It'd be like going to the library, going through the, you know, microface of the library or something.
	So, this is like it's designed to, you know, there's clickbait, there's flashing colors and lights and music, and, you know, something always distracting you.
	And just the fact that you're being distracted detracts from your ability to absorb the information you're reading to really or at all sometimes, and then to be able to critically think about it.
	And so our brains are being changed away from critical thinking, definitely dumbing us down.
	So there's all these different effects that are happening that I think most of us are unaware of.
	I mean, we see in the extreme examples of like gaming, you know, especially with younger people in our lives, maybe we see that and we see that addiction.
	And that seems more obvious to us, but there's other more subtle ways that it's affecting us that I think we're not really taking stock of and really questioning and trying to make changes.
	And this is like trying to put it in its place.
	You know, this, I have a lot of the theme is like tool versus master.
	Are we master over our tools or the other way around?
	And then how can we change this to go back into its proper place?
	So there is like there's also pornography addiction as a big one and the normalizing of that, you know, and yeah, how children are abused and how it's enabling pedophiles and the dissemination of what they call CSAM,
	which is child sexual abuse material is disseminated on the internet and how kids are really because there's this illusion that parents have and caregivers have that kids are safer when they're inside and online than outside in the world.
	You know, the outside in the world has become like the scary place now.
	You know, and the fact is that predators are not picking up kids off the playgrounds anymore.
	They are picking them up online, you know, pretending to be, they can pretend to be anything.
	They can use pictures of other people and they do, you know, so they lure them in, they get them to, you know, into sexual conversations.
	So they can, it can be through Facebook, it can be through Instagram, it can be through any social media platform, any gaming platform, any forum at all online.
	And it happens a lot.
	Like it's so much more in that, you know, the pandemic heightened this so that the issue of like kids going missing is worse.
	You know, this, I mean, the thing is, all these platforms could prevent this and they don't.
	So that tells you a lot right there about the agendas behind, you know, who's controlling the platforms, why they aren't stopping this.
	On one level, it's just basically that, you know, they have these also the algorithms, how they're designed to the recommended content, like what to view next, and that leads these kids down these, you know, into traps, predator traps, and also down rabbit holes of like self-harm content and things.
	It's like increasing suicide.
	So there's a really dark aspect of, you know, it's designed.
	I think the internet is basically, one of the founders said it would just inherent, it would just be anti-human, even by like it would end up being anti-human, even like if it wasn't intentionally designed that way.
	But I think it was intentionally designed that way because, you know, we look at the history of the internet and its ARPANET was the first, you know, it was DARPA, you know, created the internet.
	It was a military creation.
	And it was like really tied to, I write a lot in my books about cybernetics and cyberneticians.
	If you're familiar with Jim and Paul, do you know much about that history of mind control kind of research?
	You know, the rough timeline starting back with the MK Ultra and the voice to skull technology and all that sort of thing.
	Yes, some, you know, some familiarity, but you obviously have some more to say.
	Yeah, so even predating that, so it really starts with like just investigating like these brain doctors, like they call them, you know, investigating like the brain and what that does.
	And also just how to control man.
	So cybernetician, so there was something called cybernetics.
	It's actually about steering mankind, controlling mankind.
	So cyber comes from the Greek to steer.
	So the cyberneticians had these meetings.
	They called them the Macy's meetings at the Macy building in New York in the 50s.
	And it ranged, it was a decade that they over a period of a decade or no, maybe five years, 10 meetings, but half only half of them, the notes from half of them came to light.
	The other were like secret.
	And it was involving like branches of military, you know, CIA were part of these meetings.
	And the whole question was like, how do we, you know, program humans?
	How do we control them?
	I mean, we're literally openly saying we need to be able to control mankind.
	And they would even say this to the public and they would kind of spin it like, well, because of violence, you know, we need to control violence.
	And violence starts in the brain and it's a brain disease.
	And we just need to, you know, be able to make the world, excuse me, a better place.
	And a lot of this was like, I think it was even as far back as the 30s, there were some doctors planting electrodes in brains and remote controlling people with signals.
	So this has now, you know, just gotten more sophisticated.
	This is basically Elon Musk and his neural, he's calling it telepathy now, his neural link, you know, brain chip.
	He's saying that because AI, we can't, you know, Elon Musk says we can't stop AI.
