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Aug. 23, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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The Raw Deal (22 August 2025) with co-host Paul from CA and special guest, Shannon Rowan
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Not just anybody else, yet someone else.
When I was younger, so much younger than today, I never needed anybody's help in any way.
Now, but now these days are gone, I'm not so selfish.
I'll find the general mind and open up the doors.
Help me if you can, I'm feeling down.
And I do appreciate you being around.
Help me get my feet back on the ground.
Won't you please, please help me?
Co-host Paul from California will be joining shortly.
I'm delighted to have special guest Shannon with me today.
more from her as we proceed.
Meanwhile, The US, Venezuela, Israel, Iran, Russia, China make moves as a pivotal month of September approaches.
September is shaping up to be such a pivotal month.
Right now, major powers all over the globe are positioning themselves for what is to come.
Just when we thought that global peace may be breaking out, it appears a lot more war is on the horizon.
In fact, I just added yet another potential military conflict to the list of stuff I'm going to talk about in this article., ominously, the signs that things could really start breaking loose next month just continue to pile up, even including a potential war between the United States and Venezuela.
Let me add that there's a fascinating report now where hackers have got into the Ukrainian Armed Forces death list.
And they have found that 101,700,000, it wasn't just 150, it was actually 150 million.
I mean, the death toll on the Ukraine side is even higher than we thought.
Here it is.
Hackers, this is from Hal Turner, by the way, who's really on top of things.
Hackers breached Ukraine military, 1.7 million troops lost so far in the war.
Computer hackers got into the general staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Losses amount to 1.7 killed or missing.
According to the Digital Card Index, the losses by year had a total of 1 million 721,000 killed or missing.
Losses by year 2022, 118.500, 2023, 405.400, 2024, 595.0000.
So far in 2025, a record 621,000.
The information was obtained as a result of hacking.
PCs and local networks of the Ukrainian General Staff employees by hackers from KillNet, PlatchPro, UserSec, Barignini.
They now claim to have terabytes of information about the losses, personal data, list of countries supplying weapons, the whole bit.
I think that does a lot to set aside beliefs that have been promoted that Russia has suffered the vast majority of deaths when others of us, including Colonel McGregor, Larry Johnson,
Scott Britter, Colonel Wilkerson have all been reporting and affirming massive loss on the Ukrainian side, which heretofore, I believe amounted to a 1.5, 1.5 million.
It turns out to be 1.7.
Meanwhile, we get further propagandistic reports about agreements to.
security, a safety buffer in Ukraine, UN troops, that sort of nonsense.
Here's the Kremlin making clear no Zelensky, Putin talks on the horizon, zero hedge reporting.
The Trump admin has, coming from the Friday and Monday Ukraine related summits, been touting a direct Putin, Zelensky meeting will happen soon, likely in the coming days or weeks.
But the Kremlin is now downplaying, contradicting the very idea.
No, there is no Putin-Zelensky meeting on the immediate horizon.
Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has made clear.
The Russian president told Trump on Monday that he was open to the idea of direct talks with Ukraine.
But the next day, foreign minister Sergei Lavrov watered down that vague commitment.
Any meeting would have to be prepared gradually, starting with the expert level and thereafter going through all the required steps he said, repeating a frequent non-commitmental Kremlin line.
Dmitry Polyansky, a Russian deputy representative to the UN, told BBC, no one had rejected the opportunity for direct talks, but there shouldn't be a meeting just for the sake of having a meeting.
Paul has now joined us, I'm glad to say.
Paul, I've been reporting, for example, that while there is a possibility of breaks of war all over the world.
place.
Hackers have got into the Ukrainian records and found a total of 1.7 million Ukrainians have died in the war.
Russia, I think, is like 500,000.
In any case, it's huge.
Would you have any thoughts about the matter?
Well, if it's true, it's just horrific.
I mean, you know, and for what, for what purpose?
You know, I can't, I can't see making any more comments other than that.
Yes, yes, yes.
Shannon, would you like to comment?
We like it, come on, man.
Yeah, that's a horrifying number.
I hope it's not true.
I mean, we never, you know, sometimes with the news, it's hard to say, but it is obviously being clear, like just crazy aggression against Ukraine.
Similarly, it reminds me of what's been going on in Gaza again and how that's amplified and all these things happening amplifying at once, you know, obviously with an intention of, yeah, like exploding, just having war everywhere, because, you know, what did we have five years ago?
We had a pandemic, the global pandemic allegedly that we were all focused on that kept everyone in impoverished more and more.
The same effects of war that happened, but we weren't really having these focus on war at the time.
Suddenly there was no terrorist attacks anywhere or anything.
We were all focused on that.
And then when that dies down, it's like we have to have another crisis and another crisis.
And all these crises always are benefiting the elite in power that want to hold their positions of power and are not benefiting people.
And people everywhere are suffering as a result.
So it's just, for me, it's just more a verification that there is like a global elite running the show.
And, you know, so that's just more evidence of that in my mind.
But.
And just quickly, so Shannon, I would observe since you just said that there were no or the terrorist incidents diminished with the pandemic.
So Jim, I would hypothesize that that's because the virus weakened the immune systems of the terrorists and caused them to stay at home.
Well, that's what they seem to imply that that they were on lockdown too.
We've got to make light of things when we can.
I do agree.
Meanwhile, Zero Hedge also reports, and this is the lunatic Lindsey Graham.
I can't believe he's going to plug on Israel.
God's going to pull the plug on America.
I mean, just absolute insanity.
Trump set to crush Russian economy.
If Putin evades Zelensky, Senator Graham.
Republican senator and notorious anti-Russian hawk Lindsey Graham said to Tuesday, he believes President Trump is refuses to meet with Ukrainian President Zelensky in the near future, frankly, I do not believe Putin under any circumstance should meet with Zelensky.
I would be concerned Zelensky would be out to try to assassinate him, frankly, just as we had the incident that received little attention where Nancy Pelosi actually had a poisoned palm for a State of the Union address and had Donald Trump shaken her hand, he would be dead now.
Well, we had lip readers, everyone in the room audience there, the senators and the representatives were talking about what they were going to do politically with Trump deceased.
I could see Zelensky trying to pull such a stunt on Putin.
Meanwhile, the White House has said, after Trump met with Putin in Alaska, and then with Zelensky and European leaders, that the Russian president agreed to a bilateral meeting with the Ukrainian leader, and then, if necessary, there would be a trilateral meeting involving Trump and Putin and Zelensky.
The White House may have said it, but it ain't so.
President Trump spoke with President Putin by phone and he agreed to work on having one of these conferences, you know, another conference.
Here goes.
Meanwhile, Graham, who chairs the Senate Budget Committee, told Trump Tuesday it's Ramadan pushing major bipartisan sanctions targeting Moscow, heavy tariffs on countries that help fund Russia's military.
I don't like any of this.
It's all so coercive.
Russia's thriving, surviving, flourishing, BRICS is moving forward.
The dollar is weakening, the other economies are growing stronger.
Frankly, I believe Trump has completely mismanaged foreign policy.
Shannon, your thoughts?
Yeah, I'm actually just thinking right now about how we've been funding the aggressors in the Middle East with Israel, clearly like causing genocide against Palestinians, yet we seem to be supporting what looks like the underdog in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
And I wonder why.
So, because it's not like about good and bad.
It's about, like, Russia getting too much power and maybe not going along with NATO and what NATO wants, the whole changing the oil to petrol, the euro on the euro instead of the dollar.
So we lost that.
So it's like, you look at the money, excuse me, and the economy behind that and what stands to be lost or gained.
That's what the wars are always about.
And it's not about the humanitarian issue, like we are fed that line about humanitarianism and trying to help people, but really they've got their own agendas.
And obviously Putin hasn't been going along with, I still don't sure why, honestly, it's just so strange in me that like, it seemed like you were saying like Russia was flourishing and they weren't even going along with like lockdown things and it seemed like they were headed in a good direction and, and, and, and, and, you know, NATO and the, you know, global elite didn't like that and they weren't, you know, playing the ball, playing ball like they wanted.
And then, but then why do they go and attack Ukraine?
That just seems like a staged thing to, you know, intend it to create the chaos and the, you know, a way to bring him down.
So that's just do you have any thoughts on that?
Like, I just it's, um, I don't know, you know, it seems like the Ukrainians were lobbing artillery shells into Russian areas for quite a while.
But go ahead Jim, if you want to answer that more.
Yeah.
No, Paul, go right ahead.
You're right.
You're right.
Well, as I understand it, of course, this whole thing has been provoked.
It started out with the so-called another color revolution where the Ukrainian government was replaced with this Jewish homosexual actor, Zelenskyy, and he proceeded to do the bidding of the essentially the Jewish elite, you know, and they're the ones that are running the show.
They always have been.
And I think sometimes the best explanation makes the most sense.
So what people have speculated is that, of course, obviously there's been a historical, shall we say, animosity towards the Russians.
So this is pretty well documented.
And then couple that with the desire to clear out the Ukraine and resettle it, right?
You know, Israel 2.0.
