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Will Trump Stop the mRNA Bioweapons? - Sasha latypove with Dr. Jane Ruby, Nov. 6, 2024
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Recently, the White House issued a ruling out of the Office of Science and Technology Policy that appeared to be promoting tighter oversight of gain-of-function laboratories.
But in reality, it was the opposite.
It was a license to conduct the illegal gain-of-function work with toxic pathogens at the very highest level, unfettered and without legal liability, for any injuries or damage.
What some experts are saying, that genetic and virology theories of manipulation are false.
Hmm.
So which is it?
Well, this is the Dr.
Jane Ruby Show, and you're about to enter Truth in Medicine.
Welcome to the Dr.
J.
Jane Ruby Show on this Wednesday, November 6th, 2024.
Well, my show tonight was planned to discuss a document that was issued out of the White House back in May that is critical to whether or not gain-of-function oversight is really going to happen.
And I, of course, invited one of my favorite experts in this area, Sasha Latapova, who is an analyst and a former pharmaceutical expert Welcome
to my show!
Because this White House, Biden-Harris White House, is still in control right now.
I wanted to bring in Sasha to talk about some of the implications and the concerns that some of us have, many of us have, with this election of President Trump.
Sasha, thanks for being here tonight.
It's great to see you.
Hi, Dr.
Jean.
Great to see you again.
Yes, thank you so much.
I noticed you published an article in your Substack, which is proliferative.
It's incredibly great information on the concerns and the issues around this.
I've certainly put a lot of information to my social media.
Obviously, Kamala Harris would have been a complete and total disaster.
It would have decimated the public's morale, and I agree.
It would have been the worst thing.
We would have been over, 100%.
But President Trump, for me and some of us, is not the panacea.
So I wanted to get your take on what your thoughts are about this as people are celebrating all day and into the night tonight.
Yes.
So, you know, I am relieved that it's not Kamala regime.
That would have definitely been an absolute disaster for this country.
So I'm relieved about that.
What I'm disappointed is we were essentially forced to vote for the lesser of two evils.
And I'm also extremely disappointed, as you know, I've been very critical of Trump, specifically about his stance on Operation Warp Speed, that he still did not acknowledge really the victims, that he did not...
He did not say anything bad.
He continues praising it as if it was, you know, they saved millions of lives, which is a total lie.
And so that's why, you know, both of us were critical about him.
And I continue to be so.
So he made many campaign promises.
And I think our job, all of us, It's to be vigilant and never trust the government again, no matter who wins, no matter how much we love the person, we still cannot trust them.
And so we have to keep an eye on what's going on.
How are they going to fulfill their campaign promises?
Who are they appointing to keep posts?
And already there's lots of speculations flying around.
In industry press, I've been watching.
I posted a quick post this morning.
I'll post some more.
And so that remains very interesting.
Who are they going to put in key positions?
What are they going to promote, especially about health, which is our area of interest?
Are they going to just say, oh, you know, ban all the sodas and all the Kellogg products and all that, but continue forcing 70 injections on our children as a condition of attending school?
That's my primary concern as a mother.
And I'm never going to stop speaking about it.
I'm never going to stop pushing them and criticizing them about this.
Yes, and I wanted to pick your brain about this issue.
You've done some excellent work with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I'm sure you're very proud of that.
I'm proud of you for being on his radar, and certainly he has the ability to accomplish a lot.
The concern I have about him is the same one I have about President Trump relative to The COVID, mRNA, what we now know from your work and Katherine Watts, a biological weapon, and Dr.
David Martin, his work.
These two men, RFK Jr.
and President Trump, don't even mention it.
They don't mention the word mRNA.
And J.D. Vance has invested in millions of dollars in AmplifyBio.
I don't know how to proceed.
Yeah, it also remains my concern.
I actually texted Robert Kennedy Jr.
this morning, congratulations, and I said that Trump won because of him.
Without him, Trump wouldn't have won.
The people would not have united.
And turned up in numbers because some of those people just decided to believe in RFK Jr.
and his position on vaccines, on health, and so forth.
Now, what I was disappointed about is when he joined Trump's campaign, he immediately stopped talking about vaccines and started talking about food and toxic environments.
And I wrote about it.
And so that to me that again, you know, is he going to be sidelined?
Is he going to be pigeonholed by people like Kelly and Casey Means who are total installed and they're already being promoted as all key nominees for FDA and so forth.
So is he going to be sidelined?
And those people are going to be put in front to, again, gaslight everyone, misdirect from the vaccine damage.
And that's going to be what I'm going to be watching.
Well, this is the problem.
The corruption, the lobbyists, the pharmaceutical power and money, the unholy marriage between pharma and the DOD, those things are still in place.
So I'm not sure people, Sasha, I find confabulate in their minds.
They'll say, oh, RFK is going to get rid of our mRNA and Trump's going to address the issue of Operation Warp Speed.
They didn't even talk about it during the campaign.
How can people expect that something will really change?
And talking about a lesser issue, no offense, food and autism, those are significant issues, but they're subordinate, in my opinion, to the mRNA that's going to be created in Moderna's building hundreds of factories all over the world.
Where do we go?
Exactly.
I personally met several people, you know, through going to these meetings and testifying and presentations.
I met several families who lost children to the mRNA shots.
These parents, you know, when you sit with them in the room, you have to still yourself.
How much pain these people are going through.
