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March 19, 2025 - Jim Fetzer

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Interview with Sasha Latypova on Pandemic Preparedness Plans and Biolabs

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	Greetings and welcome to another Thrill Kill Medical Cult interview by yours truly, Zoe Smith.
	I'm the author of a recently released book titled The COVID Code, My Life and the Thrill Kill Medical Cult.
	I was featured in the movie Vax 3, Authorized to Kill, and I started this interview series as a way to explore some of the topics that I wrote about in The COVID Code.
	But before I was discovered by Children's Health Defense or Alex Jones, I wrote an article summarizing the book, which was published by The Last American Vagabond.
	Sasha Latipola found the article and had the following say about it.
	To share this real quick.
	I'm not too good about transitions.
	And thanks to Sasha's share, it was the first time any of my work went viral.
	So I just wanted to thank you while you're here for your comments.
	I also wanted to clarify that it was not a book endorsement per se.
	It was really just reading the article that I spoke about and I'll link and then making the comments.
	And obviously we both are on the same wavelength on how pandemics worked out.
	And she really needs no introduction.
	But Sasha Lodipova is a former So Sasha, you and I are in agreement that pandemics are not possible,
	yet there's still a great deal of money being poured into biolabs.
	The idea that these biolabs are cooking up deadly viruses that can cause outbreaks like COVID or now bird flu prevail.
	However, my personal and professional experience with COVID and bird flu shows there was no new respiratory disease.
	There was no novel bird flu either.
	If anything, there's evidence of a few isolated cases of symptoms resembling COVID or bird flu.
	So I believe what's going on is that symptoms are being rebranded as a new disease to create the illusion that a contagion exists.
	I have a hypothesis that bio labs do not actually make viruses that can cause pandemics.
	And we're not going to get into the whole virus, no virus thing here.
	We're going to go along with the...
	I like the philosophy from Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics.
	They have a statement that they say at the beginning of every episode.
	And it's basically getting into that as a distraction.
	And we're not going to talk about that here.
	So it's not going to be a trigger word.
	For this conversation, I just have to frame that for this conversation here.
	I kind of have to use the language that they use in order to, so we all know what we're talking about.
	Anyway, moving on.
	Right, so the important distinction here is that people confuse two things, just because, you know, something, because conveniently this area is invisible and not directly observable.
	People confuse two things: man-made objects and real objects.
	So we don't need to have an argument whether real viruses exist in nature when we're discussing synthetic chemicals that are called viruses in the labs.
	And those are two different things.
	Just like humans cannot create de novo a horse.
	You need another horse to make a horse.
	Or a chicken.
	You need an egg to make a chicken.
	Humans are not able to reproduce natural phenomena of any kind.
	And this goes the same with viruses.
	So when we're talking about man-made stuff and natural stuff, those are two different things.
	Yeah, I agree.
	So after five years of research, I don't think that there's actually this thing called a virus that can cause pandemics.
	I don't think pandemics are possible.
	But I do think they could be working on a poison or a toxin, a synthetic, that could cause flu-like symptoms, like the symptoms that they all said cause COVID, which are symptoms of many, many other things.
	And I think that they could do this really...
	By releasing it through air, water, food, or some other means, and it would look like a contagion because everyone would get it at the same time.
	And a weapon like that could be useful to create cases of sick people that could be falsely characterized as a new disease.
	And once they have a few cases of sick people, then they can fan the flames of fear over an impending pandemic.
	And most of the topic of this is about pandemic preparedness.
	So I'm going to share about a three minute clip here.
	This is by a researcher at the DOD and DARPA, James Diorgiano.
	I might not have said his name properly.
	And I think you'll find the viewers will find this interesting.
	Sasha will not be surprised by this one bit.
	Or I could assemble very small quantities of this that would then allow a specific intervention, characteristically in a place that would not allow such an intervention.
	Think of the use of a derivative of Vx.
	In an airport.
	But I could do more than that.
	I could also incur much broader type of ripple effects.
	And one of the ways I could also do that is with what's called high-morbidity neuromicrobiologic agents.
	It's a real fancy way of saying neurobugs.
	But high-morbidity neurobugs.
	I may not want to kill a lot of people.
	In fact, arguably, I may assume what is sometimes referred to as the Sailor Mallon mantra.
	For those of you who may be...
	Fans or students of military history, you may remember that Sailor Mallon, Wing Commander Sailor Mallon, was a South African who flew with the Royal Air Force during the Second World War.
	And he became well-known during the Battle of Britain for shooting up German airplanes but letting them limp home, particularly bomber aircraft.
	And they would ask Sailor Mallon, Wing Commander, why didn't you shoot that plane down?
	And his adage was simple.
	Better to have that plane return home...
	With wounded crew who are spitting up their lungs, one dead crewman that they had to attend to and therefore divert their missional capability while in flight, then shoot them down.
	Because the psychological effect will be rippling and devastating.
	This is sometimes referred to as the Malin effect.
	What can I do?
	I can use a particular bug that I may be able to now modify through the use of gene editing technique that is ubiquitously available and fairly easy to use to take a bug that was previously relatively benign and non-pathogenic and make that bug virulent,
	pathogenic, dangerous.
	And then what could I do?
	I could introduce that bug in key sites: Des Moines, Seattle, Tampa, Newark, Houston.
	I'd get a few people sick.
	I'd do it on an airplane, do it at an airport, do it at a sporting event, do it on Black Friday.
	And then what I would do is I would take credit for that, but I'd want to make sure that at least part of the symptomatic constellation was not only neurological, it was profoundly psychological.
	Agitation, debilitation, sweating, stomach problems, sleeplessness, cardiac problems, things that are what we call top-down neurological in their effect, brain-to-body and body-to-brain, and the bottom-up.
	Cascade.
	Then what I would do is I would get on the internet.
	And I would put out over the internet, I did it.
	Oh yes, I'm that dangerous G group that you should all be afraid of.
	And in fact, this is far more ubiquitous than I let on.
	These are only the first cases.
	I've let these buggies go all over the country.
	And your early warning signs are agitation, anxiety, worry, sleeplessness, stomach problems, heart problems.
	What have I done?
	I've rippled the sheets of the worried well.
	At first blush, I get every hypochondriac running to their physician.
	But at second and third blush, I get those individuals who begin to become worried that they may have been exposed to this, that the children may have been exposed to this, that their loved ones, their kin, their kith may have been exposed to this.
	Of course, the physicians, the CDC, the public health service comes back and says, no, no, that's not what's going on.
	But I get back on the Internet.
	And I say, oh, don't you listen to that.
	That's fake.
	That's false.
	Your government knows what's going on.
	They can't do anything about it, and they can't treat you.
	They're going to end up quarantining you.
	How many people would I need to affect?
	We modeled it.
	somewhere between 12 and 240.
	That's just incredible to me.
	They actually modeled how many people they would have to scare.
	In order to make it look like a pandemic.
	Do you have any further comments on that?
	Yeah, so it's very important to understand.
	So most of the things that he mentioned were like as far as intoxication agents are chemicals.
	So, and he, in other lectures, they also mention types of chemicals that they use.
	So, chemical attacks are more, let's say, more reliable than biologics attacks.
	Real biologic is something naturally derived.
	And all these agents, no matter what you do with them in the labs, they quickly denature outside or even indoors exposed to air and normal circulation and so forth.
	So, they quickly become nothing.
	And therefore, they're not...
	Actually, even used for anything of any scale.
