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The Raw Deal (19 July 2024) with John Carman and featured guests Casey Whalen and Vicky Davis

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	Can you hear me okay?
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	Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host right here on The Raw Deal on Revolution Radio this 19th day of July, 2024.
	I have several guests with me, including John Carman, former Secret Service, Casey Whelan, investigative journalist, and hopefully joining us shortly, Vicki Davis, who's done a huge amount of research on a wide range of subjects.
	I want to begin with The latest regarding domestic politics and what we had going on with Donald Trump at the Republican National Convention, it was fascinating.
	I thought Trump gave a masterful speech.
	And that it was about as well conducted an event as would have possibly occurred.
	Let me see if I can get us together here.
	I want to begin just by citing some of the major stories.
	RNC goes on that Shane Trump returns Hulk Hogan's wing down the house.
	Trump said, I gotta stop wars with one call.
	Scott Ritter on J.D.
	Vance Donald Trump and the assassination attempt.
	The official shooter story makes no sense whatsoever.
	Breaking!
	Whistleblowers allege hardly any Secret Service agents at Trump rally during the event.
	Shadowy figure recorded on the water tower above the Trump rally shooting.
	This is a second shooter.
	I actually have no doubt about it, and I just want to get comments from each of you about what's going on here.
	And Vicky's welcome to join her video.
	John, give us a preliminary about any of the above.
	Sure.
	I've been monitoring this from the beginning, as you know, and I was picked up on national news service through Fox News OAN as well.
	The shooter that they've got is not the same name of the shooter.
	They've got a guy that was actually shot.
	It looks like it's Matthew or Maxwell now.
	Yurik.
	That's the guy that went spent time in the Ukraine.
	And what he allegedly was shooting was like an AR-15 type weapon, but with 22 long rifle rounds.
	No way it was a .223.
	That's just on the rooftop.
	That's a rooftop shooter.
	Then there's rumors about people saying stand down.
	You don't stand down.
	You see a shooter, you take it out.
	That's it.
	That's the training.
	I was never given such an order in Secret Service.
	74 through 77 at the White House on top of the roofs.
	Everywhere.
	I was the counter sniper, basically.
	Then they've got a shadowy figure that shows up on the tower, which violates all the security rules at the highest levels nearby, and it looks like a UFO.
	It's always blurred out.
	Then they put some figure that they probably enhanced and put in CGI.
	If you've ever climbed on top of a tower, it has a ladder, usually, Then at the top, you have a rail that goes around for safety reasons for workers.
	Maybe even have another ladder that goes up to the top of the point or the nipple or whatever you want to call it.
	And for a guy to be up there when a whole place was secured, and they're usually locked off with locks, would be highly unusual.
	But again, they're trying to promote another shooter on the tower.
	Great, show us the proof.
	Are you telling me you don't think there was another shooter on the tower?
	Not by all logic, because technically they have to have it locked off.
	There's usually a gated access, a ladder to another rail to a ladder to the very top, and it's very unsafe to be walking around the top of that area.
	So if he was in the blind spot, then come out, shoot, and then disappear, it looks like it was set up because it's obviously too blurred out.
	That's a good diagram.
	Yes.
	That's a good diagram.
	Exactly.
	Right here.
	Yup.
	Yes.
	That's a good diagram.
	Okay, we've got that location of the gunman on the roof, obviously, and here's the stage.
	Here's the water tower behind it.
	Exactly.
	Now, here's what they have in terms of video.
	Take a look at this.
	Hold that chart.
	That chart's a couple of months old, and if you want to really see something, take a look at what happened.
	The problem is the angle of the shots would be down and not straight across.
	Hang on.
	Hold that chart.
	That chart's a couple of months old.
	And if you want to really see something that's sad, take a look at what happened.
	Something blurry on the side.
	Yeah, John, let's say.
	That chart's a couple of months old.
	Yeah, there was something.
	We have acoustic analysis that shows there were three different weapons involved.
	First, three shots, which I attribute to the rooftop shooter.
	Then five, which I attribute to the water tower shooter.
	And then one, the sniper taking out the rooftop shooter.
	Do you dispute that?
	Well, the timing is a little weird, and I didn't have access to an acoustical type instrument or analysis.
	I'm going by what they played.
	Remember, they snuffed out the sound.
	Originally, so you couldn't hear the sounds of the shots, no different than if it was in Dealey Plaza.
	They've always kept in silence the sound, because then a professional like myself, who has actually used those kind of weapons and trained for many years, I could determine, yeah, that sounds like the same recoil noise, the report as they call it, of a gun of a certain caliber.
	They seem to be consistent though.
	But that doesn't make any difference with the fact that the counter-sniper, Secret Service, on the roof took too long to shoot the sniper.
	Then you got a second sniper allegedly on the tower.
	That looks like it could be CGI, but there's no escape route.
	That guy's trapped.
	John, I appreciate those comments about the tower.
	It does look kind of funny.
	What's supporting him there on the side of the tower?
	On the other hand, It does appear to be bona fide.
	I have it from multiple sources, even including TAS, that the acoustical shows three different weapons, initially three shots, then five.
	If you listen carefully, you can hear the initial three, and then a whole flurry, and then the shot that took out the sniper.
	So I personally am convinced there were three weapons involved, that there were initial three shots, then five, and then the sniper.
	Yeah, I just don't, I'm not focusing on the tower, but I'm focusing on where the guy that was shot is in a direct line.
	If you go back to the screen and show the line from the roof to where Trump was on the stand, that's very important.
	And I've already said it before.
	If they drew a straight line from where he was actually standing, where he got hit at the exact position, he had his ear turned.
	You could probably get it within so many feet of where the rifle shots were from.
	From the rooftop, maybe, but they're off.
	Mind you, John, there's a huge dispute over whether this whole thing was staged, that it wasn't even legit.
	Now, my opinion is, when you look at the shorts, this was a group of Jewish organizations put shorts on 12 million Trump stocks.
	If they'd only been worth 10 bucks, that's 120 million bucks they put on the assumption that Trump's stock was going to drop because he was dead.
	And had he been dead, it would have dropped.
	That's a good indicator.
	And now they're trying to roll it back.
	That is, to my opinion, very telling that there was a legit attempt to kill him going on.
	Now, that's the possibility, John, that they might have found out and turned it around.
	They didn't have the regular Secret Service there.
	They didn't have Trump's regular detail.
	They had a bunch of incompetence.
	It was like a clown show out there, including these women, one of whom couldn't even holster her weapon.
	Casey, what is your take about this?
	Well, obviously it's historic, and I haven't been following this very closely.
	I've been letting this sort of pan out and let it develop more since it's so new.
	In Southern Idaho, taking care of some other things, just filmed a whistleblower interview.
	So I've been kind of busy.
	It's unbelievable what's going on here.
	I mean, there are things out there.
	Some people are saying that this is some sort of staged event to help embolden Trump even more and gain even more notoriety.
	You're seeing people... What are your guys' thoughts on the On the bandage on the ear at the RNC.
	That's one of the questions I have for you because that's really, really interesting.
	This cult of personality with Trump now is at its next level where he's almost got, you know, this godlike personality.
	So to me, the shooting and that aspect is extremely interesting to me.
	A hole in the air, as I've observed before, is worth 10 million votes.
	And what this has had the effect of solidifying Trump's support.
	All the swing states have now gone to Trump.
	I think he's got the potential for carrying all 50 states.
	I actually think he has that potential.
	But he didn't need it.
	He was going to win this in a walk anyway, assuming we have an election.
	So I'm therefore very skeptical.
	John?
	I wanted to address your last comment before we switched over, was that when Trump travels around, since he's not the current president, he still has his regular team with him.
	On occasion, especially during election year, they will withdraw from other resources of Secret Service agents, not excluding even other Treasury agents, to fill in on other candidates like maybe Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	No longer Treasury, they're under DHS.
	Well, that's true, but it's a specific with training is usually with Secret Service only an immediate area of the president outside that that gets into other agents that may not have the same responsibilities and training that they have to have in in Maryland, you know.
	But that's still a good point that you were making.
	And we can talk about how the female is fumbling.
	I got other female law enforcers saying that there's no need for that type of female on that detail, let alone military.
	But she's left-handed for one thing.
	And she pulled a gun, you pull it out until the threat goes away.
	You don't keep putting it back and she fumbled.
	Okay, I get that.
	You know, even the one with the ponytail.
	These were diversity hires.
	They weren't hired for their competence.
	And it turns out that the detail in at the convention in Milwaukee was Trump's original even strength.
	And Vicki, if you can hear us, we can't see you.
	But if you can comment, I'd welcome any thoughts you have about the event and Butler as you see it.
	Well, I watched the event and I I was suspicious, but I really didn't want to think that he would do that, because you'd have to think that He would stand for being shot at and, you know, taking the top of his ear off.
