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May 31, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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Breaking the Spell: Self-Governance and Why We Really Get Sick—Alec Zeck with Luke Storey
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We talked about this a bit on our last episode, but I don't know.
I feel like every podcast in the world needs to just be this every single episode because it's so annoying to me.
And that is another huge part of my awakening was discovering the fallacy of germ theory, as you alluded to before, that if a healthy person walks in a room and there's a sick person, that the healthy person gets sick because of them.
This is just an assumed truth that we just blindly follow our entire life.
And when the pandemic happened, it was about two weeks, I admit, where I was like washing my hands and kind of like, what's going on?
I see these, didn't know then, but like fake videos from China, people just like keeling over on their face in the street and whatnot.
Then pretty quickly, I was like, ah, something's rotten in Denmark here.
Okay, I'm not buying this.
From very early on until this moment now, in my bones, in my intuition, any intellect I can summon tells me there was never anything that they're attributing to COVID-19 as a virus that made people sick.
What I think they did was create a bunch of phony-ass tests, create a bunch of mass hysteria, trauma-based mind control at scale, got people convinced that the cold and the flu that they always experience periodically and seasonally was this other deadly thing,
threw those people in hospitals, killed them with various interventions like remdemosphere and ventilators and whatnot to create this kind of mass hysteria so that Each person could say, oh, someone in my family died of COVID because the hospital killed them, etc.
I think the whole thing was a complete and utter psyop, which is fine because it's behind us.
But what drives me nuts is that this lab leak theory and long COVID, those two things, anytime I see that, I want to pull my fucking hair out and slap someone back and forth across the face like, dude, and God bless them because I've been duped a lot in my life too.
Wake up.
There never was a COVID.
There never will be.
The whole thing was completely fraudulent and manufactured and fake, so you can't have long COVID.
There was no lab.
There was no leak.
You can't make a virus because they've never been proven to actually exist in reality.
That's my stance.
Tell me why that is right or wrong from your perspective.
I don't think I need to say anything else.
That was actually incredible.
That was absolutely correct.
So in order to make a claim about, let's say, let's make it very basic, that X causes Y. That is your claim, right?
I think all of us can agree that you would need to directly observe X causing Y. So if you say that viruses- Yeah.
It's called evidence.
And when we're talking about a scientific claim, we're talking about something that has been demonstrated, a hypothesis that has been demonstrated in accordance with the scientific method.
So X causing Y, in this case, we're talking about a virus existing and causing illness, right?
You need direct evidence of that claim.
And when it comes to virology, there is no direct evidence of that claim.
I'll refer back to the episode that I did with Luke.
Two years ago.
We'll put it in the show notes.
Yeah, we'll link.
I just did a presentation on this recently.
Were you going to dev?
Yeah, going to a two and a half hour presentation on this.
The show notes for this one will be LukeStory.com slash Alec2, A-L-E-C.
I mean, you've done hundreds of hours explaining this.
For some people listening, they're like, but my grandma had COVID.
I'll give some updated perspectives on this.
So just know Alec has like a lot of data behind the perspective that we both share.
This isn't just like my intuition.
I mean, this is like So we'll put all that in the show notes.
Yeah, so I just did a two and a half hour presentation on that, and that's what I'll probably have you guys put in the show notes.
But so the things that sort of lend more credence to that idea, a lady by the name of Christine Massey has submitted over 220 freedom of information requests to various government health institutions across the world, asking them questions.
That's what they claim.
They claim that there's viruses inside the fluids of a sick person that are transmitted via those fluids to another person wherein it causes illness.
That's their claim.
And again, she's not asking McDonald's and KFC and Walmart for this evidence.
She's asking the CDC, the FDA, various health institutions that are the ones making these foundational claims.
Just to be clear, whoever makes the claim has the burden of proof.
Yes.
That's a maxim of law.
That is a maxim of law.
I think people forget that.
Like, I'll talk about the moon landing.
