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The Raw Deal (3 May 2024) with Dr. Katherine Horton

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	You know I need someone.
	When I was young, so much younger than today.
	I never needed anybody's help in any way.
	But now these days I find I'm not so self-assured.
	Now I find I've changed my mind, I'm open up the door.
	Help me if you can, I'm feeling down.
	And I do appreciate you being around.
	Help me get my feet back on the ground.
	Won't you please help me?
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, this third day of May, 2024.
	We have lots of stories to report, including developments in Ukraine, unsurprisingly.
	I anticipate being joined later today, by the way, by a very special featured guest I'll introduce at the time.
	A ground assault is taking place as Russian forces enter a key Donbass city from three different directions.
	This is very much a mopping up of the events in the Donbass.
	Pro-Russian telegram channels, where the intel from the frontiers arrives faster than anywhere else, announce the Russian ground assault into Chezhov Yar, a key Ukrainian city in Donbass, has begun.
	This battle will dictate the immediate future of the Russian Donetsk Oblast offensive May have a catastrophic effect to the already crumbling morale of Ukrainian defenders.
	It's been widely reported that Ukrainian President Zelensky ordered his top general, Oksana Sirsky, to hold the city at all costs, at least until Victory Day, a Russian holiday celebrated on May 9th.
	It appears most unlikely it will play out that way.
	Meanwhile, NATO Always in the forefront when it comes to stupidity has made a request for nuclear weapons to be stored there, which obviously will make it a prime target for Russia should this war progress to stages we all hope will not come to pass.
	Meanwhile, too, the Russian Houthis Turned out to be back in action.
	They're doing a sensational job resuming their attacks in the Red Sea with full force.
	I am so in admiration of them having fought for their freedom and independence and taking control of Yemen.
	The Iran allowed Houthis in Yemen resumed attacks against ships affiliated with Israel, the United States, and the United Kingdom after a tactical pause.
	The group began attacking Israeli-affiliated ships in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden last November.
	Later in January, it began to attack ships owned by the U.S.
	and U.K.
	after the two countries launched strikes against Yemen.
	Their operations were also expanded into the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean.
	Indeed, it's shocking to me How blatantly the U.S.
	and the U.K.
	have violated international law by attacking Yemen, which conducted itself, as has Iran, completely in accordance with international law by announcing in advance that it was only going to attack ships that were headed to Israel with goods and supplies that wouldn't attack any other ships,
	Nevertheless, the United States and the UK, although they were not themselves targeted, have attacked the Houthis in Yemen again and again and again, but they're battle-hardened, they're battle-weary, they have a ferocious military.
	I'm delighted to say my guest for today has joined Her name, Dr. Katherine Horton.
	She's a particle physicist from Oxford.
	She and I have done numerous events together before, including her speaking at all four of my Volkswagen Conspiracy Conference.
	You can go to my blog at jameshfetzer.org.
	And find them there.
	But on my Twitter, I recently reposted a false flag alert where Catherine and I had done a review of 10 or 12 different false flags, and where she added terrific contributions to the discussion.
	And so that's up on my Twitter, at Jim Fetzer, and I will include it in the stories for today.
	Catherine, it's just a delight to have you here with me on the Raw Deal.
	It's been way too long.
	How are you, fairy?
	Well, Bill and I had a very interesting time.
	There were lots of things that happened ever since I came to the US.
	Things have gone pretty insane regarding targeting.
	So while all this is going on, while all the targeting in Gaza and Ukraine and all around the world is raging, there's also a silent war in the United States.
	fought with military weapons, you know, as deadly, if not more terrifying than the one they fight abroad, you know.
	And so what Bill and I have been doing is really just trying to survive the last couple of months.
	So it's, yeah, it has been a very, very rough ride, really.
	Ever since the, you know, conference that I attended last, I don't think we managed to get any of our projects done or even get any traction with them.
	Because of the intensity of the attacks.
	And it very much seems to me like we're now at the stage where they are attacking anybody who has two brain cells to rub together to question anything they are doing.
	So yeah, it's a very dire situation the world's in.
	Just to provide a bit of context for those who may not know, Catherine has led the fight against targeted individuals in the ports, especially of the United Kingdom, and has been a champion of the rights of those who've been hit with directed energy weapons and the like, of which she herself has been a targeted individual.
	And when she mentioned Bill, this is not just any Bill, this is Bill Binney, who is our leading cybersecurity expert, someone I admire beyond words, as indeed I do Catherine, who exposed that the alleged Russian hacking at the DNC had been done in the Eastern time zone at a rate far too fast to have been
	Done by distant sources and which appear to have been done by Seth Rich, a Bernie Sanders supporter, was extremely upset at the DNC had switched 13 primaries.
	Bernie had won to Hillary's column so they could make her their preordained candidate.
	You know, Catherine, it's ironic because I believe that Bernie would have had a very good chance to win that election.
	He had a lot of attributes that were very timely.
	Hillary is widely disliked and despised.
	They were going way out of their way to rig the election for Hillary, even including phony polls, over-sampling Democrats, over-sampling women, over-sampling progressives.
	I was doing exposés at the time.
	But Trump, of course, wound up receiving a massive outpouring from the rural community where they were unable to rig it.
	In other words, as Richard Charnin, who's an expert on election theft, has explained to me, if you're going to steal an election, you've got to go where the votes are.
	The votes are in the cities.
	That's where they're concentrated.
	They had all those rigged.
	But the outpouring for Trump From rural areas where they'd been unable to rig made the difference.
	They wouldn't let it happen again, so that 2020 they went way out of their way.
	My best guess is that Trump probably also earned over 100 million votes and Biden about 37.
	I mean, it would have been lopsided, but for the manipulation of the outcome.
	Yeah, you can actually, so speaking as somebody who's, you know, does statistics for for living or used to write as a particle physicist, you can already map out the end of the result if there's no manipulation.
	You know, you probably remember how the vote went one way and then the polls were shut down and then the vote went another way.
	So this is statistically impossible to come up naturally because during the day, but once the most of the day is completed, you know, Every person, it's like a proper random sampling, a neutral sampling of the opinion.
	So you actually expect to see the same ratio all throughout.
	So as soon as there's any sudden trend, so suddenly a candidate overtakes another, You already have to ask questions, right?
	It could be that a certain region is coming online, the votes are being counted, and they are particularly brainwashed or particularly, you know, opinionated one way or the other.
	But overall, by the time the, you know, I mean, Trump himself said he went to bed expecting to have won, and then woke up to find that Biden had won.
	I mean, this is impossible, all right?
	So that's already smoking gun evidence that, you know, It's being rigged.
	But in everything, take 9-11, take the false flag operations, take the rigging of the 2020 election, which, by the way, you're not even allowed to talk about on YouTube.
	You will get cancelled faster than you can blink.
	And in all of these things, there's fundamental underlying discrepancies that show that the whole thing is a sham.
	And typically, they violate the laws of mathematics, statistics, or the laws of physics.
	I mean, there were so many things in the official theory of 9-11 that just violated the laws of physics.
	It was nonsense.
	You know, a schoolchild could have looked up that, you know, kerosene can't melt steel, support beams, etc, etc.
	That's just one of those things.
	But similarly, in all the false flag operations, there's missing or vanishing bullets, missing blood, or missing bullet holes.
	So, you know, Really, the way I phrased it to Bill the other day is, I very much feel like the dumb kids in class have taken over the school and they are just running riot.
	And anybody who actually knows the subject matter and takes their work and their profession seriously, just sees all these, you know, insanities left, right and center.
	And the question is, when are the smart kids gonna wise up and take the school back?
	You know, that really is the thing.
	Because the problem with smart kids is that they tend to be very meek, very quiet, very introverted.
	You're not going to win a war that way.
	That's the ultimate problem.
	I mean, look at also, in any field, there was the takeover by complete idiots and psychopaths in medicine during the fake-ass pandemic.
	There's also a complete takeover of medicine when they are discussing the so-called vaccines, which I prefer to call the mystery injections.
	So the mystery injections, what they might contain, nobody really knows, really.
	And also there's indication that different batches contained different stuff.
	So it very much looks like there was set, you know, human experimentation programs that were distinct.
	You know, there were big differences between the side effects between certain countries and even certain regions within countries when you look carefully.
	So who knows what the hell they did with us, right?
	But when are we, when are the smart people going to fight back?
	And how?
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	All of the above.
	I want to talk about how we're going to go to war, Jim.
	How are we going to mess these people right up?
	I'm glad how you bring up 9-11 because, you know, it's interesting, Donald Trump, who now seems to me to have gone over to the dark side, and I'll explain.
	Because I have a couple of clips where he, for example, the other night called into the Hannity Show and started saying how we got to stop all this anti-Semitism taking place when it's protesting against genocide being committed by Israel and how the House has rushed through an anti-Semitism bill that's an absurdity.
	I have a whole lot about it for us to discuss.
	The day after 9-11, Trump was the first celebrity who was interviewed by a local New York station, suggesting something was wrong.
	He said that the builders who constructed the World Trade Center were working for him now, and that there was no way in which planes could have caused those buildings to collapse.
	As you and I know, they didn't actually collapse.
	They were destroyed from the top down, blowing apart in every direction, being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.
	It was a sophisticated ob.
	And when it was over, they were reduced to ground level.
	The Twin Tower 1 and 2, unlike Building 7, which actually did come down in a classic controlled demolition, roughly to Speed of freefall, and left what we have, we know from experience, about 12% of the original height in debris from other controlled demolitions of stadiums, of casinos, resorts in Las Vegas, for example.
