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Dec. 17, 2024 - Jim Fetzer
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NICHOLAS KOLLERSTROM, Ph.D. - How Jews Forgot Where Their Temple Was
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It's my great pleasure to introduce one of my favorite persons on the face of this planet, the guy I regard as most honorable I've ever known.
When then PM David Cameron declared that anyone who denied the official account of 9-11 was a criminal and ought to be prosecuted, this man took himself down to Scotland Yard with one of his books to turn himself in because he was disputing the official account of 9-11!
And Scotland Yard, in their infinite wisdom, declined to arrest my dear friend Nick Kohlerstrom, who's addressing today How the Jews lost track of their own temple.
How they forgot where it was.
Nick, great to have you here.
Hi there, Jim.
Well, this is a very weighted issue, and I hope, as a science historian, I may be competent to talk about the past history of the Holy Land, which is terribly relevant today.
It's never been more relevant.
And I'm focusing on this concept of the temple.
People talk about the third temple is going to be built.
And I'm saying that there cannot be a third temple because there never was a first temple.
50 years of archaeology have shown that there was not a Solomon's temple in the 10th century BC. Israel then was hardly inhabited.
It was just a little village that sold olives.
And the grand David and Solomon stories are retrospective history.
And do they matter?
Well, they only matter if people have got an imagination that the temple existed And then they put it in a place where no temple ever was, as was silly, at the top of a mountain.
And that is what nowadays is called the Temple Mount.
And it's where it has to be, they fantasise that it's exactly where the terrific, wonderful Al-Azqa Mosque is today.
So if we can have the first slide.
Right, okay, next.
Next.
Right.
Here is the what's called the Dome of the Rock.
Sorry, what's called Temple Mount is a 36 acre flat surface, magnificent flat surface, and it's above, higher than the rest of Jerusalem.
And what is it?
What is it?
And can it have a temple on it?
And has it ever had a temple on it?
That is the question we'll focus on today.
I'm saying that was where the Roman 10th Legion was stationed.
It was Fort Antonia.
And the Romans always built their fort at the highest point of a neighbourhood.
And this is the highest point of what we can call Mount Moriah.
Jerusalem was built on a mountain, a fairly low mountain, which reaches its highest point here.
And that's where the Temple Mount is built.
OK, now.
So there's a US senator I just quoted who says, part of Trump's team, who says he reckons they want to build this new temple, build this temple anew.
So...
So plans are going on for constructing of this temple.
And they imagine this is a replica of a temple that once existed in ancient history.
Right?
And I'm saying this was a Roman Ford.
And Donald Trump is being...
Mislead by the Jews who think, who claim they've got a right to put a construct here, an imaginary construct, and...
Sorry, I can't take all these messages.
And I'm saying we should agree with Muslims.
The Islamic view, at this time, has got nothing whatever to do with the Jews.
Absolutely nothing.
They didn't build it, and...
This dome on rock here was built, obviously, in the 15th century when Islam began.
And it's on...
What is this flat surface that it's on?
Well, the time of Jesus, this was a Roman fort.
It was chock-a-block with Roman troops around...
About 10,000 actually, or 6,000 troops, altogether about 10,000 people, on this huge fortress, Fort Antonia, and it was built by Herod, and that's what it was, and it nowadays has this glorious dome on it, and in what way...
Can Hebrews or Jews or even Christians say, imagine that there used to be a temple there.
This flat surface was built in Roman times, or just about, just before, say, between 150 BC. This huge flat surface was constructed Can I not have all these messages coming up?
Just ignore them.
Right, okay.
So, this is almost unthinkable that Jews want to blow this up.
And they imagine that there used to be an ancient temple there.
Well, how could there have been an ancient temple if the thing was only built in Roman times?
If this big surface, the The Fort Antonia so-called Temple Mount.
If it was built in Roman times, how could it have an ancient temple on it?
So I'd like us all to consider that in the New Testament there's an account of Jesus and his disciples passing by the temple and saying how marvelous it looked, right?
Now where was that temple?
That is the location of the temple.
And it had been done up.
In Jesus' time, it had been done up by Herod.
He refurbished it.
He wanted to please the Jews by doing up a lot of area around Jerusalem.
And the temple was greatly refurbished and improved by him.
That is a temple that did really exist, okay?
Got it?
And we're going to see in a minute where it existed.
Right.
Here we have a phantasm, a wonderful phantasm.
This is the best known temple in the world.
And it's better than any real temples.