	But then I listened to his speech last night, and I also watched a video of Eric Prince.
	And Eric Prince is marketing the idea of privatizing training.
	And so he's angling for a contract for training.
	And so I don't think that's a coincidence either.
	Listen, I think, I believe it was a real event.
	I believe he really was shot.
	It shows how he just turned his head.
	I mean, it was the slightest fraction of an inch that saved his life.
	And I cannot imagine—he didn't need it.
	And if he'd done it, and if it were a stunt, you would think Mayorkas and the Biden admin would be all over it, because what could be more damaging to his popularity than that he participated in a fake assassination attempt?
	That would be massively discrediting.
	Instead, instead, they're not allowing this woman, head of the Secret Service, to testify before Congress.
	They're trying to shut it down.
	They're telling her to keep her mouth shut.
	Mayorkas is scurrying around.
	I mean, to me, they are acting in a fashion known as consciousness of guilt.
	They know they've been caught.
	And the question just becomes more about the specific details.
	But I have people I regard as experts who are very, very much inclined to think the whole thing was staged.
	I do not actually buy that yet.
	I mean, I'm open-minded to more evidence.
	But it looks to me like it was obviously an inside job.
	You let this guy wander around with a ladder, climb up on a roof.
	People are protesting, pointing him out for 30 minutes.
	Before something is done about it.
	And the sniper who had him in his sights requested permission to fire, which he was denied until after the Patsy had fired.
	I mean, what's the point of having a Patsy if he doesn't fire?
	Then you lose his significance as a Patsy.
	So that's all consistent, in my opinion, with an inside job, a real effort to kill Trump that went awry in so many ways it was virtually a clown show.
	Vicky, go ahead, more.
	Yeah, well I participated in a march here in, it was in Boise, Idaho, and we had a local cop that was in charge of security, which I didn't even know we needed, but he had his guys staged on the rooftops all along the way of the route of the march.
	Now he's just a local cop.
	Yeah, good!
	And so how does it happen that what is supposed to be the best security in the world misses the fact that that rooftop is a danger?
	Mickey, would you believe the roof that building wasn't even in the security parameter?
	It was like a pie with a wedge cut out that included that building and others, even though they were in clear access of the podium where Drummond would be speaking.
	I mean, he was only about less than 150 yards away.
	I mean, that's a piece of cake in terms of shooting.
	Yeah, well-trained snipers today with the right weapons can take out a target at a mile, at a mile.
	And this Secret Service arraignment was completely ridiculous.
	It had to be at least twice as large.
	It had to include all the buildings, didn't even include the water tower.
	John, I know you're going to have comments.
	I've got tons of information.
	I need to fill you guys in.
	I don't know Vicky and I don't know what her background is, but point is he did get hit in the ear.
	I'm saying that it was nicked, not a hole yet.
	There's a hole in the ear, John.
	I've seen a close up.
	I'm waiting to get a further confirmation on actual photo.
	I've shown them before, John.
	I haven't seen it.
	I haven't seen it.
	I've seen it fresh when it was bloodied, but I haven't seen a hole yet.
	So, that's a minor detail.
	The area of coverage... It's a small caliber hole.
	Well, then that'll confirm it's probably the .22.
	Long rifle or something like I was telling before.
	That'll confirm with my military contact as well that we discussed logistics and ballistics and all this stuff.
	The coverage by the president had at least eight to ten people show up, including the three females, five or six males, and that still wasn't all of them.
	So on average, you're going to have a minimum of almost at least 15 in the area.
	Two sniper teams, two each on the roofs.
	That's another four.
	So you're looking at 25, maybe a little bit more than that.
	Plus the ones at the vehicle, which are the drivers and they're standing by for emergencies and so forth.
	That's minimum.
	Minimum.
	They should have had people on the platform is what I'm saying.
	One on corners or at least one on either side.
	That would have been available to block the view intentionally.
	And or be available to rush up to the podium in less than one or two seconds.
	That's how fast.
	They had to instead go up on the platform to get to him.
	That was too long.
	One, two, almost three seconds.
	That's, that's, that's not good.
	But then you have to ask yourself, why did they allow the other areas openly to be like the tower, the rooftops, that alleged order to stand down?
	I'm telling you, you might as well sign off your pension right there.
	You take the shot and you take the repercussions afterwards.
	Chito, let's say her name, Chito, the director of the Secret Service, who is not going to be a director long, In the minds of the Democrats, what they do is when they get caught, they fire them.
	They transform out.
	B.S.
	High treason.
	That's a very serious offense.
	Conspiracy to kill a president of the United States or a former president, head of state, whatever.
	You might as well get into the high treason.
	18 U.S.C., 2381, because that's what they're doing.
	And Vicky's right.
	They did have, or should have, people all along the parade route On a parade route, which is different.
	They also have vans that are electronically set up to block signals.
	They accept secret service, which is encrypted special radios.
	I've carried them.
	So, there's a lot of stuff going on.
	Doesn't mean somebody else could get a hold of it, but they keep wanting to throw extra stuff out there.
	Oh, now there's a guy in the tower.
	That should have been locked up.
	They didn't secure it.
	They relied on local police to secure certain areas.
	The rooftops of the AGR buildings, the agriculture buildings.
	You've got potential shooters at those angles, but I'm going to say again, I don't see any shots that could prove that they came from up above from the tower.
	They all, almost all of them, came from laterally, left to right, from the rooftops and the left of those areas.
	Well, we have way more bullets.
	We had numerous, you know, spectators that got shot, John, and some of them were waiting for bullets.
	Those don't appear to be on the same trajectory as the... So, if you got the bullet from the guy that got hit in the bleachers, they want to know, oh, he was sitting in the back of the head.
	Really?
	This is the back of the head.
	That's the back of the head.
	That's the back of the head.
	Look at the angles.
	So, we have to look, where did it come from?
	And that's going to tell us more information.
	The female that was wounded and somebody else got dropped down in between the bleachers.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Good, good, good, good.
	Casey, any further thoughts you might have about this?
	And then I want to turn to the Republican convention.
	Did you watch any of it?
	Did you see Trump speak?
	I did a little bit driving back from Boise last night.
	Yeah.
	Tell me about your impressions.
	Well, I mean, I have my own opinion.
	What's your opinion?
	That's what you're here for, my friend!
	Go for it!
	Well, I mean, I've just seen some, you know, a lot of things that Trump has made a lot of bad decisions throughout his presidency, like a lot of his picks.
	Let me just say, I think J.D.
	Vance was a terrible choice.
	I think he made a calamitous blunder in picking this guy.
	We can talk about it, but I want your thoughts.
	Yeah, go.
	Yeah, and so anyways, I thought his speech was okay.
	I didn't catch all of it.
	We had reception in and out, driving back, but all in all, it was okay.
	I was actually watching a stream from Nick Fuentes, who runs America First, the America First Foundation.
	And it was really interesting.
	His take on it was that his Trump, his speech, excuse me, was lackluster compared to his speech from 2020.
	And he, in 2016 even, he had some examples.
	And so it was a different, it did seem like a different Trump, a different person.
	Not as much fire or energy, I guess you could say, if you look at some of the prior speeches that he had.
	And then some of the people that spoke at the RNC was very questionable to me.
	I'm trying to think of Rose.
	I forget her name.
	The gal that has a tattoo on her forehead.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just some of the people that spoke there were just it was it was really bizarre.
	Yeah.
	You know, it just lacked some of the morals, I guess, that that used to encompass the conservative party.
	And now we're seeing a shift.
	Yeah.
	More towards this acceptance for for gay rights and just a different party now, basically.
	Right.
	We we don't need that.
	Vicki, give me your thoughts about did you see any of the speeches or Trump?
	And what are your thoughts?
	Yeah, I watched as much of the speech as I could stomach, which was probably half an hour or a little more.
	It went on for about an hour and a half.
	Yeah, he seemed to me to, it seemed almost like from what he was saying, it wasn't the same Trump that we have been hearing over and over again.
	He seemed a little more, how can I say this, loose-lipped.
	Subdued?
	Well, a little subdued, but a different Different messaging than he had been doing before.
	Now I'll have to listen to it again.
	Are you implying the use of a body double?
	That drums have been replaced?
	No, no, no.
	But a different messaging.
	And I put that together with his selection of J.D.
	Vance.
	And J.D.
	Vance would only serve to reach people like me who were disenchanted with Trump after the first election because he promised to get us out of NAFTA and he didn't do it.
	And that was the only promise.
	The only thing that I wanted for him to do was to get us out of NAFTA.
	And he went back on his promise and he didn't do it.
	So I actually did not vote for him last time.
	I would never vote for him again because I just will never forgive him for doing that.
	Would you vote for Joe Biden?