Like, oh, I think the moon landing is fake.
And like, well, you prove it.
I go, no, you have to prove that it happened.
Yeah, exactly.
There's no evidence to support that.
So it's not my responsibility.
Exactly.
Because I'm the one refuting.
You guys said you did it, and I don't believe you did.
So show me you did.
Oh, we can't.
We lost that technology.
Yeah, or we taped over the recordings of that one.
So, yeah, the burden of proof lies on the individual making the positive claim.
That is literally a maxim of law.
So, again, when Christine Massey has submitted Freedom of Information requests to over 220 health institutions across the world, every single one of them has said that they do not have that evidence.
That you're looking for.
The search of our records has found that there is no evidence pertaining to your request.
Wow.
Okay, so that's one thing.
That's a pretty straightforward and specific request.
Yes.
We're not asking for something obtuse here.
That is very detailed.
No.
What she asks for, and I discussed this in my presentation, is essentially all records pertaining to the isolation of a SARS-CoV-2 virus.
And she's done this for other viruses too.
She's done this for a variety of them.
But let's speak specifically to COVID.
All records pertaining to the isolation of SARS-CoV-2 directly from the fluids of a sick patient I'm referring to the evidence that these particles exist inside the fluids of a sick person where they are claimed to exist in every single health institution that she has submitted a Freedom of Information report.
Now, I was previously involved in a project that I'm no longer a part of that is carrying on or expanding upon the work of Dr. Stefan Lanka.
So, to give context on Dr. Stefan Lanka and a little bit of context on how virologists claim to isolate viruses, it takes not from a sick person.
They assume that snot contains viruses.
They add that to viral transport medium.
Viral transport medium contains, at a minimum, amphotericin B and gentamicin, which are nephrotoxic antibiotics and antimicotics.
Nephrotoxic meaning they're toxic to kidneys specifically.
So, again, snot from a sick person assumed to contain virus particles added to viral transport medium.
They then take that combination, add it to typically what are monkey kidney cells inside a dish.
And then they reduce the nutrient serum that they deliver to that cell from 10% to 2% to 1% to 0%.
So fetal bovine serum is a nutrient serum that they give to cells and cell cultures and biology experiments and things like this.
And they're reducing the amount of nutrients that they give to the cells when they introduce the snot from a sick person.
So they're starving the cells, you could say.
They're also adding more amphotericin B. Moragentomycin, which again are nephrotoxic antibiotics, antimicotics that they say are there to keep the environment sterile and free of fungal and bacterial growth, but nonetheless have a nephrotoxic, meaning toxic effect to kidneys, and they're adding these substances to monkey kidney cells or human embryonic kidney cells.
Okay.
After all those substances are added, and again, the snot is assumed to but never verified to contain virus particles, just assumed.
After all those substances are added, The cells, these monkey kidney cells or human embryonic kidney cells, after all those things have been added to them, break down, experiencing what is called a cytopathic effect, which is cell injury or death, and then they then prepare the sample for electron microscopy, point to the resultant particles in these electron micrographs, these black and white images, and say that these particles are viruses.
Okay?
So that's how they isolate viruses.
Now, Stefan Lanka, in 2021-2022, I believe, did the exact same process.
The exact same process that virologists follow.
And by the way, he's a virologist.
That's what he's trained as.
He's a virologist himself.
Did the exact same process, except he did not include any snot from a sick person, meaning no possible source of viruses were present.
The exact same results happened, meaning the results that virologists point to as the foundational evidence for the existence and pathogenicity of viruses.
Stefan Lank had completed without any possible source of a virus present, thus falsifying the idea that cytopathic effect in culture is evidence of viruses.
Now, that's already crazy in and of itself.
He's falsified the foundations of virology.
Another group of people has done the exact same thing 90 times.
And not only that, But it's employed objective verification methods, this thing called Countess Cell Viability Analyzer.
