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Nick Kollerstrom: "The Fictional History of Israel" Jan. 17, 2024
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I'm so extremely pleased to have Nick Kohlstrom with me here today, where Nick is one of the leading experts on the history of Israel and a whole host of related issues.
I featured him before on the just war Russia is fighting against Ukraine, for example.
He's done absolutely sensational work on a wide range of other issues.
He's the leading expert on the London 7-7 subway bombing, for example, where his book Terror on the Tube is now in the seventh or eighth printing or edition.
Nick, it's been absolutely sensational what you've done there and on a host of other issues.
Today, we're talking about the history of Israel, which is largely encapsulated by mythology.
Nick, give us a start here about the fictional history of Israel.
Right, Jim.
Okay, well, I'm a science historian, and I feel it behooves all of us to struggle to get some picture of what has happened in the Holy Land, and I want to look at how when The Jews, after World War Two, were given Israel.
Nobody had quite the idea, the understanding people have today, of what had really happened in the Holy Land.
Let's see if we can try to get a better picture.
Now this shows you what initially, 1948-47, Israel became, what Jews were given, And just meditate for a while, this dark green area, what a very, very strange boundary is to be given.
Why would anyone choose or design to have a country of that shape?
Now we're looking at, next slide, at the way the ancient Israel was part of the land west of the Jordan River, that it was not given, it did not take that land.
If we go back a minute to the earlier slide, Jim, it's got a perimeter all the way around that it's given.
You see on the west coast there of the Mediterranean what we now call Gaza, the Gaza Strip.
You can see that's not part of Israel.
You can see it's got a huge chunk of the Sinai Desert.
Well, why is it given all that?
What's that got to do with them?
Why would they have any claim to that?
So there's a huge chunk of the desert And the whole middle ground, which was left to the Palestinians, without access to the sea, which is extremely strange.
Why would they be given that?
And it's hard to avoid the impression that their intention here was to gradually take over that middle ground, which is what they've done ever since, of course.
They've gradually moved in on that middle ground and obviously want to take all of it.
So on the basis of an event which I would argue never happened in World War Two.
They had the sympathy of the world and they could claim, oh, we want Israel and we have the right to take it, take over it.
Because some couple of thousand years ago, you know, there was a land called Israel over there.
OK, next slide.
Now, notice here that the two seas, the Dead Sea and Sea of Galilee, Jordan River connecting them, and on the west of that Jordan River, I'd like you to notice, first of all, there's Galilee, which is west of the Sea of Galilee.
That's where Jesus' disciples came from.
South of that is what is called Israel on this map, although it was often known as Samaria.
And also, the ancient Assyrians called it Omri, or Kingdom of Omri.
He was the first, he was the king there.
Omrides, Kingdom of Omri, Samaria.
And it's called here Israel.
Generally speaking, I'd like to argue that Israel, ancient Israel, was a people rather than a nation.
Okay?
But there is Israel and south of Israel is Ephraim and then south of that is Judea and you can see Jerusalem around what is called Judea.
around Jerusalem and Bethlehem, around what is called Judea.
Now Judea lasted quite a bit longer than Israel and Israel when it existed, this is in the 9th century BC, that's 29 centuries ago, okay?
Or is it 28?
29 centuries ago.
So this is a long time ago we're looking at, and Israel was a lot stronger than Judea, partly because the land was more fertile, and it was quite military.
It had Charioteers and it made the mistake of challenging the Assyrian Empire and was therefore defeated and it was swallowed up by the Assyrian Empire in 720, 722 BC.
So remember that date.
Israel vanishes forever at 722 BC.
So remember that date, Israel vanishes forever, that's 722 BC, okay?
And Judea carries on for another century or so after that.
So the Old Testament texts start to be written in Judea after Israel has disappeared.
The country was called Israel and Hebrews then migrate south from Israel to Judea.
Judea starts to grow stronger and Jerusalem becomes a big centre of Judea.
It starts to become powerful around about the 7th century BC.
Now we're going to see the legends that are imagined.
Terrific legends of David and Solomon in the 10th century BC are imagined.
This is a retrospective history to create a glorious past.
Let's look at what actually existed.
So now we're at an earlier period of time than we've just looked at.
This is the ancient empire of Egypt.
This is the Bronze Age.
So it's earlier than what we just looked at.
This is the world's first empire And the terrific conquest, it's called the 18th Dynasty of Egypt, and it went from the Nile to the Euphrates River and extended right through, you can see right through the whole of Palestine, Al-Qaena, Syria, Sinai, desert, Egypt, Libya.
It was a terrific empire and it was wonderfully prosperous.
And that is what's remembered as the Golden Age of Egypt.
And we'll see in that 10th century BC, there is imagined in Palestine to have existed this kingdom of David and Solomon.
Here we are, it says King David's Empire, and this is in a couple of books of the Old Testament.
went out and established an empire from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Now it's an achievement of revisionist historians in the last 50 years or so, or perhaps let's say this century, to discover without any doubt that this empire never existed.
So this is a fictional, phantom, fake story we're looking at here.
of David and Solomon as having some huge empire.
So this is a Bible-based map on what supposedly existed.
I recommend anything written by Professor Israel Finkelstein.
He's a Hebrew professor at a university in Israel and he's written various books.
He spent a lifetime digging up archaeology of the Holy Land.
The point is that once Jews got access, after 1967, they had access to all around Judea and Jerusalem, and non-stop they were digging up.
It's the most archaeologically dug up part of the whole world.
They were endlessly trying to unearth, endlessly, with one thing in mind, they wanted to find evidence for King Solomon, for his temple, for his empire, for King Solomon's gold, for King Solomon's horses, King Solomon's archers, King Solomon's mines.