	A 47-story building that left 5.5, 5 1⁄2 floors of debris, 12%, 47.
	5.5 floors of debris, 12%, 47%.
	So for these 110-story buildings, it would have had to have been like 13.5 floors, but they weren't there.
	Father Frank Morales from St.
	Mark's Abysmal Church.
	They were vaporized.
	Which weapons can we think about that can vaporize or dustify, as Dr. Judy Wood says, can dustify a building?
	Yes, and it turns out converting materials into very fine dust is a characteristic effect of the use of nuclear devices and the U.S.
	Geological Survey studied 35 locations in lower Manhattan and found elements that would not have been there had this not been a nuclear event.
	Barium, strontium, lithium, lanthanum, Some of which only exist in radioactive forms, where I founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth in December of 2005 and brought together experts from around the world, hundreds upon hundreds, physicists, engineers, pilots, and the like, and it was glorious because we put together our resources, and of course as you're observing,
	There were too many effects that weren't even physically possible.
	It took a year and a half for Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds to convince me to look at the videos of the aircraft, that something was funny there.
	And when you discover Flight 175 disappears its whole length into this building in the same number of frames it passes its whole length through air, That there are no collision effects, no diminution in velocity.
	You know, this is a physical absurdity unless a massive 500,000 ton building provides no more resistance to the trajectory of an aircraft in flight than air.
	A real true redactio.
	You know, you go from there.
	But the American people, I'm sorry to say, are very unsophisticated and gullible.
	Well, I think the Common Core Education Program had its hand in that.
	You know, by the way, that is not by surprise.
	I was shocked, and this will come across really bad, and I mean it in the most loving way, but when I came over from Europe, I was just shocked how dumbed down people were.
	The average.
	I mean, look, not everybody is a professor of biochemistry.
	I understand that.
	Absolutely.
	But when you're going around talking to taxi drivers, janitors, window cleaners in Europe, there's a baseline that is decidedly higher.
	You know, even people who come from the Middle East, there's like a critical baseline.
	And what I mean is a baseline of critical thinking.
	That's what I meant to say.
	That has been wiped out in America.
	Really, it's quite shocking.
	People have been abused so systematically and they've understood that they've been robbed blind and screwed over and disadvantaged compared to other countries that they begin to wake up.
	I mean you can only be so long living paycheck to paycheck While working two jobs before you think what the heck is going on, right?
	So it is coming back but the Americans start from basically they work with handicap 16 compared to everybody else, you know.
	And in a sense it is a natural progression because what happened to the previous two generations, the boomers and Generation X here in the United States is that The system worked fairly well for them, especially the boomers.
	They saw economic boom.
	They had, you know, the rise in the astronomical rise in house prices.
	They built up wealth and they all thought, oh, it's because I work so hard.
	But there are other, you know, countries, other generations who work equally hard and they are burdened with student debt.
	They are burdened with, you know, all sorts.
	They can't really get the same jobs because anything that produces anything has been shipped off to Asia.
	There's this big disparity, but the truth is, and I have the same problem in Germany, by the way, the baby boomer generation in Germany amassed fabulous wealth and had a wonderful life.
	They don't understand what the hell the problem is.
	You know, they really don't.
	But then there are other generations who have been screwed over quite systematically and understood that the system is rigged, as Trump put it himself.
	And they are much more critical.
	So the younger generations looked into 9-11 immediately.
	All my classmates.
	I mean, I just, you know, I had started my first year of university.
	I was, I think, into my second year of university when this happened.
	And I was visiting school friends in Germany.
	We were just in a bar when 9-11 was announced on the on the screens.
	And You know, the Germans, because they have been historically in the school battered into the ground, they're not allowed to say any, you know, opinion that's maybe, you know, critical immediately, you know, it has to be backed up by research.
	So they were all just expressing how betroffen, how, how affected they were, and they just expressed their sympathy.
	Towards, you know, the victims.
	That was all.
	Meanwhile, I just looked at this and I thought, what the hell is that?
	You know, this is, knowing what I even knew as a school student about the American security apparatus, it was impossible to come about.
	You know, a plane approaching New York would be shot down.
	You know, it's nonsense.
	So I just thought, what the hell?
	So I had to take a train ride, you know, to my home in a rural community.
	And my father picked me up from the train station in the middle of nowhere.
	And his first words to me were, have you heard how the Americans took down the towers?
	That was the conclusion of former refugees and immigrants.
	We knew it was bullshit.
	There was no debate.
	Nobody had to argue like, oh, bad conspiracy theory.
	No, it's like, have you heard?
	He heard it on the radio driving to the train station.
	When we arrived at home, my mom said almost the same thing.
	She said, have you heard what the Americans have done?
	Have you heard about the towers?
	It was the Americans, it was the system, the local, you know, secret services, military, whoever the hell had, you know, had their finger on the plans.
	But, you know, none of this like, oh, Muslim terrorist, it just didn't stick.
	So when you have been abused by the system, as much as my People in Transylvania, in Communist Romania, you don't believe a bleeding word they are saying.
	You make up your own mind and you look at, okay, what do we know about the system and what is most likely?
	And now, you know, it took, what, 15 years to amass all this high-level scientific evidence to show that the government's story is complete balonium.
	Right?
	Yes.
	But then what happens?
	What happens, right?
	You know, I sometimes say the Americans are this close, they are this close, they amassed all this information, but now what is the conclusion?
	So if that wasn't a story, what is the truth, right?
	What is the truth?
	Try to figure out, like, who could have pulled it off, right?
	If it wasn't them, if the official story is complete bullshit, who could have pulled it off and who was involved?
	Right?
	Because, by the way, the so-called Muslim terrorists, you know, flew from Hamburg Airport in Germany.
	Hamburg Airport, Germany.
	And there was a whole timing issue with the plane that they were on, because my best friend happened to be on the flight that was scheduled to fly just before the one that they were on, by pure coincidence.
	And her flight was delayed by six hours on the runway.
	And nobody ever came up with an explanation of why.
	You know, why?
	So, why do you hold a flight from Hamburg going to New York for six hours on the runway?
	What the hell was going on?
	Well, there was a lot of logistics, a lot of things had to come, you know, certain planes had to come this way and that way.
	So, oh, Germany was involved, for sure.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	airline scheduling was involved, to time it all perfectly to make everything work.
	So this was something that was in preparation for weeks, months, years.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I dated from the late 1980s, just before the collapse of the Soviet Union, where Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Umar wanted to devise a plan that would draw American forces into the Middle East to be used to take out the modern Arab states, That sort of is a counterbalance to Israel's growth into the greater Israel and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran.
	And they were pretty successful right up to the point where Russian and Iranian troops entered into Syria to bring it to a halt.
	Paul Greg Roberts believes what's going on right now in Israel is actually an extension of 9-11, that they want to finish the job.
	Just to make one or two points about the many you've advanced.
	Of course, planes approaching New York wouldn't be shot down because you've got Liguati and JFK, Dulles Airport, but you would not have any planes approaching the Pentagon.
	I mean, the whole idea of a plane is just an absurdity!
	Yes.
	Now, this gets me back to Trump.
	You know, I mean, I've published two, two and a half, call it, because I contributed to A memorandum that was edited by Robert David Steele, where I brought in about half of the contributors on 9-11, for guess who?
	The then President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
	We also did a memorandum on Sandy Hook, but I've also, of course, published two other books about 9-11, one entitled The 9-11 Conspiracy, The Scamming of America in 2007, and the other
	America nuked on 9-11, 2017, where I brought together other groups of experts to sort it out, but the fact is it was brought to us compliments of the CIA, the neocons, and the Department of Defense, and the Mossad.
	It was CIA that granted visas to some 200 Mossad agents posing as art students who came into New York, and they had a major role.
	Some of them revealed themselves as the dancing Israelis, Yes.
	Most people don't know this story, Catherine, but the New York PD were really effective on that occasion because they stopped multiple attempts to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge, the Holland Tunnel, the Lincoln Tunnel.
	The master plan really was to isolate Manhattan.
	And you know, I've had years later after I began lecturing on all this, and I've been flown around the world to talk about 9-11 as well as JFK, not a little old lady from Brooklyn called me and say how the rabbi had told the members of her synagogue not to go into New York City that day.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She just wanted me to know, you know.
	We have a lot of that.
	This messaging service, Odego, is telling Jewish workers not to come to the World Trade Center, on and on and on.
	Now, the point I'm making is, and it's going to have a payoff when we look at what Trump is doing, talking about anti-Semitism, which is really criticism of Israel for genocide.
	I mean, if you cannot protest genocide, what point is there in being American?
	Catherine, we'll be right back after this break.
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	Among the recent absurdities, Catherine, is Bebe Net now, who's saying an ICC arrest warrant would be an anti-submitigated crime.
	Yeah.
	Any criticism of Bibi, of course, is anti-Semitic.
	So an awful lot of Israelis are anti-Semites because they're critical of Bibi.
	They'd like to have him out.
	I mean, this whole thing, I think, about anti-Semitism is coming to a head because it's been so abused so persistently, just by way of background in some of our other conversation,
	We have all these events taking place at Columbia, of course, most conspicuously, but UCLA, Southern Cal, North Carolina Chapel Hill, a whole lot of campuses, University of Michigan, and what has been the response?
	The House has passed an anti-Semitism awareness act to Silence.
	Criticism of Israel is hate speech.