It never existed.
Never existed.
And it's better known than any temple that did actually exist.
Okay?
And this wonderfully wise ruler with a Turek temple and his vast empire, and it's all just a fairy tale.
It's so important to project that.
Nowadays, Jews or Zionists are pushing for greater Israel and it's based on a fantasy which unfortunately Christians accept that there once was a greater Israel in 10th century BC from the Nile to the Euphrates, right?
Now it's important to appreciate that was the empire of Egypt, right?
The world's first empire, the glorious empire of ancient Egypt and it did stretch from the Nile to the Euphrates And in 10th century BC, the time imagined for this temple, there was that empire intact.
That's one reason why there was never any empire of David and Solomon.
The storytellers have reimagined this as if And everything about King Solomon is like a memory of ancient Egypt.
As I see it, this story of Solomon's temple is about the only real evidence there is for an exodus, that Jews were once in ancient Egypt and they came over to Canaan and they remembered the glorious temples which really were gold-plated and really did have Great splendour and there really was a king who ruled for about 40 years without war and he had loads of concubines and loads of horses and they reimagined
all that as being their King Solomon.
And this would all be pretty harmless except that that fantasy, the level ground in this picture is supposed to be the Temple Mount, right?
The level ground on which it's built.
I invite you to consider the lack of logic in having that temple built a thousand years before the actual platform had been constructed.
Right, so a terrific lot of imagination and literature and fantasizing and church windows goes into imagining this Temple of Solomon and 50 years of archaeology digging have shown that it's not there, right?
As soon as Jews took over all this area around Judea in 1967, by their war, The one thing they did with single-minded intensity was start digging, looking everywhere for the Solomon's Temple, and it just wasn't there.
Arguably, the one constructive reason for having Jews in that part of the world is that they have refuted their own sacred narrative by showing, by archaeology, that it wasn't there and it didn't happen.
Okay?
Next.
Right.
Now, this is a totally awesome war.
And it's part of what we just looked at, Fort Antonia.
It's terribly important to appreciate that this titanic wall here is one part, the Western Wall, of what was this tremendous Jewish fort.
Sorry, tremendous Roman fort.
I beg your pardon, Roman.
And in 1967, the Jews moved into this part of Jerusalem and they decided this wall was holy.
They somehow imagined that it's theirs.
And why did they imagine that, you know?
And it's part of the fantasy that somewhere around or behind or underneath this Fort Antonia is the remains of Solomon's Temple.
So there's an imagination or a pipe dream that the Romans built their Fort Antonia on top, the highest point of Mount Moriah, on top of the remains of Solomon's Temple.
There's so many things wrong with that that it cannot be.
Hebrews would never build a temple on top of a mountain, whereas Romans always built their fort at the highest point.
So this is a tremendous focus, this wall.
Okay, next.
And these are meant only prayers, meant only.
They're totally violating their own commandment by praying to a wall.
It's absolutely forbidden in the Jewish text.
And here they are.
And what they're asking for is, don't I have to think of all the prayers going into this wall, you know?
Okay.
Next.
Now, and not just them, but they get other people to come along and pray to the wall.
And Cynthia McKinney said, anyone who wants to Be a presidential candidate or whatever, has to go and pray to the wall.
You have to go and put on the hat and pray to the wall.
So I think it's important, theologically speaking, to say that God does not read these prayers.
God will not answer your prayers stuffed into a wall.
And this is total, I don't know what you want to call it, idolatry or whatever.
No, I think it's a chondrick.
I think that's the word.
It's a chondrick.
We get one million prayers of war a year stuffed into this war.
Bits of paper.
People come and clean them out.
And what is going on here?
Next.
So this is a must for any president or prime minister.
You probably will have to come and pray to the war, which is...
I mean, what is that show?
How do you interpret that?
Is it just some rich of a base arts showing you'll do what the chosen ones tell you?
Anyway, it is a terrific war, we must admit.
And let me add that this wall is megalithic, I would say.
Some of the vast stones, which get bigger, the lower down you go down this wall, the bigger the stones get.
At the bottom layer, stones, rectangular stones, about 800 tonnes, sorry, 600 tonnes, and absolutely some of the biggest in the world.
So it's prehistory, maybe second millennium BC, but most of this wall is believed to be Roman.
Okay, right next.
Yeah, I mean, the Pope.
Does he not believe in his own religion?
What the hell is he praying to a wall for?
And this is, it's shocking.
And the only cure for this is real history, right?
