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Aug. 9, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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The Raw Deal (8 August 2025) with co-host Paul from CA, Monique Lukens and Maj. Thomas Haviland
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help you get my feet back on the ground won't you bear Well, this is Jim Petzer, your host, and I'm getting my stories in place.
I got a great guest for you today, Tom Havilland, who's a former Air Force major.
He was a defense contractor.
He's done a lot of work on Covid.
And I think what he's got to report to us is going to blow you away.
Meanwhile, we got a lot of stories for the day.
If I can only get them featured properly, these things happen in this modern day of technology and internet communication.
And of course, I'm your host right here on The Raw Deal on Revolution Radio Studio B this 8th day of August 2025.
We have beginning a NATO knockout in Odessa.
Pretty fascinating stuff.
Take a look.
Take a listen.
listen A powerful explosion tore through a suspected weapons warehouse in Odessa, leveling what sources claimed was a major stockpile of missiles, and leaving behind a scene of chaos, emergency evacuations, and whispers of NATO involvement.
The strike, reportedly carried out by Russian forces, obliterated the depot in what pro Russian sources describe as a precision hit.
Sergei Lebedev, coordinator of the pro Russian Nikolaev Underground, told Russian state outlet RIA Novosti that a large weapons depot was destroyed, they say, with missiles.
The statement points to a significant blow to Ukraine's military logistics in the Black Sea port city, long considered a strategic hub in Kiev's southern defence line.
But it wasn't just a warehouse.
In a separate strike, Russian forces allegedly targeted a temporary deployment site housing foreign mercenaries.
According to Lebedev, the facility hosted a mix of international fighters.
There were Latinos, but there were also Europeans, he said, and crucially, they say there were active officers from NATO countries.
The aftermath reportedly triggered a rapid extraction effort.
Some of the wounded were flown out by helicopters, while others were transported by ambulances.
The strikes came amid a nighttime air raid alert in the Odessa region, as shown on the live map of Ukraine's Ministry of Digital Transformation.
Local media later confirmed explosions in the city, underscoring the intensity of the operation and growing pressure on Ukraine's southern defenses.
Russia's military command has consistently framed its operations as calculated retaliatory responses to Ukrainian attacks on civilian infrastructure.
According to RIA Novosti, Moscow claims it is employing high precision air, sea and land-based weapons, as well as drones aimed exclusively at military targets and defence industrial sites.
If corroborated, the strikes mark one of the most serious escalations in recent weeks, not only for the scale of military losses, but for the reported presence of foreign personnel, potentially drawing NATO deeper into a conflict it has so far tried to keep at arm's length pretty
fascinating stuff.
I think having Tom here as a former Air Force officer, he would agree with me that this is a major development.
Tom, we lost your video.
There we go.
I believe this is the same assaults are related when Russian Special Forces captured.
A UK colonel, a lieutenant colonel and a MI6 agent, which is devastating to NATO claim that it's not directly participating in the war against Russia.
Your thoughts?
You know, I have not been following this war very much, doctor Fetzer, because I've been focusing on this horrific side effect of the COVID-19 vaccines.
But I'm just, I'm perplexed at how long this has gone on and how involved this is.
And I understand why people, Americans, are afraid of us getting more and more involved in this effort.
Because it just seems like it's going on forever.
And, you know, NATO is doing some strange things.
Russia is doing some strange things.
So is Ukraine.
What's your feeling on it?
Because this, I think, is all very bizarre, the way it's unfolding.
Oh, Bob.
The whole thing was misconceived using the Minsk agreements as a cover to beef up Ukraine.
They actually thought, Tom, that they could destroy Russia, that they could defeat it and parcel it up and roughly exploit its natural resources, which at one point Vladimir Putin acknowledged to be estimated in value at 88 trillion.
That the bankers, financiers and politicians salivating over the idea of exploiting Russia.
What they didn't understand was that Russia had all along been concerned about NATO attempting to do what it's doing now through Ukraine in a proxy war and had excellent military contractors who weren't driven by profits to produce substandard equipment so they could get maintenance contracts that would double or triple their take.
Instead, they produced the highest quality weapons in the world.
They got the best missiles.
They got the best anti-missile missiles.
They got the best anti-ship missiles.
They got the best anti-submarine torpedoes.
Frankly, the war is lost.
Ukraine has already suffered over one and a half million dead, Russia about ten percent, about 150,000, Russia is prepared to continue to advance.
But what they've done here, I think, is a devastating blow.
Part of that rebound, of course, was hitting a depot that seemed to be loaded with missiles that Ukraine, i.e.
NATO, was going to use against Russia.
Russian intelligence is very, very good.
So what troubles me is that Trump, you know, he came in promising to end these Stubbat wars.
He could have ended Ukraine with a stroke of a pen.
Hegseth, Secretary of Defense, actually cut off weapons and bombs.
I think, believing that was actually Trump's policy, which he then reversed, Trump himself reversed.
So I'm sorry to say, he appears to be so much under the influence of what's sometimes called the Khazaran mafia, which wants to make Ukraine the new Israel.
It looks like they want to fight to the bitter end, but the bitter end, Tom, is a nuclear war, and I guarantee you, while there will be no winners, Russia cannot be defeated.
I mean, that's a situation.
Not only that, but Mendev, who reminded Trump that he ought not to believe that only Mossad has the videos of his immoral activity, meaning Russia has them as well, has also reminded him about reckless nuclear war rhetoric and that Russia has a dead hand program whereby if Moscow were decapitated, their missiles are going to.
launch anyway automatically.
And while there are those in the West who are skeptical, Scott Ritter has confirmed its existence where he, as a UN's weapon inspector, has actually inspected parts of the dead hand system.
So Trump, I'm sorry to say, appears to be very ignorant, poorly informed, not capable of good judgment.
There's so much more to be said there.
But I believe the way he is mishandling his foreign policy has been virtually catastrophic.
Any thoughts of yours in response if you were to take what I've said for granted?
No, I like understand to some extent why Russia didn't want NATO to take Ukraine in as a member.
I I understand them wanting to have Ukraine as a buffer between them and the rest of NATO, the same way that we weren't really happy when Castro put missiles, the Soviets put missiles in Cuba.
You know, we said, Hey, back off.
That's too close.
I I understand, you know, and that's what I thought Trump was going to do, was going to say, Okay, let's end this thing.
Ukraine is not going to become a member of NATO.
We're going to keep them as a buffer zone between Russia and the rest of Eastern and Western Europe, and they would be done with that, and the aggression levels would go down.
So I'm perplexed, just like you are, that they continue to support this effort in Ukraine.
And it, you know, to me, it's a, it can lead to very dire consequences, as you say.
Yes, I'm sorry to say, very dire consequences indeed.
Let me see if I can reconstruct where we are here.
That report was simply excellent.
Meanwhile, here's another report from Sonar 21, Trump seems to have zero interest in stopping the war in Ukraine.
I've included the latest cartoon from Nemo because it simply tells a terrible story, but there is, it's not the theme of the piece, although Trump's envoy, Steve Whitcoff, had a pleasant meeting with Vladimir Putin.
Donald Trump's actions today seem designed to sabotage any chance for a negotiated settlement of the war in Ukraine.
Trump celebrated Whitcoff's meeting with this truth socialist.
My special envoy, Steve Whitcoff, just had a highly productive meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Great progress was made.
Afterwards, I updated some of our European allies.
Everyone agrees, this war must come to a close, and we will work toward that in the days and weeks to come.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
But Tom, that doesn't indicate any concrete steps toward an agreement.
We know what Russia wants, no NATO.
We want they want to maintain all the territory they've already claimed.
They want demilitarization, denazification.
Here we have Larry Johnson, who's one of the best commentators in the top four in my judgment along with Colonel McGregor, Scott Ritter, and Colonel Wilkerson.
Let's hear what Larry Johnson has to say.
There was some hope that possibly there could be a breakthrough today ahead of Friday's August deadline to where Trump is going to make a decision whether he's going to impose additional tariffs on Russia, secondary sanctions on a lot of other partners to try and compel Russia to go against their own interests with an unconditional ceasefire.
The odds were pretty low against that, but the way things are shaking out today, those odds just about fell off the table and they don't even exist.
And we're going to talk a little bit about how we got to this position here and what the two sides, and we're talking primarily about Russia and the United States, Trump and Putin, what they have been saying for really for more than a year and what that may tell us about what's going to happen on Friday and toward the end of the war.
And to do that, we have one of our favorite guests, Larry Johnson, former CIA analyst and of course of Larry the Shirt Johnson fame as well as his own sonar two one dot com comma where he always has a lot of great stuff on there as well.
Larry, as always, welcome back.
Always, always a pleasure and privilege, Danny.