	He's an AI developer.
	He's like the biggest AI developers.
	He started all these different like AI, open AI, these different companies he started.
	And he's saying we can't stop it.
	So it's going to outpace us.
	It's going to take our job.
	So we have to, in order to not let, you know, in order to not become obsolete, we have to like merge with this.
	I mean, he's a futurist who promotes transhumanism and singular idea of the singularity, merging man with a machine.
	And to order, one of the ways to do that is to get this brain chip, which would make you just as smart as AI.
	And so it can't outpace you.
	And supposedly that's going to work.
	And given the history, and I've looked into this in depth, of these brain doctors doing similar experiments, it does not bode well for the patient.
	It ends up being like a microwave lobotomy, right?
	So they just burn lesions in different parts of the brains and destroy these people, absolutely destroy them, create psychotic.
	I mean, like, you know, people without history of violence become very violent.
	But what they found in their experiments, which is well documented, and there's a lot of video of this, I recommend a movie called The Minds of Men, which was only like a few years old, or when was it 2020 or thereabouts, or maybe before that, that is an excellent documentary, really gets into detail about this.
	But like Jose Delgado is one of these doctors who's famous for putting like electrodes in animals and, you know, monkeys and making them and just remote controlling them, their behaviors, you know, and he controlled like a bull in front of an audience like that was charging him and made it stop charging and turn around.
	And so he was saying it's really easy to control monkeys and animals and humans and that basically you can do it with these radio frequencies.
	And so to me, there's just a relationship between the proliferation of the radio frequencies, wireless technologies.
	And because what he found eventually is you don't need the implants in the brain.
	You can just influence people's emotional states with the frequencies without the implant.
	The implant, you know, take us to another level, I guess.
	But the fact is, we are influenced by these frequencies.
	They're non-native to the planet, and they can be fine-tuned specifically to initiate, to elicit certain behaviors, certain emotions.
	So, that's part of what's happening with technology is that it's like hypnotizes us.
	It changes our emotional states.
	Just being in the fields can do that.
	And then you couple that with the messaging, and you can really mind control people.
	And what the cyberneticians found was that changing man's environment was the easiest way to change him, you know, because we're related, like, because our sensory input, you know, from the environment is like so important to us and we're linked to it.
	And then, if you change that input, then you change the person and you can control them.
	So, cyber, we talk about cyber, everything when we talk about technology and internet, right?
	And nobody really asks what that means.
	They're like, cyber, we're in cyberspace.
	Well, cyber means cyberspace means it's a space that's controlled.
	That's you're being steered, you're being controlled.
	It's all about control.
	And they had, you know, these first doctors, these, you know, people that consider themselves cyberneticians, they consider themselves the ones in positions to make these decisions about humanity that were, you know, better than, that were smarter than, whatever.
	They were the elite, you know, and so, and interestingly, they were collaborating with Russians during the Cold War and given, you know, flown over to Moscow.
	Actually, the other interesting part of this is after Stalin's death, Stalin was against.
	So, Pavlov is the famous Russian who did some behavioral experiments with animals.
	And so, cyberneticians really looked up to Pavlov.
	They basically worshipped Pavlov and they wanted to, and there were Russians that wanted to collaborate with Americans on this research.
	And Stalin was actually preventing that.
	And so, when he died, they were able to get back to collaborating and on these crazy, really invasive experiments.
	They were using unwilling, like volunteers, supposedly volunteers, not volunteers.
	So, unwittingly, sometimes the people they're being experimented on, which is what came, which, you know, Paul mentioned MK Ultra, MK Ultra definitely used some of these same doctors to do work for them.
	And there were collaborations there.
	And that came out in the church Senate hearings in 1974.
	You know, what these how thousands of people like in psych wards and even students or members of the military were experimented on using radio frequencies, using electrodes in some cases with these brain operations, also LSD, lots of different, they used all kinds of drugs.
	I mean, every single drug, even just caffeine, like to see what effects it had on people.
	And one of the main things they did was isolation.
	And so I just was, you know, during the lockdown stuff, which I didn't participate in, but people, a lot of people did, you know, they were so afraid.
	I mean, what one of the things they learned was that you can, if you isolate somebody and you take away external stimuli, you can break this person really quickly.
