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The Raw Deal (15 April 2024) with Keith Rodgers

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	Help me get my feet back on the ground.
	Won't you please help me?
	This is Jim Petzler, your host on The Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B, this 15th day of April, 2024.
	So much has taken place since Friday.
	Of course, we know Netanyahu vowed to harm anyone attacking Israel.
	This was in anticipation of the strike that has taken place, with rather stunning effect.
	Netanyahu is fully aware Israel faces a growing problem with Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah.
	Unlike Gaza, however, Israel cannot deal with the Iranian problem alone.
	Netanyahu needs the U.S.
	to help, but the U.S., it appears, is not going to help.
	We have reports about the military accomplishment of the attack.
	Here's one.
	Hello, my dear friends.
	You're in the Military Summary Channel, and in this video we're going to discuss the Iranian strike on the territory of Israel with a significant number of drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles.
	As you know, on the night from the 13th to the 14th of April, the Iran launched a very powerful attack And that was like the response to Israel attack on Damascus on the, let's say, some buildings, some diplomatic consul building of Iran.
	And the Iranians called the evening operation the Faithful Promise.
	The sources associated with the Shiite exodus claim that the Iranian attack consists of three phases.
	Launching the, let's say, So, a lot of questions, a lot of videos, a lot of geolocations, a lot of very interesting things.
	And today with this video, I would like to discuss with you and receive probably the answer to the most important question.
	and ballistic missiles.
	So a lot of questions, a lot of videos, a lot of geolocations, lots of very interesting things.
	And today with this video, I would like to discuss with you and to receive probably the answer to the most important question, what is going to be next?
	What is going to be next?
	Okay, first, let's start.
	Before the beginning of the operation, most of the countries in the regions blocked their closed airspace.
	We know that Egypt closed its airspace.
	We know that, let's say, Syria closed its airspace.
	Lebanon closed its airspace.
	Israel closed its airspace.
	And of course, Iran itself closed its airspace.
	And there were some doubts about the behavior of the country by the name of Jordan, because we know that the Western countries, United States of America, could use the territory of Jordan for air defense and probably for counterattacks on the territory of Iran.
	So the Minister of Defense of Iran, before the situation started, let's say, stated that any country that opens its airspace or territory to target Iran and help Israel will face Iran's decisive response.
	So that's why we haven't received any reports whether Jordan was involved in this situation.
	The only thing we have is that Jordan declares a nationwide state of emergency.
	So once again, as we discussed, Iran was using a significant number of different types of weapons, missiles and drones.
	And the most important, Iran was using a significant number of types of carriers.
	The Iran was attacking the Israeli with ballistic missiles ground to ground, surface to surface, right?
	So on this video, for example, we can see the Iranian missiles heading on the territory of Israel.
	The sources reported that Iranians were using also the ships and the Navy drone, the Navy fleet to attack the territory of Israel.
	The only thing we haven't received, whether the Iranian forces were using aircraft like strategical aviation, Like the Russians were using like 22 to 116 when attacking Ukraine.
	We haven't seen something like this from the territory of Iran from my Iranian side.
	So this is very interesting.
	The Israeli from their side also were using different types of air defense.
	The Israeli forces, for example, were using F-16s aircraft with the air to air missiles to bring down and to destroy the Iranian drones and Iranian uh let's say cruise and ballistic missiles also united kingdom was helping israeli with air defense there was reports that british flight fighter jets took off from the off from cyprus to intercept the uv's and missiles launched from iran towards israel
	as we know the united states of america wasn't involved in that situation so So that was basically more or less plus minus the conflict.
	The entire situation was just a game between Israeli, Iran and Iranian proxies like territory of Syria, territory of Iraq and territory of Yemen.
	So, once again, the question is, what is going to be next?
	Before we continue, a few things that we haven't seen during the previous night.
	And this is very important.
	Maybe from this perspective, you might say that this is not important, but this is the most important thing.
	You know that during the previous night, there were no clashes on the ground.
	There were no, let's say, offensive operations, storming of the cities, sabotage operations, explosions, terrorist attacks.
	So there were no, simply say, there were no ground operations.
	So basically, that was a missile war.
	And when talking about missile war, there's just one option, just one, let's say, end of this operation.
	Who has more missiles is winning this war.
	So we can say the main answer to the question, who's going to win?
	If the conflict continues, who's going to win the conflict?
	Is the question, is the answer to the question, who has more missiles?
	Either missiles and drones and different types of attack weapons.
	Either Iranians have more drones and ballistic and cruise missiles, or the Israel has more air defense missiles.
	So this is very simple.
	And so that's why both countries, either Israel and Iranians, try to show and to present the best work of air defense from the Israeli side and missile attack and drone strike from the Iranian side.
	And during the...
	So Israel, of course...
	Let me just say that this appears to have been a multi-layered effort, that Israel was hit with a massive number of drones from Iran, that Israel expanded a tremendous amount of its munitions and resources, that Israel expanded a tremendous amount of its munitions and resources, including some rather expensive equipment, to shoot down those Iranian
	In fact, I saw one report already that Israel was Deplete it all but out of its munitions.
	Now, many of those are rather expensive weapons, whereas the drones are cheap.
	Here, I think, is the most incisive account to understand what happened here.
	To wit, 44 Mossad operatives killed at Nevittom Air Base.
	Here's the report.
	Intelligence community sources confirmed the following battle damage information after the Iran retaliation against Israel, which took place last night.
	Iran fired 185 drones.
	All 185 were either shot down or otherwise crashed in route to their targets.
	Iran fired 36 cruise missiles.
	were either shot down or otherwise crashed en route to their targets.
	Iran fired 36 cruise missiles.
	All 36 were shot down.
	Iran fired 110 ballistic missiles.
	103 were shot down.
	Seven got through and impacted Israel.
	Those seven ballistic missiles that got through and impacted were all hypersonic.
	A particular hypersonic missile that got through all defenses, the one pictured here, the Fatal-1, not-1, was shot down.
	At the bottom of the specs, above accuracy, points out these missiles have maneuverability to cross missile shield.
	Clearly, that capability worked last night.
	As a result, the missile impacts two Israeli air bases sustained significant damage.
	I'm very pleased to be joined today by Keith Rogers of Montana.
	Keith himself has Had his own shows in the past, he's a very, very good expert commentator.
	Keith, I think this was very, very successful from the Iranian point of view.
	Although, as we will see, I mean, Joe Biden encouraged Netanyahu to claim it was a win because he had shot down most of the Iranian missiles.
	And while that's true, Well, good morning there, Jim.
	Can you hear me?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, good.
	got to kill 44 Mossad operatives and destroyed an air base, one or more that had been used in attacking Iranian forces in Hezbollah in both Syria and Lebanon.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, good morning there, Jim.
	Can you hear me?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, good.
	Anyway, yeah, good morning everyone.
	There's a lot of lies out of this whole thing here on the part of the Israelis.
	If you were to image the, or get the images from, I think they call it the Negev Desert there, where the military base is, you'll see that the Israelis, with a backhoe, dug holes.
	And you can see where they, you know, dug out these pit type things there.
	Uh, they, and none of them, do they show you any of the actual photos of the air base of the massive building damage?
	Um, and, and what's interesting out of that is, as you mentioned there, cause I'd first heard that thing about the, uh, 44 Mossad, uh, being killed there.
	And that's why, uh, Gantz and those guys had instantly said they wanted a retaliatory strike.
	And you got, uh, uh, Mike, uh, Turner.
	That was also calling for a massive strike against Iran.
	But what's interesting is how Biden had to tamp this down.
	And I don't say this is for his political career.
	I would say it's because if you recall, the warnings went out Turkey first.
	Of course, Russia and China both knew.
	But then the other respective
	Jordanian and everything like that in the area Iraq of course That this attack was coming and as correctly noted by Scott Bennett and others is that these were slow-rolling Drones which were as you mentioned devised to eat up the missiles and stuff But one thing that most people have missed is if they were to go back if I mean if there's the actual video I'm not sure if you see a lot because I don't log on to YouTube that much but
	You can see the US, British and French jets flying around in the sky there, but you can see the ICBM type things of these ballistic missiles.
	They weren't the highest quality that Iran has, but they did pack some pretty good explosives.
	But you can see them maneuver around the jets.
	They had this, what do you call it, diversion type software type stuff in them.
	That allowed them to bypass any thing that was trying to shoot at them.
	And you can actually see that on those videos.
	And then as you correctly mentioned there, the fact that when these came down, they hit that base.
	And the main summary of this whole thing is that the reason why Biden stood down, as well as there was two Patriot missile systems at that base, Is because Iran had issued that threat.
	It was a veiled threat, but basically saying that if you stay out of this, we won't shut down the Strait of Hormuz, which would kill the American economy instantly with the oil prices shooting up everything.
	And that's why the US stood down on that.
	Yeah, they use their jets and stuff like that to minimize what damage and stuff like that.
	But the point was, is they didn't go after the big one.
	They were going to allow this military strike to hit at a certain area.
