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Aug. 16, 2024 - Jim Fetzer
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The Holocaust: Myth & Reality - Dr. Nick Kollerstrom
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I'm a writer, I sort of like telling narratives and stories, and what seemed to be the most decisive event in my life had just happened in April 2008.
I got suddenly thrown out of my college, and suddenly all the media and blogs were damning me.
I always thought I was one of the good guys, suddenly I'd become the most heavily vilified person in England.
And as Annie Matchon helpfully said to me at the 9-11 Truth Group, most heavily vilified for some time, probably since David Irving.
So it took me a year or two of quietly trying to mull over things.
What had happened to me, you know, I basically posted evidence about the as a science historian, chemical residues of cyanide in the
walls of the German labour camps Birkenau Auschwitz, which I found a fascinating problem. I
mean I've got two degrees in history history of science and that's just why I took the degrees
to look at that kind of historical reconstruction based on material physical evidence of how
and where Zyklon was used in World War II.
I still think it's a very fascinating question, and I think it's marvellous that simple chemical investigations can resolve so much, okay?
Now, when everybody was... well, it seemed that everybody was cackling at me, Nazi, Nazi!
Oh, we found a Nazi!
Goodness gracious, this fellow I've known all these years, I never thought he was a Nazi!
And, oh, my friends couldn't speak to me anymore!
I noticed that nobody was talking about what I'd actually done, which was, you know, evaluate basically two different chemical investigations, Fred Leuchter, Germa Rudolph, and sort of integrate them, synthesize them, compare them.
Nobody seemed to want to talk about that at all.
So I realized what was happening was more like, I gradually felt, more like a religion, some terrific deep religious belief that I didn't share.
You know, my fellow countrymen had this tremendous deep feeling, oh no, he's terrible, he doesn't believe in the Holocaust.
Oh no, he's far right!
And I had to try and figure out what far right meant.
Oh it's so terrible.
Is he an antisemite?
An antisemite is one of those things that must have been like when you were accused of being a witch in centuries gone by.
There was basically nothing you could say about it.
You can't defend yourself, you know.
And that state of bewilderment was kind of What got me realizing, in a sense, there was nothing else I could do except write the book.
I wasn't allowed, no English publisher would touch anything I wrote.
I wasn't allowed to give talks anymore.
I couldn't belong to any society.
I was totally unemployable.
In a way, there was nothing else I could do other than write that book.
And I met some, gradually, years went by, I met some fellow revisionists, which is a kind of very unusual thing.
Normally, being a revisionist is a very, very solo experience.
And people say, look, if you have these weird beliefs, for God's sake, keep quiet about them.
Well, a bunch of us revisionists met up, and a bunch of us started a website, a very nice factual website, whatreallyhappened.info, and we started analysing data.
It was the British intelligence decrypts kept in the National Archive, which intercepted what had been happening in World War II labour camps over 13 whole months, 1942-43, put them up on a website, And generated a bit of interest.
And that was basically enough for me to write this book.
So, we know what it's like now to be a heretic.
Absolutely.
God, it's like having it branded on your forehead.
HD, you know.
Going to my local pub, or even my gym, and people say, oh no, it's him.
You know.
And so, a heretic doesn't actually get burnt at the stake, like they did in medieval times.
But heresy is alive and well, and there is only one religion that really, really matters to people, which creates heresy, and that is the Holocaustian religion.
Make no mistake.
I would say that the heresy that I'm accused of is absolutely normal scientific reasoning.
If you believe that a can of Zyklon, insecticide called Zyklon, was used as per the instructions on the can, for normal hygiene delousing technology then you are a holocaust
denier okay. A holocaust denier is someone who believes that the insecticide was used as
per the directions on the can, that normal hygiene technology works in ordinary normal
manner, that the tons of Zyklon were because typhus has broken out in the German labor camps and
it was delousing chambers used the Zyklon and it worked very well.
It did kill the bugs, it brought the typhus epidemic under control, it worked.
I was being damned by Jews, you know, Aronowitz in the Jewish Chronicle and Cohen in the Observer the same week, you know.
And more recently, might amuse you, there's a very prestigious American history of science journal called Isis, and I'd published some posh essays, well it was a biographical essay on the activity of astronomers, and when that was reviewed, big two-volume work, this Jew, Swerdlow, a historian of astronomy, said, oh this book needs to be pulped, needs to be collected and pulped.
Because of the ethically incorrect view of one of the contributors.
And it didn't, but it's just amazing that in what's supposed to be history of science, that kind of call for stamping out of heresy can be made.
And I could add that the original Wikipedia, there's a truly hellish account of my life appeared in Wikipedia, and looking through The contributors, they just were all Jewish, you know?
And I said, well, I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but how come the contributors are all Jewish?
It's a horrific account of what my life's been about.
So I did.
I mean, I've always enjoyed living in Jewish parts of London.
I'm in Muslim part now, I don't like it at all, but I love living in, you know, Bathurst Park, Hampstead and around there, Jewish parts of town, and I've always valued having Jewish friends, great esteem for their, you know, way of life and stuff.