Right.
And you don't have to look much further.
Yeah, that's what my thoughts were initially.
I remember that kind of, I thought there was something where Ukraine actually did start it.
And it reminds me a lot of of World War 2 and Germany and Poland.
I mean, look at what happened there, right?
It was like Britain was behind Hitler.
He was like they loved Hitler.
And it was always going on about Hitler's socialism, how great it was.
And all of a sudden, everything, like maybe he wasn't playing ball with them anymore, and they started this whole thing with Poland.
Because it was actually Poles were attacking and killing Germans on the border.
Oh, okay, good.
So that's a little bit of history here.
Yeah.
And so they provoked that.
And yet, how it ends up being presented to the world is like, oh, Hitler's g just like, it doesn't make any sense.
He's just attacking these innocent people and this invading this country.
And then all of a sudden, like, Britain's behind Poland.
And then it's just so similar to that.
That's what's worried me about this from the beginning is it just like, it looks like the same game again, you know, the same pattern of like, okay, now everyone has to choose a side and then you get the whole world involved and then what happens, you know?
So we are looking at like a World War 3 situation when, when they keep, you know, if they're going to play that game again and it seems like that's what's happening because now everyone's sorry for Ukraine and all the losses there.
You know, so and you're like, well, we have to to support Ukraine, and this is what, you know, how it all escalates, I guess.
I don't know that the fact Ukraine has lost 1.7 million forces in a war it shouldn't be fighting anyway.
You know, they aggravated as Paul was observing, they were artillery barrages in the Donbass.
They killed up to 2,000 by the time of the Russian intervention, which I understand was precipitated by Putin learning they were about to undertake a mass sweep and genocide in the Donbass, parallel to what the Israelis have done in Gaza.
with the Palestinians and he he went in to thwart that and protect the Russian friendly ethnic Russians and all that in the Donbass, Luhansk, Donetsk, the Crimean, of course, and in Zaberzai and Kherson.
And it seems to me Putin has been doing the right thing and he is the good guy and the West and Zelensky and sad to say the United States the bad.
I can't escape that conclusion.
Paul, would you agree?
Yeah, if you want to characterize it that way.
Sure, I don't disagree with any of that or I don't disagree with much of what Shannon just said.
Of course, that whole topic of, you know, World War II and its aftermath and the current world order is a much larger tapestry and there's always, you know, multiple factors at play.
But, you know, essentially, I think that we all have it right.
We can see exactly what's been going on.
And of course, it's all manipulated by the usual suspects.
And their money.
Yes, yes, yes.
And here we have the UK Telegraph.
Russia bombs U.S. factory in one of war's largest attacks.
Russia's struck an American business.
business with cruise missiles overnight, one of the largest aerial tanks of the war so far, Ukraine has reported.
The Ukrainian Air Force said some five hundred seventy four drones and forty missiles were fired overnight, primarily targeting western regions of the country, far from the battlefield front line in the east and the south.
The strike killed only one, injured fifteen, but struck a major American electronic manufacturer in the city of Makachevo in Zakarpatia.
According to Andrei Sebiyad, Ukraine's foreign minister, video footage showed a large fire on the premises of Flex Limited, a multinational firm with headquarters in Texas.
The company manufactures electronic goods, including game consoles, laptop control units for cars and other vehicles.
No doubt, they're providing the instrumentation for the drones.
So this seems to me to be a perfectly appropriate target to take out.
Meanwhile, Trump.
Trump seems to be suggesting that Ukraine should be making more deep strikes into Russian territory.
Get this, breaking.
President Trump says Ukraine had no chance of winning the war with Russia because Biden would not let Ukraine fight back.
Is Trump suggesting Ukraine should start striking Russian territory?
Here's what he put up on true social.
It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invader's country like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense but is not allowed to play offensive.
There's no chance of winning.
It is like that with Ukraine and Russia.
Crooked and grossly incompetent Joe Biden would not let Ukraine fight back, only defend, defend.
How did that work out?
Regardless, this is a war that would have never happened if I were president, zero chance.
Interesting times ahead ball.
I look at that as a threat.
Well, you know, you and I have talked about this ad infinitum on all these different shows.
So, you know, you can't believe anything Trump says.
You know, he's a, you know, what?
What can be said about him?
Okay.
He's a fraud.
He's a shill.
He's a buffoon.
He's a fool.
He cannot be trusted.
And I don't really think he has much agency.
And plus, as you've covered, is it the real Trump?
You know, when you were talking about that Nancy Pelosi story, first of all, I'd like to know, you know, A, how does that work?
What does she have in her hand?
It has to be some device because if she has a substance on her hand, how come it doesn't affectect her and somehow it's going to transfer to Trump?
I mean, that's a that's an interesting little, you know, spy versus spy type of tale.
You know, but the notion of, okay, so that we're going to take out the fake Trump.
I mean, I don't know if Shannon is familiar with your work on this at all, but yeah, we're living in a world of illusion and fraud.
Well, yeah, and I have in my we'll talk in the next hour, I guess, about my new book.
I get into a lot of this about what's going on with AI and all this, all the deception that's really made possible by tech right now.
And you don't know online who's who and what's going on.
And there's all these deep fakes going on, you know, so it's just getting crazier on that level.
Right, and I would wonder too.
I mean, you know, we don't have to branch off, but I see all these fake AI ads using the real image of the real celebrity, and it's obviously AI, and they're talking in the celebrity's voice, but you know, it's not the celebrity, and the celebrity didn't agree to do these ridiculous ads for all the stuff you see on YouTube, right?
So you kind of wonder like, all right, what's going on here?
How come they're not being sued?
And this is technology that is has developed, you know, probably who knows how long before it was released to the public, right?
So I'm sure military had access long before this, and who knows, even with these AI bots that are very convincing and like starting to look more and more like humans with the goal to actually do that to infiltrate and kind of walk among us and have citizenship and you know not to be able to discern who's a robot and who's a human.
I mean, we joked a lot about Biden looking like a robot.
I mean, you know, it's possible.
So maybe he was a robot.
I mean, it's just it's that crazy.
Stranger things have happened.
And here we go.
US To fund 500 million Boeing KC4-USIC tank or aircraft in a deal for Israel, obviously to be used to attack Iran.
Israeli defense minister announced Wednesday it'll be signed a contract to purchase two Boeing made KC forty Zig tanker aircraft in a deal with about five hundred million that'll be funded by US military aid.
In other words, we the taxpayer are going to pay for these two monster tankers so Israel can attack Iran, the greatest peace loving nation on the face of Earth today, which has not launched a war of aggression against any other state since seventeen seventy five.
Who says the US is the ugly American?
Who says we have our head up?
her butt.
This is just grotesque.
Shannon, your thoughts?
Absolutely.
I mean, why do we keep funding Israel?
Again, like, it's clear genocide happening.
I mean, it's just a disgusting, horrific what they've been doing to the Palestinians, especially in this last year, I mean, just really escalated and really in our face, just like before, maybe you could argue, oh, they were being attacked too, or like, you know, people could try to argue against, you know, for what they were doing and defend them.
But it's just been indefensible, like in recent times, really indefensible behavior.
And then we're just going to keep funding them, why?
And again, like, why do they need our help and why don't we really have a say in that?
It seems like it's just, again, taxpayer money.
And, and, and, you know, all of our presidents have, I mean, Trump and Biden have been clear that they support Israel.
And why are we, I mean, I thought it was unconstitutional for us to support a nation.
I don't know.
I guess people forget that.
You mentioned the word constitution.
I love it.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Why, why, why, Shannon?
We keep doing this with Israel and we don't get anything out of it.
Weird, weird, huh?
It's kind of like, who's really running our country then?
Are we a sovereign nation?
I think that we're the horse in Israel.
Israel is the rider.
That's just the way it is.
We're the dog and they hold the leash.
And, you know, there could be no doubt about it.
And pay no attention to Jeffrey Epstein, as Trump said.
Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
Come on.
Get over it already.
Wow.
Yeah.
There we go.
An Israeli committee has approved a settlement expansion plan that Smode Ridge says erases a Palestinian state.
We'll be right back with Paul and Shannon right after this break.
Thank you.
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An Israeli committee Wednesday gave final approval.
for the construction of about 3,400 housing units for the expansion of an illegal settlement in the Israeli-occupied West.
Bank, a step that Israeli finance minister Benzeal Smotrich said erases a Palestinian state.
The housing units will be constructed as part of the controversial E one settlement project, which has been frozen for decades due to international opposition.
Since it will essentially split the West Bank in two, Smotrich, who also holds a position in the Defense Ministry, claims that gives authority to expand settlements, first announced the plan last week.
The Israeli settlement watchdog Greek Peace Now said that the vote by the higher planning committee of the civil administration, a defense ministry department for final approval of the construction came at a record speed, as scheduling usually takes much longer.
Of course, they're going to do everything they can to wipe out not only Gaza, but the West Bank in the shortest possible time.
They're upset that there's so much international opposition, but that is exactly what they're about, and they have no intention of delaying or holding back.