	And that would negate any civilian casualties because Iran, everyone I hear says that Iran is the most, what do you call it?
	Even Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson years ago talked about how Iran has the most astute leadership in the world.
	They highly think things out.
	They don't want to drag the US into a war.
	They don't want to drag themselves into a war.
	But this was just a retaliatory strike, and I think it's under U.N.
	Article 51 that allows them to do that.
	And of course, the Israelis, first thing they say is, well, we want to call a U.N.
	meeting and stuff like that.
	But as Russia's spokesman said, all this could have been avoided had the U.N.
	condemned Israel for that strike in Damascus on the Iranian consulate there.
	But again, it's like the Israelis always want the free card.
	They want the total victimhood and they can do no wrong.
	And this is what has got us for so many decades now, where Israel sends its jets to either bomb inside of Iraq or inside around Damascus or whatever.
	Same thing with the targeted assassinations on Iranians, the scientists and stuff.
	And people are just getting tired of this stuff.
	And so it was kind of like a just reward, if you ask my opinion.
	Well, it seems to me to have had multiple effects.
	Number one, psychologically, it has terrified the Israeli population who felt they were immune by and large, believed the Iron Dome made them secure.
	And while it did succeed in shooting down many of these drones and even cruise missiles, Nevertheless, Israel inflicted significant damage.
	Now, in the second place, they consumed a tremendous amount of rather expensive munitions on a part of Israel, even to the point where now a new attack might very well not be met with such resistance, because Israel simply doesn't have the munitions.
	And as the report we had about the assessment, when you join the conversation, Iran appears to have more missiles than Israel, and if you merely look at the matter quantitatively, Iran therefore has a great advantage.
	Number three, I believe this has inspired the Arab world, the Muslim community, everyone I think is exhilarated, enthralled that something has been done to rein in Israel.
	After as the ongoing genocide continues, and while it wasn't a direct response to the genocide, rather to the attack on Iranian territory, the consulate in Syria, which of course is sovereign territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran, as are all embassies and consulates worldwide, the land on which they are
	Found is belongs to the nations they represent.
	So this is a clear violation of international law.
	And as you have observed, Article 51 warrants a proportional response.
	One of the striking features of the mass genocide is that it is wildly disproportionate to the alleged offense of Hamas.
	Killing ostensibly 1500, taking a couple of 100-250 hostages, where we already know most of those deaths actually were caused by Israel, which used American-made Apache helicopters to fire on the concert goers to run up the total.
	But this appears to have been allowed to happen.
	We have multiple IDF sources are saying it's impossible that it's going to happen by surprise.
	Minimally, therefore, it was allowed to happen.
	So Netanyahu would have a pretext, a justification for the ongoing slaughter in Palestine.
	But it's simply astonishing to me how the Israelis and even the United States want to deny the finding of genocide.
	We have had Lloyd Austin.
	We've had Antony Blinken.
	I don't know that the guy who calls himself Biden has made this assertion, but the International Court of Justice has found genocide to have taken place.
	The Security Council of the United Nations has demanded Israel cease the genocide.
	They have demanded.
	That has the authority of international law.
	United that was a vote of 14 to 0 with one abstention to with the United States is representative asserted that.
	It was a non binding resolution when it was a binding resolution which means.
	Key that the United States is willing to take down the whole structure of international law rooted around the United Nations established since World War II in order to preserve its dear ally, Israel, even in the commission of the crime of all crimes, genocide.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, well, it's.
	I hate to see death.
	I don't care from what side it is.
	I don't care whether you're Ukrainian or Russian, an Israeli or what like that, you know, a Palestinian.
	But when when you look like this morning, they were unearthing these mass graves.
	And I forget the name of the hospital there, but where the basically the Israelis just bulldozed over and through.
	Up to maybe like 50 bodies inside of a ditch and just buried him like that, you know.
	Uh, there is no way to, to garner sympathy when you keep using this Holocaust narrative, uh, never again, that, uh, you're not going to allow this because of what allegedly happened in Germany and stuff, you know, and then to sit there and met out this, uh, uh, unbridled anger over, as you mentioned, a clear lie, uh, of what the October 7th was about.
	When they had clear warning, this was coming, everything, and how everything was stood down.
	There was even a meme about how the Israelis had this been the paragliders, these missiles and stuff, you know, if they would have came down in the form of paragliders, they could have easily just, you know, like floated in there, you know.
	But the point is, Is Israel and it's their cohorts of whether it's US politicians, Germany, all these, they're trying to make out so that Israel looks like it's the victim.
	And it's not because it's under international law that any of these actions, that's why this is all prethought out.
	Why the Iranians in the first place had given like seven days warning that this was coming.
	That's why when the drones were coming forward, they were at a slow pace.
	U.S.
	had them on radar.
	They knew exactly where they were at.
	I mean, it was all calculated.
	It was just basically to send a message.
	And of course, the retribution portion was the massive missile barrage at that Air Force base, I guess you'd call it.
	So.
	But this constant victimhood of watching Israel complete its crimes.
	There was a video yesterday of these young kids, and I would say they look around 13 at these desks over in Israel, picking up these brand new, which look to be like Glocks, for these settlers that were just grabbing handguns for these settlers that were just grabbing handguns going out into the West Bank there to start killing Palestinians.
	It's like they have an open vendetta to kill every Palestinian there is, And this is, as you mentioned, genocide.
	And when you've got U.S.
	politicians or military leaders, they will not acknowledge that.
	All it does is it causes more harm to America, its reputation around the world.
	And this is almost like listening to Marco Rubio when he was talking about sanctions on Venezuela and then joining BRICS at the time.
	He said, well, this means we can't sanction them.
	Well, the United States is losing its so-called pull all over the world because of its actions.
	This rule of law that they discuss is not in line with international law.
	Russia abides by international law.
	Iran does.
	Why can't the United States?
	Why can't Israel?
	Decades.
	And that Resolution 242, when did that come out?
	How many decades ago did that come out?
	And yet the United States refuses to rein in Israel.
	And this is what the problem is.
	It's not Iran.
	It's not Iraq.
	It's not Syria.
	It's Israel.
	Yes, yes, of course.
	Absolutely.
	100%.
	And Biden, of course, had been wise to counsel Israel against an attack that he's told that It's a win that the U.S.
	won't back retaliation.
	Here's a report.
	U.S.
	President Joe Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a phone call Saturday, Washington will not support an Israeli retaliatory attack for Iran's drone and missile assault on the Jewish state.
	Axios reported signing a senior White House official Iran fired more than 300 missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles from its territory toward Israel on Saturday night.
	What Iran said was retaliation for the overscaling of several, you know, Revolutionary Guard Corps officers in Syria by Israel on the consulate sovereign Iranian territory.
	United States and other countries helped Israel shoot down the projectiles, which amount to a 99% success rate, according to the IDF.
	American military intercepted over 100 airborne threats.
	You gotta win!
	Take the win!
	Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official, amid fear of a regional war, should Jerusalem respond.
	Netanyahu reportedly said he understood.
	When Biden told him the U.S.
	will not participate in offensive military operations against Iran.
	In a White House statement, Biden condemned the Iranian assault, which marked the first direct attack on Israel from Iranian territory, at my direction, to support the defense of Israel.
	The U.S.
	military moved aircraft and ballistic missile defense destroyers to the region over the course of the past week.
	Thanks to these deployments and the extraordinary skill of our service members, we helped Israel take down nearly all of the incoming drones and missiles.
	I've just spoken with Prime Minister Netanyahu to reaffirm America's ironclad commitment to the security of Israel.
	I told him Israel demonstrated remarkable capacity to defend itself and defeat even unprecedented attacks, sent a clear message to its foes A con cannot effectively threaten the security of Israel.
	Tomorrow, I will convene my fellow G7 leaders to coordinate a united diplomatic response to Iran's brazen attack.
	My team will engage with their counterparts across the region, and we will stay in close touch with Israel's leaders.
	And while we have not seen attacks, On our forces and our facilities today, we'll remain vigilant.
	Right back with Keith Rogers after this break.
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	Now, Keith, of course, what Biden is acknowledging there, which must be a source of immense concern to the idea of, is that Iran now knows how to penetrate their defenses, that their hypersonic missiles can do the job, that Israel has no way to defend that their hypersonic missiles can do the job, that Israel has no This is a really stunning development, and I think it gives Iran the upper hand.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, first of all, if I dropped a Skype thing in chat there, you might want to just glance over real fast and you also have email.
	But I have a Persian friend who told me that Hezbollah was going to launch a volley of their missiles and or drones that they have just to excite the radar systems.
	There's something about those missiles in their own self-defense, I guess you would call it.
	Uh, for their anti-radar or whatever it is like that, which they use for their navigation, of which, uh, they're able to know when a radar system has locked onto them and then they, they can change their direction.
	And that again, if you were able to watch one of them videos, you can see those, uh, ballistic missiles coming in this and they suddenly change their course.
	So I think it's so that, uh, AP can't get drawn on it, but this is reminiscent of what the Persian friend of mine said.