That's interesting, have you got any, I mean, have any Jewish friends commented on the Well, I don't have the courage to bring it up, I must say, I would quite like to, and quite possibly that they'd like to, but just the cultural thing, I don't have the nerve to bring it up, no.
In fact, I don't generally bring it up, I leave it to people to raise the subject if they want to, yeah.
So, in part one of the book is headed, The History That Never Happened, the first part is reason unhinged.
Yeah.
We've looked at how things are, you know, the so-called history, we take that as, you know, maybe the voice of reason and we expect to find reason there, but it seems to me that your story and what you've uncovered flies in the face of what we would call reason.
Is that what that part of this book is about?
Well, what I found was that normal reason appeared not to be relevant.
It was like some transcendental mythos that, oh, you know, the gas chambers.
And because there's absolutely no physical, material, documentary evidence for the existence of these gas chambers, they have this transcendent meaning of, oh, you know, all the Jews going in, and it's totally not physically possible.
So there are no realistic images of them anywhere.
There's no historical I mean, none of it makes any rational sense.
It's all hallucination, collective hallucination.
World War II, never existed after, only allegedly in Poland.
I mean none of it makes any rational sense. It's all hallucination,
collective hallucination, and in a way what puzzled me was what you do
is if rational logic isn't relevant here, then how do you talk
about it?
Do you just go along with the hushed tones of reverence?
You observe, I observe my fellow countrymen love the guilt, the never-ending river of guilt that they get out of this.
Oh no, what we did to God's chosen people, you know?
And it's a terrific source of nihilism and despair for our modern world.
Six million Jews were murdered for no reason.
by the wicked Nazis and does that nullify any concept of divine providence or optimistic
meaning for human evolution, you know?
It gives you this hellish anti-religion, this nightmare vision that everybody has to share
and I don't expect gratitude for pointing out that it never happened.
Well I've never heard it being described as a spell, you know the title of the book.
Yeah.
The spell being broken.
I'm looking at the poem now.
And the last line is, let the spell be broken.
Right.
Have we been under a spell then?
Yeah, yeah.
Nuremberg, a spell was cast.
Millions of Jews gassed, and not a single gassed body was ever produced.
No attempt remotely made to count six million dead anywhere.
We know that if cyanide gassed a body, it will be bright pink, because that's how bodies end up when they're gassed with cyanide.
Nobody ever described a pink body in any German labour camp.
If cyanide gas had been used in the human gas chambers, the walls would generally speaking be blue, because ferrocyanide does go blue in walls if you use cyanide.
None of that matches objective reality at all.
So, how is the belief cast?
It's like some sort of spells are woven.
It's as if people are under a spell and they don't ever want to be told about it.
They don't want to talk about it except to feel the guilt and to agree on paying more and more money to Israel for the never-ending guilt that they feel.
And I'm just puzzled by this.
And I feel, actually, I feel that in recent years the spell is being broken.
You see, when I was thrown out of my college in 2008, all the websites absolutely damned me.
It was just so horrendous.
Oh God, to think that...
A Nazi creature like this was let into a university, and it was so awful.
Whereas now, anything you look on the web about the Holocaust, go straight to the comments, that's the important bit, and you'll see angry scepticism nearly all the time.
People are fed up with it, they have had enough, the spell is being broken.
More and more people are angry.
So we see the comments section for this story as either being closed down, or there simply isn't one there.
Hmm, yeah, yeah.
And it's like, there's moves now.
Can they stop Google from publishing, sorry, Amazon from publishing revisionist books?
That's one issue that they're trying now to do, okay?
I'm not sure if they'll succeed, but because there's more and more... I think there is a demand for these books.
Well, when you look on Amazon at your book, there are plenty of other books there for sale on Amazon that are similar or deal with similar... Good point, yeah.
If you look at legislation around the whole of Europe, It's a terrible, the whole of Central Europe, you know, it's a crime to doubt the Holocaust.
And people are being put in jail, and books are being burnt, OK?
Books are being collected, burnt, people are jailed for believing the wrong thing.
And, er, in general, the one thing you're not allowed to doubt is the Holocaust.
I mean, there's a slight thing in France about, is it Armenian Genocide?
Er, Turkey.
Albigensian, that one.
No, no, no.
France and Turkey have legislation about an Armenian genocide, and the legislations are opposite.
One of them it's a crime to doubt, the other it's a crime to believe it.
It's slightly humorous, you know.
But right across Europe, and recently Russia has passed a law banning doubt, which is very shocking indeed.
You wouldn't have thought Putin would do a thing like that.
Why do you think he's done that?
I haven't a clue.
How come it's not in America though?
It isn't, no.
It's not in America and it's not in Britain.
That is very, very significant.
We are defending, you know, sticking up for freedom of thought.
Obviously there are, there's an immense holocaust industry in this country.
Holocaust education, trust, it's the most heavily taught thing in British schools.