Meanwhile, here we have a report from Coronavirus News.
Netanyahu funded Hamas and enabled October 7 as a pretext, no reason to expect anything but genocide in Gaza invasion.
We got a photograph here of a starving child in Gaza, grim.
The question at Auschwitz, tell me, where was God in the answer?
William Styron.
But of course Auschwitz was a fable, it was mythology.
In all the camps combined, only 296,081 died altogether, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross.
And that included gypsies, the infirm.
But of course, these were labor camps.
They did use Cyclone B to kill body lice.
Let's not stray too far, Jim.
I know that's a whole Yeah, I'm aware of that as well.
There's a lot of.
Yeah, no.
Dezinformation.
I'm sorry.
Sorry, I didn't know.
We go back years here.
Jim has a tendency to start on a subject and just go down that road, marching down that road with all his knowledge, which is impressive, that's for sure.
Well, we get it.
Reporting on the paywall June 2025, Israeli newspaper Harad's article.
It's a killing field.
IDF soldiers are to shoot deliberately at unarmed Gazans.
waiting for humanitarian aid.
Common dreams, right?
Israeli Defense Force commanders are to shoot and shell aid-seeking Palestinian civilians in Gaza, even when they posed no threat, according to IDF officers and soldiers interviewed by Israel's oldest daily newspaper, at some point here, they talk about the creation of the October 7 event, which I think was pretty obvious in the beginning.
There was something wrong.
They had these videos of Hamas hang gliding over the wall.
Same time we had former IDF the very day reporting this as ridiculous because the wall is so sensitive.
If a bird craps on the wall, the IDF knows.
And we have all the reports of IDF being told to stand down for five to seven hours so they could create a pretext for the slaughter of all the Palestinians.
Shannon, it's just breathtaking the brutality, the crudity, the savagery of the Israelis led by this madman, this sadistic monster, Netanyahu.
It breaks your heart.
It does.
And like you said, the world is really opposed to this violence and genocide and why isn't it stopping then?
Why isn't the world stopping it?
It seems like the people of the world are opposed to it.
And that just shows us again how powerless we are because this isn't what, you know, I don't think this is what the people want and is heartbreaking, but yeah.
So Jim, go back to that picture, if you don't mind, one with the Israeli, two Israelis looking at the map, you know, with the one with the Yamaka.
It was a couple of links back.
Yeah.
Settlement expansion.
Yeah, that's like that.
That's the picture worth a thousand words.
Right.
Yeah.
It's that one.
No, above that one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
There you go.
That's it right there.
I mean, we don't really need to.
I mean, words are not necessary when you see that couple of Jews carving up your land.
You know, it's just, and again, I'm sure Shannon has not read Jewish Supremacism by David Duke.
And I know Jim, you haven't read it either.
But I mean, he covers this essentially.
You know, this is, it's not unique to them.
Okay.
But I mean, they just happen to be running the show now with their.
money and the political intrigue and the blackmail and everything else we've always covered.
But there's always been and there always will be a territorial imperative.
And if you're not strong enough to withstand whatever comes your way, then you're going to lose.
As I've made this point over and over again, the Germans were absolutely correct in their assessment of what they called the natural order and that nature is unkind to the weak.
And they reward the dominant, they reward the strong, and they reward nature, by the way.
The world seems to reward the aggressive.
Just the way it is.
Until the average person can get that through their heads, we're going to continue to be, you know, be fumbled by, well, why things are a certain way.
Well, it's because, you know, we're not strong enough to enforce our will.
And or we don't have political leadership that will do so.
And they are, they are bribed, they are blackmailed, they are compromised.
And in many cases, they're the worst sorts of human beings.
OK, you know, besides the obvious Zionist shills, we have super dysfunctional people, homosexuals and, you know, every kind of.
Paul.
Meanwhile, a burning platform suggests the Middle East, a decisive battleground of World War III.
Now, personally, I think it's going to be Ukraine.
I don't believe, in fact, World War III is going to break out in the Middle East initially, but I will not be remotely surprised if it extends to the Middle East.
Here's what Burning Platform has to say.
It's important to recognize that world orders are nothing new.
World orders have been the framework through which major global powers set the rules of the game.
They define the structure of international political relations.
Thinking in terms of world orders requires zooming out entirely, taking the geopolitical view from 40,000.
On a smaller scale, it's similar to how the most powerful criminal organizations in a city, such as mafias and street gangs, form agreements to divide their activities and territories among themselves.
Eventually, though, these arrangements always break down, leading to violent power struggles until a new agreement is reached, reflecting the shifting balance of power.
A similar dynamic is at play with the most powerful countries, world orders, and world wars., world orders as apex, distinct historical periods marked by evolving global power structures.
This is a very comprehensive article talking about Abyss of Westphalia, the Congress of Vienna, the Treaty of Versailles, the current US-led world order, 1945 to today.
We'll pick it up there.
The victors of World War II created the current world order with the US as its leader.
This system includes institutions like the United Nations, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund, all headquartered in the U.S. This world order has largely been unipolar with the U.S. exerting significant influence over international policies and decision-making.
World War III.
Well, many don't realize World War III is already underway.
Let me explain.
Total war.
between the world's largest powers that reshuffled the international order defined the previous world wars however with the advent of nuclear weapons, total war between the largest powers today, Russia, China and the US, means a nuclear Armageddon where there are no winners and only losers.
That could still happen, despite nobody wanting it, but it's not the most likely outcome.
World War III is unlikely to be a total war between the world's largest powers, like the previous world wars.
Instead, the conflict is playing out on different levels.
Proxy wars, economic wars, financial wars, cyber wars, biological warfare, deniable sabotage information.
information warfare in that sense.
World War III is already well underway, though most fail to recognize it.
I think he's making a nice point.
Paul, your thoughts?
Oh, sorry, I was muted there.
I don't know that I could add much to what you just said.
This is all, you know, people just...
pontificating and hypothesizing to write articles for content.
I mean, I think we can all clearly see the direction that all the so-called Western nations are taking, which is toward...
And of course, that's not a pleasant prospect for white people because we all know that they hate us.
I mean, I think they hate people in general.
I think mostly they're misanthropes, which I can understand me walking around every day seeing what I see.
I completely understand misanthropy.
But I certainly don't want to be the victim of these people.
And that's what they're going to do.
That's their plan.
They're working on it.
And they're not going to give up and they never will give up until they're dead.
That's just the way it is.
Shannon, your thoughts?
Yeah, I can see I've been saying since especially the beginning of 2020 that, yeah, it's already happening in these other ways that are, had the same effects or even worse than, like, if you think about World War two and the people's individual freedoms, they had more than people had under the lockdown policies.
They could go out, they could still go out to a bar, socialize with people, you know, do their jobs, go to work when they could, when they weren'tt actively bombed on.
Nobody was trying to take completely, like, take their freedom away or jobs away in that sense.
So we've had like worse effects than some of these previous wars, you know, just using technology and using fear and using this, these global institutions that are dictating, you know, like the pandemic was sort of like, well, this is more important than your rights and we can override your individual liberties.
We can override your state constitutions.
Right.
Because of this supposed threat.
And that should never happen.
And it did.
And it's amazing how far reaching that was.
I mean, absolutely shocking.
And people, I think, still, I don't know, they've, uh, we've gotten conditioned or they haven't really accepted how bad that's been and what the after effects have been and will continue to be.
And a lot of this has to do with the rise of, you know, technology being used as a tool of oppression to be able to do this on such a vast level and to imprison us on that level.
So, um, it's, I think it is going on in a myriad of ways.
And there's been a lot of attacks on food, um, which always happens in war as well.
And it's like that has been.
massive and that has been like using the germ theory and virus narrative, a bird flu.
I mean, people don't see that often that and they may not have access to the news of how, you know, millions and millions of chickens, you know, are being slaughtered, you know, pigs, chickens, cows, like all the meat sources of food.
I mean, just in the just incredible, incredible attacks on food in so many different ways, the GMOs, you know, Bill Gates buying up farmland.
So we see like these different ways of imprisoning us that are happening that usually happen with war.
So, I mean, that seems to me like that is war.
And we're living under those kind of effects.
But, and scarier to me is than the nuclear threat really is like these new kind of smart technology being used for warfare, for military weapons.
We've got like, you know, just AI, I mean, robots and drones.
And, you know, I mean, it's just on this level that's just inconceivable and pretty frightening.
But yeah.
Right.
Paul, do you want to add?
No, I not not much, not much to add to that except for I think we've all seen the Terminator series of movies and they're going to try to achieve Skynet.
I really do think that's something that they are.
It was like a premonition.
If they could pull something like that up, they will.
Yeah.
Caitlin Johnstone, really smart gal.
Here she's got a piece.
The US treats Israeli pedophiles nicer than wounded Palestinian kids.
No doubt about it.
Here's a bit of.
The US treats Israeli pedophiles nicer than wounded Palestinian kids.
Notes from the edge of the narrative matrix.
Anti-War has a story out right now with the headline, Representative Green, US should let Gaza children in for medical treatment and prosecute Israeli child predators.
