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No Bird Flu - No Virus || Dr. Tom Cowan with Alison Morrow March 21, 2025
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Live with Dr. Tom Cowan, who's going to talk to us about the bird flu situation from the perspective of somebody who does not believe that viruses exist.
And so it's a whole different way of looking at it.
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Okay, I'm going to bring in Dr. Cowan.
Dr. Cowan, thanks for being here.
I really appreciate it.
I'm sure we're going to have a very interesting conversation.
I just want to let people know that right now a couple media outlets are really upset about RFK Jr. telling Fox News Channel that he wants to let bird flu spread through the country, and then essentially when you have the survivor bird,
you're going to have...
Birds that have made it through, and so you just rebuild the flocks based on birds that did not die.
I've had Joel Salatin on the show.
This was an idea that he presented.
I'm kind of wondering if they're talking about this behind the scenes.
But since you give a whole talk every year at Wise Traditions, Weston A. Price Foundation, hey, people go check it out.
It's a great conference.
Every year you learn so much on the new biology is what you call it, where you basically call viruses a complete scam.
Virology is scam.
I don't know if I'm mincing words here.
I'm being too hard on it.
But that's what I get out of your talks.
So when I read an article like this, either the...
Atlantic's point of view or the opposition, you know, or I guess RFK Jr.'s point of view, the opposition, which is the Atlantic, neither one of these really present your point of view, which is that this whole thing is really kind of made up.
So where do you want to start with this?
Yeah, thanks, Allison.
You know, as Noam Chomsky, who gets a lot of things wrong, said years and years ago, the way to run a scam is to have...
Present an argument and have two sides which are actually the same thing and have vigorous debate and neither of them have any relation to the truth.
So that's what's happening here.
I can't see you.
I'm here, yeah.
I just made you big so people could see you in your full glory.
Yeah.
So, Allison, what I think we should do is go through the issues here because...
Technically, the way to say it is not that I say that viruses don't exist.
I say that nobody has ever shown evidence that such a thing as a virus exists, because you can't prove something doesn't exist, like flying unicorns and wombats and stuff.
I see, yeah.
It's the same with flying unicorns.
Nobody has ever demonstrated there is such a thing as a flying unicorn or a virus.
Let's start in a little bit different way, because I really want people to understand how to think about this.
And if I could, I'll use you as a little bit of a foil, which I think will really help people get it.
The first thing I want to say is, when it comes to scientific literacy and thinking, rational, logical thinking, there is a principle which is...
Basically, science is about understanding the claim and then attempting to prove or disprove the claim.
It's not a process of competing theories.
And let me give you an example of that so you and everybody else understand.
You're an 18-year-old guy who looks like Asian, right?
Your parents are Caucasian.
You always wondered about that.
One day you're looking through their closet and you find adoption papers.
They found you from an orphanage in China, right?
And you never saw a picture of your mother pregnant.
You go to your mother and say, is this true?
She says, yes, we didn't want to tell you.
And everything about it is true.
You go to your best friend.
You say, I'm a little shook up.
I just found out I was adopted.
And he says, so who are your real parents?
And you say, I don't know.
I just found out I was adopted.
And he says, until you tell me who your real parents are, I don't believe you were adopted.
That's nonsense, right?
Yes, I see what you're saying.
That is complete nonsense.
So if somebody says, well, there's no evidence that measles or a bird flu is caused by a virus, 99% of the people say, so what causes bird flu?
In other words, who are your real parents?
Okay.
And that has nothing to do with it.
Nothing.
And if you don't understand that, you're not going to understand anything I say.
Because we are going to investigate the claim, is there such a disease called bird flu?
Now, let me start with a little different one, which is also in the news.
Well, can I ask you, Dr. Callan, can I ask you a quick question?
Do you think chickens are dying?
Yes, I think.
I don't know much about it.
Well, let's start with...
One that everybody knows a lot more about, which is called measles, right?
Now, there's a claim that measles is a specific disease that's caused by a specific virus, right?
That's the claim.
Do you agree with that?
Yes.
Can you tell me the symptoms that would tell a doctor that this is a case of measles and not something else?
Oh, God.
I wish I knew more about measles.
I don't know.
Don't you get little red patches on your skin or something like that?
Fever, a snotty nose, and a rash.
A rash.
Okay.
But there are other things that cause rashes.
Like scarlet fever and chicken pox and roseola and all the rest of it.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
And so there is no way that anybody can look at a child who's sick.
Now, I'm not saying the child isn't sick, right?
I'm saying that this is a specific disease called measles.
In fact, there's two interesting things about this.
The CDC has said you cannot tell clinically, in other words, by looking at the symptoms, whether somebody has measles or 10 other diseases.
And they have done tests where they show 10 experienced pediatricians, a whole bunch of children who allegedly have measles.
And they can't tell who has measles and who has scarlet fever and who has chicken pox and roseola and the rest of it.
So that is a fact.
There is no way to look at a child who's sick and say they have measles as opposed to anything else.
Same thing with bird flu.
If I ask you, what are the symptoms of bird flu?
A chicken who's sick and then dies.
So that's the only thing that caused chickens to be sick and die?
No.
Right.
And so everybody agrees that we're now talking about facts.
There is no way to tell by looking at a child or a bird who has bird flu, who has measles, or any other so-called viral syndromes.
Right?
You agree?
Yes.
Now, that means that any information about measles before 1990s Is bogus because they didn't know who had measles and who didn't, according to the CDC.
So if they say there used to be a million cases and now there's three, or there used to be three cases and now there's a hundred, they have no idea because they say you can't tell by looking at it.