What are Jews praying to?
Jews are praying to the remains of Fort Antonia and that is where the 10th legion was stationed, okay, in 70 AD. And the 10th legion, that is the Roman legion that wiped out one million Jews, okay.
This is the greatest extermination of Jews it's ever been.
There were several Roman legions, they must have really pissed off the Romans, several Roman legions surrounded Jerusalem and and exterminated somewhere around one million Jews and they were stationed here at this Fort Antonia.
So while Jews prying to a wall of a fort Where the Roman Legion was stationed, which wiped out a million Jews.
There were about four million in the Roman Empire at this time, just to give a sense of proportion.
And they reduced the whole city of Jerusalem to rubble.
They destroyed the Great Temple, which had seemed so tremendous.
And Jews believed that was where God God himself resided in that amazing, wonderful temple of theirs, the one that Jesus Christ's disciples admired, okay?
That temple of 70 AD was pulverised, reduced to rubble, just like Jesus predicted, okay?
So there was nothing left of it.
And the only thing remaining after Jerusalem had been reduced to rubble by these angry Romans was the fort with the Temple Mount, okay?
That was all that was left.
Which is partly why Jews nowadays try to claim that it's where the temple was.
Okay, next.
Right, so the prayers have to be removed.
I mean, what a factious, crappy idea this is.
And what has gone wrong with people?
They want to stuff prayers into a wall.
Yeah, okay, next.
Right, now.
This is another picture.
In the corner there, that is part of the construct of the Roman fort.
If you read modern Jewish or Christian accounts, they will say this big flat surface was Designed, somehow designed for the Jews or owned by the Jews.
It's where their temple was.
Well, that's rubbish.
It was built by the Romans and it was for the Roman Legion.
What they built for Jews was in the old city, which is probably what you see beyond.
What you see beyond this temple mount here is, I think, parts of the old city.
That did exist.
It was an old walled city, which is where the temple was.
Jewish scriptures are absolutely clear that the Hebrew Jewish Temple has to be near a spring of running water.
So we'll see that defines where the temple actually was.
There's no spring of running water here up on the Temple Mount.
So this is a complete illusion, something that absolutely never existed These are the pictures you will see of...
What you're looking at here is either a projected temple they're going to build or it's an imaginary memory of what they think once existed.
Okay?
Right, next.
So this is another view of it.
There's a...
A fortress in the corner, and Wiki tells you that is Fort Antonia, where the Romans were.
Well, that's rubbish.
That is just some little part of the thing.
But overall, there were 10,000 Romans here, making up a whole cohort, a legion of Romans, to look after Jerusalem.
Jerusalem was regarded as a danger spot, and especially during Passover, Jews had this religion whereby at Passover, that's the first full moon after spring equinox, a family has to come to Jerusalem, slaughter a calf, and cook it and eat it.
Okay?
So picture it as a very geographical religion.
All families of Jews have to come to Jerusalem, and there's only one temple.
Just focus your mind.
There are lots of synagogues nowadays all over the place, but there was only one temple.
The temple was in Jerusalem and the God declared that that's where he lived.
He dwelt in the temple.
So there's a whole lot of...
and you could only have priests.
The Jewish priests were for the temple, the ancestral thing, the priests, and they looked after the temple.
So that one temple was enormously important for the Jews and so it had these strict rules to do with Jerusalem, the holy city, and also once a year, the big event, that Passover full moon, to celebrate, again, another imaginary event, the liberation from Egypt.
Okay, next.
Right.
Now, let's just look at what Josephus says about how many soldiers...
He's the historian of the time, okay?
He's Jewish and he worked for the Romans.
He wrote the great history, such as the Jewish wars.
And let's see what he says.
A legion of soldiers in that fort, and there were 6,000-plus supporting staff, and there's slight confusion.
As if it was a much smaller number, a cohort, but it had 10 cohorts.
So Fort Antonia had thousands of Romans there.
So I put it to you that, let's say Jesus never walked on that Temple Mount and the only Hebrew connection possibly with that Temple Mount area is that In the early story, Abraham and his son Isaac, they went to Mount Moriah to do this sort of sacrifice thing.
They were told to go there.
And so before this whole thing was built there, they were there at Mount Moriah.
That is the only part of the Hebrew Bible which pertains to this The highest point of the Mount, something called Mount Zion, or Mount Moriah, where this Roman legion fortress is built.
Okay, and no Jews would not be allowed up on the Temple Mount.