	And if you especially then are feeding them messaging.
	So people were getting like, thanks to technology, they're getting the news feed 24-7, which wasn't, you know, something they could do before.
	There was the contact tracing, you know, there was all this monitoring and control experiments going on.
	And yeah, like you're, so people became isolated from each other and they became more sucked into the virtual world and more controlled that way.
	Again, cyberspace.
	So this is all like a tool I think that's being used against us and that we need to be more aware of.
	And that's sort of why one of the reasons.
	I mean, the main reason I wrote the book and in such detail.
	So I kind of went on different tangents there.
	I don't know if you, either of you, have questions or comments.
	Great point, Shannon.
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	Okay, no problem.
	Yeah, he dashes away for refreshments, I would imagine.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, it makes sense.
	Your other books, so you said this is the fourth one.
	Yeah.
	So the first one is I co-authored with John Hamer.
	I might be familiar with his work.
	UK author.
	He's done a lot on a lot of geopolitical topics.
	Called Welcome to the Masquerade: Prelude to the Coming Reset.
	That was about the whole behind this candidate, what happened politically there and everything.
	So that came out in 2022.
	And along with that year, I also released my book called Wi-Fi Refugee, Plight of the Modern Day Canary, which is about my, so I'm what they're calling electrosensitive, which really means like microwave injured.
	Used to be called like microwave syndrome or sickness.
	I think we all are.
	We just a lot of times don't know what that is.
	It became to a point my injury is so acute that I became like hyper reactive where I noticed the effects right away and I could feel it, which I think is a blessing.
	So it's really forced me into like changing, making a lot of positive life changes to improve my health.
	And it was just really painful.
	I was living in Washington, D.C. and just was constantly in pain and like migraines and so many problems that I had to get away from it.
	And I eventually were way out here now in the wilderness area, caretaking and off-grid property, Northern California.
	But we had several moves along the way.
	We were in Arizona for several years, me and my partner and our two cats.
	But anyway, we eventually I'm better.
	I mean, I still can't use a cell phone.
	It's very painful to me, which I think is good.
	I have to use wired internet and I have to limit my time just on a computer because the EMFs from the computer can be hard to deal with.
	So I just got into researching that and explaining what that is and telling my story and other people's stories.
	Right.
	If you don't mind, I mean, I don't want to steer you if you have other stuff to cover, but I would love if you have done some of the work or looked into the work of others to tell us about some of the technical biological reasons of why it is harming people.
	I mean, I've heard such things as it can reverse the cell polarity, among others.
	So, yeah.
	I can talk about that.
	And that's actually in my book because the new book too.
	And I actually, I always mention it in every book I've written, also even the one about vaccines, I talk about this problem because it is affecting everybody.
	And I get into details about why.
	And I have a whole chapter on the biological effects of EMFs in my new book because, okay, so I could just simply put, and I'll tell a few different theories or different studies about this, but we have like a natural electromagnetic field and it's called the Schumann resonance, named after, you know, Otto Schuman.
	That's not his first name.
	I think I'm saying that his first name wrong.
	But anyway, a German physicist in the 50s was the first to measure it.
	And he found it to be like at 7.83 hertz.
	But that changes a little, you know, within that kind of range there.
	Interestingly, it's the same as like our alpha brain wave state like matches exactly, which can't be coincidence.
	So it's something that we feel makes us feel good.
	It supports biological life and health on the planet.
	And the man-made fields are basically overpowering that and to such an extent that it's very difficult to even measure the Schumann resonance anymore around the Earth's surface.
	And so, you know, we have people accept now that we have like electrical signaling in our bodies, like our brains and our hearts in particular, you know, work with electrical signaling.
	But there's further research more recent that shows that just the blood moving through our veins uses electromagnetic, you know, chart like polarity, you know, to move.
	So it's like a magnetic, it's like that, you know, like when you have like a magnets and they're opposite polarities, they push away from each other.
	And that's how like blood is moving through your veins.
	It's not the heart pumping, as we're told.
	So that works.
	And yeah, Dr. Tom Cowan gets into that pretty well, explains that.
	So we're having this disruption of our cell signaling, which can do all kinds of things.
	And so one of the, so Dr. Martin Paul, somebody I've interviewed extensively, and he's written a lot, a lot of papers on this.