It's a headline that says so much about what's going on in the world in just a few words.
Is the US really not letting Gaza children in for medical treatment?
Is the US really failing to prosecute Israelis who prey on children?
Why are these things necessary to say?
And why is it being left to Marjorie Taylor Green to say them?
What's crazy is that these are entirely true and legitimate grievances, as Anti Wars Dave Decamp explains.
Quote, the Georgia representative was referring to a recent State Department decision to block visas for Palestinians from Gaza in response to outrage from pro Trump activist Laura Loomer over wounded Palestinian children arriving for medical treatment,
and the case of Tom Alexandrovich, a senior Israeli cyber official, who was arrested in a sting operation in Nevada for attempting to lure a child for sexual purposes but was allowed to go back to Israel end quote.
I mean, damn.
Things are so fucked up that the only way to get wounded Palestinian children in and out of the United States for medical treatment these days would be to disguise them as Israeli pedophiles.
Israel apologists are still trying to make the We're not starving children, we're starving sick children line work.
Barry Weiss's media outlet, The Free Press, has a new genocide apologia article out, noting that twelve of the emaciated children we've seen in photos distributed by the mainstream press have had pre existing conditions like cystic fibrosis, rickets, or other serious ailments.
This argument is exactly the same as starting a fire in a crowded building and then claiming you can't be guilty of murder by arson because many of the people who died in the fire were handicapped and elderly individuals who couldn't escape quickly enough.
Everyone knows that the people who suffer first and worst in a famine are small children, the elderly, and the sick.
As others have pointed out, it really shows how desperate the Israel spinmeisters are getting that they would cite rickets as a pre existing condition in their argument to dismiss concerns about starvation in Gaza, given that rickets is a condition caused by malnutrition.
Israel, we have to kill all the journalists in Gaza because they're Hamas.
Western journalists.
Okay, so let us in, so at least someone's there to report on what's happening in Gaza.
Israel, we can't, it's not safe for you.
Western journalists.
Why not?
Israel, because then you'd be Hamas.
Saw a tweet from former Israeli Prime Minister Naptali Bennett complaining that Europe is becoming Islamized, fearmongering about the number of Muslims who now live in some of Europe's major cities.
Israelis are something else, man.
They don't want Muslims to live in the Middle East.
They don't want Muslims to live in Europe.
Kind of seems like they just don't want Muslims to live.
The New York Post has an article out with the headline Queen's Bodega named Gaza Delian Grill ignites fear among Jewish New Yorkers, including October seventh survivor saying, I'm still not safe.
It's just as ridiculous as it sounds.
There's a bodega in New York called Gaza Delian Grill.
and Jewish locals are saying it makes them feel unsafe.
This happens as an active genocide continues in Gaza, with Israel calling upon sixty thousand IDF reservists in preparation for the planned ethnic cleansing of a million civilians from Gaza City.
Whenever you see the Western press centering the feelings of Western Jews with extreme aggression, it's a safe bet that Israel has something especially ugly in the works.
The plan has always been to pace us from it's a complicated conflict and Hamas attacked on October seventh and gosh, you sure are.
obsessed with Jews, to Well, it's too late to do anything about it now.
To Oh, come on, Gaza was so long ago and there's nothing we can do to change the past.
It really seems to have taken the Empire by surprise that the public has not played along with this.
They really expected us to forget about Gaza within the first few weeks and let it fade into the background.
The fact that the outcry has only gotten louder says encouraging things about ordinary members of the public and about the future of the human species.
I like that.
I think that was extremely good, Shannon, your thought.
Yeah, that was excellent.
Yeah, that's true, very true.
And yeah, it's good though that the public isn't playing along, you know, and forgetting and going along with this, as it seems like we usually do.
And I think one reason is because he touched on how, you know, this kind of Muslim immigration invasion that's happening all over Europe.
And why is it happening?
Because they're being thrown out of their lands.
You know, they're being bombed out of their lands.
You know, the refugees are not.
in some cases.
I just think it's interesting how the orchestrators of the wars will create a situation where there's these refugees that have to go somewhere, and I think this is intentional, and then you kind of make them go to certain countries that you want to destabilize culturally or something, you know, and so it's like another invasion.
Well, it's a racial agenda, Shannon.
They're funding them and doing it on purpose, so I would imagine very few so-called Muslim immigrants are the result of the bombs fell in their town, you know, so I mean, it's a nice narrative and everything, and I've heard it before, but the bottom line is as a As a white person, as a white nationalist, I really don't care what happens to these people.
And I certainly don't, we certainly don't want more of them coming here because it's going to be a disaster, just like it's becoming a disaster in these smaller European countries where they're projecting that by 2040 or 2050, that 75% of school age children in France will be non French.
Yeah, it's shocking how quickly it's happened.
I mean, I Well, yeah, because they have like two or three wives and, you know, four, five, six children, you know, minimum.
You know, in some cases, you know, they'll have eight children or more between a couple of wives.
So.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, it's immigration policy.
Like you said, it's not just refugees.
It's that's kind of like the pretense, but I can't as a white person immigrate to these countries, to European countries, my ancestors come from.
I can't.
And I've tried, I've looked into this before and I can't, I can't immigrate almost anywhere, I can't immigrate to anywhere except for, you know, South America or Central America, where they're starting to really hate gringos and kill them.
You know, so it's kind of like, where do we go?
Right, exactly.
Well, that's why that's what quickly pushed me.
Once I once I first heard the term white nationalism, probably back in the late 90s and I just said, oh okay, what is that?
And started and then pretty quickly you come to certain conclusions, you know, just based upon the numbers.
And, you know, they estimate now we're eight to ten percent of the population.
Supposedly in 1900 we were twenty to twenty five percent of the world's population.
And so, yeah, it's just, it's a recipe for, and no matter what people say or whatever sensitivities they have.
you know, even some of the more brain dead white liberals can open their eyes and look around and see what's occurring and see exactly who these people are.
And they're not, they're not, they're not Americans of a different skin color and you know, that's just it's an absurd idea.
But anyway, I just quickly, I laugh at the idea that the Gaza deli upsets the Jewish people.
I want to go there and open a string of pizza places, we'll call it Auschwitz Pizza and you know, come in, you know, have a little tagline say, we got the we got the best ovens.
Come on in.
You know, see if see if that upsets these people.
We were looking at before the White House intervened at Netanyahu's request of free Israeli child rape was in the US.
A bombshell report reveals the White House intervened at Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's urgent request to secure a swift release of Tom Adrian Alexandrovich, one of Netanyahu's top cyber warfare officials accused of child rape in the US, allowing the suspect to flee back to Israel just days after his arrest in a high profile sting operation.
This brazen act of diplomatic favoritism has sparked outrage, exposing potential deep state complicity and shielding foreign elites from justice for heinous crimes against American children.
Now I've heard but not had the confirmation.
Donald Trump himself personally intervened to direct this guy's release.
Absolutely unbelievable.
When we come back from the break, Shannon will have the mic.
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He's the greatest monster in the world.
I'll defer to that.
He's made many other gestures, but this idea of intervening on behalf of a rapist to allow him to escape to Israel because Netanyahu asked him, that is repulsive.
Paul, your thoughts?
I'm sorry, I had to unmute there.
I'm sorry, I got distracted.
You know, I heard comments about Netanyahu being a monster and so on and so forth.
So, let's go back to the story, Paul, about the White House intervening to release this Israeli boy.
Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry about that.
Yeah.
No, of course, this is nothing new.
I mean, this has been going on for many decades.
In fact, David Dewe covered it covered it in his books that he wrote about this, and that was back in, what, the late nineties or early 2000s and, you know, even before that.
So it's a well-known thing that Israelis get a pass.
I mean, you know, look at today, right?
I mean, these people were still trying to tell us that Leo Frank was not guilty and that he was lynched due to anti-S Semitism.
I mean, these people, it's like, I'll repeat the theme.
I'm sure Shannon is uncomfortable maybe or not with it, it doesn't matter, but I've said over and over again that history has proven that you can't have these people amongst you.
That's why historically they were ostracized to their own ghettoes and their own settlements.
I mean, the term pale settlement, I'm sure Shannon is knowledgeable.
She knows where that came from.
There's a reason why these people have always been cordoned off.
Okay.
They lived in the Jewish quarter.
You know, why did, why was there a Jewish quarter?
Well, because they didn't want, the rest of the people didn't want to have to interact or deal with them.
And again, we see now what occurs when you let them have political power, financial power, so on and so on and so on.
It's just it's it's it's awful.
It's nothing as earlier was alluded to by Shannon and others.
It's not what we want.
You know, the people don't ever seem to get what they want.
Shocker.
But anyway, I'm very interested in Shannon's material.
And this is a subject that's kind of near and dear to me.
So, yeah, it's all hers.
Go ahead.
All right.
Well, yeah, you know.
And this really heavy topic of child molestation and rape, I do cover a bit in my new book because unfortunately, yeah, our leaders today are involved in this.
They are not.
We could get away with it repeatedly.