And it really is, always look forward to these every week.
We always have some great guests on here, but this has kind of become one of our favorites.
But as we were chatting just briefly before coming on air, this is it's kind of a weird day and that's saying a lot because in the Trump world of Trump World 2 since January 20, it's been kind of the norm is for this to be considered weird on top of that thing, I don't know, man.
But well, let's just start off because, first of all, Whitkov met for three hours with Putin today.
So obviously some substantive conversations were going on.
So it wasn't just a kind of a short deal like some of the other meetings related to all this have gone on.
And there was initially a readout coming from the Russian side, which was fairly optimistic, I think, as Yushikov, who was part of the meetings, he said, now the situation is such that our president has complete information.
That is our signals, signals from President Trump.
And Trump has not yet been informed about the results of this meeting, therefore I would refrain from making more detailed comments.
We'll see when Whitcock can report back to Trump today.
After that, obviously, we'll be able to supplement my comments with something more substantial.
Some of the other comments coming out of Russia at the time were dialogue will prevail and they thought there would be some positive comments, but it hasn't worked out that way since because, and in fact, let me put that let me talk about that one right there.
This is Sergei Markov, who is a pro Russian analyst, but also very connected and informed.
He wrote this morning after the meeting, he said, what did Putin and Whitcoff discuss?
Trump's concessions.
After all, an air truce would be a huge concession on the part of Russia.
More on that in just a second, because Russia makes air attacks an order of magnitude stronger than Ukraine.
Therefore, there should be concessions to Russia from the other side, the Ukraine regime, Europe, Trump.
That is what is being discussed now.
Zelensky and Europe do not want to make any concessions.
More on that later too.
Trump, therefore, must conced.
That is to lift sanctions against Russia.
This is what Putin and Whitcoff discussed for three hours.
Then three hours after posting that., he Markov came back and it's kind of like, whoa, hang on, Trump just imposed sanctions, 25% tariffs against India for the purchase of Russian oil.
Not 100%, he noted, not 100%, which is completely unreasonable, but a reasonable 25%.
I guess that depends on whose perspective you're looking at, whether it's reasonable or not.
This is Trump slapping in the face to India.
The likelihood that India will bend to Trump is minimal.
I would say non existent.
Russia will not do anything under pressure.
Trump's decree will begin to work in only 21 days.
So Trump actually has time to give both Russia and India wiggle room to figure something out and Trump's behavior is becoming more and more clearly anti Russian.
Trump is turning into Biden.
Ouch.
That last comment there is one of the worst ones there.
But first of all, what do you think of his whirlwind?
Because it looks like that, and this could be expected, Larry, because I think that, I mean, Russia has been as consistent as you can get on what their positions are.
So they said that they're happy to receive Whitcoff a fortune.
The expectation was that they were going to do exactly what Markov suggested there.
How do you see it?
Russia is clearly not trying to provoke a confrontation with the United States.
They are remaining calm, polite, even a little bit, you know, lighthearted, as you could see in the greeting when Putin met with Whitcoff.
He didn't, you know, he could have given him an icy stare.
He could have refused to shake hands.
But no, hey, Steve, good to see you, buddy.
Getting a lot of frequent flyer miles in there, aren't you?
You know, sort of that kind of thing.
But I think once once the doors are shut, you know, Putin will again patiently explain to Whitcoff what the lay of the land is, remind him that the United States has been taking very provocative actions that threaten a nuclear war,
up to and including the fact that Trump has allowed the B-61-12 gravity bomb which is a nuclear bomb that can be dropped by the F-35 is allowed that not only in Lakenfield England but at least six other bases throughout Europe and you know this this marks the first reintroduction of US nuclear weapons into Europe since 2008.
So, you know, I'm sure that came up.
And then the issue of despite the nice, pleasant back and forth, Putin can't point to anything tangible that the United States has done to improve relations with Russia.
Still hasn't named an ambassador.
still hasn't returned the consulates that uh or allowed russian consulates in the united states to be reopened in fact restrict what uh places a us citizen can go get a visa uh to go to russia as i know full well um that um they haven't returned the property that was seized under obama they haven't uh freed the assets that were seized and they continue to provide weapons and intelligence to Ukraine.
So, you know, Putin, I think Putin probably again politely reminded me, he said, we've got to see some tangible movement on your part.
Because Putin's in the driver's seat, despite all this, you know, claims in the West that he's running into trouble.
He's not.
The pace of military advance by the Russian forces, it's like accelerating every day, every week.
It's going faster and faster.
And at this pace, it's going to break at some point.
In fact, the Russian General Staff reportedly told Putin that they anticipate two to three months max, they're going to completely break the defensive line of Ukraine, which I don't think is, if that report's accurate, I wouldn't surprise me because that appears to be what we're seeing.
I think that's exactly right.
Once again, Tom, I'm fascinated to get your thoughts about it.
Paula has also joined us now.
I'm delighted to say, I don't think the United States has any leverage whatsoever in these negotiations.
We have nothing to offer except to drop sanctions that were wrongly imposed on Russia, now these secondary sanctions.
Tom, I may not be able to see you.
I'm sure I can hear you, your thoughts first, and then Paul.
Tom.
I seem to have lost contact with Tom.
Paul, are you there?
Paul, are you there?
Yeah, you can hear me now, right?
I can now, yes, Paul.
Oh, thank you.
Sorry to start coming a little late, better than never.
Yeah, I was some reason having some problems with the mute button.
So, yeah, no, what was just said, you know, the last few minutes that I heard, I mean, it sounds all exactly correct and accurate and on point.
You know, I still am not able to fathom, you know, there's all these different explanations about what's really the underlying motive on our part.
In other words, what does the United States or what does our Jewish power structure actually really want out of Russia, out of this war?
This is something that is still hard for me to grasp.
Well, I believe they want to destroy Russia, that they resent that the Bolshevik revolution didn't lead to Jewish domination of Russia forever.
Putin has been a very civilized leader of Russia.
He has been promoting Western values, diversity of religion.
Christians are very much a protected class in Russia.
I think that there's resentment, resentment on many sides.
I'm pleased to say Monique is here.
Monique, you're Welcome to turn on your camera, by the way, and join us and give us your thoughts.
I'm glad you're here.
Go right ahead.
Thank you.
I'm so glad to be here.
I hope Major Tom comes back in.
He froze.
Well, I had a question with regards to the Ukraine.
Now we all know that there are bio weapons over there.
I'm wondering what the status is of that because when this first broke out, I felt that this was an extension of COVID, what was happening in the Ukraine.
In fact, I had seen footage.
where it looked like they were doing a movie over there instead of like a real war.
So that always made it rather unclear for me.
But the question is, are those biolabs, have they been taken out?
And then I do have a friend of in Russia and I wanted to make mention of some of the things that he told me with regards to the war and Convidence.
Go right ahead, go right ahead, yeah.
I believe Russia has seized control of a multitude of these biolabs.
It was early on.
They exposed they were there.
They were run by the United States.
I mean, our role in world affairs has just become so grotesque, so contrary to American principles and ideals.
I think the whole world is now putting us on their shit list that the United States is just as despised as Israel, which were aiding and abetting in the slaughter of the Palestinians.
We deserve to be on that list.
Monique, your further thoughts.
Tom may know he's rejoined.
Go right ahead.
Oh, well, Tom, I had asked about the biolabs in the Ukraine and if they were all gone.
I was stating that I felt that the war was an extension of Convict.
And then I was going to speak to a friend about a friend of mine who lives in Russia.
But do you know anything about those biolabs in Ukraine and what's happened to them?
Are they all gone?
You talking to me, Monique?
I am, Major Tom.
Yeah.
Hello.
I'm sorry, I'm having internet problems with my providing computer.
I'll stay on as long as I can.
But biolabs, I don't know what's going on with the biolabs in Ukraine.
That may be one of the reasons why this is still an issue and they're still fighting over this territory.
Because it is bizarre, isn't it, that so many biolabs.
So many bio labs have been discovered in that particular country all around the same time that we've had this whole COVID-19 pandemic and the creation of what we now know is the SARS CoV-2 virus in a lab.
And then the countermeasures, the vaccines that came out to supposedly cure us of the COVID-19 virus, which have actually exacerbated the problems, as we'll talk about later on with these worldwide surveys I've been doing.
It's pretty good evidence that the COVID vaccines are actually exacerbating the problem and making these unusual side effects that not just the people have seen with the white fibrous cloths, but also myocarditis, nerve damage, miscarriages, turbocancer, all that accelerated when the vaccines came out on top of the virus.
So it's just, it's very unusual that Ukraine has all these biolabs and it seems to be the center of attention at the very same time the whole COVID pandemic took place.
I agree.