	Now, the very concept of hate speech, it seems to me to be an absurdity.
	They're calling hate speech anything that offends anybody, and they're using it, you know, to promote the LGBTQ agenda.
	Anything that offends anyone, but that's the whole point of free speech is to protect speech that does offend people.
	It's to protect offensive speech, speech you don't want to hear.
	That's the whole point.
	Popular speech, conventional speech doesn't require any protection, but the Congress, the House so far, and I'm hoping this is going to be put to an end in the Senate, Thomas Massey warned Wednesday the House today will vote on a bill to define anti-Semitism with the intent to increase prosecutions of activities on campuses.
	The bill has a problem beyond violating the First Amendment.
	The definition of anti-Semitism appears nowhere in the bill.
	There's all kinds of stuff there that's going to be attacked.
	It's poorly conceived, unconstitutional, no doubt about it.
	Calling for aiding or justifying the killing or harassing of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or extremist view of religion.
	That's probably the closest to a legitimate objection one might have.
	Making a mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, stereotypical allegation about Jews, such as the power of Jews in collecting, thus especially, but not exclusively, the myth of a world Jewish conspiracy, or of Jews controlling the media, the economy, government, or other societal institutions, maybe Hollywood, for example, Catherine, there's no doubt these are all true.
	I mean, the Jews have been kicked out of like 105 different nations historically.
	This is just incredible.
	of their own nations.
	Catherine, there's no doubt these are all true.
	I mean, the Jews have been kicked out of like 105 different nations historically.
	This is just incredible.
	It's like they want to use this opportunity to clear the deck, to make it impossible to criticize Israel on any ground whatsoever.
	It's not going to play out.
	I mean, over the short term, they're having success.
	They're brutalizing students.
	They're hauling them off in paddy wagons.
	They're going to prosecute them.
	But honest to God, it's waking up especially The Christian Zionist community here in America that has never realized that Zionism and Christianity are antithetical because the Zionists would just as soon kill all the Christians, Catherine!
	I mean, it's been to me just astounding how this very significant and influential community in the United States has held antithetical beliefs and not realized what it really meant For now, the ongoing onslaught in Gaza and all this expansion of the meaning of anti-Semitism, they are in shock.
	I am told by friends who are in the community that the evangelical community is just in shock over all of these developments.
	Your thoughts?
	Okay, my thoughts then, you know, my thoughts will be, I mean, I agree with everything that you said.
	I agree with all this.
	I have a couple of thoughts that, you know, I will try to take the picture that to me looks accurate but wonky and turn it a bit.
	All right, let's factor in some reality because, okay, number one, the very first one, I think all religions at some point as a clause of self-protection will appeal to kill all non-believers, you know.
	I mean, Islam has that, you know.
	And it's like, okay, it's written, but nobody really takes it all in, you know.
	I don't know.
	Nobody really practices that.
	It can be weaponized, and that's exactly what it's for in all these religions.
	It's a mechanism to weaponize it as necessary.
	But again, I really think that it's not even the state of Israel, which again contains so many people.
	It's not the state of Israel, the nation of Israel doing it.
	It is a subset.
	It is a very specific international network pulling this off that can mobilize US people, British people, European people everywhere.
	It can mobilize people in the Middle East.
	It can mobilize people in Israel.
	But it's again, it's a subset because all of this nonsense came out of nowhere.
	There was again, so many odd things.
	For example, as soon as the attacks, the original attacks were launched, journalists that had before been covering, like 24 hours before covering Ukraine, were already at the scene.
	It's almost like they knew the shit's gonna come down and that's gonna be the next big thing, you know?
	And again, if we zoom out and have a bit of just reality check, how can it be that we had all this like Muslim terrorism, Muslim terrorism over absolutely years because that was the biggest thing.
	And then during COVID, it just switched off, right?
	It was very COVID, COVID, COVID.
	Nobody thought of launching a terrorist attack because it would have been perfect.
	Nobody was out doing anything.
	You could have fucked up the whole country if you wanted to, right?
	But they didn't.
	It was just so polite.
	And then COVID itself happened to stop precisely in time for Ukraine to kick off.
	So you have these very tightly choreographed blocks, none of which touch each other.
	They don't Bleed into each other.
	It's almost like there's a network with a finite amount of manpower, right?
	A finite amount of manpower and they can stage manage this and then they can stage manage that but they can't do both.
	Right.
	Which again, already gives you an idea of the size.
	I mean, it's not infinite, infinite number of people involved, but they have to very carefully, you know, they can fill our heads with that, but they know our capacity is limited.
	So they have to now fill our heads with that.
	And right now, everybody has forgotten about Ukraine and all the billions that will keep going there.
	Right.
	So it's, you know, And really, this is not new.
	If you look back in history, once you figure out the pattern and you know what shit shows are being pulled off, you can look back through history and find the exact same methods, the exact same techniques, and also the exact same symbols.
	Because to their own people, to this vast network, they have to communicate what's going on.
	What everybody is expected to do and what they have to focus on, right?
	Because their members are not the bright kids in class, so you have to give them a lot of assistance to be able to pull it off, right?
	Because there's the people who actually do this nonsense and then there are the foot soldiers all the way down.
	Now, one of the things that I find highly, you know, I mean, the protest could be justified or not justified, whatever.
	I, as a scientist, would like to zoom out and do some reality check, you know, on the big picture.
	And as I just said, the most striking thing about people in the US, especially the young generation, is how freaking dumb they are.
	So, I have met people just recently who didn't know where Toronto was They have completed their school degree, got a nice, you know, certificate.
	They don't even know where frickin' Toronto is.
	They won't know where Gaza is.
	They can't point it out on a map.
	Are you telling me that suddenly these universities, which are known for one thing, which is churning out really dumb people, suddenly Do all know all the nuances of all this, you know, the nonsense that's been going down the Middle East for absolutely decades, if not, you know, millennia.
	No, they have no freaking clue.
	So who are the people who managed to stage, because I really mean stage, student protests overnight at so many separate institutions?
	They must have been there already.
	The other thing to know about American students in particular Is that they are up to their eyeballs in debt, right?
	They are fucked in all caps, like no generation before, because these student loans have been going through the roof.
	Student loans have now crossed, I think, 1.3 trillion dollars, the highest they have ever been.
	These people are dead slaves until the end of their lives.
	Over half will never pay these back in time.
	Never.
	It's the same ratio in the UK where student loans tend to be in the tens of thousands, like 30,000, 40,000.
	It's already known that about half will never be able to pay it back.
	Now here in the US, student loans are insane.
	If you have these massive student loans and you're at university, I mean, I don't know, maybe these are really a bunch of dingbat universities where you don't have to study very hard, but when I was at university, that was when the Iraq War kicked off and I was just tenuously heard about it because I had no time.
	I was studying every waking second.
	I was studying physics.
	I didn't have time to keep tabs on, you know, world affairs.
	As much as I cared, all of it could have gone to hell until I've completed my finals, right?
	After that, when I was doing my PhD, I had more, you know, I had an overview of my subject.
	I knew what I was doing.
	You know, I had more time to inform myself, but as an undergraduate student, are you kidding me?
	These people can barely read!
	Seriously, they can barely read.
	I mean, I was just listening to the YouTube videos of teachers who were saying how people graduate partially illiterate.
	So they then get washed into these universities and suddenly they become experts on parent affairs or world politics.
	I don't believe that for a second.
	So what I see in these student protests is That they were stage managed, they had their own little, you know, FBI people, because they have been infiltrating the campuses for, you know, the longest time, and they just staged these things.
	Now, again, you can see the protests and you might agree with the general spirit of the protest.
	Okay.
	You might agree with maybe, you know, when the pendulum swings back and you think, hey, they shouldn't be trashing these places and blocking other students from actually studying, especially because these students are spending literally thousands, right?
	So maybe they should focus on their courses.
	Doesn't matter.
	But at the end of the day, chaos was created.
	And then the backlash is one of the most oppressive laws out there with plenty of loopholes to shut up anybody.
	Is that coincidence or is that maybe the old good old order out of chaos that you know is the motto of the masons?
	Is it maybe the good old program again?
	My take may be slightly different after 35 years in higher education, right, in Kentucky, Virginia, twice Cincinnati, North Carolina, Chapel Hill, New College, University of South Florida, Duluth campus, University of Minnesota.
	These protests seem to me to be genuine.
	I think that the students have had largely meaningless lives and they've somehow managed, and it's been a long Travail for them to actually absorb, but the television 24-7 coverage of genocide, it has finally sunk in, Catherine.
	Now, there are interspersersaurus provocateurs.
	Those are the people calling out, kill the Jews and so forth.
	They're trying to smear The young students who, in my opinion, this is very analogous to the protest of the Vietnam War, which of course led Nixon to, in my opinion, inadvisably cancel the draft because it has been, in my opinion, the fact that American families had sons or daughters who might be at risk if the nation went to war.
	That led to a lot of conservatism about actions being taken by the executive branch.
	But once there was no longer a draft, those families have really been quite concerned here for no longer.
	Worse so much because, you know, it was a volunteer army.
	Other kids were going to fight the wars.
	And I'm afraid, too, they also lost the benefits of acquiring a degree of self-discipline.
	You go through recruit training.
	You have to learn a military specialty.
	You have to respond to orders.
	You have to assume responsibility.
	You're held to account.
	All that military experience is actually terrific for the vast majority of young people who otherwise really would never, and unfortunately in my opinion, have never acquired it.
