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July 28, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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Real Deal SPECIAL (27 July 2025) with Brian Davidson and featured guest Gary Marquez
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This is Jim Fetzer, your host, with a special real deal report with Gary Marquez, who not only has a vast background with the Army, but also as a professor of history, but also with the NIH.
And I'm telling you, I've rarely, if ever, had a more target-rich guest featured on one of my shows than my guest today.
And I was introduced to Gary by Brian Davidson, of course, a private investigator from Houston, who's made so many valuable contributions of so many of my shows and my research, especially by doing the research and preparing two affidavits related to Sandy Hook,
one of which was Exhibite E when I went to the Supreme Court of the United States and sought a motion for reconsideration when they turned down my initial petition for a writ of certiori, which I thought was going to blow them away.
But they were adamant.
I think it's just too hot a potato.
I'm hoping that may change.
But now, in relation to my case in Wisconsin here, I have four appeals before the Court of Appeals that are currently panting based upon the initiation of my motion to open sanctions based on extrinsic fraud brought upon the court,
where the single most important document I have in support is another affidavit by the same guy, Brian Davis, an absolute sensational, which now confirms my conclusion argued throughout the case that the alleged deceit Noah Posner was actually a fiction based upon photographs of his,
of Michael Wabner, who turns out to be the youngest son of not Lenny Posner, but the guy who's behind Lenny Posner, because Lenny's another fiction, Reuben Wabner, and confirming that the party who came to Madison and testified under the name of Leonard Posner,
which I thought was, who I thought was too young and too small to be the real Leonard Posner, aka Reuben Wabner, turns out to be Ruben Wabner's older son, Benjamin Wabner.
So he kept it all in the family.
In any case, this is all before the Court of Appeals.
I'm hoping they're going to overturn the case.
I have a positive indication that might happen because a judge in my case who had committed one egregious ruling after another, depriving me of my right to present evidence by denying it admissibility,
even including the reports of two forensic document experts, when I was being sued for declaring a death certificate that was incomplete, that had been provided by none other than Leonard Bosner to my research colleague Kelly Watt,
was fake, where the two document experts and thereby allegedly defaming him, where the two forensic document experts confirmed it was fake, as were three other versions of the death certificate.
I mean, after all, if nobody died at Sandy Hook, then there aren't going to be any authentic death certificates.
But this one claimed to have died from multiple gunshot wounds at that place at that time.
So what I'm saying, Gary, is you come recommended by an extraordinarily qualified guy who has been like my strong right arm in doing some of this research.
And I'm completely fascinated by what he sketch out for me about your background, both in the Army, some in Africa, the fact you've been involved in education and the University of Maryland Global Program for Students Abroad, and that you have a vast background regarding the National Institute for Health and its research.
Gary, I got to say, I've seldom had such a target-rich guest as you provide here today for subjects of such enormous importance.
Welcome, welcome to this special real deal report, Gary.
You are, I'm so glad to have you here.
Well, it's a pleasure, and thanks for the compliments.
You know, I would say really quick right off the bat, there was a great general during Desert Storm named Norman Schwartzkopf.
Yeah.
And he was extremely popular, even toyed with the idea of running for president.
But he wrote a book, and it was called It Doesn't Take a Hero.
And so as, you know, I, along with thousands of others who went into the military service or served as federal employees for the country, we went about our daily duties without ever thinking we were heroes.
I certainly never thought that of myself.
I just plowed along for 47 years, you know, like Joe in the mountain walking up that hill.
But it was all a pleasure.
It was a great honor.
You know, I tell young people every day that I run into them, join the service, finish your high school, go into the service, do your three, four years, get out, come back and go to college, enter politics.
And I think it was a great career.
And I was very fortunate to be in the right place at the right time when University of Maryland in Korea approached me about teaching.
And those audiences were young soldiers, some retirees, some contractors, but the majority were young soldiers.
And I was aghast at how little they knew About civics and American history.
I was appalled.
And I just thought it's criminal of the education that American students are getting these days.
So it's a real pleasure that you've invited me.
And thanks to Brian for reaching out.
Oh, yeah, this is all fabulous.
It is, you know, the first lesson a graduate student learns is to only rely on primary sources or make them fundamental, which will give you a perspective on secondary, of course, because they invariably have a point of view.
And where it's virtually criminal that so many in America believe Wikipedia is an authoritative source on so many subjects because Wikipedia will not allow original sources to be cited.
Gary, it's a travesty.
That means they can pick and choose from the secondary source, the one that represents their predetermined point of view, which I've discovered from experience is Zionist, pro-Israel.
Really, it's promoting a certain point of view on any issue of contemporary significance with the least political ramifications.
For example, I founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth in December 2005 to bring together experts from around the world to sort out what really happened.
And when I discovered they had blatantly false claims about scholars, I repeatedly sought to correct them.
And every time I introduced a correction, I was rebuffed and reverted.
This happened like five times.
And I finally had an exchange with the editor.
I said, you're not going to let me fix it, are you?
And he said, no.
Even though I was the founder, I knew more about the history of scholars than anyone in the world.
I wasn't going to be allowed to correct it.
So he had this pretense.
Anyone can correct, you know, as though it reflects the best knowledge from this vast community.
But it's bullshit.
It's just complete bullshit.
And on basic subjects that are not politically significant, Wikipedia is reliable, generally speaking.
But on anything remotely significant politically, any complex or controversial issue, absolutely not.
And if you were to go to Wikipedia about me or my lawsuit, you get complete rubbish about it.
In fact, it's astonishing today how much propaganda is on the internet.
And what's fascinating, we occasionally get a breakthrough like this Grok, which Elon Musk has created, started spewing all kinds of truths about how the government is run by Israel, Congress, Israeli occupied terrorist.
They had to shut it down, Gary, fast.
You can be sure in the future.
But this Grok appears to have been really sensational, like the equivalent of four computers working together to process information.
But nevertheless, ultimately, it's going to reflect that basic principle of computer science, G-I-G-O, garbage in, garbage out.
And they're loading it with, in terms of these issues that matter to them, a lot of garbage.
Your thoughts?
Well, you're absolutely right.
And, you know, just playing around with Google the last couple of days, there's another feature within Google.
And of course, that's not a primary source.
And we don't allow that as a source material.
Although students, you know, they keep trying to use that.
But there is a new feature in Google called AI Deep Dive.
And so I don't know if you've used it, but when you click on that, it does kind of like what you were saying with Grok.
It shows you that it has gone to 50 or 60 different websites and articles.
And what it does is it synthesizes all of that information in seconds.
And then it gives you a summary to what your inquiry was.
So I think that's another great feature of AI where you don't have to sit there and read 60 articles.