And not a single mention from Trump on the campaign trail about the existence of these people.
And all this talk about food, their children are dead.
And it's not because the parents gave them Captain Crunch.
But we're led to believe, yeah, we're led to believe that Captain Crunch and let's go protest in front of Kellogg is such an important issue while children receive 27 injections of poison by the time they're two years old.
That needs to stop.
In fact, RFK Jr., Mr.
Kennedy, you haven't said a word since you aligned with Trump on the childhood schedule, which is loaded with COVID shots from birth through 18 years.
It's appalling.
It just got slipped in there.
I guess our work is not done going forward.
No, it's just beginning.
Yeah, I'm very concerned for the nation because, as you know, the self-amplifying RNA, are you concerned about that?
Apparently, and you may bring new information, it not only self-replicates itself after injected, like it doubles and triples or whatever, we don't even know what the data is on that.
At least I don't.
And then apparently the...
The shedding or transference that Pfizer talked about in its own documents as a serious AE, adverse event, is also going to be blown up and multiplied.
So this is very dangerous for people who haven't taken the shots.
Tell me what you know about all of that.
Yes, so I wrote about self-amplifying RNA. The concerns with it are the same concerns with the regular mRNA.
My personal opinion, they're not that different.
It's mostly an IP play and a marketing trick.
But they both shed.
And the more people get injected, the more shedding is going to happen.
Also, now all these, you know, new vaccines that they're putting on, for example, the flu mist, recent data shows that it's shedding like crazy.
Oh my god.
And this is a flu mist, okay?
So because of that, because how much total vaccination they're pushing on people, especially with these products, with these very dangerous products that shed, we're going to have an environment where people are constantly exposed to this type of shedding.
And so nobody's studying it, and we need to understand it.
And people have different predispositions and different their own vulnerabilities.
I know some people are more sensitive than others.
So Yes, it's going to be an issue.
And again, both of them are silent about it.
Because what?
Because this is, you know, the farmers have invested gazillions of dollars.
The U.S. government has invested in all these mRNA factories, built Resilience, which is a CIA-backed Scott Gottlieb organization.
And they're producing this and they're planning to produce this garbage in huge quantities.
But people are becoming very resistant.
Yeah, I'm very concerned about it because it's not even...
The mRNA is a huge problem and you have hundreds of factories that are...
You know, you've written a lot about good manufacturing practices.
Nobody's ever done anything about that or implemented it or paid attention to your work on that.
And they're building these factories.
Who's...
I'm going to be monitoring where's the oversight for the good manufacturing processes.
I just don't get it.
But the other issue is, relative to what you just said, where I was going with that, is something like ACAM2000, which I believe, if I have my...
Things in order here is the live smallpox.
I mean, they even say that if you get that, you have to quarantine.
And they're using it for monkeypox with a fake PCR diagnosis.
You're going to have to quarantine yourself from your own family even for 14 days because you have been injected with a living virus.
You have multiple expertise around that.
So help me sort that one out.
Yeah, I think it's lunacy and I'm just trying to reach as many people as possible to not comply with this, to not subject themselves to these injections, not subject their loved ones to these injections because yes, they become Threats to their own families and their own environment, whoever they interact with.
And, you know, there's a debate about, you know, viruses don't exist, but the shedding does exist.
So whatever shedding is, maybe it's exosomes, maybe it's plasmids being shed from the person.
You know, we have, we shed our own Material, skin, for example, continuously.
You know, there's saliva sweat, whatever.
And so those products, the body is trying to get rid of these toxins that have been injected.
The body is trying to get rid, and so they become these, you know, these byproducts go into shedding.
And then if there is sufficient...
Volume of it and somebody more vulnerable, like maybe a small baby.
Like we've known several cases where small babies died because the family got all COVID vaccinated.
So the baby wasn't, but the baby got shed on.
Oh my god.
Because the baby is small, and all this volume is coming from the entire family, so obviously this can happen.
Oh my god.
Yeah, and they are pushing all these products, like there's no tomorrow, building these factories, eliminating all the regulations, just so that their investments can generate return.
And they're hoping for more government money and more pandemics, because that's how it worked last time.
But now we're going to have someone in the White House as a Vice President, J.D. Vance, who's heavily invested with Vivek Ramaswamy, another little darling that everyone thinks is a savior, 2028, you know, those kinds of things, that are heavily invested in mRNA.
And the public is so tone deaf to not even ask questions or demand that they justify what they're doing.
They're now getting into a position where they literally can control law and put us at risk at the same time.
So if you could get RFK Jr.'s ear on that, what would you tell them?
Well, yeah, I wish I could get his ear on that.
I'm sure there's now an army of lobbyists and everyone else is descending on the campaign, so good luck with that.
But if I could speak with him, I would bring back the memo that Catherine and I drafted for Senator Ron Johnson in December 2022.
It's a one-page memo which clearly outlines the law that's been, the evil law, the illegal law that's been put on the books that enabled all this atrocity.
And the number one thing would be to nullify these laws and the PREP Act.
And the vaccine liability, the 86 law.
But absolutely, the PREP Act has to go.
But nobody is even mentioning it.
So they're mentioning the 86 law, but they're not mentioning the PREP Act.
We still have a PREP Act declaration open for COVID. People don't realize this.
We still are under pandemic for COVID, and it's set to expire on December 31st of this year.
So the first step would be to see, is it going to be led to expire?
