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June 3, 2025 - Jim Fetzer

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The Raw Deal (2 June 2025) with co-host Paul from CA and special guest James Roguski

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	Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B, the second day of June 2024, 2025.
	I have my co-host, Paul, from California with me, and my special guest, James Rogoski, with whom we'll be discussing COVID-related issues.
	Meanwhile, we begin with some of the major stories of our day.
	Which, of course, includes the huge assault on Russian air base taking place.
	Russia has itself launched drone attacks on Border Town with a NATO member.
	This is prior.
	The drone and area war between Russia and Ukraine continues heating up.
	There's been another close call being viewed as a possible direct threat by a NATO member country.
	Ukrainian officials said Friday, Russian forces set drones on a Ukrainian town on the border with NATO member Romania in the Odessa region.
	The attack at the town of Ismail, Ukraine's biggest port on the Danube, which is important for critical imports and which lies across the river from Romania.
	The big story, however, is Ukraine slamming Russia.
	Daniel Davis talks about it here.
	He's a super good guy.
	Like him a lot.
	Here we are.
	Strikes back.
	And probably the biggest success tactically that the Ukraine side has had since 2022, the late 2022, when the Ukraine side drove thin Russian forces out of thousands of square kilometers in the Kharkov area.
	This strike today.
	The Ukraine side has actually a series of attacks that have gone on inside of Russia that have a lot of impact on what's going to happen on the front line for the first time in a long time.
	But let me just kind of give you the bottom line up front because we've got a lot to talk about here today, folks.
	And I've got a lot of information.
	A lot of this stuff is breaking as we're talking about.
	So there's partial information.
	So I'll caveat most of the stuff as it's being reported right now.
	We're certainly going to cover this again tomorrow and whatever comes out overnight.
	A lot of things to cover.
	But we don't want to wait until tomorrow because this stuff is moving at light speed here.
	And so much is happening.
	We want to bring you up to date.
	On the latest, it's being reported both from the Russian and the Ukraine side here.
	By the way, especially for those who are new to our channel, please like and subscribe.
	We'd love to have you keep coming back and get this kind of information here that you just don't hardly get on any other outlet.
	But let's get right into it.
	Now, this is being referred to by the Ukraine side.
	And in one of the rare cases Very oftentimes, even when Ukraine has done some pretty high-profile things inside of Russia, they don't claim credit for it right away.
	Sometimes they don't ever do it.
	This one was different.
	They came out and said, you see, this is the Kiev Post here, so they're putting it right on their site.
	The Operation Spiderweb, which they said, and the Ukraine side, of course, as you can expect, they said cripples.
	34% of Russia's bomber fleet.
	Well, as it's appearing right now, it wasn't quite that bad.
	It was a severe blow.
	And let me just point blank say, this was a spectacular tactical operation by the Ukraine side that has caused severe damage to the Russian Air Force.
	And in the southern part where there was some train derailments and explosions and sabotage inside Russia, I'll talk about that separately, that is going to really hamper, at least for a period of time, the logistical situation in the Sumi offensive in the front.
	So there are some damages, but I do want to also say, just from the bottom line up front, This is not going to affect the outcome of the war.
	It is unchanged.
	It is huge.
	It is high profile.
	It is a severe blow to the Russian side, but they can endure it because their bomber fleets are in the many hundreds.
	So even if the full number that's claimed by the Ukraine side, which they claim there are 40, the Russian side claims there are less than that, but they do admit that there was some significant damage done.
	They can absorb it.
	Number one, they have the ability to, some of the aircraft have been damaged, some of them have been destroyed beyond repair, but they also have hundreds more in their inventory, many of those that are on active duty.
	Apparently, this 34 number is the number of strategic bombers on the bases hit, but that's not all the bases that they have, not all the places where those, especially the TU-95, nuclear-capable bombers have been based out of.
	So let's take a look at what's happened here.
	What we do know is that this was launched by the head of the SBU, and you saw his picture there on that first image we showed about the spiderweb.
	And yeah, that's the guy right there, the SBU.
	That's their security, secret services, so to speak, their security services inside of Kiev.
	And the guy has claimed, You see that he went on with Zelensky today, and they're really, really taking a lot of credit for this.
	They're saying this was a great deal.
	They couldn't be happier.
	A lot of congratulations and celebrations going on inside of Ukraine.
	And listen, I'm not going to bemoan that.
	They deserve it.
	This was, from a military perspective, it was really good.
	The problem is, it's going to be, number one, short-term duration.
	It won't change the course of the war.
	It'll just be a hiccup on the Russian side because they can absorb it.
	But then there's also the counter, the response that's going to become.
	And that could be the biggest consequence to the Ukraine side.
	Already this is being called Russia's Pearl Harbor by many on the social media, on the Russian side.
	There is a lot of anger in Russia.
	In fact, if we can, I want to show you here, this is a view from the West, and this is what the West wants to believe.
	This is what they want it to mean, and this is pretty consistent with the way the West views this war anyway and their actions here.
	Here from, I believe it's France 24, this is how they see it.
	It was a wake-up call to Russians that there was a war that the Russian state-controlled media has time and again tried to keep as far from public opinion and the ordinary Russian as possible.
	It is coming home to roost right now.
	They can't hide it.
	Moscow's airports repeatedly in recent days and weeks have had to periodically for several hours at a time.
	Be shut down.
	Why?
	Because of drone activity.
	Ukraine, like I said, cannot match nowhere near it in terms of arms, in terms of manpower.
	But what they can do, and they've gotten very nimble at it, is their domestic drone manufacturing industry.
	They use those drones in a manner that is able to, with minimal cost, and I would even say minimal manpower, able to drive home a very salient point about this war isn't going away.
	It's on your doorstep, too, in trying to remind the Russian public that they have just as much vest.
	I mean, there's some absurdities there.
	Russia's already dominated.
	The loss on the Ukrainian side has been between a million and a million and a half on the Russian, maybe 100,000, 150,000.
	Really quite a stunning situation, calling it Russia's new Pearl Harbor.
	Give me a break.
	Meanwhile, Scott Ritter talks about what's going on here, playing with fire.
	Ukraine's Operation Spiderweb has crossed the threshold when it comes to triggering a Russian nuclear response.
	How Russia and the U.S. respond could determine the fate of the world.
	I'll just read a few paragraphs.
	In 2012, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared, The nuclear weapons remain a most important guarantee of Russia's sovereignty and territorial integrity and play a key role in maintaining the regional balance and stability.
	In the intervening years, Western analysts and observers have accused Russia and its leadership of irresponsibly invoking the threat of nuclear weapons as a means of saber-rattling, a strategic bluff tied to operational and tactical shortfalls in Russian military capabilities.
	Russia bullies for the first time an unclassified version of its nuclear doctrine.
	The document called Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence noted that Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons when Moscow is acting, quote, in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of best destruction against it and its allies.
	as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.
	The doctrine also stated Russia reserved the right to use nuclear weapons in case of "an attack by" So he goes on to talk about what Russia may do here under these circumstances.
	And based upon past experience, we can be confident it will be very measured.
	It will be very deliberate.
	But get this, Hal Turner has explained.
	There's been a horrifying security breach hitting Russia that has led to the identification of the location of its nuclear weapons.
	A trove of two million classified docs exposing sensitive details of Russia's nuclear weapons infrastructure has been obtained by journalists from Danwatch and Der Spiegel.
	The leak.
	Includes blueprints at strategic sites, most notably the top-secret Avangard missile base in Yasin.
	The Avangard, a hypersonic glide vehicle, is deployed at the 13th Red Banner Rocket Division in Yasin, Oberberg Oblast, Russia.
	As of December 23, 11 EV hard-equipped are deployed at this location.
	Nuclear weapons.
	I'm very concerned that with this kind of revelation, Russia may feel as though its existence is under threat.
	And, you know, I just count on Putin to do the right thing.
	Paul, your comments, your thoughts.
	Well, it's hard to know exactly what to make of everything.
	You know, sometimes I wonder...
	Now, of course, I'm not hypothesizing that there's a lot of fakery going on with this war, but many people have pointed out A lot of very interesting things.
	So I don't really know exactly, you know, what all the dispute is about.
	You know, is it territorial?
	Is it political?
	What are the aims?
	In other words, you know, such questions as what if Ukraine wins?
	Now everybody says that's impossible, but what if they won?
	What is it they're going to win?
	Are they going to win their independence from Russia?
	And so, for example, if Russia wins Russia, Do they just want to be able to defeat Ukraine for some reason?
	I mean, to me, you know, this just reminds me of a line I read in a book about World War I a long time ago.
	And one of the first lines was, no historian has any reasonable explanation as to why World War I started.