And you're saying they didn't have their own tests back then?
They didn't have any other molecular diagnostic tests.
Okay.
So now in the 1990s, they have three different...
Molecular diagnostic tests, PCR, antigen, antibody.
Now, let's talk about tests for a minute because this has to do with bird flu.
Forget about the fact of whether the PCR, which is a segment of the genome allegedly from a measles virus or a bird flu virus, actually came from that virus.
Forget about that for a minute.
Every medical test that's valid...
Has to be compared to what's called a gold standard.
Let me explain what I mean.
If you have a surrogate test, that means it's not a direct test of what you're looking for.
So, for instance, pregnancy.
You do a urine test or a blood test, you say the woman is pregnant.
The way you get to that, and the reason that's a valid test, is you can get 100 women who you know are pregnant.
How do you know?
Because you can do an x-ray, an ultrasound, and see a baby in there.
You can feel the baby, and then the baby comes out.
Right?
You're 100% sure that person is pregnant.
Then you do a blood test, and 99 of them are positive.
And then you can say there's a 1% false negative rate.
Right?
Then you can test 100 men who...
You know, under Trump, they can't get pregnant, but under Biden, they could get pregnant.
But let's just say 100 men who are not pregnant, right?
And you can do the same test, and one of them is positive.
That means you have a 1% false positive rate.
You with me?
Yes.
So that means you can do the test.
So you can test somebody.
Your test is positive.
That means you have a 99% chance that you're actually pregnant.
So if you do a PCR test, you do an antigen test, what is the gold standard you're comparing it to so you know the error rate?
I have no idea.
Neither do they, because they have no way of knowing who has measles and who doesn't.
They have no way of knowing who has bird flu and who doesn't.
So you can't use the test because you have no way of knowing the validity or the accuracy of the test.
That means all information about whether this is measles or bird flu is anti-scientific.
Period.
That's the facts.
Now, let's get into...
If I asked you...
How do you know there's a measles virus?
I don't.
Right.
And I encourage everybody listening to this to go and ask their medical doctor, tell me, doctor, how do you know there's a measles virus or a bird flu virus?
So let me just walk you through, because most people believe it.
Kennedy believes it.
Joel Salatin believes it.
But if you ask him, how do you know there's a virus?
He doesn't know.
Now, that's weird, right?
It's like going to a car mechanic and saying, your car won't stop.
And could you check my brakes?
And he says, well, what is a brake?
Yeah, I'd probably ride my bicycle after that.
Right.
So this is a problem, right?
We have people talking about...
Immunity and viruses and let the virus spread.
But if you ask them, how do you know there's a virus?
They don't know.
So let's go through measles and see how they did it.
Let's go another one with polio, because it's even more dramatic.
And it's the same with all of them.
So they had children who were sick and had weakness and maybe paralysis, right?
So nobody's saying they weren't sick.
They said, well, there's a specific disease called polio, even though they couldn't name or define the disease.
And they took their spine of a child who died, ground it up, mixed it with some chemicals, injected it into the brain of a monkey, and two monkeys, one got paralyzed and the other died,
and they said that proves it's a virus.
What do you think of that?
Well, I'm curious.
I guess I have a question about it.
How did the word virus come to be?
Were people just saying, hey, we noticed that we can spread something?
And how was it differentiated from a bacteria, for instance?
How did we come up with this idea of a virus different from, you know, I have a germ, you know, bacteria on my hand that I put on you and now you have the bacteria.
How did a virus become differentiated from that?
So, for a long time, people said, sick people make well people or sick animals make well animals sick.
Right?
I have a cold and then my wife gets it and my children get it.
Uncle Harry has snot and then Aunt Hilda gets snot.
And this person has a rash and then they're around this person and they get a rash.
Right?
Yeah.
And then they looked for something they couldn't see that was the cause of it.
And they found bacteria.
Because bacteria actually do exist and are found on all living surfaces.
And then they said it's the bacteria that spread from one person to another that makes them sick.
Now, let me ask you another question.
The principle behind that contagion, right, you made somebody sick, is if two or more people or animals...
Have the same symptoms in the same time in the same place.
That means something spread from one to the other.
Is that true?
It doesn't have to be true.
No, it doesn't have to be true.
In which case, going with the thousand swans, if you say all swans are white and then you find a million swans that are white and one that's black, you falsified that claim.
Right.
Right.
So what about if somebody says yes, if same people, a bunch of people, same symptoms, same time, same place, because that's what you're seeing, right?
Well, I suppose...
Isn't that what you're seeing?
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing.
You don't see a bacteria, you don't see a virus, and I'll get to what that means.
But here's the problem with that principle.
If I put 100 rats in the basement and then I put rat poison and they all die of bleeding to death, and the same symptom, same time, same place, does that mean rat poison is a contagion?
No.
No.
So you can't tell by looking whether there's a contagion or not.
So you have to do a study and have the rats in the same place, and the only difference is one have poison and one don't, or one have sick rats and the other don't.
And here's something I'm going to challenge you and all your listeners, because me and maybe 10, 12 other people have looked through the medical literature.
There's not one study that proves that sick people or animals make well people or animals sick.
Not one.
And if you disagree with that, I don't want to hear about birds and Aunt Helen or Uncle Fred.
I want to study where the sick people or the sick animals were the independent variable, and they showed that they made the well animals or birds or people sick.
Because I can tell you it doesn't exist, and I can show you 200 studies saying that's not how it works.
But getting back to your question, so they said that that's how it works.