As we said, you said earlier, Jim, about Trump just saying, Why's our Bay going on about Epstein?
Can't we forget about that now?
Which was interesting because I thought that he was, a lot of people believe in this QAnon Trump thing that we're, he was going to take down all the, you know, expose all the pedophiles and get them out of office and everything.
And like, everything would change then.
And I didn't, I didn't actually believe that was going to happen.
And we're seeing it's not happening, you know, unfortunately.
And it's like, yeah, there's been a history, a recent history of, you know, the people in power.
tied to pedophilia and pedophilia rings.
And this has actually been enabled as well.
The reason it's in my book at all.
So my book is called My Newest Book.
I have four out.
And one we talked about, last time I was on your show, we talked about my book called Shots Fired, Vaccine Weapons, Medical Tyranny and the War Against Humanity.
And the title kind of says it all.
This one, another big, six hundred and something pages, small print book called The Red Shoes, Our Devil's Dance with Technology and How We Can Stop It.
Now the Red Shoes I chose as a title because there is a chapter here I have called The Red Shoe Club, and that gets into the kind of dark aspect of technology enabling pedophilia and harming children.
And one of the questions I ask about our use of technology today and where we're going with it is, is it making our lives better?
Are we happier?
Are we healthier?
Are we wealthier?
Are children protected better?
And they're not.
They're more vulnerable and more exposed than ever before.
And it's like, so we have to start asking ourselves questions like that.
And I think the reason I wrote this and the reason for the title really is about the fable.
And I don't know if you're familiar with the Red Shoes Fable, Jim or Paul.
Remind us.
Okay.
Yeah.
So Hans Christian Anderson popularized this one.
And it's about, it's basically about dancing out of control.
It's about the tool versus master reversal.
So your tools, your shoes, you know, very fundamental tool that we create takes over the wearer.
And in this case, it's a young girl.
She's an orphan living in the woods, but she's doing okay.
She's kind of made her own life, fashioned her own red shoes.
They're crude, but she's basically hav happy and fulfilled because she's independent and she's sovereign.
But along comes this gilded carriage one day with an older woman in it who is part blind.
And this is all symbolic.
It's like her intuition is blind in this moment.
And the gilded carriage is like represents this escapism for us, we get tired of doing things ourselves and we seek and often seek the easy way out.
And so here comes the temptation of and it's a form of addiction.
So there's this temptation to give our cares away to something else.
And that's what technology promises us today, is like, we're going to, I'm going to take care of you of us now, do everything for us.
You don't have to work anymore.
You don't have to think anymore is what it's getting to, right?
And so the guild at carriage comes along and the woman says, You can just come home with me.
You won't have to work anymore.
I'll take care of you.
But what she ends up doing is destroying her on so many levels.
And she starts by like destroying her shoes, which she created, and burning them.
And this is all kind of without her consent.
And then she's made to be kind of quiet and isolated.
And isolation is a big part of this until she's able to like then buy new shoes.
And she picks these like red shiny ones.
And there's enablers in this.
So there's a man kind of winking at her saying, Yeah, get these red shiny shoes, right?
And she's because she's missing something in her life.
She has this void she's trying to fill that she had filled before by being independent, by working, you know, and making things of her own, being her own craftsman.
And so she gets the new shoes and they're pretty quickly another man, a male, comes into the figure, you know, scene and I think there's like some pedophilia kind of stuff happening here too.
An older man, like there's grooming, you know, going on.
And he's like, he ends up cursing the shoes to dance to do, you know, tells her to dance and he's playing this music and he represents a devil figure.
He's got like a red beard.
And he's interestingly outside a church and the churchgoers kind of see this happening, but they don't do anything to stop it.
So there's all this community around not stopping this.
And she ends up with the shoes dancing her and she can't take them off.
And they're dancing her through the woods for weeks, you know, and she's starving.
And eventually another male comes into the scene and he helps her by cutting her feet off in the shoes with an axe.
That's how she's freed of the shoes, right?
So she's ended up being a cripple and she's she's brutalized.
She's crippled for life after that and a beggar.
And that's what her addiction and her has reduced her to.
And so that's the parallel.
That's the analogy I'm using to.
to represent like our relationship with technology now, where it's going and how it's become, it's something now that's telling us what to do, it's dictating to us.
And in many cases, people are actually literally putting on these virtual shoes, virtual reality headsets and then shoes to help them like dance in virtual reality, right?
And it's dancing them.
So it's actually happening.
In fact, there are also cases of kids gaming for so long they get thrombosis and it's something called gamer's thrombosis.
They have even having their legs amputated.
I mean, they's been a 11-year-old boy with his leg amputated because of gaming.
And so, you know, literally happen, literally like having his beat cut off, you know, in some extreme cases, but.
Unbelievable.
So that's why I explore all these different.
So I have a mini-topic.
I may have missed the causation, it was because he's been sitting at the computer so long that somehow the blood flow cut off to his feet.
Was that it?
Yeah.
So the reason it happens and so I think the reason it happens with, there's something called gamer's thrombosis now.
And it's, you know, thrombosis is where you get blood clots.
And it's because they're gaming for so many hours.
They don't, and it's not just that you're sedentary, because here's a difference between like being a I was making an example in my book of like, if you're a convalescent because you're sick and you're in bed for weeks, you don't end up with amputations usually, right?
I mean, why is that?
It's because you're going to get up to use the toilet and go to, you know, you're going to get up when you need to, you know, to even if you can't get up to use the toilet.
I mean, someone's going to move you, help you.
You're trying to get better.
You're eating when you need to.
But people who are addicted to the games are not eating when they need to, not drinking when they need to, not going to the toilet when they need to.
They're so enthralled.
But besides being like just lying down or something, in this case he may have just been like actually had his legs in front of him lying down, sort of.
They're in a hyper aroused state.
So while your body is immobile, your blood pressure is going up.
So these things are happening in your body that are indicating you should be moving and you're not moving.
And so it has a different effect on your body than if you were just lying down because you're ill or even if you were just like working at the, you know, sitting a lot and working at the computer.
Of course, that's not healthy for you to not be moving that much.
But it's much more extreme when you're when your body when you're signaling when the movement isn't working.
and images and everything is signaling your body to be in a hyper aroused state.
That's what we're doing.
And I'll just have a brief interjection just for the heck of it.
So, and not just young kids, like, but young adults as well.
This goes back to, I believe, I want to say, the late nineties, maybe with me.
I was in a house with multiple, you know, housemaids and one of them was a young man, he was in the computer scene.
He actually had a job with, I think, software or something, but he was completely addicted to gaming and chat rooms and all that.
Plus, you know, his diet, his overall awareness is, I swear to God, just on observation alone, his diet was probably fifty percent to seventy five percent ice cream and particular bowls of Briar's butter pecan with whipped cream.
I mean, multiple times I would see him come to the kitchen, scoop up bowl of ice cream, put whipped cream on it, go back to his room.
And this I saw this over and over again.
And literally, I mean, he just, his personality, this guy was just a wreck.
But yeah, go on.
I'm sorry.
Absolutely not just children.
And I don't have just, this is not, my book is not just children.
I know a lot of tech addiction books are focused on children.
I'm focusing on like everyone, not all of them.
Certainly adults, also susceptible to this type of thing.
Some of them have died from gaming, from cardiac arrest, many different reasons.
They die while you're gaming because again, I mean, like you're not taking care of yourself at all during this because you're in this addiction.
And it's not just gaming.
So there's social media.
The thing about the internet today and technology today is there's something for everyone.
So we all can get like this particular thing, our interest, you know, can turn into something out of control because of the way it's designed and the way it's designed, even just to do research, it's designed to be addictive.
And that's the trap, you know, because I've actually done this right now.
This doing this research really opened my own eyes.
I mean, I've spent a lot of time on the internet researching in the past several years for my different books, you know, doing podcasts.
And I've learned like what triggers me in terms of like triggering anxiety, you know, making me feel unwell, overdoing it.
No, you know, there's no boundaries there, right?
So we have to start creating them ourselves.
And so it could be designed differently as just a research tool.
It would be a lot like less exciting, right?
It would be like boring.
It would be like going to the library, going through the, you know, microfiche of the librarybrary or something.
So this is like it's designed to, you know, there's click bait, there's flashing colors and lights and music and, you know, something always distracting you.
And just the fact that you're being distracted detracts from your ability to absorb the information you're reading to really or at all sometimes and then to be able to critically think about it.
And so our brains are being changed away from critical thinking, definitely dumbing us down.
So there's all these different effects that are happening that I think most of us are unaware of.
I mean, we see in the extreme examples of like gaming, you know, especially online.
Especially with younger people in our lives, maybe we see that and we see that addiction and that seems more obvious to us, but there's other more subtle ways that it's that it's affecting us that I think we're not really taking stock of and really questioning and trying to make changes.
And this is like trying to put it in its place, you know, this I have a lot of the theme is like tool versus master.
Are we master over our tools or the other way around?
And then how can we change this to go back into its proper place?