Right, now this might be helpful.
This puts together two different periods of time.
First of all, we look up to this big rectangle called Temple Mount.
Imaginary, all the Romans are stationed there, okay?
So there's different bits of time put together.
They put the dome of the rock there, which is Islamic.
That's 5th century AD, right?
Now, if we go back to a much earlier time, to the 9th century, 7th century, when Jerusalem started to be a capital city, Which began around about, of Judea, right?
About 7th century BC. There was this city with a wall around it, a walled city, and it came to be called the City of David, okay?
And you can see a kind of staircase connecting the Roman fort with the old city, where soldiers would come and go.
So in terms of the New Testament, what you see at the top, northernmost part of the old city, You see the Temple of Herod, or the royal palace, and then next to it, where the temple would have been.
And as we'll see, that temple is just by the side of a mountain, I don't know if you'll see that, and there was a spring there, the Gihon Spring.
So if the Jews want to rebuild the temple, fine, but put it where it used to be, which is here in the Old City, and you don't need to demolish the The Islamic Mosque there because Jews never had anything to do with it.
Okay, so this is a diagram of two different parts of history put together.
Right, here's a typical Christian diagram which imagines a whole lot of stuff that didn't exist, right?
Now, the Wailing Wall I think it's this part in the south, part of the wall nearest to us.
that's where people pray to now and so they're imagining this temple And around the temple, only Jews were allowed in the temple.
So you see it was in a precinct.
So there was...
There were statements around the temple that there was death to any non-Jew to enter.
So I wonder how they're told who was Jewish or not.
I suppose it's due to being circumcised.
So what I've got E is imagined as court of the Gentiles.
So there's a fantasy, since I'm a Christian, Christian guide was that the whole area of Tel Aviv is named thought of the Gentiles as if non-Jews were allowed to pot around that.
Well, that's an outrageous fantasy and please let's stop doing that, okay?
We need some real history and historians to get a grip with what was built by Rome and the fact that Jews were not there and had nothing to do with it.
Okay, right, next.
Right, let's just look at a few historical notes here.
20 BC, Herod the Great begins to rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem, gleaming with white marble and gold.
So this is done by goodwill.
He had a private income from his rich wife, and he wanted to please the Jews by doing it up.
And this is what Jesus and his disciples admired, okay?
Now, you get a famous historian, Tacitus, and writing end of the first century, in Jerusalem there stood a temple of immense wealth.
First came the city with its fortifications, that's outside, then the royal palace, then, within the innermost defences, the temple itself.
So the temple was next to the royal palace inside the city of Jerusalem, right?
That's a totally reliable historian.
Okay, then there's the prediction of Jesus given in Luke's Gospel.
These things, not one stone shall be left from another that shall not be thrown down.
So that was very important for the newly burgeoning Christian religion in centuries later, that Jerusalem was just a rubble and there was nothing there.
And that was seen as being...
A great fulfilment of this prophecy, and it meant that Jews no longer had their history and the great focus of the religion in the temple, so they no longer had priests.
The priests were defined as serving the temple and you couldn't have a priest without that temple.
So that is very crucial.
That temple was destroyed.
And as centuries rolled by, so time of Crusades, people totally forgot where the temple had been.
That's the important thing to understand.
People had no memory because it had all been reduced to rubble.
People had no memory where the temple had been.
And the only thing really existing was the Temple Mount.
That's why they begin to imagine that...
Okay, next.
They began to imagine that Mabel, that's where the Temple had been.
Right, here's another diagram you might find helpful of the old city.
Okay?
It's walled, sometimes called David City.
Up the top of it, Mount Moriah, that is where, later on, Romans built their Fort Antonia.
Okay?
And you can see Jerusalem is built on a mountain.
And you can see what's labelled the Gihon Spring is next to where the temple was.
So if you go and visit Jerusalem nowadays, I think you can see this remains of this whole city and you can definitely still see the Gihon Spring.
So it's important to visualise that.
Let's have a bit of real history and Jews need to get a grip on real history.
There was no Solomon's Temple and can they please stop praying to the remains of the Roman fort which wiped out a million Jews in 70 AD. The greatest catastrophe ever to befall the Jewish people.
So, yeah, so here are some witnesses to the spring of fresh water because it's all got very obfuscated because they're trying to pretend it all happened on the Temple Mount.
Right, this is Aristeas, Temple of Jerusalem.
A letter.
Some people doubt whether it's genuine, but it probably is.