	Now, chemical attacks, you can make larger scale, but again, nothing is global, not even countrywide, not even, you know, all of these things are very localized.
	So they know that they can deploy a variety of chemicals.
	A lot of chemicals, they prefer illegal chemicals, such as they use in agriculture or used in oil and gas production, things like that.
	And then they also depends on what...
	You can formulate the chemical into such as they prefer aerosols, sprayed, deployed in HVACs, deployed on subways or deployed by drones or aircraft.
	But usually it's something, again, you need close proximity.
	So drones are probably more useful today for these things.
	But that only creates some, what they call, he calls them sentinel cases.
	So some cases that they need to create media stories around.
	Most of the time they use fake media stories, but maybe there are some real cases that they need here and there spread around to induce panic.
	These chemical attacks, which are, again, they make them non-lethal.
	They just need the panic and scare and some unusual symptoms in the people.
	What then happens is, They rely on the fact that a large percentage of the population are highly suggestible.
	So this is known from clinical hypnosis practice, which was more popular, let's say 60s, 70s, and now kind of diminished more in the preference to drugs.
	But before, you know, clinical psychiatry was relying on hypnosis practices.
	And it's known that normally...
	Somewhere around 17% of the population are highly suggestible by words alone.
	So you can just tell people things and they will start developing symptoms.
	Well, even not psychologically, but emotionally, just a basic human emotional concept or phenomenon.
	And everyone's experienced this.
	When you're around someone who's really happy, you feel happy too.
	Just being around that person transfers that energy and that mood.
	Fear works the same way.
	Fear works even more.
	So they're relying on this.
	They're relying on population being pre-programmed with all these idiotic sci-fi.
	Virus, contagion, outbreak movies.
	It's pre-programmed into thinking that, first of all, there is such a thing as...
	Oh, I have a coyote.
	So cute.
	Anyway, so there is such a thing as man-made biological viruses.
	That's bullshit.
	But everybody is programmed to believe this through these movies and shows and propaganda.
	Then they come in with these fake news stories.
	Oh, look, patients...
	In Wuhan, or people dying on the streets in Wuhan, look at all these videos.
	Of course, they're all fake.
	But that's a continuation of that sci-fi narrative story.
	And then they announced pandemic, as I've reported.
	So DOD announced pandemic first, announced national security threat first, and then they started deploying these chemicals.
	And now we're watching it happen with bird flu.
	Yeah.
	So they'll deploy some poisoning agent.
	And with the bird flu, it's even easier than that.
	So when they go to these chicken farms, chickens in large concentrations, they will develop some sickness and some of them will die, small percentage, normally.
	It's normal.
	Any chicken farmer accounts for this and they like...
	Yeah, I'm releasing a special on that this Thursday where we talk about that exact thing, is that the commercial farms are set up.
	In a way that will promote them to get disease.
	There's other incentives as well.
	But one of the countermeasures that I found is they're releasing ARV drugs, which is the same category as AZT that Fauci released back in the 80s for the AIDS pandemic.
	So they're running that again.
	And I'm getting trolled online right now saying that the bird flu, it does exist.
	And that it was a lab leak.
	And so that's one of the things I'm trying to dispel here.
	No, it doesn't exist.
	So anyway, so yeah, so they'll take, so they need an increase in respiratory symptoms, which is we have annual in the winter, typically in the northern hemisphere, people naturally lack vitamin D because of lack of sunlight, and they'll start developing respiratory symptoms,
	which is normal.
	And then on the back, so then they need increase.
	To increase the background of this by panic, by fear-mongering.
	So now more people start developing the symptoms.
	Then they come in with PCR, which is a total fake.
	It's a completely manipulatable lab tool.
	It's not a test.
	It's a manipulatable computer model that you can test anything you want and find anything you want by setting the proper controls, adjustments that they have inside that system.
	And so then they come in with this.
	With this fake test and by knowing that they will be able to test a bunch of false positives of this thing that they need to look for.
	And they say, "Oh, well, we have the novel virus."
	And then they start from there.
	They start all this BS about, "Oh, it's a zoonotic bad jump."
	And then, "Oh, no, no, it's Wuhan.
	Fauci gave them money and they made a scary new virus."
	So all of that starts from...
	The population being pre-programmed to believe the bullshit narratives about biologically engineered viruses.
	Then panic distribution of some drugs and some chemicals in some locations to induce these novel cases.
	Then everybody panics, gets tested with PCR, thinks that they have a novel virus, they run to the hospitals, and then hospitals finish them off with murder protocols.
	And that's how all of the COVID deaths...
	In the US, hospital murder protocols and secondary is fraud on death certificates.
	So any deaths for any reason was labeled COVID deaths.
	People were murdered.
	And then morbidity is separate from it.
	So people did have symptoms, did have novel symptoms from, my personal belief, it's largely chemical poisoning.
	I actually believe that too, and I have friends who got sick, and I'm not going to say it was COVID, because I don't think there was a COVID, but it was flu-like symptoms, and it did cause the respiratory failure, and I have friends that would not be alive today.
	A medical group that I volunteered with in Oregon, we knew we had to keep people out of the hospital, and so there was a group of people that were going around, and so it wasn't just my friends, but there was...
	Isolated cases of people.
	And this was in a state that was very blue.
	And so they were fanning the flames of fear.
	And we had Kate Brown as our governor, if that tells you anything.
	And so these people had respiratory failure.
	They had hypoxia.
	They needed oxygen.
	And when we brought them oxygen concentrator machines and brought them medicine, alternative medicine, they got better.
	They didn't need to have a ventilator and they didn't die, but they did have something.
	Yeah, so there was, I think, another theory that I think is correct, but again, it's very, you know, we can't test it or prove it anymore.
	I think that majority of people would have, would say, like, they wouldn't go into respiratory failure.
	So, like, majority of people would have symptoms.
	I had it.
	It definitely was neurotoxin poisoning because of this very market.
	So I didn't even have like respiratory.
	It was more like loss of taste and smell, which was so bizarre.
	Just completely neurological.
	And then other people had like reported to me, my readers reported to me that they were losing, like they lost hair.
	And this is not a respiratory virus that causes loss of hair, right?
	It's definitely a toxin of some sort.
	I've had people reporting weird ear, nose, and throat stuff too, like auditory and visual stuff.
	Well, right, because all of this is probably from errors.
	I think it's depending on how you got exposed to it.
	Actually, I think I had these things twice.
	So once in the first wave of COVID, like late 2020, I believe I got exposed because I was going to Reno.
	to meet with my artist friends and Rina was running clinical trials for vaccines and somehow I got exposed to something because I had a very bizarre skin reaction like the one that people later on were reporting as vaccine side effect so like a bizarre eczema type of a deal and it was pretty severe and lasted for a while and I think I got just exposed by skin to something and
	then You know, and later on I had more of an inhalation type of deal.
	So like your nose and your brain and, you know, nose-mouth smelling and tasting.
	Um, receptors get affected.
	So yeah, so it may have been that multiple types of chemicals were distributed at different times and multiple exposures of different things.
	And some people, yes, so some people had like a severe allergic reaction to the compound that they were being exposed to.
	And those are the ones that I think went, you know, were more severe and more affected and potentially in respiratory failure.
	So that, that's where, you know, some, but treatments.
	Again, help them.
	Meaning that this is some sort of intoxication and they just need to detox quickly.
	That's what's going on.
	While we probably can't do a study now, like you said, if we were to do a study, we might be able to question them and find out places where they might have been in a group.