So I think it's a nice feature as long as it's unbiased.
And when they do the summary, what I would like to see is kind of a bias rating.
Okay, here's the summary, but is it biased right or left?
There's a website called Ground Truth.
And Ground Truth has that kind of a meter of where it was biased or not.
And I think that's where the American public really needs to wake up to all this bias that they are enforcing.
Yes, which are generally oblivious and unaware.
Brian is so good at utilizing internet resources.
I want his thoughts here too.
Brian, please join the conversation, my friend.
Well, when I started learning open source intelligence, I quickly realized that there are two schools.
There is the police investigator school of proper research prepared for court testimony.
And then there is the other method, which is what is used to get journalists to take the mainstream media approach.
And I found that the second school was so severely retarded in terms of, and this is the one that the journalists use for research on open source intelligence, but it was so severely retarded and twisted that it was laughable.
They were literally using examples in their teaching materials for the schools for journalists of false flag events and how to prove them with false flag events, how to use secondary sources and secondary mainstream media articles to prove that an event took place rather than Inspecting any of the primary, earliest, and most reliable evidence that originates from the scene.
And as many of the listeners know, I cut my teeth on the pulse nightclub.
That was my great awakening because prior to that, I had heard about Sandy Hook.
I knew very little about it.
But I had opened up the police manual on open source intelligence, and I had gone through seven or eight hundred pages, built my own Linux environment, knew how to do open extreme research on that stuff.
And then the Pulse Nightclub happened.
A guy named Norman Castellano comes on TV, lifts up his shirt, shows a piece of gauze tape to his back.
And this is less than 48 hours after the nightclub shooting.
And he claims that he was shot four times at close range by a high caliber rifle on Fox News from the passenger seat of a Honda Civic with a piece of white gauze tape to his back.
I said, I got to get to the bottom of this.
And it took me about three weeks to figure out everything that happened that could be tracked using all the, I only used primary source material that came from the site between midnight and about 6 a.m.
And I was able to unequivocally change my mind about the mainstream media, Fox News, all of everything I've been taught.
Because at that point in time, I thought I was pretty sharp listening to Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson or Megan Kellia.
I must be informed.
Boy, was I wrong.
And I had to rethink everything I thought I knew as a result of that.
That's called cognitive dissonance on a massive scale.
You got it to have right fasting.
Yeah.
Orlando was so ridiculous.
They were even allegedly throwing bodies into pickup trucks that rushed into hospitals, which of course is absolutely verboten.
I mean, you could harm or even kill somebody by doing something like that.
There were no ambulances on the scene, no emergency response.
They ultimately created phony footage for a nightclub that actually had been closed three years before when it had been repainted from white to black.
So it had been abandoned already for three years.
It's like the elementary school, which turns out to actually have been special needs in Newtown.
The school actually was closed as far back as 2006.
There were neighbors who were interviewed at the time who said they thought was odd any students were there because the school had been closed.
Well, the nightclub had been closed too.
And it had an occupancy, a legal occupancy, 150.
They claim over 300 were clammed in there.
And yet they showed what was supposed to be footage, but it had noticeably no date time stamp.
And you got these gay guys dancing, but there's plenty of room.
They aren't packed in like sardines, which would have had to have been the case if they actually had 300 and a facility could only handle 150.
I mean, it was ridiculous how fabricated, how fake and false the whole business was.
Brian, that's wonderful to cut your teeth on that.
Many would find the Boston bombing a whole lot easier because that falls apart immediately once you get serious about it.
Mark, Gary, I suspect you haven't been engaged in research on false flag events, though some, I think you were in the midst of whether you were knowing or not, like COVID.
I mean, when you were at NIH, you were there during the COVID pandemic.
Am I correct?
Well, not exactly.
I was there from 2013 to 2016 at NIH, and we did react to the Ebola outbreak in Ghana.
But no, I was in Germany during the COVID outbreak.
So, you know, we were there.
We were, you know, forced to immunize.
And I say forced.
The military members in my unit had no choice.
They were either going to get vaccinated or they were going to be discharged.
And several thousand were discharged for failing to take the immunization.
As a federal employee, I took the vaccination and the booster, and I still came down with COVID.
So, you know, all that Dr. Fauci said was a lie.
Biden's statement was a lie.
But we were forced to work from home for about six months.
You know, we'd go into the office like one day a week.
You know, things really kind of ground to a halt.
You know, we perfected Zoom.
It was probably the most vulnerable time for the armed forces.
I mean, can you imagine if Russia would have invaded at that time, they would not have stopped at Ukraine.
They would have gone all the way to Poland and Czech.
I mean, it was just a terrible catastrophe, and the science lied to us.
So would they have deployed soldiers with these flimsy face masks during COVID?
And I believe they would have.
Damn with the science.
We're sending these soldiers to combat.
And if they catch COVID or they catch a bullet, it's in defense of the nation.
So, but no, I was at NIH for the Ebola outbreak, and we did react.
We sent maybe 100 doctors down to Ghana.
Our budgets were impacted.
You know, we were spending a lot on research already at the Institute for Infectious Disease, which is what Dr. Fauci led.
You know, there are 23 institutes at the National Institute for Health, and infectious disease is just one of them.
But significant budget, close to $600 million, was spent on Ebola research from 2014 to 2016.
I knew Bob Livingston, who was the head of Two of the Institutes for Neurological Diseases and for Blindness, who actually called over to Commander Humes, who was at the Bethesda Hospital across the street, to tell him, you know, about a throat wound reported widely on radio and television of why the neck had to be dissected very carefully.
And the FBI cut in and wouldn't let him continue the conversation, which he thought was rather shocking.
But because he was not only a world authority on the human brain, but an expert on wound ballistics, having supervised an emergency medical hospital for injured Okinawans and Japanese prisoners of war during the Battle of Okinawa, he explained to Humes how carefully they had to dissect the neck, because if the shot was from in front, as it appeared to be, that would confirm multiple shooters and therefore a conspiracy.
Humes would later call him back and ask what it should look like if it had been a wound of accident, later being to explain.
And then Humes used that information to alter the wound to make it look more like a wound of accident.
How bad is that?
Gary, it appears to me you are engaged in real medical crises like the Ebola and these other events in Africa and contrived ones.
I do not believe in the history of the United States the nation has endured any more severe hit than shutting down the economy.
That was more devastating than multiple nukes on America as I see it, from which we have never recovered.
Your thoughts?
Well, I certainly agree.
You know, my wife and I were in Germany.
We saw the German economy suffer greatly.
The Germans restricted us to our place of residence within a 20-kilometer radius.
So if you were caught driving outside of your radius, the Politai would stop you and they would give you a fine, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous.