	So I think that abolishing the draft was, over the long run, catastrophic for the country, even though it yielded short-term benefits by taking the sail out of the anti-war movement then.
	But I predict this is going to persist now because this is the transcendent human rights issue of the late 20th and 21st century.
	You know, the Palestinian issue and the relationship between Jews and Israel and anti-Semitism.
	Catherine, they've carried it too far.
	They've gone more than a bridge too far.
	They've made their position completely absurd.
	We'll look and we'll find for The Gateway Bundit and many others reporting elements of this anti-Semitism bill.
	If you actually say the Jews crucified Christ, that's going to be regarded as anti-Semitic.
	Well, for crying out loud, the Jews did crucify Christ.
	I mean, that was one of the great events of world history, but to say it is to be anti-Semitic?
	But there are provocateurs, there are elements like January 6th.
	I think on January 6th there may have been as many FBI assets in the crowd, among the most conspicuous of whom was Ray Abbs, as there were bona fide citizens who were just kind of along for the ride.
	And remember, Trump had told his people to be peaceful.
	In protesting the theft of the election, and of course it was all orchestrated by Pelosi and Schumer, and even General Milley's now admitted he didn't let the order go through to send out the National Guard to ensure peace, even though Trump had ordered it be done.
	Because it disrupted the discussion, not the taking of the vote of the electors, but discussion of whether the electors' vote should be taken by virtue of indications of election theft and abnormalities, which were circumvented.
	You know, at the time this occurred, they were just beginning to discuss, and by the time it was over, they just moved on to count the votes.
	I mean, it was very cleverly done.
	Very cleverly done.
	Trump's been blamed for so much of it, but what I find fantastic, Catherine, and more than a little unsettling, given that I've been a big Trump supporter, is that we have him calling in—listen to this—he's calling in to Sean Hannity's show.
	The hatred of Israel by so many people.
	You go back 10 years, I mean, Israel was protected by Congress, and now Congress is just doing numbers that are unbelievable with, I think, a very, very small group of people within Congress, and it's got to stop.
	But we have to go back to the roots.
	We have to protect.
	We have to stop the anti-Semitism that's just pervading our country right now, and Biden has to do something.
	You have to get the job done.
	It's a horrible job to do, but they have to respond when they do.
	When there's an attack, a sneak attack like on October 7th that's so violent and such hatred, you have to clean it out.
	You have to clean out the cancer and you have to let them do their job.
	And frankly, it has to be done fast because this is not Sustainable for anybody.
	The job has to be done.
	It has to be done fast.
	The United States has to get courage and the United States has to speak up.
	Nobody knows where the U.S.
	stands right now.
	I think Biden is not on the side of Israel and he's making a tremendous mistake.
	You have to clean up the terror that we witnessed on October 7th.
	But the bottom line is they have to be able to finish the job.
	You have to let them finish the job.
	You have to support them.
	But they have to do it quickly.
	And you can't let scenes like this.
	The head of Columbia should be ashamed of herself.
	The job that she's done.
	She should no longer be there.
	She should be absolutely ashamed because she let this take place, Sean.
	Catherine, I'm just just appalled by all of that.
	I mean, he's basically saying they got to Finish the job, finish the genocide!
	Finish the genocide, but do it quickly!
	He's saying the PR is bad, so you gotta do it fast.
	I mean, it's absolutely disgusting.
	I'm not alone, by the way, in having drawn this inference.
	I got a clip here from Jimmy Dore, who I want to share with you too, but I mean...
	I follow Jimmy Dore, too.
	He's great.
	Yeah, he is.
	I've been so supportive of Trump for so long, but this has crossed a red line for me.
	I see him completely differently, very much as some of my perhaps more perceptive friends in the case of Trump have thought he was a bit of a con man and a swindler and so forth.
	And at this point in time, I'm sorry to say, I think they got him right.
	They were certainly closer to the mark than I.
	I mean, it's one thing to be a Zionist or pro-Israel.
	It's another to endorse a genocide of the Palestinian people.
	I mean, this is, in my opinion, grotesque and repulsive.
	Yeah, so the other thing to keep in mind, though, is that the Jewish community wields incredible power in the United States.
	It really does.
	And that's kind of, if you want to win an election in a couple of months, you have to say something on these issues.
	And if you go against that, you know, verbally on this issue, I mean, what he could have done is kept silent, not called in.
	Within a very limited scope, what he is right about is that all these staged terror events around the world have to come to an end.
	I think, yes, there is a network that needs to be uprooted, but as I just said before, I was looking at Reuters journalists being on the scene quicker than they could have without a heads up.
	So, I am absolutely convinced that the original attacks were by the same British-American CIMI6 Mossad conglomerate, a.k.a.
	the Crown Corporation, that all the other shitshows were being pulled off by as well, you know?
	I think, really, if you... and this is why I bang on about the symbols.
	I mean, being a high-energy physicist, I like science, I like facts, I like physical laws and, you know, But I had to embrace all this covert symbolism, the all-seeing eye being flashed, the Masonic compass, you know, the scissors symbol being flashed by certain individuals at strategic points, you know, in TV broadcasts.
	And as I was mapping it out, I realized, hang on, if I take this to be cartel signaling, as in a cartel message to their insider members that, hey, we're in charge, it's all being stage managed, don't worry about it, it's under control, everything suddenly makes sense, you know.
	You can go back to simple physical laws and principles and prove that this must be the outcome of human evolution, that you have one covert network.
	It must be.
	And the fundamental underlying principles are as follows.
	If you have, first of all, you always have crime, all right?
	You always had stealing and, you know, trickery and conning of people.
	Now, if you have a criminal enterprise, it could be selling drugs, it could be burglary rings, whatever, right?
	If you have a criminal enterprise and a legitimate enterprise, the criminal enterprises always, let's assuming both make the same type of revenue, the criminal enterprise will always outgrow The normal business because it's not taxed.
	So it's going to outgrow the business by the rate of tax.
	At least.
	At least.
	Now, there's ways to make crime even more profitable, right?
	And they tend to be in the profitable businesses to start with, right?
	But that already means that every criminal business will start growing bigger and bigger than any comparative business in its comparative size in a normal economy.
	Now, as these businesses, and I'm just talking about just a simple model, right?
	Now imagine, evolve this in your mind.
	As these criminal businesses grow, Cartels take each other over, right?
	Mobsters take other mobsters over and so on.
	So they are merging just like normal businesses and eventually you will, as we know, you will end up with the monopoly unless there's antitrust regulation.
	Now there's no antitrust regulation in organized crime.
	Right?
	So if you just make a simple model that starts with, I don't know, the time of Jesus or before, and you think, how did human beings evolve their organizations?
	No matter when you start this model, no matter how you set it up, you always end up with a ginormous international organized crime monopoly in the world.
	So as you're running this, you very quickly figure out that the drug gangs in Latin America cannot be independent of organized crime in North America or Europe.
	In fact, they will all end up as a mega monopoly, as a mega cartel.
	But these big organized crime businesses have to launder their money so they will buy into legitimate businesses and with time they will buy up legitimate businesses and so on and so on.
	So, you know, whichever way you start off you always end up with an international criminal network.
	That will control pretty much everything, will control the biggest corporations, will then buy into governments all around the world.
	And I think that is what we're seeing.
	And, you know, this is a very old game that has been played for a very long time.
	And what I really want everybody to now start doing is focus on the network, focus on the exact names.
	Who exactly did what?
	Who exactly pulled off January 6th and 9-11, if you like, right?
	Who exactly and how did they communicate?
	How did they network?
	How did they do the logistics?
	How did they do the boring stuff?
	And how did they get paid, right?
	How did they get paid?
	And this is the whole discussion that is completely lacking among investigators who are looking into false flag operations and 9-11 and anything, COVID and all this sort of stuff.
	COVID, they start to do it a little bit, but they're still missing big chunks of insights there.
	And I'm thinking if we really want to do what has to be done, in a sense, what I heard Trump say is, okay, this insanity and this kind of gratuitous murdering of people, senseless murdering has to stop incandescent.
	It has to be uprooted.
	But we disagree how it has to be done, right?
	It's not a genocide.
	With this genocide, you kill innocent people.
	But it could be uprooted by midday using the NSA surveillance network that will tell us exactly who was involved.
	You can send a drone.
	People won't even see the drone coming.
	And shoot out individuals with a directed energy weapon, in fact with a pulsed energy projectile that's hitting our house here day and night.
	We have very loud impact sounds that follow me around the house.
	When I'm in the kitchen, you know, stuff is hitting the ceiling.
	In the kitchen.
	When I'm in the living room, it's in the living room.
	What are these things?
	Pulsed energy projectiles, right?
	Catherine, I can't wait to continue our conversation right after this break.
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	I'm here with Dr. Catherine Horton, just delighted, and gateway abundant at some of the other elements in the anti-Semitism bill and gateway abundant at some of the other elements in the anti-Semitism bill that's passed in the House, and that I reverently hope will be defeated
	Number—the fifth—accusing the Jews as a people or Israel as a state of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
	My goodness!
	As everyone here has heard me say before, if you've done the research, you're either a Holocaust denier or a big, fat liar.
	So the idea, you know, of making it illegal to challenge the Holocaust is simply an historical absurdity, but politically expedient.
	Here's another.
	Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide than to the interests of their own nations.
	But we know we have all these dual U.S.-American citizens.
	We got Antony Blinken, our Secretary of State, goes to four nations and says, I'm here as a Jew, not as an American.