And I would say it's not so much education, it's more trauma-based mind control.
And indoctrination.
Yeah, it's total indoctrination.
There is no opportunity for developing an alternative narrative.
There's no pluralistic discourse in Holocaust education in British schools today.
Yeah, it's just not allowed.
So people need to develop a bit of backbone and say, look, I'm not going to be pushed around like this.
The Bletchley Park decrypt, I mean, what is that?
Well, it's the most reliable authoritative source you could possibly have, because Britain was overhearing the German radio messages when the Germans didn't know they were being intercepted, and the Enigma codebreakers got these messages, and after 50 years they've finally been released in the National Archives, in the mid-nineties they were put out, and they're not of any interest to Historians, hundreds and hundreds of books published about the Holocaust, takes no interest in these decrypts for the obvious reason that they show no sign of any Holocaust going on, okay?
They show different ethnic groups being moved around, different labor camps, for example, Jews coming to Auschwitz and Jews leaving Auschwitz.
The four main categories, Poles, Russians, Jews, German political prisoners.
They group the inmates and they show the great endeavour to get useful industrial work out of the inmates.
They discuss the different kinds of work they're trying to do and what resources they need, ordering stuff so it can be done, and then they describe the shattering impact of typhus epidemic breaking out, especially at Auschwitz in the middle of 1942, and the struggle to be able to cope with it and get it under control.
and the sense of horror as the whole of Auschwitz camp was quarantined as as the epidemics took their toll and the horror of that by the way the horror of that event was the source of the of the holocaust mythos that the story of the holocaust was born in that time mid-42 at Auschwitz where so many people were dying from the epidemic that the uh the false hallucinatory narrative of intentional extermination ...was brewed up, okay?
But the decrypts show that the only thing people were... basically, they were killed if they tried to escape.
Guards would shoot anyone trying to escape.
But otherwise, you know, there are rules for treating inmates properly.
And the SS guards had to treat them properly.
And could be court-martialed if they didn't.
An inmate could put in a complaint if they weren't treated properly.
We're actually documented evidence of the camp officers being prosecuted or I don't know about court-martialed for mistreating inmates.
That came to light in something, that may be in the book, But I came across that on another site to do with researching this book, you know, with yourself.
Have you put that in the book?
I might have done.
I did try to get data on it, on Hoss.
You see, the real Hoss, before he was tortured, the real Rudolf Hoss.
Don't confuse him with Hess.
Hoss, the director, the commandant of the Auschwitz camp.
He had rules for proper treatment of the inmates.
Obviously, all the world knows, the British people, to their eternal undying shame, believe the confession which he came out with under torture.
He was tortured for three days and three nights by a British Army hit team, and after that he came out and read out at Nuremberg a document about how he killed two million people and whatever, and big gas chambers and everything, and so on.
Well we've seen that again recently haven't we?
read that out and so he was broken he was just really broken again recently
haven't we in in the last couple of weeks about a week ago the the German SS
officer who's been dragged out he's 90-something yeah and he's saying yet
the wordies gas chambers and it's it's an echo it's a modern-day echo of the
the Rudolph Ross right I don't know if you've been aware of that, it's been on the news.
He's actually on trial at the moment.
Yeah, he's on trial at the moment, yeah.
I have a bit, not in great detail, but I believe he never said anything like that before this trial.
Exactly, so, you know, but it has, you can see where there's been some kind of, although he's an elderly man, there's been some kind of coercion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
To persuade him to change his story.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Yeah, I mean, I was totally ridiculed for saying that, saying there was a swimming pool at Auschwitz.
They said, oh god, I just made a passing comment, the swimming pool being elegant.
I'm thinking, oh God, can you believe it?
He thinks there's a swimming pool at Auschwitz!
Oh, he thinks the inmates swam in a swimming pool!
And this got on, actually, the front lead story of the Jewish Chronicle, how he says there's an elegant swimming pool at Auschwitz.
You know, I mean, I didn't make it up, it's just there, it happens to be there, you can see it on Google Earth, see the swimming pool, and the inmates did build that swimming pool in 1944, I think, and it's been reconstructed now, so anyone can see it.
The Jews declared war on Germany and under the Hague Convention, is it, that a nation has a right to intern immigrants, shall we say, Non-nationals.
Aliens, yeah.
It was an economic war.
That's interesting, yeah.
That's what the Germans did.
Yeah, that's interesting.
It was economic warfare, but it was a terrifically shattering impact right through the 1930s.
It's what we, the Allies, and everyone else did as well, with the Italians and the Yeah, well, America put the Japanese into labour camps after Pearl Harbour, and I feel that's rather analogous, I think it was 1938, Germany started putting Jews into labour camps, into concentration camps.
So what would they do, and that was any different?
Well, exactly.
These were, not only had they declared a shattering economic war, and Germany needed imports to survive because it couldn't feed itself, let's remember that, so they were trying to strangle Germany economically, but right through the 1930s Jewish groups were also declaring that they weren't going to start a war.