And what that is, is that this machine analyzes the cells in a dish and gives an objective, rather than, you know, with your eye analyzing the image, like, oh, it appears that this number of cells has experienced cell death.
It gives an objective measurement of how many cells have experienced cell injury or death, cytopathic effect, which again, they point to as evidence of viruses.
Did the same exact procedure that virologists follow 90 times without any sample of snot from a sick person, meaning no possible source of a virus was present at all.
In all 90 out of 90 times, they got the exact same result, objectively, with this countess cell viability analyzer, that virologists refer to as evidence of viruses.
Not only that, some of those samples were sent to another lab, blinded, In which those labs were told, we want you to do transmission electron microscopy on these samples and just look for extracellular vesicles, which is another term for some of these particles that you see on these electron micrograph images.
These independent labs did transmission electron microscopy and in the transmission electron micrograph images, particles Particles that were identical to SARS-CoV-2 were found.
Particles that were identical to the quote measles virus were found.
Particles that were identical to the quote HIV virus were found.
But there's a problem because there was no possible source of HIV, of measles, or of SARS-CoV-2 present at all in these samples that were sent because there was no snot from a sick person applied to them at all.
So these particles that were the same size, same shape, same morphological appearance As, quote, SARS-CoV-2, quote, measles, and quote, HIV were found in these electron micrograph images, thus falsifying the idea that these images are evidence of any of these viruses as well.
So again, two foundational pieces of virology have now been thoroughly falsified.
But what's so crazy, dude, going back to the burden of proof.
I mean, that's a case closed.
Case closed.
It's case closed.
We're done.
We're done with this conversation.
We're done.
I mean, not us, but we're almost done because you've got to go see them.
Right.
It's like, what is there to refute at that point?
No.
But what's crazy, though, is the burden of proof isn't even on those of us who are pointing.
The burden of proof was on them to begin with.
Like, they were the ones who were supposed to come up with the foundational evidence, and clearly what they point to, the cell culture, quote, isolation technique, okay, that's already been falsified.
Electron micrograph images, okay, that's already been falsified.
So anything built upon that is fundamentally, foundationally pseudoscientific and unproven because the foundations were falsified.
So they don't have any evidence of their foundational claims.
So this leads me to the next point I think you want to talk about.
Quote, contagion a little bit, right?
Okay.
Yeah.
Dude, it's so funny because I'm dismantling the belief that people get each other sick, and I'm pretty much done with it based on conversations and information like this.
I mean, I think people kind of get each other sick for different reasons, which we'll kind of unpack.
For sure.
Like how women have their menstrual cycles at the same time kind of thing.
Signaling and et cetera, bio-filled signaling.
But still sometimes, Allison will be at home and she'll be like, oh, I think I'm getting a sniffle.
Don't kiss me.
Or I went over here and that person was sick.
And I was like, dude, don't worry about it.
It's not how it works.
But I still catch myself.
It's a tough paradigm to break.
A guy came to fix my door the other day and he was kind of sniffly and sneezy.
And I was like, whoa, keep your distance.
I was like, no, no.
Kiss the guy.
It doesn't matter.
Make out with me, dude.
It's all fake.
Yeah, no.
It's a tough paradigm to break.
And again, I want to emphasize that It's crazy because when I say that there's no evidence of viruses, people will say, are you saying that I didn't get sick?
I'm like, no, I'm not saying that people don't get sick.
Nor am I saying that Johnny, your little son, didn't get sick right after your daughter Sally was sick.
Or that Johnny went to preschool and he was healthy before he started preschool and then he got sick at preschool.
I'm not denying that two or more people get sick in the same space with similar symptoms.
What I am saying is that there's no evidence that it's caused by a virus, nor is there any evidence, bacteria and fungi are real, they're real things, but nor is there any evidence that disease is passed by healthy people coming into contact with sick people or their bodily fluids.
Again, I cannot emphasize enough the importance of people reading the book called Can You Catch a Cold?