Anything of the great glorious story of King Solomon.
Not a trace.
Absolutely nothing.
It's important to ascertain that this is a result of half a century of Jews taking hold of the Old Holy Land, claiming they had a right to possess it, then digging up and not confirming their own story.
So I think this is a tremendous epic part of the modern world that Jews came to Israel and desperately searched for a confirmation of their Bible narrative and failed to get it.
What they did find, all around Judea, everywhere they dug up, they found little goddess figurines.
They found about 3,000 of them altogether, just about every site they dug up.
So this is a devoutly goddess-oriented culture up to about BC 600, goddess-worshipping culture, and they really didn't find Well, that's one exception.
Any evidence of this Yelloway-type God anywhere.
It just wasn't there, right?
I think let's absorb the fact that this revision of history has taken place and I ask, I beg any Christians listening to this to take on board that their terrific story of David and Solomon, which is in churches all over the world, Christian churches, that is a fictional narrative.
David did probably exist as some sort of, maybe a duke with a following, a couple hundred or so people followed him, roamed around the place.
But you can't have any kingdom.
This 10th century BC, there were no kingdoms in Palestine.
Okay?
The place was too poor.
And yeah, here we are, this terrific image, Temple of Solomon.
Gregory, I'm on the air, I'll call you at my first break.
Top of the air.
This is the great dream, as described in the book of Chronicles and Kings, the mighty and gold-plated, wonderfully gold-plated all over the place.
And what I'm saying is that this is a memory.
There were Hebrews, before anyone was a Jew, there were Hebrews in Egypt.
And they remembered the glorious temples, which did really exist, totally plated with gold, shimmering in the sunshine.
Amazing, glorious, gold-plated temple.
Gold and silver.
Electrum, plated with gold and absolutely splendid.
It was a place where gold was plentiful.
And the Hebrews were over there.
If you think of what is called the Exodus, there were some of them.
It wasn't that far away, 150 miles.
Went from Canaan to Egypt and back again.
So they carried with them the memory of these glorious temples of Egypt and they reproduced it in this whole story of the Temple of Solomon.
Pretty well everything about the Temple of Solomon is an echo and a memory of the glorious Temple of Egypt.
I think, except that they had loads of animal sacrifice going on in the Temple of Solomon, which Egyptians didn't do.
Apart from that, most of the things are regarded as being an echo of one of the Egyptian temples in the glorious 18th Dynasty, especially around the time of Akhenaten, which is when monotheism began.
Somehow they imagined monotheism or that they took with them memory of monotheism and the temples which they saw at that time.
So that's my suggestion of what the Temple of Solomon in the Old Testament really was.
Okay?
Okay?
Right, here's another one.
What was in the Temple of Solomon?
Well, it didn't really exist.
At that time, the 10th century, Let's be clear why it didn't exist.
Partly, there'd been a terrific drought for a couple of centuries, called Mycenaean drought, and a whole lot of towns and villages had kind of dried up.
Agriculture had stopped working.
A whole lot of honest, honest farmers all around Judea had turned into what was called Habiru.
This was a very disreputable people, the Habiru, who became the Hebrews.
Habiru meant mercenaries for hire, soldiers for hire, They had a very bad reputation because they couldn't make a living any longer with agriculture in that area.
It was such an awful drought.
And let's bear in mind that Jerusalem doesn't have fertile land around it.
It doesn't have any running water by it.
It's just on the top peak of a mountain.
It's not a place you might naturally curse.
You'd have a city there.
So it was hardly inhabited at that time, the 10th century.
And there certainly wasn't any kingdom there.
The kingdom didn't appear until two or three centuries later.
In the 7th century, it was a real capital city.
Here is the Bible story.
And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was 40 years.
So I'm putting it to you that Solomon didn't exist and Jerusalem never reigned over Israel.
Israel was way north of Jerusalem.
The fantasy here, if you'll forgive me saying this in the Old Testament, is the idea of a vast empire from the north of the Euphrates and that that is Israel.
That is the Bible story.
And for many centuries, or maybe a thousand years, people believed in what they call a Greater Israel, which was this imaginary huge empire, which is actually the Empire of Egypt, in fact, okay?
And this imaginary empire, and then the story is that that Greater Israel split up into Judea and Israel at some point.
That is the kind of narrative you get from Bible sources.
I'm echoing what modern historians like Thomas Thompson and Finkelstein say.
For example, here's the book The Mythic Past by Thomas Thompson.
I think he's a very good American revisionist.
Here is Here is Israel Finkelstein, David and Solomon.
These kind of books, I think they're very sound, absolutely honest.
Honest revisionist sources.
That's our best reconstruction of past history.
And I'm urging Christians, any Christians listening, give up this story.
It really didn't happen.
OK?
Maybe a great story, but there never was such an empire in that time.
There never was such an empire in that time.
Okay.
So this is the result of excavating the Holy Land with terrific intensity and dedication.
The most famous king in the world, probably, King Solomon, he fades into being a myth, a story.
If I make a comparison, it's like King Arthur in England, ruler of England.
Historians have to place the fact, which was created to give a glorious past to the English monarchy.
We have to face the fact that he was not a king of England, he was actually some king of Wales in the 5th century, and that isn't quite so romantic, right?
So we have to face the fact that this King Solomon, the word is a made-up name, it's to do with the sun, echoes of solar themes in it, the glorious sun king called Amenhotep the Third, Amenhotep.
He was like the Louis XIV of ancient Egypt, the glorious Sun King, and this myth is a kind of echo of his life.
For example, King Solomon lived peacefully for 30 years without war.
That applies to Amenhotep III, the great Who lived in a peaceful empire which had been established, the great empire from now on to the Euphrates.
