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Jan. 24, 2024 - Jim Fetzer
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The Raw Deal (24 January 2024)
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Let me back up momentarily.
Welcome to the Raw Deal on this 24th day of January, 2024.
We have an unusual situation in New Hampshire.
2024, we have an unusual situation in New Hampshire.
Trump was expected to win a blowout to become the presumptive nominee.
The last polls had it.
Final New Hampshire GOP primary poll, Trump 62%, Haley 35%.
Every release survey has Trump at or over 50%, with majority support Haley under 40 or down in the mid to low 30s.
You can use that as a measure of interference with the election.
Funny business.
Deviation from that 27-point lead.
So what do we have?
President Trump wins New Hampshire, sets a new record.
Trump has officially won New Hampshire, despite every effort to stack the deck against him.
Some say, cheat!
I just love to see the words, Trump wins, don't you?
Reports this from the Daily Noah.com.
Here's another, it's a beautiful thing, a photograph of Trump with his fist raised, looking good, sir!
Yeah, we called it.
This is only with 20% reporting Donald Trump, 52.5% Nikki Haley, 46.5%.
Notice, that's only like a 6% difference, not a 27%.
So what the hell happened to the other 21%?
You have to go back to 1980 for the last time a Republican candidate won both Iowa and New Hampshire.
The last time a Republican candidate won both the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary was in 1980, when Ronald Reagan achieved the feat.
Reagan's victories in the early contests helped establish him as a leading candidate for the Republican nomination, which he went on to secure.
Reagan's success in the primaries set the stage for his election as president in the November 1980 general, where he defeated incumbent Jimmy Carter.
Winning both Iowa and New Hampshire is particularly notable in a primary, as it demonstrates broad appeal across different segments of a party's electorate.
Not only that, but he officially becomes the only person ever to win the New Hampshire primary three times, history made.
Dailynoah.com record breaker.
Donald Trump is now the only person ever to win the New Hampshire primary three times.
This all despite record number of Democrats showing up to vote for Nikki Haley.
Ha ha!
In some districts, the numbers were inflated by as much as 50% of registered Republicans.
This is due to an oddity in New Hampshire law allowing Democrats to vote in Republican primaries.
Breaking!
New Hampshire exit polling shows the majority of voters in the Republican primary tonight are not Republicans.
Well, how bad was it?
CNN exit poll.
70% of Nikki Haley voters were not registered as Republicans.
70%!
Nikki Haley relied heavily on the support of Independents and Democrats in the New Hampshire primary, yet still lost by wide margins.
Of haley voters in the Granite State, CNN said, about 7 in 10 said they were registered as undeclared prior to Tuesday.
CNN relied on an exit poll to make its shocking statement.
New Hampshire's loose requirements allow for voters to cross over, while future Republican caucuses and primaries will consist overwhelmingly of registered Republicans.
Trump crushed Haley in the New Hampshire primary by double digit, with results still outstanding.
The Associated Press called the New Hampshire results within three minutes in Iowa, where Trump won by an historic 30%.
It took the Associated Press 31 minutes to call the race.
Trump's path to the nomination seems all but inevitable after his crushing victory.
Senators John Cornyn of Texas, Debbie Fisher of Nebraska endorsed Trump within minutes.
Of his victory.
Now take a look at this.
Yes, here we have with 95% polling, we got Trump, 168,713 votes or 54.4%.
Haley, 134,213.
Now that's an 11-point victory.
That's certainly enough to call crushing.
But what if it had been legit?
What if we took out that 70%?
Okay, so you got Haley with 134,314.
Okay, so you got Haley with 134,314.
70% of that is 93,946.
So if you take the 134,246, That's the legitimate Republican vote for Haley.
subtract the 93,946 fake votes, meaning by Democrats, you get 40,268.
That's the legitimate Republican vote for Haley.
If you combine that with 168, 713 votes for Trump, then there were a total of 208,981 votes cast altogether.
Trump's percentage of 271 votes Haley's percentage when you consider she actually got 40,268 out of 208,981—19.3!
when he got 168,713, 80.7.
Haley's percentage, when you consider she actually got 40,268, out of 208,981, 19.3.