	Like I know the friends that I'm thinking of, there was an event where they would have been in a large group of people and that would have been the perfect place to put something in the HVAC system.
	And actually, the person I wrote that article you found for The Last American Vagabond, he writes about that as well, that they started doing that in 2020.
	And it was supposedly to fight COVID-19.
	And it was going to be in commercial buildings that were open during lockdowns when everything else wasn't open.
	Just incredible how that works out.
	So in your Ukraine Biolab article, you mentioned that the U.S. managed biolabs are synthesizing and mass producing biochemical molecules of toxic substances.
	You call them biotoxins.
	Can you expand on what these synthetic biotoxins are?
	And then what kinds of health effects would people expect if they were to come into contact with some of these?
	Yeah, well, so I know I haven't done like very in-depth of what they do there.
	And that's obviously like most of it is secret.
	They don't tell you what they do.
	But they like to fear monger about these bio labs all over the world.
	You know, people forget that in the US we have the largest concentration of bio labs in the world in the US.
	There are about 1000 different bio labs in the US.
	Every major academic institution has them.
	There are different levels of security based on what agents that they're allowed to handle.
	And that's not, you know, so the classification is...
	It's confusing because a lot of it is based on naturally occurring toxins.
	And most of them are actually bacterial.
	They're not viruses.
	So bacteria do produce toxins.
	It's their excrements.
	And some can be potentially dangerous versus others.
	But again, we're talking in large concentrations.
	So most of the time...
	We have bacteria living inside our guts, and we actually rely on bacteria a lot.
	We have, by cell count, we have orders of magnitude more bacterial cells inside us than human cells.
	And the bacteria are involved in absolutely every process in the body.
	And they all produce toxins, except because they're balanced in our inside microbiome, nothing bad happens.
	Only bad things happen when there is a dysbiosis.
	And by the way, a lot of bioweapons literature also talks about inducing dysbiosis as a vector of attack, which is much easier to do than, let's say, modify human genome, which is a little sci-fi, but kill some bacteria,
	some species of bacteria, so that others overgrow.
	That produces dysbiosis.
	That can be fairly easily done externally.
	And, you know, and they talk about it a lot.
	So for that reason alone, they're interested in collecting different microbes, collecting different bacteria, mostly species, different types of species, because in different parts of the world, they're all different.
	And that's why they want to have bio labs everywhere in different countries.
	And in these bio labs, most of the time what they're doing is they're trying to get samples of some current.
	So they'll go into a place where people are ill and so they're constantly collecting samples and they're trying to now with more novel techniques such as PCR they're trying to figure out the genetic code.
	Now this exercise is expensive so it takes a lot of money a lot of effort and lab equipment but it's completely futile because Current technical methods cannot actually accurately even sequence everything.
	So PCR is error-prone.
	Even the high computing power PCR is still error-prone.
	I've done a whole series on that with David Rasnick, who worked with Kerry Mullis, who invented it.
	And he corroborates all of that.
	And it's all backed up.
	He's got a whole presentation that's part of this interview series.
	And I believe it does a really good job of debunking.
	It's not even the cycle threshold, like everyone believes.
	And that is a way of dialing it in to get your false positives, for sure.
	But if you set it, it's how the...
	So every lab test, as you probably know, being in your field, and I worked in a lab as well.
	I worked at Oregon Health and Science University for a while.
	That was my experience before I became a medical coder, so I'm very familiar with lab testing.
	And, you know, we did PCR tests.
	Well, we didn't do PCR tests at that location, but I was familiar with them like all the way back in the early 2000s.
	And anyway, so he, the sequence that they set it to, like every lab has a control.
	And there's supposed to be something that they're setting it to, and that's the control.
	And you're supposed to be able to monitor and measure every test with the control to make sure that it's an accurate test.
	Well, with the PCR, I realized that everything was controlled through EUA and the CDC, so there was no way to confidently verify.
	And then I talked to Rasnik, and I find that what they set for the control is a consensus sequence, which is basically they took AI.
	They averaged out a section of the genome that they want as that test.
	And they set it for that.
	So it doesn't even exist in nature anywhere.
	No.
	So again, people need to understand man-made versus natural.
	I'm not talking about natural.
	In nature, almost anything can exist in nature.
	You know, man-made stuff.
	It's like, yeah, it's all average.
	So when they're saying, oh, we have COVID virus, full genome, it's been sequenced, look at all these papers.
	Nobody has the code of the pathogen.
	Actually, Ralph Baric also wrote about it in his work all the time.
	So nobody has the pathogenic sequence.
	The sequence needs to be 100% accurate.
	And even for COVID, which is considered, like, one of the, like, coronavirus is considered one of the more amenable to, like, production viruses because they have only 30,000 base pairs as opposed to, like, herpes virus is supposed to have 150,000
	base pairs.
	So the larger it is, the harder it is to technically synthesize something like this.
	It's too impossible.
	In my opinion.
	And so they were saying, oh, 30,000, it's quite, you know, it's doable.
	Okay.
	And Ralph Baric wrote that paper of how to make it out of five, six different sections of DNA.
	And then, but nobody has the sequence.
	So what they upload to GenBank is, yeah, it's averaged.
	It's averaged.
	And once it's averaged, it's no longer pathogenic anything.
	It's just a model.
	And then for PCR, I mean, obviously, PCR doesn't test full genome.
	They do these, like, snippets.
	And then whatever snippet you want to set it to, you will find it.
	And that's how they find, you know, your positive COVID.
	So all of this is total BS.
	And, yeah, so they can't produce these bugs.
	Now, what the labs do most of the time, especially in different other parts of the world, as I said, they just...
	They're trying to find the sequences and study them, but they can't because anytime they find something, they can't actually sequence it.
	They produce an error-prone code.
	So all they can do is do a bunch of runs and try to average something.
	So it's only an approximation.
	So nothing really bad.
	The biolabs...
	That are collecting naturally occurring samples.
	Again, I'm not saying viruses exist there or don't exist.
	Let's say they're collecting some bacteria, some new strain of anthrax they found in the soil somewhere, or some other toxin from some other bacteria that's unique to a particular geographic area.
	Okay, maybe they'll collect it.
	Maybe they'll figure out some way of culturing it or growing it in the lab.
	Is it dangerous?
	Can it create pandemics?
	Well, obviously no, because look at the Ukraine bio labs.
	By the way, in my article I wrote that Ukrainian bio labs have been under CDC control and ownership since 2005.
	So for 20 years now, CDC has owned those labs.
	So they're not Ukrainian, they're American.
	That's a really important point to make.
	Even the Wuhan lab was funded by...
	So no matter which narrative you want to go with, the money is coming from America.
	That's an important distinction to make.
	It's a very important distinction.
	Those are American biolabs.
	But I mean, as I said, they're not unique.
	We have 1000 in the US alone.
	And by the way, also pathogens leak from there all the time.
	CDC collects reports.
	So we have a dual use research of concern policy, which is self-administered, self-reported kind of a deal amongst universities who do this research.
	They're supposed to report to CDC when they have lab accidents or leaks of some sort.
	Ralph Baric, I also wrote an article about this a while ago.
	Ralph Baric himself reported numerous, about a dozen different reports of his, you know, mice with deadly pathogens of SARS-CoV and blah, blah, blah, escaping from his lab.
	Many, many times.
	He writes these letters to CDC.
	Oh, my mouth ran away.
	Okay.
	And so, and my point is like, where's the pandemic?
	Where's the mouth pandemic?
	We don't have a pandemic every time there's a lab leak.