It didn't seem to be.
Stand by, stand by, Motique, Tom.
We got a break.
Run about four minutes and we'll continue with Tom and we'll make a transition to discussion of COVID.
given his internet's instability, we'll be right back.
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Thank you.
Dr. Fetzer, you're on.
The chair is temporarily empty.
Maybe I could speak to what I was going to say about my Russian friend who lives in Tula, who that's the city that, oh my goodness gracious, the author of War and Peace, what is his name?
I can't think of it now.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I visited his home.
There was snow all around and we were just able to walk in.
That was pretty cool.
That was back in 2006.
But this friend over Skype, he had said that Putin actually he Putin did make the people over there take the jab.
He did not take the jab.
I don't remember how he said he got out of it.
But he said that people were required to take it, at least I believe in the government, if I'm not mistaken, a long time ago the conversation.
He also was talking about right wing., God, so I think he was mentioning like propaganda from the United States and right-wing.
I really don't know if everything that we're getting over here really applies according to him he is not in favor of this And like Dr. Fetzer was saying, he's trying to bring in old school values and whatnot, which is great.
But at the same time, this person is not.
a fan and he's not I don't even think he's allowed to have Rumble.
He has to have some special VPN in order to see it.
So I unfortunately, Rumble, just like Odyssey and just like BitShoot are very compromised channels these days.
They may not have started out that way, but they certainly are now.
LaPaul, coincidentally, I just filed a complaint about Rumble this morning, which I'll be sharing with all of you later when I have a chance.
But it was Nick and Tuck getting here in time for the show.
You're absolutely right about the compromise.
And we actually know quite a lot about the entangled alliance between BitChute, Rumble, Sandy Hook, Pramas, Victor, Hugo, and the like.
I mean, it's talking about if I can make a very, a very crude but a very apt comparison.
Whatever a particular industry, business or platform, however it starts out, and it could start out very well, but you might not have, say, mice or rats in every room of the house.
But if they're in the house, they're going to find what it is that they want to find.
Okay.
Fact, I'm dealing with a mice issue where I live now, but you guys get the point that these people will get a hold of somehow get inside, either bribe people or find some way to take over and corrupt, and this is exactly what they've done.
And I would imagine there's probably multiple battles going on in Russia as well, both politically and with their businesses and industry.
They're always fighting the same menace.
Thanks for all that, Paul.
Yeah.
I got a call from my webmaster who just posted a video debate of you with another party and he's just ecstatic that you're here right now.
So let's turn to your discussion about COVID and so forth while we have the opportunity, lest we should lose it because of internet issues.
Go right ahead, Tom.
The floor is yours.
Okay.
Can you hear me okay?
Yes.
Yeah.
These white fibrous clots.
I've been tracking for the last three years.
Embalmers all around the world have been seeing this unusual white fibrous cloths in their corpses.
These are embalmers with twenty or thirty years.
20 or 30 years of experience.
I've seen this phenomenon before, until the years of COVID and the vaccines.
Am I coming through okay?
Yes, you are, Tom.
Go right ahead.
Okay.
This.
Uh oh.
Yeah, Tom, I think you're hitting internet interference because what you're talking about is so powerful and so convincing.
You're temporarily frozen.
If I may just interject briefly.
So whatever is going to be discussed and I'm looking forward to what he has to say.
I think we're all familiar with these clots and some of the things that these balsamers have said.
But I'd like, if I could, just set the stage for the fact that they don't have anything to do with COVID.
This is all some sort of attack designed against us by the vaccines themselves.
And they don't have anything to do because I personally am firmly convinced, there was no such thing as COVID, there is no such thing as COVID now.
There was never any virus or isolated virus, there was never any gain of function virus.
And I think mostly all the bio weapons is just legend.
That's what it really is.
Well, I think we're generally familiar with all of those facts of the matter.
And most certainly, Tom is not disputing that the pseudo pandemic was used as a faux justification for introducing the vaccine.
We all know it was never properly tested.
In fact, what tests they did were all negative.
They killed all the lab rats, for example, women were induced to have abortions and so forth, and they were pregnant and a host of other horrors.
Well, Jim, in point of fact, in point of fact, there was no need for testing because there was no virus.
They were not testing anything.
So in other words, they were testing the efficacy of the vaccine to bring them back to the world.
Yeah, but why would you need to test the efficacy of a vaccine if it's not designed to do anything except to harm us and kill us.
You know what I'm saying.
Listen, you're not paying attention to the point I'm making.
I am.
Go ahead.
They had to test the vaccine to see that it would bring about the malevolent effects that they were intended to bring about.
Okay, all right, maybe, perhaps, okay.
Of course.
How could they go about with a toxic device if they don't know it's going to work?
And I got you.
I want to bring you back, Monique.
Please restart your video.
I took you off while Tom was talking, lest there be more distraction.
Yes, no, no.
But you're welcome to add to this conversation while we await his return.
Go right ahead, Monique.
Thank you.
Well, I do believe that SARS CoV-2 was created in the biolab of the University of North Carolina of Chapel Hill.
I mean, Dr. Rashid Rashid Ali Buttar made that quite clear on YouTube back in the spring of 2020, and his videos were disappearing.
And he disappeared.
He was poisoned in 2023 and he died.
Do you know who he is, Paul?
Have you ever heard about his name.
He was one of the Pyromonique, but I would quickly point out that if this bio weapon SARS CoV-2 was actually created and it spread throughout the population, then you would think they'd be able to have a sample of it.
And yet nobody has ever produced any sample, any isolated sample of SARS CoV-2.
We're talking about the facts.
We're not talking about No, she was just talking about the existence of the virus.
She just talked about the fact that she believed the virus was actually real, created in a lab in North Carolina.
I basically, in my mind, rebutted that because I said, well, you know, you can go online.
And I did this during the so-called pandemic.
I did, too.
All these people from different parts of the world wrote to all these agencies asking for a sample.
In every case, whether there was any cut.
Why are you talking when I'm trying to finish?
Will you allow me to host my show, please?
Come on.
I'm going to give you plenty of time to talk.
But I was just trying to make the point, which I just...
I'm going to...
Go right ahead, Monique.
No worries.
All right.
Time out.
Ding, ding, ding.
So, Paul, I I agree with you on the fact where I'm unsure if it actually was out there.
I was one of those people that you were talking about who wrote the public health, who got the information back that there was no white paper.
It was from some legal counsel on their behalf.
This was in Los Angeles.
But I do believe it was created.
Was it released?
That I'm not so sure about.
Possibly it was released in certain areas.
Did it spread widespread?
Did it was widespread?
I don't believe that.
I don't believe that at all.
So I'm with you on that.
I do believe that.
Okay, may I ask you a question, Monique?
May I ask you a question?
If someone was to pose this question to you, which I do right now, how does one go about creating a virus?
Would you even have an answer for that?
All I know from the beginning was that DNA was reversed and a gain of function was placed upon that.
Okay.
He made that quite clear.
I don't care what he made clear.
I don't think he was in any way, shape or form.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, go ahead.
You may be 100% right.
There are a lot of people who think virology is a pseudoscience.
There's no such thing as viruses.
That, of course, is not a popular opinion, but it may be true.
And you're emphatic about your views on it.
Now, let's entertain Monique's position based upon common belief, even though it may well be, as you insist, that common belief is false.
I'm not disputing it may be false, but it's out there as a common belief.
Now, I think DARPA appears to have had a key role in all this nonsense, including developing the VACS.
DARPA, our own military research institute.
It's just outrageous and stunning.
And certainly our guest today, Havilland is not here wanting to, you know, he's here talking about the effects of the VACS, the damage it does.
He's showing us some of those clots.
Now, Paul, you say, well, we all know that.
Well, all people know it, but they've never seen it.
He's got the actual clots right there for us to view.
He's making powerful points.
No, I mean, who may be less informed than you.
No, I mean, look, I'm interested in that.
99% of the world's population.
Okay, okay, I'm interested in that.
I just again, I wanted all I wanted to do was to get clear.
I mean, you know, I don't know what point there's to be, you know, in talking about beliefs, all right?
I mean, I know what it is that they say viruses are.
And what they say viruses are is bullshit.
And it's provable.
And many people have done it.
So in other words, whatever it is they tell you, and all you got to do is put in definite definition of virus on any mainstream source and start reading it.
And pretty soon you're going to ask questions that cannot be answered.
Such as my favorite question is, how do they know that?
And when you start asking, how did they know that enough?
You will come to so many ridiculous dead ends you wouldn't even believe it.
And the bottom line is this, I'm not alone.
Okay, I came to many of these conclusions myself and then I reinforced them with Stefan Lanka, doctor Thomas Cowen, doctor Andrew Kaufman and others who have made clear that all this work is fraud.