Talk about crushing.
That's a 60-point victory for Trump.
Massive!
Well, why did they do this?
So I can publish articles like this.
I absolutely hate Trump.
Big swath of independents are rejecting him, according to this national memo.
It's a propaganda site.
In 2020, a long list of well-known conservatives endorsed Democrat Biden were present, including former Senator Jeff Flake from Arizona, GOP activist Cindy McCain, attorney George Conway, and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina.
Four years later, with Trump seemingly on track to win the 2024 GOP presidential nomination, Biden's re-election campaign is hoping that anti-Trump conservatives will again be part of his coalition.
Political reporters Sam Stein and Natalie Allison, in an article published January 23rd, took a look at Republicans and Independents who are refusing to vote for Trump, even if he becomes a nominee.
Donald Trump has a problem.
No matter what happens in New Hampshire Tuesday night, there's a whole swath of the Republican electorate, a good chunk of independents, who are firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes a nominee.
It's an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucus when NBC Des Moines poll of voters found only 43% of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump.
It's a dynamic that's been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.
Well, that's because 43% of the new Nikki Haley supporters are Democrats.
Of course they're going to support Biden.
Scott Simone, an independent New Hampshire voter, supported Trump in 2016 and 2020, told Politico, I can't vote for Trump.
He's too corrupt.
I voted for him and I didn't realize he's as corrupt as he is.
Apparently Biden into the phony legal case is brought against him.
Another New Hampshire voter, Lisa Tracy, said she would go with Biden if Trump is a supporter.
Tracy said to Trump, I like him, but he just scares me now.
Nobody has ever worked for him.
Anyone who has ever worked for him is not anymore.
Nonsense.
Some of the New Hampshire residents interviewed would be open to voting for Haley over Biden and the general, but are adamantly anti-Trump.
That's what you do when you do propaganda.
You do special bleeding.
You select the group you want to over-represent.
Anti-Trump voters, most of whom are Democrats.
Here NPR gives a relatively objective five takeaways from the New Hampshire primary.
Number one.
The talk is clicking on Nikki Haley's campaign.
Haley said Tuesday she's forging ahead.
New Hampshire is first in the nation, it's not last in the nation.
This race is far from over.
There are dozens of states left to go, and the next is my sweet state of South Carolina.
And of course she thinks she's got the edge because she served as a governor.
She argued she has increased her support.
There are lots of other states still to vote, which is all true, but the road ahead does not look well-paved for her.
The next contest is Nevada, February 8th.
Well, she isn't even on the party caucus ballot.
Trump is going to gobble up the delegates and attention there.
Haley is on a state-run primary ballot two days earlier that does not award delegates, and Trump isn't on that one.
Second, is Haley really going to want to endure a month of Trump attacks?
In addition to the long odds because the party demographics Haley faces, there's also the issue of time.
South Carolina isn't for another month.
Is Haley going to be able to hold on to the resources it requires for her to stay on the air for a significant length of time?
Can she maintain her loose coalition, even as the party moves increasingly toward rallying around Trump?
Even Texas Senator John Cornyn, who's been lukewarm on Trump since the former president left the White House, came out and endorsed Trump Tuesday night.
What's more, Trump and his allies are vowing to go after Haley even harder than they already have, and Trump has already promoted a birther conspiracy theory against her, falsely accusing her of being ineligible to be president.
Trump called Haley an imposter Tuesday night, adding, I don't get too angry.
I get even.
Third, Haley's electability argument isn't resonating with Republicans.
Haley has made central to her campaign the idea she is the candidate who has the best chance of beating President Biden.
And there's certainly evidence she would be a stronger general election candidate than Trump.
A recent CBS News poll, for example, found Haley at 53% beating Biden by 8%.
Trump was in the margin of error with Biden, but up by 2%.
Republican voters, however, aren't buying it.
In both Iowa and New Hampshire, voters have said beating Biden is their top priority, sided more with Trump.
They certainly have reason to believe Trump can beat Biden.
Multiple swing state polls to this point have shown Trump beating Biden.
Does that mean it'll hold up?