	My very first political speech, as many of you have heard me say before, on 15 April 2008 on the grass outside the capital of Ron Fall's Freedom Rally on Tax Day.
	I gave a talk, later published as 9-11 and the Neocon Agenda, where I explained that no dual citizen should ever be placed in a decision-making or policy-shaping position because you cannot know That their loyalty to the other state does not outweigh their loyalty to the United States, and that's what we're suffering now.
	Most of the key members of Trump's cabinet, just as most of the key members of the Biden cabinet, are dual U.S.-Israeli citizens, and I guarantee their loyalty to Israel is greater than their loyalty to the United States.
	Here's another.
	Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, for example, by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.
	Catherine, what an absurdity!
	Just a few years ago, they had to decide whether Israel was to be a democratic state or a Jewish state, and they chose a Jewish state.
	They are an apartheid state.
	It is a racist state.
	I mean, this is just blatantly absurd.
	Here are a couple more.
	Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other Democrat nation.
	Well, I know of no Democrat nation where the commission of genocide would be tolerated as acceptable behavior.
	Here is another close to your heart.
	Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism, such as claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel, to characterize Israel or Israelis.
	But that's an historical fact!
	Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
	Give me a break!
	The Jews in Israel are actually acting in a more savage fashion than the Nazis.
	I mean, it's astonishing.
	Those were actually work camps.
	They were not centers for extermination.
	Fred Luchter has actually spoken at my conference, provided a report in the Trial of Ernst Zondel in 1998.
	He had one in 1994 because he was distributing a pamphlet about the six million, disputing the idea that six million Jews had been put to death in gas chambers using Zyklon B. And in the first trial of 1984, the most striking feature was that the prosecution couldn't produce a single witness who could swear to having seen anyone put to death in a gas chamber.
	And of 1988, Fred Lochter, who was then the leading expert on gas chambers in the United States, no doubt in the world as a whole, traveled to the camps and visited a host of them, came back with samples and a report that there was nothing there.
	At any of the camps, that could remotely have served as a gas chamber.
	And, of course, we have the report of the International Committee of the Red Cross, which kept copious detailed notes on the age, the sex, the ethnicity, the religion, the cause of death for all the inmates, and in 1993 recalibrated their number a total.
	296,081 died in all the camps combined from all causes.
	None.
	Not one of whom was put to death in a gas chamber.
	But if this law passed, we're not going to be able to even say that, Catherine, without the risk of being prosecuted as a criminal.
	I mean, this is absurd!
	Well, it is, as you notice, on a much smaller scale, It's exactly the same with the false flag research.
	You're not allowed to question Sandy Hook.
	You're not allowed to question, you basically, you're not allowed to run a forensic or scientific investigation.
	That's what they want, you know, and you're not allowed to talk about the outcomes of those.
	And it's, it's the same across the board.
	So in the targeted individual community, we were being sabotaged as we were trying to set up scientific measurements.
	Trying to measure body implants and the electromagnetic telecommunications or the radio frequencies of body implants that were used to communicate with them and to torture individuals.
	These were scientific, you know, endeavors and were being targeted every which way.
	Trying to conduct those.
	After that, trying to speak up about it is very hard.
	Unless people, I mean, I didn't have so many problems because I have the credentials and what I'm talking about is my day job or used to be my day job.
	But, you know, if any victim who doesn't have scientific credentials try to say that, they are being sectioned.
	And this has been going on for absolutely decades.
	You know, similarly, the court cases against Trump and all those corrupt judges who just make stuff up.
	Well, targeted individuals have been seeing these corrupt judges for decades.
	I mean, I don't really know a single case where, you know, all the judges just acted with integrity.
	There was always evidence of at least some of the judges having been bought, interfered with, you know, intimidated, whatever.
	And again, the question is, who is doing that?
	As the break, you know, was upon us, I was just about to say that if people wanted to clean up these terrorist networks, the truth is that the West does already have the technology required In place, deployed and already has all the evidence that they need.
	It's just being kept inaccessible.
	So if you really wanted to uproot the entire drug trade of the world, the human trafficking, you know, I think Bill had a project where he unmasked companies that were producing IEDs.
	It was an, you know, an international network, you know.
	So you can do that.
	You can do that.
	And we could ferret out all these things.
	You know, the NSA could, in principle, stop all of these things.
	The CIA could.
	The NSA with the CIA together would have all the technology, know-how and manpower required to stop all those things if they truly wanted to.
	It wouldn't be particularly hard.
	Because every single time something is being communicated anywhere in the world, the NSA captures it anywhere in the world.
	It's not just in the US or in Europe and North America.
	Any telecommunication anywhere in the world is being captured and recorded by the NSA and kept for posterity.
	Any sort of terrorist organization eventually has to communicate one way or another.
	It can't just be, you know, personal meetings.
	Even if it were personal meetings, there's other technology that tracks those.
	So, you know, we could unmask all of these people.
	The question is why?
	Why are Western intelligence agencies not unmasking the network?
	Why did they not run the investigation of 9-11 themselves, you know?
	Why?
	Why was Bill Binney thrown out of the building when 9-11 happened and people did not want him to attend the meetings, you know?
	And how can Donald Trump be supporting Israel when Israel attacked us on 9-11?
	I think this is going to have a tremendous damaging impact on his candidacy.
	I have said before, and I say again, only Donald Trump can stop Donald Trump.
	But he's doing it!
	He is doing it, Catherine!
	Going all for this anti-Semitism thing, attacking the protesters, defending genocide, saying you just got to get it done faster because the PR is bad?
	That repulses me, and I have been about as firm a Trump supporter as I know among anyone who's got a functioning brain.
	I have been with him.
	I have made apologies for him on various accounts.
	I felt he made terrible blunders, that the assassination of Soleimani was unforgivable.
	But if you look at him as a Zionist, if he himself is a Zionist, it all fits together, but it's appalling for the American people.
	Now, here's where we got Jimmy Dore.
	Let me get back to Jimmy, because he's got things to say here that I think are very telling about what's going on, and I know you're a fan of Jimmy as much as I get this.
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	Trump has come down on the -- Trump used to be an American first guy.
	He's not.
	He's an American first occasionally.
	He's Israel first.
	And so people who are peacefully protesting in the United States, and that's what they're doing, they're peacefully protesting, Donald Trump is siding with a foreign country over them.
	And he says, do you think that the radical left lunatics that are causing all of the chaos?
	So you think people who are who are carpet bombing Gaza right now, the occupiers, the Zionists, they're not lunatics.
	They're not the genociders.
	This is amazing.
	Right.
	So do you think, hey, there are radical left lunatics in the country right now?
	They don't have any power.
	You know who have all the power?
	The radical establishment lunatics.
	Like Joe Biden, the Democrats, and the Republicans, who all agree on the worst of things.
	Just like he agreed, he just got in bed with Mike Johnson, Joe Biden, to pass funding.
	He supported that.
	Remember when Donald Trump used to go around saying, I'm going to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours?
	Yeah.
	Now he's like, no, we're going to fund it.
	I'm funding it.
	I still don't understand why they went to him at all with that.
	A guy who's not present that they have on trial.
	Hey, we need you to get on board with this.
	We need you, but they did!
	I guess to try to get some of the right-wing base to go along with it.
	So here's what he tweeted out on his Truth Social.
	By the way, he just got $2 billion more from Truth Social.
	I don't know anybody who goes on there.
	I had to go on there to get this though.
	Do you think that the radical left lunatics that are causing all the chaos at our colleges and universities are doing so in order to take the focus away from our southern border?
	No!
	No.
	I don't think that's why they're doing it.
	Wow!
	Talk about bending yourself into pretzel.
	Where millions of people, many from prisons and mental institutions are pouring into our country, just asking.
	Well, I'll let you know.
	No, that's not why they're doing it.
	They're not doing that to take, so like he's trying to say they're running cover for Joe Biden.
	No, that's not what they're doing.
	They're actually telling Joe Biden they're not going to vote for him, and they're actually protesting Joe Biden's policies of supporting a genocide in Gaza, which would be your same policy.
	So Donald Trump and Joe Biden now agree on all the most horrible things.
	Why is Ukraine getting more fucking money, too?
	I already knew he was all the way in Zionism, but Ukraine?
	And here's a Trumper who we've had on the show.
	This guy used to be MAGA, Jake Shields.
	I don't know, maybe he still is, but he says Trump wants to make protesting Israel illegal.
	They serve the same master, and he showed this.
	Stop the protests now.
	This is what Donald Trump tweeted out on his Truth Social or whatever.
	Stop the protests now, and he says they serve the same master.
	Now, there's nothing in there that says Donald Trump wants to make it illegal, except he does.
	Because I'll show you.
	He wants the cops to come in.
	I'm going to show you a video in a second.
	And he wants the cops to come in and crack their heads and arrest them.
	So those students who are protesting over Gaza have nothing to gain.
	It's not going to help them in their business and their career.
	They're getting suspended now.
	They're getting arrested.
	They're getting arrest records.
	That makes it much harder to get a job.
	They have nothing to gain by doing this.
	So I want to show you this.
	So while it's fun to watch Donald Trump piss off the donor class and stick his thumb in their eye from time to time, and it is, He is a swamp creature who is only occasionally America first.
	He didn't give a blue-collar tax cut.
	He gave a tax cut to billionaires.
	He didn't invest that money back here.
	He didn't give everybody a job like he said.
	He didn't give everybody health care.