They then disproved that that was correct.
With study after study, they put people who they said had scarlet fever, people they said had measles, people they said had Spanish flu.
They had them cough in their face.
They had them sleep in the same bed.
None of them got sick.
That's a fact.
If you don't like that fact, fine.
But that's the fact.
So they said, well, anyways, that's a bacteria.
And then sometimes they couldn't find a bacteria.
So without seeing anything, they said it must be smaller than a bacteria.
So we're going to call that a virus.
That's how it came about.
And they didn't think they would ever see it.
And so they could never be able to disprove it.
And they made up the field of virology without ever actually proving that there were unicorns.
They just claimed that's why people got sick, even though they couldn't make the people they were talking about sick.
That's crazy.
Where I start to get kind of confused with...
The conversation is, I'm with you on, you are not predestined to get sick when you are next to a sick person.
But I don't know if I'm at the point where I'm taking the leap that you will not get sick.
Nobody said you will not get sick.
Those rats all got sick.
Right.
The question is why.
The question is, why do they get sick?
And if you say it's just because of the sick person or the sick animal and not because of the rat poison, it's up to you to prove that scientifically.
And I would love to see the study that proves it.
Because you don't have it.
You've never seen it.
Well, I mean, I don't...
I'm just a dumb ex-TV reporter.
Yeah, but we've asked all kind of doctors.
I've asked Kennedy.
I've asked Meryl Nass.
I've asked everybody you can think of.
Show me one study that proves that that's how it works.
And there isn't one.
In your rat situation, the rats are in the same geographical location.
They're in the same place.
And you see the rat poisons, you can say, okay, this is...
This is the source of the problem.
But what happens if a rat who had rat poison walks to the other side to the other barn?
There's no rat poison and another rat ends up getting the same symptoms but never had any access to the rat poison.
It doesn't happen like that.
Show me a study where it happens like that.
You don't know it because it doesn't exist.
Show us a study where that rat made a bunch of rats sick without the rat poison.
It doesn't exist.
In fact, there are probably 50 studies where with bacteria you can isolate the bacteria.
bacteria in a vial and like strap or chlamydia, and you can spray that on people or have them eat it.
And a hundred percent of the time, nothing happens.
That's a fact.
If you don't like the fact, that's fine.
But then you're living in a, a irrational, you know, made up world.
Okay. Yeah.
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All right, Dr. Chip Abrahamson, if there are no viruses, what did my...
This is going back to your...
Your I'm adopted thing.
But anyway, I'm going to ask it anyway.
What did my four-year-old granddaughter give me when she visited from over an hour drive away?
See, this is what I'm bringing up with the rat.
So who are your real parents?
So Dr. Chip doesn't know how to find a virus.
If the claim is that, because I don't know what happened, but if the claim is this is a cause by a virus.
Here's how...
That's why I said...
Maybe not a virus, but she had something that she transmitted to him.
You don't know that she transmitted it.
Say that again?
You don't know that she...
I don't know.
I don't know.
Right.
So you have to do a study.
Right.
We don't know.
Tell Chip to send me a study showing that children with chicken pox or measles or anything else, and then have Chip show me how they prove a virus exists.
So let me walk you through that, just so Chip knows.
With polio, you grind up the spine, you inject it into a monkey's brain.
Now that has many, many things in it besides a virus, right?
It's got proteins and who knows what, because the monkey was paralyzed.
And then the monkey got paralyzed and then died.
And for 50 years, that was called the isolation of the polio virus.
And then in 1953, Somebody had the bright idea to inject the ground-up spine of a healthy person into a monkey's brain, and you know what happened?
What's that?
The monkey got paralyzed and then died, proving that it couldn't have been a virus.
Now, here's how they isolated and proved the measles virus exists, right?
So they took somebody they claimed had measles, which we already know they can't tell.
They took some snot, put it on a culture of growing monkey kidney cells.
Then they added kidney poison antibiotics.
They added fetal bovine serum.
Then they took away the nutrients and the kidney cells died.
And that was the proof that there was a virus.
Now, the same guy who got a Nobel Prize for that bit of nonsense did the whole experiment, except he didn't put anything from anybody with measles.
He just put the kidney poison antibiotics and the fetal bovine serum and the calf serum and the chemicals.
And you know what happened?
The cells died.
And he said, that proves that there was nothing from the person with measles.
That caused the cells to die.
And to this day, 70 years later, that's how they proved there's a bird flu virus.
They take birds, grind them up, or take some mucus, put it on some kidney cells, add kidney poison antibiotics, take away the nutrients, add fetal bovine serum.
The kidney cells die.
They don't do a proper control.
And they say that's the proof there's a virus.
And if you believe that that's logical or scientific, then that is a huge problem.
And by the way, the leaders of the health freedom community either don't know how they did that.
That is the way they prove there's a bird flu virus.
Not one of the ways.
That is the way.
And that is scientific nonsense.
All right.
I guess my...
So Chip, tell me how they isolated the virus and prove that that was only because there was a virus.
Now, interestingly, the next thing they do is they look under the electron microscope of the broken down kidney cells and say, look, we see things that we think are viruses.
Now...
Meanwhile, there's at least 20 papers in the medical literature showing that if you do it without adding anything to the kidney cells, the kidney cells break down and form particles that are indistinguishable from viruses.
And I can prove that to anybody by showing them pictures of SARS-CoV-2, allegedly, and broken down kidney cells.
Any virologist, any electron microscopist, and they can't tell the difference.
And there was a recent paper showing because every one of these cultures where they find the viruses had fetal bovine serum in it.