It's complete and total fraud.
The viruses that they're claiming exist are just particles, just pieces, cellular debris.
They cause no harm in and of themselves.
In fact, they're the result of harm.
What we always have had to worry about are toxins.
In other words, when people get sick from poison, from bacteria, the bacteria are not making people sick.
It's the excretions, the waste products of the bacteria that make people sick.
It's the toxic effect of these substances.
So bio weapons exist in the fact that they are toxins, but not that they are biological entities.
So there we go.
Thanks for hearing it.
Please, let's continue.
I agree with that.
I agree.
Thank you.
Wanda, go ahead, make your statement because we're missing her.
I know.
I hope Major Tom Therefore, I'm really glad you're happening to be here.
I don't doubt he's under attack.
They don't want this kind of information to be out.
And here he's got those awful blood clots, those fibrous effects of the vax for us to see right there in tubes.
That's very, very convincing to anyone who's skeptical in any way, shape or form.
Go ahead, Monique.
He stated, doctor Fetcher, that people don't want to talk to him about it on these shows.
Joe Rogan, all the big alternative news ones, they don't want to talk to him about it.
So you may be very well correct that he's being taken out on his internet because someone's listening that they don't want.
But he talks to Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.
That's one of the latest interviews that I've seen him on.
I was listening last night a couple of times because there's a lot of chemistry in there.
He's on with another guest.
I'll put that into the chat.
Maybe we could share a little bit of that while we're waiting.
But yeah, yeah.
I mean, it was interesting.
The, the, the, the, the, uh, clots were., it seemed like it was mainly because of phosphorus and then there was tin that was talked about.
But it was also clear in documentation and studies from, I think it was like 1991 and 1989, where it stated that this would happen, this kind of clotting.
And yet, the United States went about it anyway.
I happen to know someone who works for BARDA and they just had $500 million worth of contracts ended for the mRNA or if you want to call it mod RNA because it's not real messenger RNA.
So that's been ended due to Robert F. Kennedy junior.
Where that money is going, I'm not sure.
I'll have to look into that.
But I know someone from school back in the day.
And when I found that out, I would give information about injuries, fatalities, studies and whatnot.
I'm certain that he was looking at them because I put a little tracker on the email, but I never heard back from him.
And so I would like that whole organization to.
to or center if you want to call it that, be focused because I put that person on notice and stated for his boss Xavier, what was the last name Becerra to to to look at this so I'm sure I'm not the only one that was saying to stop this uh this bio weapon but um Robert F. Kennedy junior is now stating that BARTA should not be
in in with the vaccines they're good for other um medical devices or whatnot, but he did say that.
So this will be interesting to see if they stay in the vaccine business, so to speak.
You know what I'm talking about, Bart.
I don't know what stands for biological something.
I have to look it up.
Monique, if you want to pull up that video, we can do a screen share and we can broadcast part of it from your computer.
If you can pull it off, I mean while I'll give Paul another opportunity to share his wisdom.
Go right ahead, Paul.
Well, thank you.
I don't know if you would characterize it as wisdom, but I was just curious as to what studies Monique may have been referring to.
She talked about studies done by the v 90s, for example, that predicted there would be clots and I didn't know what study she might be referring to.
It's in here, so I'm going to get it up and then we could look at that.
Hang on a second, I'm going to make you host.
And BARDA stands for Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.
It's like an arm of the HHS.
Got you.
I made you host Monique, so we can do a screenshare now and you can.
So they deal with the countermeasures because it wasn't a vaccaccine, right?
You can't get compensated from the vaccine injury compensation program.
It's the countermeasures.
So different, this.
Correct.
I'm assuming, Monique, that you're quite familiar with Sasha Latapova and her work on the PREP Act and so on, that that's I helped her get on to this show.
I didn't really, I didn't know her, but I reached out.
I found Okay, all right.
So good.
Then we're all on the same page there.
RFK junior is not, not a friend.
He's just maybe partially a friend.
Partially a friend, yeah.
Yeah, there you go.
Okay, hold on.
Go right ahead, Monet, play.
All right.
Tom, our first guest is Tom Havland, who spent twenty years in the US Air Force, retiring as a major.
Tom has been a defense contractor, an electrical engineer, and a data analyst who has worked with fighter aircraft such as F-16 Falcon, the F-22 Raptor, and the F-117 Stealth fighter.
After watching Died Suddenly documentary, Tom has conducted two worldwide embalmer clot surveys to investigate the appearance of new and unusual white fibrous clots in corpses with potential link to COVID-19 vaccines.
Results of Tom's surveys are both shocking and disturbing.
My second guest is Greg Harrison.
Greg is trained as an organic and research chemist and ran a successful polymer additives manufacturing company for more than twenty years.
He used a wide range of complex analyses to evaluate his competitor's products in the global market.
With his, with this familiarity of ICP dash MS testing, it led him to research the white blood clots just from a chemical point of view and to confirm what Mike Adams' original findings were about these clots that he released in 2022.
So with that sort of technical and Headsy sort of background, we got two Headsy people here with us first thing in the morning at 9 am here.
So with that introduction to Tom and Greg, I want them to introduce themselves and Greg's got a great presentation to show you all the specifics.
Can you two guys take it from here?
Yeah, I'll start and then pass it to Greg.
Okay.
I've done over the last two years, as you know, Dr. Tampenny, two worldwide embalmer blood cloth surveys that had three key results to them.
Of the hundreds of embalmerers that have taken the survey, seventy percent of them are finding indeed.
We also know that they're finding, indeed, these strange white fibrous clots in their corpses.
We also know that they're happening in living as well.
We've been in contact with a couple of cardiologists and endovascular specialists that have been pulling these out of living people for the last three years.
The balsamers also said that they started seeing these white fibrous clots primarily in 2021, about six months after the COVID-19 vaccines rolled out.
And then the final, maybe the most shocking result of my couple of surveys is that the balsamers are still seeing these white fibrous clots in about twenty percent of their corpses.
So this is not a rare phenomenon.
These things are prevalent.
But the one thing that the balsamers cannot answer because they're not qualified to is why or how the clots are forming.
So that's why I want to just turn it over to Greg.
I'm going to shut up and he's going to explain to us tonight how or why these clots are forming.
Okay.
Thank you, Tom.
Well, I must also lead off and say, look, we are not qualified either to really decide or indicate how and where these clots are forming.
All I can do because I'm not medically trained and I'm not a trained biochemist, but I am.
I've spent my life in organic chemistry and certainly in analytic chemistry.
So from my perspective only, we want to stay concentrating on the actual analysis results we've got, which raise some very important questions.
But unfortunately, I have to expose everyone to a little bit of chemistry to start off with, some basic chemistry regarding the periodic table of the elements, because this is where it all starts, and this is where the most important factor became apparent.
So if I may share my screen, we'll go straight to the presentation.
And of course, being 125 slides, we're not going to have time to go through them all.
So what I've done is picked out about 20 of them, which we'll flick through and go to and discuss them in a bit of detail.
But firstly, if I must just say it, everyone can see that okay.
Good.
Periodic table, I'm sure everyone knows that life on this planet revolves around this.
This is exactly all of the elements that have been discovered to date.
and that's what we're all made up of and what the biochemistry world actually revolves around which is actually the rules of chemistry now we
And in that presentation, there was an ICP analysis quickly flashed up on the screen.
And I looked at it because being very well versed in ICP, having run a chemical company using ICP and a whole range of analytical techniques for over twenty years, we use these techniques to actually analyze our competitor products in order to improve our own and to generate new products.
But the thing that struck out most amazingly., it was a high amount of tin that was found in this ICP result.
So as I was saying, our journey started in 2023.
We decided to repeat the analysis results that the ICP showed because being a chemist, you don't take the very first set of results for beta.
You go and do your own work, you can rerun the experiment.
and you either confirm or question the results.
We took four samples that were provided by Richard Hirschman in the US and we split them up and sent them to two separate laboratories.
We sent one in Europe and one to local people here.
Now, they both ran the ICPMS and found the same pattern of elements, which included a large concentration of phosphorus, sulfur, carbon, and tin, and sodium.
But surprisingly, there was a lack of normal blood market elements, the potassium, the iron, magnesium, zinc, et cetera.
So we could not explain why we would have such an abundance of phosphorus, sulfur, carbon, et cetera.
So what I'd like to do now is...
Greg, that means that the...
If it was blood coagulating, you would have seen high amounts of potassium, magnesium and iron in them, right?
That's correct.
There was very little iron in these results.
Now to the left here is the actual extract from the analysis that started our journey, and this is actually taken from the screenshot that I kept on the day.
We got the same results.