So this becomes a myth and we have to accept It's nowadays used for Jews claiming they've got some right to expand the borders of Israel.
Jews nowadays try to pretend, oh yes we've got a great Israel which we used to have in the past.
No you didn't.
There never was any such greater Israel in the past.
It simply did not exist.
I think it's terribly important for the world to adjust to this fact and not let anyone in Israel use a bogus history As a justification for taking over other people's land.
Right.
Thank you.
OK, next.
Right.
Here's a very good book by a Muslim reviewing the history of Palestine, Masala, and he's a lecturer at London University.
So let me just read out.
Would you want to read it out, Jim?
Sure!
After more than 150 years and thousands of biblical excavations carried out in and around the Old City and Jerusalem, there is still no material history or archaeological or empirical evidence for the Kingdom of David from 1000 BC.
The reason for the lack of any material or empirical evidence for the kingdom of David and Solomon and other mega-narratives of the Old Testament is simple.
These are invented traditions.
Masala, 2007-2013 The Kingdom of David, as a large and influential polity, was probably based on a small tribal leader in Judea, the latter a name which appears in Assyrian sources in the course of the 8th and early 6th century BC.
This lack of material or empirical evidence for a united kingdom of David and Solomon is almost universally recognized by archaeologists in the West and also by some leading Israeli archaeologists from Israel's Palestine of 4,000 year history.
Right.
Okay.
So, as he says, David was a small tribal leader in Judea.
I think that's a very fair assessment.
So he did at least exist, and we know he existed because subsequent kings of Judea traced their ancestry from him.
They said from the house of David.
So that is really the main evidence that he actually existed.
Okay, right, next.
So what really was, What Jerusalem really was in that period, the Bible's history, here we are, the Bible's history, how writers create a past.
I recommend this revisionist historian facing the facts of what really happened.
In the 10th century, during the 12th century, this very severe drought, Marcionian drought, the end of the Bronze Age, Jerusalem was hardly inhabited at all.
It had been a small market town and it first acquired the status of a city in the middle of the 7th century.
So it was, as it were, it was, you could call it a capital city, and bear in mind what was then Judea was an Assyrian vassal state on the fringe of empire.
So the kings described in the Old Testament, insofar as they may have existed, there was not an independent nation.
It was a vassal state within the Assyrian Empire, which obviously doesn't say in the Bible.
In the Bible it doesn't really mention that Canaan was a kind of suburb or district of the Egyptian empire in the 10th century.
It just misses that out completely and so I think this is a realistic perspective that Judea in these centuries was within the Assyrian empire.
Okay right next.
Okay now that Tom Thompson about why these mega-narratives cannot possibly have happened.
The early period in which the traditions have set their narratives is an imaginary world of long ago.
It never existed as such.
In the real world, only a few dozen very small scattered hamlets and villages supported farmers in the Judean highlands.
They numbered hardly more than 2,000 persons, so they could just about do timber grazing and grazing lands, and there could not be a kingdom for any Saul or David to be king of, simply because they're not enough people.
The State of Judah did not yet exist.
There was no political force anywhere in Palestine developed enough to be capable of unifying the many economies and regions of this time.
So if it existed at all, It was still centuries from having the capacity of challenging any of the dozens of more powerful towns of Palestine.
So there were other towns, like Samaria for example, that was a main city that did have a temple, right?
Samaria.
I think Megiddo also, from which Armageddon comes.
Megiddo, that had a temple, but not Jerusalem.
So, Jerusalem did not become important in Central Asia.
Okay, now this is one of the, I think, two bits of evidence for any David character having existed.
There's three letters in this ancient Aramaic alphabet which allude to the House of David.
House of David.
So, I think this is way north, somewhere up around the Sea of Galilee, where it was found.
And it, so this can be interpreted as indicating that the character of David really existed.
So there's a terribly small amount.
Here is a narrative, which I much recommend for anyone about who David really was, by a Hebrew
Professor, I think he lectures in New York, or a professor of historical Israeli history, and he describes David as having quite a knack for taking other people's wives and a tendency to change sides during wars, as someone who could hardly be trusted because of
His tendency to flip over, I think it's with the Philistines, on their side, and then change over.
Anyway, here is Israel.
Nick, hold that thought.
I will return with Nick Coliston on the fictional history of Israel right after this break.
Right.
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Well, my special guest today, Nick Kolistrom, who is an internationally recognized expert in the history of science, is giving us a very meticulous, thorough, detailed exploration of the legendary history of Israel, which contains many, many fictional detailed exploration of the legendary history of Israel, which contains many, many fictional illusory elements, some of which are derived from the Bible, which is a
Which, of course, assuming Nick has it right, and I have no doubt, means we have here some statements in the Bible are provably false.
Now, I offer that only because there are those who tend to believe the Bible is literally true, is by the fact that it contains many contradictions, inconsistencies, biological and historical impossibilities, Nick, please do continue with this masterful dissection of the history of Israel.
Well, Jim, we saw how Israel did really exist as a people.
I mean, the very earliest mention of Israel, I think, is in the United Dynasty of Egypt.
It's on some clerk of a pharaoh.
So they were a people and they were in the Holy Land and That they historically got wiped out as a nation, 722 BC, and then in Christian texts they're referred to as more as a people, as a nation.
We're mainly concerned, I think now, with the modern state of Israel claiming it has a right to have land and territory.
I think that's our central theme today.
I'm trying to look at what in the past, if anything, validates that, okay?
Now, here is a top Israeli expert, Israel Finkelstein, making a comment about David.
He was not a king.
There were no kingdoms.
He was maybe some sort of mafia boss or duke.