	If you recall, in Ukraine, one of the leaders over there in the military was pissed off something galore.
	He had sent a telegram message loaded with expletives with the F this, F that, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	To where he said, stop sending photos, stop sending videos of your location, sorry, of where you're at, stuff like that, what you're doing, because he says the effing Russians are using the metadata from those videos and stuff that you're sending.
	They're getting your locations and they're bombing you.
	So as this Persian said beforehand, a bunch of their I guess you could call it part of the Islamic resistance was going around and snapping photos and taking videos and sending them back and forth like that.
	And the tech guys there in Iran were using these images and videos for this GPS data of the locations like that to either use that as targeting information or what.
	And that's why all this was set out in a pre-planned course And again, the U.S.
	would have had all the time or Brits or whatever would have had all the time in the world to shoot down this first wave of drones and stuff.
	But as you correctly said it earlier, the fact that they did that to exploit the defense systems of Iran, which was, I guess, is $1.3 billion.
	And so that the majority of those would all be used up or spent.
	By time the major crux of the, uh, of the retribution, uh, attack came in so that they would make sure that they, uh, hit their target.
	And, uh, this is what we have in this asymmetric warfare anymore.
	That's why, uh, when you see there, as a matter of fact, there's some French soldiers taken out in Ukraine today.
	A lot of this stuff is all being used by the metadata, just like they did on January 6th, and this new Pfizer thing, where they wanted to renew the Pfizer, and they did of course, where they used all the location stuff from the apps on the telephones, that's how the US FBI and those guys bypassed all the warrants and stuff, is they just went to the ad apps
	and got the data for their location and stuff, and that's how they knew who was where at what time.
	But this is this asymmetric warfare that's being used, and what gets me is out of all this stuff, you'll find out that China isn't doing that to us.
	I mean, if China had our data, whether it was through TikTok or like that, how are they targeting us?
	If Russia had it, how are they targeting us?
	If Iran had it, how are they targeting us?
	No, it's this rogue government that we have that's attacking us.
	And to sit there and decry, like, and this is kind of like a soft subject for me about all these immigrants coming in, Well, who's letting them in?
	It's your government, you know?
	Uh, we are at war basically with this government.
	Uh, and yet they want to, they always want to point fingers to get us to, uh, to look at, uh, some other country as, as the, the vic or the villain.
	And yet, no matter how you look at it, and I think a lot of this stuff, if you, in my personal opinion, is it's buying time for these globalists to cement their new world order and stuff while we're distracted with all the wars and vaccine deaths and stuff like that.
	You know, the plan is they still plan on killing us.
	And I don't know if I'd sent you that video of that rabbi talking about how billions have got to die and we'll have all their money.
	I mean, these guys are psychopaths, and it's not all Jews, you know.
	These are just these rabid Zionists that believe that they're the chosen ones of God.
	And again, as I brought out before with this, the Old Testament was conditional, where God said, if you keep my commandments, and they didn't.
	And so then a new covenant was made, wiping out the old covenant, which extended to all mankind.
	And of course, you know, The only nomenclature, I guess you could call it, was that they had to accept the Christ.
	And we know that the rabid Jews won't do that.
	A lot of Jews do, you know?
	Well, you've sent me what looks like a fascinating clip about what Trump has said about the war.
	Let me play this right now.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, I'm very, very glad you sent this.
	He said during an interview with Univision on Thursday when asked how America might help stop the civilian killings in Gaza.
	So you have a war that's going on and you're probably going to have to let this play out.
	You're probably going to have to let it play out because a lot of people are dying.
	There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people and probably the other way around also.
	I don't know.
	You know, it's not as obvious, but probably that's it, too.
	All right, let's bring in CNN's Max Foster, who is live from London.
	Max, always wonderful to see you.
	Trump also said Israel needed to do a better job of public relations, and he pointed to this rash of pro-Palestinian protests in the US.
	And obviously, earlier in all of this, he went after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for not being prepared.
	What is your sense of what's going on here?
	I think that clip, you know, if you move away from A lot of, you know, how he says it and, you know, specifically what he's saying and what he means, which is what I try to do with Donald Trump when it comes to international policy, at least, is pretty significant.
	What he's effectively saying is, you know, he doesn't see, if we look back at his previous tenure as well and how he played that out and what he's saying here about this Middle East crisis, it's like he doesn't see America as that international policeman, which actually the rest of the world has it's like he doesn't see America as that international policeman, which actually the rest of the world has So focusing more on American problems, which a lot of Americans will relate to,
	But outside America, that does have a huge impact, because you and I have spoken a lot about this new world order that China and Russia want to create.
	America pulling back from the international stage and saying they're not going to get involved in crises like the Middle East does create a vacuum, and you know who's going to step into that.
	So it has huge repercussions, that little soundbite, for me, when I look at it.
	And if it does get into power, we're going to see America less present on the international stage, certainly militarily, it seems.
	Yeah, it honestly is really, really interesting.
	You know, I'm thinking about how Vladimir Putin is backing off of support for Israel that he previously had in the context of this.
	And Trump does have a way of picking up on things that are going on in the electorate and really putting his finger on things.
	As uncomfortable of a reality as that might be, he does have a really strong nose for it.
	And it's interesting to me that this is what he's picking up.
	Let's also, Max, talk about Nikki Haley, because in the Republican primary debate, she did seem to gain more ground there.
	She's sort of becoming the person who is first in the race for second place.
	But she did make this statement about Vivek Bhawan Swamy on the stage, because the two of them really tangled.
	Take a look at what... Well, let me just say, Keith, actually, those comments Turned out, I mean, I just discovered, to have been from five months ago, these aren't current.
	What is your take about Trump's current opinion of what's going on here?
	Well, I think there's a two-fold thing here right now.
	One is political, because there's another video over on Bitchute where Trump says, he talks about anti-Zionist at one of his rallies, and about bringing back the death penalty, and I I can't confirm it.
	I would say it's unconfirmed that that was actually spoken.
	I think this is a plot.
	I mean, would you think that Trump, even with his evangelical base, would sit there and then turn, as the Democrats say, turn his administration into some hunting thing, like the FBI is currently right now, to start going after and arresting anti-Zionists?
	Uh, around America and, uh, put them up for the death penalty.
	That doesn't sound like something Trump would do, but, uh, I, I think we're, we're getting played by two different sides here.
	Uh, just like on your email, that massive stabbing down there at that Australian mall.
	And then now that, uh, that, uh, minister that had just, uh, got stabbed at while he was given a sermon there.
	They're trying to link all this between Muslims and Russia.
	And so anything that you see in the news right now, it's either anti-Muslim, of course, that catapults the Middle East agenda, and the pro-Russian portion of it catapults everything as towards what Russia is doing there.
	And of course, remember that the Israelis have two ventured interests in both Ukraine and in Palestine or Gaza.
	And this is ethnic cleansing.
	Ehud Barak, remember he came out just last year and says that the Jewish empires only last about 80 years and they're about, what, 75 years into that now.
	And Kissinger himself said that Israel would cease to exist.
	And so these Zionists that are in charge there, they're at their wits end about Trying to secure the Ukraine, which is now being landlocked because Russia is winning.
	And Zelensky, the little Hebrew boy, is sitting there screaming for arms and stuff.
	And again, with the massive ethnic cleansing, whether it's in the East Donbass or the 500 some odd thousand Ukrainians and the 80 some thousand Russians, where it's basically pit Slav against Slav.
	You know, that this, it's all part of this ethnic cleansing and it's all to secure lands for a particular group of people.
	And when you hear the term Jewish state, that term itself sounds so racist, especially when you hear that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and blah, blah, blah.
	But it's Palestinian, the population doesn't have the voting rights.
	Uh, doesn't have the freedom to travel back and forth.
	It's a Jewish only racist state.
	And I think that's what is the attention is being drawn out is, uh, they're the ones that are pushing all this equity for the LGBT and all the trans stuff like that, you know?
	And yet, uh, when it comes to them, Israel has walls, their walls are okay.
	But as that rabbi Davidson said, uh, over in New York there who wanted to destroy ice.
	Get rid of the border wall, that Boston Jewish committee that wanted to thwart any deportations of immigrants.
	It's like the Israelis can have their totally racist, Jewish-only state, and yet if we as Americans or Europeans or like that across Europe want their own state, their own cultures and stuff, well, you're anti-Semitic like that.
	So it's all being turned against us to make us look like we're the criminals, and yet they're the ones pushing the foreign policy because they're in charge of it in all these damn countries.
	Well, bear in mind, Israel, maybe 15 years or more ago, voted on whether or not to have an apartheid Jewish state or To have a democratic state where Palestinians had rights and they voted to have an apartheid Jewish state.
	So the fact is describing it as a Jewish state is accurate, legally, politically, morally.
	It's exactly right, Keith.
	It is a Jewish state.
	It is an apartheid state.
	And if you look at the history of apartheid states, the genocide.
	Comes naturally, and of course, as we know, ad nauseum.