	That's weird.
	That's weird.
	Like, look at this.
	So why do some lab leaks result in a pandemic and some don't?
	That might be a question.
	And they only result in the pandemic when there is one announced.
	That's very interesting, right?
	So they leak every day, but then only when we announce one, then we have a pandemic.
	Otherwise, we don't.
	And that's, again, that's my point.
	It's also really important because the way that these all start is when they say it went to a person, is they have one person.
	Well, months before, they're saying there's going to be a pandemic, there's going to be a pandemic.
	And then they finally get a person with some sort of symptom and they go, this is the guy!
	And they start testing and they're like, okay, we found a new thing with this person and now anyone who's been around this person, you're all going to die.
	Even David Rasnick asked the question, well...
	In China, they have so many cases of pneumonia per year and they're all different.
	So what made this one guy different?
	Nothing.
	So as I said, they just massaged the PCR data enough to pin it on this guy.
	But the guy just had a pneumonia.
	And again, there are thousands and millions of cases of pneumonia a year.
	They're all different because all humans are different.
	We all have different genetic codes.
	We all process our bacteria differently.
	We all detox differently.
	So yeah, you have an unlimited variety of things to pin.
	This highly manipulatable computer model on and then declare, oh, this person is it.
	Everybody around them is a super spreader, you know, and start panic from there.
	It just reminds me of the game Duck, Duck, Goose when you're a kid.
	It's making me laugh right now.
	Exactly.
	So in your Ukraine Biolab article, you also highlight something, and this is kind of going to get us into the pandemic preparedness plan.
	So you talk about a company called Protein Biosciences, which was a subsidiary of Sanofi, which is a pharma company.
	They were awarded a DOD contract to supply the Wuhan lab with this COVID virus stock, and they were stockpiling it.
	My question is, it didn't result in a pandemic.
	We just very clearly went through that.
	So if they're making these biotoxins and they're stockpiling them and it doesn't result in a pandemic, then what is the point of stockpiling it?
	Is it to scare us?
	Is it money laundering because there's so much money in making them with the grants and stuff that they get?
	Is it just a money laundering racket?
	What is the point of that?
	Yeah, so a bunch of it is, well, obviously they want to make money on all of this.
	And so a bunch of it is to make money.
	A bunch of it is to bring, is to capture.
	So like another example, people can easily understand.
	So this is the way the defense contracting works.
	So for example, I forget the, I think it's F-35 program.
	So the new fighter jet
	It's manufactured in...
	Amazingly, this one product line is manufactured in 47 states.
	Boeing, for example, for commercial airliners, doesn't have manufacturing facilities in 47 states.
	No commercial manufacturer has manufacturing facilities of anything.
	It has facilities in all states because it just makes no sense.
	You want to put your facilities in more concentrated locations to make sure that they're all efficient.
	So it's anti if you want to make a good product versus you want to capture all the territory.
	And so making a good product is separate from objective of just dominance, right?
	For the DOD, the primary objective is to capture every state in the nation, put manufacturing facilities everywhere so that they are then incentivized, so every congressional representative is then incentivized to vote for increases in their budgets.
	That's how the government works, right?
	So now they've captured every state, they have defense contractors in every state, and they have lobby groups in every state to go and government increases.
	It's presence.
	Same thing here.
	They have bio-manufacturing now in every state so that anytime, and I'm familiar with this, we go, we try to put the bills in for, for example, to remove mRNA from food supply, to remove mRNA from children's schedule.
	Every time you go to any state testimony, I've been to several.
	Every time a pharma biolobbyist shows up and says, "Oh, but you're affecting the jobs.
	Our biomanufacturing jobs are going to be under threat."
	I don't care about your damn job.
	I care about our health people.
	Well, yeah, but this is how it is.
	So they come in with a huge financial interest because they already have these bio facilities everywhere.
	And they're all under the same command and control.
	And they just all go in and there's their force on the ground to defend their interests.
	That's why primarily they want to put all these bio labs everywhere.
	One is for the variety, if they are collecting some natural samples, the variety because of geographic variety.
	And then the second, the more important one is we want to control every academic institution, every facility here, every state has to have, you know, this.
	So that's why they're doing it.
	Now, Protein Sciences, yeah, they received the contract for Dietrich in the Pentagon pressers in early March.
	They're discussing this, early March 2020.
	They're discussing this, that they gave the protein...
	Well, actually, they didn't say it at that time, but they said that they're commercially also giving these contracts.
	Ultimately, it was Protein Sciences that received it, and that they were making stocks of...
	Of SARS-CoV-2.
	And again, my question at the time was, we don't have any SARS-CoV-2 in the United States.
	Why are you making orders of magnitude more, which is called biological weapons stockpiling?
	But you were calling it infectious disease research.
	Semantics.
	It doesn't matter.
	Wow.
	So that's what it's for.
	That's incredible.
	I mean, I've heard that exact scheme with the roads, that they'll purposely not fix roads because they have to have, just like the city budget has to, there's a certain way that they do it, and they have to have certain months in advance of projects planned in order to get their thing approved.
	So they purposely let roads deteriorate so they look bad or spend way too long fixing them when they don't need fixed.
	Just to maintain their budget.
	So you're saying that DOD does the exact same thing.
	The other really important thing I think that we should highlight here before we get off the topic of bio labs is, so what we're both talking about is that whatever it is that they're making in the bio labs is not vaccines.
	The vaccines come from the pharma companies, which are partnering with DOD and DARPA, yes.
	They're not coming from the biolabs.
	No.
	That's an important distinction to make.
	I mean, we could call it a bioweapon, and I do, the vaccines themselves, but it's important to note that that's not coming from the biolabs.
	So when you want to call it, when the people out there want to call it a lab leak, just remember, if you're talking about a bioweapon and you're referring to the jab, that's not where they're coming from.
	Yeah, no, the biologists don't typically make vaccines.
	I mean, maybe some, like, again, in academia, maybe they're participating in some studies of vaccines and providing samples for vaccines.
	Or if they have animals in those facilities, they may be using animals for, again, they call it vaccine research, but all of it is just basically making a variety of poisons.
	And I've reviewed several more recent studies of this.
	They call it vaccine research and they call it infectious disease research, but all they're doing is they're trying to produce more novel toxins and now they're trying to mine for more toxic sequences and stuff like that so that they can patent them.
	So that's their primary occupation.
	Yeah.
	Real nefarious stuff.
	So let's discuss the real virus going around.
	I call it the public-private partnership virus.
	More specifically, it's the pandemic preparedness plan or the PPP plan from DARPA.
	I wrote about this in chapter 13. So for people that are following my sub-stacks, it's going to be a while until that one's published.
	But this is regarding that chapter.
	And one of the things that attracted me to your research, Sasha, because you write about it too.
	So one of the things that they developed out of that P3 program, I found, was a company called Absolera was contracted to genetically engineer a countermeasure for COVID-19.
	And it was a recombinant monoclonal antibody.
	And a lot of people have been treated with monoclonal antibodies for COVID-19.
	It was one of the four drugs that was EUA approved, along with remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19.
	A lot of people don't know what it is.
	And when I say it's a recombinant monoclonal antibody, that means it's gene editing technology.
	That's what they call it.
	And it's supposedly going to program your body to make COVID-19 antibodies, is what they say it's supposed to do.
	So can you tell us about...
	This drug, I think it's bamlanivimab is how you say it.
	The safety and toxicology.