You know, of course, you know, everyone's driving inside their cars, you know, individuals wearing a mask.
How stupid is that?
You know, you're going to give yourself COVID?
But we saw Europe kind of grind to a halt.
You know, the U.S. economy, you know, closing.
You know, it's just ridiculous to leave the mall of America in Minneapolis open, but you shut down all the churches.
You know, how ridiculous is that?
Well, it's all about money and anything that the government could get their hands on as far as revenue, but they really missed the boat.
Can you imagine the millions, billions of tax dollars that they lost during that six, nine-month period when they just kept everything open, similar to the Spanish influenza.
Many small businesses were shut down.
I mean, they couldn't survive.
They depended on day-to-day transaction to continue to stay in business and they were shut down.
David Icke was brilliant about this.
He foresaw in the beginning that this was an attack on small businesses and that the vision was like to return to a feudal society where you had the rich ensconced in their castles and the rest of us were functioning as serfs and slaves in the field.
He actually got it right.
And the program, the agenda remains in place to this day.
Gary, it's just stunning what's been going on here.
Well, I think that the puppet masters and the deep state, they missed their greatest opportunity to turn us into a socialist nation during that pandemic.
They had the wherewithal, they had the motive, they had the means.
I mean, you take a look at the state of Minnesota.
It almost became a police state where you had neighbors actually calling into a hotline to report other neighbors not masking.
I mean, that's diabolical.
That's straight out of the Russians' playbook, you know.
And, you know, East German Gestapo, the Stasi, I mean, it was crazy.
But I say they missed because somehow the cabal couldn't connect all the dots.
You know, and maybe Biden, if he would have instituted, you know, martial law, we would be on the path to socialism.
But they didn't pull that trigger.
Thank God they didn't pull that trigger.
But, you know, look at all the people that tried to expose the truth were shut down by the media, by the government, by each other.
You know, I remember videos of women on planes yelling, screaming, punching people who weren't wearing a mask.
You know, I mean, how crazy was that?
So I think we dodged a real bullet during that pandemic.
And I kind of think that, you know, Trump would love to impose martial law with all these protests.
But I don't think he would dare do it because of the popularity.
I just don't think.
And, you know, we all here remember the riots, you know, in 68 and the protests and the March on Washington.
My God, you know, when Martin Luther King spoke at the Lincoln Memorial, there were a million people in attendance.
I mean, that's incredible.
Now these protests, you know, about Palestine, maybe 10,000.
But I think if it ever reached that peak that the civil rights did, and not all civil rights protests were peaceful either.
But they came close to imposing martial law back then, 66, 68.
You know, look at the LA riots.
I mean, This country's gone through a lot of crap, but today, I think, with all this Palestinian crap taking place on the campuses, I think it pales in comparison to what we saw during the Vietnam protests.
I don't know your thoughts on that.
So disturbing.
I'm dedicated to freedom of speech, the First Amendment, right to petition your government, peaceable assembly, and the idea of expanding the definition of anti-Semitism, which itself, of course, is an abomination as in any form of anti-racial or anti-race attitude or bigotry.
But criticism of Israel and its actions is profoundly justifiable today.
Even the International Court of Justice has found they're committing genocide.
The United Nations has confirmed it.
Nation after nation recognizes it.
It's pure propaganda to suppress freedom of speech here in the U.S. on the ground that protesting genocide is supposed to be anti-Semitic.
It's outrageous, Gary.
And I just find it antithetical to higher education.
You want students to develop their critical thinking ability, think things through, and take action to impress their society.
And yet here's the government doing precisely the opposite.
Your thoughts?
Well, you know, we implemented hate crimes and hate speech about 20 years ago.
You know, when you look back in history, the very idea of hate speech, which is not a legally defined concept, actually, it means you're hurting somebody's feelings.
Well, who gives a, I mean, that's not part of freedom of speech.
You shouldn't be able to say anything, no matter how incendiary, as long as it doesn't bring about harm to people.
I mean, that's our right as Americans, outrageous to constrain it.
Now, I'm not sure if every state has a statute for a hate crime, but hate crimes began about 20 years ago.
You think back in the 70s, the 80s, there was no such thing as a hate crime.
But now, you can, like that young man in South Carolina that went into the church and killed, I don't know how many 10, 15 black parishioners, his death penalty, and they tried him for a hate crime because of all the literature that he had, because he was fundamental racist.
Okay, so that's not freedom of speech.
Now, he could stand out on the corner and talk racist vile all day long.
And that's hate speech, but it's also protected freedom of speech.
You can talk about anything you want.
So as long as it doesn't lead to violence, and I think that's where the fine line that the government is trying to play with this Hamas upheaval is where does it cross the line with words turning into violence.
And, you know, when they are hostile to Jewish students on campus, they block their way, they push, they shove, they hit.
That's violence.
And so that's got to be considered a crime.
Whether it's a hate crime, that's another fine line, I think.
But it's a fundamental crime of assault.
Gary, based upon my research, that's not happening.
Nobody cares who's a Jewish student.
In fact, the Jews are more protesting more actively.
They took over Grand Central Station, Jews against genocide.
The whole thing making it a form of racism is, it's all propaganda.
And you mentioned the Charleston shooting.
That was a staged event.
That was a phony event.
I just, it's interesting by coincidence.
I just got a report exposing, you know, the Charleston event that I'm going to republish.
I mean, it's an old event.
I was all over it at the time, but it's just like Orlando, the nightclub shooting there.
They contrive these events to give them ammunition to use when they want to promote an agenda that the public isn't going to be enthusiastic to buy.
Brian, your thoughts?
Well, we obviously are false flag guys.
Gary is a Department of Defense guy for the most part.
Gary, why don't you give us a little bit of background in some of your work related to supporting, you were deputy to the commander in Europe, correct?
And so you were in charge of a lot of military style logistics.
So there must have been a lot of contracts floating back and forth, big contracts, big money, moving materials from point A to point B to respond to, like you said, the Ebola virus, Zika virus outbreak.
Even under Trump, while you were in Germany, Trump, you had Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
So I want to kind of just listen to you talk about some of these contracts, things that didn't quite smell right.
Where did the money come from?
Was it an NGO?
Was it a military order?
Was it a private contractor?
Just sort of tell me what you saw when these events would develop that would force the military to respond.
Tell us how that works.
Well, I spent 30 years in the military, primarily logistics and every form, fashion of logistics, from beans to bullets to fuel to the end items.
And then when I retired, I went to work for ITT in Qatar, which maintained what we call pre-position stock, PPS, or commonly referred to as war reserve.
So in Qatar, we had 10 warehouses that were 300,000 square feet each that were built right after Desert Storm.
And we stored and maintained a complete infantry brigade, mechanized infantry brigade with tanks and Bradleys.