Or are they going to renew it?
And so the EUA countermeasure law absolutely has to go.
That's the license to kill.
Absolutely.
That's when the military funds countermeasures and then pharma and healthcare distributes them and deploys them onto people and are given full liability protection no matter how many people they kill or injure.
So that's a license to kill, and that needs to go.
And those are the key big things that can be addressed.
But are they going to be addressed?
Nobody's even speaking about it.
How long ago did you and Catherine provide that one-page memo to Ron Johnson?
December 2022.
Two years ago, I want to call attention to the public.
Sasha just said that they provided it to Ron Johnson, and this is not about him individually, although it is and it isn't, but you provided it to him two years ago.
He is a legislator.
in a position to drum up, I don't care what the excuses are, at least he's never even attempted or started any action toward shutting down all of this.
These are laws that they could suspend, preserve for further discussion.
Stop because they're related to so much danger.
And this is what worries me.
That nobody's talking about it.
And my argument was, during the campaign, if they're not talking about it right now, they're not doing anything.
And when people say, I'm too hard on Congress, two years ago you gave them this evidence?
And he, and anyone around him, and anyone on either side of the aisle, has not done a thing.
Yeah, and it was on his request.
He asked for it.
So it's not like we, you know, just send random to his email.
No, he got on Zoom call with us, asked us to put together this memo.
Catherine and I and a few attorneys and others worked on it through Christmas.
We worked very hard creating a two, like a one and a half page document, which summarizes all this, and a 700 megabyte Attachment of meticulously documented evidence.
And so this was given to them on their request and nothing happened from there.
Nothing.
Was it just sent to him or was it entered into some record that you know of?
I don't know about the record.
I mean, there were a lot of the meetings were arranged by his staff members.
We interacted with his staff members also on production of this.
And after we sent it, they did not follow up at all.
And it was never mentioned in any of his subsequent hearings that he put together with various experts.
And, you know, to give them credit, they invited me to Juana and I couldn't travel at the time.
I had another conflict, so I didn't go.
But, you know, this wasn't discussed at all.
It was tangentially a little bit discussed by Harvey Rich from Yale.
He talked maybe 15 minutes about it.
Mm-hmm.
In one of the hearings, but nobody else brought up anything like that.
Well, you just further affirmed my accusation of Congress, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, Mike Lee, that they have these hearings, much less have people like you, experts, prepare documents with attorneys.
And they do nothing.
They just get re-elected.
And unfortunately, Or fortunately, we just...
I say we.
I'm really not a part of a political party anymore.
But more on the sort of Republican-Conservative side, the Republicans took the House and the Senate.
And people are dancing about that all day today.
But my response is, why?
99% of them are the rhinos that ignored you for the last...
You vaccine injured.
You, you know, people that have been wronged by this COVID scam and injured and loved ones killed.
These are the same people that did nothing for four years.
Why is that a positive thing?
So people go, well, in good time, we'll change it.
Time to have changed it.
Well, you know, I am optimistic.
I am always optimistic.
And I think it's a good starting point.
And let's keep them honest.
It's better than the starting point we would have had had Kamala won, for sure.
But it's not very comforting to me.
Yeah, so I will continue being vigilant and writing about this and calling their BS when they are full of BS, which is, you know, very awesome.
Sasha, I have to say publicly that you are one of the very few people, and I mean very few, that I could count on one hand, Catherine Watt included, we'd include her in this, that have, in spite of the opportunities you've been given and the speaking out and the reach you've had, you've never wavered.
The facts are the facts.
The research is the research.
You've never been There's no evidence that you've been co-opted, and I really want to thank you, you know, just for staying the course and doing the great work you do, because we wouldn't even know the extent of the crime if it wasn't for the work you guys have done and Craig Parta Cooper and all that other stuff.
Okay, let's take a quick break.
I think that would be a good idea here.
We're going to take a break, and when we return, I'm going to ask Sasha to present some information that she has relative to this document that was released back in May by the White House saying that they're going to provide all this oversight.
It's basically for gain of function.
They had a nice fancy term around it with enhanced pandemic potential.
But in essence, when you really look at it, to me, it looked like they were loosening.
The oversight.
So don't go away.
You won't want to miss her take on this and some of the information that she's uncovered.
I'll be right back.
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I'm here with Sasha Latapova.
Back in May, the White House issued a document out of the Office of Science and Technology Policy entitled United States Government Policy for Oversight of Dual-Use Research of Concern and Pathogens Within Essentially, they were claiming that they were tightening the oversight over gain-of-function research.
But research actually that should have been suspended, in my opinion, but now is funded with billions and billions of your money.
But like all of these notices, legislative bills and other garbage coming out of this government, it's actually the opposite.
Because in the notice, after laying out all of the positives of tighter oversight, they actually slipped in the ability for any federal agency to secure a 180...
A degree, I'm sorry, day, waiver, days more, to allow them to continue getting money for and conducting this gain of function research with dangerous known pathogens.
And that 180 day waiver can continually be requested to extend.
Well, in comes pharmaceutical industry and biotech executive Sasha Latapova, and I might add a stalwart investigator since 2020 and probably before that in this COVID pandemic hoax who wrote a very interesting Substack article last week entitled Dogma or the Silver Lining of the Settled Science.
She has an incredible way of connecting the dots across many different types of evidence and Educating us to the fact that virology and genetic manipulation into scary gain-of-function pathogens could just be false theory, which is fascinating to me.