	You know, I know it had a lot to do with mobilizing.
	Back then, mobilizing was considered an act of war.
	But anyway, fast forward to today.
	I'm sure you're as troubled as I am about needless death and suffering over there.
	I would imagine the average Russian doesn't want war.
	The average Ukrainian doesn't want war.
	And, of course, it's just good for business, good for corporations that are, you know, supplying and selling weapons.
	And when they get used up and destroyed, they have to resupply.
	So somebody's putting the money up for this.
	And people are deciding to continue the conflict.
	And, you know, all we could do is just watch and observe.
	But, you know, for me to contemplate these people suffering over there.
	Yes, it bothers me.
	But as I said on your last show, I kind of have Ukrainian war fatigue at this point.
	Yeah, well, no, that's all fine.
	I think there'd be a consensus at the highest level that this is a war against Russia.
	Vladimir Putin perhaps unwisely acknowledged that they have natural resources equivalent to $88 trillion in value.
	This is really intended to be, and Minsk was a cover story, to beef up Ukraine, to actually destroy Russia, dismember it, divide it into parts, and exploit its natural resources, as so many wars are fought for specifically that reason.
	Even in Vietnam, where the only report I ever had that made any sense was Walter Cronkite for 30 minutes in like 1964.
	Talking about how the offshore continental shelf had already been subdivided by the major oil companies and that that really was what it was all about.
	We lost that one.
	The war about Russia, I'm convinced, is not going to be won, but it won't be for lack of trying.
	James, would you like to add comments or thoughts of your own?
	Well, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
	I'll second Jim.
	I've got fatigue in that regard as well.
	What I have learned, though, is when I see all of the media and all of the alternative media focusing everyone's attention on something, my attention usually goes to, you know, what is it they're trying to distract us from?
	You know, what is it that we can be paying attention to and maybe be doing something about when they want everyone in the world to be, you know, paying attention to something else?
	You know, the reality of what's going on there is difficult to know.
	I was under the impression that Donald Trump was going to end that war in 24 hours, like he was going to end the Israeli conflict in 24 hours.
	So I don't know what's holding him up.
	And of course, he could cut off the genocide, the slaughter of the Palestinians, by simply cutting off the bombs and the other weapons being delivered to Israel on a continuing basis.
	So I'm with you 100%.
	And this is part of why I've become profoundly skeptical about whether he's actually making America great again or Israel.
	Paul, your thoughts?
	Right.
	Well, I agree with the comments that were made there about the distraction aspect of everything.
	And when you think about it, one thing takes your eyes off another.
	And there's more than one person online, Miles Mathis among them, Sasha Latapova, and others.
	talking about the fact that all these things are a major distraction from the vaccine genocide, which is ongoing.
	I mean, to me, you know, the idea that you could and that they did this inject millions of people around the world, not tens, tens and even probably hundreds of millions of people around the world with a poison and that many, many of these people died as a direct result.
	And then lots more are dying indirectly because of cancer and other such things.
	And nobody talks about this on the mainstream news.
	What we get on the so-called mainstream news is Gaza and Ukraine continually end tariffs.
	Well, Paul, you don't need to look at it as a distraction so much as a compliment.
	If the objective is depopulation, there's no more efficient method of depopulation than wars.
	We're killing people in the mass, even in Gaza, even if on a smaller scale, depobulation is taking place massively.
	But of course, I do agree with you about the importance of the ongoing use of the vax, which Trump doesn't seem to be doing enough to deal with if he's serious.
	I'm very troubled by all of that.
	Here we have antiwar.com, for example.
	This is fascinating.
	Antiwar Trump is even more genocidal than Biden.
	Let's see what we can hear.
	This is Prem Tucker, who was questioning a State Department spokeswoman.
	Said just earlier today, the world has been shocked by what's happened in Gaza over the past few days.
	The silhouette of a little girl.
	Well, I said it's been, obviously it's been shocked over generations about what's been happening in Gaza.
	The violence of the girl who's being burned alive because her school was bombed?
	Okay.
	Trying to flee burning classrooms surrounding her, killing people around her.
	We've seen thousands of Palestinians starved by Israel's blockade, hurried between fences as they try to get fed today.
	A doctor who saw nine of her children killed by Israeli bombs.
	All the while, this administration, of course, as we've seen, has sought to deport students who protest this, including one student who wrote an op-ed against this kind of behavior.
	The administration came in telling Americans it would be more pro-peace, more anti-war.
	This is beginning to sound like a soliloquy, sir.
	Do you have a question, please?
	Do you have a question, please?
	I'm curious.
	Yes, it's a very serious issue, and everyone has your question.
	Yes, yes.
	So please ask it.
	I wonder how you see this administration being more pro-peace or more anti-war than the previous administration, given these kinds of horrors that Americans are witnessing.
	Yes, well, you know, it is...
	we have to have new ideas to make a difference so this stops and doesn't go from generation to generation.
	What we've got here is after, I don't know, what has it been, three months, a bit over 100 days of President Trump.
	Managing to get, I think, every warring party, every hostile party against other people on this planet to a table to stop.
	Now, that's the simple part.
	Making things happen and making it last is another thing.
	Hamas, we did have a ceasefire.
	And then Hamas decided once again that that was just not going to do.
	and they continue to do what they do.
	That first of all, We refer you to Israel for more information on its airstrikes.
	And we also know, as we all do, and this is one of the things that we discovered time and time again, that Hamas uses hospitals and other humanitarian areas as human shields.
	This is why we continue to try to get a ceasefire done.
	despite the obstacles that Hamas constantly presents.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's as though she were the Israeli spokeswoman.
	It would have been so bad.
	Because, I mean, to the extent anything she's saying there is true.
	It's true of the idea of Israel rather than Hamas.
	Paul, I can tell you.
	The whole concept is so sickening to me, right?
	because people don't want to be killed They don't want to be bombed or shot, so they're going to go hide at a hospital or a school.
	It's a fairly natural impulse.
	Hey, maybe they won't bomb the hospital.
	Or maybe they won't bomb the school.
	But now that we twisted around, well, not we, but the Jewish press, our psychopathic warmongers, and call, oh, they're human shields.
	We're going to have to kill them anyway because they're using hospitals and they're using schoolchildren to hide behind.
	The whole thing is so nauseating and disgusting to me.
	I couldn't agree more, James.
	Again, I'm not going to claim to be an expert on the issues going on in Israel.
	I recall myself being dragged into a conversation probably five or six years ago where people were in a chat group arguing about what can and should be done Israel.
	And I caught myself going, what is it that we're doing?
	We're in this chat group debating about something on the other side of the world.
	Again, as horrible as it is, it's a distraction taking away from what people can be doing in their lives to make the world a better place.
	Now, these intractable problems are We are basically dealing with a psychopathy that is just so deeply ingrained.
	What I've learned is that I try to catch myself over and over and over again where you're trying to use facts and logic and reason.
	To try to deal with somebody's belief structure, whether it's a religious belief structure or a belief in vaccines or a belief in the pharmaceutical industry or whatever it may be, the arguments that are going on, the debates that are going on, deal with people's conscious minds.
	And it doesn't have even a hope of denting beliefs that they will absolutely not let go of.
	I think we really have to ask ourselves, you know, how do we actually accomplish changing subconscious subliminal programming in people who just won't let it go?
	They don't even know they have that program.
	The hate and the, you know, if you turn it around to vaccines, the way pro-vaccine people literally hate On people who are saying, hey, wait a minute, those things might be dangerous.
	There was an article the other day of a young boy who died from an infection, and he had been vaccinated for that specific infection, but yet he died from it.
	And in the article, they quoted a doctor who was not involved in the case, and they said, oh, the...
	Of course.
	When you think about that, well, if the unvaccinated child was infected with something and caused the deceased child to catch the infection, well, wait a minute, that child is still alive.
	So, you know, did the vaccine actually contribute?
	And so all of this is something where, you know, if you are trying to use your frontal lobe and your discerning mind and logic and reason and data and facts, it's irrelevant.
	What we're dealing with is a sociopathy or a psychopathy that dealing with it with logic and reason and discussion is just a waste of time.
	What we have to understand is, you know, how do we access People's programming to get them to understand that they are blind to the actual reality of what's going on because they're driven by their belief structure.
	I have a little bit of an answer.
	Jim, hang on.
	We're in the break and we don't know it because we can't hear it.
	We'll be right back with James at Ball and address these issues in greater detail.
	I'm so glad you are both here.
	We'll be right back.
	Well, if my timing's right, we're back from the break, though I can't be 100% sure.
	And I'm so glad James and Paul are here.
	Paul, you wanted to make a comment there about the basically Zionist defensive answer coming from the new ad to the press corps in the Trump White House.