There is an inexhaustible supply of water.
An abundant natural spring gushes up from within the temple, right?
Now, within a Jewish temple, why do you need water?
Because of the sacrifice.
Jewish temple was a cross between a bank and a butcher shop.
The animals got slaughtered there and the gold got stored there, right?
In the book of Joel, a fountain shall flow from the house of the Lord.
Ezekiel, his vision.
He brought me to the back door of the temple.
There was water flowing from under the threshold of the temple, facing east.
So it had to be flowing fresh water.
It couldn't be stagnant or stationary.
And to cleanse themselves, they had to rinse.
After all the bloody sacrifices, they had to rinse with fresh water.
Okay, now Tacitus, Romans, Jerusalem, then once still a temple of immense wealth, Sorry, I read that out.
The temple resembles a citadel.
It contains an inexhaustible spring.
So that is the key thing.
You want to find out where the temple used to be and Jews need to get a grip and realise that that is not happening on the Temple Mount.
Right, next.
So, one more diagram.
This is the old city which was walled and it's sort of imagining It's ancient time.
So the palace, in the New Testament, you get Jesus' final interrogations going on in the palace.
And then the archaeologists found what they call a step structure.
There are remains.
There's a good book, Temple, by Bob Cornuke, which I recommend, of him finding the remains of the temple next to the spring.
There are some remains of it.
Right.
Okay, now I think it's terribly important that Jerusalem belongs to all mankind and I think we should endorse the post-war division of three Jews, Christians and Muslims sharing the holy city of Jerusalem.
I think it's totally catastrophic, Trump giving the whole thing to Jerusalem.
So it's a city that should belong to all of the world.
And you definitely shouldn't have to put a funny cap on to appreciate that more.
Right.
So here is what I've already been talking about, how the temple was destroyed.
And this is shattering for, say, all Jews, including Jerusalem, to see it happened.
Orders to demolish the entire city.
Now, the Romans never did this to anyone else, so they must have been really annoyed to have their whole holy sacred city destroyed.
The towers spared just to demonstrate that there was a city.
But for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation that there was left nothing to make those that came there to believe that it had ever been inhabited.
This was the end which Jerusalem came to, by the madness of those that were for innovations, a city otherwise of great magnificence, of mighty fame among all mankind.
Mighty fame, so that's it.
Notice how Josephus doesn't say what it was that annoyed the Romans, the madness of us that were for innovations.
Those of the Jews didn't want to accept Roman law.
Anyway, let's not go into that.
But what's important here is that people were ploughing it up with cattle and people were picking bits of rock and stone to make other buildings and that is the reason why the memory of where the temple used to be got lost and Jews didn't want to admit that and want to pretend,
fantasize, they had a temple up on the what they call Temple Mount.
That's a very misleading term, right?
No temple was mounted on that surface so Part of the sort of mental hypnotism you're given is, oh, the Temple Mount.
No, no, it was Fort Antonia, it's the remains of the Roman fort.
Right, okay, next.
Okay, this is right in the middle of the Temple Mount and it's where the The Islamic Mosque now is, and this is the highest part of Mount Moriah, the pinnacle of Mount Moriah, and where it just peeps up above the fort, right?
Above the surface.
And that's just a vision of it.
If you're familiar with I think that's where they want to build Temple of Solomon.
If you're familiar with the Bible, there's a story of David choosing the site for the temple of the Jews, the Hebrew temple, and it's dealing with the threshing floor.
He paid money to a farmer who was winnowing his wheat for a bit of space to build his temple.
Although David didn't actually build a temple, but That could be a location of where it was.
You can't possibly have a farmer winnowing his wheat on top of a mountain.
Okay?
Right.
Next.
This chap's really good, Bob Cornuke.
I recommend his book Temple, a sort of swashbuckling adventurer.
And let's just read his view of this Jewish conceit, that the vast Fort Antonia was built for their benefit.
Paintings, renderings and models of the temple today all show a glorious white pillar of the temple perched on top of a 36-acre temple mount platform and then they awkwardly add a small, almost unnoticeable, Roman fort at the north west corner.
Why would the Romans, who are controlled perfectionists, allow Jewish worship centre to be constructed with its far mightier in stature and defence bulwarks than their own much smaller fortress?
Does anyone think that after building this huge castle-like structure for the Jews, with thousands of massive stone blocks, some as large as a big truck, that they would then build a subordinate-sized fort, stick it in the corner like you would a tiny garage next to a sprawling mansion, the concept simply violates all logic?