	The Jews, the Israeli Jews, regard themselves as superior to every other race, that the other race, the Goyim, only exists to serve the Jews, that they're entitled to lie, cheat, steal, rape, loot, murder, with impunity.
	I mean, it is grotesque, and I'm afraid that the propaganda campaign generated by The false narrative of the Holocaust has served them very well up until now, Keith.
	But the fact that they're acting toward the Palestinians in a more reprehensible fashion than even what they allege falsely the Germans had done to them, it stripped the mask away.
	The pretense is gone.
	We even have relatively mainstream running an interview that Amy Goodman did years and years and years ago.
	With a former Israeli Minister of Education, where Amy was asking about criticism of Israel, and she was responding, it's a trick.
	When Israel is criticizing Europe, we bring up the Holocaust.
	When Israel is criticizing America, we claim anti-Semitism.
	But she was acknowledging it's just a political PR, a public relations stunt.
	It's a trick.
	Everyone needs to absorb the message.
	I think it's got to the point now that Israel has lost its victimhood card that it can no longer play.
	That has been revealed as a savage, sadistic, genocidal state that is totally racist in its character.
	The world will never regard Israel the same way it has in the past, along with the United States.
	It has become the most despised and reviled nation in the world.
	Yeah.
	What's interesting about that in context, it's like the trials of Henry Kissinger by Christopher Hitchens.
	If you watch that video, it opens with Henry Kissinger talking about his plight over in Germany, migrating to the US, but it highlighted so much about how bad the Germans were.
	And then it was under Henry Kissinger that you had the bombing of Laos, Cambodia, a million, uh, 3 million killed Madeline Albright, same thing, like, uh, you know, 500,000 dead Iraqi children.
	Uh, and I'll even extend that to these vaccines and stuff where you've got an entire Jewish controlled media that's covering up those that died suddenly and everything, you know, uh, Jim, I, uh, I can, uh, monitor five counties here on my, uh, two way here, uh, part fire department too, but, but, uh, Oh, these repeaters are up on top of mountaintops.
	So, uh, you can hear, you know, a hundred and some miles away like that.
	But anyway, when you hear the amount of people that suddenly are having cardiac arrest, you've lived in Montana here for, well, since the eighties and you realize this is not natural.
	You know, uh, the same thing with, uh, even telling, uh, uh, there's actually, uh, an article about men that might be playing with themselves in the shower.
	I mean, do people actually believe this stuff?
	That all these sudden heart attacks are caused from climate change?
	heard that and I says people have been doing that for years or something like that and suddenly everything is heart attack like the other day it came out with too much sun causes heart attacks.
	I mean do people actually believe this stuff that all these sudden heart attacks are caused from climate change I mean I believe there's three genocides going on right now.
	One One's in Ukraine, one is in Gaza, and the other is in the vaccine industry.
	And sadly, the same culprits are behind every one of them.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I agree.
	I agree.
	I agree completely.
	I mean, the absurd excuses that are coming from people dying on the right and on the left.
	I mean, it's a predictable effect of the Vax.
	And the more you have the worse off you are the statistics from the public health service of the United Kingdom, which are accurate and reliable, unlike those coming from our CDC and our FDA, which are.
	Marketing agents for Big Pharma.
	It's very clear you get boosters.
	Your probability of death increases dramatically.
	Two or three, you're virtually guaranteed to die.
	And of course, the morticians there have been explaining they have these long, fibrous blood clots they're removing from bodies the likes of which they've never seen before.
	Teeth.
	This is just monstrous.
	What's going on here?
	And it's continuing.
	They're still pushing the facts.
	Anyone in the sound of my voice, believe me, you want to avoid the vaccine at all costs, as though your life depended upon it, because it does.
	Yeah, well, like that, again, that stabbing of that pastor down there, the Bishop Mari, Mar-Mari, I guess it's called, but the Daily Mail says, who is this Bishop Mari, Mar-Mari?
	And it says, oh, his last name's Emmanuel.
	Who was at this Wakeley's Christ the Good Shepherd's Church attacked in a second Sydney stabbing.
	Of course, this is just within his last week here, see, is also known as an anti-vaxxer.
	But they huge, you know, anything to demonize Christians, anti-vaccine or body integrity.
	Now, if you want to go out and kill your baby and stuff like that, well, that's fine like that.
	As E. Michael Jones said, over 400 Jewish organizations have lobbied against this pro-abortion stuff, or lobbied for it, you know.
	That it's basically, as he calls it, a Jewish sacrament, you know.
	And they just won in court against this Roe versus Wade type thing, that it's a blight against their religious beliefs to in any way And of course, as we've seen with Candace Owens and stuff, talking to that rabbi, that they are trying to push their belief structure on us.
	Well, if, you know, as was said also, if all this about Hitler was true and everything like that, and about killing the Jews, well, they're doing it to themselves.
	By pushing this abortion stuff, you know?
	Well, let me just intervene for the record.
	Long-time listeners will know this is my position.
	I regard Roe v. Wade as among the wisest decisions ever made by the Supreme Court.
	It leaves the decision whether or not to bear a fetus to term to the woman, her special circumstances, her family, her position, her conscience.
	This is such a deeply felt dispute in the American community.
	In my judgment, the only democratic American solution is choice.
	Choice.
	Recognize that the court decided, in effect, that the right to life only occurs at the end of the second trimester.
	When the capacity, viability, the capacity to survive outside of the intrauterine environment takes place, it also coincides with when the pain threshold comes into play.
	In other words, while you have a developing entity that looks like a whole lot of other things during the stage of development, in some cases a whole lot like a shrimp, it's not that it looks like a little person from the beginning because it's not.
	The Supreme Court decided, and I think wisely, that personhood, which is the real issue not here, whether this is a form of life or would develop into a person or a baby, because of course it would.
	No one ought to deny that.
	That's a biological fact.
	But whether it's entitled to the social, moral, legal status of being a person, the court Decree and again I say I believe probably on scientific and moral bases that it occurred at the end of the second trimester after which any abortion other than to save the life or the health of the mother was murder.
	What's murder?
	Pro-lifers overlook here.
	I mean, a lot of women are in circumstances where they can't afford to bring another baby, a child into the, they have too many kids already and they're having trouble making ends meet, working jobs, all that.
	The fact is the plight of women in America has become increasingly desperate, in my opinion, to turn them into reproductive slaves.
	And that's how I view it.
	If you force a woman to carry a fetus to term when it's unwanted, You are compelling her to do something against her conscience, against her beliefs.
	You are turning her into a reproductive slave.
	And we know if any action is immoral, slavery is immoral because it involves using other persons to benefit ourselves or our own objectives.
	I mean, the core of morality is being respectful of other person, persons.
	And you're not being disrespectful of the developing entity if it's not yet a person.
	It only becomes a person at the end of the second trimester.
	Now, I'm saying this very strongly because it's too easy to misunderstand, but I really believe the only American solution to this, and here I, of course, part with the right and with many others, is to be respectful of a woman's right to choose.
	And I think that the A women's movement here made a colossal blunder, not only in emphasizing the right to choice regarding abortion, but the right to choose regarding the facts, in my opinion, Keith.
	My choice was a violation of informed consent when they foisted off this experimental procedure upon us, which required denigrating ivermectin and HGQ, hydroxychloroquine, because they were very successful at dealing with this.
	In fact, I had.
	I was diagnosed with COVID.
	I think I only came to it because friends sent me ivermectin.
	Ivermectin is a miracle drug.
	The discoverer of ivermectin received a Nobel Prize, deservedly so.
	So you had a mass murder being promoted by the American government, the CDC and the FDA, by suppressing ivermectin and HCQ, which were very successful in dealing with issues like this, in order to promote and allegedly untested, but they had all kinds of proof it was fatal vax.
	We'll be right back with Keith Rogers after this break.
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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host here on the Raw Deal on Revolution Radio this 15th day of April 2024 with Keith Rogers here offering his expert commentary.
	Before I invite Keith to respond, let me make one additional remark about Ruby Wade.
	When this court, which had three new conservative justices appointed Nominated by Trump and confirmed by the Senate, rejected Roe v. Wade and sent it back to the states.
	While many on the right rejoiced, I regarded it as a calamity, because here you had a solution that allowed every woman to decide in accordance with her own conscience and her personal circumstances under the laws that existed at that point.
	Not to be sent back to the States where it would become a patchwork quilt as to where a woman could or could not exercise the right to an abortion and began became a political issue that is going to be the strongest reason.
	Women in this country might vote for Democrats in spite of the fact that this is a completely monstrous, traitorous administration that had betrayed the United States in every possible way, stealing the election in 2020, opening the borders, allowing lawlessness to prevail, transgendering, teaching anal sex and the like to our kids in elementary schools.
	It's appalling!
	It would be a slam dunk to get Trump back into office.
	And mind you, I believe it's indispensable to the survival of the nation to get this guy back into office, flaws, warts and all.
	So, you know, I think this was a bad, bad development, although many, many on the right shared it, including I would not be surprised you yourself, Keith.
	I certainly infer that would be your take.
