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Vaccines and Autism / Dr. Paul Thomas on The Highwire, April 24, 2025
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This conversation, the most complicated, controversial conversation.
A lot of people said I was crazy when I left CBS to make the documentary Vax, investigating vaccines and the dangers with children, especially around this idea of autism.
Well, once I saw the evidence, once I did that work, I realized that this was my life mission.
I am telling you this right now.
It is my life mission to bring the truth about vaccines, the lack of studies, what's going on.
But I can't do it alone.
I need doctors.
I need help.
I need science.
Because we're up against idiots on the news all day, 24 hours a day, saying this.
When it comes to vaccines, RFK Jr. is completely off the reservation.
He again shows this consistent lack of intellectual curiosity.
By voting to confirm Mr. Kennedy, that alone could get people killed.
RFK Jr. has disparaged vaccines and he's even tied the rise of chronic diseases in the United States to the vaccine schedule.
We will convene representatives of all viewpoints.
To study the causes for the drastic rise in chronic disease.
A childhood vaccine schedule.
Nothing is going to be off limits.
Kennedy is deepening concerns about vaccine hesitancy taking the wheel and driving us back to when we had to be concerned about diseases like the measles, diphtheria and polio.
It's a terrifying reality.
He says the measles vaccine is a leaky vaccine.
I'm not even sure I know what that means.
Kennedy is throwing distrust not just in vaccines.
But in the entire system of scientists, physicians, and researchers that make up the very department he now runs.
Kennedy is somewhat famous for suggesting that autism is caused in part by the use of vaccines.
Decades of data reviewed by dozens of organizations and hundreds of studies show there's no link between vaccines and autism.
Vaccines do not cause autism.
There is no link.
It's been debunked.
There's no link.
Widely debunked by decades of research.
So decades of research.
He is of the belief that once you're born, that there are environmental toxins that are somehow affecting that, for which he has no evidence.
He's just making it up.
This idea that Robert Kennedy Jr. is just making it up that an environmental toxin could in any way be causing the issue of autism.
Now, of course, this is all on the back of the announcement last week when Robert Kennedy Jr. claimed that autism is an epidemic.
It's now 1 in 31, 1 in 20 boys, a shocking number, 1 in 12.5 boys in California right now.
Just absolutely horrifying.
But, you know, Paul Offit will go down being a shill for pharma because he's made millions.
Billions of dollars off of vaccines, and he doesn't want to have that reputation tarnished.
But what he said, this idea that Bobby Kennedy's just making it up.
Really?
Just making it up?
Let me just read some of the studies that we do know exist that Bobby Kennedy himself didn't actually do the study on.
Here's just a few.
This is Springer Nature Link, autism spectrum disorder initiated by inflammation, facilitated neurotoxin transport.
Science Direct, association of autism with toxic metals, a systematic...
Translation Psychiatry, Environmental Toxicants, and Autism Spectrum Disorders, a systematic review.
Springer Nature link again.
Toxicological status of children with autism versus neurotypical children in the association with autism severity.
Overall, children with autism have higher average levels of several toxic metals, and levels of several toxic metals are strongly associated with variations in the severity of autism for all three of the autism severity scales investigated.
What?
I thought that was just Bobby Kennedy.
In utero exposure to toxic air pollutants and risk of childhood autism, epidemiology, science direct, the association of environmental toxicants and autism spectrum disorders in children.
And Springer Nature Link, investigating the role of food pollutants in autism spectrum disorder, comprehensive analysis of heavy metals, pesticides, and mycotoxins.
And here we go, autism open access, autism chemicals, probable cause and mitigation, a new examination.
These are all present in recent blood analysis of pregnant women and also in the fetal cord with some at-risk level concentrations.
However, the two predominant neurotoxic elements that clearly stand out are aluminum and...
And HG.
I don't know what is HG?
Mercury.
Furthermore, isotypically labeled experiments on animals coupled to fetal autopsies indicate that these are the form of A13, HGCH13, HGC2, H5 +, can penetrate the usually tight blood-brain barrier and enter the brain with the now-known half-lives.