	There's something called the calcium voltage gated ion channels, or voltage-gated calcium channels.
	Excuse me.
	So there's cal that means that there's like calcium influx in your cells happens because of a voltage, there's a voltage gated kind of thing happening.
	So it's dependent on EMFs.
	And if you have what happens is it's like in a simplistic way to say is like your cells will open, stay open and allow this calcium influx to go on too long because of these fields.
	It's not working in the way it's supposed to.
	And so you have like, you can either have like excessive intracellular calcium or not enough, depending on how that, you know, gets disrupted.
	And that can lead to all kinds of disease.
	So that's one aspect.
	Another more recent study, I included in my new book, is about how why like what I have, you know, is called it's being, I think it's a misnomer and it's to distract from the real cause of the problem here to make me sound like I'm just maybe too sensitive or a little crazy.
	You know, so they're calling it electromagnetic sensitivity or electrohypermagnetic sensitivity.
	So alternatively, it's like abbreviated as EHS or EMS or sometimes ES.
	And I joke that I call it exploding head syndrome because that's what it feels like.
	But the inflammation, so it's an inflammation cascade effect.
	So basically, you have a brain injury and then it cascades into like body inflammation.
	And it's what's been found so far is people who have this injury and where it sends them into like this reactivity.
	So you feel allergic or you feel the effects immediately.
	So like I'll immediately get like head pressure, head pains, body pains around wireless technology in particular, but also like high voltage, you know, power lines or even sometimes too close to a refrigerator or something that has a strong electromagnetic field will cause pain and it causes it immediately for me.
	And this is because I'm not able to compensate for that damage or repair it enough because I've had it such a bad injury.
	So what happens is like most people don't feel this because they're compensating.
	It's not that they're, it's not affecting them.
	It's just that they're still able to compensate for exposures, but that compensation is going to take a toll over time and something is going to give, right?
	So that means like your body's putting all this energy into like trying to write this, you know, trying to like reach a state of homeostasis.
	And then something is not, it's not doing some other job that needs to do.
	So over time, you know, some disease will manifest.
	There's also been evidence of like DNA strand breaks.
	And, you know, so it's live.
	That's proven.
	Yes.
	I mean, this is all from what we accept as like, you know, what our scientific, what, you know, what under a microscope?
	I mean, you could get into arguing, well, that's not really the, you know, there's a compromise there when you're going under a microscope or something changes.
	But even like live blood cell analysis is showing like blood roulette, roulette, roulette, excuse me, effects, which is like blood clumping effects.
	So, and I talk when Dr. Paul explained this to me, he's like, there's a lot of focus on the radiation, like the heating effects, and the industry likes us to look at that because those are not the main effects.
	The problem, there is some, you know, there are heating effects, but the real effects are just because there's coherent and in physics, there's coherent and incoherent energy.
	And the incoherent energy is actually the natural energy, and the coherent is this like man-made.
	And that means it's just really powerful.
	It's just actually the electric and magnetic aspect of like an electromagnetic field that's artificially created is just really powerful.
	And those both the electric and the magnetic fields have an effect on our biology that's detrimental.
	And because of their coherent like polarity, you know, phase of the field of these waveforms.
	And so interestingly, what I also found out in speaking with him is that all the tests, safety tests, are designed, set up to fail because they put like a cell phone in something called a reverberation chamber, which actually alters that back to incoherent energy, the coherent energy to incoherent so that you're going to have minimal effects shown when you're doing the experiments on animals or whatnot.
	You still have effects.
	Interestingly, there's still effects because I don't think they can do that perfectly, but there would be a lot more effects shown if they didn't kind of change that back to incoherent.
	Right.
	They rigged the research shop.
	They rigged it, even for independent researchers, because they just use the standardized model because in order to be taken seriously, even if you're not funded by industry, to be like, even if you're trying to show that there's causing, this is causing harm, you have to use that standard that's accepted in the medical community to get your paper, you know, published, be peer-reviewed and whatnot.
	So you're using that same standard, which is setting up, somebody set it up to fail.
	And even then, it's showing detrimental effects.
	So that just tells you a lot right there.
	Have you seen?
	I'm sure you have, because to me, all you really need to do is, you know, seen as believing, right?