And so that started about 92.
So I got there in 2006.
A lot of the combat equipment had been removed from those warehouses, pushed up through Kuwait, across the Berm, and drove all the way across the Euphrates into Baghdad.
So the very first tanks came out of War Reserve, and the crew came out of Fort Stewart, Georgia, part of the 3rd Infantry Division.
So very historical that the Army pre-positioned war reserve, that entire brigade equipment were the first in the fight during Operation Iraqi Freedom, OIF.
So we still maintained about $100 million worth of supplies in those warehouses.
And I had a fairly large crew of U.S. expatriates and foreign nationals.
So we did maintenance of vehicles as well.
But our big mission in 2006, we were receiving 150 Humvees that were battle damaged in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And they would either be flown or shipped to us to repair.
And we had a two-week turnaround time, complete breakdown, everything, engines, axles, everything, to put those vehicles back into the fight.
So this was a cycle for years, two weeks to rebuild.
And actually, the maintenance facility was called NASCAR.
And they had all the banners above their bays signifying their favorite drivers, like A.J. Foyt and whoever.
So the contract itself was worth $120 million a year.
So part of the contract was, now this was an old type contract, which was good for 10 years.
They don't do that anymore.
They do a base year with contingent years.
So they got away from doing 10-year contracts.
But one of the features of our contract was that they could surge maintenance and supply personnel anytime to any hotspot, you know, whether it be Somalia or Iraq or into Afghanistan.
And so we were constantly sending mechanic teams and supply teams up into Iraq all the way up into 2009.
So that, and then from there, two years later, I moved up to Kuwait to Camp Arifjan, which was sprawling, huge.
And we also had the same thing there, maintenance of heavy equipment, tanks, and armored vehicles.
And so that was a big maintenance.
Plus, we did storage of war reserve as well.
Now, during this time, you know, the equipment had to be refurbished, but it also required upgrades.
And as you recall, the big surge of 2006, 2007 in Iraq, which thousands of soldiers were being maimed because of roadside bombs and IEDs.
Well, we had to up-armor all these Humvees.
So we would get these 150 Humvees down and we would up armor them, put plates underneath, which doubled the weight of the Humvee from 2,500 pounds to almost 5,000 pounds.
Well, the 5.6-liter engine was too weak to carry all that weight.
So guess what?
General Dynamics got the contract to rebuild 6.2 liter engines.
And so we had to drop those engines into thousands of vehicles.
Now, you're talking about the military-industrial complex at work.
And these guys were making big money.
So a person like me on the ground, I was making X amount of dollars while ITT, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Boots on the Ground, they were making 70% more in personnel and staffing.
And another little feature of government contracts, which states it in writing, profit.
Normal profit is 6%.
So that's part of the contract.
The government's already paying for that.
So, you know, and part of that industrial complex is this churning that's constantly evolving.
So right around 2008, the Army decided, well, let's get away from the Humvees and let's go to an MRAP.
Now, an MRAP is about 19 feet tall, made out of armor.
It is a huge beast, three-inch thick steel body.
And so they shipped about 12,000 of these MRAPs into Iraq and Afghanistan.
So in 2009, I was in Balad Air Base in Iraq, which is the northern, just north of Baghdad, when we saw being towed into the camp the first MRAP that had taken a shell through the belly and killed the crew.
So this indestructible, huge vehicle.
I mean, it was massive.
It was supposed to be the stop all the deaths and injury.
And the government spent billions of dollars on this MRAP.
In fact, it came to us so quickly, we didn't even have a manual to go with it.
Can you imagine that?
Getting a piece of military equipment with no manual.
So how did they fix that?
They sent their own technicians.
Oh, wonderful.
How much did their technicians make?
Well, 30 cents on the dollar to their 70 cents on the dollar.
So you see, just money over fist.
But the appalling thing was when I stood on the street along with hundreds of other people and watched this MRAP being towed in and the underbelly was open like a can shot with a shotgun and spewing out hydraulic fluid all over.
And we thought, my God, there is nobody safe because, you know, the terrorists are, they're going to find a way.
They are absolutely smarter than us.
They're going to find a way.
And the funny thing is they tried the MRAP up in Afghan.
It wouldn't work.
You know, too mountainous.
It's not an all-terrain vehicle.
So by 2011, I had moved to Korea, still deputy to the commander for War Reserve.
And we were told you're going to get 1,200 MRAPs from Afghanistan.
Well, what are we going to do with them?
Hell, Korea is more mountainous than Afghanistan.
And they said, well, we're just going to park them in your area and figure out what we're going to do.
And this is 1,200 out of 12,000 that they bought.
The other thousands went to Italy, where I was also the deputy to the commander.
So, you see, you had these vehicles being shifted all over.
Think about the transportation cost.
Think about the maintenance cost.
And so the plan to move the 1,200 MRAPs to Korea fizzled and died.
And they only sent 100, and it was a test case.
So the 2nd Infantry Division up on the border, they got these 100 MRAPs, tried to figure out could we insert them into our strategy?
After two years, they said, it's not going to work.
We need highly mobile, very light, Bradley-type track vehicle.
We don't need this MRAP.
So bottom line is we spent 12, we bought 12,000 of these vehicles with a rush delivery.
And right now they're sitting in boneyards.
So that is an example of the military-industrial complex, in my opinion.
I have a friend, Gary, who had advised DOT on the type of weapon to use in different terrain.
And he said, in these wars, you need tracked vehicles.
And the general overwrote him on the ground.
He explained you're going to have a lot of soldiers who are losing BIMs if you don't use tracked vehicles.
But he was overridden by a general who wanted to do research on prosthetics.
He wanted a bunch of limbless vets to come so that they could be subject.
You must have been Colonel at the time, or were you Colonel Fulbright?
No, I was a Chief Warrant Officer.
Oh, really?
Yeah, so Chief Warrant Officers in the Army.
These are the Navy Marines.
The gunnery sergeants and the Masker Sergeants.
We were the technicians.
Yeah, we were the technicians.
And my old mentor told me when I became a warrant officer, he said, warrant officers in the Army are truth tellers.
We are the only ones that can go up to a commander and say, you're full of shit.
That is not going to work.
And they'll reasonably listen to us, right?
As opposed to a lieutenant or major or colonel.
I mean, we usually have that kind of reputation.
But what you said about the track vehicle, I'll never forget one of my heroes, General Eric Shinseki, was the chief of staff of the Army.
He went before Congress, and this was a big blow-up, that the Army wanted to get rid of its tanks.
And they wanted to remove the tank, replace the tanks with wheel vehicles.
And Shinseki was a tanker.
That's how he grew up.
He was the chief of staff of the Army, and he's telling Congress, you don't know what you're doing.