Pull off it.
You're a shill.
You're a liar, and you are deathly damaging to this country, and you should shut up.
Because I just showed the science.
It is not Robert Kennedy Jr.'s imagination.
Environmental toxicants are clearly involved in this issue.
I'm going to settle down now because I want to be joined by a true professional.
Someone that has done the, you know, and attacked and gone after and reviewed the settled science.
Of course, I'm talking about Dr. Paul Thomas.
Thanks, Del.
I'm kind of revved up today.
I'm glad you are.
No, I'm glad you are.
You know, I read some of those studies, and there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these studies.
Yes.
What were the two most damaging, most frequently associated, aluminum and mercury?
Right.
So, where is that coming from?
Exactly.
Yeah.
We can answer that.
Okay.
We can absolutely answer that.
Okay.
So, environmental pollution is bad.
We're talking about autism and actually all chronic health diseases, but if you're going to focus on autism, I know it's important to you, it's important to me.
It's what got me into this whole world of we've got to figure this out.
We get aluminum a little bit from the environment.
Those are these toxicants.
We get a little bit in our food.
The CDC used to always say, oh, there's so much aluminum in formula.
The vaccines are a fraction of that.
Here's the key.
What we ingest, 0.1% is absorbed.
What you inject, 100% is absorbed.
Wow.
Most of the vaccines on the childhood schedule have way, way, way too much aluminum.
More than even when we talked about this before, the hepatitis B vaccine has more aluminum than ever proved to be eaten.
I think it's like...
250 micrograms of aluminum.
The FDA had a document in 2001 not to exceed 5 micrograms per kilogram per day.
How many kilograms is your average baby?
Like 3. 3 kilograms.
So 3 times 5, 15, and you're injecting 250.
Right, 250 is what's being injected.
James Lansweiler and I published a study looking at aluminum content in infants in the various schedules, and what we found was horrifying.
If you look at how much aluminum is in the body for the first seven months of an infant's life, and you've got a toxicity line that's blue for children and a red line for adult toxicity, on vaccine days, whether it's the CDC schedule or the vaccine-friendly plan idea that I had in my book,
we were exceeding safe levels, all schedules.
So let me plug that book just for a second, because this is what first brought you to my attention, the vaccine-friendly plan.
I remember talking to some doctors that were far more, like, extreme, I guess, than you were.
They're like, Paul Thomas is still putting people in harm's way.
He's still saying in this book that, you know, that vaccines, that they're okay if you can spread them out.
But at the heart, just very quickly...
You ultimately do studies, because how many patients did you end up having that helped you study, vax, partially vax, unvax?
How many patients in total did you treat throughout your career?
Throughout my career, I've probably treated 100,000.
But when I started my own practice, at the time that I got my first data set in 2015 that went into the book, The Vaccine Friendly Plan, I had over 15,000 active patients.
And we looked at the...
Rate of autism, just as an example, for the un-vaxxed, I think there were 230-some.
The vaccine-friendly plan vaxxed a little over 1,000, and the CDC vaxxed about 900.
No autism in the un-vaxxed, three cases of autism that resolved in the vaccine-friendly plan, and a rate of 1 in 60 in the CDC, which was the going rate at that time as well.
Wow.
So I really felt like it was making a difference.
Using the vaccine-friendly plan.
Yeah, and it was.
It made a difference.
It still reduced it.
But one of the things that sort of woke me up that it's just not safe enough.
Well, two things.
Oh, lots of things.
I had a patient join my practice who had followed the vaccine-friendly plan, which at that time, well, it still says this, wait until age three to do the MMR.
And this family had done that.
Given the MMR and their kid regressed into severe nonverbal autism.
Right after it?
Right after it.
So they came and told me this story.
They weren't mad at me.
They joined my practice because they were being forced to do more vaccines elsewhere.
Wow.
And so that was like, whoa, this isn't good enough.
And I was starting to observe in my own patients, I don't think it's safe enough.
It's still injecting too much aluminum.
It's still too many vaccines too soon for young infants.
And the real clincher was...
In 2019, the medical board was after me.