	Remember he said when he's running- Terrific healthcare!
	I'm gonna make them a deal.
	I'm gonna go to the hospitals and- You have the best healthcare you've ever seen.
	You're not gonna believe this healthcare.
	You're not gonna believe how beautiful it is.
	Oh my god.
	He is a swamp- I said he is a swamp creature who is only occasionally America first.
	You can't argue with that.
	I mean, I guess you can, but you'd be wrong.
	His most recent capitulation to the war machine by joining with Mike Johnson and Joe Biden via Ukraine was disgusting.
	A lot of people can't handle that he did that.
	I can't handle it.
	It drives me crazy.
	The one thing, the one reason to vote for Donald Trump is because, maybe there's two reasons, the border and he wouldn't fund war the way they did, but now he's on board with their wars.
	He still wants credit for the disastrous COVID vaccine, which boggles my mind.
	And of course there's this.
	Stop the protest now.
	Now in this tweet I said the vaccine is not a vaccine at all.
	Of course that's not true.
	Of course it is.
	It's safe and effective and it's a great vaccine.
	The FDA and the CDC say it's fantastic.
	I was saying that as a joke.
	I was saying that as a joke.
	We made it so fast, so fast.
	Yeah, I got it.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	Shut up.
	Do you think these protests have anything to do with Israel or Palestine?
	Yes!
	The fuck do you think they're for?
	We're all, you know, expressing ourselves very candidly these days, but I'm with him.
	I had boggled my mind when he went with Mike Johnson to The Freedom Caucus had very cleverly designed a plan.
	They were going to hold up funding for Israel and Ukraine until they got funding for the border.
	That was brilliant!
	It was working!
	And then Trump comes in and sashays down the aisle with Mike Johnson right into the Biden quagmire by funding Israel and Ukraine without a penny for the border!
	That broke my heart, Catherine.
	That broke my heart.
	I've had so much belief in this man, and now, just as Jimmy said, it boggles the mind.
	And in my opinion, it's creating chaos in relation to this election.
	Just at exactly the wrong time.
	Everything is falling apart, your thought.
	I think that's exactly what's intended.
	I think that's it.
	I mean, look, that's exactly what has been intended by Letitia James, you know, Judge Angoran, who I call Judge Real Moron.
	You know, it's all of that, all of that.
	It has been, it's again, order out of chaos, order out of chaos.
	That is the motto.
	So, you know, the one place where I really disagree with Jimmy Dore, I don't think Jimmy Dore has spent as much time We're students and at a university as I have.
	I have dedicated 12 years of my life to this and you know at CERN I met so many other students from other universities and I don't believe for a fucking second That these students are capable of even organizing this.
	I watched, so the people who apply to and get into Oxford have to come top of their year in their school.
	Otherwise, the application is not looked at.
	So we had, you know, and among those you select 150 people, we truly had what at least on paper looked like the best and the brightest.
	And then you watch them trying to organize the summer ball The summer ball and it takes them months and always is just beset by, you know, debacle.
	Now, tell me how the flying fuck are, you know, kind of mediocre people going to organize something across the entire country so perfectly and pull it off all together, you know, on the same, at the same time.
	They can't move that fast.
	They can't get, you know, have you ever, Being to a student committee meeting.
	They are bickering.
	They don't know how to come up with decisions.
	None of them have CEO qualities.
	Two years ago, their mom used to drop them off at school, right?
	I don't believe it for a second.
	I wish, I wish, I wish that the generation now would be as tuned in as back in the day, the Vietnam protest.
	I wish we were at that stage, but I just don't believe it.
	I have never seen any that level of skill in a student body ever.
	Not at the University of Oxford, not at other universities.
	I don't believe it.
	But the whole thing smacks of the Ray Epp-style organization.
	You know, some middle-aged, chronically under-fucked males had a lot of time on their hands, came up with the idea of staging these things, and they pulled the resources off the FBI.
	And They hired the little shitty gang stalkers they have at universities already.
	I was being gang stalked by students at Oxford and at other universities who were using the hand signs of MI5, of how they're communicating it, as well as the app, you know, when they are stalking people.
	So they have these people on the ground and I think these are the people they are deploying.
	They are hand-selected, they have been given scripts to be on point, so if a journalist comes up, they at least have to know where the fuck Gaza is and where Israel is, unlike all the other people in their class who couldn't even point it out on a map.
	You know, I don't believe that these kiddies are watching Fox News or I don't believe it for a second.
	So, because I cannot bring myself to believe it, what I see is that the FBI again pulled off chaos, right?
	Order out of chaos.
	They staged these students events specifically so that they can come up with this anti-Semitic regulation.
	Because if it weren't for the protests, why would anybody bring it up?
	This is really fascinating because we have a genuine difference in interpretation here.
	They're not watching Fox, they're watching TikTok.
	TikTok is a real bastion of freedom of speech.
	They've had video after video after video showing the horrendous attacks in Palestine, slaughter of the children, slaughter of the women.
	24-7, Catherine.
	24-7.
	And this is like an epidemic.
	It began in a few cameras, but they're seeing, they're learning by example, they're doing.
	They're not learning shit, Jim.
	Do you know how hard it is to teach them anything?
	It's not that tough to go out to the cameras and pitch a tip.
	I don't believe it.
	Look, I don't believe it.
	I wish in my heart, in a better world, I would go with you all the way there and say, yes, these students, but what I have seen, they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery, right?
	I just see January 6 all over.
	And I don't know, the whole thing is just weird and wrong.
	All this scrappy and sketchiness is missing.
	It's like a well-organized operation.
	It really is.
	When students try to come up with something, you can see the frilliness on the edges.
	You can kind of guess what they were trying to do, but they, you know, screw things up left, right and center.
	And it's a bit crappy when it's all so homogeneous and like, yes, we're going to do this and always just perfectly timed.
	If it was truly organic.
	It would not happen at the same time.
	Certain locations for their own, you know, differences in personality and personnel who they have there, right, would take longer.
	It would flare up in two or three weeks' time.
	Other people would still be bickering.
	They couldn't decide on what the message would be or which hall to take over.
	You know, where is all the bickering?
	To me, it looks like a Very well planned organization that was planned by, if I had to guess, by the boomers in Generation X who still know how to organize shit.
	And it was paid!
	And I think the students who are going along, maybe it's quite a good idea that they go along because they get paid and have a hope of paying back those student loans that they just got.
	Look, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
	It really doesn't.
	I'll come back to this, because I think communication today is totally different than they've been in the past.
	Cell phones being ubiquitous, but the internet, the transmission information is virtually instantaneous, and it has not been all I have watched.
	You had a few here and there.
	You had Columbia gain a lot of publicity.
	Well, every student in the country is watching what happened to the students at Columbia on any channel they want.
	They see it, and they realize what they're doing is actually important.
	These are students... Gosh, if students realized what was important... Gathered, gathered.
	These are students for whom there's very little meaning in their lives.
	I mean, I love That they're getting out and doing something.
	And I believe the overwhelming majority, 85, 90% is sincere and genuine.
	Oh my gosh.
	I think I figured out where our differences come from.
	I think I figured it out.
	So the thing is, I mean, I don't know your precise age, but I would say you are the baby boomer generation.
	Now I am, I think, you know, generation Y.
	I tried to look it up.
	The definitions vary, but I think I'm Generation Y. So there are two generations.
	Like back in your day, students still knew shit.
	Students still knew American history.
	Students knew where Toronto was.
	They knew where Israel was.
	They knew about what was, you know, happening in the world.
	That is so not the case anymore.
	Generation Y knows jack shit about anything.
	Oh my gosh!
	Of course there's the internet, but that's why they don't know anything.
	They can't remember anything.
	They try to look everything up and the best solution for anything is, oh Alexa, what is this?
	You know, Alexa, when was Israel founded?
	And TikTok, you mentioned TikTok.
	Sure, those videos are out there, but they're not being watched by the youth.
	I mean, not across the board.
	OK, you might have some super nerds who really get into this.
	You always get those.
	But my goodness, students who are interested in politics these days.
	Oh, my goodness, that's rare.
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	Well, John Carman, who usually co-hosts with me on Fridays, has been unable to get in We do have a couple callers standing by.
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	I left up this image of Jimmy Dore because Catherine, he's put up a Coach Colin tweet saying, "You actually think these protesters have anything to do with Israel or Palestine?" Lots of laughs.
	You must have also thought BLM was trying to help black people.
	These movements have been co-opted, ladies and gentlemen.
	You're seeing Marxists and Communists trying to seize power in America.
	Pretty consistent with your take, Catherine.
	With one exception.
	I don't think that Marxists are trying to seize power.
	I think the people who invented Marxism have already, you know, bought the United States when it was first discovered.
	You know, they already own the United States.
	Well, we got two callers standing by.
	Let's begin with 816, which if I missed my bet, unless I missed my bet, it's Brian.
	Go ahead, join 816.
	Yeah, I found it interesting when you were talking about, you know, how all these people are from Gen X, whatever, because, you know, when 9-11 happened, the internet was really good back then.
	You could get downloads of things on the internet.
	They had, right after it happened, Building 7.
	And You could actually see the explosive charges going off to bring the building down.
	They had that originally on the internet, and I'm in the coffee shop, and there's a guy like in his 50s or 60s, and I said, look at this from 9-11.
	Of course, he didn't know what Building 7 was.
	This was a few months later, and I'm showing this, and he couldn't grasp it.
	He still did not get it.