So I had to get her in here for this.
And Sasha, thank you for the first half of the show to kind of digest with me, from our perspective on this whole COVID mRNA thing, the presidential election from last night.
This is our other topic for tonight.
Thank you for inviting me and talking about this topic, which is very, very interesting to me.
Much more than presidential elections.
Right.
It's equally as important.
Yeah, so I can address both things.
So first of all, the dual-use research of concern, it's not a new concept.
It's been around for a while, and this policy has been around for a while.
They updated it in May, the Biden administration.
And this document is part of the window dressing.
It's part of the...
Sort of pretense of regulation or oversight of things that are prohibited by the Biological Weapons Convention, to which US has signed on in the 70s, late 60s, 70s, but never actually implemented anything or resisted any attempts at establishing international checking,
just like they do international inspections of nuclear So the US continuously resisted any attempts of inspecting these kinds of biological weapons research programs under various pretenses.
So this document is basically kind of a A CYA document saying, well, we do require oversight, so any academic institution has to follow this policy, and they have to report to us if they're working with these different classes of pathogens.
Now, on the surface, it seems like a good idea.
But in reality, what happens, as I said, this is a window dressing.
This is because U.S. historically has worked, had very extensive biological weapons programs since at least 1940s.
U.S. military was the largest researcher in that area for Dietrich and for Dietrich continues to be a bioweapons research lab continuously throughout since 1943.
It's the oldest bioweapons development lab in the world.
And so the U.S. wants to invest into this, but they can't quite do it because of the Bioweapons Convention prohibition.
So they've renamed all this into infectious disease research and then funded it with trillions of dollars since then in academia, largely, and also private companies to do these types of projects.
And then say, well, but we do provide oversight of this, and so we make sure that they work, you know, whoever's working on it, they're only working it for infectious disease and not for making bioweapons.
But these two things are, you know, they're, frankly, it's impossible to separate.
You know, many, many things are dual use.
You can have a gun for offense, defense, hunting.
Or committing crimes.
You can have cutlery for offense, defense, committing crimes, or just, you know, eating food.
So there, you know, you can't really disassociate the two.
So this policy overall, and I read this document, it's toothless.
It's actually all based on self-reporting and self-characterization of your project as gain-of-function or not.
So, as you can say, everybody in this area who's smart and wants to get grants, they'll just use different keywords in their grant applications.
Don't call it gain-of-function.
Call it, oh, we're making a vaccine.
And that's it.
You've satisfied the policy and you can apply for your grant.
So not only is the Department of Defense with BARDA, DARPA, EcoHealth, and hundreds of other examples still off and running with unlimited funds to do this.
You also have now academic universities are really, some of them are becoming, correct me if I'm wrong, level four biosafety labs.
Maybe it's off on the corner of the campus, but they're getting billions of dollars to conduct gain of research.
And maybe it's under some other thing because it's academic, right?
I mean, this is the bastardization of the public-private partnership.
People think it sounds so good.
I mean, how are we going to stop this?
Yeah, public-private partnerships are the worst mechanism.
It's actually fascism because you're merging things that the state, the government, and the private employer, and now the private employers, just like they did through this COVID scam, The government gives private employers money.
Let's say the government gives a university a huge research grant, you know, $400 million, a billion dollars, a research grant for doing this type of work.
And then they call a fake pandemic and they say, oh, well, you have to implement our recommended policy, our guidelines from CDC, because guess what?
That grant.
And that's how What is illegal for the government to do, they offload on the private sector and pretend it's private policy which we don't control.
So we are not violating your rights.
It's your employer, but guess what?
They can do it because they're a private entity and not the government.
So that's how private-public partnerships become essentially, by definition, a fascism.
Racketeering.
Racketeering.
And this is why I... I was angry with Trump and why I'm skeptical now that he's won.
Because you can say disingenuously, I didn't mandate it.
You had a choice.
I didn't mandate it.
Yeah, but you were shoving billions of dollars into industries and hospitals and private sector.
Hey, make sure your employees all take it.
Yes, exactly.
That's exactly the private sector during 2020, the lockdowns and throughout Trump administration, the private sector was being pumped with money and had to sign contracts.
I have some examples of these contracts which said By receiving this federal money directly from the Treasury.
So towns and local employers and so forth, schools, were getting money directly from the Treasury and had to sign contracts saying, we will implement whatever policy or recommendation now or in the future.
So a blank check.
Whatever you guys, just like mafia does, right?
Here's money.
Shut up and do what I say now.
From now on.
Now I own you.
That's exactly how it was done.
And it was all under Trump.
So yeah, there was no mandates under Trump.
But, you know, you don't need mandates.
They have this mechanism for doing this.
Right.
It was an indirect mandate.
You know, it was an indirect way to conduct that.
And I mean, when I think about how many times people said to me, but he didn't mandate it.
How can you be mad at him?
Such naive, you know, such lack of information to be able to say that when these employers didn't just do it for their health.
I mean, and the leadership of these employer situations, like the airline industries, those CEOs didn't take it, but they literally threatened pilots who had spent their lives training.
Now we have an infected group of pilots flying us around right now that, you know, could drop dead at any time, and many of them have.
So, Sasha, anything, you know, this document, obviously, thanks for debunking it for what it is.
It goes back to, like...
Obamacare.