They wanted to shut me down ever since I wrote the vaccine-friendly plan.
They asked me to prove if the vaccine-friendly plan was as safe as the CDC schedule, and we published the biggest single data set of vaxxed-unvaxxed.
We had 561 unvaxxed.
We had 2,700 and some vaccinated, variably.
Only born into my practice.
I wanted a really clean data set.
So they all got the same advice from me because they joined my practice as infants.
They were born into my practice.
So you get a lot that come in, they move into town, whatever, they leave their issues.
And I would guess that's part of it, right?
You didn't want to contaminate, like if someone's coming to you, a lot of times if they're coming in midway, it's because their child is already getting sick, they believe, from vaccines, which isn't going to give the vaccine side a good look.
Right.
So you're like, let me start fresh.
Let's get some clean data.
Because even those newborns who are coming in, a lot of them had siblings who had autism who were vaccine injured.
And those families were being kicked out of their practices.
This became an okay thing to do in pediatrics for the last 10 years.
If you're not following the CDC schedule, you're out of here.
Well, where did they go?
They all ended up in my practice.
Del, I was seeing three to four families a week, tears bawling their eyes out, and parents bawling their eyes out, because they watched their child get a set of vaccines, usually included the MMR, but not always, and they lost their kid to severe nonverbal autism,
and the kids there in the room clearly severely harmed, and...
They wish they had known better, but they weren't going to do it to their next kid, so that's why they're in my office.
So we had this clean data set of babies.
Which is also interesting, too, because the next child being born in...
If there are genetic susceptibilities, which we have to assume there are.
We know that not every child under this toxic load is getting autism, so why are some kids more vulnerable?
So you're even looking at patients that have genetic...
Potentially a higher-risk population.
A higher-risk population.
Exactly the term I was searching for there.
And that's what I was worried about.
The data would be...
I'm confused by that fact.
Okay.
So even with a higher risk population, we're only looking at babies that I started with at birth, usually prenatal.
Okay.
And I'm telling them no vaccines during pregnancy, no hep B at birth.
Those ones are easy to...
That just makes common sense.
Yeah, totally.
Babies are not having sex or IV drug use.
They don't need a hepatitis B vaccine when their mom doesn't have hep B. The fact that that's happening in this country to 99% of babies born in American hospitals is a massive tragedy.
Agreed.
Just buy it.
Yep.
So we looked at that data, and Del, I had a sense that was what was going on because I had two waiting rooms in my office, a well and a sick room.
When I started practice in 2008, they were both full.
By the time I retired in December 2022, there was hardly ever anybody in the sick room, and the well side was standing room only.
So I knew something was going on, but the data, when you saw that data, it was published in the International Journal of Public Health.
All right, we're looking at this as sort of, just sort of walk me through.
It's a little bit small from here, but we'll look at all the, see asthma, allergens, you have all sorts of different issues.
So the orange line is the vaccinated group.
Okay.
And the blue line is the unvaccinated.
And along the bottom is 10 years of data.
And as they age and get more vaccines, you see that for all these conditions, If you're vaccinated, and these aren't generally CDC vaccinated, these are generally vaccine friendly.
These are lightly vaccine friendly vaccinated.
Or less.
Or less.
So you see a four to eight times increase or relative.
You know what's shocking looking at right now is that.
There isn't even one arbitrary issue where actually vaccinations did you some good.
No.
There's literally not one place where the blue line overcomes the orange line.
So what are the areas of health that are being affected by these vaccines?
It's neurodevelopmental issues.
Developmental delays, speech delays, language delays, autism, ADD, ADHD.
Yeah.
It's allergies and autoimmunity.
It's asthma, eczema, allergies, allergic rhinitis, and it's infections.
Now, the infections one was the one that was like, wow, we vaccinate so that our kids won't get sick.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Isn't that the whole point?
I thought so.
The vaccinated are getting sick from everything.
More ear infections, more sinus infections, more lung infections, more skin infections, more all infections combined.
And we're talking three to four times more.
So, you know how we're shamed?
It's you un-vaxxed families.
You're putting other kids at risk?