	Paul?
	No, no.
	I wanted to make a comment on what James was saying.
	Okay.
	James, good to meet you.
	You're obviously a very intelligent and reflective guy who understands a great deal more than what most people do.
	What I can say is, join the club.
	I think I have an answer for you when you are contemplating how we can move people's minds and we can move people's consciousness.
	In some cases, You know, their belief system is so strong, they're just not going to let go.
	And you actually said, you used the phrase waste of time among the many, many other things that you said.
	But here's what I'm going to suggest.
	And this just comes from my background in life and my understanding of people in general.
	Is people need to be told.
	Okay?
	And this actually comes from sales.
	I was in sales a little bit in my career, and there used to be a sort of a little saying, a rule of thumb that we had, which is you tell them what you're going to tell them, then you tell them, and then you tell them what you told them.
	And my sort of somewhat humorous response to some of the things you were saying is like, how can we reach them?
	How can we move their consciousness?
	Is do what I've always attempted to do, which is to hit them upside the head with your two by four of knowledge.
	Okay.
	I've come up with phrases that are very few words that make what I would call a declarative statement or declarative position with people.
	And then I just look at the look on their face.
	So what I've been saying to people for years that I choose to engage with, which nowadays is very few, I will admit, you know, my social circle, my social contacts have become very minimal.
	But I have said many, many times over the years, all vaccines are poison.
	All vaccines are poison.
	Now, I also, as Jim knows, will add the modifier Jew in front of the word poison for the extra emphasis, such as all vaccines are Jew poison.
	And then I'll just see what it is they say.
	Now, most people don't say much.
	Sometimes they get a look on their face.
	It can range from shock and awe, disgust, curiosity even.
	I've told mothers...
	Not one more shot.
	And then I just shut up.
	And I'll see what happens.
	Now, some people will choose not to engage and some people will.
	And I have just told many, I go, how do you know?
	How do you know that these vaccines confer any immunity?
	How do you know that they do what they say?
	The fact of the matter is people don't know.
	They just believe.
	So I'll point that out.
	I'll say, listen, you just believe this because they told you.
	It's what I used to say about the moon landing.
	I said, how do you know we landed on the moon?
	The reason you believe we landed on the moon is you saw it on TV.
	That's why.
	So I'm not shy.
	You strike me as a very gentle soul, and that's a good thing.
	I've become a little bit more gentle in my ways over the years.
	But Jim knows me.
	I can be very confrontational.
	And I think that that's what this cause calls for.
	The vaccine cause, anyway.
	It calls for a little bit.
	Sure, of course.
	James?
	Well, you know, there's a time and a place for diplomacy.
	There's a time and a place for confrontation.
	You know, Jim, there's quite a number of things that, you know, I hope to talk about while I'm here today.
	And, you know, certainly one of them is, you know, how do we get people to understand that the treatment for this supposed problem is, Is dramatically worse than the problem, okay?
	You know, when you look at any of these conflicts that are going on, whether it's Ukraine, Israel, you know, Gaza, or the vaccines and health in general, you realize that the response to the initial issue has made the problem worse.
	Yes, there were horrors going on.
	In the Ukraine, there are horrors going on in Gaza.
	There are horrors, you know, going on in the medical establishment and with COVID.
	But when the response makes things worse, you know, when doing nothing in almost all of these cases would have been a wiser plan of action.
	How is it that people can't go back and go, wait a minute?
	Why are we doing what we're doing?
	Now, to speak very specifically about the topic that I feel an expert on, what happened with these negotiations with the WHO and this pandemic agreement and the amendments to the international health regulations is essentially saying whatever we did as a response over the last five years is the only answer that there can ever be.
	Let's agree to throw billions of dollars to make that answer more prevalent in the world.
	What they did is they said the only relevant health products for any kind of prevention of a pandemic Or pharmaceutical products.
	You know, the fraudulent use of the PCR, we need more of those.
	All of the devices like ventilators, we need more of those.
	All of the drugs like remdesivir or properly pronounced randethisnir, we need more of that.
	And the mRNA, you know, technology, there are hundreds of products that are, you know, being developed for this, that, or the other ailment.
	And there hasn't been a single question of going, hey, wait a minute.
	We're actually making things worse.
	We're killing people with these products.
	They're not life-saving technology that is good for the health of the world.
	These are actually murdering people.
	And they just keep going forward.
	James, what are we responding to?
	You talked about the response is worse.
	So what are we responding to?
	Right, means that back.
	We're responding, you know, in terms of COVID, in my view, to a psychological operation.
	Correct.
	Exactly.
	We're responding to propaganda.
	So to me, to evaluate it the way you just did is a flawed approach or a flawed premise.
	People don't care about the World Health Organization and the vaccine protocols and the medical response.
	They want to know the truth, which is we've been lied to.
	We were lied to about the pandemic.
	We're lied to about the virus, right?
	The vaccines are a lie.
	They're a solution to nothing.
	That's to me is the crux to the issue.
	We're in complete agreement, absolutely.
	Hang on, if I may intervene.
	Sure.
	Oh, James was saying the same thing in very diplomatic language.
	It might be easier for people to understand it.
	Tell them they've been lied to is to confront them.
	Remember, it may have been Martin Twain who observed it's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled.
	What James is saying is a proposed solution.
	Is worse than the alleged problem.
	Well, I understood that.
	Eventually working to the point of being able to be as bold and direct as you are.
	You like to be very direct, but frankly, that's not showing a lot of subtlety in dealing with people who already have something that happens to be false.
	Let me correct the difference, okay?
	What I picked up on, what I was responding to, was he was saying that The response makes things worse, right?
	Now, to me, that's a flawed premise.
	That's a whole lot different than, say, for example, cancer treatment, all right?
	Now, cancer actually exists, okay?
	Cancer is indeed a disease, a condition of health.
	And the treatment for cancer, such as radiation and chemo, So that's a valid way to look at in terms of response.
	But to talk about the vaccine as a response to something, in my opinion, is absurd, okay?
	Vaccines are given to people when they're not sick.
	They're given to babies, okay?
	They're given to people right away in the hospital when they're born, okay?
	When there's nothing wrong with it.
	So vaccines are not a response.
	They're a weapon against us.
	We're in complete agreement, Paul.
	We can nitpick around the words.
	Paul, of course.
	Of course.
	We all agree to all of that.
	But the question is, what James is talking about, how can you get the public to open its mind?
	And honest to God, I don't think your very direct approach works as successfully as is more subtle and nuanced.
	That's the difference.
	He's talking about being a bit more tactful and indirect.
	More nuanced.
	More subtle.
	That's all.
	We agree on the way you describe it, Paul, as being the fact of the matter.
	The question is, how do you reach the public which is already in a bubble of disinformation about this matter, which is actually threatening to their lives?
	Okay, again, my explanation was perfect.
	I just drew the difference.
	So, I mean, I don't know why, again, I just I think you're great.
	Yeah, Paul, allow me...
	We're not in any disagreement here.
	Yeah, I know.
	If I had chosen maybe a different set of words, what has been going on?
	Both in the United States, even though the Trump administration supposedly has pulled us out of the WHO with this year-long process to do so, it doesn't change any of the policies that the United States government is doing.
	We're just doing them on our own.
	And what the WHO has been negotiating is a massive attempt to funnel billions of dollars to build out the industry to manufacture all of these poisons.
	And so what has happened is the media and the alternative media have misrepresented what these negotiations have been about.
	And they've missed really what is the fascist collection of organizations, all of these foundations and non-profit, non-government organizations working hand in hand with government and corporations.
	What they learned and what they're trying to work at this enormous business agreement about is that Big Pharma was not big enough to Put 8 billion needles into 8 billion people on the planet all at once.
	In the middle of 2021, they started these negotiations because there was a shortage.
	They literally referred to the problem at the time as vaccine apartheid.
	They said the wealthy nations are hogging up all this wonderful technology that's life-saving.
	And if you go back to the middle of 2021 and all of the propaganda, and there's much more data since then, you could maybe forgive people at the time for going, hey, wait a minute, these things are supposed to be so wonderful.
	How come we can't get any of them?
	And now, after four years of just horrendous damage that's caused by these products, there was never one word.
	In all of these negotiations for three years, saying, what are we doing?
	The nations in Africa who didn't gain access to the remdesivir and the ventilators and the drugs and the jams, they did several orders of magnitude better in regards to COVID.
	Now, there's a lot of extenuating factors.
	Why in the world aren't we going there and going, hey, what did you do and what did you not do?
	We should replicate that.
	No, they're looking at what happened in Europe and in the Americas, where, you know, 10 to 20 times as many people died from the treatment, right, as opposed to the ailment.