I like this phrase.
You read it out, Jim.
Just read it out for us.
Whether by cunning intelligence or extraordinary historical circumstance, he alone, of all the now-forgotten ruffians and freebooters who roamed the rugged country between the Dead Sea and the Judean foothills, established a dynasty that ruled for the next 400 years.
Israel Vigelstein, David and Solomon, page 59.
Right, so that dynasty was in Judea, right, and the Kingdom of Judea did continue long after Israel had been wiped out.
Okay, next.
Right, now let's move on now to Jerusalem.
This is ancient, a picture of the ancient city of Jerusalem, Old David City, and you see here it's walled.
It shows something called the Gihon Spring, which was absolutely essential for its survival.
It's the one source of fresh water, a spring, and behind it what's called Mount Moriah.
Okay, so that's a picture of what is imagined to have been the Old City of David.
Okay, next.
Right, now we come on now to the picture which were given today of what was imagined to have been Solomon's Temple, which I argue had never existed.
In all sorts of books and stories, the Temple of Solomon is imagined to have been on what is called this Temple Mount, which exists today.
A 36 acre, almost square or rectangular, huge, a vast building to the north northern part of the city of Jerusalem.
And you see here the Western Wall.
That's the wall that everybody prays to today.
You get thousands of people praying and stuffing prayers, paper prayers, into the wall of the Western Wall.
So that's the main bit you see about today, but also this Israeli mosque has been built on this temple mount, and so there's whole storms around it.
If Jews say they want to rebuild their Solomon's Temple, they imagine they have to knock down the Islamic mosque to build it, right?
It sounds kind of funny, but I suppose it isn't really.
Okay, next.
Now here's a Christian Bible vision of the temple.
I would say it's actually for Antonia, which Hadrian built, and he built it for the Tenth Legion.
You have to keep an eye on Jerusalem.
There was up to about 10,000 Romans dwelt in this Fort Antonia.
I would say the whole surface you're looking at there was covered with all sorts of tents and buildings for Roman occupation.
I would say that's why it's built.
It was built at the top of a mountain, Mount Moriah.
And the Romans always built their forts on the top of a mountain or the highest part of any locality.
They always put their forts there and that's why this Roman fort was put there.
Whereas no Hebrew temple was ever built on the top of a mountain so it wasn't there.
It imagines some kind of buildings.
Okay, here is, in the corner, Wikipedia is imagining, in the corner of this Temple Mount, it's imagining the Fort Antonia, which is where the Romans dwelt.
Now, the idea that this huge Temple Mount would be built and then a little fortress on the corner would be where the Romans dwelt.
What kind of sense does that make?
Why would they want to put themselves in a little corner?
And how could this temple be built on this temple mount?
You see pictures of an imaginary... it's either Solomon's Temple or it's a rebuilt Solomon's Temple.
It's not clear what.
Right in the middle of this temple mount building.
Well, What period of history could such a temple have existed given that this huge temple mount was built by Romans?
I don't think there's any doubt that Romans built this.
Okay next.
Right here's another one.
I think this is from an Israeli museum.
It's showing you this Fort Antonio with an imaginary temple.
Now There are supposed to be two temples.
There's supposed to be Solomon's Temple, which was then destroyed in the Bible.
It describes how this one was destroyed by some pharaoh quite soon after.
And then the Jews were taken off into captivity and they then rebuilt their temple a second time.
That was then destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, and now Jews are planning, or claim to be planning, to build a third temple, which is pretty well where you see it here.
This diagram might be an imaginary picture of where they want to build their third temple.
That might be the idea.
They want to plonk it on top of this temple mount that the Romans built.
And it has to be there, it has to be there, because that's where they imagine the original Solomon's Temple was.
Okay, now here is the vast mighty wall, a very awesome wall, which the Jews really came across in 1967 when they stormed in, they took over Jerusalem from Muslims, pushed the Muslims out, and this awesome wall was kind of, well people knew it was there, but it became really exposed and Centre stage from 1967 onwards.
And why does anyone want to pray to a wall?
Because a lot of people do, right?
Jews are specifically told in their sacred texts not to pray to anything made out of stone or wood, but this seems to be an exception.
And they seem to imagine that somewhere behind that is the remains of Solomon's Temple.
Well, no, it's not there.
Only behind that is what in fact is called Mount Moriah.
That's the top.
Jerusalem runs a lot.
Jerusalem is built on this mountain, a fairly low mountain ridge, which reaches its highest point, Mount Moriah, just where this Fort Antonia is.
So the only thing behind this is the tip of Mount Moriah.
Which is why the huge Temple Mount is built there.
It's a slightly misleading term, very misleading, Temple Mount, because there was no temple there at all.
Do we have an idea of how this wall, which is very imposing, came to be built?
Well, I'll come on to that.
I would say there were origins of it that were megalithic.
That was pre-historical, or some forgotten era of history.
Supposedly Hadrian built this.
It's quite mysterious who did build it.
You can see the highest level, you can see smaller bricks, right?
Yeah.
And then you see the very large bricks lower down.
This is what makes it so awesome, why people want to pray to it, because the bricks are so huge.
And then if you go down lower still, which I'll be coming to, the bricks are even more gigantic and vast.
So there's something very primordial about this.
It's the huge bricks that make you feel it's so primordial.
All we're really concerned about in this presentation is that Jews have nothing whatsoever to do with creating this wall or with this temple mount and their temple is not behind it.
It's just isn't there.
So people come wanting to pray to this wall.
I think it's men-only prayers.
I think it's just males allowed to come on and left.
Yeah, okay, next.
Right, now here we see the records of the first seven layers are from the Herodian period that Herod built it.