	I just want to offer my alternative.
	Point of view.
	The floor is yours.
	All right.
	First of all, I have a little Indian friend here.
	He just turned 18.
	I love him like he's my own son.
	I wish he was, matter of fact, but he's gone through hell.
	His mom died from the vaccine, like that.
	And of course, his dad is worthless.
	I think I've talked about this, too.
	But anyway, he was talking to me the other day about this abortion stuff.
	And there's a video called Depopulation Bomb on YouTube.
	And it talks about the massive amount of birth rates that have dropped off here in the United States.
	And a lot of that, it could be caused from GMOs and stuff like that.
	But a lot of it is also caused from the fact that most people in their success have put off getting married and all this stuff.
	And by the time they finally do decide to get married and have a child, they're past the birthing years.
	So I was explaining to him The fact of my view about this abortion stuff like that is with so many people out there wanting children, wanting to adopt and everything like that, that there is a need to have babies to be carried full term.
	The only thing that I told him that I would have strict reservations as is the fact that could you imagine if you were raped and you had to carry a baby of the raper
	Inside you full term and stuff like that and that might be Something that might cause the female to possibly commit suicide Knowing that and of course having to raise that child You know that That she was raped in and wanted nothing to do with this.
	So again, you have the option is to adopt out the child or maybe the abortion like that, but the abortion thing is
	As you were mentioning, the fact that the woman's right to choice is most important, but if they would teach morals, unlike as the symptoms of declining America, where all this stuff was basically taught in school before, but it wasn't boys or girls running condoms over broomsticks and stuff like that.
	It was more of an oral thing.
	Today, they're teaching everything.
	Uh, they didn't hand out free condoms at school when we were in school.
	Do you ever remember that?
	No.
	Uh, but they have, they've destroyed the morality of this country, which just gets worse and worse or turn it into like Sodom and Gomorrah, like, you know, and so anyway, when I was telling my little friend that, like he understood that fact there, basically it was, if you couldn't, uh, you know, contain yourself like that, then you, you had other options, you know, manual, you know,
	But the point is, is never take the rights and liberties from other people just for five to 15 minutes worth of sex like that, because you can destroy someone's life for eternity because of them having to make the choice of killing a baby.
	And the other thing is, if they're religious and have this morality and stuff, they have to live with that the rest of their life of what they did.
	So anyway, he understood that quite firmly there.
	Jim, I put another video for you in Skype there, and I think you'll like this one here too.
	This is Donald Trump talking about alternatives to the COVID.
	And this has been memory hold.
	And again, I'm not into politics and politicians and stuff like that.
	But if you play that video, you'll see how Donald Trump was against a lot of this stuff.
	And I think he was played royal by his kosher friends.
	Well, let me see here.
	I see you have a video.
	It's the actual video.
	Let's see what we can do with this.
	And I hope they use the hydroxychloroquine and they can also do it with Z-Pak subject to your doctor's approval and all of that.
	But I hope they use it because I'll tell you what, what do you have to lose?
	In some cases, they're in bad shape.
	What do you have to lose?
	It's been out there for a long time and I hope they use it.
	And they're going to look at the With doctors.
	Work with doctors.
	Get what you have to get.
	But we have it stockpiled and we have a lot of it.
	One of the reasons that I keep talking about hydroxychloroquine is that the question that nobody ever asks and the question that I most hate the answer to is what happens if you do have a ventilator?
	What are your chances?
	And I just hope that Hydroxychloroquine wins.
	Coupled with perhaps the Z-Pak as we call it.
	Dependent totally on your doctors and the doctors there.
	Because you know the answer to that question.
	If you do have the ventilator, you know the answer to that question.
	And I hate giving the answer.
	So I don't want to get him there.
	I don't want to get him there.
	There's a possibility.
	A possibility.
	And I say it.
	What do you have to lose?
	I'll say it again.
	What do you have to lose?
	Take it.
	I really think they should take it.
	But it's their choice.
	And it's the doctor's choice or the doctor's in the hospital.
	But hydroxychloroquine.
	Try it.
	If you'd like.
	The other thing.
	If you have a heart condition, I understand.
	Probably you stay away from the Z-Pak, but that's an antibiotic.
	It can clean out the lungs.
	The lungs are a point of attack for this horrible virus.
	But when you have a ventilator, don't ask the answer because I hate it.
	If you have it and it's working beautifully, I don't like the answer because it's not a very high percentage.
	So I want to keep them out of ventilators.
	I want to keep them, if this drug works, it will be not a game changer, because that's not a nice enough term.
	It will be wonderful.
	It'll be so beautiful.
	It'll be a gift from heaven if it works, because when people go into those ventilators, you know the answers.
	I know the answers, and I'm glad you don't write about it.
	That's a wonderful clamp.
	Yeah, I'm so glad because it shows how much Trump was not really promoting the vacs so much as he was dealing with the pandemic, which of course was fabricated.
	And at one point, you had Deborah Birx there in the background, and she has herself admitted that she manipulated, she misrepresented Trump, the numbers and the law about this, the protocols for CDC, she misrepresented them to Trump.
	So she is one of the Well, you've got Carol Baker, too.
	predicament along with Anthony Tony the Rat Fauci who they both deserve to rot in hell for eternity.
	Well you've got Carol Baker too.
	Remember she's the one that says that the whites were less likely to get vaccinated and so we'll just get rid of them.
	And at the same time she says immigrants now they'll take the vaccine and The point is, though, is Biden administration made it so that they were exempt.
	Yeah, yeah, well, it's like they've just passed the FISA warrant surveillance thing again, where Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, betrayed all of his promises to the Freedom Caucus.
	They exempted themselves, Congress exempted themselves from the warrantless spying they've now authorized for Pfizer.
	I mean, this is just disgusting.
	Keith, disgusting.
	Our Congress, we trained us again and again and again.
	Yeah, well, again, they're all bought off.
	There's that one, I could find it where it says that over, was it 2,700 world leaders got exemptions from the COVID vaccines.
	Why would they want an exemption?
	You'd think the leaders of the Vax is good for you, be the first in line, be given priority because we want to save our leaders.
	Continuity of government.
	See, if they knew it was a bioweapon, it was being targeted on certain people and they weren't part of it like that.
	If it's in the Vax, if you know what I mean, then they wouldn't have to worry about it.
	Of course.
	The point I'm making is if it had been legit, if it had been good for us, they would have been the first who ought to have received the jab.
	In fact, I think any time we have any of these processes and procedures going on, Congress ought to be mandated to be the first to be subjected to the medical procedure they want to force off on the rest of us.
	I think a lot of stuff is being done right now as a, as a distraction to while we're busy looking at one thing they're pushing through.
	You, of course you heard that Klaus Schwab's in the hospital.
	Uh, hopefully he won't make it out.
	But anyway, uh, Tell me, tell me more.
	What's the deal with Klaus?
	What kind of medical embarrassment?
	They haven't said what the medical condition is, just that he was suddenly checked into the hospital.
	Joel had mentioned that too, there on his show with Chris there.
	But, uh, uh, I've got the article.
	I can send it to you if you want.
	Yeah.
	I wish you wouldn't.
	There's no one.
	I feel more deserving of an early defines and didn't cloud.
	Yeah.
	Hey, you know, Jim, I said, I think a lot, like I care about people.
	I don't care what color you are, what religion and stuff like that, whether you're atheist.
	It doesn't matter to me.
	I just care.
	I was on the fire department for years.
	Like when you get a call at 20 below weather, Two feet of fresh snow and the plows haven't been out or anything like that because of, you know, uh, uh, state funds and stuff, you know, but you don't care whether you're going to, uh, some IE drunken Indian that's rolled his vehicle or something like that, you know, or some other idiot that, uh, went around a corner too fast and they're carrying a meth of, uh, a pound of meth, or I guess that's what they call it.
	I'm not, I'm not into that drug stuff like that.
	That was one of the last calls I was on.
	But you don't care about the people's background stuff like that.
	You're there to save lives.
	And that's what all Americans should be doing, is saving lives like that, you know?
	And so, when you look at the last three and a half, four years about all this COVID stuff, and it was all about saving lives, then why are there billions of dollars being spent on war, which have taken over a million people, and it just keeps going?
	So, you know, so it's not about saving lives.
	Uh, another thing I thought about in this distraction.
	Do you remember Jim, the opening to Enemy of the State with Robert?
	Okay.
	One of my favorite films.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So the Senator who's supposed to be passing this spying thing doesn't want to do it.
	What do they do?
	They off him, right?
	The way that movie opens, though, is this was all recorded on a bird.
	Yeah, he was a member of the House, not the Senate.
	Well, whatever it was.
	Anyway, it was recorded on this camera that was supposed to be watching these birds from across the lake.
	Right.
	And, you know, that what got me is it seems like a lot of these high profile things like the ship that crashes into the bridge.
	Isn't it interesting that that was all on film?
	They knew exactly where to go to get that camera footage of that bridge.
	No, you're mistaking.
	That's normal.
	They have that standard filming of the ships.