	No, absolutely not.
	No, I just didn't vote.
	If you had to choose between Trump and Biden, I take it you prefer Trump, but you're disinclined to support him this time around.
	Yes.
	And you didn't vote for him in the past.
	Well, I voted for him in the first election.
	2016.
	Yeah.
	But after he didn't keep his promise, I didn't vote for him.
	But after he didn't keep his promise, I didn't vote for him.
	I didn't vote at all.
	I was one of those people that stayed home.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	John, you've heard that.
	I wanted to comment because I'm a profiler and people don't understand the profiling.
	And then I want to connect it to Vicky's comment about NAFTA, which is a good point.
	I noticed Trump lost a little weight.
	And when people lose weight, you notice it right away on the first glance in his face.
	He has been through it.
	Stand by, we're going to a break.
	John Carman, Casey Taylor, Mickey Davis, much going on here.
	We'll be right back.
	That chart's a couple of months old.
	And if you want to really see something that said, take a look at what happened.
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	John, you were talking about profiling.
	Go ahead.
	Give us your further thought.
	Yeah, I've got an extensive background in profiling, so I was watching some of the speeches last night and over the last couple of days.
	I noticed that Trump looked tired.
	He's been through a traumatic experience.
	His face looked a little thinner.
	And when people go through a deal or go to the hospital or go through all this stuff, they're not going to react the same way.
	It takes me three days if I go through a traumatic deal to settle down.
	So that's why I'm going on the three-day rule.
	But I was still watching and monitoring the ear, you know, to see, this is on my, that would be his side, but to you it's on the other side, Patch.
	Eventually that, eventually it'll come off and probably we'll see something.
	But the way he was acting, his words, and somebody made the comment, do you think maybe he's a little bit humble now because of what happened?
	Do you think maybe he's changed a little bit?
	Maybe he's not dancing around so much, but there's a lot of love and respect.
	Coming up, because this will be the first time in our history, at least way back before Kennedy or something, I was 10 years old when that happened, that an assassination attempt occurred, mistakes and all.
	It's not what they do to you folks, it's how you react to it.
	That's a key phrase.
	And I'm watching that.
	I'm watching how he acts afterwards.
	Is he humble?
	Is he going to do all these things?
	You know, they even had Hulk Hogan on there and some other people to go up there and rip his shirt off and all that stuff.
	I said, oh, I get it.
	I get it.
	You know, they've known each other for 25, 30 years.
	And then another gentleman.
	But what's interesting, back on Vicki's comment, and I want to talk to her sometime afterwards, is that I was at U.S.
	Customs when they did the NAFTA thing.
	So we're talking 83 to 85, right around that time.
	You know, when they did that, that's where they're bringing in stuff under special.
	Most favored nation is the word that they use at work.
	MFN.
	So if you get on the most favored nation list, you get to bring stuff in for free or low taxes, while our government gets taxed in China or some other place outrageously.
	So that's a good point, Vicky, because Trump should have dropped that because he's supposed to be a businessman, but that's what they do at the White House.
	They make deals on these things.
	Go ahead.
	John, just to be very clear, Your profiling suggests Trump is displaying authentic reactions to having undergone a traumatic experience and that he has lost some weight, and that he does appear to be more humble, I would say, the word humble.
	I mean, I agree with Mickey to the extent that he had a—I don't want to call it arrogance, but he certainly had a style in the past that was more self-assertive.
	I call it even proud.
	This, I thought, was a more humble version.
	Overly confidentially.
	Which is actually, in my opinion, to the American people, even more appealing than the original guy.
	Yeah, I would say the word overconfident, overconfidence.
	In the past.
	In the past.
	Yeah, in the past.
	But there was also a thing, I don't know if you guys noticed, somebody else put a thing on a YouTube or a Bitchu channel, and I've got my channel up there updating stuff continually.
	Somebody suggested that they took Trump's shoe off and left his shoe at the platform.
	And I go, no, that's more stuff for some left-winger to psychologically throw people off, even the CIA that operates the news media.
	Why would he not have?
	Well, you know what?
	Yeah, go ahead, Maggie.
	That's really very interesting.
	I don't know if you remember the Eyes Wide Open campaign, where they had a field full of shoes.
	And I assume that the idea was that the shoes represented people that had died, people that were killed.
	I don't really know much about the Eyes Wide Open campaign other than that.
	But I had an experience with somebody putting a shoe in my car while I ran into a Walgreens.
	Really?
	Yeah, which was really, really weird.
	That's a good point because recently they were putting out stuff about gloves and I won't mention Tom Hanks on some deal.
	They're trying to make a connection with some other pedophile victim thing.
	The thing about the shoes.
	Let me pull up my shoe on the floor here.
	If I was in a foreign country and I didn't like Bush's speech, what do you think the guy did?
	He took off his sandals and threw it at him.
	That's right.
	I remember.
	I remember when somebody threw a shoe at George W.
	That's right.
	It's a sign of disrespect.
	In the Middle Eastern culture, that is exactly the worst thing you could do, is to put your foot or your shoe or your sandal on top of a person's head.
	That's total control, and it's also like you're throwing it at them is another way of hitting them with a shoe is an insult, like throwing at a glove back in the old days of chivalry.
	Why would Trump have not had his shoes on in the first place?
	I mean, that's so odd that he had to put on his shoes.
	Now, look, if he'd been killed, They would have seen, at the end, you would have seen the stage with his pair of shoes.
	Now, Ole Damegaard is one of the leading experts on false flags in the world, has made quite a point of them using shoes as representative of this being a faker stage event, and he's got case after case after case.
	Uh, Aaron, this, so far as I could, that was real, but I don't get what the hell he was not having his shoes on in the first place.
	No, they didn't walk him off without his shoes.
	I'm telling you, just something to be aware of.
	If somebody left a shoe there, that is huge.
	I would consider that hugely significant.
	Well, let me tell you this.
	He dropped his hat.
	The agent, the female agent, reached down to pick up his hat before they actually took him off the stage.
	I'm going, really?
	Just leave it.
	Get him out of there.
	It's not a big deal.
	Leave the hat, you know.
	OK, grab the hat.
	All right.
	I get it.
	You know, it's going to have blood on it.
	Casey, any further thoughts of yours?
	Not really.
	I'm just I'm enjoying the conversation and the information.
	That's OK.
	That's OK.
	OK.
	It seems to me if we have an election, I mean, it's all over, but they're shouting.
	I mean, it's going to be overwhelming for Trump.
	I mean, this is only reinforcing his standing with you.
	The guy listening to the speech.
	Very relaxed.
	Humble, I would say.
	Very expansive.
	He has a way of connecting with the American people, unlike anyone else out there, it seems to me.
	I mean, I was listening to every word.
	I was doing a color commentary.
	I thought it was a completely successful speech, John.
	Hey, can I ask you guys a question, because I don't have time with all the stuff I'm running around doing to watch the whole speech, but towards the end, when they had the end of the speech thing, which lasted, where they stood on the stage, the background was a duplicate of the White House where I've actually stood duty.
	You know, the North Portico, that kind of thing, with the big lamp coming down with the chains.
	You know how many hours I spent on that post over a three-year period?
	Off and on, midnight shift, waiting for something to happen.
	Oh, please, God, let something happen.
	I'm bored, right?
	Just to throw that Secret Service comment in.
	I looked at all the people.
	Melania came out.
	She's beautiful.
	I watched her responses, the smiles, the back and forth, the connections that they were making.
	Then you got the rest of the kids coming out.
	You know, they planned it that way.
	Okay, now you come out, then Donald Jr., then the other ones come out.
	Well, Horace is going to tell us something we don't know.
	Oh, no, no.
	I'm going to tell you something you don't know.
	All right.
	Where was Barron?
	All seven or eight foot tall of Barron.
	Where is he?
	Well, I that's a good point.
	We're there.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I, you know, I make secret service.
	I noticed little things like that, you know, Joe, Vicki.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	I didn't that's about the time when I, you know, turned off the speech because I.
	I don't know.
	I'm not too sentimental about the whole... I think we get it, Vicki.
	You're not a Trump enthusiast!
	Well, it's 15 minutes.
	I was.
	I was a Trump enthusiast, but when he didn't keep his promise, that one promise... I get it.
	Yeah, I just... He was also going to lock her up, but Hillary has too high a security classification.
	That's my disappointment right there.
	Yeah, there's so many things that he did and didn't do.
	that he's not the person that he presented himself as far as I took him.
	And was Joe Biden, Vicki, just asking an obvious question?
	Biden said he'd be a unifier.
	Biden said he'd be a unifier, right?
	Yeah, I wouldn't vote for Joe Biden for dog catcher.
	Right.