Okay, so he's figured out the story.
In fact, I probably got what I'm telling you from him a lot about the real history and the way it's been Sort of screwed over, and the storytellers in the Old Testament, they wanted to construct a glorious past, and so they fantasized the Solomon's Temple.
And nowadays, Jews want to Imagine and claim what is not theirs, what has nothing to do with theirs.
And it's important for world peace, to avoid World War III breaking out, that we understand this, of what is not theirs.
There's no right whatever to blow up the marvellous Islamic temple, Durham, because there was never any Jewish temple there at all.
Okay, next.
Right, I think we're coming to the end.
It's just a bit more comments about the fort by Josephus, what it looked like in his time.
The Cicidal was built by the kings of the Hasmonean race.
They're the people just before the Roman Empire, about 100 or so BC. Tower of Antonia, it was the work of King Herod.
Inward parts are the largest form of a palace, all kinds of rooms, courts, places of bathing.
It might seem to be composed of several cities, Great towers in its corners.
And so there were towers which overlooked Jerusalem.
That was what the Romans wanted, so they could keep an eye on the place.
And on the corner, it had a passage down through which the guard could go into Jerusalem.
We saw that earlier, didn't we?
OK, I think that's nearly the end now.
Any more?
Right.
And the terrible destruction then took place.
And Joseph said, "A visitor would wonder what the point of the camp was to guard such an empty and desolate area." You can hardly believe that there used to be a great city next to the camp.
A commander of Jewish resistance, Masada, 73 AD, that's three years after the destruction, It, Jerusalem, is now demolished to its very foundations and has nothing left but the monument of it preserved, i.e.
the camp of those Romans that have destroyed it, which still dwells upon its ruins.
Okay.
And then a Christian historian, Eusebius, a third century, The Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed it in the temple there.
It was reduced to a Roman farm with cattle.
Okay.
So there was never a more great complete destruction of a city, right?
Okay.
Now, I recommend all places of learning, and universities should have this book, Palestine, a 4,000-year history.
Jews are trying to wipe out Palestine and deny that it had a history.
And this is what he says about the terrific efforts of Jews to find evidence for the Temple of Solomon and how they couldn't do it.
What's more than 150 years of thousands of biblical excavations around the old city of Jerusalem, so no material history or archaeological evidence for any Kingdom of David from 1000 BC. The reason for the lack of any material evidence for the United Kingdom of David and Solomon and other mega narratives of the Old Testament is simple.
These are invented traditions.
The kingdom of David was probably based on a small tribal leader in Judea, okay?
So he did exist because succeeding kings remembering his name, you've got Kings of Judea call themselves descendants of David.
So that's your evidence that he existed.
So he seems to have been some small tribal leader and there were no kingdoms in that time.
No kings because there were no kingdoms.
There weren't enough people and there were just Egyptian, as I said before, Egyptian overlords.
In the whole of Canaan and Palestine around this alleged time of David and Solomon.
Right.
So, leading archaeologists are realising that they cannot sustain the idea of the United Kingdom of David and Solomon.
And in your Bible it says Jerusalem was the capital of Israel, and it's important to put that that did not ever happen.
Right not?
No.
Later centuries, it became the capital of Judea, and Israel, further north, was wiped out forever, 722 BC. But anyway, that's another story.
It doesn't really concern us.
Okay, here we go on.
Right, that's the nod.
Okay.
Nick, I love it, I love it, I love it.
Tell me, what do you think is the objective of wanting to destroy the Al-Asqa Mosque?
I mean, it's the third most holy site in all of Islam after Mecca and Medina, and it seemed to me just sadistic to want to destroy it.
But it's clear there's a major movement That's dedicated to that very proposition.
Yeah, well, there's nothing in the Old Testament that says that there was a temple there.
I mean, obviously not.
It's just a desire to...
Cause trouble, I think, and just fantasize about their past.
I think the Jews have a true power and knack of getting other people to believe their version of the past.
This is a very, very weird and horrendous thing about the modern world that people believe the story of the Jews.
And the New Testament says, quote, do not believe the stories of the Jews.
And I would urge, urge everyone to take that seriously.
And we need three-way dialogues.
We need trilogues.
I think you and me and Kevin Barrett need to go to Jerusalem, Jim, and get these trilogues going, right, with Muslims, Jews and Christians calmly talking to each other, and without threats and violence, calmly go over real history.