	Okay, when it's right there in front of him, Or my brother who, you know, got called two weeks before 9-11 by his Israeli pilot friends that he trained to fly.
	In Arizona.
	And they said, whatever you do in two weeks, do not go to New York City.
	And he still doesn't get it.
	Okay.
	He's a Christian Zionist, so you can't get through that thick skull.
	But the other thing I was curious, I wanted to ask her about is With the Germans, since she was there, and I've found this to be true, is, you know, Hitler, his bodyguard was Jewish, who dated his niece, and the founder of Nazism was a Jew named Alfred Rosenberg, and Warburg owned Auschwitz-Birkenau.
	You can do all the research on these things.
	And the Germans that I've talked to that are from Germany, you know, that are probably 40s, 50s, they're just totally lost on who Hitler is.
	And were there any people awake when it came to him when you were there studying?
	I'm just curious.
	I can tell you that in Germany, unless you buy into the official narrative in school, I went through the German school system.
	You will get failed.
	So, as a school child I had big questions that later on I tried to research and I still haven't conclusively answered it but I still have the old questions.
	For example, the biggest most glaring, you know, discrepancy is how could it have possibly been that an Austrian Rose to power in Germany when the German aristocracy back then was very strong.
	Nobody got into these government positions unless they were insiders of the government, right?
	I mean, this is unheard of.
	He was an Austrian.
	So you don't run Germany as an Austrian with the German aristocracy right there, right?
	If they all thought that, you know, pulling off whatever Hitler pulled off was such a good idea, it would have been somebody a German or somebody picked by a German aristocrat, by the old networks, the old guard in Germany.
	So who the hell was Hitler, I asked myself, because there's absolutely no way an outsider could have trumped the German aristocracy back then, who were very powerful.
	Yet they all, well not all, but a large fraction of them supported them.
	So I was trying to dig around and the only reference that could vaguely explain this was that Hitler was some sort of related to an illegitimate child of the Rothschilds.
	I can't remember if it was Hitler himself who was the You know, the illegitimate child, but it was traced back to some maid who, so Hitler's ancestors, this one woman was a maid in the Rothschild house in Vienna.
	I didn't have the time to look into it and I still haven't, but that would totally explain it because the Rothschilds are right up with this international cartel.
	Yes, they do have a habit of putting their illegitimate children I don't know.
	positions of power.
	There are other, you know, references to world leaders being related, you know, in dodgy, you know, in dodgy circumstances, for example, in all these like sex rituals that the secret societies all have, right, including the Knights of Malta.
	So that would make perfect sense.
	And then also, if he truly was an illegitimate child of the Rothschilds, well, he is put into power like a chess piece.
	And then unless the German aristocracy all shut the hell up, their credit line would be cut by the Rothschilds who own all the major banks in Germany.
	So So that would make perfect sense.
	It was like, shut up or else there will be real financial consequences for you.
	And that would explain how the whole thing was pulled off.
	It would totally fit with everything else I've researched.
	But is anybody questioning this within Germany?
	Heck no!
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Absolutely not.
	Let me bring in our second caller, Ericode518.
	Please join the conversation.
	Hey, Jim.
	Thanks for taking my call, and I love your guest.
	You know, I kind of agree with both of you.
	I think some of this is coordinated on these campuses, and I think a lot of it's organic.
	But regarding her last statement, I remember I think Anthony Sutton wrote a book, if I'm not mistaken, and it was called Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler.
	So I think she's right on the money there.
	I mean, you know, it was kind of these money people that kind of helped push him up to the top where he got to, you know.
	But, you know, if you get the news, I don't watch the mainstream media often, to be truthful, but the other day I happened to see a piece from Laura Ingraham, and she had a Jewish girl on there who said she got stabbed in the eye, okay?
	And I went online and all these articles are saying you got stabbed in the eye, okay, with a flag stick, okay?
	I mean, I think the proper terminology should have been poked in the eye, okay?
	But anyway, I saw her eye and I couldn't see anything wrong with it, okay?
	A friend of mine told me he saw a clearer view and she had a little bit of a black eye.
	Now, I don't know if that's the worst case scenario of physical violence taken out against these people.
	You know, I mean, that's what they brought forward.
	I think if they had something worse, you know what I mean, where somebody got a black eye or somebody really got punched or whatever, I don't know.
	Is there violence out on those campuses?
	I don't see any.
	Do you, or does your guest, Dr. Catherine?
	Frank, Frank, there's a video out over this girl.
	It's all bullshit.
	I mean, and that Laura Ingraham would fall for it is very disappointing.
	Catherine.
	Yeah, I think that would again fit with my theory that all this is coordinated by the FBI.
	You would have the same sort of crisis actors and the stage management and all that sort of stuff.
	I'm not surprised to hear that.
	I have to say because I've taught at a very good university for so long and I just don't believe a word.
	I didn't really follow it in detail and I am also just jaded seeing the same You know, the images of things burning here and there and general chaos.
	OK, we have the pictures, but nobody really tries to investigate who are these people, which is ironic because the U.S.
	has the biggest surveillance network in the world.
	By midday, the NSA could produce the exact list of everybody who came up with this and and was involved.
	And they could, you know, go after these people if they wanted to.
	You know, another thing was one of the big big and I really hope your listeners take this in the thing about the wars that are currently being waged.
	It doesn't matter if it's Ukraine or it's if it's Israel's Gaza, whatever Yemen, you name it.
	It's all being all being waged with classical weapons, which to me.
	It means that what we're witnessing is old stockpiles being dumped so that new gear can be bought from Lockheed Martin and Boeing and these places, right?
	Because if truly they wanted to win a war, they have these directed energy weapons that fire, and I kid you not, they fire invisible pulses.
	The drones are visually camouflaged.
	You don't even see them coming.
	You would have to have a radio frequency monitoring dome to even see these drones coming.
	They could fly it over anything and take people out so that it looks like a heart attack.
	Pulsed energy projectile to the heart looks like a heart attack.
	To the brain could look like an aneurysm, a stroke, whatever, right?
	People would collapse dead.
	There would be no bullet hole.
	There would be nothing pointing back to the drone and the drone would just bleed off into the distance.
	They could do this everywhere, but they don't.
	They have these big spectacles, massive collateral, mass murder.
	Chaos is absolutely wanted.
	The continuation of these wars is absolutely wanted.
	To dump all that gear, to clean out all the military stockpiles of old gear so that they can buy the new stuff.
	For me, it's just one big spectacle to facilitate the next business deal of the military-industrial complex.
	That's all I can see anywhere.
	Paul!
	Paul, join the conversation.
	Glad to have you back, friend.
	Well, of course, she's exactly correct about, well, two things.
	The replacing of the inventory, as I said, probably at least 20 to 30 years ago, when I first started talking about this.
	Nobody goes to buy, you know, a cruise missile or a bomb.
	This is not something for the consumer market, right?
	So it's a product anybody can, you know, I mean, you can't go to the store, right?
	So this is a completely contrived market.
	With captured players and they all agree.
	Okay.
	Yeah, this is a good thing.
	We got going.
	So every now and then we got to have a theater and I mean, there's no accident that's called theater war.
	And so yes, this inventory has to be used up and then like she says replaced, but the main thing she's right about is the process.
	That's what I wanted to call about.
	Yeah, Catherine, you know, here's the thing about Jim.
	He's a little stubborn.
	And he's a little, little bit older than you.
	And he just does not, he, he believes that people are the way they used to be and they're not.
	Okay.
	I think Jim really is starting to know this.
	I know this very well.
	And apparently you know it too, that the, the human edition, the latest model human being, and I pretty much don't care where they are.
	I would imagine some countries a little bit more awake than others.
	But, uh, most people now are what I would call very substandard in all aspects.
	And, uh, yeah, so the, uh, Jim, I sent you, uh, just so you know, Catherine, I sent Jim and a bunch of other people a five, a five page PDF by Miles Mathis, you know, exposing these protests as fake.
	And, uh, I'm with you.
	I don't believe there's hardly a few students here and there because, you know, if we all, we all went to college, we remember what we were like.
	Uh, you said it well about how much you studied.
	Well, I wasn't one of those people that did a lot of studying, but I know where my head was at when I was in college, and it wasn't about protests or anything.
	And yeah, to me, it's just too damn obvious what they're doing, the problem, reaction, solution.
	And I'm glad to see you finally coming around about Trump, Jim.
	I mean, you're only about three or four years too.
	You're not alone in that attitude.
	Frank, let's go back to Frank and then Brian.
	Frank.
	Well, Jim, I got to agree, obviously, you know, Paul knows what he's talking about.
	And it's the military-industrial complex, you know, which Catherine started to first mention.
	You know, these people, look at all the weapons we left over in Afghanistan.
	You know what I mean?
	They just, you know, if people go in, I tell friends of mine, go in and Google the $1.5 trillion boondoggle, okay, the F-35, you know, our military budget, you know, they just spend money.
	If it doesn't work, okay, well, we'll build you something else.
	You know, if you bought a new car and you took it around the block and it didn't work, you bring it back.
	They don't say, "Okay, we'll sell you a new car." They would fix that.
	But they don't do that with our country, you know what I mean?
	They just squander their money, waste it, killing a lot of people along the way, keeping these wars going, starting wars.
	And I'll tell you, our CIA, I mean, they're the worst culprits in the world, in my opinion.
	I know George Soros is out there.
	I know you believe Soros runs a lot of this stuff, and I do too, but I do believe our CIA has got the influence and the power.