And just this morning, somebody sent me an article that fetal bovine syrup contains particles that are indistinguishable from viruses.
Therefore, nobody has ever found a bird flu virus or a measles virus or any other kind of virus ever anywhere.
Therefore, they don't know that it has genetic material and you can't do a test against an imaginary unicorn.
Okay, I have probably more questions for you from locals than maybe any other guests I've ever had.
Sure, birds get sick.
And by the way, let me just say one thing and then I'll shut up and listen.
You know, this whole immunity.
First of all, how do you become immune to something that doesn't exist?
And second of all, the immunity is antibodies, right?
You build up antibodies, right?
In other words, you get measles and you get antibodies and you don't get measles.
Then you get the flu and you don't get the flu again, except maybe you get it the next year because you have antibodies.
And then you get HIV.
That's a virus that causes AIDS.
And then you have antibodies.
And Allison, we all know that antibodies mean the virus is going to kill you.
I remember hearing that when I graduated from medical school.
That they proved that there was an HIV because they found antibodies, which means the virus is going to kill you.
And I thought, what the?
They just spent four years telling me that if I have antibodies, I'm immune.
Oh, yeah.
And now the guy is telling me that if I have antibodies, I'm a dead man.
Yeah, that's a good point.
This is nonsense.
This whole idea of getting...
Letting the birds be immune to imaginary unicorns.
And then they say, well, I know that you get it less because I know it's the unicorns that are blowing up my houses because I spread unicorn repellent around my house and not one of my houses has been blown up.
So that's proof that it was the unicorns that were blowing up the houses because every house I've spread unicorn repellent on, They don't blow up.
You know what I'm going to do?
This is crazy!
Since I can't put the whole thing on YouTube, I don't put all of my shows on YouTube anymore, but YouTube's very sensitive about the talk about virus.
I'm just going to clip the part where we're talking about unicorns blowing up stuff and let them figure out...
If that's bird flu or not.
Then they could just think that we had a whole conversation about unicorns blowing things up and maybe that's bird flu.
I don't know.
I'm going to have to pick out what part we're going to put up.
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Allison, let me just...
I thought of one thing that might help your audience.
Because there's a very interesting and instructive story about why things appear to be transmissible.
And it had to do with syphilis.
So they say syphilis is a bacteria, it's a spirochete, and prostitutes would get it, and then you'd have sex with somebody, and they would get it, and they would spread it, etc.
So then they isolated the spirochete and sprayed it on people's genitals, and they never got sick.
But what they then found was if somebody had a lesion on their genital, like a woman, right?
And they would go to the doctors then, the 1800s, and they would treat them with mercury.
And the mercury would concentrate in their vaginal secretions.
And then when the man would have sex with the woman, the mercury in the vagina would cause lesions on the man's penis.
And then they would go and get treated with mercury because they allegedly had syphilis.
And then that would concentrate in their semen.
And then they would transmit that to the next woman.
And the whole thing looked like it's transmissible.
And the interesting thing about that story is they would then treat them chronically with mercury.
And we all, all doctors learn the three stages of chronic syphilis happen to be exactly the stages of chronic mercury poisoning.
So it's again, unless you do a, if you're going to say a bacteria caused the disease, just like if you want to say a hammer knocks in the nail, You can't hit the nail with a toolbox.
You got to take the hammer out and hit the nail only with the hammer.
If you say a bacteria causes disease, you isolate the bacteria and show it does.
And I want to see that study because it doesn't exist.
If you were in charge of what's happening right now, bird flu, whatever it is, where do you start?
I start by telling people the truth.
There is no evidence of a virus, and I would challenge every virologist and every so-called scientist to give me the proof that there's a virus or that illness is contagious.
Or, you know, I mean, in a way, the biggest misconception or SIOP of all is that these illnesses are specific entities.
They're not.
Measles is not a specific entity.
It's a way of the body cleansing itself.
You see, we have the whole conception of illness wrong.
And it's easy to demonstrate, because all I would have to do is ask you, if you get a splinter in your finger and you don't take it out, what happens next?
It'll get...
Well, you know what?
My body might push it out on its own.
Your body makes pasta and pushes it out.
Yeah.
Is the pus a disease or is it your body's strategy for helping you out?
Yeah, strategy.
Okay, you breathe in debris in your lungs, right?
Particulate matter and chemtrails and all the rest of it.
And then you get a cough and mucus and don't feel good.
And they call it bronchitis.
Is that a strategy or is that a disease?
Yeah, strategy.
Okay, I put crap in your house.
And you put it in a bag and then take it to the garbage.
I put crap in your body.
You put it in a bag that's called a tumor.
And then you sequester it until you can take it out to the curb.
Is that a strategy or is it a disease called cancer?
Yeah.
I see what you're saying.
Strategy.
So that's the problem.
Right.
We have these people who are supposedly like scientists and running the show.
Who don't even understand the very nature of illness.
And that's a huge problem.
Not only that, they can't prove there's contagion, and they can't prove there's a virus, and they use surrogate tests like antigen.
I mean, if you can't isolate a virus, how do you even know it has a genome?
Okay, so then you're in charge.
You tell people the truth about all this.
And then what do you do?
Do you then go to try to figure out what is going on?
Do you just say, hey, let's just all make these chickens as healthy as they possibly can.
Let's look at their diet.
Absolutely.
First of all, the government has no business in this at all, ever.
And second of all, why did birds get sick?
Let me give you some possible reasons.
They stick them in dramatically unhealthy situations.
They give them horrible food.