That book is so incredible because it analyzes all the studies that have been done throughout history attempting to demonstrate this, and every single one of them has failed.
They failed.
They failed to demonstrate this idea that disease is spread by healthy people coming in contact with sick people or their bodily fluids.
So what we have to do when we have this observed natural phenomenon of two or more people getting sick in the same space is come up with other hypotheses for this phenomenon and test them if we're trying to get to the bottom of it.
But we don't even need to do that in order to point to the lack of evidence for one paradigm.
And a perfect example of that is if you're saying that Johnny killed Bill and you highlight the fact that Johnny or someone that looks like Johnny left Johnny's apartment complex on CCTV footage and then CCTV footage at a gas station, this truck pulls up that looks just like Johnny's truck and this guy gets out that's Johnny's height and shoots Bill and kills him.
But there's a problem with that.
Johnny, on that same date, was in Bali.
He wasn't even in Wisconsin where the murder took place.
He has all the plane receipts.
All of the restaurant receipts.
He even has an Instagram live video that he recorded while he was in Bali on that exact date of the murder, thus falsifying the idea that he was the cause of Bill's murder.
Do you then say, well, shoot, this is the best fit model that we have.
Even though you've thoroughly falsified this, we're just going to stick with you until we can figure out who did cause this.
No, that sounds absolutely absurd.
No one would go with that.
Well, the way we do it now is, is like, because...
That's what I'm saying.
That's exactly what we do.
I can't come up with another way to explain two or more people getting sick in the same space.
I see what you're saying about virology being falsified, but until you can tell me a better reason.
And like it's your responsibility to say why it is happening because you're the one that says we've proven that this is not why it's happening.
Exactly.
It goes back to that like hot potato of the burden of proof thing.
Exactly.
It's like when I interviewed Flat Earth Dave, you know, it's like he had a lot of really compelling ideas that I just could not find a way around.
And I've seen a bunch of other things on that topic.
The big rebuttal to that is like, okay, well, what is it then?
Right?
Like, what is the nature of this realm?
And, you know, Antarctica and whatever.
It's like, I don't know.
It's not my problem.
I'm just saying what we've been told doesn't add up in its entirety.
That doesn't mean that I know what does add up.
I'm just showing you what doesn't.
And that's it, you know?
And we can come up with other possible explanations and spitball.
And that's where I want to be very clear here, and I know Then I'm like, look, dude, I'm okay with saying I don't know for sure.
Like, I don't know for sure.
I have other possible explanations for what might be the cause of this or that.
And in this case, when it comes to so-called infectious diseases or two or more people getting sick in the same space, I have other possible explanations for what might cause that.
You can think of, for example, weather changes.
When we experience drastic weather changes, whether that's through traveling, like you go to an environment that has, you know, via a flight that has no humidity whatsoever and the temperature is extremely low relative to where you just were or back and forth, vice versa.
Or living in Texas when it goes from 80 all the way down to 30 suddenly out of nowhere and then back up to 80 again a few days later.
That causes irritations in our mucosal lining and things inside of our bodies and constrictions of our blood vessels that absolutely can have the effect of initiating a detox or vice versa.
In addition to that, when you talk about seasonal changes, when we're getting less sunlight, we're spending more time indoors.
Even if we live a more holistic lifestyle, we're immersed in overlapping fields of non-native EMFs.
We're getting less sunlight, which is essential for the fourth phase water that our bodies are likely comprised of.
We're not spending as much time outside.
We're not sweating as much.
We know seasonal depression is a thing.
A unique combination of both of those things and then take into account.
When I'm living in community with you and we're talking, there might be environmental things that they're spraying outside in the skies or maybe some farm down the road just started using this experimental pesticide or herbicide as has been showed in various other so-called viral illnesses like with polio, the spraying of DDT, or the water was just poisoned recently near us.
Or you and I are living in the same house or same apartment complex and there's a Or we're with someone who's using toxic cleaning products all the time where we're both exposed to the same physical and metaphysical toxins, right?