Get a world war against Germany which would shatter and destroy Germany physically and spiritually.
That is what they said.
And then when the war began, they said this is our war.
They took responsibility.
They said we have started this war.
I give quite a few quotes about that.
So right through the 30s, They were declaring war on Germany, announcing they were going to start a real war against Germany, and then claiming credit for having started it when it began.
And under these circumstances, I really don't think Germans should feel guilty about putting Jews into labour camps, and still less should they feel guilty about doing what every other nation in Europe has done at one point, or another of deciding to expel the Jews.
That with the end Lausanne de Judenfraag, that means that the goal solution of the Jewish question
was a decision to expel Jews, okay?
And it's been deliberately and fraudulently misrepresented as a program to exterminate Jews,
but it quite simply wasn't.
So could that also explain why Edward Longshamps isn't really studied in English history?
Why, what did I do?
He expelled the Jews, didn't he?
Oh, Edward, Edward, right, Edward I, Edward I, yeah.
Er, Longchamps.
In 1293.
Yeah, I think, er, I'm not sure when it was.
1293, yeah, he did for expulsion of Jews.
Yeah.
Um... He's kind of, kind of, er, brushed out.
Is he?
Yeah.
Oh, that's funny.
Cos I looked at a TV show the other day, there was a documentary, a BBC documentary, and when it come to him, all's it said was, er, that's the only thing they really mentioned about him.
Yeah.
And the shortness of his rule.
No death at all or anything, you know?
Well, there was a sequence.
It started, I think, European... Rome 50 AD, expelled the Jews.
Alexandria 300 AD, the tolerant multicultural city of Alexandria, expelled the Jews.
And shortly after Britain expelled the Jews, France did.
And then Spain did.
I mean, every country has expelled.
It's like the sting of the scorpion.
You think, oh great, we're going to be nice to Jews, we're tolerant.
And then some kind of sting of the scorpion happens, which we're not allowed to talk about, and then the decision is made to expel Jews.
And Germany had a A solution which I can't help liking, actually.
The island of Madagascar.
It was a paradise virgin island, right?
Very few people on it.
And I think it was owned by the French.
They got permission.
I think they got permission to put Jews in Madagascar.
Anyway, wherever they wanted to send the Jews, British forces stopped them, basically.
And that had a great impact on the labor camps in Poland.
Initially there was a concept of transit, of Jews being sent eastwards.
And then that kind of came to an end.
Some Jews could be sent to the Holy Land, to Israel, but basically a whole lot of Jews couldn't be moved on anymore, and you've got the idea of big labour camps, especially developing around 1942 onwards, of getting useful work out of these various different ethnic groups in the labour camps.
Well, in 2013, the International Red Cross database on German concentration camps Did that reveal anything?
Well, the so-called Arison Archive, for half a century, the Red Cross developed this tremendous archive of all data.
Anyone who wanted compensation for being a Holocaust survivor, their data went to the Arison Archive.
So what the Red Cross set up after the war grew and grew and grew for half a century.
So it was the massive database.
And there were three occasions in the 20th century when they came out with what we all want to hear, namely the totals.
How many people died in German labour camps?
And in 1990s their total was 290 odd thousand.
Okay?
In all about 15 different labour camps Auschwitz about 70,000 people died.
Of those about 40% the Jews about 40,000 die in Auschwitz.
Okay, that is the International Red Cross Database.
Now, to answer your question, what they've done now that they've released the data, I mean you can go to Russell Square Library there and you can have a look at the data, but it won't give you any totals.
You can go to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, look at the data there, it won't give you, I don't think it will give you any totals.
They've made what they release So that you can consult individual people, but the one thing we all really want to access to, namely total numbers, you can't get.
It's very, very shameful.
Even, I just tried to get the lady in charge of the database there, this Winer Library, it's supposed to be the world's biggest Holocaust library, she let me search this Arson Archive thing, and She agreed we couldn't get any titles.
I said, OK, well, can we just try to get the tattoo number on the arm, Auschwitz?
Can we get a count or data on that?
Where it begins and where it ends?
But the Germans are supposed to be very efficient, weren't they?
Exactly, yeah.
Very efficient German bureaucracy.
No, we couldn't even get that.
You can't even count the tattoo numbers of people coming into Auschwitz.
So, as far as I can tell, they have made that priceless database kind of useless, in the sense that you can't get totals out of it.
When were the exterminations, unquote, when were they started and when were they finished?
Was it like two and a half year period, was it?
Well we've already seen how in the middle of 1942 at Auschwitz, when the big typhus story broke out, that is when tons and tons of Zyklon started being delivered to the camps, right?
And that is when The little de-lousing chambers, that's normal hygiene technology, 10 cubic feet in volume, those started to be constructed, broadly speaking.
And also a load of cremation ovens, individual crematoria, started to be built because, and there would have been some there anyway, but a large number of those had to be built because you couldn't bury people in Auschwitz.
The ground was too damp, it wrecked the water supply.