	And they're saying, oh, well, we need to take that technology and spread it all through the relatively poor world by funneling billions of dollars to build out the pharmaceutical hospital emergency industrial complex.
	Because the media and the alternative media are not talking about that.
	They're talking about everything else under the sun except that.
	It's moving forward.
	Now, there was a spectacular psychological operation that happened during their World Health Assembly.
	They failed.
	They completely failed to reach agreement.
	on what they call their pandemic agreement.
	But they sugar-coated it with so much propaganda that the vast majority of everyone around the world thinks that the pandemic agreement is a done deal.
	What happened is they put aside the most important contentious aspect which they call Their pathogen access and benefit sharing system, which means you go look for pathogens and you share them with the WHO and they spread them around all the laboratories in the world so they can turn them into money-making products.
	Well, they don't even have a rough draft of that annex.
	And in the thing that they agreed to, they talk about the business venture, about global...
	But in that agreement that they touted, oh, you know, so earth-shattering multilateral agreement, it says, well, no nation can sign it because they haven't agreed to the PABS Annex.
	And so the whole world has been hoodwinked into believing that the WHO has adopted this pandemic agreement, but they adopted a document that says in the document, no nation can sign it because they haven't finished negotiating it yet.
	So what we're dealing with is, you know, this PSYOP, where the vast majority of people in the world are going, oh, well, you know, I guess the WHO got their way.
	Now we can do.
	But see, nobody can follow that.
	In other words, you can follow that because you operate at a higher level than the vast majority of people out there.
	And then all these details that you just went over, people don't even know that these details exist, much less can correlate them into a narrative like you just did.
	This is something that's going to escape 98% or more of the world's population.
	Whereas what I'm trying to say...
	And it's not just the mainstream.
	It's the alternative media as well.
	I get it.
	The problem is this.
	And again, you and I, of course, are in many ways kindred spirits.
	We're just maybe different personalities.
	But again, Jim knows me for a long time now.
	I just am sick of the lies.
	I can't stand cowardice.
	Or lies.
	That's why I can't stand RFK Jr.
	Because he's a coward.
	Okay?
	He could easily turn this around, but he keeps his mouth shut.
	Okay?
	That's the problem in the world.
	There aren't enough men with balls and integrity to speak the truth and nothing but the truth.
	Not partial truths, not protecting your job or protecting your interests or watching over your money or any other thing or fearing the consequences of what you might say are wrong.
	That's what's going on in the world.
	That's a problem.
	Few people believe the media anymore.
	I would imagine the credibility of the media is far less than what they would admit.
	Well, you know, if what you mean by the media is the mainstream, I'll agree with you.
	Sure.
	Quite frankly, over the last three years, the most difficulty that I have had is the alternative media misrepresenting the facts of a wide number of issues.
	And so when you look at the problem that we have, step number one is to identify, well, what is it you want as a person?
	You have to know who you are and what you stand for.
	And then you have to get your facts straight.
	But in today's world, it seems like people don't have a desire to do that.
	They get their beliefs squared away, and then they will never change them.
	And so, you know, maybe where we differ is what I think I've learned through my 65 years on the planet, is that step number one is to, Because, you know, if you don't have a structure to support you, then it's you against, you know, the system.
	And what the system does is it takes overwhelming power and it focuses on one person at a time.
	You look at SWAT raids and ICE raids and all that sort of stuff.
	They bring overwhelming force against a small segment of the population.
	And what we need to learn to do is to not try to be a lone wolf trying to take down the system because you're just going to get crushed.
	What we need to learn to do is to identify our allies.
	But what we're doing amongst ourselves generally, maybe not here on this call, but out in the world, People might agree on 99 out of 100 things, but they spend all their time on social media arguing about the one thing that they want to disagree about, and they don't put together coalitions to actually work together with people who have an agreed point, and what is it we can do about that?
	Now, along those lines, one of the other things I hope we can talk about, Jim, we didn't get a chance to talk about this in advance, and I don't know if this is going to catch you by surprise, but, you know, I'm trying to raise everyone's awareness of something called the PREP Act.
	99.9% of the population have no idea that it even exists.
	They've never read it.
	They have no idea what it is.
	And in short, it's a law from 20 years ago that got slid in.
	It got attached to a bill that was a must-pass legislation.
	People didn't even know it was coming.
	And it's the law that gives liability protection.
	To not just the pharmaceutical companies, but the distribution companies, the pharmacists, the pharmacy techs, the doctors, the nurses, the hospitals, anybody who stuck a needle into anybody or gave remdesivir or any other product.
	And people don't even know that this law exists.
	And when you corrupt the law and you allow government to work hand in hand, Is it any surprise that they harm more and more people?
	You know, it's only the risk of being sued.
	Like there was a recall of, I think it was Ford vehicles, their rear camera was malfunctioning.
	And so they recalled the product.
	Well, why did they recall the product?
	It's going to cost them a lot of money.
	It's because they're afraid of the multi-million dollar lawsuits that they would get if that flawed camera, you know, caused an accident.
	Okay, so I'll just point this out real quickly.
	One more sentence.
	This is what's missing from the pharmaceutical industry.
	If you can't sue them when their products harm you, what do they care?
	They're just going to keep making products that harm people.
	Okay, so, okay, that's all fine, Danny, but there's a whole big world of difference between somebody such as Ford, who you just mentioned, you know, making a product that they want to sell that benefits consumers and people actually want, versus a deliberate plan to poison and kill us, okay, implemented by the military through the government and through the corporations.
	Basically, the government and the corporations are essentially wearing a mask for a military operation.
	Right?
	That's what the PREP Act was all about.
	You're preaching to the choir.
	I've published on this quite a lot.
	I'm very familiar with your...
	Okay.
	So it's basically...
	Very much.
	So you're familiar with this.
	It's essentially a license to kill.
	And the PREP Act gives them the liability coverage so that the entire United States government A license to kill with impunity, with no liability.
	Yes.
	So you've heard of MAGA?
	Of course.
	And you've heard of MAHA?
	Right, sure.
	Well, I'm promoting MAHA, which is make murder a crime again.
	What they're allowing doctors and hospitals, you know, the CARES Act, Threw money at the problem.
	You know, billions of dollars for using the products that are, you know, in my view, biological weapons.
	But the PrEP Act made it so that if and when harm was caused, nothing you can do.
	You can't sue anybody.
	And so I encourage everybody to go to repealtheprepact.com, understand what it is.
	It's really an educational effort at this point because I'm making up the number, but I bet I'm pretty accurate.
	99.99% of people in America have never read the PrEP Act.
	99.9% of them have never even heard of it.
	When they do read it, I remember when I read it, I don't remember how many years ago it was, there's a section in the PrEP Act that says, No court, no federal court, no state court will have subject matter jurisdiction over the declarations made by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	And my head exploded.
	I'm like, that's tyranny.
	I mean, the whole point of, you know, our system of government is you have checks and balances, you know, executive branch, judicial branch, legislative branch.
	20 years ago, they snuck this legislation in empowering He literally has the power to say, well, you know, there might be an emergency at some point in the future.
	And so here's the products that we're going to spend.
	They allocate three and a half billion dollars a year to put these products into the national stockpile, just in case, maybe in the future, they're going to declare an emergency and there's going to be a problem.
	There's nine different ailments that they're funneling billions of dollars to put products into the stockpile.
	And whatever it is he determines is going to be used.
	Doesn't have to have any evidence.
	Doesn't have to have any data.
	Doesn't have to use drugs that are approved.
	They could be emergency use authorized.
	They could be experimental.
	If he says these are covered countermeasures and when they're administered by covered persons, which is, you know, National Guard or the military or your doctor, your hospital, your pharmacist, even literally.
	Medical professionals whose license may have been expired five years ago, if they cause you any harm, or even if they give you drugs or treatments to address the harm that was caused by the covered countermeasure, it's all covered.
	You can't sue them.
	People don't have even the most remote awareness that 20 years ago the law was corrupted.
	Quite frankly, this is fascism.
	When government and corporations work together to abuse the people, that's Mussolini's definition of fascism.
	Which president was that, James?
	George W. Bush signed it on December 30, 2005.
	What they did is they tacked it on to an Iraqi war appropriations bill.
	Tacked onto that was relief for the victims of Katrina.
	And so at the last minute, they add this thing onto the legislation.
	Interestingly enough, the Democrats spoke up very powerfully against it.
	I've got documentation of Senator Joe Biden at the time and Senator Hillary Clinton and the late Senator Edward Kennedy speaking very clearly about how this violates our constitutional rights.
	It was wrongfully done.
	I encourage people to go to repealthepreptact.com.