	And from your research, have you ever seen anything that programming our DNA to make an antibody like the vaccine works as intended?
	Because I'm having trouble finding research that actually shows that.
	Yeah.
	Monoclonal antibodies, I haven't looked into them in Great detail, but from what I can tell, it's not something I would myself use for anything.
	They've been used for quite some time.
	It's an older technology.
	It's been available.
	That's correct.
	They have had monoclonal antibodies for years before COVID.
	I was interested in this one specifically because it came out of the P3 program for COVID-19.
	And then I noticed it's real interesting because the shot is supposed to make your body make the spike, right?
	And then this drug, which is a biologic, is supposed to make your body make the antibody kind of in the same way.
	But I know peer-reviewed research is controlled, but...
	If there were anything proving that, you would think it would be in peer-reviewed literature.
	And I, other than PCR, I can't find any study that shows that your body is actually making what they say it's making after taking one of these things.
	Yeah, no.
	And I don't believe there are any that they can show that.
	It's the same kind of claims.
	So, you know, I was more familiar with monoclonal antibodies in kind of severe indications.
	So typically they were in cancer.
	And so for that reason, it's a risky drug and I'm like, okay, well, but for cancer, if people are trying and maybe they're having some success with it, that's maybe fine.
	So I never looked at it in more detail.
	Once they start saying, oh, it's for COVID, COVID is a transient kind of a illness, right?
	It's not cancer.
	It's not anything for life chronic, although they're claiming long COVID, but that's another.
	It's a long vaccine injury, right?
	But yeah, so even from that perspective, it's like you're using some really potentially toxic thing.
	And there are some really severe side effects of monoclonal antibodies.
	So there are these reactions where you can have like fulminant cancer from them.
	While it's rare, it's still like you're using something really risky for...
	Something that's treatable with hydroxychloroquine and some antibiotics and IV fluids.
	So that's my point.
	So I would not recommend monoclonal antibodies, although we've heard some positive reports from it.
	And some people, again, I talked to some people who had them in the hospital and said, oh, it helped me clear my infection, whatever.
	I didn't hear as many bad things about them as obviously about vaccines.
	Also, they were used in kind of short duration in the US.
	They were authorized maybe for six months and then authorization was removed.
	So again, very little data, very hard to understand what they did.
	But in general, I would not use them.
	And in general, no, they don't produce in the body what they're saying they're producing in the body.
	Nobody can demonstrate that.
	Biologics are extremely poorly understood, very poorly regulated, almost unregulated.
	And for that reason alone, it's just not worthwhile.
	Yeah, that sounds pretty iffy.
	I've been advising people against it and saying the same thing, that I wouldn't use monoclonals of any kind either.
	And I was familiar that they would do infusions for cancer from monoclonal.
	Now that you say that, I do remember there's actually a different code for if you're using...
	A chemotherapy drug versus a monoclonal.
	It's called immunotherapy instead of chemotherapy.
	There's a slightly different charge for that.
	So that's interesting.
	So I recently looked up the P3 program on DARPA's website and it says it's finished.
	It's done.
	I was going to ask you, what else could you tell us about the P3 program?
	But it's so secretive.
	They just have this one page that says it's all about detecting Preparing for pandemics and detecting it with gene editing technology.
	And what was interesting was they weren't going to be using PCR.
	They were going to switch over to CRISPR, it said.
	But now on the website, it just says, we're done.
	The program's done and it's concluded.
	So I can't figure out what exactly they did during the P3 program.
	I know what their goal was supposed to be.
	Can you send me that page?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes, so the P3, the self-appointed architect of it is Colonel Matt Hepburn, and I wrote about him, and I published him in his TED talk about pandemic preparedness plan from somewhere 2017 or something.
	And yeah, so he is a colonel, was at DARPA, I think he's now at Johns Hopkins, maybe?
	I'm not sure.
	Yes.
	So he's like one of those guys there that go around and propagandize pandemics.
	And so he says, oh, I came up with this brilliant strategy of pandemic preparedness plan where we, yeah, so that was his idea was to like identify viruses.
	So DARPA would be hunting viruses and identifying new evolving emerging viruses of pandemic potential.
	It's unclear how they would determine that.
	And then the pharma companies would be making drugs and vaccines for them within 60 days of military identifying that virus.
	Both of those things are BS.
	You can't identify a pandemic potential virus because very clearly numerous scientific literature, Ralph Baric himself, National Academies of Science in the US published a book about it.
	They all are very clear that today there is no current scientific knowledge that can tell you that a particular sequence will cause a pandemic.
	Even assuming if you have 100% accurate sequence, which I said, you know, we previously discussed, we don't.
	And that's from Ralph Baric.
	That's from Ralph Baric himself.
	Yeah, so we don't have any technology that can 100% accurately sequence any pathogen sample.
	All the models that are produced are averages because they're all error-prone.
	So we don't have the accuracy.
	Even if we had the 100% accuracy, we still don't know whether that sequence is going to cause pandemic or not.
	The features of how virulent or how pathogenic a particular sequence is, those features are not...
	There's nothing that says, like, this particular genetic code will produce this effect.
	They're only, like, kind of tenuous and, you know, they can kind of say, well, maybe this, maybe that, but they still need to observe an actual reality.
	What they're doing is they're finding a sequence.
	Before it happens, to say, we're going to make this the pandemic, and then they make it happen.
	That's what I'm getting out of this.
	So their plan was to fake pandemics.
	I guess, well, not everyone is right on this.
	A lot of participants of this cartel, and it's a huge global cartel of public-private partnerships around this issue.
	Most of the participants in it believe it.
	Most of the participants, both in the commercial and the military and the government, they believe that there are pathogenic viruses.
	They believe that you can make pathogenic viruses.
	That's actually why I call it a cult.
	And that's why it's a cult, yeah.
	Because they are true believers and they will jump off the cliff for that belief and drink the Kool-Aid and inject themselves, as we've seen, right?
	But that doesn't mean...
	And they also have a lot of money and power.
	So they're acting on their...
	On their beliefs, but it still does not make their beliefs real.
	It's just a belief.
	It's just a religion.
	And so anyway, so that's what's going on really with this pandemic preparedness plan.
	And the DoD, so whoever is a mastermind, who is a real mastermind, I don't know if it's Matt Hepburn or not, although he says he is, but the real...
	The conductors of this probably know that they're faking it.
	So they're faking the pandemics with mostly chemical substances, a lot of panic, fear and propaganda.
	And then they are using this structure that they built, global public-private partnerships, to extract to induce the governments and actually Ralph Baric also talked about it.
	I have an article upcoming on Ralph Baric himself.
	So he said that the best use of these things well because we don't have accurate sequences because we can't predict what sequence can do as far as being pathogenic virus so we can't really make a weapon but what we can make so we can't make a weapon but we can fake a weapon He says the best use of this is to induce the governments to act in concert along pre-programmed lines.
	That's why it's the pandemic preparedness plan.
	Preparedness.
	So over decades, they built this pandemic preparedness laws and structures in all the major countries, especially 5I alliances and NATO.
	So they all induced countries to put in their national laws and international laws all these pandemic preparedness measures.
	Then they faked the pandemic.
	Then all the governments act.
	As they were pre-programmed, of course you can make money on this because if you know how the governments are going to respond worldwide, you can make a lot of trades.
	You can invest in preferred companies such as Pfizer and Moderna, create a fake competition.
	Especially if you're Palantir and providing the tech, then you can contract and make out pretty good.
	And make out pretty good.
	And now you know that you've induced a new epidemic of cancer.