They use these nice names, or they present it like it's one thing when it's really the opposite.
The Affordable Care Act was, yeah, but your deductible is $10,000, so essentially there is no insurance.
You're self-insuring.
Same principle to just calling it something different.
And who's providing oversight to these DOD programs?
I don't believe anybody's providing oversight for this.
And again, this document, as I said, this policy is toothless.
It just says, well, your grant can be denied because you didn't report or didn't monitor or something.
But it clearly says that the definition of...
They also divide research into two categories.
Sort of less risky and the other one with pandemic potential.
And there is no definition of what makes a pathogen with a pandemic potential in this policy because nobody knows.
And so the way that this is defined in the policy, it's just because a reasonable scientist, expert in this area, decides or says that it's pandemic potential than it is.
Okay, so it's just, you know, it's basically just to, as I said, cover their behinds and say we're regulating something.
Now, the problem with this, one problem, is that currently also there's a talk about, oh, we need to make it more regulatory.
We need to make a separate...
Rand Paul went on RFK Jr.'s podcast a few months ago.
And started propagandizing, oh, we need to set up an entire new federal agency.
So like 400 existing federal agencies is not enough.
Rand Paul needs another new federal regulatory agency to just regulate this dangerous gain-of-function research.
Now, I strongly disagree with that, because it's just going to be another potential for corruption.
He also was proposing to appoint Rick Bright, who is current director of BARDA, to be head of this agency.
So it's just another boondoggle to allocate more and more of our money To useless bureaucrats that then will preside over some sort of imaginary gain of function stuff, get paid a lot of money, do nothing, and just increase the amount of this stuff that's going on.
This is how congressional people, they're cockroaches.
This is how the 535 of them pull the wool over everybody's eyes.
Because instead of doing what's right, they can't stop taking lobby money.
So they say, look to the lobby, don't worry, I got it covered.
I'm going to start another agency over here.
And I'll get points for that.
You can be appointed to run it and you can have staff and budget and, you know, airplanes and whatever.
And go, you know, all the pharma lobbyists will come and kiss up to you.
And, you know, so that's all that's about.
It's not about making anything.
It's safer.
It's amazing to me how little the American public cares about conflict of interest.
That Rand Paul is holding tremendous amounts of pharmaceutical stock.
I don't know what you think of it, and I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I'm going to say what I've been saying for many, many months.
Someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene has multiple rounds of stock, not in a mutual fund, but in her fund.
It's a federal financial disclosure form that she signed for Gilead Sciences that, as you well know, manufacture remdesivir that's killing Americans every day.
There are countless examples, if you look through their federal financial disclosures, of people holding...
The conflict of interest is she's holding hearings, doing nothing, and making much money, a ton of money, on pharmaceutical stock and dividends.
In the very companies that she's holding hearings on injuries.
Somebody help me make sense of it.
Yeah.
And it's also all legal for them to do insider trading.
So what normal people would go to jail for, it's completely...
That's another important point.
But why don't you buy stock in aspirin?
Why do you have to buy stock in remdesivir and then hold hearings on people injured in hospitals and vaccines?
Yeah, it's disgusting what's going on.
And yeah, so these people, as I said, anybody proposing a new regulatory agency, just say no.
Now, what to do?
But I also published the article that you mentioned on science dogmas, so people also need to understand.
Yeah, let's go there because I want people to understand I lean, actually, people ask me all the time, are you pro-virus, negative?
Let me explain something.
I lean more into the Cowan-Bailey camp because no one's ever proven to me, no one's ever demonstrated the existence of natural wild viruses.
But what I am open to, Sasha, maybe you can sort this out because your article was fantastic.
Is that they can create this whole dastardly area of what's called synthetic biology, which is an oxymoron to me.
But they can create virus-like activity.
And can you help me?
Because I do believe they can create things that become the gain of function, but they're not souped up viruses from the wild.
Because I don't believe that exists.
So I hope that helps them.
Yeah, go ahead.
Take it away.
You're the expert.
Right, so it's a pretty massive topic.
People need to understand, so yes, there is this debate and controversy going on about viruses don't exist or viruses exist.
Now, one thing, you can't prove negative, so you can't prove that something doesn't exist.
What we're talking about, though, is...
You know, assigning its many, many layers further than that.
They're not just saying, you know, the traditional, conventional sources, not just claiming viruses exist.
They're claiming that viruses are causative agents of mass illness, such as pandemics, And then on top of that, they make the claim that vaccines prevent that.
So now we're many, many layers of claims beyond whether viruses exist or not.
And those claims that are provable by scientific method or not.
And so far, the scientific method has...
You know, clearly demonstrated that these other higher claim layers have never been demonstrated.
So those are the ones that I focus on much more.
And I'm saying, well, you regular person, because I get these questions all the time.
I say, you regular person, you can believe whatever you want.
You can believe in fairies and unicorns, and you can believe in viruses.
It's your personal opinion.
Now, what What needs to be proven is that they actually are causative agents of disease, of mass disease, mass illness, and that vaccines prevent that.
So let's focus on that.
And as far as, you know, claims of gain of function, so that's what becomes very interesting.
On top of the claims of, you know, viruses exist, that they're causing pandemics, now we have all this mythology from science, literature, and Hollywood and everywhere, Saying, well, evil scientists, we now have technology and now understand the science and biology so well that the evil scientists in the lab can do these gain-of-function experiments and either create completely new Novel virus agents that,
if they leak from a lab, will cause mass illness all over the world, such as what they're claiming with this Wuhan thing.