So there is like there's also pornography addiction is a big one and the normalizing of that, you know, and yeah, how children are.
abused and how it's enabling pedophiles and the dissemination of what they call CSAM, which is child sexual abuse material is disseminated on the internet and how kids are really because there's this illusion that parents have and caregivers have that kids are safer when they're inside and online than outside in the world.
You know, the outside in the world has become like the scary place now.
And the fact is that predators are not picking up kids from the playgrounds anymore.
They are picking them up online.
um, online, you know, pretending to be they can pretend to be anything.
Um, they can use pictures of other people and they do, you know, so they lure them in, they get them to, you know, into sexual conversations.
So they can it can be through Facebook, it can be through Instagram, it can be through any social media platform, any gaming platform, any forum at all online.
And it happens a lot, like it's so much more in that, you know, the pandemic heightened this.
So that the issue of like kids going missing is worse.
You know, this, I mean, the thing is all these platforms could prevent this and they don't.
So that tells you a lot right there about the agendas behind, you know, who's controlling the platforms, why they're not stopping this.
On one level, it's just basically that, you know, they have these also the algorithms, how they're designed to the recommended content, like what to view next, and that leads these kids down these, you know, into traps, predator traps, and also down rabbit holes of like self-harm content and things.
It's like increasing suicide.
So there's a really dark aspect of, you know, it's designed, I think the internet is basically, one of the founders said it would just inherent, it would just be antihuman even by, like it would end up being antihuman even if it wasn'tt intentionally designed that way.
But I think it was intentionally designed that way because, you know, we look at the history of the internet and its ARPANet was the first, you know, it was DARPA, you know, created the internet.
It was a military creation.
And it was like really tied to I write a lot in my books about cybernetics and cybernetics.
If you're familiar with Jim and Paul, do you know much about that history of mind control kind of research?
Do you know the rough timeline starting back with the MKUltra and the voice to skull technology and all that sort of thing.
Yes, some, you know, some familiarity, but you obviously have some more to say.
Yeah, so even pre dating that.
So it really starts with just investigating like these brain doctors, like they call them, you know, investigating like the brain and what, you know, that does and also just how to control man.
So cybernetician, so there was something called cybernetics.
It's actually about steering mankind, controlling mankind.
So cyber comes from the Greek to steer.
So cyberneticians had these meetings.
They called them the Macy's meetings at the Macy building in New York in the 50s and it ranged it was a decade that they over a period of a decade or no, maybe five years, ten meetings, but only half of them, the notes from half of them came to light.
The other were like secret and it involved like branches of military, you know, CIA were part of these meetings and the whole question was like how do we, you know, program humans?
How do we control them?
I mean, we're literally openly saying we need to be able to control mankind and they would even say this to the public and they would kind of spin it like well because of violence, you know, we need to control violence and violence startedts in the brain and it's a brain disease and we just need to be able to make the world, excuse me, a better place.
And a lot of this was like, I think it was in even as far back as the 30s, there were some doctors planting electrodes in brains and remote controlling people with signals.
So this has now, you know, just gotten more sophisticated.
This is basically Elon Musk and his neural, he's calling it telepathy now, his neural link, you know, brain chip.
He's saying that because AI, we can't, you know, Elon Musk says we can't stop AI.
He's an AI developer.
He's like the biggest AI developers.
He started all these different AI, open AI, these different companies he started.
And he's saying, we can't stop it.
So it's going to outpaced us.
It's going to take our jobs.
So we have to in order not to let, you know, in order not to become obsolete, we have to like merge with this.
I mean, he's a futurist who promotes transhumanism and singularity, the idea of the singularity, merging man with machine.
And to order, one of the ways to do that is to get this brain chip, which would make you just as smart as AI.
And so it can't outpaced you.
And supposedly that's going to work.
And given the history, and I've looked into this in depth of these brain doctors doing similar experiments, it doesn't bode well for the patient.
It ends up being like a microwave lobotomy, right?
So they just burn lesions in different parts of the brains and destroy these people, absolutely destroy them, create psychotic, I mean, like, you know, people without history of violence become very violent.
but what they found in their experiments, which is well documented, and there's a lot of video of this, I recommend a movie called The Minds of Men, which was only like a few years old or when was it, twenty twenty or thereabouts or maybe before that, that is excellent documentary, really gets into detail.
about this, but Jose Delgado is one of those doctors who was famous for putting electrodes in animals and monkeys and making them and just remote controlling them, their behaviors.
He controlled like a bull in front of an audience that was charging him and made it stop charging and turn around.
And so he was saying it's really easy to control monkeys, animals and humans and that basically you can do it with these radio frequencies.
And so for me there's just a relationship between the proliferation of the radio frequencies wireless technologies.
And because what he found eventually is you don't need the implants in the brain.
You can just influence people's emotional states with the frequencies, without the implant.
The implant, you know, takes us to another level, I guess.
But the fact is we are influenced by these frequencies.
They're nonnative to the planet and they can be fine tuned specifically to initiate to elicit certain behaviors, certain emotions.
So that's part of what's happening with technology is it's like hypnotizes us.
It changes our emotional states.
Just being in the fields can do that.
And then you couple that with the messaging and you can really mind control people.
And what the cybernetics found was that changing man's mind environment was the easiest way to change him, because we're related, like, because our sensory input, you know, from the environment is like so important to us and we're linked to it.
And then if you change that input, then you change the person and you can control them.
So cyber, we talk about cyber, everything when we talk about technology and internet, right?
And nobody really asks what that means.
They're like cyber, we're in cyberspace.
Well, cyber means cyberspace means it's a space that's controlled.
That's you're being steered, you're being controlled.
It's all about control.
And they had, you know, these, these first doctors, these, um, These people that consider themselves cybernetics, they consider themselves the ones in position to make these decisions about humanity that were better than, that were smarter than, whatever.
They were the elite.
And so, and interestingly, they were collaborating with Russians during the Cold War and given, you know, flown over to Moscow.
Actually, the other interesting part of this is after Stalin's death, Stalin was against.
So Pavlov is the famous Russian who did some behavioral experiments with animals.
And so cyberneticians really looked up to Pavlov.
They basically like, worship Pavlov.
And they wanted to, and there were Russians that wanted to, like, collaborate with Americans on this research.
And Stalin was actually preventing that.
And so when he died, they were able to get back to, like, collaborating and on these crazy, really invasive, you know, experiments.
They were using, you know, unwilling participants like volunteers, opposite volunteers, not volunteers.
So unwillingly, you know, sometimes the people they're being experimented on that which is what came which, you know, Paul mentioned MKUltra.
MKUltra definitely used some of these same doctors to do work for them.
And there were collaborations there.
And that came out in the church senate hearings in 1974.
You know, how thousands of people in psych wards and even students or members of the military were experimented on using radio frequencies, using electrodes in some cases with these brain operations.
Also LSD, lots of different, these all kinds of drugs.
I mean, every single drug, even just coffein, like to see what effects it had on people.
And one of the main things they did was isolation.
And so I just was, you know, during the lockdown stuff, which I didn't participate in, but people, a lot of people did, you know, they were so afraid.
I mean, what, one of the things I learned was that you can, if you isolate someone and you take away external stimuli, you can break this person really quickly.
And if you especially then feed the messaging.
So people were getting, thanks to technology, they're getting the news feed 24/7, which wasn't, you know, something they could do before.
There was the contact tracing, you know, there was all this monitoring and control experiments going on.
And yeah, like you're so people became isolated from each other and they became more sucked into the virtual world and more controlled that way.
Again, cyberspace.
So this is all like a tool, I think, that's being used against us and that we need to be more aware of.
And that's sort of why one of the reasons, I mean, the main reason I wrote the book and in such detail.
So I kind of went on different tangents there.
I don't know if you, either of you have questions or comments.
Great point, Shannon.
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shanna we have an empty chair it will it will fill here shortly okay no problem he dashes away for refreshments i would imagine oh yeah well that makes sense your uh your your other bookoks, so you said this is the fourth one?
Yeah.
So the first one is I co-authored with John Hamer.
You might be familiar with his work.
UK author.
He's done a lot on a lot of geopolitical topics called Welcome to the Prelude to the Coming Reset that was about the whole behind the scandemic, what happened politically there and everything.
So that came out in 2022.
And along with that year, I also released my book called Wi-Fi Refugee, Plight of the Modern Day Canary, which is about my So I'm what they're calling electrosensitive, which really means like microwave injured, used to be called like microwave syndrome or sickness.
I think we all are.
We just still have a lot of things that we don't know about.
Yeah, it came to a point my injury is so acute that I became like hyper reactive where I noticed the effects right away and I could feel it, which I think is a blessing because it's really forced me to like changing, making a lot of positive life changes to, you know, improve my health.
And it was just really painful.
I was living in Washington, DC and just was constantly in pain and like migraines and so many problems that I had to get away from it.
And I eventually we were way out here now in a wilderness area, caring off grid property in Northern California.
But we had several moves along the way.
We were in Arizona for several years, me and my partner and our two cats.
But anyway, we eventually I'm better.