	I couldn't agree more.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	As a matter of fact, it irritates the hell out of me that everybody... It drives me crazy when people just talk subjects to death when there's nothing to talk about.
	It's so obvious.
	It's so obvious that Joe Biden has dementia.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So why do we keep talking about it?
	He's stepping down.
	He's already said if he's got a problem, he'll accept it.
	I think he called it a disease.
	They've already diagnosed him as COVID.
	I mean, you can diagnose anyone with COVID.
	It's pretty obvious we're going to have an open convention.
	What I've heard most recently, and this kind of implored me, I mean this conversation shortly before coming on with you guys, is that they might have Elizabeth Warren as their presidential nominee with a VP Hillary.
	You know, I think they can't put Hillary at the top because she's so universally despised.
	And if they put her in as VP, then they can always take out Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas.
	I don't see that as a viable ticket, but I don't know how the Democrats can do better.
	I think they're worried about Michelle being outed as a man with breast implants, which is so embarrassing and humiliating.
	So many no already.
	Can you imagine the number of commercials instantly as soon as Michelle were nominated for either position?
	Casey, go ahead.
	Okay, Vicki.
	I was going to say, I'm one of those that wonders who really is running our country.
	And I found a little clip that I captured, I don't know when, but Herman Van Rompuy was the president of the European Council, I think it was, at the time when this was recorded.
	He said 2009 was the first year of world government.
	And I...
	What was that about 2009?
	I'd say, uh, who was president that week?
	Uh, that would have been Obama.
	New world order.
	Yes.
	The new world order is real.
	And I've spent 20 years studying this.
	The question was, you know, how is it that this is working?
	Who's running it behind the scenes?
	Go back to Poppy Bush.
	Well, Poppy Bush is dead.
	In 1985, when the incident with the attempt on Reagan's life, and I had interviewed Hinckley in 1976 in front of the White House, five years before that, Poppy Bush was always talking about a new world order, not the law of the jungle, quote, and so on and so forth.
	So, I'm going back that far to It was established when they tried to attempt to get in that way, because if they got rid of Reagan, he would automatically be shuffled in there.
	No difference between Biden versus him.
	The whole assassination attempt was saying the message, let George do it.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I have a couple of his speeches here.
	He had a better speech in 92 that was more clear.
	In 1990, he first mentioned the New World Order, but then he did a speech in front of the UN.
	But, you know, it's perfectly clear that there actually is, or was, a plan in place for a new world order, world government.
	Yes, yes, yes, and by my take, Vicki, it's to be run out of Jerusalem.
	And the 500,000 is the chosen people, and there are 28,000 slaves apiece.
	That's how they get up to 500 million.
	I mean, it's just outrageous.
	Does that comport with your take on what's going on here?
	Well, I haven't looked at Israel that much, but it seems every thread of my research goes back to the City of London.
	Yeah, well, that's a Rothschild, you know, that's just a headquarters for the Rothschild operation.
	Right, but they are a port jurisdiction, which is what the design of the New World Order system is around the concept of ports.
	Okay, and it was the British, of course, who set up Palestine.
	The what was it the Palestinian the mandate that created the territory of Israel?
	That was a Rothschild maneuver, too, wasn't it?
	Sure.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure if it was or not, but... Yeah, it goes back to the Rothschild.
	Or the Balfour Declaration and all that.
	Listen, I want to shift gears.
	I want to turn it over to Casey, because I know he's got lots of issues he wants to address.
	Casey, I want you to go anywhere you want.
	We can tie in with these developments or not, as you may choose, please.
	Yeah, I think what and to have John on here is a blessing because I we've been Vicki and I've been working together the last couple of years and Vicki is a co-host on Govern America with Darren Weeks and has done extensive research and explaining the systems of government over the years really getting down to the brass tacks and But we've been researching it.
	It kind of leads to a lot of our research led to like the fusion centers and that.
	So I was kind of curious to pick John's brain on the fusion center aspect.
	That's one of the things I've been trying to explain to people is the significance of this modern-day police state that we're currently living in.
	And that's one of the things that Vicki and I have been trying to expose.
	She of course has a lot more knowledge and And I'm more of a lay person, so we're coming at it from different aspects, but we have a lot had a lot of success in explaining these things.
	So I guess maybe to start with would be interesting would be to maybe if Vicki could talk about, you know, the Metro aspect, the core, this communist overtake that this implementation through our government that's that's Uh, this authoritarian thing that's, that's happening right now and tie it in with the fusion centers and the modern day police state.
	I think that's interesting.
	That would be an interesting topic for us to talk about.
	Well, it all has to do with the, um, what I would call the strategic design for control.
	And, um, Ronald Reagan, if you've looked into his history at all, he, he, During the war, or after the war, he went to work for General Electric for a guy named Lemuel Boulware.
	And Boulware was a World War II propagandist.
	And what Reagan did for General Electric was the General Electric Theater.
	And he went around and propagandized at all the GE facilities.
	About why, what the interest, the interests of GE were in line with the interests of workers.
	You know, what's good for the, what's good for the companies, good for the workers.
	And that was the idea that the Republican Party was built on.
	Well, in, I forget what year it was, but Ronald Reagan switched parties from being a bleeding heart Democrat to being a Republican.
	And he ran for governor in California, I think it was 72 that he first ran.
	But Reagan actually came, and this surprised me, I didn't know this about Reagan, but Reagan came in with the idea of bringing efficiency and computerizing local communities.
	Into an efficient metropolitan structure.
	And see, I'm familiar with the area of California that this woman, it's either Joe Hindman or, I can't think of the other lady, but they wrote about their experience at trying to stop
	The consolidation, the centralization of small towns together into metropolitan regions.
	And if you follow the history going forward, that's what was happening in Idaho, was that they were turning our capital city and the surrounding towns into a metropolitan region.
	Well, if you follow that logic, it turns out that what they did is these metropolitan regions, they can become inland ports under a few different conditions.
	Now, the concept of an inland port and ports goes back to admiralty law, British admiralty law.
	And what Reagan did on the southern border, he created the La Paz Treaty.
	It goes body of water to body of water.
	It is an inland port.
	And so that's really the way that they've captured our country is through port structures, both seaports, inland ports, and technology.
	Which goes to the fusion centers that Casey just mentioned, and those fusion centers are total command and control over our critical infrastructure and our people.
	It is the police state.
	That's just like the maritime law and the sovereignty stuff, correct?
	Well, not the sovereignty stuff that I think you might be referring to, which is the sovereign citizen stuff.
	Well, kind of, but how much different?
	I'm familiar with the maritime law and stuff like that because I worked at U.S.
	Customs, and I worked at the border, so that means you can't come in without a passport.
	We check people on boats, planes, and everything else, but what's the difference between what you just said and maybe a comparison to a kibbutz?
	Or am I off base on that?
	You know, A kibbutz is really kind of, as I understand it, it's kind of like a village.
	Right.
	Where they're all working together.
	It's a communist organizational structure.
	And it could be, I mean, it's similar in concept, but not in implementation, obviously, because as I understand it, the people who are in a kibbutz are kind of like our Amish.
	You know, they are kind of like a religious sect, and they live in a communist system.
	Or the communes back in the 60s.
	Yeah, the communes, yes.
	But this is a modernized, updated vision of that in the form of a metropolitan region.
	And I don't know if you know about New York City and the Port Authority.
	The Port Authority was authorized in 1921 by an act of Congress, and it's a cross-jurisdictional New Jersey-New York organization for transportation.
	Because they had two ports there.
	They had the New Jersey port and the New York port, and they didn't want those two ports competing with each other, so they put both ports under the port authority.
	That's interesting.
	And so that's the concept.
	Metropolitan region as a port, like a port authority over an area.
	Can I interject something because of this international stuff?
	Because working at U.S.
	Customs, we handle bills of lading.
	If a ship landed, these are key terms, then U.S.
	Customs had authority to check it.
	They still had to go through their ports of authority, like even in San Diego, Los Angeles, Long Beach.
	But there's something about diplomatic pouches that enters into a question where these people are involved in diplomatic art.
	You might want to Google that one.
	That means they could travel from one port of entry all across the world, land at another port, and allegedly not be inspected.
	Allegedly.
	But they would transfer merchandise to another commerce location in another country, which is almost like smuggling.
	That's what they're doing.
	They're illegally smuggling through the diplomatic pouch exemptions under the law because technically diplomats when they come in are exempt from inspection just like our diplomats in Europe would be exempt but if on occasion you see somebody who's violating it you can examine The container, the pouch, the container as big as a ship.
	And to do that, well, you have to let the other guy go until he gets cancelled out by the president of that country to their diplomatic connections in their country.
	But it's kind of an interesting legality that they use to smuggle, transport the stuff with the art, which turned out to be pedophilia type related material.
	Oh, that is interesting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, and all across our country, well, under the World Trade Organization, they recognized inland ports.