When we ran two separate laboratories, one in Europe and one locally, although we did not get exactly 4,900 ppm of phosphorus, we got 4,400, 4,600.
We got exactly the same pattern.
In other words, we had a very high level of tin, which is also surprising, and the distinct lack of each of the blood marker elements.
So we've got three sets of ICP analysis, all confirming that there is an absence of blood marker elements, which means that these clots are not being formed by normal blood clotting techniques.
Okay?
So then we started to look at the enormous difference of tin.
Now, tin is not the main driver here.
The main driver, we think, is the what we call the aberrant phosphorylation because normally in human blood you can have anywhere between about 100 ppm up to 1000 ppm of phosphorus we found just pauses and we'll continue right after the break sounds good I
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now we return you to your host Well, Thomas Havilland has been unable to rejoin us.
So Monique, please continue.
We have him in a virtual form in a recent interview given with Sherry Tenpenny and others.
Go right ahead, continue.
Okay, let's get go.
Phosphorylation because normally in human blood you can have anywhere between about 100 ppm up to 1000 ppm of phosphorus.
We found in our samples and in this particular analysis up to 4900 ppm.
That's an enormous amount of phosphorus occurring in the white cloud.
And for the listener, ppm means parts per million.
That's correct and ppb is part per billion.
Now, skin does not have normal biological importance in the body.
It's not utilized in biological processes.
So the question immediately arose as to why is there so much tin in these white clots?
Now, typically this level here, which is shown in the analysis by Mike Adams, is still high by world standards.
I got involved in tin chemistry in the industrial world where tin catalysts are used for polymeric reactions.
We actually make things like silicone rubber and polyurethane using tin catalysts.
So I knew a little bit about the blood lead level of tin and blood lead.
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The Mayo Clinic is normally around about 80 to 120 ppb around a catalyst.
So I knew a little bit about the blood lead level of tin and blood lead level of tin is normally around about 80 to 120 ppb, part per billion, not parts per million.
But in some of our samples, not only did we find over 400 to 600 ppb of tin, we also found this incredibly high increase in carbon.
Now, when carbon increases, carbon brings with it companion elements.
In other words, it's not just a carbon to carbon or carbonyl condensation.
It's normally involving companion elements such as oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, sulfur and carbon, and sulfur and phosphorus, for example.
So this is indicating a molecular weight increase.
It's in other words, a polymeric molecular weight increase.
And I keep now referring to that term because this is precisely what we think is going on.
These are the actual samples that we received and we halved, as I said.
We split them, we sent the two separate labs, and then some three months later we compared the results.
Now.
Now, these samples are from obviously different donors and different ages.
We suspect that the difference we saw in our levels of phosphorus and maybe to a degree the tin etc.
has something to do with age, obviously the demographics of where the samples were taken.
We simply don't know what the effects are that do cause this minor variation we see.
But one thing we do know is we still see the exactly same pattern with the total absence of blood mark elements.
These clots when you handle them are quite rubbery.
They are very much like calamari and John O'Looney has described calamari asari, sorry, the clots being calamari like.
In other words, he stretches them.
And when we were manipulating these clots to do some further analysis work on, we could feel this texture.
So we know exactly that these are not normal grape jelly blood clots, as Richard Hirschmann does describe.
Now, if we're going to be similar to chicken fat clots, right?
Chicken fat clots are much smaller, yellowish in color.
They tear very easily, much different than these large, long, rubbery, tough clots.
That's correct.
So in order to continue to understand what we're seeing, we decided to run two more, sorry, three different types of analysis on top of these.
So besides the ICPMS analysis, we then ran a HPLC analysis, which is a high performance liquid chromatography.
And what it does, it tells you what proteins are present.
So I'd like to actually move to that analysis because that we then followed that with an amino acid analysis and then some histology comparisons.
Now, as I said, I'm not medically qualified and I'm not a biochemist, but I do understand the significance of the protein analysis being an organic chemist.
And I do understand the staining techniques that are being deployed with histology.
So it's not too much of a stretch outside my normal area of involvement, our expertise.
But what I'd like to do is now to move down to slide number 60, sorry, 78, which is our HPLC results.
Greg, before you do that, are you going to show the audience that, like you said, there was a high amount of phosphorus found in these clots?
Are you going to show them what's what are the contents of the vaccines so you can give the audience a hint?
Yeah, I'd like to actually touch on the HPLC analysis first time to explain why we start to go back towards the vaccines okay because we will return to that in a moment okay what i'd like to do now is to actually put up the analysis results we got using hplc of the white clots now dr tenpenny you would see that the fibrinogen beta chain formed 35
percent by way Now, let me start again.
With the HPLC analysis, we found over just on 541 separate proteins.
Arnie Burkhardt, you may be aware of, did some analysis of the same white clots some years before, and he employed a technique called moldy tough.
Now, moldy tough is an older technique that's not quite as definitive as the HPLC technique that we employed.
So we found more proteins.
But essentially, then we started to look at why these are here in the abundances that they are.
And I have used AI before.
AI, you have to be a bit careful with it, but it does perform some very good calculations for you if you know how to ask it the right questions.
And I got it to perform some bond energy calculations on these proteins.
And all of these proteins have a high affinity to phosphorus.
In fact, the beta chain has a higher affinity to phosphorus in bond energy relationship than the gamma chain or the alpha chain.
These are all listed in their affinity to phosphorus.
And this is the order in which we found them in the clot.
Now, the calculations we did on the bond energy, once we got to protein number 36 in the concentration, the other, you get conflicting effects where the minimal affinity to the phosphorus actually starts to wane and other elements compete with phosphorus.
So we basically rule off the analysis of 36 proteins.
But here you're looking at the top 21, and you'll notice a bottom one here, von Willebrand factor.
All of these proteins are abnormal in the concentrations that we've found them.
But worse still is this, and I'll use the term aberrant again.
In a normal red blood clot, there is a normal distribution of these alpha, beta, and gamma chains.
It's about a one-to-one-to-one ratio.
Here we have the beta chain at 35%, the next one being gamma chain followed by the alpha chain.
And in there we have, as I said, the hemoglobin subunit beta.
And remember, these clots are white.
So there's no iron in these clots.
And significantly, we check the entire 541 proteins, and there's no thrombin or thrombospondin present.
So that's what you just said about the fibrinogen is instead of a one-to-one-to-one ratio, which is a normal fibrin, when the three of those form together a fibrin structure, it's now basically like a nine-to-four-to-one ratio, way off of the one-to-one-to-one ratio.
begins.
So this is being initiated again by another pathway, another mechanism, and it's pointing very firmly back to phosphorus.
So we'll move on now to our amino acid analysis.
We then ran an amino acid analysis and we found that the highest level of amino acid present in the white clot is proline.
Now proline followed by aspartic acid followed by lysine, glucine, serine.
You can see them all on the left hand side here.
Again, this is the same order by weight of concentration.
Proline's telling us there is most likely an abundance of collagen in the clot.
If we go back to the rubbery texture we talked about, we are absolutely sure, but we've yet to identify chemically the presence of collagen.
But the amino acid analysis is telling us that the very high likelihood of finding collagen is real.
More importantly, with the investigation we've done, this is where we start to tie in the spike protein from the mRNA vaccinations.
Again, if you read the literature, there were two proline substitutions made on the surface of the spike.
starts to become an interesting subject because the spike also undergoes phosphorylation.
And I'd like to jump back to further.
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Examples of these papers that confirm this.
So we're starting to look at, okay, so a spike is also involved here.
Where's this coming from?
And we head back to, again, the same question of why is there so much phosphorus there?
Okay.
So if we can just go back to the ingredients in the vaccines.
which Tom just asked about which are here.
This is an extract from the Mayo Clinic that was published I think in about early 2023.
And it's talking about a summary of the raw materials, if you like, the ingredients in the vaccines.
But significantly, we found that both vaccines have a thing called DSPC.
And DSPC is the diesteryl glycerophospha choline.
It's the actual nanoparticle carrier, so to speak, that's carrying the mRNA methylcityuridine core.
Now, interestingly enough, it's in both vaccines, but surprisingly, in the Pfizer one, we noticed it monobate potassium phosphate.
We're starting to look again to all of the sources that could be donating phosphorus to the white clots.
and there's sodium phosphate as well.
Now, there's some other nuances here in the chemistry side that I won't go into today, but the presence of acetic acid and sodium acetate is also a little concerning.
But the phospholipid, there is literature saying that at the very moment that the phospholipid releases the methylsuridine messenger core, the phosphorus head becomes exposed.
Now, I've got a couple of papers describing how this must happen.
Each time that the little lipid nanoparticle breaks open, the phosphorus head becomes exposed.
If you're in solution like in blood plasma, the availability of fibrinogen is quite high.