	I realize that, but it's always there though.
	So we get distracted on it and we sit there for weeks debating what happened and stuff like that.
	When the meantime, the World Economic Forum is going on, they're passing this stuff.
	Like say, is Russia trying to stop our food supply?
	No.
	Is it WEF?
	Yes.
	See, Russia just gave out 45 tons worth of more free grain down to some other area in Africa and stuff.
	Russia's not trying to starve people to death.
	They're not trying to liquidate our meat from our diet and stuff and give us this fake food and stuff.
	If anyone cared about this country and other people and stuff, why aren't they sitting there demanding, writing their so-called representatives saying, look, We don't want this fake meat.
	We know we're on to your climate change scam, you know.
	One volcano pumps out trillions of metric tons of carbon, along with sulfur and stuff like that, you know.
	Are they going to do?
	Are they going to cap all these volcanoes?
	There's, what, 47 right now in the Pacific Ring alone?
	Are they going to cap all these volcanoes?
	Are they going to start taxing under carbon taxes and stuff of these certain countries and tax them out of existence because they have a hundred, like in Indonesia, a hundred and some odd active volcanoes over in Indonesia alone?
	Like, are they going to tax Indonesia out of existence like that because they can't control their volcanoes?
	You know?
	You mean with an absurd carbon or CO2 tax?
	Listen, listen, today is the first day of the Trump trial in New York.
	These are all phony trials.
	But just a couple of days ago, Trump posted a letter from Storny Daniels.
	Get this.
	You'll never know what you'll find when it's spring gleaning time.
	Such might be the case with President Trump who came across an old item, posted it online Wednesday afternoon.
	What did he find?
	What's a letter from Stormy Daniels signed to Eve Hunt?
	This sure puts a crimp on the Democrats' narrative about hush money, doesn't it?
	Here's DC Drano tweeting, Trump just posted a 2018 letter signed from Stormy Daniels on Truth Social that destroys the Democrats' hush money witch hunt.
	She says, I'm denying this affair because it never happened.
	Inconvenient for the fake news narrative.
	Here it is, Donald Trump.
	Look what was just found with the fake news reported.
	Official statement of Stormy Daniels dated way back January 30th, 2018, to whom it may concern.
	Over the past few weeks, I've been asked countless times to comment on reports of an alleged sexual relationship I had with Donald Trump many, many, many years ago.
	The fact of the matter is that each party to this alleged affair denied its existence in 2006, 2011, 2016, 2017, and now again in 2018.
	I'm not denying this affair because I was paid hush money, as has been reported in overseas-owned tabloids.
	I'm denying this affair because it never happened.
	I will have no further comment on this matter.
	Be feel free to check me out.
	Yeah.
	Well, again, I'm from Las Vegas.
	Sherry's Ranch, all this stuff.
	If a man wants to go out there and pay for a piece, as we would call it, that's up to him.
	That's his business like that.
	God believe.
	Yeah.
	Well, again, I'm from Las Vegas, Sherry's Ranch, all this stuff.
	If a man wants to go out there and pay for a piece, as we would call it like that, that's up to him.
	That's his business like that.
	In politics, especially in DC with the Epstein and now this P. Diddy and stuff like that, If someone wants to go out and have sex, that's fine like that, you know?
	But to make it public, which they do, I remember back in the 80s, I think it was, when Rock Hudson was diagnosed with AIDS, you know?
	And that was one of those shadow diseases.
	Today, it's a merit badge.
	Hey, you got AIDS?
	Great, we can treat it like that, you know?
	But everything is being so, well, perverted.
	So, I mean, What would Trump be doing anything different than say JFK?
	Or the Kennedy, what's his name?
	Him and his car.
	They use the stupidest things to try to take down an opponent like that.
	When the fact is, Trump has a contact thing.
	I send him three, four times, sometimes a day emails.
	A lot of his opposition seems to come from his most inner circle of friends.
	And that's the problem, you know.
	But they're using this for something that Trump did a legal transaction for anyway, regardless of how much truth there is to it or not.
	It was a legal transaction.
	And they're trying to roll this out there to make Trump look bad.
	Actually, for what it does for most Americans in today's time, it says, hey, he's one of the boys.
	Going out on a Friday night, you know?
	Well, the fact is Trump had beautiful women throwing themselves at him all the time.
	He didn't do it.
	His response, too, when he was, you know, they made up that Steele dossier about Russiagate, that he'd hired prostitutes to pee on a bed that Barack and Michael Obama had slept in.
	He said, I wouldn't do something like that.
	I'm germaphobic.
	This is not a guy who's gonna have sex with a woman who has sex with lots and lots of men, even does it professionally.
	It's just, the whole story is absurd.
	But the Democrats have scraped the bottom of the barrel in trying to trash him legally because they cannot beat him politically fair and square.
	So there's this clear case of election interference, and we know it's happening across the board.
	The other case is involving the classified documents.
	I mean, that's a particularly clear case, Keith, in my opinion, because Donald Trump as president had the ultimate declassification authority, had a standing order that any documents he took home with him were automatically declassified.
	He had a vault, a secure vault, to hold those documents safely that had been approved by both the National Archives and the FBI.
	Joe Biden as vice president did not have declassification authority.
	He was entitled to have even one of those documents.
	He did not have a secure safe.
	He had them in cardboard boxes, some of which were even in his garage with his beloved Corvette.
	So in my opinion, it was a slam dunk.
	Biden was guilty, Trump not.
	I mean, it's just absurd.
	And the American people continue to be played again and again by the fake news media, Keith.
	It's disgusting.
	Jim, though, again, look, all this stuff about Trump and then what has the FBI been doing for the last two and a half some odd years or actually almost, well, However long it's been now that they've been burying all this stuff about Hunter, his laptop, the videos that surfaced online.
	You can see that clearly these were young, uh, young adolescents and stuff like that, you know?
	Uh, anything to distract from what Joe Biden and his son were doing, Burisma, all this stuff, you know?
	Uh, and yet it's, it's, it's, it's like, get shorty, it's get Trump, you know?
	And again, I'm not into politics and stuff like that, but I, as I've mentioned, Trump's most inner circle is the one that's been doing this to him like that.
	And for him to clean the swamp, he's going to have to probably have to give up some friendship if he wants to bring this country back around.
	And matter of fact, I'll say this.
	I made a couple comments on his contact page about this make America great again.
	I told him how sick that sounded.
	When was America great?
	And I've noticed there's new hats that come out just says make America great.
	They've dropped the again.
	So, Trump wants out of NATO, he wants out of the Middle East, he wants out of Ukraine, Russia, he wants out of all, he wants to build America, so kudos to him if he can accomplish this.
	You're telling me they dropped E again because you suggested America never was great?
	I said that and I noticed that new hats now, instead of saying mega, make America great again, it just says make America great.
	And you'll see those ads on BitChute when you bring up a video.
	Well, you know, I'd say four years ago we were so much better off under Trump.
	We had secure borders.
	We had a thriving economy.
	We were energy independent.
	The nation was basically Adhering to law, and under Biden we have open borders, we have crime absolutely rampant, we're teaching transgenderism to little kids who have no idea anything about sex.
	It is denying them their innocence of childhood.
	I couldn't imagine in my wildest dreams if I had a nightmare about the most despicable administration the United States could ever have.
	It wouldn't hold a candle to what we have in Washington, D.C.
	today.
	Did you see that video of the Golden Gate Bridge the other night, four nights ago now, where they had the entire Golden Gate Bridge blocked off and every driver coming across it was being robbed.
	And on the other side, They were spinning around doing brodies and stuff.
	I have never seen that in my entire, and I was born in California.
	I've never seen this kind of disrespect for law and order, the thieving, all this stuff like that.
	And was it Senator Kennedy?
	Yeah, Senator Kennedy was highlighting this as he read off all the conviction charges, which would be now thrown out.
	Breaking and entering, trespassing, all this stuff is what the Democrats want to get rid of.
	And, of course, they want to get rid of your guns, too, you know?
	So you're not supposed to have any way of legal defense.
	And I still remember that one.
	I can't remember her name, but she said... Well, if someone comes into your property... Hold, hold, hold on.
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	Brian, join the conversation.
	When you talk about abortion, I just can't help it, Jim.
	I always have to call in because it's black magic ritual.
	Okay, every abortion gives off all this horrible energy that they harvest and they use it against us.
	That's why our country's turned to shit because, you know, they've got so much discordant energy from things like this because The divine soul of any woman, as soon as that baby's conceived, okay, the soul has to be there for the baby to develop.
	If there's no soul, it can't do anything.
	And so when that baby's taken away, they are just beyond distraught, okay?
	Now, it doesn't translate down to us, you know, in our level, Because we're so far down, but it's their biggest source of energy.
	And the fact that 400 and some Jewish organizations were bemoaning the fact that Roe Wade was done away with, oh we need this.
	Anytime that they say it's good to have abortion, you know it's the complete opposite.
	So that's what I have to say about it.