You had to burn all the bodies, which is very macabre and, you know, it's like a horror story script.
um i think that kind of helped with the nightmare story right you had to burn all the bodies yeah and next to where you burnt the bodies you had another one which was the morgue where all the stiffs were piled up so so once typhus epidemic hit the camps that that all pros got that all had to be constructed and built Now, around that, if you imagine people in delirium, and one of the symptoms of typhus is delirium, you'd have gas chambers, burning of bodies, and it could all merge into a nightmare horror story, you know?
And so that is when, really, 1942, the story began.
I would say there were, I think there were one or two stories in 1941, but broadly speaking, you know, the Germans are gassing people, It started in 42, and then it went up to, I don't know, 45 or so.
They sent the pathologist Charles Larson, American Army pathologist, over to Dachau, and the camps at the end of the war, to check out what all the piles of stiffs were dead from, and he refused to say any were due to gassing.
He said they're due to famine and typhus, the epidemics that have killed people, and that's it.
That's what he said.
He wouldn't budge, okay?
Nobody's ever shown a single gassed body.
Nobody's ever demonstrated a single person can be named has ever been guessed. Okay, there are a
thousand pound reward if anyone thinks they can do that, okay, most people have given rewards. But let
me answer your question about the numbers.
The simple physical material evidence comes from the rather boring fact that the cremation ovens
use coke. Yeah. And at Auschwitz there's a certain amount of coke, five or six hundred tons I think,
that were used over a two-year period.
Yeah.
And it's a fairly straightforward fact how much coke you need to consume a human body in a single furnace.
That's right.
Okay?
And if you get all five burning, they all hot up more, they get hot rather than burning, and you can do a body in about an hour.
Yeah.
And you think, how many furnaces there are?
How many were working?
Not all were working.
And the answer you get...
Is that the number you can put through there is about equal to the maximum number of dying of typhus.
In Auschwitz that was about 200 a day at the maximum, okay?
And that's what you can do as a maximum.
And that's without breakages or... Yeah, without breakages, which there would be.
They would break down after a bit and have to be mended.
And maintenance and all that.
But basically, the total number you could put through is not a lot greater than the number you have dying from typhus anyway.
So in the big Holocaust textbooks, you get totally fantastic calculations here, trying to make out that you can have a whole lot of Jews come in.
Fantasies!
Fantasies about a whole lot of Jews coming to the camps who are not registered, OK?
Because we've got, with the British Intelligence Daily, we've got the number counted of people coming to the camps each day.
Let me stress that.
And that is compatible with what the Arolsen Archive data has.
The fantasy of a whole lot of Jews coming in, not registered, not given a tattoo number, and gassed on arrival.
That is the fantasy.
And then gassed and burnt, and then their ashes are thrown away.
So, the exterminationist view has this image of something quite unverifiable.
Huge numbers coming in, being gassed, being burnt and disposed of.
And it's essential to get from that to real physical reality of, say, the furnaces, how
many bodies they could cope with per day, and the rather straightforward fact that nothing
resembling a human gas chamber has ever been found.
The 130 million of trapes through Auschwitz was built after the war, by Stalin in 1946, and that was admitted by Franzisk Piper, the director of Auschwitz, in a wonderful interview by David Cole, he got through to Piper, got him to admit that that was a post-war construction.
And I think that's officially admitted now.
So the term Holocaust, which means burning and stuff, in your book you mention about how it became a pronoun with a You know, proper title, Castle H. If we could tie that in with the holo-religion.
The holo-religion?
Yeah, well... And how Holocaust has come to mean, again, something else.
Yeah, well... To what it used to.
Oh, right.
Well, to start with, if you go back to, say, the Eli Weasel book, Night, that has sold 12 million copies.
That is written in the 50s, and it doesn't have human guest chambers, okay?
No, it has huge burning pyres of human beings.
So the initial fantasy was that human bodies were inflammable.
And you could pile them up and burn them.
And the fat oozed out and the fat burnt, you know.
And then truckloads of babies turned up and truckloads of babies were put onto these burning pyres.
And I would say, oh no, how terrible!
The Germans even burned babies, you know.
And so that hallucinatory phantasm of inflammable human bodies was kind of put out by Fred Leuter.
He went to visit Auschwitz, and that's the first time you get realistic comments about the place.
He said, look, the water table, the water table around it is very high.
If you dig any sort of trench or hole, you're going to get water there.
The ground is far too damp to bury anything, to burn anything at all, especially not a human body, even if human bodies were inflammable, which they aren't.
They are incredibly difficult to burn, is that right?
Well, they are, yeah, yeah.
I mean, they were burnt in these furnaces that need quite a lot of coke, and they don't burn by themselves.
Anyway, that gave the tremendous holo word, holocaust, came through that image of the burning pyre, and you get it in the film Schindler's List.
I don't know if you ever saw that.
Spielberg film Schindler's List.
That has the burning pyres.
So there you go.
And it doesn't have human guest chambers, which cannot ever be filmed, because in a sense they can't ever exist, you see.