More blood has been shed around here, I'm told, than any other part of the world, and it's religious wars.
As if the different religions are incompatible.
And I think we need a sharing out of Jerusalem.
I mean, it's a tremendously powerful kind of place to be and to have control of.
And Jews need to not be allowed to get carried away with their fantasies.
And that's what it is.
We've been looking at quite a few versions of this fantasy.
They imagine a temple that never existed, Solomon's Temple, and then they imagine that it was on a flat surface.
It was only built around the Roman Empire.
And a bit of calm debate within whatever you want to call us, the truth movement or whatever, is what is required.
Yes.
Now, Ethan seems to have missed where the real temple was located, but you showed it very clearly on this slide, Nick.
Is it visible to you here and now?
Here was a true location, and this is where the springs were, and you went over this multiple times.
Here's another indication, the springs.
Here's yet another where the springs and where the real temple was located.
That question has a very straightforward and simple answer.
I think so, yeah.
Yeah.
Let me see if there are any other questions here, and I've asked people to put questions in caps.
Right.
What is currently on the actual location then, meaning right now today?
What's on the location near the springs, Nick?
Yeah, I can't quite answer that, but that's...
That book, Temple, by Bob Cornuke, is very good.
Recommend that.
And I think I've got another one, actually.
I'll just get another one.
Hang on.
Church.
Sure, absolutely.
I just want to emphasize how thorough and systematic is Nick in all of his research.
Here's a good one.
If you want to stand it seriously, as we all should, if you want to give a college course or have a group, The Jerusalem Temple Mount Myth by Marilyn Samms.
I think that covers things very well.
It looks at ancient sources.
Bob Cornuke book is more readable.
And there are also some various websites called Bob Cornuke.
There's a question about the Red Heifer operation, Nick, or, you know, event.
I mean, this just seems to be so provocative that they really are wanting to, you know, incite animosity, I mean, inflame I think it's just vicious control of this segment of the Jewish community that want to put the Arabs in their place and say, you may outnumber us by many, many fold, but we control you.
I think it's of that order, your thought.
Well, there are American Christian movements, quite large, that unfortunately believe all this horrible crap.
And the idea of some red heifer that's unspotted That will be sacrificed.
I mean, let me emphasize, if they want to rebuild the temple, there's going to be an accord with their sacred text, and that means continual flow of blood of animals, right?
They're going to have to do it, because otherwise, I mean, what do they think they're going to invoke?
And so this red heifer stuff, I mean...
There are a whole lot of TV Christians who encourage this horrible stuff, horrible nonsense, and I think the truth movement needs to stand up and say, we don't want this in our modern world.
The alternative view would be, fine, if you want to slaughter animals, do so, but do it where the old temple was, in the old city.
Don't do it on the Temple Mount, which has nothing to do with Jews.
Right.
There's been a request for you to show the book cover again.
Some were not able to get the details from the book.
So if you could hold it up for a bit longer.
Back a little.
Yeah, it's hard to read it.
No, you got too far.
Now you got to come forward.
Yeah, it's because the title tilted us slightly.
The title's in gold.
Tilt it the other way, the top forward.
Bring the top forward just a hair.
Yeah, okay, so the title...
Jerusalem Temple Mount Myth.
Jerusalem Temple Mount Myth.
And the author is?
Marin Sams.
S-I-M-S. Okay, we got it here.
We got it here.
Very good.
We got it here.
Very good.
Someone, let's see, this is Ethan again.
He thinks the real final temple will be the Mishkan Tabernacle resurrected.
Nick, does that make any sense?
Mishkan?
Yeah, that's how he spells it.
M-I-S-H-K-A-N tabernacle.
Resurrected.
Ethan, we don't quite know.
No, no.
Let's say that the reason there's such a mystique in all this is partly because they will get going priests again, the Jewish priests, okay?
At the moment, there's only rabbis in the world.
Because ever since 70 AD, when the temple was destroyed, Jews have not had priests.
So there's a big deal about a Jewish priest, which presumably they're somehow going to resurrect and start up again.
Anyway, this is...
I think it's extremely dark.
It's a terrible moment in history when Greater Israel seems to be materialising.
They're pulverising southern Lebanon and pulverising Syria and obviously wanting to expand into those two areas and it is terrible that America is supplying with weapons to enable them to do this.