There's a lot of time and money to be spent over the next ten months framing a political argument against both men for The general election unofficially begins now, certainly, at the gates for Trump and Biden's campaign.
Trump has been running against Biden since he got into the race in November 2022.
Through this primary, which he's maintained massive leads, he's called for the party to unify around him, and most are falling in line.
Short of something extraordinary taking place in the next month to change it, the country is in for a Biden-Trump rematch, and the party apparatus are preparing for that.
No, I say, they're not going to run Biden.
He's pathetic.
No one likes him.
He's incompetent.
He would lose massively.
Between Super Tuesday and the Democrat convention in Chicago, they're going to swap him out for, my best guess, Kevin Newsom plus Michelle Obama.
And we'll find out if the country is enthusiastic about voting for a man with breast implants and a huge shaving bill.
Tonight's results confirm Donald Trump has all but locked up the GOP nomination, and the election-denying anti-freedom mega-movement has completed its takeover of the Republican Party.
Biden campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez said in a statement Biden himself won as a write-in candidate in the Democrat Party, which didn't count Tuesday night.
Overrepresenting Phillips of Minnesota, found like another Democrat.
There just weren't enough geniacs in New Hampshire.
Yeah.
For a country that doesn't want a Biden-Trump rematch, it sure seems like it's getting to that pretty easily.
Trump and Biden are both unpopular, and were each the oldest president observed when they were in office.
Biden's age, 81, is a bigger liability than Trump, 77, according to polls.
But majorities of Americans say both are too old to be president.
Majorities have also told pollsters they'd rather not see a rematch.
And yet here we are on the precipice of exactly that, because our party's voters in these early states are saying that's what they do want.
It will be acrimonious and contentious.
And what was the most likely outcome all along?
Basically right.
I have a dear friend, by the way, Scott Bennett, who believes that Trump is likely to pick.
Tucker Carlson is running me.
I have not so many questions for you.
Simple two questions about New Hampshire primary.
What can you say about the importance of the New Hampshire Primary that we have today?
Why is it an important event for the presidential?
Well, essentially, the New Hampshire primary, which is upon us, will determine the Republican candidate for the presidential election.
Donald Trump most likely is going to run away with the nomination, similar to how he did at the Iowa caucus, which will probably be between 50 and 55 percent of the electorate will choose him over the other candidates.
And specifically, Nikki Haley is essentially the only one left.
Running against him, and she represents a corporate, old Republican, endless war, military industrial complex, fear-mongering side of the Republican Party that not only are Republicans tired of, but the majority of the people in the United States are tired of that mindset.
We've had it for 20 years, which has sent this country down the road of ruin.
As well as ruined other countries.
So I don't think Nikki Haley really has any hope in the Republican side of politics.
This will determine and show that President Trump has the majority of the backing of the people.
Not because he is anything essentially special or brilliant.
But because Joe Biden is especially stupid, evil and incompetent in the eyes of the American voters.
So they're choosing the lesser of the two evils, you could say.
But I don't think Donald Trump is as too much of the evil side.
He's essentially a small government, family values, independent, libertarian minded, moderate Republican.
So I think That is going to be far more attractive to Americans than continuing down the road of economic ruin, endless wars, open borders, pandemic fear-mongering, forced vaccinations, woke ideological transgender homosexual propaganda, and a militarized FBI police state that is grotesquely corrupt
And has demonstrated so in the past four years from covering up the Hunter Biden laptop story to inventing this Russia hoax to all sorts of other disturbing actions by a government agency.
So Joe Biden represents all of that as the Democrats do, while the Republicans represent Uh, side of America that had the election stolen from them in 2020.
And Donald Trump, uh, did win that election, but the corruption in the United States, uh, Congress amongst the rhinos, the Republicans that want war, that want war against Iran, that want war against Russia, these rhinos Republican name only.
And these, uh, Democrat leftists have merged into a single corporate party.
So I think you're really witnessing America tear into two camps, but essentially it's two-thirds of Americans would prefer a presidency without Biden, while only maybe one-third, even less than that, want Biden, not because of himself, but because they're so stubborn in their party politics.
I think he's got that basically right.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court side with Biden of a border crisis.