And there are a load of underground courses.
So part of the extraordinary ancient history of Jerusalem, the level of ground we're at now, you see here, is not the original ground level.
It goes much deeper.
And if you go to Jerusalem, try and get permission to go on a tour under this.
You can go under this level and see the primordial huge stones.
I wish I could do that.
Yeah.
Okay, next.
Here they are, about 800 tonne stones cut, lifted and moved at right angles.
The only other place with stones likewise cut, lifted and moved were at Baalbek in Lebanon and possibly also in Egypt.
Some culture that had these absolutely vast stones.
So I would say this is pre-Roman culture did this.
So I would say that the very earliest mention in the Bible, which is about Abraham and Isaac going to this site, or alluding to this site, that there were megalithic remains.
But I would say partly the reason Jerusalem became a sacred site, even though it's no fertile land near it or anything, It would have been because it had some sort of imposing megalithic remains.
Let me just suggest that as why it was a sacred spot.
Okay next.
So this is another group of people looking at this these vast stones.
Okay, next.
Don't you imagine those little notches must be where they were inserting, say, wood or something?
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
There were some wooden appraises there where they got notches, yeah.
And they had to have a vast number of individuals to move these huge stones.
I mean, Nick, hard to imagine how it was done.
It certainly is, yeah.
What a mystery, yeah.
Okay, so this is part of the awesome thing of going to Jerusalem.
you see these somebody could make and design and carve and lift these vast stones and make them part of the architecture as part of the ancient history.
Yeah okay next.
Next.
So now we come on to this mystery of the This Temple Mount, which has the Islamic Dome of the Rock put onto it now, and the Al Asqa Mosque built there.
So you get all three monotheistic religions have got a claim to this Temple Mount area.
And Jews are trying to claim that it's somehow theirs.
They've got a right to take it over as if they somehow own it.
So I want to stress that we should agree with the Islamic perspective that Jews have got nothing whatsoever to do with this huge expanse.
It was, as I said, the Roman fortress, the Tenth Legion, and according to the Bible story, it's when Jesus would have been taken When he was being interrogated by Pontius Pilate, he would have stood somewhere in the middle now.
In the first century, there was a Christian monument there to honour that.
It was a little octagon, some sort of octagon shrine, where the story was Jesus was stood there to be interrogated.
Then later on, when Islam developed, it knocked down that octagonal shrine and built its own larger octagonal shrine.
in that selling spot.
They've got a story about Muhammad and some sort of heavenly tour he had when he touched down right here.
So all three modern theistic religions are putting in a claim to this area, the Dome of the Rock.
The question is, can it be shared out amongst the different modern theistic religions?
That's the question.
Next.
Right, so this is the flashpoint, possible start of World War Three, if Jews want to build this imaginary, build this temple on an imaginary basis of an ancient temple which never existed there at all.
There never was a temple there and they want to knock down the Islamic mosque in order to build what they think was there.
So there was a Jewish temple, it was in the city of Jerusalem, in the old city.
It's important to appreciate in the story Jesus walked and his disciples walked past this temple.
Admire how good it looks because Herod did it all up.
Herod really refurbished the Jewish temple In Jerusalem.
Made it look really smart.
But that was within the old city, as we'll see.
Come on, next.
Right.
Here is what is there at the moment.
This terrific, splendid Islamic mosque.
And Jews are trying to claim, make a quite false claim, that they somehow need that area or that it belongs to them.
Well, it doesn't at all.
They've got no right to it whatsoever and there never was any Jewish temple there and they should just leave it alone and let Muslims pray there.
So it's terribly important that we get the history sorted out and don't accept the fictional Jewish claims for a temple that never existed.
Right, next.
Here is the top of Mount Moriah.
Mount Moriah just peeps through here onto the Temple Mount.
This is within the Dome of the Rock Mosque or Temple.
This is an octagonal building.
The Christian tradition is that there used to be an eightfold A building here.
This is where Jesus would have stood whilst being interrogated by Pontius Pilate.
So that's the Christian view.
And here is the mosque which Muslims built.
And here is a Jewish claim on Wikipedia.
says this is the holy of holies as a spiritual junction of heaven and earth, the axis Monday.
So they're trying to clap.
There's almost a facial feature there, Nick, you know, so two slits for eyes, what could be a nose toward the bottom, hair at the top, almost like a face.
Could be, yeah.
Well, people imagine a lot.
There's been more bloodshed around this whole area than probably anywhere else on earth.
Endless, terrific, holy battles, you know.
The Old Testament describes where David built a temple Something to do with threshing floor, where a farmer was threshing his wheat and David tried to buy it off him.
Well, you wouldn't have the threshing floor at the top of a mountain.
It's just inconceivable.
So I think that's a clue to where the temple didn't exist.
Okay, so that's inside what is now the Islamic Mosque.
Right.
We've really covered this.
Herod the Great ruled from 37 to 4 BC and he had a load of private money and he thought he could please the Jews and so he did up their temple but as we'll see it certainly wasn't here on that particular site and we need to stop fantasizing about that.
It was at a place where there was a spring There has to be a spring of water by a Hebrew temple because the priests have to be able to perform their ablutions and so on.
Okay, next.
Now, with the Great War or Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the Romans got really, really annoyed with the Jews.
And they surrounded Jerusalem.
About a million Jews were wiped out.
Some people doubt this huge number, but they're quite reliable sources.
Tacitus and Josephus, ancient historians.
At Passover, Jews have instructions.
They all have to come into Jerusalem and get their lamb and cook it and slaughter it and eat it.
So the population greatly swells up.
Anyway, there was a siege of Jerusalem then.
What happened was that Jerusalem was levelled.
They destroyed everything.