	Learn what I think people need to know, because when our government is making crimes be covered to where you can't sue when you're harmed, you must know at that point something is really, really wrong.
	Let's see if Google finds it for you.
	I'm going to repeal the break.
	Very easy thing to do.
	We're hitting a break, gentlemen.
	We're hitting a break and while we can't hear it, it's about to be upon us now, so we'll resume here in just a few minutes.
	Thank you.
	Well, we'll take a deep breath and hope that we're not overlapping with a break.
	James, you're doing a great job in seeking the repeal of the PrEP Act, which obviously is a catastrophe.
	That ought to be right at the top of Trump's agenda if he really wants to make America great again and if he wants to show the public that it wasn't really his idea.
	Warp speed and all that.
	I mean, yeah, he takes claim for not imposing mandates, but I think the public does not trust him on this issue.
	This might go a long way toward restoring some confidence in our medical system entirety.
	If a pharmaceutical, a big pharma doesn't have any liability, they can put any junk in any vaccine they want, no matter how horrific the damage and have complete immunity and not give an SHIT about it.
	Paul, your thoughts?
	Well, you know, I'll try to avoid going on a typical, you know, long-winded rant about this stuff because I've said it so many times.
	on air on your show and others in the past and the problem that we have in dealing with these people is that we are peaceful and gentle and we look to incrementally gain our freedom the way they have incrementally taken it from us but we're not the same as they are because they are Willing to be violent and relatively quickly.
	So James mentioned this.
	I'm glad he mentioned the fact about the way that they come at you or the way that they come at a problem is like a SWAT ring, where they will focus their power on like one particular individual or a small group.
	And in fact, there's somebody we interviewed on another show on another network and talked about what happened to them.
	They were fairly active white nationalists.
	And one thing led to another, and the next thing you know, there was 70. And I even asked the person, are you sure it was 70?
	It wasn't 40 or 50. He goes, no, probably it was closer to 70 that came to his house, a mixture of the sheriff and the FBI and so on and so forth, just to effect an arrest, okay?
	He ended up doing a couple years in prison.
	Now, many people could recount these stories, and the reason I say I'm glad you mentioned it, When we as a people figure out that that's our solution for them, then we can start to win.
	Because all we do is lose.
	So repealing the PREP Act is great.
	I'm all for it.
	But the people that suggested the PREP Act should have been shot.
	They should have been hung already.
	I used to go to a website, and I forget which one it was, and it's probably gone back in the day.
	I don't know, the early to mid-2000s.
	And the tagline on the website was, our forefathers would already be shooting.
	And, you know, that's me.
	That's the way that I feel.
	And I'm a realist.
	I understand the real world.
	These people only understand force.
	Okay?
	Just like when you see, when you watch all these police interaction videos, which I have to comment on the black crime problem, and you understand the nature of blacks.
	Versus the nature of whites.
	Blacks only understand force.
	Okay?
	That's it.
	They don't understand anything else.
	There's no point in reasoning with them because you really can't.
	They understand force.
	And that's what these people are going to need applied to them if we want to win.
	Because as a friend of mine once said, and he's exactly correct.
	The problem with just wanting to be left alone is that those who want to be left alone will always lose to those who want to win and those who are willing to enforce their agenda upon you.
	So, yes, I'm all for the PREP Act.
	I'm all for noncompliance.
	I don't believe anybody should be forced to get any medical treatment.
	But the problem isn't.
	No, there should be no vaccines given to any children because they're all poison.
	I like to go for the root, the root of the matter, and dig it out.
	If I may, I'm going to push back on the racial nature of what you said, but I'll expand on where I agree with you in the sense that I think that we all are on a spectrum where on one end, you know, people want to have their freedom.
	They want to be able to live their life the way they want it.
	But all of us, you know, at some point get a little bit of control freak going and you want to control the world.
	You want things to be done the way, you know, you think is best and so forth and so on.
	But in any given situation.
	People gravitate towards one end or the other of that spectrum.
	And so the people who really believe, honestly and truly believe, I want my freedom, which means you get to have your freedom as well, they don't tend to gravitate to become government officials that are imposing their will on other people.
	And as a generation goes by, that chasm between the two sides, More and more people who want to tell other people how to live their lives work their way into positions of authority, whether it's in the police forces or government agencies or whatever it might be.
	And I think what you're saying I absolutely agree with in the sense that it's against our nature to force them out of office.
	Because we believe in freedom.
	And it's difficult for people who believe in freedom to stand up and say, you cannot do what you are doing.
	You must stop.
	And it's this personality dichotomy that over time, it just gets so out of balance if it isn't corrected before it turns violent.
	I forget who it was that said it.
	Maybe somebody knows the quote.
	I think it was JFK.
	It might have been RFK.
	If you don't allow peaceful revolution, you push that hand towards violent revolution.
	It was JFK who said, those who oppose peaceful protests make violent revolution inevitable.
	And if you look at what's going on today, I mean, you know.
	their beliefs, be treated as law.
	When the facts and the data, you know, clearly conflict with what they want everyone to believe to be true.
	And, you know, as peace-loving and as freedom-loving as people might be, we have to push back against that because if we allow it to continue, we're going to be in, you know, an unfathomable position and we're right on the cusp of it.
	You know, it's this close.
	And I don't think Donald Trump is helping.
	I don't think RFK is helping.
	I don't think these people, they're as in bed with big pharma as anybody has ever been.
	And, you know, they're just still pushing the same agenda.
	They're approving new vaccines with no tests.
	Just to refine the quote, Paul, and then I'll go right to you.
	Theodore Sorensen wrote JFK's best lines.
	Those who make peaceful I think the suppression here and all the censorship about the genocide in which there could be no more noble cause to protest is outrageous.
	It's a clear violation of First Amendment because the government is supporting the suppression of protests on the basis of a fabricated, expanded definition of anti-Semitism that has no By
	the way, I think it was change, not protest.
	Those who make peaceful change are possible.
	I'm pretty sure that was it.
	See, here's the problem, though.
	James just said something about we're right there at the cusp.
	And I gotta tell you, in my opinion, we're so far past the cusp.
	I mean, the cusp is in the rearview mirror.
	When you take a look at what they're doing, they're not just protecting pedophiles, they're promoting pedophiles.
	Jim knows this quite well.
	So many things, whether it's our economic system, our justice system.
	Just a quick revisit of the little debate Jim and I had on Friday versus what I was calling a fake trial, and Jim was saying, well, it was a show trial with a predetermined outcome.
	And I said, well, I don't know what the difference is.
	And I really think the best word is a simulacrum, which Jim used on the air many, many, probably a couple years ago.
	You know, what we're looking at in many ways, we've got the simulacrum of a representative government.
	We have a simulacrum of a money system and what money really is or what money should be, and on and on and on.
	The fact of the matter is this world in so many ways is so topsy-turvy, so bizarre, so upside down.
	They're putting nanoparticulates in the air.
	They're putting nanotech in the vaccines.
	I mean, when you look at the work of Clifford Carnicon, when he discovered that they have fake red blood cells that they're spraying, okay, this is probably nearly 20 years ago, that there's a form of what you call artificial life or pseudo-life that they've created.
	And that they're trying to alter the very genetics of who we are.
	And in many ways, with the weather warfare chemtrail, you know, bio-warfare program, they're trying to essentially destroy the environment's ability to support life.
	I can't see it any other way.
	We're in a war.
	A war.
	You're right about that.
	Quote, peaceful reform.
	Those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
	And simulacrum would be defined as appearing to be authentic, but actually to be fake.
	James.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	So I think James knows all this.
	I'm pretty sure James knows about the myth of contagion, virus mania, you know, what's his name?
	Stefan Lanka, Thomas Cowan, Andrew Kaufman, Sam Bailey, so on and so forth.
	All these people that have the work of whatreallymakesyouill.com.
	I'm sure you know all this.
	So to me, I guess I'm just a very dissatisfied cantanker soul here.
	I just want to take a wrecking ball to the whole damn thing.
	Repealing the PREP Act is nothing to me.
	But I get it.
	Well, you're just a very direct, open, honest guy who's willing to speak his mind and doesn't care who reacts or feelings are hurt, which is right, a noble and I support it.
	James, your thoughts?
	You know, I think my first red pill was actually in fifth grade, okay?
	But my real big red pill was about 30 years ago.
	I actually got involved in health policy back when Hillary Clinton was first lady.
	And she was, you know, trying to rework the health care system back then.
	And I got into an argument with a local television station manager.
	I was living in Rhode Island at the time.
	Long story short, we got into a heated discussion and he called a break in the discussion that we were all having with a group of people.
	And very condescendingly pulled me over.
	He was maybe 15 years older than me.