	What would you do?
	Oh, of course, you do Stargate Project with Larry Ellison and AI and some other fake blood tests that they're going to diagnose everyone with zero-stage cancer, with asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic cancer.
	And now you can run and get another vaccine.
	Oh, God.
	I know.
	It's the problem-reaction solution all over again.
	Okay, we're going to seed you with the cancer with the vaccine.
	Then we're going to pretend like we have the cure.
	And then you're going to come back to us and get more vaccine.
	They'll get more cancer.
	And we'll just make money the whole way around.
	Diabolical.
	So on that note, on your dossier, you talked about chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons attacks and that there's a public-private...
	Intelligence and military alliances around this.
	So I was interested, what can you tell us about the legal framework around those?
	Because it sounds like what's actually coming out of the bio labs or even the vaccines or the pharma drugs themselves might even be under that category.
	So maybe we need to educate ourselves about what the laws surrounding those kinds of attacks are.
	Right, so the most important structure for this is this PREP Act declarations for emergency and once they're in place then they open the window for all this nonsense, all these products that are not actual products.
	As we've identified in our COVID dossier, this is a military operation, and again, most of it is concentrated around five higher countries, which have all identical laws around this matter, and then coordinated through a NATO alliance.
	Once this law is invoked, National emergency, public health emergency.
	So there are analogous laws in all these countries.
	Once they invoke this public health emergency, national emergency type of a deal, it's as if a war has been declared.
	It, in effect, suspends the Constitution, preempts a lot of state law around this.
	So everything folds into the federal and then federal into these international alliances along the WHO lines.
	The set of laws that are being invoked here are CBRN, like anything that relates to CBRN attack.
	CBRN is chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear attack.
	So our government acted as if we were attacked by a CBRN agent.
	And this was immediately identifiable through looking how they structured themselves.
	So they put National Security Council in charge as opposed to any public health agency.
	So clearly, from the start, they did not treat it as a public health event.
	I know there's a program called HHS Protect, which was...
	It's a HHS program, but it was part of Warp Speed, started as part of Warp Speed, which was a military operation.
	And Warp Speed was directed by DOD and DARPA.
	And the HHS and all the health regulatory agencies, CDC included, were taking orders from the military.
	Well, that never stopped.
	That's actually still going.
	And in their paperwork, it still says DOD and DARPA are directing it at the top.
	That there are some of the agencies in FEMA and these other emergency agencies.
	And it even says in their paperwork that, yes, this was started as a public health emergency, but we don't need there to be a public health emergency to keep doing this.
	Yeah, right.
	Exactly.
	But it didn't actually, in law and what laws were invoked, how it's structures, clear that they did not consider it a public health event, a public health matter.
	So they said it's a national security threat.
	So I identified, I got a whistleblower tape from AstraZeneca meeting, executive meeting, where they were discussing Kind of the history of it at the end of 2020.
	And at some point, they're saying, Mark Esser, VP of monoclonal antibodies at AstraZeneca says, oh, you know, on February 4th, 2020, we received a phone call from DARPA.
	This was by Matt Habern telling us that COVID was declared a national security threat.
	So somehow on February 4th, 2020, when there were no deaths in North America at all, DARPA decides it's a national security threat.
	And DARPA places this phone call to pharma companies telling them to switch to COVID.
	And they're invoking all this CBRN type of laws.
	But that law...
	Today, and I recently published an open letter to RFK Jr., explaining that today this is a misuse and abuse of the federal law, which was designed for very short-term localized attacks, such as seaburn.
	Seaburn attacks are short-term and local.
	Even when nuclear bombs were dropped in Japan at the end of World War II, that did not result in the Japan-wide emergency.
	It was local to Hiroshima and Nagasaki and definitely did not result in a worldwide emergency.
	So the laws around all of this, chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear attacks, are designed for instances of war or terrorism, and those are short-term events and localized events.
	Now, this is obviously since February 4, 2020, the PREP Act emergency declaration has been extended.
	12 times and the most recent extension was in December of last year and now it's supposed to last until December of 2029.
	So how is this possible that we have this chemical radiological biological nuclear attack emergency lasting for 10 years?
	That's a really really good question.
	And I was noticing, I'm doing some research for another article I'm doing on the AI and medical surveillance that I've been writing on.
	And all of this was before Stargate.
	So the pandemic preparedness stuff, it actually comes back to digital ID.
	And it's all about national security.
	So I'm looking into vaccine passports and what happened with them.
	Are they still going?
	Are they still called vaccine passports?
	And what I found is they've merged into calling it digital ID. But when you look at the regulatory agencies that are all behind it, you look at it has geolocation data, like real-time geolocation that that's required.
	These health certificates have that as well.
	And it's all about national security.
	And there, I mean, there is a vaccine aspect to it that you have to prove your vaccine status as a part of it, but they're also tracking all this other information.
	I think it's a trigger word.
	Phrasing out, and they've rebranded it now as digital ID, but it is really important to note that it's still under the direction of these military agencies, and it's under national security measures.
	Right, so they're using, again, they're using this, misusing this federal law.
	That exists for something very defined and short-term and local.
	Now they're claiming that it's a national emergency for a decade and under this national emergency...
	They're distributing all these vaccines, which are EUAs, using PCR, which is all EUA, countermeasure, and drugs that are EUAs and countermeasures.
	And also the way the law is written, now they can also claim that any side effect of the treatment for the injury from countermeasure is also countermeasure.
	So now they can essentially transition vast majority of healthcare, which is occurring now because we have vaccine injured and they're going seeking treatment.
	Well, they can call all of it countermeasure, which means none of it is regulated, actually.
	And nobody has any liability either.
	That's horrifying.
	That's really horrifying.
	Wow.
	So this is in this most recent extension that Javier Becerra published in December.
	This is how they've rewritten their PREP Act extensions over time to say also the derivative effect, like the injury from the injury, is also a countermeasure.
	Because they've got to cover themselves.
	Yep.
	Okay, before we rage out here, we're going to close out on the last question.
	So it appears that the Maha movement kind of redirected efforts from focusing on chemicals in the water and food.
	Well, our efforts for getting mRNA and the COVID vaccine out of circulation all switched to focusing on chemicals in the food and water, which isn't bad.
	I don't want to drink fluoride and I would rather not be eating glyphosate and everything.
	So that would be great.
	But as you are very vocal about saying, there's this, with vaccines, which are still required, which are still moving forward with Operation Stargate, in fact, even more so, they're doubling down.
	They're required for participation in society.
	You're still required to get vaccines to work in healthcare.
	You're required to go to the military.
	You're required to attend school for the most part.
	So all these various ways, vaccination is still...
	Part of society.
	And we're looking at digital IDs going in.
	That's going to be kind of a problem here if people aren't complying with that.
	And we're going to start seeing more and more issues.
	And you've been pointing out that the Maha movement isn't necessarily bad for saying that we want to get chemicals out of stuff, but we really need to focus on this vaccine issue and the mRNA specifically.
	So, do you have health concerns over the increased use of mRNA?
	And are you concerned about it actually, like, altering our own DNA?
	Are you more concerned just about the health effects in general?
	Because we know how bad that's worked out so far, just with the COVID shot alone, let alone any other drug or vaccine they might develop.
	Yeah.
	Well, so, first about Maha movement, I'm...
	Very disappointed.
	So that Maha movement was immediately subverted even when RFK Jr. joined Trump's campaign.