This is very, very disturbing.
Supreme Court Monday side with Biden in a case reviewing the ongoing use of razor wire along the Texas border.
In the new ruling, federal authorities are now allowed to cut all razor wire in Texas The courts had a 5-4 decision with John Roberts and Amy Comey Barrett siding with the majority.
Something is wrong here.
The best I can tell is they were extorted.
John Roberts and Amy Barrett both have children that are adopted.
Whether adoptions could be put in jeopardy, and I believe that has been used to extort them to make this decision.
In court papers, a Biden admin argued the wire impedes Border Patrol agents from reaching migrants as they cross the river and that, in any case, federal immigration law trumped Texas' own effort to stem the flow of migrants into the country.
This is very, very bad.
Texas National Guard responds to the Supreme Court order by installing more razor wire.
Good!
The U.S.
Supreme Court signed with the Biden regime.
The National Guard responded to the Supreme Court's order allowing the Biden regime to cut or remove razor wire by installing more.
The lawsuit made its way to the Fifth Court of Appeals, which said they could not cut the razor wire.
This is very disturbing.
It's the ninth time the Supreme Court has sided with the Biden regime out of 14 emergency applications.
Very, very bad.
Here's Attorney General Paxton attacks as the Supreme Court temporary order allows Biden to continue his illegal effort to aid the foreign invasion of America.
Yes!
The destruction of Texas border barriers will not help enforce the law or keep American citizens safe.
The fight is not over, and I look forward to defending Texas.
Meanwhile, we have, you know, video of what they're doing and putting it up.
But what I find is most fascinating, Wayne Root Say out loud what others only whisper.
Is there any patriot in America who isn't thinking Supreme Court justices are being bribed or blackmailed?
Come on, admit it.
I know you're thinking the same thing.
It's so obvious.
It's just common sense.
Anyone who is at least wondering is a naive fool.
I grew up in an all-Italian mafia neighborhood in New York.
I know when the fix is in.
I know when someone has taken a bribe.
I know when the mafia has their hooks in someone.
Something is wrong with our Supreme Court.
Something smells to high heaven.
Something is hinky.
Someone had been bribed, threatened, intimidated, or extorted.
This just isn't normal.
It makes no sense.
Conservatives have the edge.
Not just five to four, but to save overwhelming six to three heads, we should be winning every major Supreme Court case.
And yet we keep losing.
Very, very troubling.
Chief Justice Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett, one of the recent Trump appointments, recommended to Trump by the fantastic pro-Constitution Federalist Society.
So how is it possible?
There is not one conservative or patriot in all of America who would have voted this way.
In my opinion.
We just found out who the bribed or blackmailed rat-fink traitors are.
No normal, honest, pro-rule-of-law, pro-American judge on Earth would vote this way.
It's not even possible.
It's unimaginable.
It's absurd.
It's insanity.
I think it's right.
Meanwhile, the Babylon Bee.
Supreme Court rules Texas must replace barbed wire with giant red carpet.
Nogales!
In yet another 5-4 decision, the United States Supreme Court has ruled Texas must remove all barbed wire along the border and replace it with a massive plush red carpet.
How will migrants be able to get in the country if there's barbed wire in the way?
Said a visibly confused Justice Sotomayor.
They might get hurt.
An elegant red carpet makes much more sense.
It's soft and red.
It can helpfully point the way to gaps along our border, make our new migrants feel welcome.
It says a Constitution in the Constitution somewhere, like in Section 3, Article B or whatever.
The Border Patrol responded to the ruling immediately, and it's now hard at work cutting gaps in the barbed wire fence and rolling out a red carpet across the border.
Hoo boy!
This is just like in the Hollywood Picture Show, said one officer while rolling out a carpet for a small band of Al-Qaeda operatives and Somali pirates.
Welcome to America, friend.
You're all stars to us.
The ruling also specifies migrants be supplied with limousine bodyguards and expensive gift bags filled with face creams and jewelry.
It's the least we could do, said Justice Kenanji Brown Jackson.
It says that in the fourth paragraph of the 38th Amendment, I'm pretty sure.