They utterly destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem, as Jesus in the Bible predicts.
He says there will not be one stone left on another.
So that is how it came about that Jews forgot where it was.
Now this is a diagram which puts together different parts of historical time to try and explain things.
Here is the Temple Mount and you can see on it the mosque, where they put the mosque.
And then you can see back due south of it the Old City of David, that is the walled city And at the top is an image of where the temple would presumably have been.
Sorry, the northern part of the Old City.
And there's a gap between the Old City of Jerusalem and the huge Temple Mount.
And all down the east side is what's called the Kidron Valley.
Okay, that might help you to picture the relation between these two different locations.
Right, next.
Okay, well, we've come with this.
This is the great dream, what Jews are preparing for now.
Donald Trump is sort of kind of helping them a bit.
And there's a whole lot of rituals they have to go through.
And they're preparing all the exact cloths they think they need.
And presumably they're planning to start animal sacrifices again, as it says in the Old Testament.
So this is a nightmare vision, and it's terribly important to stop them getting on with this nightmare vision.
Help them to realise that, firstly, the original temple never existed, and secondly, the temple that did exist wasn't there.
It was in the old city of Jerusalem.
OK, next.
Right, now how is it possible that Jews lost the track of their special temple?
We found, as I said, Herod the Great starts to rebuild the temple 20 BC.
He finds a fairly shabby run-down structure and he makes it much bigger, gleaming with white marble and gold.
Tacitus records, he's a Roman historian, in Jerusalem there's still a temple of immense wealth Firstly came the city with its fortifications, then the royal palace, then within the innermost defences, the temple itself.
OK?
So that is within the defences, that's the wall of Old Jerusalem.
And it's somewhere next to the royal palace of Jerusalem.
So it definitely cannot be the Temple Mount.
Right.
And then in the Luke Gospel, Jesus says, look, not one stone will be left on another.
And so those are just some accounts that we have of this ancient temple which did really exist.
OK, next.
OK, now the key to the location of the temple that did really exist in the time of Jesus is this.
OK, Jim.
We've been looking at the amazing amnesia for 2,000 years of where the great temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was located and seen how the very thorough destruction which the Romans perpetrated in 70 AD basically wiped out the city of Jerusalem.
Because the Temple Mount was the only thing remaining, people kind of imagined that maybe that's where the temple was.
But a Hebrew temple first of all wasn't built on top of a mountain and secondly it had to have a spring of fresh water for the ablutions because all the animal sacrifices that were done there the rabbis had to be able to access to running water.
Okay now I'll just go through these sources 150 BC, that's the very early source we have, Aristias says of the temple in Jerusalem, there was an inexhaustible supply of water because an abundant natural spring gushes up from the temple area.
That's a letter he wrote about Jerusalem.
The book in the Old Testament, Joel, says a fountain shall flow from the house of the Lord.
That's an account of the temple.
The book of Ezekiel says, a sort of visionary book, then he brought me back to the door of the temple and there was water flowing from under the threshold of the temple facing east.
So that's some sort of memory of what the temple in Jerusalem was like.
And then the Roman historian Tacitus, about 100 AD, Jerusalem, that sort of temple of immense wealth, A city, the royal palace, the temple itself within the innermost defences, it contains an inexhaustible spring.
That's the Roman historian, that's him remembering what the temple had been like and he's writing after it had been destroyed.
Now here we come back to, this is an imaginary map of ancient Jerusalem and it's showing you the where the palace was and where the temple must have been.
And it must have been near to what is called now the Gihon Spring.
OK, next.
OK, here is a modern reconstruction of putting together these different parts.
There's the temple mount.
You can see where the mosque is now.
Okay, so this is a source which agrees with the story I'm telling here.
It says the false location of the temple there was actually a Roman fort.
It's pointing out the true location of the temple, which is the northern part of the ancient walled city of Jerusalem, what's called the City of David.
The temple has to have been there.
It has to be next to the palace and next to that spring of water.
You can see there's a few hundred yards in between them.
This is quite a lively, fun to read, Robert Cornuke book, which I recommend, where the temple really was.
He's a sort of intrepid investigator.
And Jim, would you like to read this out?
Sure.
Paintings, renderings and models of the temple today all show a glorious white-pillared temple perched on top of a 36-acre temple mount platform.
And then they awkwardly add a small, almost unnoticeable Roman fort at the northwest corner.
Why would the Romans, who were controlled perfectionists, allow a Jewish worship center to be constructed that is far mightier in statue and defense bulwarks than their own much smaller fortress?
Does anyone think that after building this huge, castle-like structure for the Jews, with thousands of massive stone blocks, some as large as a big truck, That they would then build a subordinate-sized fork and stick it in the corner, like it would a tiny garage next to a sprawling mansion?
The concept simply violates all logic.
Right.
That's a very sensible review.
And bear in mind, this location is where World War II might be triggered off.
Any day now, Trump and Various religious fanatics in Jerusalem might storm the Al-Asqar Mosque, decide they've got to take it over and start trying to build their temple there.
And it's based on a totally false history that never was, that never happened.
And we need people like Bob Cornuke who goes to Jerusalem and figured out where the temple really was.
Okay, so I urge anyone, especially if you want to visit Jerusalem, to get a real perspective on where the ancient temple was.
Right, next.
So this was the Holocaust, the one Holocaust Jews have really experienced in their history of an awesome and terrible destruction.
The Roman Jewish historian Josephus said, after the war, a visitor would wonder why a camp was built to guard such an empty and desolate area.
So there was the Temple Mount, the Roman camp, but no trace of the old city of Jerusalem.
The Romans had destroyed it so thoroughly.