Yeah.
This blows that narrative out of the water.
Yeah.
It's who gets somebody else sick?
Well, a sick person does.
Who's getting sick?
The vaccinated.
A healthy, well, unvaccinated child is no threat to anyone.
In fact, they're providing the shield of protection.
I mean, with this COVID thing, if we had just let the kids go to school, no masking, no social distancing, almost no children would have died.
They would have all developed robust immunity and they would have protected grandma instead of this charade that happened.
I mean, it's just, yeah, it drives me insane.
Absolutely amazing.
So, I turned in my license in December of 2022.
Because you've been under just massive, constant attack.
Massive, constant attack.
I was still suing the...
It must have been hard to get some work done.
It was tough.
Another letter.
It's like, I've got to go do whatever they want me to do, jump in all these hoops.
That was the happiest day.
No, it was the happiest day of my life when I finally made that decision.
I still went after the medical board, and that's another whole story that's actually just wrapped up.
That set me free.
Letting go of my license.
I needed my license for my practice to survive.
I needed my license to survive economically.
Or so I thought.
And it's a scary thing for a doctor to do something that will probably...
Kill their career.
Yeah.
Which I started with the vaccine friendly plan and I finished off with being vocal and then publishing that data.
Yeah.
My license was emergently suspended a few days after I published that data that we looked at.
Yeah.
I was a threat to public health.
Of course you are.
Interesting thing.
They let me get it back with stipulations.
And the stipulations, listen to this.
I couldn't do research on my patients, so I couldn't share any data from my practice.
What were they worried about?
Right.
I couldn't speak about vaccines to anyone, not my patients, not my staff.
And I couldn't do well child care.
And well child care is basically a code for we're going to give vaccines.
So it's okay.
I'm now free and I've written this new book, Vax, Vax.
Amazing.
You know, and I want to get into that.
One of the things that's very troubling right now is we just discovered, I think it was last week, that Aaron Seery pointed out.
I guess he's been interacting with Robert Kennedy Jr.
But before Kennedy took, you know, control over at HHS, it appears they've dismantled the VSD, the very database we've been wanting to do the vax versus unvaccinated study in.
It's not accessible anymore?
They've given it all back to the different HMOs and everything it came from and obliterated it.
Wow.
It's been obliterated.
Wow.
Which shows you exactly what you just said.
They didn't want me to do the study on my own patients, and they clearly don't want the study being done on the major database that would have all of the answers.
What are they afraid of?
Right.
They know.
What are they afraid of?
And by the way, Bobby was promising to make it public, to make sure the VSD could be, so that everyone could see if the studies could be replicated.
They didn't want any of that.
They've dismantled it.
I mean, to me, that's a crime.
We're going to figure out if we can, you know, put people in jail for that.
I mean, it's just, it just doesn't stop.
These people are so twisted and so sick.
Go after guys like you in your career for telling the truth.
But let's get back into, so now you have a new book, Vax Facts.
I love this book.
I love the fact that this one, you know, this was a great start.
Good start.
You get a D minus.
But, you know, because I don't, I've said it before, I don't vaccinate my kids.
Right.
They're very healthy.
I'm not, you know, anything can happen.
I'm not going to tell anyone what they should do with their lives, you know.
Things happen.
We all make our decisions.
But tell me the journey.
What's the difference?
So you went from here.
You've done all that work.
What is it that you really want people to know is in this book now?
Well, first of all, I want people to know that this is the book that will give you informed consent.
If you're seeing a regular pediatrician or a typical doctor, they will give you what they're calling informed consent, which is a one-page glossy, called a VIS, vaccine information sheet.
And they hand that to you, and then they come in to give you your vaccines.
And it's just propaganda.
You're not told the risks.
You're not told the fact that these vaccines were never properly tested for safety.
You're not told the dangers.
You're told, actually, the risk is one in a million.
When the risk is about 1 in 20 for a serious adverse event for most vaccines.
I mean it's like...
Ridiculous.
I mean, like, I just want to point to, do we have a vaccine insert?