I mean, I still can't use a cell phone.
It's very painful to me, which I think is good.
I have to use wired internet and I have to limit my time just on a computer because the MFs from the computer can be hard to deal with.
So I just got into researching that and explaining what that is and telling my story and other people's stories.
Right.
If you don't mind, Adam, I don't want want to steer you if you have other stuff to cover, but I would love if you have done some of the work or looked into the work of others to tell us about some of the technical biological reasons of why it is harming people.
I mean, I've heard such things as it can reverse the cell polarity among others, so yeah, but I could talk about that.
And that's actually in my book because the new book too.
And I actually I always mention it in every book I've written, so also even the one about vaccines, I talk about this problem because it is it's affecting everyone and I get into details about why.
And I have a whole chapter on the biological effects of EMFs in my new book because okay so I could just simply put and I'll tell a few different theories or different studies about this but we have like a natural electromagnetic field and it's called the Schumann resonance named after you know Otto Schumann.
I might that's not his first name.
I think I'm saying that his first name wrong.
But anyway, a German physicist in the 50s was the first to measure it and he found it to be like at 7.83 hertz.
But that changes a little within that kind of range there.
Interestingly, it's the same as like our alpha brain wave state matches exactly, which can't be a coincidence.
So it's something that makes us feel good.
It supports biological life and health on the planet.
And the man made fields are basically overpowering that.
And to such an extent that it's very difficult even to measure the Schumann resonance any more around the Earth's surface.
And so we have people accept now that we have like electrical signaling in our bodies.
Like our brains and our hearts in particular, you know, work with electrical signaling.
But there's further research, more recent, that shows that just the blood moving through our veins uses electromagnetic, you know, like polarity, you know, to move.
So it's like a magnetic, it's like that, you know, like when you have like a magnets and their opposite polarities, they push away from each other.
And that's how like blood is moving through your veins.
It's not the heart pumping, um, as we're told.
So that's how that works.
And yeah, so Dr. Tom Cowen gets into that pretty well.
Explains that.
Um, so.
So we're having this disruption of our cell signaling, which can do all kinds of things.
And so one of the, um, so Dr. Martin Paul, someone I've interviewed extensively.
And he's written a lot, a lot of papers on this.
There's something called the calcium voltage gated ion channels, or voltage gated calcium channels, excuse me.
So there's that means that there's like calcium influx in your cells happens because of a voltage, there's a voltage gated thing happening.
So it's dependent on EMAPs.
And if you have what happens is it's like in a simplistic way to say it's like your cells will open, stay open and allow this calcium influx to go on too long because of these fields.
It's not working in the way it's supposed to.
And so you have like, you can have like excessive intracellular calcium or not enough, depending on how that, you know, gets disrupted.
And that can lead to all kinds of disease.
So that's one aspect.
Another more recent study I included in my new book is about how why like what I have, you know, is called it's being, I think it's a misnomer and it's to distract from the real cause of the problem here to make me sound like I'm just maybe too sensitive or a little crazy.
You know, so they're calling it electromagnetic sensitivity or electro hyper magnetic sensitivity.
So alternatively, it's like abbreviated as EHS or EMS or sometimes ES.
And I joke that I call it exploding head syndrome because that's what it feels like.
But the inflammation, so it's an inflammation cascade effect.
So basically you have the brain injury and then it cascades into like body inflammation.
And it's what's been found so far is people who have this injury and where it sends them into like this reactivity.
So you feel allergic or you feel the effects immediately.
So like I'll immediately get like head pressure, head pains, body pains around wireless technology in particular, but also like high voltage, you know.
power lines or even sometimes too close to a refrigerator, something that has a strong electromagnetic field will cause pain and it causes it immediately for me.
And this is because I'm not able to compensate for that damage.
So, or repair it enough because I've had it, such a bad injury.
So what happens is like most people don't feel this because they're compensating.
It's not that they're, it's not affecting them.
It's just that they're still able to compensate for exposures, but that compensation is going to take a toll over time and something is going to give, right?
So that means like your body's putting all this energy into like trying to.
to like trying to write this, trying to like reach a state of homeostasis and then something is not, it's not doing some other job that needs to do.
So over time, you know, some of the disease will manifest.
There's also been evidence of like DNA strand breaks and, you know, so it's live, uh, that's proven.
That's proven.
Yeah.
I mean, this is all from what we accept as like, you know, what our scientific, what, you know, what under a microscope.
I mean, you could get into arguing, well, that's not really, you know, there's a compromise there when you're going under a microscope or something changes.
But even like live blood cell analysis is showing like blood roulette, roulette, roulette, excuse me, effects, which is like blood clumping effects.
So, and I taught when Dr. Paul explained this to me, it's like, there's a lot of focus on the radiation, like the heating effects.
And the industry likes us to look at that because those are not the materials.
main effects.
The problem that there is some, you know, there are heating effects, but the real effects are just because there's coherent, and in physics there's coherent and incoherent energy.
And the incoherent energy is actually the natural energy, and the coherent is this, like, man made.
And that means it's just really powerful.
It's just actually the electric and mag magnetic aspect of an electromagnetic field that's artificially created is just really powerful.
And those both, the electric and the magnetic fields have an effect on our biology that's detrimental.
And because of their coherent, like polarity, you know, phase of the field of these waveforms.
And so interestingly, what I also found out in speaking with him is that all the tests, the safety tests, are designed, set up to fail because they put like a cell phone in something called a reverberation chamber, which actually alters that back to incoherent energy, the coherent energy to incoherent so that you're going to have minimal effects shown and, you know, when you're doing experiments on animals or whatnot.
You still have effects, interestingly, there's still effects because I don't think they can do that perfectly, but there would be a lot more effects shown if they didn't kind of change that back to incoherent.
Right, they rigged the research showing that.
They rigged it even for independent researchers because they just use the standardized model because in order to be taken seriously, even if you're not funded by industry to be like, even if you're trying to show that this is causing this is causing harm, you have to use that standard that's accepted in the medical community to get your paper published, be peer reviewed and whatnot.
So you're using that same standard, which is setting up, someone set it up to fail, and even then it's showing detrimental effects.
So that just tells you a lot right there.
Have you seen, I'm sure you have, because for me, all you really need to do is, you know, seeing is believing, right?
I mean, we, the research is interesting to a certain point, you know, all the technical parts of it, but have you seen the one where they place the two cell phones on either side of a can or bottle of beer or soda and they have one cell phone call the other?
You know, it's like, oh right.
When you see that, you just go, holy shit.
And of course, the focus.
Tell me what happens with the can.
I'll find the link and I'll send it to you later, but it's very, it's very disruptive to the soda can or the beer bottle.
Let's put it that way.
You know, cell phones have been such a cultural phenomenon.
Kids would rather give up their parents than their cell phone.
I mean, it's incredible.
Right.
I do have a quick question for you, Shannon, on a personal note.
And I mean, you can answer if you feel comfortable about it, but are you a smaller person overall in terms of your body mass?
Your body weight?
I'm six feet tall.
So yeah, and I weigh about 150 pounds.
Okay.
So not I was interestingly though, I was very underweight.
So I was down to 120.
I'm at a healthy weight now.
And I was about 120 or I would hover, I'd usually stay around 130, which is still a little underweight, but sometimes I'd go down to 100.
And that interestingly was happening to me in these fields.
And what I've learned since then is that electromagnetic fields for some people can cause them to lose weight and not be able to gain weight.
Right.
And I'm one of those people.
And it happens to be like a lot of the sensitive people are those affected that way.
And I just couldn't figure it out.
I kept changing my diet, everything.
I was like, why can't I gain weight?
And it's only been since I moved fully off grid that I've been able to gain weight.
First time in like thirty years, you know, or something.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
And I've seen that with some other people who have been affected, that they're very underweight, but not all of them.
Sometimes it's the other way.
You know, they'll be overweight.
But there's a metabolism disruption.
You know, so it's like, either thing could happen, I think.
I mean, your thyroid is on, like, it's your almost an exposed gland.
You know, it's barely covered.
And that's getting a lot of this, you know.
You know, signal disruption.
You've got like the blue light effect where The signaling is different from, you know, sunlight.
And so that has effects on melatonin production.
And, you know, there's just so many different biological effects that happen.
And like, but what Jim was touching on, I also really get into like the social aspect of this, like what it's done culturally is incredible.
And it really is Oh my God.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, and so I start off my book and the intro is like just painting and showing, you know, kind of painting this picture of like it's me coming out of I surf now.
I start surfing since we moved out here.
And I'm coming out of the ocean and I'm looking around me on the beach.
And it's like everybody's.
on the phone.
They're not looking.
They're looking at the phones.
They're walking their dogs, but they're looking at the phones.
You know, they're at this beautiful, it's a gorgeous day.
You know, it's just absolutely stunningly beautiful out here and they're not present.
And there were two boys that I write about in particular because they were, it really just pulled my attention to them and struck me on a profound level, like just how disturbing this was.
It's like, so two teenage boys standing together and they kept pulling their phones out of their pockets and like tapping on them and then putting them back again and it was like OCD.