At publishing time, Texas Governor Greg Abbott has attempted to detour migrants by lining the red carpet with rear traps.
How bad is that?
I just want to keep your planet.
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While I wait for my guests to join me, we're going to be discussing what's taking place in Alabama, namely a new execution using nitrogen gas.
Let me add a few additional stories.
Biden has started another U.S.
war, Capeland Johnstone reports.
The Washington Post has an article out entitled, as Houthis vow to fight on.
The U.S.
prepares for a sustained campaign—sustained campaign being Empire-speak—for a new American war.
The Biden admin is crafting plans for a sustained military campaign targeting the Houthis in Yemen after 10 days of strikes failed to halt the group's attacks on maritime commerce, stoking concern among some officials that an open-ended operation could derail the role of ravaged countries, fragile peace, and bold Washington into another unpredictable Middle Eastern conflict, of most reports.
Acknowledging that sustained military campaign means war, in the ninth paragraph of the article, saying the anonymous U.S.
official cited in the report, don't expect the operational stretch gone for years like previous U.S.
wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria, which is about as reassuring as a pyromaniac saying he doesn't expect he'll be burning down any more houses like all the other houses he's already burned down.
Here you have the Washington Post.
The Biden admin is crafting plans for a sustained military campaign targeting the Houthis in Yemen, stoking concern about derailing the war-ravaged country's fragile peace and pulling Washington into another unpredictable Middle Eastern conflict.
As the Houthis vow to fight on, the U.S.
prepares for indefinite campaign.
This bizarre refusal to call a war a war also appeared in a recent press conference with Pentagon spokesman Sabrina Singh, who acted shocked and aghast that reporters were even asked if repeatedly bombing a country would qualify as being at war.
Is it now fair to say that the U.S.
is at war in Yemen, Singh was asked by a Reuters reporter Thursday?
No.
We don't seek war, she replied.
We don't think we are at war.
We don't want to see a regional war.
Oh, these are the ones who continue to launch cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles at innocent mariners, at commercial vessels that are just transiting an area that sees, you know, 10 to 15 percent of the world's commerce.
Now let me as an aside observe, this is a complete misrepresentation of the case.
These aren't innocent mariners.
This is cargo bound for Israel.
The Houthis, Yemen has declared war on Israel.
This is perfectly in accordance with international law.
They were allowing other ships with other destinations to transit.
So here you have the United States fabricating a phony excuse We're attacking Yemen as a stooge for Israel.
Have no doubt about it.
What it means is that the Biden administration is simply a stooge for Israel.
In a follow-up, several questions later, Singh was asked by a reporter from Politico, You said we're not at war with the Houthis, but if, you know, this tit-for-tat bombing.
We bombed them five times now.
So if this isn't war, can you just explain this a little bit more to us?
If this isn't war, what is war?
Sure, Laura, sure.
Great question.
I just wasn't expecting it phrased exactly that way.
She replied with a laugh and a smirk.
We are.
We do not seek war.
We are.
We do not.
We are not at war with the Houthis.
In terms of a definition, I think it would be more of a clear declaration from the United States.
But what we are doing and the action we are taking are defensive in nature.
It's worth noting that Thursday, since the Thursday press conference, the number of U.S.
strikes on Yemen has increased from five to seven.
U.S.
prepared for open-ended war against the Houthis in Yemen.
Biden has bombed Yemen seven times in just over a week, and the Houthis are not backing down, as they welcome a confrontation with the United States.
Very serious stuff.
I'm delighted to say that I now am being joined by an expert on executions in the United States, Fred Lochter, who actually participated in the trial of Zondel in Canada by traveling for Holocaust denial.
This is in the mid-1980s.
By traveling to Germany and inspecting the facilities there, where I came back to report that there was nothing at any of the German camps that could have remotely served as a gas chamber, and therefore the whole theory we've been sold of six million Jews being put to death in gas chambers using Zyklon B was nonsense.
You would have thought that would have settled the matter when the world's leading expert on gas chambers reports there was nothing in Germany or the other camps that could have served as a gas chamber.
But that's not how it's played out.
Mona Montgomery, I'm very pleased to see you.
Do we have Fred with us?