If you can find just one of the lists of all the side effects, this may be too quick for the team, but let me just make the point I'm going to make.
Like, when I pull up the MMR, I mean, you've got Guillain-Barre, transverse myelitis.
I mean, this is just in the, like, the potential neurological disorders.
You know, you've got Bell's palsy, all of this.
There's like 20 things there ending with encephalitis, you know, swelling of the brain.
And that's just that part.
There's skin irritation.
I mean, the list just goes, when you look at it, there's a hundred potential side effects.
One of the points I made at a Ron Johnson hearing, Senator Ron Johnson, was they tell you vaccine injury is one in a million.
So what's the one in a million?
Is one in a million going to get the Steven Johnson syndrome where the skin is falling off?
Or is it one in a million gets encephalitis?
And at one point, when you keep saying it's rare, well, if every one of these, every time you get a vaccine, just one of these things is a rare possibility.
What about two of these things?
Or three?
Here we go.
Just look at this, folks.
Look at all the potential.
This is just the MMR.
Cardiovascular, you've got vasculitis, pancreatitis.
I mean, thrombocytopenia, the blood issues, anaphylaxis, and then the nervous system.
Look at how many.
These are known potential side effects written right inside of the vaccine itself.
So my question is this.
If one of those things is rare, but add it to two or times it by three or four or five or 20 or 100 different things that can happen to my child, which you just listed there.
So all 100, is that rare?
Is it rare that all 100 of these things are possible?
And then I'm getting three of these shots or two of these shots or five of these shots or 10 at one time?
So, let's just take that a little further, Del.
We just got the new data for autism.
You just highlighted earlier in the segment, for four-year-old boys in California, one in 12 and a half.
They usually do data for eight-year-olds.
So when those four-year-olds are eight, it's going to be more.
Because they're going to be diagnosed even more.
They keep diagnosing more.
So by the time the usual amount, the actual rate for boys is somewhere less than one in 12 in California.
And that's data that's published from 2022.
But it's on 8-year-olds, so it's data from 2014.
What's happening to kids born today?
Wow.
Especially if they were even getting the COVID jab.
The rates are already headed in extraordinarily dangerous.
So let's just say 1 in 10 or worse have autism.
Already 1 in 6 have ADD, ADHD.
1 in 10 or 12 have asthma.
That's just three conditions, and you saw on my data, it's causing all sorts of things.
That are far from 1 in a million.
They're literally in...
Basically, everyone who's getting a vaccine is affecting their child's health negatively.
I think we can move from rare to likely.
Highly likely.
Highly likely.
Vaccine injury is highly likely.
Right.
Severe vaccine injury is likely.
Okay, wow.
That's the scary part.
Here's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about.
We don't know what causes autism.
Baloney.
It's crystal clear.
A lot of doctors have a problem with causation.
Association and causation, right?
Correlation, causation, association, right.
So what takes you from a correlation or an association to a causation?
You need to have a couple things.
You need to have multiple studies showing the same thing.
You showed hundreds of how toxins can do it.
We have many now.
I've listed many of them in my book, Vaxxed on Vaxxed.
To do a proper study...
To get to that point, you've got to compare vaccinated to unvaccinated.
It's just, you've got to do it.
And there are data sets out there that can be run, and it's there.
Yeah.
Okay, so you have multiple studies.
We have those.
Then you have to have...
A mechanism.
It has to be a reasonable explanation that, well, it makes sense.
We now understand what's happening.
Aluminum in particular, which was one of the highest toxins we talked about, and mercury, those two.
Aluminum is in most of the vaccines.
Mercury is still in the multi-dose flu shot and in trace amounts in other vaccines.
What these are doing is they're causing immune activation, which causes brain inflammation, causes...
Leaky gut, leaky brain, and now all toxins are magnified.
It's causing direct toxicity.
And there's all sorts of mechanisms with inflammatory markers that we now have proven in studies that are showing we're creating massive brain inflammation.
Brain on fire might look like autism.
Right.
And it's proven that it does.
So we have the mechanisms.
The elephant in the room is right in front of us.
So there's a pretty simple solution.
You figured it out way before I did.