Fibrinogen and albumin are the most highly abundant proteins occurring in human blood.
Fibrinogen has a very high phosphorus affinity.
Your point there is basically you analyzed the clots, you found a tremendous amount of phosphorus in the clots that's not usually found in normal clots or normal blood.
And it just so happens that the COVID-19 vaccines, the lip and nanoparticles contain phosphorus in them.
Like you say, when that round.
lipid nanoparticle that contains the modified RNA from the vaccine has to open up inside the cell to release the mRNA, the modified RNA, so it can start generating the spike protein.
That, at the moment that it opens to release, it exposes the phosphor heads of that lipid nanoparticle, which has a great affinity for our natural fibrinogen, and they bind together.
That's exactly correct, Tom.
What I wanted to show you then is start to move on to some of the papers that support our findings.
We are talking about fibrin polymerization.
Here's a paper dated 2013 that talks about the mechanism of fibrin polymerization.
Now the point we make out going back to our HPLC, the fact that we found the beta chain, gamma chain and alpha chain of fibrinogen means it has not fully formed fibrils or fibrin.
So the polymerization pathway has not been completed and we think that's due to the absence of the thrombin.
So again these white clots appear to be totally different to a normal blood clot purely by the fact that the presence of the fibrinogen they're actually they're called precursor monomers.
They don't, they haven't formed the fully formed fibril.
Okay, I know this is getting a little technical, but please bear with us because it points very strongly again, as I said, to some implications of the vaccines.
Now I'd like to go back to this particular slide.
This is actually showing you what the methylcyturidine core is encapsulated with.
Okay, if we talk about the, this being the messenger core that we call about, as we talk about in the mRNA vaccines.
And here is a lipid nanoparticle surrounding that core.
Again, this is an extract from papers that we've been able to find that explain all this.
And here we see the DSPC phospholipid.
And we talk about also the presence of some other lipids that are obviously used and do have functions, which I can go into separately.
But the phosphorus head actually becomes exposed when the methylcity urine core is released.
If you do some calculations using a thing called Avogadro's number, you'll actually come up and find that for one injection, there's approximately 1.5 billion billion nanoparticles released.
If 80 to 90 percent of that 1.5 billion nanoparticles are exposed phosphorus heads, you will introduce a phosphorus hit into the bloodstream.
Now, this is supposed to, this reaction, of course, is retarded, it's inhibited, and it's slowed, but you can't prevent the exposure of the phosphorus heads donating some phosphorus into the blood.
The spike protein itself can be phosphorylated, and I'd like to actually go to that to show you how this fits., okay?
Well, he's doing it.
I just want to impress on the audience again.
One billion billion lipid nanoparticles injected in every vaccine.
That's mind blowing, Greg.
So one billion billion is like one with eighteen zeros behind it.
That's correct.
That's right.
That's exactly correct.
It's one billion billion.
One billion billion is nine zeros.
And so one billion billion is eighteen zeros, right?
That's a lot.
That's roughly how much is being injected.
Let me ask you, you've mentioned here and in the other presentation I listened to about the spike protein, and a lot of people have said the spike protein doesn't exist.
Have you actually identified it through your through some sort of chemical thing that that protein really does exist?
It really does exist.
I can show you why.
Very good.
There it is.
That's what you're looking at.
This is a natural spike, by the way, not the open confirmation spike that the vaccines generate.
This is the natural, if you like, model.
Now where did this come from?
A peer-reviewed paper.
I'll have to go back and find that for you in a moment.
But what I wanted to show you was the spike is coated with a thing called GlycNAC.
Now GlycNAC has a fibrinogen and fibrinectin interaction.
It will actually adhere and react to fibrinogen in the bloodstream.
And there are papers confirming this.
I'll go to those papers shortly.
But the spike is very real, but it's covered with some other components too.
There's galactose, manose, fucose, and no-5AC.
is a thing called cyalic acid.
Now, surprisingly, if the spike didn't exist, then why is it that North Carolina Chapel Hill did a paper talking about the exposure of fibrinogen produced dent cloths with altered polymerization kinetics explained by increased cyalic acid?
This is a paper by North Carolina Chapel Hill.
Ralph Berick.
Yep, yep.
I'm just going to say if those have been following.ing the SARCOV two origin pathway, you'll know that name very well.
You'll also know the research that's been conducted there.
But it's just significant that this same organization is fully aware of the polymerization kinetics, partially explained by the presence of cyanic acid, which is found on the spike.
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One spike we have is called Lumorophine.
And here's the kicker.
It was designed.
Here we have SARC-COV-2 spike protein induces abnormal inflammatory blood clots.
This is the paper.
Okay.
What's the date of that paper, Greg?
Sorry, what's the date of it?
October 2021.
Yes, isn't that right?
Yeah.
Okay.
But this paper is pivotal in, again, confirming our hypotheses.
It says here, this is a paper, not us.
We hypothesize that the spiked protein directly affects the structural and functional properties of blood clots.
Incubation of SARC-AV2 recombinant trimeric spike protein.
Okay.
Okay, with healthy donor increased fibrin polymerization.
This is what we've proven with the high level of phosphorus and the altered fibrinogen chains we found by our HPLC analysis.
Now that sentence you just read that applies to the SARS CoV-2 virus with its spike protein, but we can assume that the same thing is happening with the modified RNA vaccine generated spike protein.
Correct?
That's correct.
And this is extracts out of that paper.
Again, we're talking here fibrin binding to spike and to complementary receptorsceptor is actually a binding site on fibrinogen.
Okay.
And it talks here about how fibrin is supposed to be locally at sites of vascular damage and a potent inflammatory activator and key inducer of oxidative stress.
Strikingly, spike increases fibrin-induced release of reactive oxygen species in a concentration-dependent manner in bone marrow derived macrophages, while spike alone did not have an effect.
These results suggest a role for spike and enhancer of fibrin-induced inflammation at sites of vascular damage.
And this is exactly what is going on with the inflammation generation via the cytokine store.
If you are actually damaging the vascular system, you are activating the body's normal wound healing mechanism.
And I'd just like to go to this extract, because this one really surprised me.
It's now saying our findings now show that coagulopathy is not merely a consequence of inflammation, rather the interaction of the spike protein with fibrinogen and fibrin results in abnormal blood plot formation that in turn drives inflammation.
Identification of SAR CV2 spike protein as a fibrinogen binding partner provides a mechanistic basis for the formation of abnormal clots with enhanced inflammatory properties.
Again, this paper is confirming our analysis findings.
But you've told us in the last 15 minutes basically that both the lip and nanoparticle when it opens up is exposing its phosphorus to our fibrinogen and binding with it, binding with it.
But then you've also explained here the spike protein is produced by the vaccine also has an affinity for our fibrinogen as well and binds.
Right.
I'd just like to draw your attention to this paragraph.
These results suggest a role for spike as an enhancer of fibrinogen induced inflammation at site of vascular damage.
Overall, these results reveal an unanticipated role for the spike protein as a fibrinogen binding protein that alone accelerates the formation of abnormal clots with altered structure and increased inflammatory activity.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Well, I want to hold that thought right there because I think everybody's brains are about to blow off the top of their head with all this chemistry.
And kind of, but you're making.
an incredible point that what we know, just from normal physiology and normal chemistry, there's a good explanation for why this happened from the vaccines with the phosphorus and the tin and all the inflammation that should never have been injected into the body in the first place.
So we're going to hold for Greg is showing a lot of there's papers out there that are years old that explain this whole process.
So he's, it's not a theory of Greg's.
He's actually backing it up with all the previous scientific literature on the topic.
So I want you to hold that thought right there.
We're going to take a really quick break.
We're going to come back with more chemistry.
But more explanation to why these fibrous blood clots under, you know, when we watch, when most of us watch it died suddenly and we see the fibrous clots in the tube and the fact that they feel like calamari and all of these different biochemical pathways.
So we're talking with Tom Havlin and Greg Harrison about this.
We're going to take a really short break.
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into this, doctor Sherey, tenpenny interview with retired Air Force major Thomas Havilland.
Here we go.
And Paul, this is where the studies from 1989 and 1991 will be revealed.
Better living through chemistry, I think we could call it, huh?
It's it's difficult to follow.
I'll say that much.
All right.
How are you doing with this?
Well, I'm following along.
It's it's not going to be useful for the average person, but it I mean, it is interesting to know, you know, uh, basically how the devil does his handiwork, if we, in a manner of speaking.
Uh, so, yeah, I mean, people just need to know not, not to take any shots from any of these, of these people, from any recommended government agency or doctor, modern medicine.
It just, uh, it all just has to be, unfortunately, shunned at this point.
It's just so upsetting to think that the government knew about this and can't pull it out.