	I mean, we, we, the research is interesting to a certain point, you know, all the technical parts of it, but have you seen the one where they placed two cell phones on either side of a can or bottle of beer or soda, and they have the one cell phone call the other?
	You know, it's like when you see when you see that, you just go, holy shit.
	And of course, tell me what happens with the camera.
	Oh, I'll find the link and I'll send it to you later.
	But it's very, it's very, it's very disruptive to the soda can or the beer bottle.
	It's uh put it that way.
	Cell phones have been such a cultural phenomenon.
	Kids would rather give up their parents than their cell phone.
	I mean, it's incredible.
	Right.
	I do have a quick question for you, Shanna, on a personal note.
	And I mean, you can answer if you feel comfortable about it.
	Are you a smaller person overall in terms of your body mass, your body weight?
	I'm six feet tall.
	So, yeah.
	And I weigh about 150 pounds.
	Okay.
	So, not, I was interestingly, though, I was very underweight.
	So, I was down to 120.
	I'm at a healthy weight now.
	And I was about 120, or I would hover, I'd usually stay around 130, which is still a bit underweight, but sometimes I'd go down one.
	And that interestingly was happening to me in these fields.
	And what I've learned since then is that electromagnetic fields for some people can cause them to lose weight and not be able to gain weight.
	And I'm one of these people.
	And it happens to be like a lot of the sensitive people or those affected that way.
	And I just couldn't figure it out.
	I kept changing my diet.
	Everything I was like, why can't I gain weight?
	And it's only been since I moved fully off-grid that I've been able to gain weight.
	First time in like 30 years, you know, or something.
	So, yeah, yeah.
	And I've seen that with some other people who've been affected that they're very underweight, but not all of them.
	Sometimes it's the other way, you know, they'll be overweight, but there's the metabolism disruption, you know, so it's like either a thing could happen, I think.
	I mean, your thyroid is on, like, it's your almost an exposed gland, you know, it's barely covered.
	And that's getting a lot of this, you know, signal disruption.
	You've got like the blue light effect where the signaling is different from, you know, sunlight.
	And so that has effects on melatonin production.
	And, you know, there's just so many different biological effects that happen.
	And like, but what Jim was touching on, I also really get into like the social aspect of this, like what it's done culturally is incredible.
	And it really is disgust.
	You know, I mean, and so I start off my book and the intro is like just painting and showing, you know, kind of painting this picture of like, it's me coming out of, I surf now, I start surfing since we moved out here.
	And I'm coming out of the ocean and I'm looking around me on the beach.
	And it's like everybody's on the phone.
	They're not looking, they're looking at the phones.
	They're walking their dogs, but they're looking at the phones.
	You know, they're at this beautiful, it's a gorgeous day.
	You know, it's just absolutely stunningly beautiful out here.
	And they're not present.
	And there were two boys that I write about in particular because they were, it really just pulled my attention to them and struck me on a profound level, like just how disturbing this was.
	It's like, so two teenage boys standing together and they kept pulling their phones out of their pockets and like tapping on them and then putting them back again.
	And it was like OCD, you know, like it was so fast.
	They couldn't put the phone down away from their, you know, from their hands or their faces for like more than a minute, like not even a minute, like 20 seconds would pass.
	Shannon, I'll tell you one.
	Maybe you've, maybe you've seen this, but I was probably really aware of this and I would say by the mid to late 2000s, perhaps, but I've seen two people obviously on a date, young man and young woman, both onto their phones, distracted.
	They're like, they're out, like having dinner or whatever, right?
	And they're both looking at their phones, pecking away on their phones.
	And they're on a fucking date.
	It's like they're not interacting with each other, but with our phones.
	No.
	And what sometimes they're texting each other.
	I went out one time.
	I was shocked.
	It's funny.
	I met a woman at a party and it turned out, I found out later that a friend of mine had dated her as well, right?
	But, you know, we kind of just talked, hit it off, mutual attraction, whatever.
	So we made a date, like a dinner date, right?
	During the dinner, she took three different cell phone calls and a cup, two of them were quite lengthy, where she's not like, oh, let me get off the phone here.
	I got to go.
	I'm out to dinner, right?
	No, no, she would just like talk a talk, Just sitting across the table on our first date.
	So I never called her back.
	My family take my cell phone when we go to lunch.
	So I just shut it off and leave it in the car now.