They never let them touch the earth.
They never let them get in sunlight.
They give them all kind of poison medicines in their food.
They give them electromagnetic fields because they want to stimulate light.
We don't look at any of that stuff, and instead we say it's an imaginary virus.
And that's called science.
That's disgusting.
So, if you want to have a chicken, you've got to ask yourself, how does a chicken get to be the healthiest chicken there is?
By the way, I actually raise chickens and they have their coop and then they go out in the day and they forage for bugs and worms and grass and we feed them some corn and some kitchen scraps.
I mean, that's how chickens need to be raised.
And if you're going to put them in a million cages, you know, and torture them and poison them and starve them.
What do you expect is going to happen?
Okay, so basically, you would have to unravel the entire United States agricultural system.
Which is about time.
I'm not going to unravel anything.
Well, yeah, I know, me neither.
I'm just going to say, forget about, you know, and by the way, this whole bird flu thing, it's a scam.
Besides the science, the birds that they're killing are these big factory farms that are basically unprofitable.
So they say, oh, we got bird flu because of a bogus, unstandardized, unvalidated, completely nonsensical PCR test.
That's what it based on, on a virus that they never isolated, therefore never showed that it has a genome, therefore never showed that this piece came from that virus.
And then they kill all their birds, like millions of them, and then they pay them millions of millions of dollars to compensate them for killing them.
So the big farmers make a killing, and it's a whole big old scam.
And to not call it out, to me, is criminal.
What do you recommend the consumer do, the person who's not a chicken farmer, is watching what you're saying, and maybe they tend to agree or maybe they're still on the fence, I don't know, with what you're saying, but what do you recommend for people who,
should they just tune out of the news about bird flu and just...
Use it as toilet paper.
You still get a newspaper.
Okay.
And then how should you, should you just not care about that conversation anymore?
How should you think about, I mean, I guess, yeah.
I mean, what's your recommendation to the person who's watching?
Like, they're not a chicken farmer.
They're not going to be, you know, they're not, they're not working for the government.
They're not, they don't work at this industrial chicken farm or they don't even have backyard chickens.
They're just, they're just somebody who eats chicken.
You know, what is the person who eats chicken?
What should they take away from your talk?
So this got back to one of the things I found most curious in medicine and medical school is we have this interesting idea that your health, that it's okay to eat sick chickens and that'll make you healthy.
I mean, that is a wacky idea.
So it depends what your goal is.
If your goal is to, you know, improve your health and keep yourself as healthy as possible.
With every food, not just chickens or beef or carrots or goji berries or whatever it is, you ask yourself, what is the best way for a chicken to live or a cow or a goji berry or a carrot?
And then you go find somebody or some group who's growing it like that or raising it like that, and you buy it from them.
It's as simple as that.
And if you don't want to do that, then you might get sick, and that's because you didn't care whether you were sick or not.
All right.
Let's bang through these questions on locals and see if we can get through them all.
Critical thought follows up, okay, with...
Well, first off, unprofitable, Tyson made millions before bird flu, and syphilis still exists, but no one treats with mercury any longer.
But before, I'm giving those two comments because I wanted to get- Show me a study where they isolated the syphilis bacteria, exposed a person to it, and created the symptoms we call syphilis.
See, I'm not interested in people's stories about what they think.
There are situations in life, Like the rats and like contagion, where you can't tell by looking at the situation what's true, right?
You can't tell.
It could be the mercury in the air.
It could be psychosomatic.
You know, Daniel Reuters did a whole book of 200 studies called Can You Catch a Cold?
showing that in 99% of them...
There was no contagion with colds or flus.
So it's interesting.
What were the 1% that did?
Well, one of them was they took snot from people and they injected it into other people's nose, into well people's nose.
And then some of them, they said, this snot came from somebody with the flu and then they got sick.
And then they would say, oh, by the way, the next day we found out it was wrong.
It was from somebody who was normal.
And then they got better again.
And then they would say, this is snot from somebody who was fine and they didn't get sick.
So one transmissible event is psychosomatic.
Another one is sometimes with people with snot, they found very high histamine levels.
And they would expose other people to that, and the histamine would cause a runny nose, like a discharge of mucus, and that was the reason.
So if somebody thinks that syphilis is because of the bacteria and not because of the emotional connection that happens with intercourse, or not because of vaginal secretions, or not because of lubricants that have toxins in them,
or not because of...
IUD, spermicide creams, or a whole lot of other things that are known to cause lesions on people's genitals, right?
So we don't know.
So if you don't know, you have to isolate factors unless you just don't want to actually know anything, which maybe that's what this guy doesn't.
So isolate the spirochete, expose somebody's genitals to it, and show that it causes disease.
I will be waiting for that study, because I happen to know it doesn't exist.
Okay, well, so here's the question.
I will say, Dr. Chip is my dad.
I didn't get my daughter's cough.
Just to throw a wrench into the whole conversation.
I didn't get the cough, but my dad didn't get the cough.
So anyway, that's just another, just to throw another wrench in it.
I tell you, if people want to, you know, people always say, well, what should people do?
What I've noticed in the last five years is people who believe in contagion and germs, they're getting sick all the time.
The people who have realized, I'm going to look at this rationally.
Scientifically and logically, they realize it's a big scam and they stop getting sick.
I know, but in this particular case, I would say my dad is far more aligned with what you say.
And I don't really think about it a whole lot at all, to be honest with you.
This is not part of my daily...
I'm trying to keep up with two young kids and survive motherhood on a farm.
So anyway, but my dad, I would say, he even wrote...