	They control the media, okay, through the Mockingbird, and they're over trying to topple countries here and there, and they get us involved in all kinds of stuff, you know what I mean?
	Or they get people in other countries fighting amongst themselves or whatever.
	But if you go back to Bill Clinton and come forward, we probably slaughter a couple million people over in the Middle East based on the bullshit, you know, the weapons of mass destruction that Colin Powell was pushing and which I don't think ever existed.
	I can jump in here.
	I completely agree.
	I completely agree.
	Which is why I think the next step, after we have debunked all the official narratives, the next step is to really unmask the network.
	That is when we can finally move to arrests and have these people removed from public life.
	But we have to recognize the network.
	Now, as Bill keeps saying, with the NSA database, if he just goes back in, runs ThinThread, we will have the answers by lunchtime.
	You know, it's all there, it's all already mapped, so every single communication has been recorded and is being stored for posterity at locations like Bluffdale and so on, but not just there, also in other countries.
	And the other thing is, in all these discussions, people mentioned the CIA Mossad.
	Please, please, do not forget MI6!
	Do not forget your slave masters!
	British intelligence, the Crown, Yes, they are in the mix.
	They are always in the mix.
	In fact, in Britain, they pride themselves on controlling the CIA, you know, really a much better way to think about it.
	I don't mean this insultingly.
	It's just like the first step to realize that you're an alcoholic is to realize that there's a problem, right?
	So the first I think the best thing to realize that America is, you know, there's a problem is to realize you're enslaved.
	You are really an unofficial crown colony.
	If you just think, hang on, maybe we're like Australia and Canada.
	Maybe the crown, we thought we beat them, but they came back the sneaky way by taking over our, you know, companies are paying, you know, Our corporations and our big politicians, and maybe they still control us.
	That would make perfect sense.
	Why would they have given up trying?
	Of course they didn't, right?
	They are here.
	They are always in the mix.
	MI6 is always playing right there.
	And then you can suddenly explain things like the collapse of Building 7 being announced by the BBC.
	I think 25 or 28 minutes before it happened, building 7 was still standing at the news broadcast where the lady announced that she was behind the window.
	It wasn't a green screen or blue screen.
	It was like an actual window and building 7 is standing.
	She announced that it collapsed.
	And then it collapsed.
	Well, the BBC is British intelligence, right?
	They're so-called foreign correspondents.
	So MI6 mocked you.
	They mocked you and they rely on the Americans.
	I'm sorry to put it that way.
	I'm just trying to provoke people out of, you know, their stupor.
	They rely on the Americans being so darn stupid that they are not getting it.
	It was a joke.
	They're laughing in our faces and we have to You know, we have to have the last laugh, but we have to take this evidence and go, OK, so MI6 was involved in 9-11 and they announced it.
	They put it out there in our faces.
	Right.
	Matt, let's go after these people who are these newscasters.
	How are they tied to MI6?
	You know, and the CIA.
	So, by the way, MI6 is called SIS these days, but for me they will always be MI6, you know, whatever, James Bond, MI6.
	But, you know, that's exactly what I mean.
	We have to now sit down and do the hard work as best as we can and figure out how are these people connected.
	And one, you know, spoiler alert, you have to also look into the secret societies.
	For example, I was shocked to come to the U.S.
	and see all these Masonic bumper stickers, Masonic logos on bumper stickers.
	Jeez, it's meant to be a secret society, a secret society, you know, meant to put it on bumper stickers that the memo got lost in the big pond.
	But if you go and just do a Google image search for Masonic Lodges, Texas, an image will pop up where you can't see Texas because of all the little Masonic logos.
	The same in Pennsylvania.
	Bill took me to his old hometown.
	You know, the tiniest, dinkiest little villages have a Masonic Lodge and a big blue plaque at the entrance to the village announcing it.
	Well, who are the Masons?
	Well, guess what?
	They are headquartered in London!
	In London!
	And everybody who I meet when I start talking about the Masons is so proud to tell me that their dad and granddad were in the Masons.
	Well, does it worry you that it's really a network of the British Crown?
	Your dad and granddad were Crown agents without noticing, without knowing.
	Back in the day, I don't think it was as easy to figure out.
	You know what the higher levels really stood for that it's headquartered in London, you had to reach a certain level within the order that the lodge to be imparted this knowledge but these days you can Google it and unless we really start talking about them.
	And the Knights of Malta, by the way, for example, JFK was the Knight of Malta, right?
	Who are they?
	How are they tied to the Vatican?
	What the hell is the Vatican Network, right?
	Unless we do that, we will never really get behind the curtain and figure out who these people are.
	In a sense, we won't know who to arrest and jail.
	Brian and then Paul.
	Brian and then Paul.
	Brian, go ahead.
	Well, it goes beyond MI6 and CIA and Mossad, because if you study the Rothschilds, they've controlled every intelligence agency, you know, from every country.
	That GRU, which is the Russian Army Intelligence, it's controlled by them.
	That Wagner Group, that's controlled by the Rothschilds.
	It's every country.
	That's how they took over the British monetary system during the Napoleonic Wars, because they knew that Napoleon lost the Battle of Waterloo, and they leveraged that and took over their financial system without knowledge.
	And they have it in every country, so it goes a little deeper.
	Thanks, Brian.
	Paul, Paul.
	Yeah, well, in regards to her remarks regarding the Crown and so forth, you know, and a lot of the people out there I've listened to for years have contended that, you know, we didn't really win the Revolutionary War, that there was, you know, some military battles that we prevailed in.
	But, you know, in terms of the overriding operating system of this country, the structure from, you know, our money system to our law and legal system is all It's all British and British controlled and that, you know, they never they never really gave up their prized possession of America.
	And I just don't see how you could really argue that.
	So, yeah, I agree there.
	And, you know, the Rothschilds are not I mean, there's paymasters and there's an organized structure for sure.
	But I just don't think there's that many Rothschilds.
	I'm sure they have an organization where many people are on the payroll and they're they're paymasters.
	So I'm not sure how much control they have over every single intelligence agency, but there can be no doubt with the COVID, what we saw was a worldwide system of control.
	I mean, world government is here.
	We saw that with COVID.
	Uh, there can be little doubt about it and there are some outliers, but apparently, um, the outliers can be silenced as we saw and Jim, you're reported on.
	By the way, Tim, on, on the air, could you give me a little soundbite that I could capture?
	Could, would you just say, Well, Paul, it looks like you were right on Trump all along, and I was wrong.
	You should hear what I have been saying about Trump on my last two on RBN, Paul.
	You can pop some clips there that are stronger than you ever imagined hearing from me.
	Believe me.
	No, I am.
	I am so disillusioned with this guy.
	I got to hand it to you, Paul.
	You were there before me.
	You saw more clearly.
	The guy really is a BT Barnum of our day.
	Yeah, well, in response to what you just said, I was tuned in.
	I did listen to you quite a bit, not the entire show, but I have been listening to you and it's quite the catharsis and it's not pleasant, is it?
	It's painful.
	I get it.
	Yeah, I get it.
	I hope.
	Listen, you heard me admit on air that I had not voted in 30 years, but I voted in 2016, but it didn't take me more than maybe three months, four months at the most, where I thought, oh my God, the same old fucking story.
	Well, you sound great, Paul, and it's nice to have you back.
	Frank, give us a real short bite before we have to part.
	Frank.
	Okay, Jim, I've been going after Trump since he broke all those campaign promises, okay, early on, you know.
	The two big ones were, let's build the wall, which people were, you know, they were at the rallies, build that wall, build that wall, and jail Hillary.
	And then he got in there and he forgot them.
	And then he stopped, you know, he went along with the, uh, uh, the sanctuary city.
	Then he, you know, Goldman, he broke so many promises.
	I told people, but I'll jump back and let somebody else get in.
	That's all good.
	You guys, terrific.
	Excellent calls.
	Catherine, I can't thank you enough.
	This has been just marvelous, and I want to have you back, and I'm just so pleased And just a delight.
	If you have any final words for our audience, please.
	I really love the discussion.
	I love the callers, not just because they agreed with me.
	What I really, really want is that we all start doing our homework.
	We have to go back and look through history and really look at what the crown actually is, because my research shows that the British crown is only just a local branch of a bigger organization, of a bigger crown.
	I found references to the crown In Switzerland that never had a monarchy.
	So what is the Crown?
	And as far as I could make out, it is really the Crown Corporation.
	It's a corporation under canon law that was founded, I don't know, somewhere in the, you know, a long, long time ago.
	But that is what holds all the Vatican possessions.
	In a sense, the Rothschilds, it's right to say, OK, the Rothschilds don't control anything.
	The best way to think about the Rothschilds is they are asset managers.
	They are asset managers for bigger entity and also for older families.
	Because remember, the Rothschilds really came to power in the 18th century.
	So early 18th century, maybe late 17th century.
	But we are talking about pools of money that were vast already in the 16th century and in the 15th century.
	So who are those and where did that money go?
	Who is controlling those pools of money?
	Because by the laws of investment, right, your returns, something that's a big pool of money that's already big at time t0, will grow even bigger than other pools of money that are smaller than that, you know, with the returns on investment.
	So there's like an exponential You know, shoot off when you talk about returns on investment.
	So we are really, we still haven't even identified the custodians of those big pools of money.
	And that's where we have to go.
	Patrick has been sensational, I can't thank you enough.
	Everyone, spend as much time with your family, your friends, the people you love at Carambap, because we do not know how much time we have left.

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