A commander of Jewish resistance, 73 AD, Jerusalem is now demolished to its very foundations.
Nothing left but the monument of it preserved by the camp of those Romans that destroyed it.
That's Temple Mount, right?
Now, later on, third century, Eusebius writes, the Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed it in the temple there.
The city was reduced to a Roman farm with cattle cultivated.
So that's how come memory of the old temple was lost.
Druids forgot where the temple was.
It's only in modern times reconstruction that we're getting a picture of where it actually was.
Next.
Right, here we've really seen this very abnormal situation of wanting to pray to a wall.
Now let's bear in mind what exactly this wall is they're all praying to.
It's the wall of Fort Antonia where the 10th legion was stationed which wiped out 1 million Jews at the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
It wasn't just the 10th legion.
I think there's about three Roman legions all together did that siege.
But that is what they're praying to.
They're praying to the wall of a Roman 10th legion for Antonia Citadel.
And in a way one should laugh at them for doing this because it's It's a totally absurd thing to do, and it's based on bogus false history.
They've got an imagination that somewhere behind that lies their Temple of Solomon, which it really doesn't, OK?
And men only.
Men only, Nick.
Well, I think so, yeah.
Yeah.
Let's hope the women have got the sense not to want to pray to a wall, you know.
So there's some terrific status about going there and saying a prayer to the wall and stuffing a prayer in the crack.
It's a very, very degenerate practice and I urge listeners not to do it.
But I think if you can go there, I don't think I'll be allowed there, I think it would be a very awesome experience to see these wonderful megalithic monuments.
Okay, next.
So we've got thousands of prayers stuffed in the walls I mean, well, no comment.
OK, next.
So the Pope, as if he doesn't even believe in his own religion now, is praying to a wall.
And I guess it's these huge bricks, they're so enormous, people feel reverent reverence.
Well, one should feel reverence.
It's a very awesome, awesome wall, you know, but for God's sake, don't pray to it, you know.
Next.
Right, next.
I said in one place, Baalbek in Lebanon, you get comparable vast megalithic structures and likewise we don't really know who built them.
I suggest this is not Roman.
I suggest this is pre-Roman.
That's what I'm suggesting.
Okay, next.
Right, now lastly, When Jerusalem was founded, sorry, Israel founded in 1948, it was founded on the basis of a fake history, as the modern Hebrew professor Shlomo Sand has pointed out for us in his great work The Invention of the Jewish People, which I recommend you all get a copy of.
So it says, after being forcibly exiled from their land, the people, that's the Jewish people kept faith with it throughout their dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it.
Okay?
That they will be allowed to come back again.
Jews strove in every success to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland.
Now what Shlomo San has found out is that The Romans, although a lot of people were killed in Jerusalem, there was no dispersion or diaspora.
The Jews were not expelled from the Holy Land.
What this means is that people in Palestine now are the original descendants of Judea.
The people being exterminated today, that's the nearest thing you have on this earth of the original inhabitants of Judea.
And the people doing the extermination who've moved into Israel, what's nowadays called Israel, are not basically Semitic people.
So Clemenceau is saying that that claim of declaration of independence by Israel is based on a historical misconception that the Romans expelled Jewish people from Judea.
Israel from Judea.
Okay, next.
Right, so I think we need a lot more discussion of this thesis, whereby the exile didn't happen, whereby the exile didn't happen, right?
And the Palestinians are, in the real sense, of Judea, they are Semitic people.
And the Ashkenazi who come from East Europe, from the Khazars, If they have a right to come back to be in the Holy Land, I would say maybe let them have what originally was Israel.
It's quite a small little area, but they have no right whatsoever to take over the whole of Palestine, which is what they're trying to do now.
Right.
I think that's all.
Is that all?
Nick, I want to address that final point with you in greater detail, namely that the modern-day inhabitants of Israel are not descendants of the tribe of Judah.
They're actually Khazarians.
They're from North Atlantic Khazaria, now a part of modern-day Ukraine, where I have long since concluded that the war was fought because the plan was to make Ukraine the new Israel that the modern-day inhabitants would actually return to the land of their ancestry, but that having been defeated by Russia in that effort, they're now ethnically cleansing Palestine in order to take control of the entirety of the area,
even though their claim is very limited of short duration, while even though their claim is very limited of short duration, while the Palestinians go back thousands of Would you agree?
Well, yeah, that's quite feasible, Jim.
As you say, Kazaria did extend into eastern Ukraine.
This is ancient history.
The beginning of Russia and the end of Khazaria, the Khazarian Empire.
There's very little documented for what Khazaria was.
But yeah, it does seem.
Shlomo-san has echoed the argument earlier put forward by Arthur Kerslain, who spoke of the 13th tribe, that the latter-day Jews in Europe are primarily Khazars.
They don't have an Abraham gene in them.
That's one thing Sholem Assan is concerned to refute, the idea that there's any genetic linkage of people in Israel today with the Jews or Jews in the Holy Land.
He says that that has not really been shown, except maybe for some of the African Jews, the darker skinned ones, or maybe more Semitic.
With the case being made by South Africa before the International Court of Justice, which is the highest legal echelon of the United Nations, where I expect, given the
Voluminous, detailed evidence and assertions by the highest ranking Israeli officials, including the prime minister, the president, the head of the Israeli armed forces, that they want to rid Palestine of Palestinians.
I find it inconceivable the court will not find against Israel in favor of South Africa.
Well, let's hope you're right, Jim.
Hope you're right.
Yeah, right.
But Netanyahu has already declared it doesn't matter, he doesn't give a damn, that they're going to continue with their extermination program regardless.
Nick, your thoughts?
Well, the tribe has an amazing ability to put their own views, make people believe and accept their own views.