You know, I stayed calm, believing there's no such thing as a virus.
I'm getting sunshine and taking cod liver oil and eating fermented foods.
And whereas I don't really do hardly any...
I mean, you know, I get sunshine, I guess, because I'm outside and I do the cod liver oil, butter oil blend that I just talked about.
But he would...
Intellectually, I would say, intellectually, he would be more aligned with you.
Whereas me, I don't really...
I didn't spend much time thinking about this stuff at all.
So I don't know about the whole mental thing.
I mean, I agree with you.
Look, I just read a whole book on breathing and all the guys, the yogis and Wim Hof and everybody who you can inject with this stuff and they don't get sick and people who can make their temperature on one side of their body switch to the other side of the body.
I totally believe in all of that, like the mind-body connection and everything.
But on the other hand, there are just certain things that seem like you can't really explain.
In your case, what I'm hearing from you, and perhaps I'm wrong, you can correct me, is that you're trying to be more intellectually honest by saying, you know, look, this side has not proven this to be the case, but they act like they have.
I don't necessarily know what happened to you when you got sick, but I'm trying to tell you that no one has proven to you that it was a communicable, contagious virus.
So in other words, you're asking more questions.
That's how you do science.
Say it again.
That's how science is done.
It's not competing theories.
It's somebody makes a claim and you attempt to falsify it.
If the claim can't be falsified, then it's a belief.
I believe in invisible monsters, so nobody can verify that.
And you can believe whatever you want.
But don't call it science.
Don't call it fact.
I am investigating the claim that disease is communicable.
Yeah.
And nobody has shown that.
I'm investigating the claim that they found a virus.
And what I found is the way they found it, with the injecting it into the brain and then the cell culture thing, and then they do the whole thing without a possible virus, which, by the way, I...
Funded a study by a guy named Stefan Lenka who showed that you can break down these cell cultures without adding anything from anybody who's sick, so no virus.
And then you can find the pictures of the electron microscope of the virus when there's no possibility that there's a virus there.
And then you can find the genome of the virus even though there's no possibility the virus was there.
The whole thing has been disproven.
So unless you can prove that that claim is real, you have to move on.
Now, I may, as you said, I may not know why chip or critical thinking got, quote, measles, which we already showed.
Nobody knows what measles is.
And the CDC says we don't know.
And the tests they use are completely bogus because they've never been standardized, obviously, because they don't know who's pregnant and who isn't.
And you can't have a test if you don't have a gold standard to test it so you know what the error rate is.
Okay, so his question here, please could Dr. Cowan explain what measles are and how it's spread so fast during an outbreak in a manner that, Lily, that's my four-year-old, And I can understand.
I mean, I feel like I've been over this maybe already.
Definition of measles.
I don't know.
You don't know.
Neither does critical thought.
Neither does the CDC.
Neither do studies with experienced doctors lined up 100 kids with rashes.
Which ones are the measles?
And they don't agree.
So we've proven this.
There's nothing to go over anymore.
The only way to...
Argue this point is show me a study showing how you know this is measles.
Now, why do children get rashes?
The same reason why, you know, there's all kinds of things that we're exposed to and the bodies being what they are, they try to get rid of them and they do it with fever and rash and snot and all the rest of it.
So I don't know what happened in your situation, but if I investigate it, I could probably figure it out.
But, you know, every situation is individual, and it could be psychosomatic or poisoning or poor nutrition or fear or lots of things.
And I don't have to know that to know, A, there's no measles, there's no bird flu, it's not contagious, there's no virus.
All right, this should be an easier one.
Or shorter one, I guess.
Shorter answer.
DMC.
Dr. Cowan, have you ever talked with Arthur Furstenberg directly?
I don't know who that is.
I do.
He's the guy who wrote...
He actually recently died.
He's about the toxicity of electromagnetic fields and how the Spanish flu, which was proven not to be contagious.
There's a very famous study called the Roseneau study.
They paid...
About 100 or so prisoners.
They got people with the flu and they injected snot up their nose.
They had them cough next to each other.
This was done by the Boston Health Department.
And they say not one got sick.
So we proved that the Spanish flu, the most contagious, quote, viral disease ever, in fact was not contagious.
Now, Arthur has been saying a lot of these are from toxic electromagnetic fields, and when they start with 5G or 4G or radio waves, and there's some interesting things about that way of saying it, but I don't know that it's true.
Again, you don't have to have a competing, a replacement theory to disprove the contagion or the virus.
And in fact, I would recommend highly anybody listening to stick with the science method, which is falsify claims, and just be willing to live in the I don't know what happened.
Because you will start to learn more in that way of being than anything else in your whole life.
Well, I totally agree with you that, I was just saying this to somebody the other day, that just the simple practice of Saying to oneself, how do I know what I think I know?
Like, I mean, how do I know this, for sure, would change so much, just not only in the way people talk to each other on Facebook, which is crazy for the most part.
But, yeah, because most people, I don't think we sit around asking, like, okay, I say I know this, but, like, do I really know this to be true?
How do I know?
I mean, where am I getting my information from?
Have I seen it for myself?
No.
Which is really...
One of the reasons why I find farming so interesting for ourselves, for our family, because I can actually know something for the first time.
I can walk out of the house and know how to feed a chicken.
I can see what makes a chicken sick if I do something that doesn't seem to work well with them.
And then I know something, and on the top of it, I've produced something that's actually usable for our family instead of just wasting time on Twitter.
I think that changes everything once you start thinking that way.
It changes everything.
Yeah.