	And that's actually how China got into our country, coming in through Mexico.
	Vincente Fox defined five inland ports terminating in Kansas City, but as long as the route is unbroken and as long as there is agreement from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, like between a town in Mexico and Boise, Idaho, it is considered, a truck is considered a
	A vessel in transit, and it can come through without stopping.
	Without delay or inspection.
	That falls right into my background and customs, because they take a truck from Mexico to go to Canada, and it'll go straight through the United States through Texas, Oklahoma, and so forth, all the way up this Agenda 21, the special highway.
	And as long as they don't violate anything, they can go in transit, That's the IT, that's an actual term, to Canada and then drop off, or they can be inspected if they have to before they go to Canada, unaltered, unhindered, and uninspected.
	But they can still x-ray it at the border.
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	Casey, Vicki, carry on, carry on.
	Okay, well, I would just like to say I'd love to talk to John Carman about my research because almost nobody understands my research because it's based on technology and the design over time of what they've done to our country.
	I wrote a report called How They Turned the U.S.
	In into a land bridge between two bodies of water.
	And it's because of the the use of port jurisdictions that are established out of the Metropolitan.
	Organization.
	And with the interstate connecting all of our major cities, they've basically designed us out of our country.
	That ties right into intermodal commerce zones, correct?
	That's correct.
	That's the commerce thing, exactly.
	Uh-huh.
	Hey, what about the term Minute City?
	Is that what they're putting out?
	You're not allowed to go more than 15 minutes is about one mile.
	Okay.
	So they're defining cities with, uh, you know, two mile diameter and everything is supposed to take place.
	I mean, they are making these outdoor prisons or turning cities into prisons.
	It's just stunning and unbelievable.
	The checkpoints will come up and then you'll have to be shown your pass.
	Just like at the checkpoints.
	Show us your papers.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And the boundaries, what the boundaries are, that's Agenda 21, they're urban growth boundaries.
	What they did in Idaho, a partnership of mayors set up a cross-jurisdictional partnership, an actual 501c3 organization.
	It was supposed to be for land use planning and police powers because they wanted to have police powers across jurisdictional boundaries.
	You know, from city to city plus the county, they didn't want to have jurisdictional boundaries for law enforcement.
	Can I interject on that real quick?
	Sure.
	What I found out over the years is that they've absorbed or adopted some of the authorities I had at the border.
	So that if you're at the border, that's called Nexus.
	It's usually within 25 miles.
	That's a drug corridor anyway, but if you travel beyond the corridor up to another location, then then the authorities to inspect stop or do over there.
	Enforcement dissipates.
	However, what they're doing is they're going into task forces.
	They're training state local officials on certain types of laws which would be.
	Like under Title 19 for seizing your conveyance, seizing money if you didn't declare it.
	And they're actually profiling people, that's the term I'm background in, to stop people on a highway in transit from one location to another, stop them illegally, and ask them about transporting certain sums of money over $10,000, which technically is none of their damn business because you're not causing it to be Transport across a border or money transaction over electronically which electronically gets reported.
	So they're expanding on federal authorities to state and local And that's it right there.
	They're going to get to the point pretty soon where everybody's going to be part of a task force or a special unit, state, local, federal officials at the same spot.
	And they're teaching these guys from state to state that they could seize your car illegally under administrative law just because of some law.
	Yeah.
	It ties in with all that admiralty stuff.
	Exactly.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, they've basically turned our interstate highway system into a waterway.
	You know, going port to port, clear across the country.
	Yes.
	And it's really, it's very, really very interesting and brilliant in terms of the way that our country has been captured through what started out as Admiralty Law, but it was carried forward to the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs, GATT, you know, the Bretton Woods Agreements, and then it was carried forward
	To the agreement under the World Trade Organization.
	So they've done this all around the world, and they really are capturing the world.
	But China came out with their Belt and Road Initiative in 2013, but they were engaged in it even before that.
	Can you expound on the thing about the World Economic Forum connection on that?
	Well, the World Economic Forum started out as a university, probably a center, for trying to vision, you know, the future world.
	It was called the European Management Organization.
	And they were focused on looking at creating the European Union.
	You know, because before World War Two, all of those countries in Europe, they were all independent nation states.
	But after World War Two, they started beginning to collectivize the European nation states under what you could call a regional structure.
	Larger scale than a metropolitan region.
	Obviously, because it goes across the length of Europe.
	But the idea was to collectivize the nation-states under this management structure.
	That's other than NATO.
	Other than NATO, yes.
	NATO is a military alliance.
	The European Commission was an economic alliance.
	And so it's what I would call a communist structure, just built in a different way than, you know, Bolsheviks rioting and taking over the palace and all that.
	It's a business capture.
	And that's really what the whole global system is.
	It's a business capture.
	But the way that they accomplished it was cross-border financing of infrastructure.
	S.G.
	Warburg started issuing bonds for collectivized infrastructure in the 1960s.
	And apparently the way that it worked was the banks in one country would make loans in another country, and vice versa.
	There you go, it fell back to the banks.
	Yeah, so that created a system that I call criss-cross double-cross.
	How far back?
	Like Lloyd's of London in England back in the 1700s?
	Well, actually it's really very interesting.
	It does seem to go back to the East India Trading Company.
	And the capture of India, and the organizational structure there, and that's what's so fascinating about the City of London.
	The City of London is a city of what they call charities, but we call non-profits, but they are non-profits by profession.
	And they're exempt.
	Yeah, because they're in a poor jurisdiction.
	That's the whole purpose then.
	It's kind of like saying Washington, D.C.
	is a city, and it's not.
	It's a district.
	It's exactly like that, and so is the Vatican.
	And they also have all these foreign missions.
	Just to show a comparison in D.C.
	because I protected them.
	So they have all these diplomatic missions in a district, not a city or state.
	So it falls under different jurisdictions.
	Tons of federal stuff.
	But that's interesting what you're saying, because it's all going back to the banks.
	Who are the bankers?
	You know what I mean?
	Well, and the way they organize across the world is through these charities that are actually associations by profession.
	And so it's and you can see it's so easy to see how they do this.
	It's like the American Planning Association.
	All they have to do is decide what the plan is and then the American Planning Association carries that message down to the level of, you know, your local city planner.
	And that's the way they've organized it.
	Now, we think of the world in a political structure, you know, where we have an executive and then, you know, he's got his council and all of that.
	But the way that the City of London organizes things is by the associations, by professions.
	So they become cartels of a profession.
	Can you say bank cartel?
	Yeah, yeah.
	They finally did.
	I wanted to interject because I wanted you to keep talking on that, but I'm also aware of the cartels from Mexico where they took their money to a bank in McAllen, Texas.
	Laredo.
	Laredo National Bank.
	Look it up.
	LNB.
	Laredo National Bank.
	And they got caught by the government because no foreign entity can own more than 49% of any structure or building or property in the United States and yet they're buying stuff up in a controlled interest at over 51 percent and I'm not a bank person believe me I don't even like looking at stats but it kind of ties in with what you're saying because they're all doing this interstate commerce stuff with banks so it's bank to bank Waterways and all that sort of stuff.
	I know people that I talked to routinely that worked at banks and they were asked to do illegal things and just recently it was stated to me in the last 24 hours about all the banks that are failing right now that may not be FDIC protected or insured.
	Well, I have a clip of a member of commerce in a recent committee That was talking about the reason why they didn't allow AIG to go bankrupt was because it would have bankrupted European banks.
	Because of the way they did this criss-cross double-cross.
	They had foreign banks invest in our infrastructure, and then our banks invest in the foreign infrastructure.
	So they have a synagogue knot of financing for infrastructure, which is the police state technology.
	And so they tied us together in such a way that we can't stop the system without hurting other countries, Other countries can hurt us if it goes the other way.
	Have you seen any connection with BlackRock yet?
	Oh yeah, BlackRock is a pension company.
	They tried to recruit me from DynCorp.
	DynCorp changed into BlackWater.
	Now it's BlackRock and there's supposed to be a multi-million or billion dollar government related deep state corporation thing connected to the banking systems and so forth.
	BlackRock, I don't know if you saw that announcement, where BlackRock is heavily invested in infrastructure around the world.
	They want to take control of all the infrastructure properties there.
	Like Iraq?
	Everywhere!
	I have to use that as an example because somebody got kind of upset because I was exposing a scam where the Iraqi dinar, I'm holding this up to the screen, you could buy truckloads of the Iraqi dinars, but they're worthless until they get the gold standard back, which was stolen under, allegedly under President Bush Jr.
	And they don't have a president.
	And every time I go out and talk to somebody at a liquor store who's Chaldean or Iraqi, I'll ask them, hey, is this worth anything?
	Nope, it's not worth a dime.