	So Maha movement was designed specifically to avoid doing anything about vaccines, to avoid touching vaccines entirely.
	It was designed by Kelly and Casey Means with their father, Grady Means, who is as deep state as deep state gets.
	And that's my colleague Debbie Lerman.
	She has a really good series of articles about them.
	So they designed it in the summer.
	When RFK Junior?
	I think it was August.
	Yeah, around then.
	Around August time, they've designed this whole program and they published it in mainstream media.
	I reviewed it also.
	And it was all about Blaming other factors for chronic disease epidemic, blaming the factors that don't cause chronic disease epidemic, such as, for example, like even for...
	For the round-up, you know, pesticide use in food or chemicals used in agriculture in general.
	While I, you know, I think, you know, they should not be overused.
	But on the other hand, it's one of those, like, liberal luxury beliefs of the leftist elites who never actually work in agriculture, never even seen anything, you know, like, besides their backyard, maybe they have,
	like, some kind of a hobby garden, but none of them have...
	Actually produced food reliably for other people.
	And they don't understand that actually it requires use of chemicals in agriculture.
	You can't really avoid it for the most part.
	I kind of have to disagree with you there because I've been looking into that a great deal.
	And all of the farming practices that rely on chemicals all came from Rockefeller, essentially, who took over medicine and farming.
	And if you go back to more permaculture, You can actually restore the balance of nature and health and everything.
	But we can't get there without a massive change.
	And there's an argument that some chemicals might need to be used or maybe phased down as a process.
	But there are farmers who are mass-producing stuff without any chemicals.
	There are farmers.
	But for us to go back to no...
	Like chemicals in mass agriculture, we would have to go back to 80% of the population being farmhands.
	Yeah, which is what we need to do.
	We need to decentralize the food supply.
	Well, but are you going to have now 12 children who are going to farm your farm?
	No, but you don't need 12 children.
	It depends how you run it.
	Home setting is different than running a massive...
	Farm.
	But yes, we need to change farming practices.
	Let's just leave it at we need to change farming practices.
	So all I'm saying, with our current lifestyle and the scale of agriculture and how the agriculture is being produced, there is no removing chemicals.
	Also, Amish use chemicals in agriculture.
	And they use pesticides.
	They use chemicals.
	They use fertilizers.
	Their children are exposed to pesticides and fertilizers.
	And they don't have chronic disease.
	Why?
	Because they don't vaccinate.
	Because pesticides and chemicals don't have any impact.
	Actually, I grew up in an extremely industrially polluted...
	One of the UNESCO-declared environmental catastrophes in the world is my hometown, Zaporizhia, in Ukraine.
	I grew up there.
	I lived there until I was 21. Then I moved to Kiev.
	So I grew up downstream and downwind from 200 industrial plants, chemical production, aluminum smelting, various like really toxic substances.
	The water was extremely polluted.
	The air was extremely polluted.
	We had a creek.
	Running through the city, which was like sludge.
	You could stand on it.
	Flowing into the Dnieper River.
	We were living downstream from 200 commercial plants.
	It's a million people town, city.
	And we were drinking water directly from the river.
	We had no chronic disease epidemic like in the US.
	We did not have any kids with asthma, no kids with allergies.
	I didn't know autism existed.
	Nobody had cancer, really.
	I only know one person in Georgia, a much cleaner place than I grew up in, who had breast cancer.
	And, you know, so we did not have obesity.
	You know, so none of this stuff was happening.
	So I'm saying, and I don't want to live in a place like that.
	I'm saying that was a bad place.
	Like, we hated it.
	We hated that our environment was so polluted.
	So I don't want that.
	But I'm saying it's not the cause that you are ascribing it to, like, from Maha movement.
	Well, Maha movement, they're claiming that...
	Oh, you know, we have obese kids because...
	So Kelly means his favorite is metabolic syndrome.
	What is metabolic syndrome?
	It's nothing.
	You just...
	You can't even define that very well in medicine.
	Like, that's the diagnosis code for it.
	But ask any doctor, you're going to get...
	If you ask 10 different doctors, you'll get 10 different answers.
	Exactly, because it's nothing.
	Is there just naming, saying?
	Like, okay, so somebody has obesity and diabetes and a cardiovascular condition.
	We're going to call it metabolic syndrome.
	That's all.
	It's just a bucket of different symptoms.
	We are not saying anything about the cause, but he's talking about it like, "Oh, I've discovered the cause of our chronic disease epidemic is metabolic syndrome."
	Yeah, it's like our chronic disease epidemic is caused by chronic disease epidemic.
	We're just not going to talk about what it's caused by.
	But it's caused by vaccines.
	And what they want to avoid, they want to avoid discussion of...
	Vaccines and they want to pin it all on other areas.
	And by the way, it's not surprising that they're going after agricultural practices because small farms, if they start banning wholesale, like widely used commercial chemicals that are used in farming,
	a lot of small farms are going to go out of business.
	Because they are going to be able to compete with the more regulatory scrutiny you put on some sector.
	It's always like that.
	You can take any sector, farming, pharma, manufacturing, automotive, any other sector.
	The more regulations you introduce, the more small businesses are driven out and they sell to larger businesses.
	It's already like that in farming.
	Avian flu thing is designed to get us into is to tracing farm to table.
	And I've already seen the programs and the technology designed for this.
	And I think the mRNA fits right in with their plan where they're going to say there's this big bad disease thing.
	They actually have a financial incentive to take over this industry because Gates is invested in this.
	They want to change the the way they produce food and chickens was actually the first thing that they concentrated into commercial farming so that that's at least in terms of livestock so that that's interesting or uh important yeah exactly and so they're they're what they're doing is they're going to have a Tracking system that it's going to be like a barcode or a QR code and you can like on your app when you go to the store you can scan it and it'll say this chicken laid this egg at this place and then it was transferred here and then it was transferred here just
	like the digital ID that they're going to be tracking with us it's going to be with our food but they're going to say it's for our safety.
	Will they have to get rid of the current system or destroy it somehow?
	To the point that it doesn't function in order to say, well, we have this solution.
	So we're going to come in, we're going to fix everything.
	We're going to fix your food.
	It's going to be healthy.
	You're not going to get sick anymore.
	And you're going to know exactly where it came from and that'll solve everything.
	But what they're actually doing is also creating this lab meat and injecting it with poison, which is going to result in deteriorated health when we eat junk because junk in, junk out.
	Exactly.
	So all of this is about control.
	It's not about making the food safer because we already have safe food.
	The food in the U.S. is great.
	Again, I absolutely refuse.
	To all these narratives that we have toxic food, we live in toxic sludge, because I lived in toxic sludge, and I had toxic food, and I know the difference, okay?
	We don't have toxic food in the U.S. or in the West in general.
	In general, there is a variety of food available.
	If you avoid the middle sections of the grocery store where, yes, that's toxic food, and you just go around where the produce and fresh stuff is, you have great choices.
	You can also go to local markets.
	You can buy directly from farmers today, which I advise people to do.
	And we don't have that problem.
	What they're doing is they're making up another fake problem, like with fake pandemics.
	This Maha movement is designed to create another fake problem in everybody's head that we have somehow toxic food, and they need to solve it through these tracing things.
	Right?
	Which simultaneously achieve two objectives: drive out small manufacturers because they can't afford to comply with all this nonsense, and sell to larger ones.
	The larger ones they control with just a few people, like you know Bill Gates invested in them and like some other large names invest in them, so they control them through a couple of choke points, and then they can do whatever they please with that system, because now they control everything around your life,
	and they can They box you into some 15-minute CD, supply you with traceable food.