Human guest chambers are really like the witches' sabbaths of centuries ago, that they're a hallucination that you can't actually picture.
So Spielberg didn't put them in Schindler's List, the human gas charities, but he did have, I haven't seen the film, but he did have burning pyres.
So that is where the magic holocaust word came from, right?
Even if it's now died out in people's consciousness.
So everyone is keen to misuse the word holocaust these days as meaning A mass extermination process, like gassing, which we shouldn't really do, you know?
Okay?
At Eisenhower's Jewish death camp, over a million Germans were put out in a field and left to horrific, slow death, and people were banned from feeding them.
And that was a terrible, frightful sight of a huge field of Jews.
And that's in the Bark, James Bark bought other losses, okay?
And then there was, in Poland, Jewish torture, torture camps, torture death camps were set up for Germans.
This is a book called An Eye for an Eye, I think, by Sachs.
And they had slow agonising, tortured with slow agonising death.
So those were real death camps, intentional death camps.
The Jewish religion died 200 years ago.
There is nothing that unifies the Jews around the world apart from the Holocaust.
Well, it's very sad if you've got a hate-inducing paranoid delusion as something you all have in common.
I mean, why aren't Jews grateful if you tell them that their ancestors weren't gassed in huge gas chambers?
You would expect them to be grateful.
Yeah, you'd think, oh, thank God for that.
It didn't happen after all, you know.
But I've yet to hear of a Jew grateful for being told that.
Why do they want you to believe this nightmare story of persecution?
And the answer is religious.
It gives them a supremacism and being untouchable.
And there's actually a Manichean duality in this.
You might be interested, Kevin.
Manichaean means the cosmic polarity between light and darkness, okay?
The Nazis in this story are cast as the ultimate villains and they go around hunting out Jews and exterminating them because they are wicked.
That is the only motive.
They are wicked and therefore they hunt out and exterminate Jews.
And that has the implication that the Jews are the good guys.
Why do the Nazis hunt at Jews?
Because Jews are the good guys, and therefore they want to exterminate them.
And so that implies a privileged status to Jews, because they're God's chosen people, the wicked Nazis wanting to exterminate them.
And that gives you a horrible, crappy mythos, which our post-war civilization is run on, ensuring a totally worthless political dialogue goes on.
And I think it's about time we, you know, kicked it out and started talking a bit of sense to each other.
Yeah, this wicked Germans, poor Jews thing, which is a quote you use in the book.
Yeah.
If, looking at the part three, unless you want to say something about the Sacred Mitt and the New World Order, which is what I've just got on to with Well, I felt that was a good phrase, actually, that we're given this tremendous sacred myth of 9-11, which is the deaths are real, the story is bogus, it's a stupendous visual event.
It's done around New York, which is, in a sense, the main center of world Jewry.
We've got about 10% of Jews around the New York area.
And nearly all the world is given this bogus narrative about who did it.
And you then get an even greater untruth before that of the Holocaust.
There's even more massive untruth, and I call it the greatest lie ever told.
I'm not the first person to use that phrase.
So I think it's an immensely important event that the greatest lie ever told is disintegrating in our time, and we've got to help to make it disintegrate.
and it will be a Copernican revolution when that does fall apart.
So who is haunted by the six million then?
Well, the whole Western Civilization.
That started at the end of the 19th century, like a mantra, and there's a book published on it which shows how it started as a fundraising ploy for American Jews, saying, oh, six million European Jews are in danger.
And it starts off with Russian Jews, six million Russian Jews in peril, and then it becomes European Jews, they're being killed, or they're in danger, And you've got a massive sequence of newspaper headlines, 6 million Jews, all through the first part of the 20th century, and then it becomes, Hitler's Germany is threatening 6 million Jews, and then at Nuremberg, it's finally in the past tense, 6 million Jews have been killed.
So it's a hellish mantra that pulses through the 20th century, It just... Nobody knows quite where the figure came from, but it becomes compulsory.
All good citizens have to believe it.
So, if we come on to the Ten and the Tide... Now, Bishop Williamson, he's actually been filmed, and I'm sure you've seen the film.
I think it was taken in Sweden, wasn't it?
Yeah, that's right, yeah.
Now he said some very extraordinary things, I mean, it's in your book.
Just off the cuff, yeah, he was being interviewed on theological matters, then right at the end the guy put this question, and Williamson answered in his normal, straightforward, honest way, that probably not more than 200,000 Jews Or two or three hundred died in World War Two, which is absolutely correct.
And he then said they didn't die by gassing, absolutely correct.
And he commented on, about Fred Leuchter's sample and what the work Fred Leuchter did.
So it was great to hear a priest commenting on this scientific study.
And everything he said was absolutely spot on.
And he got so ethically damned for saying that.
This was in 2010, a couple of years after I'd been chucked out of my college.
So I and a friend used to go round, see him, have a cup of tea.
He was first of all chucked out of America.