	Just like that.
	And there's no president assigned yet.
	That's part of the military plan going from east to west through the Middle East thing.
	That stuff's ongoing because they claim if you took this note, After you get a code word, here's the scam, and you go to this bank, they're going to cash in on all these Iraqi dinars that you supposedly have into millions.
	I remember when those were being sold, and I thought, well, that's kind of bizarre.
	But the plan that I'm telling you about, that I'm talking about, is a global plan.
	The idea, of course, is to establish world government.
	Well, that's the way they did it, is getting countries tied up in this Gordian knot of financing and technologically based infrastructure, which is police state technology.
	It's almost like the Bitcoin thing scam as well.
	Well, you know what?
	They're beginning to... I think that that's going to come very, very soon.
	Do you know who Patrick Wood is?
	No.
	He wrote about Technocracy Incorporated?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, currency, our traditional currency, is based on extraction of resources and then building something with those resources.
	Well, Technocracy Incorporated had an idea of, instead of that as the economic system, using energy credits and debits as the basis for, I don't want to say currency because that confuses it,
	But that energy debits and credits, energy inputs and energy outputs as a basis of value.
	Well, they're moving away from the gold and the silver standard to not back it up then.
	Yes.
	And so and so that's what Technocracy Inc was.
	It was a group of people and they happened to be Very systems-minded because what they wanted to do was to build a system of currency.
	I'm going to use the word currency but don't apply that as we traditionally do.
	A medium of exchange that people could use for trading and it would be based on energy inputs and outputs.
	Of course, that flows right into Agenda 21, Conservation of Resources, right?
	Yeah, I'm thinking about Tesla right now.
	What would Tesla do, right?
	Tesla, I believe, is the grandson or son of one of the founders of Technocracy Incorporated.
	Wow.
	Yeah, so ponder that.
	Yeah.
	But that's why they're building the smart grid all over the place.
	I don't want to go into it, but they've built almost a secondary monetary system using renewable energy credits, which flows right into Technocracy Incorporated.
	But I think they're converting and of course Bitcoin, the cryptocurrency, is like a perfect way to begin the conversion away from the resource-based dollar to what I call vaporware.
	It's vaporware because it exists in cyberspace.
	Now you're aware of Nigerian scams then?
	Oh, yeah.
	Actually, when I lived in New York, they hit our bank account.
	We had a Merrill Lynch account, and they took about $10,000 out of our bank account.
	That was very early in the 1990s, and it was spent all around the country.
	I was investigating since the late 80s as a private investigator.
	In fact, I can name a Hollywood movie star up in LA.
	He got gigged for some scam where they had him pull his money out of his account, his retirement money, which was over $100,000.
	He was so embarrassed to tell me about it when I finally talked to him.
	He was in martial arts, just to give you a profile part of it.
	And I told him, They have special government-backed programs to protect you against these things.
	I forget the name of it.
	And you have to file a report just like you're going through the FBI.
	And I just had a lady call me this morning from another state about a guy named Michael J. Saylor, who I warned her about.
	He profiled exactly as a scammer.
	And if you run the guy's name in Wikipedia, that guy's supposedly worth 8 point something billion dollars.
	Why would he even call this person up?
	But that's what they do.
	They imitate another person.
	I've had one imitate Prince Harry.
	Then he'll eventually get to ask money for his children in Africa, the Hunger Games thing or something.
	And then I had recently one that pretended to be a Hollywood movie star out of England, by the way, an Anthony Hopkins guy.
	And I debunked him.
	And I'm not bragging about it.
	I'm just telling people the profiles are there.
	You just have to be careful because this other person got taken for a lot of their money.
	If they've got money, why are they telling you to invest in their program?
	$100 will get you so much money.
	$500 will get you $5,700 Bitcoins.
	So $500 exchanged into $5,700.
	So the greed factor takes over people and they think, oh my God.
	And then I protected a dentist in Southern California.
	Same thing.
	It was a black ex-marine guy with this white lady.
	He was scamming people on the NASDAQ, claiming he was investing the money.
	And just before it would shut down at two o'clock, when they shut down, he would show that they lost or something.
	He would take a plane flight to Paris, or excuse me, the border of France, bordering Switzerland, Walk across with an unsigned cashier's check and then go sign it at the bank and put it in a Swiss bank.
	That's an actual profile that they've been doing.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And how did that happen, really?
	Because banks used to be limited to a jurisdiction, you know, like if you were in California, you were a California bank.
	You could not cross the borders of that state.
	But the Federal Reserve set up a communication system as far back as like 1964.
	I went to work with my mother and they had a card reader, you know, to read the check, not a card reader, but a reader to sort the checks and then They read the checks through a reader, put it on a hard drive.
	So the barcodes.
	The barcodes.
	Well, it's the magnetic ink on the bottom of the check.
	They didn't have barcodes back at that time.
	But then they would transmit that to the clearing bank in Salt Lake City.
	So they were doing communications for banking as far back as 1964 that I know of for sure.
	That's when they got rid of the silver certificate right after November 22nd, 63.
	Oh, yeah, the $2 bill, for instance, the $2 bill.
	Yeah, that was one thing.
	And then they did away with silver certificates.
	Uh huh.
	But it's all tied in with what you're saying.
	Yeah, they took us off of the gold standard and we went to vaporware.
	Money is vapor, they can just print as much as they want.
	But, but they Eliminated the borders for banking transactions, which is, I assume, how a Nigerian is able to call Americans to scam them out of their money.
	I'm thinking about this other deal that Nixon gave a printing press from the United States Treasury, and I was also at the U.S.
	Mint, so I protected gold and coinage and stuff like that in San Francisco.
	Actually, $1,065.
	Oh, you were at San Francisco?
	I used to go over to the Bureau of the Mint.
	Oh, oh, that's it.
	88 5th Street.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	I shut it down because they were smuggling gold coins out of that building.
	And then after I left there to go to U.S.
	Customs, they shut it down.
	Now it's a bed-and-breakfast museum or something.
	I'll be darned.
	Yeah.
	88 5th Street, folks.
	Look it up.
	Don't look at the swastika on the old lamppost, because down at the base, that's prior to 1906, before the earthquake anyway.
	But the banking systems, oh my God.
	They're all going to convert.
	They're all going to use it.
	And that's how they're stealing the money.
	And I still get calls from people overseas.
	They're trying to use a special system like Zelle is one of them.
	There was another one that a friend of mine tried to get me to sign up for.
	It was WISE.
	W-I-S-E.
	And they were using that to recognize international banking notes from other countries And then if you accepted their money, they would authorize it through this exchange, which had an authorized contract to exchange it.
	Which sounds convenient, because maybe you don't want to get dinars, worthless dinars, but maybe you want to get bots out of Thailand or something.
	So that's going on right now.
	I tried signing up and it sounded fake, so I didn't go through with it.
	Yeah, I have seen Zelle.
	It's being offered by my bank.
	Okay.
	And I wouldn't sign up for it, but I heard recently that the banks won't... they don't back it the same way that they back your bank account.
	It has to be an... Mickey, Zelle is just a money transfer system.
	It's absolutely routine.
	I've used it many, many times.
	There's nothing odd or peculiar about it.
	On Zelle?
	Well, but if your account is hit, it's kind of like you're on your own.
	You know, the bank doesn't back it.
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	Jim, if you can hear me, I sent you an email with some images.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay, no worries.
	I think we can pivot to the Fusion Centers maybe.
	That may be good to kind of delve into.
	I'm sure John has some experience or some info on that too.
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	Casey, we put up a map here of Fusion Centers.
	I take it this is the state of Washington.
	Tell me more.
	Yeah, I mean, it's all part and parcel to what Vicky's talking about, too, with the data gathering, data sharing.
	And so one of the things I've uncovered through what I've done is I started out as a First Amendment auditor.
	I think we talked about this last time on your show, but essentially I was I was using myself as a guinea pig.
	I was handing out full size constitutions, which I received from the Idaho Secretary of State's office.
	And I would take those into the police departments and the sheriff's departments as a litmus test to see if they're lawful or if they're following the Constitution or aware of it, or at least draw attention to it.
	And so after doing a lot of public records requests, I accidentally, I believe, was either on purpose or on someone gave them to me.
	They weren't supposed to or else they just accidentally gave me these these internal flyers from one is from the Spokane Department.
	Well, two are from the Spokane Sheriff's Department.
	One is from the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Police Department.
	And they're basically their internal flyers.
	That is the result of the fusion centers.
	And so every police department, sheriff's department, law enforcement agency, Throughout the country, in your city, etc.
	They all have intelligence analysts and those intelligence analysts are gathering intel and they're sharing it with the fusion centers and there's one fusion center per state.
	There can be more, but the governor basically picks the main one.