In our environment, in a combination of that with seasonal changes or weather changes.
And then you also have the same eating habits, the same emotional trauma that you might be suppressing.
Or if I, as a dad, am in a perpetual state of stress, I see the effects in my kids.
We see it happen, which is an incredible mirror and an incredible reason for it's like, damn, if I'm not doing the inner work to come into emotional regulation myself, it impacts my kids because being in that field of stress perpetually has an impact on people.
So it's a unique combination of all those things.
And then the other thing I like to bring in as context, given that we're water-based beings and given what Veda is indicating with her various experiments that she's done, and given that we likely have A biofield.
I mean, even the National Institute of Health recognized that, not that that means that it's true, but we have what many ancient spiritual traditions would call our aura or the biofield, which is anything that has an electrical current produces a magnetic field.
We have a subtle electrical current growing through our bodies.
We have an electromagnetic field that surrounds our bodies.
And given that we know these devices right here, computers that anyone who's watching this or watching on or your phone, We know that these devices communicate via overlapping fields, frequencies, and signals.
And we know that man is who created these devices in our own image, you could say.
Is it possible that our bodies also have this same technology innate to them in a far more advanced way?
And is it possible that if we're in community with each other and I've reached a certain threshold of toxicity because I'm spending less time outside.
I'm indoors more.
I'm in a perpetual state of stress more.
I'm eating a little bit differently than I have.
And I'm in this shared environment with you.
And our fields are constantly overlapping with each other.
And my body says, you know what?
It's time for me to detox right now.
That it might brilliantly communicate to your body.
And let's say you've been, despite how cold it is, spending a lot more time outside.
And you're like, you know what, dude?
I've been a strong, coherent field.
Your stress has not been bothering me at all despite me being your roommate.
Your body doesn't detox because it doesn't need it.
But our other roommate, Mark or whoever, he's really impacted by my stress.
In fact, he's been stressed out too.
Oh, also, not only has he been stressed out, he hates going outside when it's cold, so he just doesn't go outside.
He just stays inside the whole time.
And he's not really mindful of his light environment.
He's just bombarded with artificial lights.
He's getting shitty sleep.
Okay, my body's detoxing.
Damn, his body's reached a threshold too.
It might be time to detoxify.
So his body does.
I'm not saying that that is for sure what happens, but that's also another possible explanation for this phenomenon.
And so it could be a unique combination of all those things.
And the other thing, like I said with that example from Daniel Reuters' book with Mass Psychogenic Illness and Social Contagion, we know that this phenomenon is well documented.
And also the biology belief, Craig Braden, Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, some of these other people, have clearly demonstrated that one's own belief about something can actually manifest physical symptoms related to that belief.
So you combine all those factors and apply it to one unique individual, and there are countless Other explanations for what causes this phenomenon of two or more people getting sick in the same space.
And there are probably so many other things that I'm not thinking of.
I mean, one last thing that's pretty interesting.
There's this lady named Sabrina Wallace.
I don't know if you've looked into her work.
Oh, yeah, dude.
The Internet of Things?
Yep.
Oh, God.
Dude, that's terrifying.
Like, I'll start to watch her shit and I'm just like, I can't.
If 5% of this is true, like, I'm freaking out.
Yeah, but what's amazing, About Sabrina is that she does share that the more you cultivate heart coherence and the more you step out of here and just be aware that this is what is probably going on.
And for those who are unfamiliar, it's essentially that via smart devices and smart wearable technology and then also just innate to some of our devices that we all carry around, they're interacting with our biofield.
And possibly triggering symptoms and possibly even using our biofield as a device for storage and mining of data, which is wild to think about.
There's a lot more to that and I probably butchered that explanation.
It's basically like how nanotech in our environment is turning us all into like walking Wi-Fi routers.
Yeah, essentially.
And what she says...
That only helps boost our inherent signal.