We have got to keep tanks for the future.
Build them bigger, faster, but we got to have tanks.
And he was overly criticized, terribly criticized.
And then, as it turned out, in 2001, approaching the Army's birthday, he decided that we were going to start wearing the black beret.
Instead of the ball cap, we went to this stupid black beret.
Well, unfortunately, because they wanted them for the Army's birthday in June of 2001, they put in a rush order.
And guess what country made hundreds and millions of black berets?
China.
And so he was lambasted for that.
He said before Congress, you wanted these a million berets within two weeks.
There's only one country that can do it.
It ain't Kentucky, and it ain't Tennessee.
It's China.
So guess what?
They gave back the million berets to China.
They broke the contract, paid for it anyway, and then they went into business with a firm out of Kentucky.
But, you know, Shinseke said, you got to keep the beret.
You got to keep the beret.
And I was really glad to see that Shinseke retired and he became director of VA.
And unfortunately, they hounded him incessantly about the Poor services that the VA provided to the veterans, and most of it was because of SESs in all these VA centers who sat on their asses and didn't innovate, hired cronies, and it was all part of this, you know, you can't fire me syndrome.
And, you know, they were literally protected.
And Trump came into office in 2017 and he started firing a lot of those directors of VA.
And of course, you know, they went to the courts and a lot of people were held up.
But he did manage to fire several.
I remember one was the Phoenix VA office.
You know, Brian probably could research that.
But I know several have been forced out.
And that's the other problem with, I'm not so sure if I would categorize it as the military industrial complex, but it is a complex of senior executive service folks who feel entitled to lifetime tenure, which they're clearly not.
They're federal employees.
Sometimes, Gary, referred to as the deep state.
You know, the senior executive created the schedule after gives them the opportunity to hire and hire.
I don't know how far it's gone, but it was a great idea.
You may be more knowledgeable than I as to how far it's gone.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
You know, the SES, I took a couple of notes here.
The SES, they only comprise about 7,500.
Below them is GS15, which is about 27,000.
GS14 is about 150,000.
So when you take in total the GS14s, 15s, and SESs, you're talking about 300,000.
So where do these 14s and 15s and SESs work?
At the highest levels of government.
So what they really do is protect the deep state.
They are the purest form of bureaucrats.
They can stall policy and legislature indefinitely.
It can go from one inbox to the other.
It can be stalled for rewrites.
It can be stalled for hearings, committees, task force, pilot programs, you know, all of this double speak just to delay what a director of the FBI wants to do.
And, you know, we used to have a term as a civil servant that when we had a terrible commander, we would just wait him out because we're here forever.
Commanders come and go.
Commanders, directors, you know, every two years, they're going to change.
So you don't like something, just wait him out.
Delay it as long as you can.
Don't enforce the policy.
Do everything you can to undermine what his intent is.
We used to call this corporate terrorist.
And corporate terrorists do abound in the federal government.
And it's frightening that I've seen upfront and personal commanders say, this is what I want to do.
This is the direction I want to go.
And as soon as the meeting was over, the cabal would get together and say, how do we stop this?
We ain't doing that.
So, I mean, let me understand your vision of the cabal.
Are we talking about corporate structures?
Are we talking about military-industrial complex?
Are we talking about globalists?
Are we talking about councils, like the Council on Foreign Relations?
What is the Cabal to you?
Well, I think it's a group of people who are like-minded and they have agreed on a specific course of action of whether they're going to support or not support an executive decision.
And it could be corporate, could be military, it could be inside government, outside government, but it is and it exists probably in every country.
Now, are the countries intertwined?
I don't think so.
I think that the military-industrial complex in the United States is very complex.
It has a lot of moving pieces.
I don't think that there's one person in charge of it.
The same as the deep state.
You know, the deep state, you've got every department, Homeland Defense, DOD, Department of Health and Human Services.
You know, they have, maybe it's better to terminate as a counterculture, that they really don't want to support the director, Tank RFK Jr.
I mean, he's got so many great ideas and he has so many initiatives, but he's got these GS14s and GS-15s and SESs.
Now, under them, you've got hundreds of employees.
So can you think for a second how much influence a GS-14 has over HHS when he has 300 employees who depend on an annual appraisal, who depend on a bonus, who depend on, hey, boss, I need Friday off.
Are they going to go counter to this guy?
Probably not.
And when that guy says the director of HHS Kennedy wants to do X, But I'm not going to support it, those 300 employees will fall in line because they've got motivation to do so, financial motivation, right?
So, you see, that's where the cabal is focused.
They are resistors to change, they're resistors to progress, they're resistors to efficiency.
You know, it's funny, I went, the Army sent me to a lot of training.
The best training was Lean Six Sigma.
And Lean Six Sigma taught us how to remove wasteful procedures and improve efficiency.
So I earned a black belt in Lean Six Sigma.
I went into Korea, had about 30 Korean employees.
I said, okay, let's sit down and let's talk about how do we make this operation more efficient.
They turned white.
They really had nothing to say.
And I got one of them to tell me later why.
And it was all because of job protection.
You see, the more that people like Elon Musk want to make things efficient means people are going to lose their jobs.
People lose their jobs, departments lose funding.
Can you imagine HHS loses half?
Well, in fact, OPM.
You asked me a question about the new OPM director.
Well, he's already slashed OPM employees from 3,000 to 2,000.
So when he keeps slashing, OPM could become very irrelevant.
You know, size matters.
Size equals budget.
I'll never forget telling a colonel in Hawaii, if we take parts A, B, and C and put it together into one company, we could eliminate three commanders, eliminate 100 bodies, and you would have one company instead of three detachments.
The colonel looked at me and says, you're freaking crazy, Marquez.
You know, bodies are power.
Bodies mean I can remain a colonel in charge of this brigade.
The more is better concept, right?
And so, you know, the thing about I learned early, Army budgets focus on one thing every year, incrementalism.
You got to increase 10% every year.
Whether you need it or not, just incrementally increase your budget.
Whether you need it or not, that's the key.
Brian Moore.
Yeah.
I think we want to get into Fauci and his operation there and how he really crippled America and the deadly.
I mean, I'm glad you seem to have said that AVAX is 80 minutes of well we've got a sound loop problem somewhere Jim it's either your speakers or Gary's but it's causing havoc with the video no I know there is a lot of feedback I just I just moved my cell phone away from the computer maybe that's what it was perfect let
ask a question.
Most people see the senior executive service as sort of a fourth branch of government.
Who or what controls it?
Is it a blob like Mike Benz teaches or is it more of a group of people with similar interests operating in the same direction?
Well, there are two types of SESs.
There are career SESs who are appointed by the department heads.