You know, like it was so fast they couldn't put the phone down away from their.
their, you know, from their hands or their faces for like more than a minute, like not even a minute, like twenty seconds would pass.
Shannon, I'll tell you one.
Maybe, maybe you've seen this, but I was probably really aware of this and I would say by the mid to late 2000s, perhaps, but I've seen two people obviously on a date, young man and young woman, both on their phones distracted.
They're like, they're out, like having dinner or whatever, right?
And they're both looking at their phones, pecking away on their phones, and they're on a fucking date.
It's like they're not interacting with each other but with their phones.
No, and what sometimes they're texting each other.
I went out once, I was shocked, it's funny, I met a woman at a party and it turned out, I found out later that a friend of mine had dated her too, right?
But you know, we kinda just talked, hit it off, mutual attraction, whatever.
So we made a date, like a dinner date, right?
During the dinner, she took three different mobile phone calls and a couple, two of them were quite lengthy, whereas she's not like, Oh, let me, let me get off the phone here.
I have to go.
I'm out to dinner, right?
No, no, she would just like, Doc, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, with me just sitting across the table on our first date.
It's just, yeah.
My family, I'm sorry.
They're going to take my cell phone when we go to lunch.
So I just turn it off and leave it in the car.
Yeah, we go to another one.
We need to do that.
Yeah.
It's like we have to create the boundaries again.
Like this is not going to create boundaries for us.
And do you remember, so we're all probably old enough here to remember when they first came out and when people first, those who dared to answer calls in public or on a train or around other people or in a line were like stared down and or yelled at or it was considered very rude, very rude to do that.
Like, and now look at how things have changed to the point where I'm the rude one now.
If I say, hey, like, what are you doing?
Taking, you know, like we're having a conversation.
We're sitting together and you're just going to take a call and you're just going to start texting in front of me.
And like, you don't think that's a problem.
You know, like it's now that's so acceptable now that we're just supposed to deal with it, we're just supposed to, like, yeah, it's part of the overall degradation of society.
I think a lot of it is on purpose, some of it is as an effect or an after effect.
But one of my pet peeves, I'm not going to say anything because for the most part, I just don't think anything's going to be done about it.
But it's common.
now for me to see cashiers at the supermarket on their phone either in between customers or while they're scanning your items, they'll be looking at their phone.
It's like, there's no way I would tolerate that if I was a manager.
No way.
But apparently it's tolerated because I've seen it all the time where they are on their phone while they're dealing with you.
In many cases, they don't make eye contact with you.
It's like, it's ruining human interaction.
Absolutely.
I mean, couple that, look at what's we've been, we've just gone under this total mind control stuff, you know, the last five years, like first the masks and the distancing and then the, you know, more screen time and more technology.
And like, now you have to have your phone with you because you need to be contact traced and, you know, just pushing it, pushing it, pushing it.
And it's just pushing us apart further and further and really destroying cultures all over the world and destroying interactions.
I mean, it's such, it's so profound and it's so quick.
And it's like, and you won't, unless you put your own tether down in a way, you probably hardly notice it.
It's been so stealthy and so sneakily done.
And I didn't know how addicted I'd become until I had to give up my own.
And this happened more than this is eleven years ago now that this happened where I had to stop using this technology.
So I've really been like eleven years watching this happen as someone who's not using.
And I'm going to say, you know, we say user because it is a drug.
You know, we're users of the technology and it is very much, has the same chemical brain changes when you talk about dopamine hits and effects as hard, illicit street drugs.
So it's been compared to digital, it's called digital heroin by some researchers, behavioral cocaine by others.
And it's, it's so, this is why people are not seeing it or doing anything about it because they're so addicted.
And I'm not blaming them.
It's it's very addictive and they don't have the awareness, but we need to start having awareness and that's what I'm trying to raise and just get people to see it because if we I mean, it's just going to get worse, you know, and it's it's just, you know, tearing apart relationships and families and societies and then you're going to have it get worse on a level that we can't even fathom yet when you've got people wearing like augmented reality glasses and you know, so in mixed reality.
So I love this.
They call it mixed reality and augmented reality.
So augmenting humans like it's better for us or something, you know, that we're not good enough.
Like machines are better, computers are better, AI is better.
We need to join AI, you know, to be able to exist at all.
And it's already to the level of like people really aren't able to exist or function in society without the smartphone and without that having been attached to them.
So it's really like integrating that into their biologies is the next step.
I mean, we're starting with the biometric scans for supposedly for security, you know, and then it's just easy to go from there to chips, brain chip or in your hand or something.
And then the glasses and then maybe contact lenses or then maybe an artificial eye or different artificial parts where you're a cyborg.
And it's literally, it sounds like a joke or science fiction, but that's exactly what the futurists and they're the ones determining who self, you know, self proclaimed profits, futurists who want to determine our future for us and have the funding to do that.
I mean, they have the power right now.
The wealthiest men in the world are have tech companies.
They are also, you know, creating AI.
And we see an explosion of AI in recent months, even just since I was just finishing my book and publishing it, I'm like, AI is just popping up everywhere.
Right now we're on Zoom.
It says chat with AI companion, AI companion, AI companion can answer your questions about this meeting and more.
You know, AI's our friend.
They kind of couch it in terms of like AI companion, AI partnership, you know, with your business and already and like what we're seeing happen first is like any creative person, creative job is being cut because AI can do it faster, better, cheaper.
You know, even like I've heard somebody send me a song and they were I thought it was people singing and it was AI singing.
It wasn't even I didn't even notice, you know, and then it all sync, it all synthesized, you know, photography.
There's models now in fashion that are not people we're looking at.
what we think are real people and they're created with AI, created images that I am fooled by, that we're fooled by.
This is happening right now.
And the thing about this, the rise of this, too, that we should really be concerned about is that people aren't aware of the energy needs for using AI, the water resources needed allocated to it, the mining that happens, the human exploitation, the manufacturing, the environmental disaster, you know, is what this is creating and it's happening.
And it's really going to be about, are we going to allocate all these things we need to humanity or to machines, to robots.
And it's like the robots are seeming like They're winning this.
And so it's not even just about like what we're seeing now is nothing compared to what, you know, can happen if we don't kind of wake up and stop it with, like, you're not even going to be able to be part of I can hardly function in society by not having a smartphone.
I keep getting locked out of everything and next and not being vaccinated.
And, you know, next it's going to be, well, you can't.
I mean, it's really just against humanity.
All this is against humanity.
Like, you can't be a natural human in this world without you're kind of like that's being vilified.
Like natural humans who don't genetically alter themselves with what's being called a vaccine and then who don't, you know, augment themselves with whatever kind of chip is like, not going to be able to participate and function and you're just going to be locked out, which means even possibly to the point of not being able to feed yourself or clothe yourself because you can't get a job and you can't, you know, survive.
So, um, yeah, just rapid and everywhere.
And this is what I'm trying to bring home to people, like the threat of this and like how real it is and how imminent, you know, it is.
And we're just going along, not thinking about it because it's like seem seems convenient to us.
It seems like a tool, but it's again, like it's not a tool that we have control over.
And it's, you know, not really convenient to be sick, disabled or dead or obsolete as a human.
Canon, you're just a sensational guest.
You have so much important information, so highly relevant, so well focused.
You're so articulate.
Paul, don't you join me in those sentiments?
Paul's gone.
There he is.
I had unmute.
Right.
Well, this is a very large topic and it requires more than just one show with a conversation, which is what we're having now.
In other words, I'm sure the presentation is much more thorough and more linear in your book or your books.
And that's kind of what we really need is more of a tutorial for most people because they're just they're oblivious and we all are addicted.
I know that I am for sure.
There's no I have no doubt about the fact it's difficult for me to go a half a day or a full day without interacting with my phone.
Do you have a PowerPoint, Shannon?
We can put it on our show.
I don't yet, but I actually I'm going to be putting one together for a presentation I'm doing in October, I think.
So I think that's what they're requiring.
So once you get back to me when you put it together, we'll do it on the day.
Yeah, that would be great.
Yeah, and I was going to say, one of the things I suggest is just trying to take a day, a week, an hour per day and then a day per week away from your tech and see how you feel and you know and see and that helps you kind of like step back and see what it's been what I recommend.
Well, I repeat, Shannon, you're just a wonderful guest.
I'm just so happy to have you here today and everything.
Thank you.
So articulate.
Your comments on the news too.
I want to add that in here.
But what you're doing is an essential message for the modern world.
And this idea of technology overwhelming humanity or even humans misplaced allocation of resources for robotic activities rather than human activities, I'm afraid that you're spot on and the water resources they're putting up all these data centers, these AI data centers that have vast water requirements.
We have communities already complaining they can't get potable water.
That's a catastrophe, a man made catastrophe.
Shannon, thank you for being here.
Paul, you were excellent.
Everyone, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about.
We do not know how much time we have left.
Use it wisely.
You know, although I'm an agnostic, I nevertheless am now prone to say God willing will be back on Monday.
I look forward to seeing you then.
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