It's that we, with our own biofield as it is, are already enough for us to interact with these various devices.
But again, developing heart coherence, recognizing that largely the...
But the point is, that's another element too.
And there are so many other explanations for this phenomenon of two or more people getting sick in the same space.
and it doesn't have to be this particle that is causing it.
And ultimately, if you look at it like, You look back at Veda Austin's work with the eggs.
She's demonstrated this.
She's also done another experiment where she takes spring water, sets it next to tap water, and then freezes the tap water, and typically the tap water has no coherence in the structure.
when it's just in proximity to the spring water, it has now become more coherent.
So the more that we focus...
Yeah, like, dude, I love the analemma wand.
Yeah.
Big fan.
Shit is wild.
It's wild.
I know you got to go because you're a dad.
One thing on this to wrap this up that has occurred to me, like I mentioned, women cycles getting synced up, right?
And if you think about us living in smaller tribes and traveling together, it would make sense that women in a tribal scenario According to moon cycles, etc.
The other one that really trips me out in this regard is yawning.
Like, if I yawn, you'll start getting tired.
And I've not really looked into it, but it makes sense to me just at face value that, again, going back, you know, hunter-gatherer days, anthropologically speaking, we're in a group of 50, 60 people, and we got the fire lit at night, you know, we've eaten our food.
And it's kind of time for everyone to go to bed.
Because nature says, wow, you need rest, right?
And so one person yawns, the other person next thing, everyone's going to bed.
Right.
It's like that unified field kind of thing of one, energetically one living organism that just appears to be many, but they're all constituents of a whole, kind of like the cells in our body.
They make up the body, but each one in and of itself is not the body, but coming together.
So they all work in synergy and harmony or in discord.
And I think to all the things that you mentioned, those are all things that bring us out of coherence into discord.
And so we see that as getting sick from each other, but it's just like we're yawning, saying it's time to detox.
Or like, wow, my body's feeling a threat from all these toxins from the outside, and you might not know that you are, but...
We got to shut everything down, start sweating, go into a fever, yada yada, symptom, symptom, symptom.
When the underlying cause is really probably will remain unknown.
But the signaling makes sense if you think about just how closely we're wired.
I think the underlying cause overwhelmingly is modernity.
Even when I did my 15-day water fast, spending more time in nature, I was in Colorado for the overwhelming majority of it, putting my bare feet on the earth, sitting outside every day, immersed in a naturescape that is just mountains that are all around me, not many people, no non-native EMFs.
being out there also made it much easier to process a lot of emotions that were coming up too.
So I think they work synchronistically when you're spending more time amongst God's fingerprints, if you want to call it that, that creates harmonious fields that detox
So I think that modernity itself, in a variety of ways, is putting us in a state of discord.
And we can mitigate the effects of that by returning to nature more and more.
100%.
I think every physical disease, Human's experience could be just called, under one umbrella disease, indoorism.
Indoorism.
Period.
Dude, it is.
That's it.
Almost everything could be solved by just getting out in the sun, getting hot, getting cold, touching the earth.
The pheromones, terpenes, smelling the things in nature, seeing animals, hearing bird calls.
Microbial diversity.
Hearing the brooks, eating some food that has some microbes on it because you picked it off a tree or the ground.
We're so divorced from the ecosystem.
I really think everything is down to that.
Yeah, totally agree.
Ultimately.
And still, I spend way too much time inside.
We spend a bunch of time.
At least with our lights now, thanks to Matt again.
Shout out to Matt of SoundShed.
We can tune our lights to a warmer color, which is nice.
He put the new lights in.
And I turned them super warm.
And then I realized all my videos, I look as orange as this jacket.
So I had to, you know.
I do like the feng shui in here too, though, dude.
It's a good vibe.
Well, thanks again for joining me today.
I know you've got to get to your kids, so we'll wrap it up.
But what a beautiful day.
It's been so expansive and healing on so many levels for me.
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