They're saying one source, Wuhan, working on gain of function, created this virus, opened the door, virus walked out, and infected the entire world.
So that's nonsense.
And so you could do that, or you can take an existing virus and modify it, I don't know, so like arms and legs on it, whatever, attach some pieces to it, and it will become the souped up gain of function monstrosity.
This is the Ralph Baric work, supposedly.
The Ralph Baric work.
And so both of these things are a bunk, because this doesn't happen.
There's no technology today, and the science doesn't understand biology well enough to make this happen.
And this is what I explain in my article, but they won't tell you that, because they're all trained to talk with conviction and be an expert.
Somebody hammered These false theories into their head for a very, very long time.
And then they all walk around being experts and saying, yes, of course, you can modify viruses.
Well, so what my article focused on is actually looking at the fundamental scientific claims that are being made To support these theories, such as that nucleic sequences or genetic nucleic sequences can be made into viruses artificially or existing viruses can be modified with the novel or some nature-derived nucleic sequences
to make them worse.
Now, the problem is that we also found, Catherine and I found, a book published by U.S. National Academies of Science.
So this is like the deep state or the scientific deep state.
In one situation, they make one claim.
In another situation, they make the opposite claim.
So this was a book report published by National Academies of Science.
Co-author was Ralph Barrett, but there were a dozen high prestigious co-authors from science, physics, biology, engineering.
All sorts of areas.
They wrote this large book in 2010 saying, definitively, there is no way today to make new viruses.
We do not have the scientific toolkit to make new viruses.
And the reasons that they cited were We do not understand genetics.
Genes do not predict how a virus will behave.
And put it this way, virus is considered the smallest particle of life, although sometimes they also claim that it's not quite life.
But it's the smallest biological particle that they can figure out.
So it's like very few genes, relatively small nucleic.
How do they know the size limitation if no one's ever demonstrated one in the wild from an ill individual?
Well, so what they do is they do their whatever they call the virus particle.
Oh, the bullshit sequence?
The sequence.
So they'll take a snot sample from a mouse, I don't know.
Who knows where it's from?
Yeah, and then throw it into a vat of chemicals and then have like 50 different steps and cook it.
And then they call whatever the cells, usually cells dying produce all sorts of particles that then they call viruses.
In fact, I recently spoke with Jamie Andrews.
I don't know if you've spoken with him.
He is actually falsifying this theory and he's shown that just from the commercial cell lines, if you buy them from the commercial cell line providers, he can grow any virus you want.
They're not supposed to be infected.
They're supposed to be sterile.
So he can produce any virus you want and show you under a microscope just using commercial cell lines because when the cells starve and fall apart, they have these viruses.
They have these sequences.
I see.
And can it make people sick?
It's a very interesting question.
Can it make people sick?
In general, these byproducts of cell collapse, they can be toxic in concentrated, pure, large volume.
It's a question.
So what the narrative of mythology wants you to believe is that from just minor casual contact with somebody, some aerosol droplet flying around, you can get infected and have this deadly disease.
That's total nonsense.
So that does not happen.
So while somebody can, you know, somebody may have symptoms of some sort of respiratory inflammation, sneeze, And their body is detoxing, the cells are dying, that are being processed by the body.
They sneeze, they fly out.
There may be some matter in that snot, that's product of cell collapse.
After all these processes, you can see it on the microscope?
Maybe, maybe not.
But if you develop these signals, if you figure out these signals that the body sends out when it wants to get rid of them, you've figured out some kind of a sequence of these things and you've been able to synthesize it in large volumes.
If that happens, and if you expose somebody to a large enough volume of it, it's possible that a person can, or especially a vulnerable person, can get sick from this.
But that requires concentrated effort, right?
And also, it's very hard to infect people By the inhalation or ingestion or skin contact.
It's very hard because we have so many defenses in our bodies that reject non-self biology, non-self biological matter.
So if you inhaled something, Your area of exposure is very small, it's just here, nose and mouth.
And there's mucosal defenses, there's numerous layers of mucosal defenses.
By the time anything gets to your bloodstream, if at all, probably won't get to your bloodstream.
But by the time something gets there, it's very small, it's been denatured and it's been kind of weakened by your own system.
That's why, while all these biological weapons activities have been going on for quite some time, they've never been able to create something that self-spreads.
They can't even demonstrate spreading between animals in the cage.
Okay, quick question.
Based on all that, take me one step further.
What do you attribute when you see what appears to be seasonal, and I could be opening up another door, seasonal colds or flus that run through geographic regions or whatever, but seasonal come and go?
Are people producing a lot of this, you know, their bodies getting rid of toxic stuff so those around them kind of get affected by the toxic shedding?
Am I close?
Yeah, there's something to it.
I can't say that I've figured it all out.
I see a lot of evidence that, first of all, the seasonal respiratory illness didn't exist until they started mass vaccinating in the first place.
So it is associated with people's immune system being You know, attacked their injections, because as I said, by inhalation, it's hard to get somebody infected.
Now, seasonal, now, if you are not vaccinated, but a bunch of people around you are, or somebody, you know, starts having respiratory illness around you, usually it's seasonal, and there's a very, very good data showing how it's correlated with sunlight.