He'd been a very, very much loved and admired bishop in America of this heretical church, SSPX.
Then he made some comments about who was responsible for the 9-11 event.
He said, Judo and Masonic elements.
Probably spot on.
And various comments he made about 9-11.
That got him chucked out into Argentina.
Then he made that comment, as you say, in Sweden.
And Argentina suddenly announces, oh, we can't possibly have a Holocaust denying bishop in our country.
And he ends up in Wimbledon, not allowed to preach anymore.
It's fantastic!
What a story!
And then the British Church finally decides to try and defrock him.
They don't want a Holocaust-denying bishop.
And it just shows that this is something enormously more important.
Belief in the Holocaust is enormously more important than the Christian religion nowadays.
I don't know if it's still on Wikipedia, but I read some time back that the Polish government had revised the figure.
They'd knocked 2.1 million.
Yeah, yeah.
And yet, why aren't they called anti-Semitic?
Yeah, there was a notice at Birkenau saying 4 million were murdered here.
And then that got knocked down to 1 million by Piper, it's Jack Piper, David Connolly, director of Auschwitz.
I mean, still an absurdly high figure, quite absurdly high.
Well, I heard 3 million got knocked off, but obviously that didn't have any effect on the total 6 million.
And no one said anything to them, that was actually on Wikipedia.
6 million minus 3 million equals 6 million.
You know, it doesn't have any effect on the total.
So, because, you know, the concentration camps are, you know, predominantly based in Poland, aren't they?
Yeah, yeah.
Which is what a lot of people forget.
They seem to think that they're just in... Well, let's just point this out.
There were, like Dachau, were in Germany, various concentration camps were in Germany.
Belsen as well.
Yeah, and the Nuremberg narrative had gassing extermination going on in Germany and Poland, right?
Now, what they didn't realise was that Germans were allowed to stroll around these ones in Germany, and they could easily ridicule the story.
They could easily see this is just a cheap psy-op, you know, that they've fiddled about with the ceilings, trying to make it look as if gas comes out of them.
So, soon nobody believed that Dachau gas chamber had been used.
In fact he had a humorous notice up there for years saying Dachau gas chamber not used.
So there was this paradox that the ones in Germany could not be maintained, the friction of mass gassing could not be maintained in Germany, right?
It could be maintained in Poland because nobody was allowed to go there, okay?
Remember the Iron Curtain was up, Nobody could travel through to Poland, it was out of bounds, and that is why the whole Holocaust story could be maintained in Poland.
Also, Poles have a deep hatred of Germany, traditionally, and so they would keep the horror story going in their country.
Now, you mention the Diary of Anne Frank, In the book.
So he only gets a small part.
But that's been instrumental in indoctrinating the youth.
Oh, gotcha!
Anne Frank statues all round the place in London, aren't there?
The Diary of Anne Fake is what I've heard they've been called.
Well, from our point of view, what's important is that she and her father went to Auschwitz, the father got ill and was looked after in the hospital there, and he recovered, okay?
Otto.
Otto.
And then, at the liberation of Auschwitz, Anne Frank went westwards towards Germany.
She went to another camp, I think Bergen-Belsen or something, and she finally succumbed to typhus there.
So neither of them died or were killed at Auschwitz.
I would say that is the important part.
There's a whole lot of other comments we could make.
It's supposed to have been written by a biro from the future.
That's right.
An anachronistic biro.
Yeah, that somehow came from the future.
And no-one saw the original?
No, scholars are not allowed to inspect the original.
It was probably written by, I think, her uncle or something.
The trip linker by death camp or railway station.
It does look more like a railway station.
Or is that just me?
Well, it's an open field Treblinka, an open field, an undulating field surrounded by trees, right?
And you're told that 800,000 Jews died there.
And at Nuremberg, it was said they'd been killed by steaming, right?
Steaming, in huge steam ovens.
There's no trace of any dead bodies, no trace of any means of extermination, okay?
But then, it turned out people didn't believe this, okay?
Oddly enough, the word of a Jew was not sufficient to convince people that 800,000 people died in this manor, and so the story shifted.
It became diesel exhaust.
Everyone said, Clever Germans have got this new diesel technology on which their war machine runs, because they don't have petrol, and they were all gassed by diesel exhausts.
Everyone knew how terrible, the horrible smell of diesel exhausts, okay?
And then, it wasn't for some decades later, in fact until the 1980s, people realized actually diesel exhausts is not lethal, okay?
You can't kill people with diesel exhaust because the carbon monoxide is down below 1% level, that's the lethal component, and it will just give you a very bad headache but it won't kill you.
And by then it was, as it were, too late to change the story.
The big textbooks had had the Treblinka carbon monoxide diesel story for quite a while.
And so, it's of interest that Birmingham University, a few years ago, had this lady, Caroline Collins, go out, and allegedly, this is going to refute the denial story, she went out to investigate Treblinka, right?
And she was told that the rabbis say, oh, we're not allowed to disturb the bodies, OK?