So HHS, for example, Bobby Kennedy would have to appoint that person.
Normally they come up through the ranks 13, 14, 15 and then jump into the SES realm.
And then there are appointed SESs that work in the cabinet, the White House.
And those normally serve during the term of the president.
And when the president expired, his term expires, then that SES term also expires.
Some will stay like in the DOJ, maybe Homeland Defense.
But like I mentioned earlier, there's only 7,500 SESs.
So they, certainly there's a fraternal order to SESs.
But I don't think it's on a large scale conspiracy.
You know, you've got SESs in, in direct department of ministry, interior, probably don't have anything to do with some SESs in the DOJ.
Now, those, I would say those within the FBI, CIA, national defense, there may be a closer link to ideology.
You know, and I think that's where collusion played a part in the Russia hoax.
You know, when we're starting to hear now, Brennan, Comey, I mean, Brennan was CIA, Comey was FBI.
You know, there's several other key players in there.
I'm sure they, they were all colluding with intent to disrupt and dismantle Trump's first term, and even election, for that matter.
So, you know, I, I think that they, they are isolated within their departments.
And, you know, like I mentioned, my opinion is the 13, 14s, and 15s within the department of defense, right?
within the Pentagon you know they they have the power to influence whether a policy is going to go forward or not.
And I'll give you an example.
Go back to 1992 under Clinton.
Clinton was hell-bent on inserting into DOD don't ask, don't tell.
I don't know if you remember that, Jim, but don't ask, don't tell.
Now, there were generals, admirals up in arms over this.
They wanted no part of this.
And it really culminated in there was a beating and death of a soldier at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, who was gay.
And people took him out with baseball bats, killed the young kid.
And in some areas, it probably got out of hand.
But it wasn't rampant.
It wasn't pervasive.
You know, I knew soldiers who were gay.
I knew women soldiers who were lesbian.
Didn't bother me.
And they were still in the closet, but you could still tell.
What Clinton wanted to do was allow them to come out of the closet and say, I'm gay.
I'm serving in the military.
And you're not going to kick me out of the service because of that.
That was the protection.
Well, like I said, admirals, generals were up in arms over this.
But at the time, there were a lot of bureaucrats in DOD who were totally against it.
And they delayed everything they could from Clinton announcing this.
But eventually, he had enough support in the Pentagon, in the White House, to push this thing through and make it a policy.
And now, I mean, we have openly gay commanders.
Hell, we have transsexuals in the military that Trump is now forcing out.
I mean, it's crazy to me to have a female commander who used to be a male.
You know, it's just crazy.
I don't agree with it.
You can do anything in American society, but not in the military, not when our defense of the country is at stake.
And I'll tell you a little story.
I was in Hawaii.
We went down, I was in post-grad studies with University of Oklahoma, and they would fly their professors out to Hawaii, where we would do a seven-day, one-week, of course, there was a lot of prep.
And can you imagine a grad course only got two credit hours, so I had to take a hell of a lot of classes.
But this one happened to be on American presidency.
Clinton happened to fly in that day at Hickam Air Force Base.
So the professor thought it would be cool that we would all go down and stand in line and shake Clinton's hand.
So Clinton came off the plane, Air Force One, tarmac, Hickam Air Force Base.
None of the 25 students in my class, all military, stuck our hand out and shook Clinton's hand.
I refused to shake his hand.
When he got up on the podium, the Pacific commander, four-star admiral, refused to shake his hand.
I mean, it was really noticeable.
And it was like, wow, this is really amazing.
And that's how deep-rooted the senior military was in 92.
Now, you fast forward to 2025, well, 2020, you know, the whole wokeism thing, you know, and they're embracing it.
You know, you look at, you know, Secretary of Defense Austin.
He was a four-star general, four-star general, but he openly accepted gay in the military, trans, you know, individuals in the military.
And it just, you know, what was he thinking in 92 as a young lieutenant captain?
Did he change that far from his culture, from his ideals from 92 to 2000 in 20 years?
Or was he just going along for the ride because he didn't want to lose his position?
And, you know, I met General Austin a few times in DC.
He seemed like a hard charging infantry officer, and I would have never believed that he was going to support gays in the military, but he did.
So, you know, hopefully we've got past that.
And, you know, I just don't think there's room in the military for that.
You know, I'm going to kind of shift just a little bit.
A lot of people in our conspiracy-minded society, and especially there's a growing group of us, sometimes we go too far with the idea of all these events are scripted and planned.
You were the guy that was responsible for making sure that the contracts were fulfilled, the equipment was delivered.
Did you feel like events were pre-planned and pre-scripted and then fabricated?
An emergency would force the movement and purchase of all these materials?
Gary, maybe you just turn on yourself.
We're getting all that feedback.
okay Okay.
Yeah, Brian, I think you're on to something there.
I think that there were times during Iraq and Afghanistan where there was some intel that led to an overreaction.
And then sometimes I thought, you know, are they just trying to test out a new concept?
Instead of acting on a real threat, are they merely trying to introduce a new strategy or new equipment?
You know, the drones, I mean, when you look at the history of the drones, which started like a paper airplane, I mean, these things were not sophisticated at all.
They had no bomb-carrying capability.
But as you look 20 years ago, I mean, look at where we are with drones today.
I mean, these things are highly sophisticated and very costly.
So have we run the gamut and the hell with the expense?
I mean, we're spending billions of dollars on drones.
Is that fabricated?
Do we really need to do that?
I mean, with all the sophisticated aircraft that we have, I would think that why are you going to spend a million dollars on a drone that can be shot out of the sky from a shoulder-fired RPG?
I mean, it just, it seems like it's wasteful.
I mean, an RPG is not going to take out an F-16, but it certainly can a drone.
So are we flooding the market with drones because they're just neat to have, or because the contractor, Raytheon, is making money over fist, you know, which goes back to the military-industrial complex.
There have been other times where there was some saber rattling from the North Koreans, which, of course, everyone started hyper-ventilating that there was a full-scale invasion.
And, you know, was there an overreaction from the Americans to test new strategy, new tactics?
Was it something that was over-inflated?
And of course, this involved the South Koreans as well.
So their industrial complex was at work as well, saying, wow, we really need to beef up security along the border.
Really?
I mean, we've been on that border for 60 years now.
But, you know, the North Koreans keep playing this game.
And, you know, that's another thing.
North Korea, they keep rattling their saber year after year, you know, sending off missiles.
You know, what are they getting out of this?
Well, you know, I think North Korea has proven to be one of the biggest exporters of military hardware in the world.
I mean, they're manufacturing weapons to send to the Russians probably more than any American ever imagined.
Is that their statehood?
You know, while their people are starving and dying, you know, all they care about is making weapons.