So yes, the lack of sunlight in the winter in the northern hemisphere is almost perfect correlation with the seasonality of these respiratory illnesses normally.
So there is something to it.
We have less vitamin D in our bodies.
And at the same time, especially with these mass vaccination campaigns, people start shedding.
These byproducts.
And there are mechanisms by which we coordinate in close proximity.
Like, you know, for example, if there's a very well-known phenomenon, who nobody can explain, by the way, in biology, of women living in the same household will synchronize the period.
Yeah, and there could be a lot of different reasons for that, but And what you've laid out is it makes it really important for us to shut down mRNA production.
And you're telling me all this, and I'm relating to it, and how there's a reason they wanted people to take over and over and over again.
And we're going to saturate the world so deeply with this poison that there's going to be no place to go.
But how are the criminals...
How are the people making millions of dollars owning mRNA factories in Africa and Europe and Canada?
How are they going to protect themselves?
Is there something we don't know?
Yeah, I don't know.
And that's why, you know, I've seen a lot of people who are...
You can't say that they actually understand what they're doing.
I think they are so focused on making money and grabbing power that they are willing to destroy their children.
And we have a lot of examples of that in the history.
They will inject their own children with this nonsense because they're just so, I don't know, they're devoid of thinking about it.
Also based on what you just said, it's impossible really to have a real pandemic from natural wild, and it's impossible that there was a Wuhan lab leak of a dangerous, scary virus that got out.
So anybody perpetrating, I'm not going to name names now, but unless you want to, anybody, there are Frontline people out there that are still pushing pandemic, that there was or there current is, and that the Wuhan lab leak, and I would be very wary of those people.
Before you go, and by the way, I want people to, your substack, which is where you really live, where your brain, your great work lives, is due diligence and art.
Did I get it right?
Yes.
It's on the screen, right?
And it's on the substack with a link to click on.
But due diligence in art, right, Sasha?
Yes.
Okay.
But before you go, and then anything else you want to talk about, because people love it when you come on.
There's so much that we learn.
I wanted to ask you your thoughts, because on H5, N1, H9, you know, N12... It looks like they may be, you know, these things gear up, then they quiet, then they gear up.
What are your, is it going to be the next one?
What is it?
Is it another, obviously it's contrived.
They're trying to diagnose PCR. Yeah.
All of this is contrived.
As I said, you know, you can argue what constitutes these sort of, you know, viral particles, but one thing for sure, they cannot cause a pandemic.
And pandemics have never existed in nature.
You know, so I also wrote quite extensively both explaining how the historic epidemics of, let's say, smallpox and cholera and plague, Are likely attributable to the effect of anaphylaxis by insects and animal bites in the unsanitary conditions.
And also recently, me and other colleagues wrote about the Spanish flu hoax.
That was definitely a hoax.
It was, again, largely very similar to what they've done with COVID, which is very interesting.
I think the playbook existed for a long time.
So they, at the time, they injected soldiers, millions of soldiers with just horrific vaccines, including smallpox and meningitis and some other, you know, there were several new ones at the time, and then sent them into the battlefield.
And, you know, there are numerous articles saying, well, how the Spanish flu is so terrible, and somehow it's very terrible for young men specifically, you know, so it's such a clever virus, the Spanish flu virus.
Right, right, right.
Really interesting.
So any historical pandemic, you know, we can debunk very easily.
They don't exist.
And yes, and this whole Wuhan, the virus was leaked from Wuhan.
It's a nonsense story.
Yes, there were funds given to Wuhan, but nothing leaked from there.
Right, right.
But there are still a lot of prominent people promoting that.
And part of that came out in Dr.
Malik's interview with Malone, Dr.
Robert Malone.
And they had this argument.
Later on, Malik seemed to like kind of back off and be afraid and apologize.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But, you know, there was this big argument and, you know, where Malone insisted this was a pandemic.
But he also insists that he's a virologist and that viruses exist.
Right.
So, you know.
Yeah.
So it's Robert Malone, who is aiming now at the post in the Trump administration organization.
Terrible.
Terrible.
Yeah, so he has been always on this bandwagon of pandemics are real.
Pandemics are totally real, and this was so real.
And we need to be prepared for pandemics.
Why?
Because this is the racketeering enterprise that he wants to be part of and continue because it was so great for them.
They made so much money from public fear, from lying, from killing people with their products and continuing to do so.
I don't want to individually focus on one person, but there are a number of people like Malone, I could name 10 of them, that are out there in the public, still getting accolades and being respected, who claim that they took this material.
Do you believe that?
That some or all of them, like, I don't want to pin you down, but do you believe anybody who had any general understanding of this and the lack of research in it and safety really would have taken it?
You know, at this point, I've been surprised so many times.
So, as a general rule, I believe anybody when they say I took the injection.
Especially if they took it.
If they legitimately took it, why would they not be with you and me today saying, it's a biological weapon.
It's dangerous.
It hasn't been studied enough.
They don't know where it goes.
They don't know how to turn it off.
It's modified.
It's a synthetic genetic coding that's dangerous.
And what Kevin McKernan found in the mapping with Dr.
Murakami.
I mean, why wouldn't they be on that side of it?
Yet they don't say bioweapon.
They don't say it's bad.
Yeah, I think a lot of people, I'm not talking about anybody specifically, but people who are scientists, and actually I know some well-intentioned scientists who took the shot, who Who are much more qualified than Robert Malone, by far, in this area.