	And for instance, in Washington State and Idaho, those fusion centers are run by the state police.
	And so if you want to show any of those posters there, Jim, Well, I was just, I just, I just clicked it off.
	I'll go back.
	Oh, sorry.
	Pick it up.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	There's one.
	So that's an example of, uh, for instance, regional intelligence group nine.
	Uh, that's, that's one, uh, swath of a regional sharing area.
	So the state of Washington is broken up into different areas.
	So the Spokane Sheriff's department produced, produced this flyer here, which shows me going into the sheriff's, uh, actually the Coeur d'Alene police department, I believe it was, uh, with the constitutions, just basically saying.
	That's you.
	They've got you on an intel report.
	So I mean, I'm using this as an example to show people in my community and elsewhere that this is happening to you most likely.
	I mean, in some capacity, maybe not you, but someone, you know, it's just, it's a regular thing that they do.
	It's, you know, these basically say that he's not wanted for any crime, just be on the lookout.
	Uh, first amendment auditor has been acting very, uh, you know, uh, aggressive, I guess.
	So go ahead, John.
	Can I interject real quick?
	Those are the same type of.
	Those are the same type of reports I did officially at U.S.
	Customs for a minimum of 15 years, and it goes into the Treasury Enforcement Computer System.
	Then it gets distributed that I had to put distribution codes, state and local, NCIC, EPIC, DEA, you name it.
	Same system, and you just exposed the part where they're doing regions in their area.
	If it's all in the same state, it's probably going to be state or local, but I'm going to bet it's probably going to be copied to the feds as well.
	Yeah, actually, I sent Jim a large email chain where this was disseminated to, and you can look at those email addresses.
	Yeah, it's one of those, Jim.
	Oh, by the way, I'm a permanent member, life member of California Narcotic Officers Association.
	They also have similar mailings where they have all these official addresses.
	And somebody borrowed a list because they put it in the CC section, which is stupid because they should have put it BCC, and they'll get upset one time when you accidentally send it out, I heard, so that that could be used.
	But yeah, I'm looking at U.S.
	Marshall and all kinds of stuff there, you know.
	Yeah, and Regional Intelligence Group.
	Send me a copy and I'll analyze some of those addresses.
	Yeah, they share it outside of the state.
	So even though it's regional in, you know, Western Washington, or excuse me, Eastern Washington, you know, they're still sharing it over a wide, like the Northwest area.
	There's actually regional, maybe you know about this more, John, but there's more like regional fusion centers or information sharing.
	It's a federal jurisdiction as well, like the federal district.
	You're in the 9th Federal Circuit District, correct?
	Yes sir, I believe so.
	Okay, I just want to make sure you knew that.
	Look down at the bottom, a couple of lines, one, two, three, four, five, six, about eight to ten lines, U.S.
	Marshal, U.S.
	Secret Service, just to get you started.
	I catch those really quick when I scan them, but those are going out to some very interesting people, especially when they do it to my former agency.
	You're a bad guy because you were filming the police department, Casey?
	place that sells state licenses for fishing and hunting fins and feathers i mean just random some of it's kind of weird but you know but it's it's it's a reason they're showing this because you were filming the police department casey that was what put you on their list yeah because i'm filming you know sensitive areas basically you know so it just really just showed it shows where we are This was actually in back in 2017, 2018.
	When these are when these reports are from, so your relatives right now, and so we actually found a little bit.
	Uh, locally, we found that our local human rights, uh, groups like the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations are tied at the hip with the DOJ and the FBI.
	And I have emails where these people are proactively reporting, for instance, a Catholic rosary walk at an adjacent, uh, park where they were having a pride event.
	Uh, there was a Catholic rosary walk in another park nearby and the people that were running the pride event.
	What's there to be proud about being a sodomite?
	I've never figured that out.
	What is there for us to rejoice about anal sex, for example?
	it to the FBI.
	And I have those emails.
	What's there to be proud about being a sodomite?
	I've never figured that out.
	What is there for us to rejoice about anal sex, for example?
	I mean, John, it's just ridiculous what this country has become under the Democrats.
	Now, I'm soaking all this up because I've seen other people on YouTube.
	I've reached out to people that purposely go to law enforcement.
	One was a probation office, and this guy goes in there just to film cars because they've got license plates that aren't showing proper stickers, not properly displayed.
	And then the probation department's coming out, and I said, well, he's going to take a chance with that one because there's still law enforcement and they have undercover cars.
	They're covered plates, that kind of thing.
	I was looking at this.
	For our friend here.
	And I said, well, this is no arrests at this time or something.
	And I was saying, not yet joke, but be careful.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't, I don't do the first amendment auditing thing anymore.
	I just do, I'm just an investigative journalist and videographer.
	Other people want to pretend there's something else like that idiot James at Veritas, who's a ambush journalist.
	And he just goes out there and illegally records everybody about anything.
	And he almost got assaulted a couple of times because they think they're going up busting bad guys, you know.
	James O'Keefe.
	What that shows, what Casey's experience showed, is the structure of the police state.
	And it also exposes the fifth column in our local communities.
	And there, sorry about that. - Yes.
	Not a problem.
	We have fifth columns in our local communities that are working with the city officials and law enforcement officials, of course, the Department of Justice.
	And what they're doing, they're watching everybody and they are reporting anybody that has any beliefs that they don't like.
	And so that's why, you know, they went to all that trouble for Casey, even though he's never been in trouble at all.
	And so, but now Casey has a record with the Department of Justice or in the Fusion Center as if he is somebody that is important enough to waste computer resources on.
	Well, he's probably ordered on a lookout through the intel system through Customs Immigration at the border, kind of like Scott Ritter was going to go somewhere, and they pulled him because he was in their lookout system.
	It doesn't take much.
	You go on the computer.
	I have suspicion about some traveler, and I can put it in there.
	It's very lax based on who you are, but I put real stuff in there.
	But if they put him in there, it's no different than a U.S.
	Marshal or a Federal Air Marshal.
	That I was researching or something.
	So, have you guys traveled outside the state or come across a checkpoint or traveled outside the U.S.
	and had to show your passport and you're familiar with the state of California federally approving your ID card because you show a passport or birth certificate?
	Federally approved was the term I was trying to spit out.
	So you could travel from state to state on a plane domestically, but technically they're actually doing it through the federal system, which is not a real passport, but you don't really need a passport if you're a U.S.
	citizen, but they're playing the same game.
	Eventually it will get to a restriction.
	Yeah, it's an internal ID.
	Yeah.
	About, I don't know, five, six years ago or so, Idaho changed their driver's licenses to, in order to cross state borders or something, your license had to have a star on it.
	There you go.
	Which to me meant that there was a database that, you know, was authorizing you for internal transportation purposes.
	I did not get it because I quit flying in about 2008 because of the police tactics that they were using in the airports.
	And I don't know, I have a hot temper.
	Vicki, I think it's still the case that you have to have what they call a federal driver's license with a star if you want to use it to gain access to airplanes.
	And I mean, I had to go through that process.
	I had a regular ID and I had to go and get a A federal and, you know, you had to have like your birth certificate or a valid pass.
	I mean, it was pretty elaborate, you know.
	Let me tell you a quick story.
	I had mine upgraded 35 bucks when I went to go get it online.
	I could just pay the money online.
	But then I said, oh, you can get it federally approved.
	So I said, OK, and you have to go into the DMV, California.
	But they wanted, first off, if you had a passport, that you could just show a passport, which I'm an Immigration Customs Cross-Designated official that I check passports as U.S. Customs official for 15 years.
	I know all the documents.
	I know what goes.
	I showed them my expired passport.
	I had an expired passport ID card, the short one.
	They wouldn't accept it at the California DMV.
	Oh, well, do you have your birth certificate?
	Yeah, sure.
	Here it is.
	Right out of Oklahoma.
	There you go.
	I could have picked it up off the street.
	Oh, we'll take that.
	Your expiration dates of your citizenship never expire unless you go and specifically leave the country, disavow yourself like Lee Harvey Oswald or something, and get a dual citizenship in Russia.
	So these people don't understand, but I still got it upgraded and changed anyway.
	A U.S.
	passport, expired or not, folks, is still good at the border, and you'll get some immigration or some idiot.
	I won't describe his profile, but they'll just say, oh, you got to have your passport.
	You got to have this.
	No, you don't.
	You can have an expired passport forever and ever and still show it to them, and that's you.
	Same name, date of birth, and where you were born.
	U.S.
	citizen, born in the United States, that kind of thing.
	So, Well, I mean, yeah, and that might be true that it's still legitimate, but that doesn't mean that the moron at the border that's checking it, which they have downgraded qualifications for federal jobs across the board.
	I believe it.
	And yeah, so, so I didn't, I didn't do that.
	I haven't done it and I won't do it.