	He puts his arm around me and whispers in my ear, and I'll clean it up a little bit for your show.
	He said, let me help you out, kiddo.
	We don't give an F about our viewers.
	Our advertisers pay the bills around here.
	Do you understand?
	And so shortly thereafter, I moved out to California.
	And I ended up managing a couple of mom-and-pop herb, nutrition, vitamin, homeopathic stores.
	And I spent 15 years, you know, going down the rabbit hole of learning how to be healthy.
	You know, I haven't been to a medical doctor since I was 19. And I just turned 65. So that's 46 years.
	You couldn't pay me to take an aspirin.
	And about 20 years ago, I got into one too many conversations with people.
	And they said, Jim, you ought to write a book.
	And so 20 years ago, I put together a book that I still give it away for free.
	I always have.
	People can go to yourdoctorisalyer.com.
	And it exposes the fraud of cholesterol.
	And so I'm totally with you.
	You know, the system that we live in, When I hear people talking about, you know, Medicaid for all, you know, that's just an attempt to get more people to swallow and inject more poison.
	And what it really requires is for people to...
	All right, you're going to have a little bit of fun here.
	Do you guys know what the most common...
	I actually did the art direction on that picture right there.
	I don't know if you can blow the picture up.
	Yeah, I was trying to do that.
	I'll see what I can find.
	The most common medical procedure is called a walletectomy.
	Because it's all about the money.
	I mean, the entire system.
	I was going to guess a tonsillectomy.
	Well, you got the ectomy part right.
	I've been railing against pharmakia.
	For, you know, solid half of my life, for sure.
	And this is the problem.
	When most people, if they are not feeling, you know, as good, oh, look at that, somebody's selling my book.
	That's not me.
	That's kind of interesting.
	It's on Amazon.
	It's on Amazon.
	I gave it away and I told people if they wanted to sell it, they can sell it.
	This is not my version of it.
	But anyways, you know, you can see them taking the money out.
	The issue is when people are not feeling well, when they are suffering dis-ease, they've been so programmed to believe, oh, I've got to run to the doctor and get a prescription for a pharmaceutical drug to hide my symptoms.
	I can't tell you how many times, in that book on the last page or so, I put my phone number, and I've had the same phone for 20 plus years.
	And people call me up and we'll have a long conversation about, you know, cholesterol and heart disease and all this kind of stuff.
	And invariably, you know, I've learned my lesson, but I still do it.
	At the end of the conversation, people will say, Jim, thanks for all the info.
	Thanks for talking to me.
	Thanks for your time.
	I'll have to ask my doctor.
	Right.
	And she's like, oh, when are you going to learn?
	You've got it.
	And so what I've learned is, you know, I was having a And I wasn't denting their programming.
	And I was at a friend's summer get-together, oh, probably a decade ago.
	And everyone is in the kitchen milling around, you know, eating and drinking and talking and having a good time.
	And the TV was on in the family room.
	And in the back of my mind I saw Every commercial is a pharmaceutical ad.
	Ask your doctor if this is right for you.
	Ask your doctor.
	And I realized it's not about the advertisement because if you're paying attention and you see all of the side effects that they list, you're like, holy crap, there's no way in the world.
	But subliminally, it's soaking into people's minds.
	And they cannot think for themselves.
	They have been told their entire life, you're not capable of determining what's best for you.
	You have to ask your drug salesperson.
	You have to ask the person who's trying to kill you with poison to make you think you're better because the poison has a different set of side effects than the symptoms that you walked in with.
	And until people look in the mirror and they go, That's the person who's responsible for that person's health.
	And they stop running to a doctor whenever they have a pain or a sniffle or an ache or they don't feel right.
	And they learn how to care for their own health and take responsibility for it.
	Until that day happens, these predators are going to keep preying upon people who don't know enough to know that the entire system of health care in this country is designed To maybe not kill them immediately, but take away every penny from their estate, you know, through insurance or, you know, doctor fees or whatever it may be.
	It is such an unbelievable racket.
	And, you know, I don't imagine that you're going to disagree with me, but it starts with individual people walking away like I did when I was 19 years old.
	You couldn't pay me to go to a doctor.
	They don't know what they're doing.
	When you really do the research and you understand the technology that is available out there, both in the natural world with herbs and vitamins and minerals and nutrients, but also high-tech gadgets that can do things that look like they came right out of Star Trek, you realize that the medical profession is just hanging by a thread, waiting to crumble, because it just is failing miserably.
	But even with that, over the last five years, it's astonishing that people haven't seen it.
	So just a quick, I got a quick little response, and we'll call it a snippet.
	I totally am on board with everything.
	So I'm the same way.
	I started my journey into so-called health awareness back in the 80s with Paul Bragg, the miracle of fasting, and so on and so forth.
	So I started going to health food stores back then.
	But what you just said, though, it just flies in the face of what we're observing when you said their medical system is hanging by a thread and they're ready to, you know, there's a Kaiser Hospital complex not that far from where I live and they're putting up a new parking structure and a new medical office complex and it's booming.
	It's thriving.
	And the medical complex and the pharmaceutical complex are extremely profitable and powerful.
	And so other than that, I totally love it.
	You know, hanging by a thread is probably not the right way to put it.
	Okay.
	There's more people who are clearly pushing back against it.
	You know, their attempt to do what they did over the last five years You know, I think their goal over the last five years was not met.
	Whatever the number might be, certainly in the poorer nations around the world, small percentages of people accepted the jab, partly because they didn't have the capacity to manufacture it.
	But, you know, now you do see more pushback.
	Then you did.
	I'm just astonished that still people are defending it.
	It's astonishing that after the last five years, people's programming has been so powerful that they still can't see what just happened to them over the last five years.
	The lies.
	From the testing to the drugs to the, you know, I mean, my God, using a ventilator, you know, injecting people with drugs that stop your ability to breathe so you can stick a tube down somebody's throat when they're dealing with a respiratory issue.
	If you if you cannot see.
	the ridiculousness of that.
	If you cannot see, you know, the kidney damage caused by remdesivir, if people cannot see it, I put together a 27-article series, NotSafeAndNotEffective.com.
	I just got sick and tired of hearing the phrase, safe and effective.
	It's like, no, they're not safe and they're not effective.
	Back in November of last year, I realized that whenever I did a search, and not even on Google, you know, alternative search engines, all I would get is FDA, CDC, New York Times, Washington Post propaganda.
	So I put together this collection.
	If you scroll down a little bit, there's an open letter to Trump and an open letter to Kennedy.
	But if you go down below that, there's 27 articles of the evidence.
	That all of these injections are just poisonous.
	Scroll down, there's a table of contents with 27 articles.
	The evidence is so overwhelming.
	The only reason why, you know, people are not pushing back on this is because they haven't seen the evidence.
	They believe.
	Yeah, they're seeing the propaganda.
	They've been told by the mainstream and whomever, their doctor, who keep lying.
	In the face of just, you know, unmitigated harm, millions of people reporting, you know, their injuries.
	Oh, but they're covered by the PrEP Act.
	You can't sue anybody.
	And so, you're right.
	It isn't hanging by a thread.
	I stand corrected.
	But, you know, I push back every day with every ounce of my being to get people to pay attention to what's going on here.
	Jim, if you really want to go, if you want to go dig and go back to the page that you were on and go up to the PDF letter, this is an older version of it.
	What's the name of this website real quick?
	Not Safe and Not Effective.
	NotSafeAndNotEffective.com.
	You may have to share it in another window, but the open letter to Donald Trump, it's probably going to open up in another window.
	You may have to...
	In terms of the good news, I believe you're correct.
	There are more people that are waking up.
	The problem is it's generation to generation of what I would fear.
	I mean, I'll be gone probably, but they're going to pull this again in another generation to a generation and a half or two.
	And that's what they do.
	So, you know, for people who want to know what evidence is out there, one of the things I try very much to do is I try not to speculate.
	I try to separate opinion from, you know, fact and data.
	The data is just absolutely astronomically horrific.
	I mean, it's very clear that what we're really dealing with is democide.
	Which is, you know, your government trying to kill you.
	And, you know, it's a Defense Department operation that the laws were put in place 20 years ago to protect everybody from any kind of legal liability.
	And that includes marketing and promotion.
	So even if the, you know, media or doctors or the government lie to you in how they present the products, you can't sue them.
	Gentlemen, I believe we're already on a break, so we'll just stand by and we'll continue in just a few minutes.
	Thank you.
	Well, if I gauge it right, we're back on the air with Paul from California and James Rogoski.
	James, you've been doing such great work.
	I'm very impressed.
	I'm glad we mentioned those various websites.
	Paul, would you not agree?
	Absolutely.