	I mean, and I know about this stuff firsthand because of things that I do in the non-physical that's basically energetic stuff of the light that people have no idea about.
	And it's just, it's the worst thing we have.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Go on.
	No, I completely respect your opinion.
	You can believe that, however, sincerely, and I have no doubt it's a sincere belief.
	As an agnostic, who imposes upon himself the ethics of belief, never believing anything for which he does not have sufficient evidence, I can't buy any of what you've just said about the negative energy, even about the existence of souls.
	It's something beyond proof.
	We cannot prove the existence of souls.
	We also cannot prove the non-existence of souls.
	We cannot prove the existence of God.
	We also cannot prove the non-existence of God.
	Thus am I agnostic.
	But I do not personally regard Any of the argument you just gave is having any validity at all, and I recognize in doing so that you believe it 100%.
	Keith, your thoughts?
	Well, same here.
	Again, we're back to personal choice, but again, I believe all life is sacred, regardless of whether it's on a battlefield or an operating room.
	Brian was going considerably beyond the idea that all life is sacred, and as I've explained, of course, it's really not a question of life.
	It's not even a question of biology.
	It's not a question of whether this is a developing entity that would become a person and a baby at birth, which is a traditional use of the word baby, the result of a live birth.
	So it's when it's being applied at previous stages especially the first two trimesters it's inappropriate and inaccurate it's wrong but politically it's expedient it's loaded language and it carries a rhetorical and emotional.
	Impact that can affect rational intellectual discourse about the issue and of course is being among the most controversial and emotional laden in american life obviously.
	We have very strong divergence of opinion with being represented right here and now.
	Brian, go ahead.
	Say more, Brian.
	Well, I just want you to think logically of the fact that if you've got 400 Jewish organizations that are bitching and moaning because they did away with Roe versus Wade, knowing our history with I just want you to think logically of the fact that if you've got 400 Jewish organizations that are bitching and moaning because Knowing our history with these Jewish people, that right there should tell you that, you know what?
	Abortion is a really bad thing.
	Just using logic concerning them.
	Anything they say is good, it's always going to be the opposite.
	That's how I look at them.
	I offered courses in logic for 35 years, okay?
	Logic concerns inferences between sentences and other sentences, what you're entitled to believe if you make certain assumptions about what else is true, what else must also necessarily be true, what else must
	Probably be true if the evidence is true, plus abductive reasoning where you offer alternative hypotheses and make a calculation about the probability of the available evidence if the hypothesis were true and you can compare alternatives to sort out, which provides a more plausible or reasonable account of the evidence.
	OK, that's my area.
	That's one of my areas of specialization.
	You're not talking about logic.
	You're talking about politics.
	You're saying, and this is not, but Brian, I'm not, I'm not faulting your argument, but calling it logic.
	You're saying if these Jewish organizations are all favoring it, it's not unreasonable to infer that's because it's somehow promoting their goals and not necessarily those of America, for example.
	I mean, that's basically your argument, but the point I'm making is there may be independent reasons why women are not in a position to carry a fetus to term, and it ought to be left up to them independently, over and apart from the fact that Jewish organizations might promote abortion.
	That's my stance.
	Go for it.
	If P then Q, you negate it, anything they say, If we have abortion, it's good.
	Okay?
	That's their argument, and I negate anything they say.
	If we have abortion, then it's bad.
	That's how I look at it.
	Okay?
	Because everything they say is a lie.
	Everything they do and say, there's no truth within them.
	So, and if you've got that many organizations, that just tells you right there, Well, abortion is really bad.
	That's how I look at it.
	Plain and simple.
	Right.
	Brian and I respect your right to look at it that way.
	I'm not going to contest your right to look at it that way.
	That's how you look at it.
	You've said it here very clearly.
	No one has any doubt where Brian stands and how Brian looks at abortion.
	OK, similarly, I think no one has any doubt about where Keith stands, how Keith looks at abortion or where I stand, how I look at abortion.
	Let me ask you, are there any other issues we spoke of today that Perhaps less controversially or worthy of your commentary?
	Do you have any thoughts about anything else we've been discussing?
	Well, no, because when you get on that, I just, I just, I just, you know, I, I have so much experience with this and the non-physical and, you know, and because you guys don't have those experiences, then you, you can't get The information that I get to make a decision, and that's what the dark have done to us in this world.
	People don't have their telepathy.
	They don't have their third eye.
	They don't understand these things.
	When you do, then you can really see a lot of different things that people in this world just can't see.
	Well, of course, the catch being that subjective experiences are not transferable to other persons, and they don't have the same.
	Epistemic or cognitive significance for anyone else they have for those parties who experience them, thus individuals who believe they've been touched by God.
	You know, they've had a divine interaction that's not transferable to other person.
	They may believe it intensely and be fully warranted in their own terms in the belief, but.
	If there is no God, then obviously there are no divine interventions, but there are reasons why people would believe they had divine interventions, even in the absence of a divinity.
	Keith, your thoughts?
	Yeah, I had a thought on that.
	Oh, at one of these demonstrations, there was a gal that had a t-shirt type thing on that said that the baby's life doesn't begin until it takes its first breath.
	And so that Trying to justify that you can abort a fetus at any time because it's not a human until it takes its first breath.
	No, it's not that it's not a human, Keith.
	This is getting back to that use of the word baby.
	Baby traditionally has been used to refer to the offspring of a live birth.
	That's the point that's intended to make.
	We have another caller here from the Area Code 5 Hey Jim, I'm curious.
	If you had to bet your life on it, do you think Trump and Stormy Daniels got it on, or do you believe they didn't get it on?
	I don't believe they had sex.
	No, that's my opinion.
	Okay, then let me ask you a question here.
	I'm trying to be the devil's advocate a little bit.
	Why didn't I think Michael Cohen, I think it's been proven.
	He gave her 140 grand right out of his own account and Trump reimbursed him.
	Yeah.
	So, so why did he give her that money?
	Uh, I, I can't answer that question, but it, in fact, it turns out that paying a hush money is not illegal.
	So.
	Look, even if he'd had sex with Stormy Daniels, even if he'd given her hush money, he did nothing illegal.
	They're trying to finagle it into a conversion of campaign funds for personal benefit.
	That's going to emerge now in the course of this trial.
	It's very convoluted.
	You know, it's grasping after straws.
	But for the sake of arguments, that you want to push the argument, even if they had sex, he didn't do anything wrong.
	I'm not asking that, Jim.
	I understand, you know, how those things work.
	I'm just asking you, do you believe that they had sex or they didn't?
	And I'm saying, I believe they did, but I'm not claiming to be certain about it.
	Well, I don't know what $140,000 was for.
	I gotta think that had a little something to do with something.
	I don't know.
	I can't prove it one way or the other.
	Are you buying because the money was paid that they may have had sex?
	That's a perfectly good argument to make.
	I don't have a problem with the argument.
	You're asking me a question about the fact of the matter.
	And I'm inclined to believe they did not, but on the other hand, that leaves me in the predicament of how do I explain then the hush money?
	Why would you have even bothered if they hadn't had it?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	You know what?
	That's a good question.
	Let me ask Keith the same question, may I?
	Sure, of course.
	What do you think, Keith?
	I don't care.
	It's his private life, what he did in there.
	You know, why is he in the limelight, you know?
	I understand that.
	I'm just saying, if you're life-dependent on it, do you think that they did or they didn't?
	You know, what's your question?
	If you're life-dependent on it, love it!
	Right!
	Are you gonna, Keith, are you gonna respond?
	Well, again, what deals are made, whether it's in and out of the bedroom and stuff, Uh, I don't believe it should be.
	It's, I mean, it's, it's like the rumors about Lindsey Graham, what he does in his own closet is his own business.
	Uh, but when you bring it out in the public and stuff and you prayed around like buddy gig and stuff like that, that's what, that's when you, you start wondering about your representatives.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I, I didn't get a yes or no from either of you, but I can understand that.
	You know what I mean?
	I think personally that they did.
	I remember him calling her horse face, and she's calling him tiny, and there was a back and forth there.
	I think there was something going on.
	I could be mistaken myself, but when 140 grand passes hands, generally it's, you know what I mean, if she'd just come out and made some wild allegation, okay, I think they'd just snuff her off and say, you're crazy, you know what I mean, write her off.
	Yeah, but doesn't that letter that Jim read earlier that Trump found in his little scrap box, doesn't that kind of disprove that?
	Oh, she denied it.
	I think that's what she originally got paid for, if not.
	But I'll tell you, on your defense, I think that some judge eventually ruled she had to pay that money back or something.
	I forget, you know, what transpired or something.
	But, you know, I was just curious.
	I mean, I personally think they did.
	I mean, you know, the guy was been a playboy.
	We know that.
	I think she's an attractive woman, you know, despite how many partners she's had over the decades or whatever.
	You know what I mean?
	But they had a little back and forth there in the public, if you guys recall, you know, and, uh, you know, for her to come out and make a statement, oh, we never had sex.
	I mean, you know, I, I just, you know, maybe she got more than that 140 grand and you know what I mean?