Nobody's ever shown there were any bodies, but not allowed to disturb them.
And she has a ground radar sensing equipment that, we're told, it can't actually detect bodies under the ground.
It couldn't actually detect them.
And so they plod around with this, and they notice some rocks under the ground.
OK, and they say, oh, well, these are probably the gas chambers.
Basically, they didn't find anything.
I mean, there is somewhere, there's a Christian graveyard somewhere in the corner of Treblinka, and I think they found some bodies there, but that's about it.
So, the Trantic Camp idea then, the BBC concluded that it was a... well, they offered some light on the revisionist idea, you say?
Yeah, what's called Operation Reinhardt was...
It was to do with the transit of Jews eastwards through Poland into Russia and you got camps like Treblinka and Belzec, Sobibor where on the eastern border Poland and Russia and there was actually a change in railway gauge around there so you had to get out anyway and Treblinka was just a couple of miles from the railway and I think they would get de-loused.
I think it was a camp for basically getting de-loused.
And there was one witness, a farmer, who used to be around at the time, that Forisson interviewed.
And he said, we used to go up to the gate at Treblinka and we'd offer them food in return for any bits of jewellery or stuff they had.
And so he talked about trading at the gate.
He said there was never any weird smell of anybody being burnt there, you know.
So I think that's what it was really, yeah.
Hollywood, holohoax, holocaust, it's been probably one of the main protagonists for the whole story.
I'm sure it has, yeah, I'm sure, yeah.
Instruments of perpetuation.
I've never watched those films, but, won't help it, but yeah, it does go on non-stop, doesn't it, yeah.
So there's hardly a feature film or anything made today.
It's hardly a news story that we see.
A day goes by with a holocaust.
Isn't mentioned or spotlighted in some way?
Yeah, I remember Gilmar Roof saying to me, he'd been in jail a few years, you know, for publishing the wrong stuff.
And he said, oh, they'd get you anyway.
He said, even on Mars they'd get you, you know, for dousing the story.
And so it's as if there is a turret clamped down on planet Earth.
People have to believe it.
So how does it have that power to be on TV every single day?
Every day, still in the newspapers, 70-something years on, 80-something million maybe died in the Second World War, 8 million Jews, 8 million Germans died, and that's all we ever hear about.
All we ever hear about, yeah, forget the rest of the war, 60 million died, just forget it, you know, it's the Jews in their make-believe gas chambers, that's all we have to hear about, isn't it?
So it's like a slave religion, that's the way I see it.
Three generations on from when it Three generations on, yeah.
It's like a slave religion.
Here is your, you know, grief, despair, horror that we think you deserve, and you listen to it, and that keeps you in a sort of condition of despair.
And there's got to be some way of breaking free from this, Cameron.
There's got to be some way.
Initially it was the idea of exporting people eastwards and then it developed into labour camps and then right at the end of the war the horror Crescendo of horror that became the death camps with the Allied bombing.
Don't forget two and a half million tons of bombs were dropped on Central Europe by Britain and America and that destroyed infrastructure and the high population concentration in the German labor camps meant that they were like More about the Dresden bombings and things like that.
That was a real holocaust, wasn't it?
And so you got the ghastly scenes which were then exported and manipulated by atrocity
propaganda used in Nuremberg.
And what about the Dresden bombings and things like that?
That was a real holocaust, wasn't it?
Because it was a death of fire, wasn't it?
Real holocaust, yeah.
And more people died at Dresden one night than Jews died in all the labour camps of
And in a way that could be described more closely as a holocaust.
Totally, yeah, that's the correct use of the word.
Yeah, because I read that in the book.
So I've read nothing but almost universal great reviews on Amazon.
I believe the book's selling well.
I don't know if you've read the comments on Amazon?
Yeah, there's been some nice comments, yeah.
There's been some excellent, it's been very well received.
I'm very surprised at it, are you?
Yeah.
Well yeah, I think it's a nicely produced book, and it shows its time has come, and the people who want to vilify it, they're in a minority.
Yeah, they're very quickly shut down in the comments part.
Not in a negative way, but there is a proper discussion taking place if you read the comments section, and where someone's come on and said, In a few instances where someone's challenged you, right, saying, well this is, you know, whatever, it's not, it's an untruth, or whatever, and then they cite some things, and you need to go and read this, go and read that.
Someone else comes back on, or the same person comes back on in a very articulate way, and there's too many of these, so no, it's no one, they're not set-ups, these are genuine comments on there.
So you've had 14 plus other stranded comments, you know, strands of comments.
It's been very well received.
Yeah, I think that's encouraging.
Four and a half stars out of five.
Yeah, that is encouraging, isn't it?
So, maybe you are, after all breaking the spell?
When it stops all coming, yeah.
Maybe that may be more sort of...
Well, my purpose of the book is to enable people to have conversations about the subject without losing your friends, without people going off in rage and despair.
That's right, there's no hatred in this book and there's no negativity in it or anything.
It's not a book of chastisement or anything like that.
No, no it's not.
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