	I plan to visit that website, and I also plan to get the book.
	I love the title of the book, and it reminds me of Dr. Joe Wallach, I believe, where Dead Doctors Don't Lie.
	And I always used to tell people, do you know why that is?
	And it's funny because nobody would ever get it.
	I go, because dead doctors are the only ones that don't lie because they can't lie.
	They're dead.
	James, go right ahead.
	Well, you know, Paul, one of the things I try to do is give people hope and give them, you know, an action that they can take.
	I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think I agree with you in that the systems that we find ourselves dealing with, whether it's health or money or anything else in society, education and so forth, have just been so corrupted.
	I used to do renovation work on old homes.
	There's beauty in old homes.
	Sometimes they say, oh, they don't build them like they used to.
	Well, you know, I dealt with a lot of old homes that needed to be torn down because they were just an absolute mess.
	They weren't built all that structurally sound.
	They were beautiful, but they were falling apart.
	But over time, you know, people put on additions or remodeling and they cover up the beauty.
	And so I'm not going to argue that the Constitution is perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
	It's a flawed document.
	But how many millions of words of statute, legislation, regulations?
	It's impossible for any human being to comprehend all of the quote-unquote rules that we're supposed to be following.
	And so we are in such a mess.
	There's there's a idea It came to me one day.
	How do you find a needle in a haystack?
	You need a match and a magnet.
	And that's kind of what we need with our systems right now.
	The government has become so bloated.
	The legislations and the laws and the statutes and all the regulations are just overwhelming.
	We've got a parasitic class of government officials.
	Who are teaming up now in public-private partnerships with all these NGOs and foundations.
	It's just a way to funnel money, government public money through organizations to end up back in the hands of the oligarchs who are running the whole show.
	The average person, unless we come together in great numbers, we don't have a chance against this fascist overreaction.
	It's more than Mussolini thought.
	There's a third leg to fascism now, and that's the NGOs that are getting involved in these public-private partnerships.
	When it's a corporation and a government working hand-in-hand, you can see the fascism.
	But when they run it through something like Planned Parenthood or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and even the Rotary International.
	I was at a grocery store.
	Maybe a year ago.
	And there was this little card that was all tricked out with advertising all over it for the polio vaccine.
	And the little logo on it was Rotary International.
	They've donated hundreds of millions of dollars to push vaccines around the world.
	And they literally, they put a pause on what was going on in Gaza because they were spending money.
	Doing what they call surveillance on the wastewater treatment in Gaza.
	And they identified, I kid you not, vaccine-derived polio in the wastewater in Gaza.
	And they got a temporary ceasefire to administer more polio vaccines, or I should, you know, the oral vaccines.
	Children in Gaza, it's like, hey, you're not killing the children fast enough.
	We've got to administer some more polio vaccines, when what they found in the water was vaccine-derived polio.
	You give a vaccine, it goes through your digestive system, it ends up in the wastewater, and they go, oh, look, we found what we gave you.
	We've got to give you more.
	The inability for people to see the insanity is astonishing.
	And so, I hate to say it, but it may very well be that what's going on is a calling of the human herd, because the people who are falling for this deceit may no longer be able to procreate.
	And it may be that what's going on in this world is the people who see through it and say no.
	Are the ones who are going to have a chance to survive.
	Absolutely.
	No question about it.
	From an evolutionary point of view, that's exactly right.
	Paul, further thoughts of yours?
	Right.
	Well, that's actually, that conclusion is very well founded.
	It's borne out by all the fertility research that's been going on.
	And there's actually a really good video I just recently saw about that where So it's not good enough for them to bomb us and kill us and shoot us, right?
	They want to make sure that we're vaccinated for polio first because, you know, let's face it, it's bad publicity to kill a bunch of polio victims, right?
	So you've got to have them healthy before you drop the bombs on them.
	Right, James?
	Let me just interject for our audience.
	We would be opening the lines for calls, but because of the situation we're in without Skype, it would lead to cutting off to the studio, so we can't do it.
	But we're working on it.
	We're going from Teams to something called Discords that I am told works very well.
	I'm simply not plugged into the Discord arrangement yet, but we'll stand by.
	It's going to happen.
	James, further thoughts of yours?
	Well, you know, the question at hand was, you know, what is it that you feel we, you know, not just you and I, but people in general who maybe listen to this, what is the best course of action for people to take?
	I know what I promote for people to do, but I'm curious.
	What you all think we, the people, need to do at this point in time.
	Well, we need better, you know, RFK Jr. seemed to be a disappointment.
	I'd like your critique of RFK Jr.
	I mean, it seemed to me you would be in a better role here to assist the nation as Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	That's a job that you couldn't pay me enough money in the world to take.
	You know, the responsibilities in that job are just absolutely astonishing.
	And so, you know, I've never been one to have the savior complex where whether it's a president or a cabinet minister, we've got to save ourselves because they sure as hell are not going to do it.
	Yeah, but James, that's all the more reason you would be perfect for the position.
	You're not in it for any vainglory or self-promotion or benefit or what have you.
	You just want to do good for the American people in terms of their health.
	And that's what we need.
	That's what we need.
	If RFK Jr. were to do the things that need to be done, he'd be fired on the spot, as best I can tell.
	And I wish he would.
	I wish he would do what needs to be done and be fired on the spot, and then it would be very clear as to what the problem is.
	Yeah.
	Paul?
	Right.
	Well, I've made my sentiments clear on RFK Jr., and I just, again, I think that the problem is, the old saying goes, it's one of those tired old phrases about evil triumphs when good men do nothing, is that we have to become something that most people are not comfortable with.
	Right?
	In other words, I've been asked many times, and this question has been posed to me on other networks, on other shows I've done, you know, why is it that, you know, this is occurring?
	Or, you know, how come, you know, the people aren't awake to this?
	Or how come nobody's doing anything?
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	You know, it's like, how come and why?
	And my response has pretty much always been the same as the reason that they're getting away with everything.
	It's because lack of sufficient reaction or lack of sufficient violent reaction.
	And I take everything down to what I call the basic, you know, human interaction level like Lord of the Flies, you know, on the playground when you were kids or, you know, on a sports team or in the workplace.
	There's always some guy, and we all know who that guy was, and maybe more than one, that nobody messes with.
	And what's the reason that nobody messed with that guy?
	Because they feared him.
	Because either he had already done something or people just knew this is the kind of guy, he's not going to take it.
	And that's what we need to become as a people, whether it's small groups or larger groups.
	When we do what it is they fear, then we can start to have...
	Although I'm not that interested in a seat at the table.
	I'm the kind of person I want to run the table.
	You're basically talking about becoming politically more aggressive out of self-defense.
	Well, I'm talking about, you know, using whatever means necessary, including force and violence, because I firmly believe that these people don't understand anything else.
	And I'm talking about...
	But we all know who it is, okay?
	It's been the same thing for a couple of thousand years.
	You know, it's one group that has been mainly expelled from all these different nation states.
	So, they don't understand anything else.
	That's why they have to be kicked out, okay, or they have to be ostracized and put in ghettos, or they have to be kept out of government and education and, you know, teaching everything that the Byzantine Empire did.
	They kept them out of finance.
	It just has to occur because it's in their nature.
	Fundamentally, we're dealing, as intellectual as you are, James, and as intellectual as you are, Jim, We're fundamentally dealing with a biological problem.
	That's in my opinion.
	And we have to approach it in that manner.
	Oh, much appreciated.
	James' concept of his approach, which is educational, as I see it, and instructive and trying to raise the consciousness of the public about that.
	Deeper aspects of the health issues, the problems we confront, especially with big pharma.
	James, do I have it right?
	I think so, but I'm not sure what Paul means by a biological problem.
	Racial?
	Racial, yeah.
	racial problem.
	In other words, the I've never heard it called a biological problem before.
	Don't like to make generalizations based on race or religion or ethnic whatever.
	There's good people and bad people all around the world.
	I understand, you know, the numbers and I understand what is going on in the world in that regard.
	What I'm getting at is what do we, the people, need to do?
	And I think the starting point always.
	OK, is to identify who you are and what it is you want.
	If you don't know what you want, you're going to be in somebody else's program and you're going to get what they want.
	OK, you know, a lot of people are arguing, oh, they want, you know, they want a good job.
	Oh, great.
	You want to be just over broke and be a slave for somebody else.
	If you go back 150, 200 years.
	There weren't many jobs in America.
	There were a lot of entrepreneurs.
	There were farmers.
	There were craftsmen.
	People worked for themselves.
	They didn't slave for somebody else.
	Right, but 150 to 200 years ago, we didn't have the fiat money system we have today.
	We didn't have the fiat money system we have today, which has put in place a lot of bankers.