And then when you realize these people who are telling you about this or that strategy about bird flu or measles, they don't even know how you know whether there's a measles disease or a measles virus.
If there's anything that's scary about, and I'm talking both sides, they don't know.
Yeah, making big decisions with not a whole lot of information to back it up.
If you don't believe me, everybody listening, I have homework assignment.
Go to your doctor tomorrow and say, how do you know there's a measles virus?
And he or she won't know.
And think about that.
Their whole life, if they're a pediatrician, there's giving people shots, which they don't even know what's in the shot, for a virus that they don't even know how anybody knows whether it's real.
Or they'll give you some, well, a PCR test.
A PCR test is a piece of something.
In order for a piece of something to prove that something exists, you have to have the something first and show that the piece came from the something.
And if that doesn't make sense to you...
That would be a really fun video to do, like go to our pediatrician and ask those questions.
They would never...
Agree to be recorded, but anyway.
Okay, there was a follow-up from DMC.
Because you say, you call it the new biology when you teach your class.
You say it's a new biology.
And the question was, did you change it from terrain theory to new biology?
Because everybody, you know, people tend to know terrain theory versus germ theory.
Was there a change specifically for that reason instead of saying, hey, let's talk about terrain theory versus germ theory, why you call it new biology?
So I don't like to use the word terrain theory because then you're getting into competing theories.
I'm not doing competing theories.
I don't have a theory here.
I'm investigating the claim that germs, bacteria, and fungus, and protozoa, and parasites, and so-called viruses cause disease.
The investigation of that says it's been disproven.
Now, obviously, how we live becomes certainly something that one should investigate.
What you eat, what you think, what you feel, how you move or not move, where you sleep, your relationships, what they're spraying in the air, the water you drink, all that becomes the place where you have to start looking to see why People do better or worse.
So obviously, some people call that terrain, but I resist thinking about it as competing theories, because that is a very anti-scientific way of approaching this.
Okay.
Old Navy, grumpy old man.
Assuming that there is such a thing as bird flu.
Hasn't it existed for a long time?
If so, why worry about it now?
Yeah, let's assume there's something called flying unicorns that blow up people's houses in the Ukraine.
So then we should spray unicorn repellent, and that should take care of the problem.
As I think it was Socrates or Aristotle or somebody like that said, if you give me an assumption, I can prove anything.
Or as my grandfather used to say, When you assume you make an ass out of you and me, you've heard that before, right?
Yeah, I've heard that before.
So why would you even go there?
There is no bird flu.
Chicken gets sick if you don't keep them or they're not allowed to be in their proper chicken environment.
That's the end of it.
There's no bird flu because as soon as you admit there's bird flu as a specific disease, Then you've got to come up with a theory about what causes it, and then you're going to go to the virus thing.
And, of course, chickens have gotten sick for a long time because people scare them and starve them and poison them, and they don't get the right environment, of course.
And then you realize what you're dealing with, and you try to, if you have anything to do with chickens, you simply ask the question, What's the best environment for a chicken?
And then you make that come about.
And that is the only question anybody concerned with agriculture should be asking.
Okay.
Period.
What's the best environment for a carrot?
Not soak it in glyphosate.
Right.
This is complicated, folks.
I think this is a joke, but I'll just read it anyway.
Does bird flu come from chemtrails?
Just flocking humor, so no flapping your gums if you don't like it.
A lot of metaphors in that one.
I think we've gotten through them all.
I think we got through them all.
Praise God.
Okay.
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Seeds for the garden.
Just nothing edible like cookies because I will assume you laced it with something that's not contagious but could still kill me.
And I don't want to die.
And the kids also open it, so nothing creepy, please.
And then on top of it, you can also find Dr. Cowan.
If you want to learn more about what he's talking about, you can go to drtomcowan.com and you won't miss the updates.
You put your email on right there.
He's got all kinds of stuff.
And you also...
You have a group of doctors that you oversee that will do telemedicine with people if they have some issues nobody else can figure out and want a second or third or fourth opinion about it all.
Or maybe they just start with you.
Right.
People have to realize that when you go to a conventional or functional or 99% of so-called alternative doctors, you go there.
And they treat you based on theories of disease.
And interestingly, I would actually say disproven theories of disease.
So they say you have a virus or a bacteria or an autoimmune disease, which can't possibly be, or something else.
So we started an online clinic where we don't do that.
Everybody has an individual story.
We hear the story.
We try to find out what could be better in your life and why is your amazing body choosing to do this kind of strategy.
And then we try to work with you to help you not be in that situation and have a better life.
It's called the New Biology Clinic.
And I think it's the only one of its kind because...
Basically, every other medical thing that I know comes from the same point of view, using disproven hypotheses and theories to treat people, and it never works.
Because if you're using disproven ideas as the basis of your treatment, like I'm going to support your immune system or something, you're never going to get anywhere because there is no immune system to support.
Oh, man.
That's a tease for the next show.
There's no immune system.
The immune system is antibodies.
How are you...
Will you make antibodies to viruses?
Yeah.
And if you say, show me an isolated antibody from a person or an animal, it doesn't exist.
Dr. Cowan, is there anything else you would like to say before we go that I did not ask you?
Probably a lot.
Yeah, no, you've been a good sport, Allison, because I harassed you a little bit.
Oh, no, I'm used to it.
I have two kids, four and two, so.
Yeah.
All right, everyone.
I just want to encourage people, you know, you don't have to believe me.
Send me the studies and think for yourself.
And when somebody tells you something that doesn't smell right, go and try to find out whether it's true for yourself.
Yeah.