	She's going to shut her duck house, you know?
	But I mean, that's kind of a, maybe a stupid question, but you know, you guys both.
	Did you hear when I, I read the letter that he found that she issued in 2018, let me pull it into view so I can read it to you effortlessly.
	You must have missed this, Frank, but here it comes.
	I heard you referring to it.
	I didn't hear the letter itself, but I don't know how much credence we can put in that.
	But of course, this could be fake too.
	Here it is.
	Trump just posted a 2018 signed letter from Stormy Daniels on Truth Social that destroys the Democrats' hush money, which I... Here it is.
	Official statement of Stormy Daniels, January 30th, 2018.
	To whom it may concern.
	Over the past few weeks, I've been asked countless times to comment on reports of an alleged sexual relationship I had with Donald Trump many, many, many years ago.
	The fact of the matter is that each party to this alleged affair denied its existence in 2006, 2011, 2016, 2017, and now again in 2018.
	I'm not denying this affair because I was paid hush money, as has been reported in overseas owned tabloids.
	I am denying this affair because it never happened.
	I will have no further comment on this matter.
	Feel free to check me out on Instagram at The Stormy Daniels, thank you, signed Stormy Daniels.
	Your thoughts, Frank?
	OK, well, you know, I don't know if I give her a lot of credence, Jim.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know when that thing was made up, if she made it up.
	And, you know, I mean, could she be possibly not telling the truth?
	You know what I mean?
	Of course, of course.
	That's the whole issue, isn't it?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, I got to appreciate both you guys.
	I asked you for a yes or no and you both gave me, you know, not a yes or a no, but you know, I gave you a no.
	I said, I don't believe it.
	Oh, you did.
	OK.
	All right.
	You didn't hear me say that?
	Frank, you didn't hear me say?
	Yes, Jim.
	You're right.
	I apologize.
	I've been smoking a little pot.
	Pot's legal in New York.
	But I said, of course, I can't be certain about it.
	I'm just giving you my assessment of the weight of the evidence.
	My assessment.
	But, Frank, I fully agree.
	You could be completely right.
	In the 140, I mean, it is funny.
	Why would he be giving her all this money in the first place?
	So that's a totally valid point.
	Brian, did you want to add your thoughts about Stormy Daniels?
	I think it could be that they didn't, but his team thought that the publicity would be bad.
	Was this before he was president?
	I'm trying to remember when all this came to light.
	Was it something they were using?
	Against him to try and affect his campaign and him not be elected, then I could definitely say that they would pay it even though he didn't have sex with her, just to make sure that, you know, they didn't have anything affecting his run for the presidency.
	It was before the 2020 election, you know, his running for re-election and they were They were scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything they could find against him.
	Your argument is a good one, Brian.
	I like that.
	Frank, do you have a thoughts about Brian's suggestion that they were trying to?
	Go ahead.
	So you're just throwing 140 grand around for no reason at all.
	I mean, no reason at all.
	But the possibility that she might bring something forth.
	I mean, couldn't anybody say that?
	And if a hundred people came out and said, oh, I didn't fare with Trump, okay, get them a hundred grand, get them out of the way, get them out of the way.
	You know, I mean, remember with Tiger Woods?
	I like it.
	I like it.
	You're being very spirited.
	You're making a great argument.
	Go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	Brian, do you want to respond?
	Well, but he didn't have a lot of people doing that.
	You know, I'm sure their thinking would be, well, if we get this one, it might be the last one.
	And possibly, if they had more crop up, then they'd have to take a different tact to it.
	But, you know, and I don't know.
	That's just a thought.
	Let me add another point here, Frank.
	Even though I am inclined to believe they did not have sex, I am also inclined to believe the jury's going to find him guilty anyway, and then it'll go up to the appellate level, maybe even the Supreme Court, before it's dumped.
	It's all the vice to lock Trump down so that he can't get onto his presidential stuff.
	Keith, and then I'll come back to Frank.
	Keith, go ahead.
	Yeah, it's all devised so that Trump is locked down with constant court cases so he can't get onto his campaign and do anything about the country and stuff like that.
	By the way, Jim, if you want to laugh, check your Skype there for that image, okay?
	It's funnier than hell.
	Go ahead, Frank.
	I forget what I was going to say here.
	Regarding Trump and What's her name?
	You know, I just sincerely believe that it took place.
	But, you know, oh, I know what you're going to say.
	You know, they're going to railroad them.
	They got them in Washington, D.C.
	and New York City.
	I mean, they're going to get anti-Trumpers in those juries.
	You know what I mean?
	And it's not right.
	I mean, I'll tell you, I got one other point, if I may.
	You know, two days after the election in 2016, Trump and Obama had a one-on-one meeting.
	OK, they generally last 10, 15 minutes.
	Okay, he went in there, he was happy, Jeff French had a copy of the whole thing, and he went in, he comes out of that meeting, it was an hour and a half, and he looked scared shitless, okay?
	You can go on to DailyBail.com and see some of the pictures.
	He's meeting with Mitch McConnell after that meeting, he's meeting with Paul Ryan, all those creeps, okay?
	And you can see his face.
	I mean, he's forcing smiles, but his eyes aren't really smiling.
	You know, and there was a body language reader, and she said, I think something happened, he became fearful.
	And I truthfully believe Trump was sincere up to that time, and I think in that hour and a half, I think Obama, who was controlled, I believe, by the CIA, as I said in the past, and I know you think George Soros is running the whole show from the top, okay, but I think the CIA, you know what I mean, they've got more influence overall, obviously, you know, just with the Mockingbird media, you know what I'm saying?
	I heard comments on that, that he was probably showing the original Zabruder film.
	Yeah, I heard things today, but that actually took an hour and a half.
	And if you see, if you go in there, you can see photographs of him after that.
	And you can see he does have fear in his face, you know, and they had a body language reader and she said, yeah, for some reason he's become fearful.
	You can tell that.
	And I think Obama's a tool.
	You know, I think Obama's running the white house now.
	I think we can all agree that he's got a lot of influence right now, if not calling all the shots.
	And I do believe that Obama was created by the CIA.
	And I think, you know, the CIA is very influential.
	I mean, they go around the world toppling governments.
	And, you know, it's crazy what we're doing.
	We're the most hated country in the world.
	40 years ago, we were the most loved country.
	Yeah.
	In 2016, 30 CIA agents were running for political office and almost every one of them were appointed.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, you can go to the World Socialist website and Google that about CIA 2016 running for office, and you'll find out that almost all 30 were appointed.
	You know, that reminds me, remember they came out, they had the 51 guys in the intelligence network who said that the Russian stuff with Trump was official, that it was actually, you know, Russian interference?
	It's a shadow government.
	Oh, without a doubt.
	It's terrible.
	You know, like I say, I think the CIA has got much more influence than they should have.
	You know, the church hearings back in the 70s, they showed what they had then.
	Yeah.
	The CIA carte blanche.
	It's under the special state secret act that the CIA was.
	Anything they did was carte blanche.
	It's just like in Britain, you know.
	Mm hmm.
	You know, it's disgusting that, you know, we got these people running the show.
	And, you know, the average American, they're not aware of, you know, they're watching Dancing with the Stars or the Voice or some garbage.
	It's disgusting.
	The people, what they're getting away with is, I'm on Social Security, okay?
	I get about $1,500 a month.
	I worked about 35 or 40 years.
	They're giving these people coming across the border more money than I get each month.
	Plus, they're giving them iPhones and all of this.
	And the people tolerate it.
	And the Republicans, they don't stand up and do anything.
	I mean, you know, I think they're going to dump Biden.
	You know, I think he's going to go.
	We'll have to see.
	But, you know, I mean, even when under Obama, Obama was turning some people away.
	He wasn't inviting them in.
	Here's one for you.
	Think of the over 100 and some odd billion dollars given over to Ukraine.
	Remember, Trump wanted, what, five billion for his border wall, and an Israeli firm got the contract to build a prototype of the wall and stuff, and it's like the wall never went up, so where'd all that money go?
	Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
	Well, I heard right now that Kushner, okay, Trump's son-in-law, I heard he's involved with some companies, and they're already talking about buying land over there in Gaza, you know, after they, you know, the people.
	Luxury condominium, yeah.
	It's illegal.
	Frank, this has just been a sensational call.
	I'm just delighted you called in, and I love your arguments.
	And most certainly, you've got a great question here about the hush money.
	We'll see how this plays out during the trial.
	And I look forward to your next call, Frank.
	I'm just very, very happy you called in today.
	Do you have a final thought you'd like to share?
	Yes, I'm glad you and Keith are back.
	I remember he filled in for you one day, and he said something anti-Trump, and some guy from Florida called up, said, oh, he was doing this, and he was doing that.
	And you befriended Keith.
	You guys got back together.
	I'm glad to see you guys together.
	And I enjoy hearing Brian when he calls in, too.
	OK?
	And I'll call in more often.
	Good, Frank.
	Yeah.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	Brian, too.
	Thanks, Keith.
	Super job.
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