	We go out to another.
	We need to do that.
	Yeah.
	It's like we have to create the boundaries again.
	Like this is not going to create boundaries for us.
	And do you remember?
	So we're all probably old enough here to remember when they first came out.
	And when people first, those who dared answer calls in public or on a train or around other people or in a line were like stared down and or yelled at, or it was considered very rude, very rude to do that.
	Like, and now look at how things have changed to the point where I'm the rude one now.
	If I say, hey, like, what are you doing?
	Taking, you know, like we're having a conversation.
	We're sitting together and you're just going to take a call and you're just going to start texting in front of me.
	And like, you don't think that's a problem?
	You know, like, it's now that's so acceptable now that we're just supposed to deal with it.
	We're just supposed to like, you know, it's part of the overall degradation of society.
	I think a lot of it is on purpose.
	Some of it is as an effect or an after effect.
	But Mona, my pet peeves, I'm not going to say anything because for the most part, I just don't think anything's going to be done about it.
	But it's common now for me to see cashiers at the supermarket on their phone, either in between customers or while they're scanning your items, they'll be looking at their phone.
	It's like, there's no way I would tolerate that if I was a manager.
	No way.
	But apparently it's tolerated because I've seen it all the time where they are on their phone while they're dealing with you.
	In many cases, they don't make eye contact with you.
	It's like it's just ruining human interaction.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, couple that, look at what's we've been, we've just gone under like this total mind control stuff, you know, the last five years, like first the masks and the distancing and then the, you know, more screen time and more technology.
	And like now you have to have your phone with you because you need to be contact traced and you know, just pushing it, pushing it, pushing it.
	And it's just pushing us apart further and further and really destroying cultures all over the world and destroying interactions.
	I mean, on it, it's such, it's so profound and it's so quick, you know, and it's like, and you won't, unless you put your own tether down in a way, you probably hardly notice it.
	You know, it's been so stealthy and so sneakily done.
	And I, I, I didn't know how addicted I'd become until I had to give up my own.
	And this happened more than this is 11 years ago now that this happened where I had to stop using this technology.
	So I've really been like 11 years watching this happen with as somebody who's not using.
	And I'm going to say, you know, we say user because it is a drug, you know, we're users of the technology.
	And it is very much has the same chemical brain changes when you talk about dopamine hits and effects as hard illicit street drugs.
	So it's been compared to digital, it's called digital heroin by some researchers, behavioral cocaine by others.
	And it's, it's so, this is why people aren't seeing it or doing anything about it because they're so addicted.
	And I'm not blaming them.
	It's, it's very addictive and they don't have the awareness, but we need to start having awareness.
	And that's what I'm trying to raise and get people to see it.
	Because if we, I mean, it's just going to get worse, you know, and it's, it's just, you know, tearing apart relationships and families and societies.
	And then you're going to have it get worse on the level that we can't even fathom yet when you've got people wearing like augmented reality glasses and you know, so in mixed reality.
	So I love this.
	They call it mixed reality and augmented reality.
	So augmenting humans, like it's better for us or something, you know, that we're not good enough.
	Like machines are better, computers are better, AI is better.
	We need to join the AI to be able to exist at all.
	And it's already to the level of like people don't really aren't able to exist or function in society without the smartphone and without that having been attached to them.
	So it's really like integrating that into their biologies as the next step.
	I mean, we're starting with the biometric scans for supposedly for security, you know, and then it's just easy to go from there to chips, brain chip, or in your hand or something.
	And then the glasses, and then maybe contact lenses, or then maybe an artificial eye or different artificial parts where you're a cyborg.
	And it's literally, it sounds like a joke or science fiction, but that's exactly what the futurists and they're the ones determining who self, you know, self-proclaimed profits, futurists who want to determine our features for us and have the funding to do that.
	I mean, they have the power right now.
	The wealthiest men in the world are have tech companies.
	You know, they are also, you know, creating AI.
	And we see the explosion of AI in recent months, even since Jesus, just since I was as I was finishing my book and publishing it, I'm like, AI is just popping up everywhere.
	Right now, we're on Zoom.
	It says, chat with AI companion.
	AI companion can answer your questions about this meeting and more.
	You know, AI is our friend.
	They kind of couch it in terms of like AI companion, AI partnership, you know, with your business.