	By the Jews, not the bankers, by Jews.
	Just so you know.
	Paul, Paul, Paul, don't interrupt.
	I know, I know, but I just want to be clear It's not opinion.
	Oh, Paul, come on.
	Well, we know who they are, Jim.
	Oh, I'm talking about letting James speak.
	The point I'm getting at.
	I want James to have the opportunity to speak.
	Thank you, Jim.
	What I'm getting at, Paul, is...
	That's your choice.
	What I'm saying is we all have to look in the mirror and say, what is it that we have failed to do to demand and understand and state very clearly what it is that we want?
	Yes, we want to have a better...
	Paul, that's, again, that's your opinion.
	But unless, I think it was Buckminster Fuller who said, you know, you can try to tear down the things that you don't want, but you have to build the replacements.
	You know, I want a healthy system where people learn and understand that they don't need pharmakia.
	to, you know, poison themselves, to treat their symptoms, to mask the problems that they have.
	Got it.
	But what we need is to not just talk about who's doing what and how.
	The reason we have this pharmakia, the reason we have this system is because of you-know-who.
	I just want to be clear.
	You're missing my core point, okay?
	Until we organize and clearly define the replacement, then that which we oppose will continue to gain in strength.
	Because when all you're saying is we don't want that, you're actually empowering that.
	What kind of health system do you want?
	What kind of education system do you want?
	What kind of monetary system do you want?
	What kind of defense policy do you want?
	Okay, when all you say is we don't want that, So my question is, what is it that people can and should do?
	What do you advise people do in a positive way, looking at the future?
	What is it that we want America or the world to be, you know, in the remainder of each of our lives?
	James, if I may.
	Jim, am I not muted now?
	Am I okay?
	Yeah, we can hear you, Paul.
	Okay, so listen, I know why you muted me, but to me, this kind of stuff drives me crazy, as you know, and everybody has their voice and they want to be heard, but this, to me, is far too milquetoast and dancing around the core problem.
	I'm sorry, but I can't take it when people just are too dainty and they don't want to speak the truth.
	The reason we are in the world that we're in and the mess that we're in is it's being imposed upon us by a race of people.
	Okay?
	They're not us.
	They differ from us.
	That's a fundamental thing you must understand.
	Otherwise, all else is nonsense.
	It's like trying to say that blacks and whites are the same.
	No, they're not.
	Or it's just melanin or skin color.
	No, they're not.
	This is well understood anatomically, physiologically, biologically, etc.
	The Jews and the various iterations of the Jewish race are not us.
	They're an alien race.
	They've always been regarded as an alien race.
	And they have imposed upon us their system of rule.
	So you have to understand that as a fundamental basis if you're going to pretend that we have to decide what we want.
	Yes, it's about what we want.
	And sure, we have to decide.
	But we have to identify who is preventing us from having the sort of society that we could have.
	And it's them.
	It's not us.
	What, Jim?
	Go ahead.
	With the following kinds of caveats, Judaism is also a religion.
	I mean, you can treat it as a race.
	But, you know, what is that kind of Victor argument?
	You know, Asian Jews, he went after Brian on his basis.
	It's very easy, Paul, it's very easy to blame other groups.
	And make the statements that you're making.
	It's hard, it's hard work to define the path forward that you want.
	If you had your wish, if I had my wish, okay, just in this regard, if I could wave a magic wand and have everyone learn how to maintain their own health.
	I'd have 20% of the United States population upset with me because they would be out of work because they're in the disease propagation business.
	That's right.
	If we could wave a magic wand and have a monetary system, You'd have the vast majority of all of the bankers up in arms.
	Yeah, but James, we don't care.
	We don't need to wave a magic wand.
	We just need to expel these people and or hang them.
	It's that simple.
	If you simply destroy the systems that you oppose and you leave a void, they will just...
	There's never been a void.
	People have always entered.
	So define the challenge that I'm laying on the table for you is, It's a waste of time.
	Well, that's where we differ.
	That's where we differ.
	I think solutions, you seek to blame people for the problems that you believe they're causing.
	I encourage you to look at all of the things you're saying.
	and say, if you don't like the monetary system, if you don't like the health system, if you don't like the corporate system, whatever, devise and design the alternative and put your effort into that because that's the only way you're going to end up where you want to be.
	If all you're doing is blaming and opposing those who are, you know, quite frankly, successful in what they're doing, if you don't provide the alternative...
	We know your perspective.
	I mean, you've made it abundantly clear.
	No, but it's important.
	He's talking about just opposing this without providing a solution.
	Well, so the solution you're talking about is simple in terms of, you said it earlier in the show, you said, well, doing nothing is much better.
	So, for example, fasting.
	Juice fasting, eating healthily, avoiding the poisonous substances, not smoking, not drinking.
	These are all things that anybody can do or not do.
	That doesn't change the fact that these people will be arrayed against us with their systems.
	That's what they're doing.
	They're going to find a way, just like they always have.
	In other words, when the first failed vaccination, the first failed immunization program didn't deter them, they just upped it, right?
	So not only, Jim, you know what this vaccine schedule is like, and so do you, James, compared to what it used to be.
	Not only should there not be any vaccines, but they continue and continue more and more and more and more.
	That's what they're going to do.
	So even though what you say sounds nice, it's very philosophical, it's very gentle.
	There's no way to win with that philosophy.
	There's no way to win if you don't offer a solution.
	I don't need to offer any solution.
	Well, that's your belief structure.
	We can differ on that.
	I mean, because here's the thing.
	What solution are you talking about?
	The solution is to be rid of that, to be rid of it.
	You need to define that which you desire.
	If all you want is to tear everything down, you leave a void and it's just going to get filled in the same way.
	People take the easy way out.
	Until you define the alternative, you're going to get the same result.
	There are opportunities to address the others that are central to Paul's position, but I'd like you to address the vaccine schedule.
	I mean, what do we have, like 70 different kinds of vaccines you have to have by the time you're five?
	I mean, it's outrageous!
	Stunning!
	I don't know if that's directed at me or Paul, but the real craziness in all of that is when you look at the ailments, you know, They went away before the vaccines even started.
	And what you're dealing with is there are natural treatments for any of the diseases that people are vaccinated against.
	Many of them are not anywhere near as deadly as the vaccines.
	And so there isn't any impetus to say, oh, how many people get diphtheria?
	Well, diphtheria can be treated.
	It's not a deadly disease, as are all of the other things that they vaccinate people for.
	It's the illusion that, oh my God, you know, this disease is going to kill the entire population, so you have to inject a poison to protect you from it.
	There's such a flaw in the core idea behind vaccines in general, and it's based on fear of diseases that can Be dealt with in natural ways.
	And the death rate is practically minuscule.
	We're dying from heart disease and cancer and all these things that are caused by the very solutions that are offered for these things that are not deadly.
	So, you know, if your infant is injected, you know, with the vaccine for hepatitis B, right?
	How insane is all of this?
	That's the answer.
	There's many things that we agree with.
	There's certain things that I push back with what you're saying.
	We're running out of time.
	I know.
	My encouragement is to put as much energy into pushing for the solutions as blaming people for having caused the problem.
	Okay, James, here's a problem that I have with a lot of what you just said.
	The solutions are already in place.
	They already exist.
	The knowledge already exists.
	And also, just to address your comment, a couple of different times you talked about, well, if you just tear down or destroy the one system, there's a void.
	This is just some philosophical talking point that people have said before.
	Oh, there's going to be a void.
	There's a void.
	There aren't going to be no damn void.
	Knowledge already exists.
	Systems already exist.
	People will naturally figure things out.
	It's like talking about, I could go on and on in this vein, but this idea that we don't have to deal with our enemy, that we only have to deal with what we want, it's naive beyond belief, even though I think you're a fantastic guy, super knowledgeable, and I think you've been an amazing guest.
	Thanks, Jim, for letting me go.
	I appreciate it.
	We'll have other opportunities.
	You're more concerned with a broader political context, James, with a more immediate pressing pharmaceutical threat from the disease purveyors.
	James, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show once again.
	It's always good.
	Thank you, Paul, for the interesting conversation.
	Thanks, Jim, for having me.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, I'm looking forward to having you back yet again.
	Where should everyone go?
	What would you recommend as the best resources here on...
	If you find yourself at NotSafeAndNotEffective.com and you look around, you'll find all my work.
	So NotSafeAndNotEffective.com NotSafeAndNotEffective.com James Rogowski, thank you so much for being here.
	Paul, for being an excellent co-host.
	Gentlemen, I thank you all.
	Everyone, spend as much time with your family, your friend, the people you love and care about.
	We do not know how much time we have left.
	Don't waste a moment of it.

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