Took the shot, was ill, also understands Kevin McKernan's research and everybody else's research and what we found in terms of contamination and all that.
And they still Believe it was a good idea.
And that blows my mind.
So I'm not even worried about Robert Marlon.
I'm worried about what happens with people like that.
Why can't they face the truth?
Why can't they acknowledge it?
I think it's a very, very hard thing to acknowledge because then you have to realize that, like I did, that you've poisoned your children.
And that you've poisoned yourself, okay, but you also poisoned your children.
Your future children?
You mean if you're of childbearing age?
Well, you know, because my children got injured by traditional vaccines.
And my daughter badly injured by traditional vaccines.
And I didn't know until I started in 2020 looking into this.
And then I realized, well, that's what happened.
And it's on me, yes.
I was lied to, and I believed.
Right.
You didn't know at the time and then say, hey, here's my kid, give him the shot.
That's a different thing to face.
I thought the pediatrician was so nice and so caring and so wonderful.
And it turns out they were evil and poisoning my children.
For money.
It's on me.
It's still on me.
I didn't see that, right?
So I think that's the fundamental problem why most people, well-intentioned, good people who do this and they still can't see the truth is because of this.
It's because once you realize it, this is a really, really hard pill to swallow.
Yeah, I bet it is.
Even just basically if you had taken it, any of us who have not taken the shot, I've imagined what it would feel like to take it, be all gung-ho and say, I'm doing the right thing, I'm protecting grandma, and then to find the information.
Later and go, my God, what did I do?
Because I can't get this out of me.
It's not like swallowing something and then it comes out the other end.
Yeah, they realize it's a permanent damage.
It's life threatening.
It can kill you.
It can cause cancer.
They realize all these things and the protective mechanism kicks in to just deny and just hope for the best.
And, you know, say those things to yourself.
Mostly they're lying to themselves.
Right, right.
And that's what's unfortunate and that's what people need to overcome.
Yeah, for sure.
Sasha, are there any, while we have you, and we could always split this into another segment, but I mean, is there anything else you wanted to share, anything that's upcoming, you're working on, especially in terms of...
You know, our vulnerability, like you said earlier, the PREP Act is still in play, CARES Act, you know, we're under a pandemic or sort of a public health emergency of international concern for a bunch of things, monkeypox and this one and that one.
So anything that you wanted to get out?
Do you want to direct people?
I want people to go to your substack.
You know, this is not paid work that any of us does.
And you have memberships where people can support the work you're doing, so you'll keep doing it.
I mean, you do it because you have a love of humanity.
But it does help when you can...
Yes, and it's a lot of work.
I work more than full-time job now.
Also because I want to make art, that's what I really prefer to do.
And people like my Substack because I put art there and sometimes they say, well, I go to look at the art first.
I'm like, okay.
And so they want it and I want it because that's what I enjoy doing.
So my content is all articles come out for free and then they become archived and archived is available to paid subscribers.
Of course, I appreciate paid subscribers because this helps me do my work and research.
I have been writing, so I haven't covered a lot about the genetic science yet, but it's pretty much as fake as the virology.
And so I'm going to write more articles.
I've written one on the science dogma, which I personally think is a very good article, and I advise people to go look at it.
Yeah, I read it.
It was excellent.
Yeah.
Yeah, that will alleviate a lot of your concerns with all this gain-of-function nonsense narrative.
And then I'm writing several subsequent articles examining Ralph Baric's work and explaining, you know, the scientific concepts which are very complicated in a more simple way so that you can understand and, you know, anybody can understand.
Yeah.
It's great work.
Really great work.
And it's one of the few places I can go to to get legitimate evidence, information, balanced.
Speaking of balance, I mean, I think you putting the art together with the, you know, you're dissecting the truth from the propaganda in the science.
The art balances it out.
There's like something wonderful there.
You know, to balance out all the evil.
You know, we blackpill people every day with this stuff, but it gives them a little, you know, look at some beautiful art and then I'll get the truth in that.
You really do the truth in science, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, I try to.
It's fascinating.
I love science myself.
I mean, that's why I went into the R&D field, because I loved it.
I also see now how much has been manipulated, weaponized.
There's so much fraud in it.
And so that became kind of an area of focus for me.
Well, let's just on this day, you know, after the 2024 presidential election, let's just hope that, I've always told people hope is not a plan, but I know everybody's going to be watching more carefully, and I don't know what's going to happen.
I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic.
We will be talking about it, and we know what to look for in terms of the proper...
I mean, the military alone.
The military.
We've lost good people forever.
But there's a lot.
There's a lot that needs to be fixed and cleaned up.
So, I don't know if you've...
Well, we'll remain optimistic, but watchful.
For sure, for sure.
Keep these people under microscope going forward.
Well, if any false flags happen, any new, you know, scary pandemics or lockdowns get discussed, we'll have you back in and, you know, make sure people understand not to be afraid and that this is more theater, because that's dangerous.
There are already people running around in masks again, I understand.
Yeah, yes.
I think in the Bay Area, in California, there are, again, mask mandates, although in hospitals and, you know.
Crazy, crazy, especially outside or in their car, but whatever.
Sasha, thanks again for being with me.
I really appreciate it and learn, as I said earlier, so much every time you come on the show.
Thank you, Jane.
Thank you very much.
You bet.
You bet.
It's due diligence and art on Substack.
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