That's the strange power they have.
I think it's terribly important for us, therefore, to look at this real history, which I've tried to describe, whereby fictional narratives are put over onto people.
I've tried to argue that Christians should not believe everything said in the Old Testament about this glorious empire, which didn't matter in the past.
But now that Jews are claiming they've got the rights of the whole of Palestine, That illusory fictional image is one we have to deconstruct.
It's terribly important to deconstruct it now and say that they do not have any kind of right of return.
Firstly, because Israel did not exist in the first place.
Secondly, because even if it had, they are not the descendants of Israel Judea.
They are Khazars in Russia and East Ukraine who converted.
So, I think we need some sort of movement of historical truth which will take away from them their right to use these fictional narratives.
As you say, the case before the ICJ at the moment should be totally conclusive, it should be an open and shut case, but the Trongmeb has a very strange and remarkable ability to impose its It's an imaginary account of what happened on people.
But at the same time, let me say, Jews are very intellectual people.
And because of this, by their own intellectual reasonings, they must come to understand that these historical narratives are untrue, based on their massive amount of Of digging up the past, archaeology in the Holy Land, which has effectively refuted these ancient narratives.
Of course, the extreme Zionist view is they don't have to follow international law, the Hague Convention, the Geneva Convention, because those are merely the laws of man.
That they're following a higher law, God's law, that they are the chosen people and that they're entitled to the Promised Land.
And if you follow Admonitions in the Old Testament, for example, genocide was a policy that God himself frequently recommended to the Jews by their accountants.
Well, I'm afraid that is so, Jim, yeah.
I mean, it is terrible the way Christians seem to want to endorse the ethics of the Old Testament God, but let's not get into all that.
Zionism, was based on the dream of parts of Judea.
They had a right to come back and take parts of Judea.
Well, what parts of Judea?
If they'd just taken what was ancient Judea, there might have been a case for it.
But we've looked at the map.
They've grabbed far, far more than was ancient Judea.
And so I think we need a bit of historical realism here.
In saying, you know, take your hands off this land.
You've got no right to it.
Is it possible that Netanyahu, given all the likelihood of negative judgment coming from the International Court of Justice, might make a move against the Temple Mount as a form of distraction to incite the citizens of Israel on his behalf and in essence, perhaps, ignite a world war, a religious war between Muslims and Jews that's going to draw in the entire world?
Well, this is where what you and I fervently believe in, which is informed discussion, needs to take place instead of bloodshed and rage.
I mean, it's all so easy to envision a scenario where attacks take place and Muslims fight back in rage and it just triggers off a conflict and the Christians stay out of it because these days they're not so much bothered about their religion.
Well, they need to be part of it.
We need to have a three-way discussion, informed discussion, About who has a right to what.
And after World War II, Jerusalem was divided up into three on the grounds that the three monotheistic religions had a claim to it.
And I think we should try and keep that three-way division.
It's totally wrong of Trump to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel or whatever.
It has no right to be that.
And we need informed discussion Trying to explain to Jews that they never did have a temple there.
That may seem a little, that may seem a remote possibility, but I think that's what we have to believe in, yeah.
Well, I am, by and large, a supporter of Donald Trump, and I believe that he's the only political figure in America who can right this shipwrecked state.
If he returns to his second term as president, he has made any number of moves in relation to Israel, of which I disapprove profoundly.
Including sending the U.S.
Embassy to Jerusalem, declaring the Golan Heights to be part of Israel, even defunding the U.N.
organization dedicated to supporting Palestinian refugees.
Those were all despicable, not to mention, of course, the assassination of Qasem Soleimani at the airport in Baghdad, which was offensive.
And immoral and illegal and violative of Iraqi sovereignty and perfidy by the United States, which had lured him there on the pretext of participating in a peaceful issue.
I find that just profoundly objectionable, Nick.
And, you know, this man is, in my opinion, severely scarred by these acts of malfeasance of the past.
Oh, he certainly is.
Yeah, yeah.
Certainly is, yeah.
Well, let's not go into who should be the next US President.
I'm just saying that we should try to keep Jerusalem divided up amongst different religious traditions and not let Jews think they've got some sort of right to take it over.
They absolutely haven't.
Israel vanished at 722 BC and never existed since and it has no right to claim Jerusalem should be part of it.
I urge Christians to be more assertive on this matter and not to believe that Old Testament text in the same way.
And we need to try and find a way of having a peaceful Jerusalem.
I think the original root meaning of Jerusalem is Salem.
It means the city of peace.
So let's try to have discussions without fundamentalist Judaism thinking it can take over.
Which you can only do if Christians take back seats or think they can be bossed around.
I urge them not to do that.
Let's have conferences in Jerusalem about what really happened.
Well, Nick, this has been a masterful presentation.
I cannot thank you enough, I believe.
The fate of the world may hinge on who does become the next President of the United States.
Trump has been a non-interventionist.
He's wanted to have friendship with Russia.
He does not want or support wars.
I believe he would get us out of NATO and make other countries contribute to world peace and therefore I support him with great vigor and enthusiasm in spite of what I judge to be some serious mistakes of the past.
I can see Nick.
He's the only one who holds a promise of riding the ship of state.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Nick, you're wonderful.
I so admire all your work, all your efforts on so many different fronts.
I welcome your final comments here for our audience in the wake of today's presentation.
Well I think that's about it Jim.
The past history is crucially important for us and don't wait for some experts to come in and say what's what.
I urge truth groups to get together and discuss these matters and just be assertive.
We've got to make a claim that some sort of historical truth has to be a basis for Resolving these ancient conflicts.
Special thanks to Nick Kohlstrom.
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Okay, Jim.
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