Well, on that point, I mean, I will tell you a lot of the stuff.
That you talk about sometimes, I don't know if I have attention deficit disorder or something, but my head starts to spin mostly because I, like I said, I, well, first off, I came from the TV news world where I think for over 12 years,
if I couldn't compress something in 90 seconds, we couldn't do it.
And so I think it made my brain shrink or something.
I'm not sure.
But anyway, I'm starting to expand, try to grasp all of the stuff.
But where I, someday when I don't have two young kids that I'm chasing around would like to start is just being able to sit down with the material you've brought up and look at it for myself.
Like really digest it for myself because some of it, even though it probably seems simple to you, some of it does seem a little bit complicated to me still.
But I think I understand the main point, which is just, like you said, they haven't proven.
Science has not proven that there is such a thing as a virus, and they have not proven there is such a thing as contagion.
Or specific diseases.
Okay, for specific diseases.
Or specific diseases.
Okay, so yeah, they haven't proven that you have this.
You have this patterns, for sure.
Okay.
So yeah, and then as far as the idea, I think everybody, what is a positive place?
To begin, like you said, wherever you are on this journey is just whatever it is you're looking at to ask that same question.
Okay, I have this very strong opinion about this particular issue, but how do I know that my opinion is based in facts?
How do I know what I think I know?
I mean, it's such a simple but such a mind-blowing exercise.
And it probably is what ended my career in television news because once I started to realize that I didn't know.
When I asked that question, then the obvious answer, if I was going to be honest with myself, was I don't.
I mean, the reality is I don't know.
I have no clue.
But I was going on TV and telling people that I did know.
And so now I'm a liar.
Before, I was just an idiot.
I wasn't asking these questions.
I didn't know what I was talking about.
And so I was just dumb.
But once I started to wake up and I'm like, okay, well, I'm going on television.
I'm telling people this is what's going on.
How do I know what I'm saying is true?
And I don't know.
I haven't had the time to explore it.
I have no idea.
Well, either I have to change the system in which I'm operating, which is going to allow for me to know what I'm talking about, or I'm going to have to go on the news every time and say, Hi, I'm Allison Morrow.
I don't really know what I'm talking about today, but here's my best effort.
Or I just quit.
And my bosses wouldn't let me go on TV and say I didn't know what I was talking about.
So I had to quit.
And they wouldn't change the system.
I offered what I thought would have been an alternative, which was give me more time, basically.
And that was not an option.
And you talk about chickens being in an environment that...
Allows them to thrive.
I mean, journalists, everybody, we're all the same.
And journalism is just such a mess right now.
If you look at industrial farming, it's very similar to industrial information gathering.
It's the same process.
And it's just bad volume and profit and just, yeah, just maximizing the exports, I guess, and not really caring about what you're putting into it.
And so, yeah, I mean, definitely don't.
Take anything you see in mainstream media seriously, but ask questions of everybody.
And so, yeah, I just think that that's a great place.
I couldn't agree with you more on that, especially just definitely take time to just ask, like, how do I know what I think I know?
And then I think your grandma that you hate so much, maybe you won't hate her so much anymore.
You know, and because I've been doing this so many times and I've had so many of these encounters, I've learned...
So what are people thinking when they hear this?
They're thinking, okay, this guy, he makes sense.
He's telling me that you can't tell that this thing exists because we can't see it and we can't smell it.
And the way they do it seems absolutely crazy, right?
That guy makes sense.
But it cannot be because...
There's all these smart people.
There's trillions of dollars in virologists and medical doctors and infectious disease and Kennedy and everybody who's saying they do exist.
There's got to be something wrong with what that idiot Cowan is saying.
There's got to be.
Fine.
Show me.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know if people are saying that, but they probably just...
Cannot be.
This cannot be.
How would they have pulled this off?
Yeah.
I don't know how they pulled it off, but they did.
And it's huge.
It's the essence of the biosecurity state.
Yeah.
This is where all the action is.
I didn't even get into the whole genetic scam and DNA scam and the whole thing is a scam.
And that is the driver for the society that they're creating.
All right.
Well, thank you, Dr. Cowan.
I do always, I'm going to get there.
I'm going to eventually be able to hang with you in a conversation and not go, all right, I need an Allison Wine promo right now.
Right.
But I need people like you to, when you, next time you interview Meryl Nass and Joel Salatin, to stand up for this.
And say, okay, Meryl, how do you know there's a virus?
Okay, I will.
I'll ask him that next time.
He doesn't know.
I will.
I'll ask him that.
Because they won't talk to me, and they won't talk to anybody, any of our friends.
Would you do, if I could get one of them to come on and talk about it, would you talk to them?
Could we all get together and talk?
As long as we make the parameter, we're going to start with, here's contagion, right?
Here's the claim.
Here's studies that show it doesn't exist.
You show me studies that say it does.
Here's how they isolate a virus.
Give me a definition of isolation.
Show me a study where they isolated the virus.
Or tell me this is not how you need to do it.
Otherwise, it's like they say.
So you got a cold.
How do you explain that?
Tell me who your real parents are.
Yeah.
And that gets nowhere.
It'll last five minutes, and it'll just be useless for everybody.
Well, I mean, I'm assuming that Dr. Chip is my dad.
I mean, at the end of this conversation, I'm not even sure.
Now I feel like I've got to ask my parents.
Yeah, go ask them.
I'm going to go figure it out.
I can't do a DNA test, according to you, right?
DNA is bogus.
I don't know.
I'm going to figure this one out.
All right, everyone.
Thanks for watching.
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