So I think on historical grounds we, if we can be heard at all, have got to say there never was a Greater Israel Israel that existed was a very small little place just west of the Jordan River that ended about 28 centuries ago and we've got to try and promote real history I think and on that basis have interfaith dialogues about what's
going to happen with Jerusalem and this idea of a confrontation with Screaming Jews threatening to destroy the Islamic Temple Mount is obviously very provocative.
And the worst thing was they can do this because a huge number of Christians in America are supporting them.
Isn't one of their beliefs that you have to destroy the The mosque and rebuild the temple on that location to bring about the return of the Meshiach?
Sounds like it, yeah.
I mean, it was...
Obviously, the Muslims would be enraged beyond endurance, quite unstandedly, if that happens.
And I wouldn't have thought that was a good idea.
I mean, look, if they destroy the temple, The mosque.
That's going to enrage the entire Muslim community.
I would think it would launch a holy war.
I think you'd have millions of Muslims that send into Israel bloodthirsty.
That would be my take, Nick.
Am I wrong?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, totally, yeah.
That's totally inevitable.
So I think we need to try, if we can, generate some kind of real history movement, get everyone to calm down, real history.
Sure, if Jews want to have a temple, they can't have a third temple because the first one never existed.
You might possibly call it the second sample if you want to, and put it where the old one actually was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And of course there's a comment, not all Christians believe it.
Of course not.
I'm talking about the Christian Zionist community, which is actually an oxymoron itself contradictory in the sense that the Zionists Despised Christians and Zionists are happy to kill all the Christians.
If you go to the Talmudic sources and so forth, which date back to Babylon, the real Zionist supremacists have contempt for Christians and declare, even the best of the Christians must die.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, they're really committing a form of suicide.
I mean, it's intellectually moronic, in my view, properly understood.
And I think most of them don't have anything remotely approximating a proper understanding of Zionism.
They simply think that Christianity is kind of an extension of Judaism, rather being It's antithetical in that you can somehow have a reconciliation and an apocalypse and a return of...
Well, they think it's going to be Jesus, but I think the Jews have a very different idea of what's going to happen when all this happens, Nick.
Right, yeah, yeah.
Well, if an apocalypse is going to happen, well...
I just think we need to try and avoid this catastrophic outcome.
And it's alarming that there are so many dual citizens around Trump and so many Israel firsters.
But I urge Americans listening to this, just do what you can.
Get on radio shows and just do whatever you can.
There are books about real history and I think there's enough real history books to try and get the message across.
You know, a lot of, we have in the chat, people citing scripture, but the whole question is the interpretation of the scripture.
There are words written, and often they're results of translation.
They weren't in the original language, which may have been in Aramaic, may have been Hebrew.
Then you have the Scoville Bible, which is its own.
Oh, sure.
Just give me one or two other comments, Sergeant.
Yeah.
Oh, well, the comment was just scripture, you know, the idea that we have some kind of infallible source as to how we should understand all these things.
And my point being that it's all up in the air in terms of interpretation, you know, the versions of the Bible being handed down, the original language.
Yeah.
I think that Christian religion isn't going to be any use unless it can accept the real history that has been discovered by, you know, decades of hard work.
And it is not the case, as it says in the Bible, that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel.
It's a fictional history.
It's a glorious past that's constructed, probably written about, I don't know, 3rd century BC, to imagine this terrific, glorious past In order to give Judea a sense of national unity.
And I don't think Christians should accept the literal history as if all this hadn't been discovered.
It has been found out, it has been discovered, and we have got in some degree a real history of that region.
Yeah.
Well, Nick, I love your ongoing efforts.
You are Such a serious, competent, dedicated scholar and a historian of these highly controversial issues.
I regard you as preeminent in this area, my friend.
I think this presentation was superb and everyone concerned with the Middle East ought to pay attention because we might have a world war that would emanate from destroying The Alaska Mosque, based upon false beliefs about history, and claims that that was a location of a Jewish temple that either did not exist or only was located at a very different place.
I mean, it's just that great.
Yeah.
Okay, Jim.
Well, I'll be happy to discuss it any further if anyone else wants to talk about it.
I think this is a subject that we need to keep going over, you know, as it develops.
Oh yeah, Nick, you're just doing super, super, super work.
I just cannot thank you enough.
And I'm very pleased we're going to have you back tomorrow again to talk about the fall of the House of Windsor, my friend.
I'll try to adjust that, yeah.
Okay, I'll see you tomorrow, Jim.
Well done, Nick.
Thank you very much.
We'll take a break and set up for our next speaker, Victor Hugo Vaca.
We'll be right back.
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