Stop vaccinating and see what happens.
There's this fear.
I know you asked me this many years ago when I was on your show.
What would happen?
Tell the pediatricians if we stop vaccinating today, what would happen?
You know what?
A lot of healthier kids.
You would see these atrocious numbers, not just of autism, but chronic health conditions, drop to almost zero.
Not zero, because our world is so toxic today that even if we got rid of the vaccines, there's going to be a few cases of some of these conditions.
We've got to get rid of the red dyes and all the food dyes.
That's happening.
We've got to get rid of the pesticides, that whole list.
If we get that going...
And then you stop vaccinating and you eat organic and you don't take Tylenol, which magnifies all toxins, acetaminophen.
You could make like three or four little moves for your family and you're going to be almost guaranteed healthy children.
I mean, when Robert Kennedy Jr. ran and got himself into HHS, he's saying, you know, President Trump has given him two years to reverse the trend of the chronic disease epidemic, autism being one of them.
You just mentioned a few, like, what would you think if you want to show, like, an absolute change?
I get asked this by the press.
What are you doing?
How are you actually going to reverse chronic illness?
What should I tell them?
Well, there's only a few things you need to do, honestly.
Stop COVID immediately.
Get it off the childhood schedule, and it should be banned for all people, honestly.
Yep.
And then...
Halt all mandates and stop all vaccines unless people want them.
I mean, I'm not telling people they can't have them if they really want them.
But if you'll stop them completely, and then awareness not to use Tylenol ever, basically acetaminophen, quit using it.
On that front, if someone has to have some form of a painkiller in the house for whatever reason...
Is there a better one to use?
You know, if you're over six months, you can do ibuprofen.
For most situations, that's better than Tylenol.
At least you're not blocking glutathione in your major detox molecule.
But you can use turmeric with honey if you're over a year.
You can use honey.
Wet cloth, and you'll sponge off that heat.
As water evaporates off your body, your fever just goes down.
There are a lot of things one can do.
And fever, first of all, people remember, fever's not your enemy.
If you have an infection, your fever is actually your body's response that will help kill that infection.
But, I mean, right there, and eat organic.
Yeah. Supplement vitamin D, most people are highly deficient.
Vitamin D3 with K2, and get your levels optimal.
And I bet you just those few measures
You have a line that really jumped out at me, I think it's in chapter 14, about the well baby visit.
If we can pull that up, it was dramatic.
I mean, when I was thinking, how far have we come from the vaccine-friendly plan all the way to this?
The six-month well-baby visit is the most dangerous doctor visit babies ever encounter.
I want every parent reading this right now.
They are scheduled to get 10 different vaccines at once.
Hep B, DTaP, of course, that's three, IPV, Hib, pneumococcal, rotavirus, flu, and COVID.
So you believe that a six-month well-baby visit is the most dangerous visit to the doctor you're ever going to have?
I can add to that a little bit, if I may.
Please.
The newborn visit in the hospital where you're getting that Hep B, that Hep B has 250 micrograms of what I think is the absolute worst aluminum, the one that's made by Merck.
Okay.
Proprietary, there's something wrong with that aluminum.
It's just dangerous.
Okay.
Two months and four months are almost as bad as that.
They're just not quite as many because they added the COVID and the flu at six months.
Okay.
But otherwise, they're pretty close to bad.
Okay.
The one year or 15 month is now right up there.
Yeah.
So you've got MMR.
You're a little bit older, though, than six months.
Does that matter?
It matters to some extent.
Your ability to process toxins is a little better.
Your body weight's a little better, so you can handle toxins a little bit.
Your immune system's a little better, so you can probably handle the hit a little bit.
Yeah.
Here's why the one year or 15 months, whenever they're doing it, especially if they do it all at once or they're doing a catch-up, which pediatricians seem to think it's okay to catch up.
In other words, you can give 15, 20 vaccines at once.
It's okay.
But just the standard one year now, you got the measles, mumps, rubella, that's three, and probably the most dangerous vaccine prior to COVID.
Well, the HPV is pretty bad, too.