	You're so happy you can look at it on your app, but they can put whatever they want into that.
	They don't have to tell you the truth anymore because that's total control, right?
	Yeah, it's never been about your health.
	It's always been about control.
	Money and control.
	That's usually what it comes down to.
	And I do agree.
	I think that the MRNA thing is awful.
	And everything that the cases I've worked, everything that I've looked at, everything comes down to the PREP Act.
	So Navier Becerra extending that and not seeing the Trump administration immediately get rid of that and throw it out was incredibly disappointing.
	And I did want to leave on your open letter to RFK on that.
	So before I play that, do you have any questions for me or any closing statements that you'd like to add?
	Yeah, well, so it's good that you brought up the PREP Act, and we'll play that five-minute letter that I produced for RFK Jr.
	The main point I'm saying is all of it hinges on these PREP Act declarations.
	So while everybody's...
	Saying, you know, mismanaged public health.
	No, it's not mismanaged public health.
	It's this PrEP Act declaration.
	The U.S. law very clearly says that this declaration is only based on the opinion of the public health, of HHS secretary.
	And he doesn't have to take into account any scientific data or anybody else's opinion.
	So if the U.S. law is so like giving him such a unilateral authority, why hasn't RFK Jr. terminated that PrEP Act declaration that Javier Becerra put out?
	Why hasn't Trump administration done anything about it?
	Why are they continuing this charade?
	I was seeing some information, and I do agree that this is a pretty good motivation, that during the Trump administration, Operation Warp Speed, they released the mRNA vaccines onto people during the first Trump administration.
	Since Trump is our current president, The PREP Act were to be removed, then he would himself be liable for releasing mRNA, wouldn't it?
	No, he wouldn't be liable, actually.
	So he wouldn't allow that to happen.
	No, no.
	So the way the PREP Act law is written, once the declaration is terminated, nobody's liable backward.
	So the SARA liability protection stops, but it doesn't open anyone for liability retroactively.
	So that's why I don't think...
	So you're saying that none of the people who have been harmed for vaccines or lockdowns or any EUA measure, none of them will be able to get justice even if the PREP Act is dissolved tomorrow.
	Correct.
	If they went into a court of law.
	They would get thrown out and they would cite the PREP Act.
	That's what you're saying.
	Yeah, so if they go, so for civil liability.
	So for civil liability, which everybody tries to push as if it's a civil product liability, it's not, it's a crime.
	But yeah, for civil liabilities, nobody's going to get any justice.
	You can potentially, if you can bring a criminal investigation into something.
	That may happen, but the criminal ones, it's, you know, only attorneys like DAs or attorney general.
	DAs is a very low level.
	It's maybe attorney generals of some states can bring criminal prosecutions, but they are not doing it notice.
	So the only prosecutions today, like Texas and Kansas, are all civil.
	And that's another freaking charade because AGs know that...
	But anyway, as I said, even if it's terminated tomorrow, nobody will get justice.
	Going forward, it removes those liability protections.
	So if it's terminated, if RFK Jr. issues a termination notice, then farmers will stop shipping these products and whatever has been already shipped can't be Deployed because the contracts say that it's not for human use without PrEP Act declaration.
	I'm just asking him to...
	That's how you remove products from the shelves.
	Remove these EUA countermeasures from the shelves by terminating PrEP Act declaration.
	Then they disappear.
	But that's what you'd like to see for all the mRNA products to be removed from the market because they're unsafe.
	I agree.
	Everything I've seen, they're incredibly unsafe.
	Do you have any last comments or questions before I play, or should I go ahead and...
	No, let's go ahead.
	All right.
	Well, thank you for being here.
	Incredible conversation.
	Really enjoyed it.
	Thank you for all the work you do for medical freedom.
	And your articles will be linked, and hopefully we can get some cross-promotion out of this.
	You were meant to be free, but you've got to claim it.
	This is my open letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr.
	Secretary Kennedy, all mRNA injections marketed as COVID vaccines today are emergency use-authorized EUA medical countermeasures.
	The EUA pathway is used only when the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services declares an emergency and issues a PREP Act declaration.
	Section 564 of the Food and Drugs and Cosmetics Act exempts medical countermeasures from the pharmaceutical regulatory compliance or from the informed consent requirements for the duration of the PREP Act declaration of emergency.
	While the manufacturers may choose and FDA may ask to undertake some of the activities typically expected from the investigational clinical trial and manufacturing validation process, none of the typical pharmaceutical regulatory standards are applicable in an enforceable way.
	If there is no enforcement of the law, it's as if the law doesn't exist.
	Misrepresentations of safety, efficacy, or contents of EUA products are allowed by federal law.
	Thus, claims provided by the federal health authorities or manufacturers cannot be considered a reliable source of information.
	When these products are pushed onto unsuspecting consumers, claims about safety, efficacy, or contents of these products are based solely on the HHS Secretary's opinion, which requires no support in scientific evidence.
	Today, three mRNA shots are listed on the CDC childhood vaccination schedule to be given to nine-month-old infants.
	Secretary Kennedy, are we supposed to think that this is now your opinion that these are safe and effective products for babies?
	I do not believe that knowing what you know about mRNA injections, you can honestly believe this yourself.
	Current PREP Act declaration of emergency was extended by the outgoing HHS Secretary Javier Becerra, and it's now supposed to last until December 31st, 2029.
	Real emergencies do not last decades simply based on an opinion of a single public health official.
	There is no real emergency for COVID in the world or in the United States, and you are well aware of this.
	Continued PREP Act declaration, therefore, defies the observed reality and common sense and represents a misuse and abuse of the federal law, which was intended for declaring short-term emergencies in severe situations such as war or acts of terrorism.
	This law also did not envision shipping of billions of doses of medical products legally allowed to be adulterated and misbranded.
	Yet this is precisely what is transpiring under current PREP Act declaration today.
	By keeping PREP Act declaration in place, the current administration continues to contrive a non-existing emergency.
	This contrivance serves only the interests of pharmaceutical companies and those institutions that still mandate the shots, shielding them from liability for deaths and injuries caused by the falsely promoted inherently unsafe products.
	Clearly, this contrivance does not serve the interests of the public at all.
	The continued disregard of the victims of the COVID shots under the thorough liability shield of the PrEP Act abuses the federal law and destroys any remaining shreds of the public trust in the government health authorities.
	These products pose severe risk of harm and death to the public due to the absence of any enforceable pharmaceutical regulations.
	The FDA and manufacturers Falsely claim that these products are fully approved for age 12 and older as prophylactic vaccines.
	However, once someone is injured by these vaccines and seeks compensation for their injuries, they are informed that in fact these products are not legally vaccines, but countermeasures.
	And the only avenue available to them is the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program.
	To date, this program has denied almost all claims and paid only a few thousand dollars to a handful of victims, making a mockery of them and the unbearable toll of their permanently destroyed health.
	During your congressional confirmation hearings, you said that a healthy person has a thousand dreams, while a sick person has only one dream.
	Were you sincere about helping the COVID vaccine victims?
	Secretary Kennedy, I respectfully ask you to please use your authority to immediately terminate the PREP Act emergency declaration for COVID pandemic, as there is no such emergency in reality.
	Please also investigate the misuse and abuse of the federal law utilized in the so-called pandemic response and countermeasures that resulted in the greatest human tragedy in recorded history and also destroyed the public trust in the government health agencies.
	Thank you very much.

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