	And already, and like what we're seeing happen first is like any creative person, creative job is being cut because AI can do it faster, better, cheaper.
	You know, even like I've heard somebody sent me a song and they were, I thought it was people singing and it was AI singing.
	It wasn't even, I didn't even notice, you know, and it all sync, it's all synthesized.
	You know, photography, there's models now in fashion that are not people.
	We're looking at what we think are real people and they're created with AI, created images that I am fooled by, that we're fooled by.
	This is happening right now.
	And the thing about this, the rise of this too, that we should really be concerned about is that people aren't aware of the energy needs for using AI, the water resources needed allocated to it, the mining that happens, the human exploitation, the manufacturing, the environmental disaster, is what this is creating.
	And it's happening.
	And it's really going to be about, are we going to allocate all these things we need to humanity or to machines, to robots?
	And it's like the robots sort of seem like they're winning this.
	And so it's not even just about like what we're seeing now is nothing compared to what can happen if we don't kind of wake up and stop it with like, you're not even going to be able to be part of, I can, I can hardly function in society by not having a smartphone.
	I keep getting locked out of everything.
	And next it's in and not being vaccinated.
	And, you know, next it's going to be, well, you can't, I mean, it's really just against humanity.
	All this is against humanity.
	Like you can't be a natural human in this world without you're kind of like that's being vilified.
	Like natural humans who don't genetically alter themselves with what's being called a vaccine and then who don't augment themselves with whatever kind of chip is are like not going to be able to participate and function.
	And you're just going to be locked out, which means even possibly to the point of not being able to feed yourself or clothe yourself because you can't get a job and you can't survive.
	So yeah, just rapid and everywhere.
	And this is what I'm trying to bring home to people, like the threat of this and like how real it is and how imminent it is.
	And we're just going along, not thinking about it because it's like seems convenient to us.
	It seems like a tool, but it's again, like, it's not a tool that we have control over.
	And it's, you know, not really convenient to be sick, disabled, or dead or obsolete as a human.
	Yeah.
	And you're just a sensational guest.
	You have so much important information, so highly relevant, so well-focused.
	You're so articulate.
	Paul, don't you join me in those sentiments?
	Paul's gone.
	There he is.
	I had to unmute.
	Right.
	Well, this is a very large topic and it requires more than just one show with a conversation, which is what we're having now.
	In other words, have you back, Shannon?
	All right.
	I'm sure the presentation is much more thorough and more linear in your book or your books.
	Right.
	And that's kind of what we really need is more of a tutorial for most people because they're just oblivious.
	And we all are addicted.
	I know that I am for sure.
	There's no, I have no doubt about the fact it's difficult for me to, you know, to go a half a day or a full day without interacting with my phone.
	Do you have a PowerPoint, Shannon?
	We can put it on our show.
	I don't yet, but I actually am going to be putting one together for a presentation I'm doing in October, I think.
	So I think that's what they're requiring.
	So if you get back to me when you put it together, we'll do it on you.
	Yeah, that would be great.
	And yeah, I was going to say, one of the things I suggest is just trying to take a day a week, an hour per day, and then a day per week away from your tech and see how you feel.
	And, you know, and see, and that helps you kind of like step back and see what it's been doing.
	So that's what I recommend.
	Well, I repeat, Shannon, you're just a wonderful guest.
	I'm just so happy to have you here today.
	And everything.
	So articulate.
	Your comments on the news, too.
	I want to add that in here.
	But what you're doing is an essential message for the modern world.
	And this idea of technology overwhelming humanity, or even humans' misplaced allocation of resources for robotic activities rather than human activities.
	I'm afraid that you're spot on.
	And the water resources, they're putting up all these data centers, these AI data centers, they have vast water requirements.
	We have communities already complaining they can't get potable water.
	Well, that's a catastrophe, a man-made catastrophe.
	Shannon, thank you for being here, Paul.
	You were excellent.
	Everyone, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about.
	We do not know how much time we have left.
	Use it wisely.
	And as you know, although I'm an agnostic, I nevertheless am now prone to say, God willing, we'll be back on Monday.
	I look forward to seeing you then.
	Support Revolution Radio.
	Have a great weekend.
	Thanks for being here.
	Thanks so much.
	Thank you.

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