It's not, you know, the government only exists as a concept, right?
But it's not that these people, quote, knew it was intentional and that's a little, that's another bridge across that river.
So in other words, there's one thing like, oh, by the way, this is just a result of what we did.
Oops.
No, no.
This is all by design.
I mean, they're constantly thinking up ways that they can basically kill us, leaving minimal fingerprints.
In other words, if you just have a blood clatter and die of a heart attack down the road, that's perfect.
I mean, the fact that people fall dead right away from the shots is pretty horrifying in itself.
But that still didn't give a lot of people pause.
I remember seeing a video, more than one, but a particular case where a father was going to go ahead and get a vaccine anyway, even though his daughter had died, basically, dropped dead from the vaccine.
And he just thought that was just, oh, you know, one in a million, that was one of those things.
But he still believed in the vaccine and he believed in, you know, what we were doing.
And it's just like, people are literally insane because we've grown up in a culture that's, I would say, borderline worships science or worships doctors.
And that just has to be abandoned.
Oh, I don't think it's that so much as government confidence in government.
Yet the mind just can't wrap itself around the idea that government that's supposed to be protecting and defending us could actually be operating in the opposite direction to kill and maim us.
I mean, your comments are spot on.
All this is by design.
All this is intentional.
None of this is coincidental.
There's nothing accidental about any of it.
None.
Zip zero.
And what it reminds me of just real quick, and we can go back, although I'm probably thinking a lot of the audience is either slightly tuning out because it is so technical.
I'm not sure if it's because it is so technical.
Yeah.
But I couldn't help but think, isn't it interesting that one of the ways that you find, you file an exemption from the shots is religious?
And I don't think it could be more apt.
In other words, you know, I was born and raised Catholic.
I am not particularly religious.
I'm not sure if I even believe in the conventional, you know, Christian gods and so on and so forth.
But I don't think it's any accident that, you know, people would say that this is the result of evil or amoral people working in labs.
Many of them don't know what they're doing.
I'm sure a lot of them do.
Most of this research not only does not need to be done, it shouldn't be done if someone had what we would call a moral or in some cases a God based or faith based compass.
But again, I just find it interesting that one of the exemptions for getting a vaccine is a religious exemption, and I think it's very apt.
Yeah, but they're trying to do away with it.
They're trying to eliminate those bases for exemptions, Paul.
They want to make sure they kill as many as they can without except.
Monique is well aware of this.
Go ahead, Monique.
Yeah, Paul, I was thinking about that as this was going on with the science and how I have been emphasizing the religious portion, although for some science is religion, which you just said.
But anyway, actually, Dr. Fesser, to your point, it was the organization with pediatrics that wanted to eliminate the exemption, religious exemptions for all the children.
And Robert F. Kennedy Jr., he just, he just ousted that, them out of the gosh, the CDC or I'll have to bring that up.
I thought I gave that to to me, what did you give to me again?
So Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has ousted out this pediatric organization that wanted to remove all the religious exemptions from children.
He ousted them out of, I don't know if it was the ACIP or the CDC, but he ousted them.
Do you know what I'm talking about, Paul?
I've heard it.
I couldn't give you any details, but I've heard of it.
He just did it a day or so ago.
I'll bring it up, but yeah.
I think the point though needs to be reinforced here, you know, and it all goes back to well, it goes back to everything.
In other words, just the way we live and the way we eat.
Now, I kind of made a joke, but I think everyone got it, you know, better living through chemistry.
If you guys remember that slogan, probably from, I think, the sixties, right?
Now, I'm not, I'm not saying that chemistry or the other sciences can't make contributions to the material quality of our life, right?
But when you go to the store and you pick up a mango, there's not a list of ingredients, okay?
There's no need, right?
Just like an apple or or any number of other natural whole foods.
And I just think it reinforces the notion that we don't need anything from these people.
We don't need anything.
They're doing the devil's work to convince us that we do.
If we just engage in wholesome, clean, natural living in every way possible, we will be fine.
It's all these people have done.
I mean, if you go back to, I think it was Eleanor McBean, if I have that correct, with the poisoned needle.
And even before that, there were people that were bringing up the notion that getting these shots was, was a covorting with the devil.
And you know, can you tell me they were wrong?
No, and you're talking to someone who's been an ethical spiritual vegan for twenty years, five years prior to that, no meat.
So about half of my life, I've been eating as clean as possible.
And I, you know, I came up with this epiphany not to eat the animals, but I'm telling you that.
I'm telling you because I do eat as holistic as possible.
And this person I know in Barta, I remember telling him about veganism too.
And I'm thinking to myself, this person was, was nice that I went to school with.
I believe he went to church too.
to, you know, for some extended period of his life.
And I'm just so unclear on why he would be involved in something like this.
He started working at a and I'm not going to reveal because, you know, this was school, but he was working at a pharma company and then he went to this.
And, you know, they they had the, like you said, they didn't just know, they knew.
And so how could somebody who's so nice be wrapped up in that?
I know that they have high salaries, but still, one other thing I want to make mention before you answer my question.
So Donald Trump, he just stated that Operation Warp Speed was the best thing that ever came around.
I can find that quote and give it to that professor, you're going to have to show this one.
I don't know if we have time on this show, but yeah, I mean, like, it's how could they?
How could they?
And when is he going to actually state that this is not good?
I mean, Donald Trump has made some steps, but what?
Never, never.
Of course, never.
I mean, come on.
We know, we know this.
It's sort of like how many opportunities has RFK?
junior had to tell us the full truth, the whole truth.
He gives us little tidbits, but he won't fully reveal the whole truth that he knows.
I mean, there were studies on his website showing the differences between unvaccinated children and vaccinated children, and yet he in his post, his current post, says that he supports the vaccine schedule.
So those two, I mean, juxtapose that.
It doesn't make any sense.
These people in many cases are already morally compromised individuals.
And when you give them large paychecks and prestigious positions that just adds to it.
In other words, you know, people have a difficult time resisting large paychecks and also prestigious positions.
Now, I wouldn't have any problem, but I'm an asshole.
I've always been an asshole, ever since I'm about nineteen, twenty years old, and there's people that will testify to that.
You know, it's like, I don't know what it is, but I found out that for the most part I'm more of an unusual individual in that vein, and it's, it hasn't been to my, uh, betterment.
It's been to my detriment.
In other words, I'm the kind of person that's going, nah, no way.
I'm not doing that.
And of course, that's not always that doesn't always work well in the world where other people want you to do certain things or say certain things or agree to certain things, sign certain things.
I remember when they did this real quick and we'll move on, but when I had a job as a security guard back in, I believe it was 2020 and 2021.
And then one day in the office, you know, we're picking up our paycheck and she's, oh, I need you to sign this form.
I go, what is it?
She goes, oh, it's something about vaccine certification.
I go, what?
And I looked at it and it was a form from the county.
And the county wanted to have our company just like all the other companies in the county have their employees self certify whether they were vaccinated or not.
That was it.
They just want to know, were you vaccinated or not?
And I, you know, I tore, I tore the form up right away, within like two seconds of receiving it.
I tore it up and I go, I'm not signing that.
And I left.
They didn't fire me and I wasn't really worried if they, if they, if they did.
But the point being is, I don't know how many people would have had the same reaction that I did.
And of course, that's what we need going forward.
We have to have that sort of reaction to these people across the board, whether it's pharma companies, vaccines, you know.
You know, any number of other impositions of tyranny, digital currency, surveillance state, real ID, people just have to reject it.
And I am not optimistic that they will.
I hope you were paid, Paul.
But you know, you're just more outspoken, you have more integrity, you're willing to confront issues that many want to avoid.
I wouldn't describe that as being asinine in any way, shape or form.
I mean, it may be something that is off-putting to a lot of people, but I think it reflects very well upon you, my friend.
I mean, again, I just was sort of using that word that's pretty well understood and described and people have used that on me.
They've also used arrogant and recently somebody in my family used insufferable.
But anyway, we can continue with the show.
Yeah, yeah.
Bonnie, tell me, just give me more.
You, you, I think, have watched the whole interview.
Is there more we should watch here?
Yes, you should see a little bit more with the two studies.
Okay, just to prove what Paul is talking about, they concocted this.
We also have an apparel line in our store that is just to carry glasses.
In fact, I go and shop in my own store.
I mean, I really do go and buy stuff out of my own store.
They have T-shirts and sweatshirts and cups and mugs and tots.
We've got a great designer.
We're all.
You know what, I have to tell you really quickly.
So I am, I'm trying to create some change where I can.
I've been a Screen Actors Guild member for a couple of decades.
So I'm campaigning with other people that refuse the job.
We band together, but there's other issues within this organization.