You know, it's a god-awful shame that, you know, here we are 60 years after and it's still divided.
Will it ever become one Korea?
I certainly hope so.
But, you know, I've seen North Koreans in Seoul.
You could almost tell by looking at them that they were North Koreans.
They were shorter because of malnutrition.
They had bigger heads because of malnutrition.
They didn't know how to dress.
They didn't know how to socially interact.
And a lot of Korean friends of mine said, yeah, you can tell they're North Koreans.
It was kind of, you know, I was here, I was in Germany when the wall came down in 89.
And the West Germans instinctively knew if you were from East Germany.
And they used to call the East Germans Ossis for East, right?
And they just acted different.
They spoke different.
They spoke German, but they spoke different.
And they just had a kind of a hillbelly country air about them.
And the West Germans did not like it because the West Germans had to bail them out billions and billions of dollars, not to mention all the jobs that were going to be lost to all these people coming from East Germany.
So yeah, I think that you have a point, Ryan, that there are things in the background that are being created, fabricated, if you will, to create action, which normally requires military action.
I agree with that.
Do you think that there's been a patriot purge from the military?
Guys like General Flynn?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know, I went to General Flynn's event here in Houston, a well-received event last year, showed his video.
I mean, a hell of a story.
And, you know, I think people followed General Flynn out the door.
I think the Super Patriots had enough with a wokeism.
I think that many of them who were retirement eligible did retire.
I think that you see the recruiting numbers now.
Recruiting is up in all the branches.
The Army has significantly increased their recruitment.
So, you know, we're getting them back.
But I do think that the Super Patriot colonel, Lieutenant Colonels, some generals, yeah, I think they left because, I think more so because of Biden's tenure and wokeism.
You know, they just, you know, I was there in Germany and every week we had to go Over DEI.
And I used to argue that how more diverse can the Army get when we have Black chiefs of staff, Black generals, female generals?
I mean, I don't see how you can get any more diverse.
25% of the Army was Black.
20% was female.
We had more foreign-born soldiers in 2020 than ever in history.
I mean, I'm talking people from Africa, Central America, South America.
We had people from all over.
And as a professor, I used to teach these young people.
And I was always shocked at 25 students, at least 15 of them, were not born in the U.S., at least 15.
And, you know, the motivation was you join the Army, and after three years, you get a fast track to U.S. citizenship.
That was the deal.
And that's why a lot of them joined.
So they didn't join out of patriotism.
They joined because they wanted a U.S. citizenship.
So, yeah, I think you got a great point there, Brian.
Do you think that there's a conspiracy of influencers that are pushing the NGOs, the World Economic Forum, our academic institutions into DEI by placing strings and provisions on resources?
And what would the motive be?
Yeah, there's no doubt that there are great influencers, and I think Trump is doing his damnedest to weed them out.
I mean, just look at the USAID funneling taxpayer dollars into all this DEI crap.
It's just appalling.
It should make every American sick to hear about gay opera in Hungary.
How does that strengthen the defense of the United States?
It just smacks of absurdity.
So, yeah, I do think that they have tried to influence.
I mean, Trump just removed us from the Economic Forum, the Paris Accords.
He's trying to get out of.
I would not doubt that we are probably going to force the UN to find another headquarters.
Go to France, go to Germany, go someplace, but we're not going to pay for that anymore.
It's a tremendous drain on New York City whenever they have these UN gatherings.
So what's the motivation behind all this DEI?
I think you go back to the basic premise of conservatism is to conserve what we've established.
And a lot of people don't want that.
You know, the progressives, they constantly want to change things.
Why?
Just to change it.
That's the only reason.
They want to move the couch from the left side to the right side.
Not for function, not for aesthetics.
It's just the fact that I want to change from the left to the right.
And I think that the DEI movement was progressive in nature and wanted to change all the rules.
And I used an analogy that if the speed limit is 55 and you're going 60 because you had to pass the car in front of you who was doing 55 and you get stopped for a speeding ticket, the progressive's argument was the guy was going too slow.
No, he was doing the speed limit.
And the cop said, you're still guilty of speeding.
You went five miles over the speed limit to get around the guy.
You're still guilty of speeding.
The progressive would argue against that.
And it's black and white to me.
But that's what the progressives want to do, is they want to have an open-ended speeding speed limits on everything.
Just rules be damned.
Remember a couple years ago, they actually said they're not going to accept the SAT scores anymore.
So what's the measure to get into a school?
Well, if it's on DEI principles, then they're going to take 30% black, 30% female, 30% gay, and that's not meritocracy.
That's not how America was built.
So yeah, I think that's their whole motivation behind this DEI thing, which is crumbling quickly in almost every facet.
Now, the other thing that you mentioned, how did they lock this in?
That for a government contract under Biden, you had to follow DEI principles.
A government contract, if I had a small business and I wanted to do business with the government, I had to employ X amount of blacks, X amount of Hispanics, X amount of gays, X amount of disabled people.
Now, is that going to harm my business?
Am I going to get the best employees?
I don't think so.
So that's how, and Biden changed that on day one with an executive order that said all government contracts will conform to DEI.
That hurt a lot of businesses.
And a lot of businesses clearly didn't want to play the game.
So they got out of government contract.
All these issues that we talk about in the conspiracy community, in my opinion, seem to be, well, we're on a train, headed off the tracks, rather quickly, but they're all going in the same direction.
It seems to me that the direction is to destroy United States hegemony.
So who gains when the United States becomes weak?
Well, I think the biggest gainers are China and Russia.
China being the old communist state, you know, written in Chinese history thousands of years ago, when there was a thing called the Middle Kingdom, it stated that China would rule the world.
Well, maybe that's fantasy, but I mean, it is written.
Is that in Xi's philosophy, in his mind?
Maybe not written, but I think culturally they believe it.
Russia, you look at Putin, came from the KGB.
Russian folklore will talk about, you know, Ivan the Great conquering the world.
You know, they want world domination.
And, you know, I wouldn't doubt that with more power that Putin can build.
Of course, he's getting a lot older now, but I think if he was a man in his 60s, he would probably turn Russia into a communist state again.
And he would go after all those satellite.
I think there's 20 independents that broke away from the USSR.
I think, you know, in his mind, Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are Russian.
They may speak Ukrainian, but they're Russian.
In the whole history of Russia, Ukraine has always been considered Russian.
And they can't get over the fact that they speak a different language, they have a different culture.
Although there's probably 20% on the Eastern Front that are Russian, a lot of Americans don't understand that, that 20% of Ukraine population are ethnic Russians and speak Russian in the Donetsk on the border that they're fighting feverishly over.
So yeah, to me, the real people, when America crumbles and falls away like the Roman Empire, we will be consumed by China and Russia.