	Is it still about 35 bucks though to upgrade it?
	Oh yeah, probably.
	I think it was probably the same price as a regular driver's license.
	And that's under Gavin Newsom in California.
	Uh-huh.
	Think about that.
	Well, same in Idaho though.
	It's the same in Idaho because it's the same.
	It's a national ID.
	Right.
	So it's going to be in NADIS, NCIC, the state and local narcotics intel databases.
	There's dozens of them.
	And they'll all be interchanged to track you, And monitor your patterns.
	And if it's chipped out, folks, they are chipped out.
	Passports, driver's license, ID cards.
	That's why I keep my stuff in a special RFID blocking envelope because they can track you.
	Yeah.
	Well, and that's the police state technology.
	And all of these systems, you know, like the intelligence system, driver's license system, the license plate, they are all integrated systems.
	And they are all tracking everything you do, all the time.
	And so, that's, it truly is a police state system.
	It would have been Stalin's dream system.
	Okay.
	That's just a little card I was showing to kind of suggest to people.
	If they wanted to get something called Deaf Protection, it actually blocks, it cloaks the cell phone and it will block the GPS so they can't track you.
	That's a system.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, that's nice.
	That's nice, John.
	Yeah, it's a flip phone.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, DEAF.
	I got a little flip phone too, Don.
	Oh, there you go.
	There you go.
	So you're into the technology stuff.
	This is a military-grade encrypted phone.
	I'm a low-tech guy when it comes to these things, but they put all this spyware on there, you know.
	You don't want a higher-grade phone.
	It works, it works, because all those people that were protesting in Paris just in the last year, they took all the readings off of their Droid smartphones and they located them and arrested every one of those people that came up on the screen for that local area.
	Yeah, well, and for the J6ers, a lot of the J6ers were arrested based on the location of their phone too.
	Laptops, iPads, all of those.
	Casey, I want to get you back in here.
	Give us some of your further thoughts.
	Um, I just, you know, I just want to make people aware that this is happening.
	And as far as the police state is concerned is fusion centers.
	And this is, this is serious.
	This is a big deal because the, the, uh, department of justice launched a program.
	We talked about this last time too, but I, it's important for me to reiterate this.
	They have launched a program.
	The DOJ has called United against hate.
	And it was launched in 2022 at the white house in an event called United.
	We stand.
	And Merrick Garland ordered all 94 U.S.
	District Attorney's Offices to participate in this program.
	And locally, for instance, our local DOJ, the U.S.
	District Attorney's Office of Idaho, the FBI, local FBI agents, our local Cooney County Task Force on Human Relations, other human rights groups are encouraging the public to report hate incidences to the FBI and DOJ.
	And which could later be translated into hate crimes.
	And essentially a hate incident is someone who has a bias and expresses it maybe verbally against someone of race, religion, gender, etc.
	And so those hate incidences are documented.
	And then if somebody does commit a crime, which they would maybe consider a hate crime, Based on those those other prerequisites, then those other hate incidences could be tacked on as hate crime.
	So we're in a very dangerous place in America right now.
	Our local city council just passed a hate crime ordinance and gave more local law more teeth.
	And so we'll see.
	It's all it's all manipulated.
	There is no hate speech, all speech.
	Invincible except for very rare calling out fire in a crowded theater.
	The whole point is to protect controversial speech.
	Popular speech doesn't need any protection.
	If people are saying things you may not want to hear, which is why they're calling it hate speech, so they can manufacture a new category for legal abuse of constitutional rights, they actually want to sabotage the First Amendment completely to make only approved speech permissible.
	It is disgusting beyond words.
	Casey, you're right on it.
	That's why I post on the internet, on Facebook, the Privacy Act, no, I'm sorry, the Fair Use Act 1976, Section 107.
	After that, they stopped bothering me, because I had to educate these idiots in Indonesia who were these cyber snipers on Facebook about community standards, hired under Mark Zuckerberg.
	So the Fair Use Act 1976, Section 107 is right in there for educational purposes, etc.
	First Amendment stuff.
	Casey, Vicki.
	Vicki?
	In the future, the reason why I work on this all the time is because in the future, if we are unable to stop the implementation of the police state, there will be no freedom whatsoever.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely none.
	From cradle to grave, our grandchildren will be slaves of the system.
	Watched and controlled and monitored their whole entire lives.
	And I just can't stand the idea of that, the thought of that.
	And so that's why I work on this all the time and try to explain to people this technocratic tyranny that is being implemented across the United States.
	Yeah, my website is thetechnocratictyranny.com and I have all the documentation there and I have earlier documentation on a website called channelingreality.com.
	Those were the early days when I was trying to figure out what the heck is going on.
	But both of those websites are written around and about the systems of command and control that are being implemented.
	And I do my best to explain it, but it's a big, big picture.
	And then people can follow you every Saturday on GovernAmerica.
	That's GovernAmerica.com with Darren Weeks.
	And what time is that on?
	It's on, it starts at nine o'clock Mountain Time, which I guess is 10 o'clock Central Time.
	How exactly do we find the show on the, on the internet?
	Where do we find it?
	What's the URL?
	Just GovernAmerica.com.
	GovernAmerica.com.
	Excellent, Vicki.
	I'm delighted you could join today.
	This is excellent stuff.
	Give us a summary overview, as you see it, and any websites you'd like to mention in addition.
	Sure, sure.
	Thank you so much, Jim, for having us on today.
	Yeah, this is a very important issue that we are being monitored by law enforcement in conjunction, again, with people that have a certain social ideology.
	And the, I would say, conservatives, Christians, etc.
	need to have reason for concern right now.
	And you can follow my work.
	I'm continually doing public records requests and exposing things, at least in my area, to use as a template for the rest of the nation, basically, for people that are interested.
	And you can follow my work at Casey underscore Whalen.
	That's W-H-A-L-E-N on X. I'm on Substack.
	Caseywhalen.substack.com.
	And on Rumble, my platform is North Idaho Exposed, where I host a lot of videos and that sort of thing.
	So thank you for having me on the show.
	Excellent, Casey.
	I think those police flyers are a badge of honor, my friend.
	That shows you're doing something they don't like, which is all to the good.
	John, give us your overall reflections about all these issues.
	Yeah, those are really good subjects.
	At least we didn't get bored with just doing a few of the regular stuff, which is interesting.
	I hope to talk to both Casey and Vicki afterwards and continually.
	I'm going to look up their information as well.
	I'm still fighting the system.
	I came up with a new Bichu channel recently, so I sent you the links real quick.
	Because that's constantly being updated with all the stuff on the Trump thing and so forth.
	You can check me out on CustomsCorruption.com and a Venmo account, John-Carman-17, if you want to make a donation.
	But yeah, you guys came up with some really good stuff today.
	I like that.
	Thank you so much.
	Excellent.
	Vicki, you want to add a final thought?
	Yeah.
	Would really like to talk to John, you know, show him what I have.
	Because everybody that understands this, that can explain it, we need people out there explaining it.
	And for people to know that it's real.
	It's not just made up.
	I mean, they've got integrated systems where they're building the full police state.
	And there will be no freedom in the future if this continues.
	So that's so important.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Casey, have I no thought?
	I encourage people to do public records requests.
	They're very easy to do.
	You can contact me if you're interested.
	NorthIdahoExposed at ProtonMail.com.
	Essentially, most of my records requests are one sentence, and I'm just scraping an email domain for a particular keyword or keywords in a short date range.
	That's really it's that easy.
	And once you start doing that, maybe once a week, you'll be surprised at the results and how effective you can be fighting back against corruption and tyranny in your community.
	Thank you, Casey.
	John, I think it was fortuitous to have Casey and Vicki on today with you.
	I thought the blend was simply excellent.
	Lots of great.
	Yeah.
	Hey, by the way, the police are monitoring your license plates automatically.
	They have automatic license plate readers.
	Just driving through a traffic, they could pick up license plates front and back.
	That kind of thing.
	And the sides.
	Yeah, I got a ticket because of that.
	There wasn't even a cop behind me as I was driving home, but then all of a sudden one appeared out of nowhere, gave me a ticket for an expired license plate.
	Oh, in California, it's a 4008.
	It's the easiest.
	Thank you.
	Thank you all for a wonderful, wonderful discussion.
	Everyone in Revolution Radio Land, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about, because we do not know how much time we have left.
	And support Revolution Radio.
	Have a great weekend.
	Back on Monday.
	Thank you very much.
	Nice to meet you, Vicki.
	Yeah, nice to meet you, too.
	Hey, Casey.
	Yeah, you too, John.
	Thank you so much.
	I was hesitating.
	I'm still in the coffee glitch here, you know.
	It's all good.
	We'll stay in touch.
	All right.
	Sounds good.
	Thank you so much.
	Take care.

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