So I lost my interest in the arts after this whole pandemic, but I am running because I feel that there are some issues that I would like to resolve.
Like, you know, I'm not saying that I could do this all on my own, but at least to put my voice in, stop the drug company advertisements on TV, and I would like to stop animal exploitation.
I'd like to stop more fast food commercials too.
But anyway, I met Sherry Tenpenny because she was a guest speaker at an event to raise money for a lawsuit, which we're still going.
Because of the vaccine mandate with SAGAFTRA and we couldn't work.
So I met her there and she was very kind.
Okay, so let's get back to this.
New things all the time.
And either one of those, Sonic, are so important.
So we're seeing the fun, fun, fun.
Everything you buy every time you go to the store.
Glad we could give.
Well, welcome back, everyone.
Boy, I'm sure I'm hoping that you had a double dose of very strong coffee for this for this interview this morning because this is really HEDSY stuff, but super, super important.
So we're talking this morning with Tom Havlin and Greg.
Harrison, who's been, you know, evaluating lipidity.
Is this what you call dead air?
Throughout his career.
And so he's putting the, the pinning the pieces together of why this should have stopped a long time ago.
Did you not hear it?
No, I couldn't hear it.
I don't know.
Can you hear it, doctor Fetcher?
Can you hear it now?
I can hear it clearly.
Go ahead.
Okay.
For millions of people have been died and injured across the planet.
Greg, why don't you take up where you left off there?
Okay.
Without going too much into the mistakes.
to the much deeper the chemistry.
I'd just like to again point out the papers confirming our findings.
Where it talks here, where we're over on the right hand side here, is actually the structure of fibronectin.
And fibrinogen, by the way, and fibronectin are very similar molecules with very similar structures.
The liver produces both during the night and it's part of the wound healing mechanism.
But it talks here about the spike binding to the F3 portion on the fibronectin molecule.
Okay?
Surprisingly, the phospholipids also bind to the same binding site.
Here we're talking about the phosphorylated site of fibronectin binding to the same site.
Now the reason this is important, if we go back a few years earlier, you might remember that white clot syndrome is not new.
White clot syndrome was reported back in late 1988, 1990s.
That was very rare, right?, Greg?
Seeing very, very rarely.
Not in twenty percent according to the data.
I'm pointing it in.
It's that the white clot syndrome that it's determined and found to be formed by the heparin interaction with sulfur.
Now heparin contains sulfur.
Sulfur and phosphor sit beside each other on the periodic table and they compete against each other.
And in fact, phosphorus has a higher Lewis acid number binding site on it.
And it will actually outcompete sulfur in many of these reactions.
My point is, if phosphorus is sulfur is binding to fibrinogen fibrinectin., phosphorus will do the same thing.
And here's a paper confirming heparin, which contains sulphur, binds to the same site.
And what's important about that for the listener, in case you can't see it, is go back, go back a couple of slides that you were showing that Greg.
Go one more right there.
This paper was published in 1988.
So the mechanisms of this has been around for a long time that the people that put these together had the information available to know what was going to happen.
And then the next slide after this one, when this one said white plot syndrome, and then the very next slide said white plot syndrome when heparin goes haywire was published in 1991.
This has been around for a long time, this information, knowing what was going to happen.
That's the point.
It's really important to emphasize that.
I think you're implicating the scientists at Pfizer, Moderna and these other companies.
They should have known this was going to happen.
Yeah.
Well, once I remember, the white clock basically disappeared.
Once they worked out that it was a high molecular weight heparin sulfate that was actually causing it, they changed.
These tactical gloves are tough enough to survive open flame and sharp objects, yet flexible enough for everyday use.
Meet the military grade gloves that formulation, by the way, I think I said.
produced a molecular weight of it.
I think I said 1989, so my mistake, 88.
Now, white clots essentially had not been seen by the NBA since those days.
And even those days were very rare.
Only people were telling them.
But as Tom has found all over the world, and I can confirm here in Australia, there was actually NBA finding these clots here, and also in New Zealand.
And we've been contacted by people who are seeing this.
This is not a rare phenomenon.
Have we got enough?
Have we got enough?
My point is that they were not seen widely before 2021.
All right.
Okay.
So I'd like to just finish up a little more, if I may.
I'd like to try and find the slide that shows that the spike protein causes phosphorylation.
Just bear with me a moment.
I'll see if I can find that slide.
While he's doing that, I'll remind the audience that Moderna and Pfizer are planning to come out with new drugs using the same mRNA technology and using, by the way, the same DSPC lip and nanoparticle that they're currently using for the COVID vaccines on all these other shots.
So this could be disastrous for humanity if Greg's theory is true that you know both the lipid nanoparticle and the spike protein produced by the vaccine are indeed involved in this unusual altering of the clotting process and thanks tom because again if you now look at the paper on the right hand side of the screen saar cave2 infection triggers phosphorylation that's another paper Now,
if it's triggering phosphorylation and we're finding huge amounts of phosphorus in the white clots, there could be a link, don't you think?
Okay, so I'll stop it there.
Excellent.
Well done.
Monique, you saved the day.
I mean, I'm so happy.
You wanted to join.
You wanted to comment.
And because of the way we're using Discord, I don't right now wait for callers to comment.
So I added you as a commentator.
But you've made a major contribution to today's show, given that Tom was, I think, sabotaged.
And Paul, you've made many, many valuable contributions.
You know, it's only show management where you and I have issues as a rule.
I find your comments in general highly valuable, insightful, informative with a few exceptions like, well, we don't need to address at the moment, but we're well aware.
In any case, good job today.
Go ahead, Paul.
Add a few more thoughts if you want, and then we'll turn to Monique.
Go ahead.
Well, I mean, again, what can be said?
Don't take any shot.
I've been telling people for probably 25 years, there's nothing coming out of a needle that you need to be healthy.
And you know., people just are ready to accept it or not.
I'm saddened by the fact that in many cases I get that look, you know, I get that look like, Who the hell are you to be selling this to me?
You know?
So, including not that long ago, within the last few months, there's a guy, a young guy in his probably his thirties, I would say.
He's a manager of this post off, you know, postal mailbox annex, one of those places that does like copying and picking up mail and all that, right?
Anyway, he's taking care of his little baby girl most of the time at the, the shop, but his wife is full time taking care of their four year old fully autistic child.
And I try to tell him one day, I go, look., it's because of the shots, you can't get your newborn here.
He's got an infant.
I said, you can't have any more shots at all.
And he's like, well, what?
Why is that?
And I said, well, we got stories of parents taking their child in for routine child shots and they turn autistic as they're sitting there in the clinic.
When it gets a shot, he's gone.
I remember from your Your advisory is so well taken.
Look at the office for a comparison.
They forgo shots and they're healthier, smarter, better related to reality than most Americans by far.
Well, once once you understand the basics, which is okay, back in the nineties when I became familiar with the work of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and you know, I never thought about much of that before.
I mean, you hear things, right?
But then the ingredients to a lot of these things were exposed.
In other words, you know, aluminum and squalene and MSG and all these different things.
And as soon as I heard some of the ingredients, also thymerosol, right?
As soon as I heard those ingredients, that's all I needed to know.
I said, oh, okay, well, now I get it.
I got the whole picture.
Now, as soon as I saw those ingredients, I had the picture but for some people they believe in in voodoo science you know um practiced upon us by these evil uh in many cases Jewish witch doctors or Jewish paymasters and uh this is the way it is real quickly um just for the fun of it because I've heard you before Monique and I know that you were at the screen actors guild you know I haven't been a big TV or movie watcher quite a while is there anything you would have been known for
oh actually here let me um share with you something that I did let me uh change my virtual background and you'll be able to see with your own eyes I was, I mean, I was in different shows with speaking lines, but they were more like cable and reality, and but I did a lot of major shows with backgrounds, so maybe you can pick me out in this.
Do you know which scene this was?
What movie?
I can't really tell from no, I can't right off the bat.
Where am I?
I'm sure you can tell, right?
I can see a background, but I can't see you in the background, unfortunately, or whatever.
I'm the only biological female in the background.
Which film?
We're about a beautiful mind.
Beautiful mind.
Okay, gotcha.
Gotcha.
Yes, and Dr. Fetzer went to where he went to school.
What was his name?
Gotcha.
I'm forgetting the names today.
You're wonderful, Monique.
You did a great job.
Paul, you were sensational today.
Very happy.
Tom Alois got sabotaged, but we got to see a whole lot of what he would have had to say, including the clots actually taken from human bodies.
Everyone out there, spend as much time with your family, your friends up are people you love and care about.
We do not know how much time we have left.
Use it wisely.
And, and I'm now disposed to say in spite of being an agnostic, God willing, we'll be back on Monday and join you again.
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