That was, I would say, the reigning winner of the world's worst vaccine.
Was HPV.
Prior to the COVID.
But MMR and its relationship to autism, which is undeniable, you covered it in your movie, Vaxxed.
I mean, we've known now for a while.
MMR, chicken pox, hep.
Hep B, if you're not completely up to date, Hep A is started then.
You've got your final boosters for Prevnar, Hib, and you might be getting a Tdap.
You're going to get a COVID shot.
You're going to get a flu shot.
You're close to 10 shots right there.
I think it is 10. I just didn't count on my fingers correctly.
That's a scary time because those are four live viruses, measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox.
It's already known, high risk for seizures.
Many of those seizure kids end up permanently with epilepsy, ongoing lifelong seizures.
And then I think here's the problem.
You've loaded these kids up with aluminum.
One of the studies that you listed earlier on in your segment had a study in there that showed that the inorganic aluminum, that's what's in vaccines, that gets to the brain, has a half-life of 20 years.
My prior study was seven years, and I saw that one and said, whoa, that's a lifetime.
Yeah.
That aluminum that's in your brain is there for a lifetime.
And you keep adding to it with more and more vaccines.
We're loading these kids up with aluminum.
We've already created inflammation.
We've already created immune activation, leaky gut, leaky brain.
And then you give three, four really potent live viruses.
Yeah.
And you wonder why their brain is on fire and they regress into autism and neurodevelopmental delays, etc.
Yeah.
The vaccine schedule is an absolute disaster.
It's never been studied as the schedule in its entirety.
None of the individual vaccines have ever been studied with a proper placebo.
They only look for a few days or a few weeks for side effects.
They never look at all health outcomes.
It's a joke.
It's junk science, tobacco science, and we are taking our kids in with that as the rationale for doing it.
Like, you were mad at Paul Offit.
I am too.
He should know better.
I mean, we have to know better.
The parents, we've got to stand and protect our kids.
Read Vax Facts because that will give you the science behind this.
What all is in here?
Like, if you want to just sort of break it down, what are they going to get inside this book?
Because, I mean, look, a lot of people watching this show go, yeah, I kind of get it.
I want to say this right away.
This is the book for that friend that's pregnant right now.
Yeah.
This is like before, go ahead, be bold, get in there.
Do something.
Actually save the child's life.
In fact, I want to lay a little guilt trip on you.
If you have a friend and they're pregnant and you didn't hand this book and they end up having any sort of autoimmune issues or things like that, I want that to live on your conscience.
I don't want you to get away.
I don't want to let yourself off the hook any longer.
We have got a battle now.
Again, we've got to save our species.
We're going under 12.5 in California, folks.
You need to take initiative.
Even if this is your issue, you don't have to be Del Bigtree.
You don't have to be Dr. Paul Thomas.
But you can say, hey, I've got a gift for you.
Here you go.
I really think you ought to read this.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
So, Del, what's in there is a change in my philosophy and why.
Start off with a chapter on informed consent, which is basically anybody that's proposing to do anything to your body should give you the options of the risks, the benefits, but one of the options must be the option to say no.
So mandates are out.
You have the right to say, no, you're not putting that in my body.
I love when, in this book, when you get into where you come from, you cover an issue that really gets, because you come from Africa.
You come from Rhodesia, correct?
You were born there.
So you saw a world without vaccines.
You saw kids dying.
You get into that.
Like, what is a world without vaccines?
You've seen it all.
So you bring such a depth of understanding.
Of all the arguments that are made against this issue.
So, you know, we're going to go back to the Dark Ages, back to where I was in Africa.
There were more infant deaths in Africa, and there's still a lot of parts of the world where there's a lot more infant mortality.
But guess what?
It's not generally from the diseases that we have vaccines for.
It's from dysentery.
It's from diarrhea.
It's from lack of access to IV fluids when you have such a bad diarrheal disease that you can't keep anything down, and you dehydrate and die.
No, we won't go back to the dark ages.
If you have access to health care, you'll be fine.