We will become a satellite.
You remember a movie, Brian, a couple years ago that Patrick Swayze was in where the Russians invaded the United States.
Red Dawn.
Red Dawn.
And I tell you, that was as close to reality as you can get.
And the theme of the movie, of course, is that you can't match American spirit.
We're going to fight like hell to maintain our independence.
And even before that, I think we mentioned this when we spoke up there at the lake.
I really can see in the next 50 years states breaking away and forming secession.
I see it coming.
I think Texas is going to lead the way.
I don't think it's too far off.
Well, I hope that's true because it appears that even Donald Trump doesn't seem to have the power to modify the direction of the train at this point in time.
He's unwilling to open the Epstein files.
He's unwilling to expose many of the conspiracies that got him elected.
And I think it's just going to continue to get worse unless there's a radical intervention.
We had hoped that Trump would be sort of our last desperate hope at a radical intervention.
But from everything I'm seeing now with this administration, it seems that the senior executive service has his hands tied against whoever is pulling the strings.
And so I guess my final thought, and I'd like to get your thoughts.
How can America be going in the right direction again?
What is it going to take?
An iconoclast or a leader?
Which way would you go?
And how would you do it?
How would you do it?
Well, I think, you know, his first six months, he's been playing whack-a-mole.
You know, he's achieved a hell of a lot more than any other president in a six-month span.
He hit a major roadblock with the judicial, who are not in the position, first of all, but they have impeded his progress tremendously.
I think if he were allowed to do what he wants, we would be even further ahead.
But I think that what he said before many times is, I can sign an executive order, but then the next Joe Biden comes in and he's going to rip it up, which he did in 2020.
You know, he, first day, I mean, I think he eliminated over 100 of Trump's executive orders.
And so what they really need to do is push Congress hard into bills and even constitutional amendments, which is very tough at this time because you don't have majorities in the House or the Senate.
What I would like to see, Ted Cruz has floated this idea several times of term limits, two terms as a senator, three terms as a Congress.
And I think that would level the playing field as if we could actually get to term limits.
And then on the judgeships, I mean, term limits on that.
I mean, who in their Right, mind, would want a judge to serve until they're 100 years old.
Who would want an appellate judge for 40 years?
You know, it's crazy.
And I think that they really need to change those rules.
The next big step would be campaign contributions.
I mean, they're crazy.
When you think about the Senate race in Georgia, they spent $150 billion on a campaign contribution, and almost 90% of it was out of state.
So you make campaign contributions in state only, and it would stop a lot of that crap.
But I think it's got to be congressional mandates, and they've got to push for some of these reforms.
And if the midterms turn out the way we hope, and they get much higher majority, if Texas is to redistrict and gain five seats, I think they're talking about three seats in New York.
You know, if they redistrict, of course, you know, Illinois and California, they're talking about redistricting as well, you know, that we have to play as nasty as the Republicans.
I think it's a great idea, especially when you look at the congressional map of Texas.
You know, this term gerrymandering has been around for, I don't know, 200 years, right?
And it looks like a salamander, you know, from head to tail, all over the map, right?
And you look at Houston, my God, I mean, there's some streets in that congressional district which are Democrat and two streets over are Republican.
It's ridiculous.
You know, take a block and say, this is Democrat, you know, or this is a congressional district number one.
That's it.
You know, instead of cutting out lines on, it's ridiculous.
But I think that Texas is going to lead the way in redistricting.
They're going to pick up five seats.
And then think of the census in 2030.
What's that going to reveal?
Is it going to add the 12 million illegal aliens?
I mean, that'd be catastrophic.
But I do think that the census, with all this influx of people moving into Idaho, Wyoming, Texas, Florida, I think California is going to lose a lot of seats.
So there's some hope for 2030 in my book, is that when the census finally is done, probably won't be released until 2031, I think there's going to be some shift in congressional seats.
So that's my best guess, Brian.
I don't know.
What do you think?
It's a uniparty, and I'm not part of it.
These guys, I think that they, I think money rules the world in terms of these guys.
I don't think they really have the moral compass that they used to.
There's two caucus rooms in the White House, according to Thomas Mack.
You're either Democrat or Republican, and you can't really be part of a third party that thinks outside the box.
I think we're going to need to have a crisis.
And then that crisis is going to require an intervention.
And hopefully the critical mass among the conservatives powerhouse that responds to the crisis with good old-fashioned values and some justice.
Until we see some justice served on the criminals who sell out our nation, we're not going to have any hope that this nation can change.
Well, you know, Brian, that's a great point.
And when you look back through history, the galvanizing events that brought our country together was Pearl Harbor.
December 7, 1941 brought the nation together, right?
And not even really the Korean War, but then you go all the way up into 911.
So 2001, 60 years later, that event, 911, kicked off the most patriotic period the country has seen in decades.
So those two events, like you're talking about, something catastrophic has to happen.
Either another world war or another attack on the home front.
And those are, I think, the only two options that would really bring Americans together.
The sad part is what you said is that once this catastrophic event occurs, will we still have enough morality and values and culture left to bring us back to where we were?
And who knows, we may have lost that as a country.
We're so divided.
There's so many factions.
You know, when people are carrying, you know, Mexican flags and Hamas flags.
And I mean, you know, do you love this country?
You know, it's an amazing thing.
I've never heard a Democrat stand up and say, I love my country.
I love the American flag.
Let's start singing the Star Spangled Band.
Never.
I mean, they seem to be as less patriotic than I've ever seen them before.
Maybe the patriotic were LBJ, you know, go back to John F.K., but I don't see it in the Democratic ranks.
And I don't think salvation is going to be a third party.
I think a third party would be disastrous.
So, you know, if Elon Musk wants to start a third party, good luck.
You're going to spend billions of dollars and get nowhere.
I just don't, I don't see it in the cards.
So I think you're right.
It's Going to have to be the conservatives that changed the Republican Party into what MAGA was supposedly envisioned to be, not what it is, but it's going to have to be a change from within because we can't just go tear it down and rebuild another party.
Jim, I think we're out of time, so why don't you go ahead and ask you here, Gary.
Vast repository of knowledge and experience about how the government really works, especially the military-industrial complex and the role of the bureaucracy.
Very grateful to have you here.
And we look forward to having you back on a few days.
Thank you so very.
Well, that'd be great.
That'd be wonderful.
It's my pleasure.
It's great talking to two scholars.
Sorry if I ramble too much.
No, no.
But I don't talk that much to my two toy poodles, but I took advantage of the opportunity.
It was perfect, Gary.
Well, thank you all for being here for this real deal special report with Gary Marquez, where I was joined by Brian Davis.
We hope you enjoyed this as much as did we.
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