So this book also then covers, in the second segment, I take, this is for all ages and stages, by the way, there's a chapter for adults, but we go from pregnancy to infancy all the way to teens and adults, and we cover all the vaccines, what's in them, the risks,
the benefits.
I've got to tell you something that came out of doing all of this.
I stumbled on data.
This is hard to believe if you haven't heard this before.
For every single vaccine on the childhood schedule, your risk of death, we're just looking at death, because that's what parents fear the most.
I don't want my child to die of this disease for which we have a vaccine.
How can I live with myself?
Your risk of dying from the vaccine far exceeds your risk of death from the disease.
You can say that unequivocally.
Unequivocally.
for every single disease for which we have a vaccine.
So what are you afraid of?
If you're afraid of your child dying, do not give him a vaccine.
Period. You should be afraid of some of these other things when severe autism is just skyrocketing.
These are kids who need lifelong care.
Yeah. Yeah.
So,
I mean, it's got my data and analyzed in more depth, but it's got all the other studies.
When you see that, because that hasn't been done well in the past, we now have enough data to go, wow, I didn't know that.
If you vaccinate, you're more likely to get ADD, ADHD, learning disabilities.
You're more likely to get...
Autism, you're more likely to get ear infections, other infections, GI problems.
I also want to point out that the study you did, what did you say, was about 500 versus 2,000?
Yeah, 561 unvaxxed.
Yeah.
2,700.
So just people say, well, I mean, that's not a ton.
I want to point out 147 children were in the trial for the hepatitis B vaccine that lasted for five days that decided that every baby in America, you know, should get one on day one of life.
So while we compare how the CDC does it and how Dr. Paul Thomas does it, I want to point out that's a pretty robust study that we're looking at.
It is.
And I want to, for clarity, because it's not...
Really clear unless you read the fine print.
Those graphs that we looked at, the vaccinated orange and the unvaxxed blue, we had five times as many vaccinated.
So to make those graphs be apples to apples, we multiplied the unvaxxed number by five.
Okay.
So it's truly, that's the difference.
Wow.
Wow.
It's quite powerful.
There's a section at the end of each chapter by my partner, D.D. Hoover, who goes by Just a Mom.
It just makes this book readable for people who, like, the science just overwhelms you.
In case he was getting too complicated, let me break this down.
Here we go.
Here's a page just to summarize.
Yeah, that was a lot, but here's the point.
I love that.
Dr. Paul Thomas, you, first of all, I think you're moving in the right direction with the vest there.
It's a good look.
You're my brother from another mother.
I saw you always with a vest.
I'm going to do that next time I'm on his stage.
This is actually my first time publicly being in a vest.
I love it.
It's a good look.
It works.
I also want to say, I know I've been with you.
We've had many conversations over the years as you were grappling with, I'm just tired of fighting.
I'm spending all my time fighting and I'm not really.
I'm not getting the message out to finally make that decision.
Once they've taken it from me, they've got nothing else to attack me with.
I want to tell the truth.
That's what you've done here.
And I have to say you're wearing it well.
The confidence with which you're talking about, the way it flows, it is clear that God has decided that the next step for you is this right here.
I'm so glad that you made a decision and it is clearly working for you.
We're going to do everything that we can to get this out there.
For everybody right now, Now, I just want you to know, you know, people say, Del, thanks for being brave.
You know what brave is?
Brave is walking away from a doctor's salary and career where you're actually taking care of children, deciding to inform you, saying it's more important that I get you the truth.
So can we all do, you know, do Dr. Paul Thomas a favor, and not just for him, but for our children, for your friends, as I've said, pick up a couple of copies of this.
We want everyone in the world holding this, because that's what's going to also expand them.
The Maha Moms movement, beyond it just being about the chemical dyes, which is super important, but how far are they going to get if they're pre-priming their baby with a hepatitis B vaccine on day one?
Making all those other issues what they are, empowering those.
This is where you want to get in.
And if you are having children, thinking of having children, wondering if you should maybe get off the vaccine program, this book meets you wherever you're at.
It's a tour de force.
I've been wanting to write, I swear I've been wanting to write this book for quite some time.
I am proud to say it has finally been done right here.
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