Fred, are you there?
I know, but that's because I was getting into Jim's... I'm in Jim's room right now.
Where are you?
I'm trying to get it to stop working.
Okay, what's the problem?
I don't know.
Okay, okay.
Where are you?
What do you see on your screen right now?
Hello?
Yes, I'm here.
Okay, that's okay.
We can do it by audio.
We can.
We can, Fred.
Yeah, we can.
Yeah, he can hear you.
Can you increase the volume, Mona, on Fred so we can hear him easier?
Fred?
Okay.
Can you hear?
Say something, Fred.
Hello?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Very good, Fred.
Very good, Fred.
Tell us, tell us, tell us the situation here.
I want you to know that I called the office of the governor of Alabama this morning, not once but twice, to explain that you are coming on my show, that you are an expert on execution, and that you wanted the governor to know that unless they take into account air pressure,
That death using nitrogen is not going to be painless and simply put the party to sleep, but it's going to be extremely excruciatingly painful because at normal air temperature, the effects are very, very different than at a high altitude.
Could you elaborate, please?
Yes.
Well, you know, the people that are the proponents of the use of nitrogen, They don't seem to really understand what's going on.
The fact is that the only thing that the person dies from is oxygen deprivation.
Nitrogen isn't a poisonous gas, so it really doesn't do anything.
But what's happening here is that they understand that during World War II, some of our pilots died of a lack of oxygen when their oxygen tank either ran out or weren't functioning or what have you.
And they died, and they went very peacefully.
They went to sleep because they weren't getting the oxygen.
They were just getting nitrogen, so there was nothing for them to breathe.
But at 30,000 feet where this occurs, the atmospheric pressure is only about breathe.
PSI, three pounds per square inch.
Now, down on the Earth, at sea level, it's 16 PSI, pounds per square inch.
So, the problem we have is that at the high altitude, you don't have an issue, but at the lower altitude, they're going to wind up, if they restrict the oxygen flow to the person, they're going to most likely give them the bends, which is the same thing that divers get when they come up too fast.
So, it's probably going to be a horrendous experience for the gentleman, and what normally happens, and they've tested this on animals, and they no longer use it for euthanizing animals because it causes convulsion.
So, at this point, they're scheduled to do the execution sometime between 2 in the morning and 6 in the morning.
That's tomorrow.
I call the governor's office and nobody has responded as yet.
So I don't know what's going to happen except that it probably isn't going to work very well.
They've got a lousy track record because a couple of months ago they tried to execute this guy with lethal injection.
couldn't find a vein.
They had him on the table for five hours sticking needles into him.
They actually did an IV cut down, and they still were unable to accomplish the lethal injection.
They couldn't find a vein to put the catheter in.
So they've got a lousy track record.
This is very, very disturbing.
I called the governor's office not once but twice to explain that you were making these points, that you contacted me, that I was going to feature you today, and that I wanted the governor to understand that there was and that I wanted the governor to understand that there was an issue about the altitude, that really they need a barometric chamber to reduce the air pressure, in which
At proper air pressure, it would induce sleep and death, but in a painless fashion, whereas what they're doing at ordinary air temperature is going to be an excruciatingly painful death.
Do I have that correct?
Yes.
Well, as I say, They haven't, from what I understand, they haven't announced the protocol at all, and they don't want anybody to know how they're doing this.
They've given out a protocol, a copy of the protocol, but they've redacted half of the stuff in the protocol.
And it appears that none of these people that they're working with have any idea of what they're doing.
Fred, if possible, can you speak a little louder and a little more clearly?
I've got it here, Mona, so go ahead.
So, at any rate, so they haven't announced what they're doing, so... Yeah, you're talking about the protocol, the redacted protocol.
Yeah, they redacted most of the protocol, and I know they're not using a hyperbaric chamber, which is what they should be using.
So they're going to have difficulty in terms of the blood's capability in absorbing the The nitrogen and or the oxygen, they're going to wind up getting bubbles in the blood instead of dissolved oxygen and nitrogen the way it's supposed to be.
So what's, you know, in the final analysis, what's happening is they're not going to have a very good execution.
They're probably going to smudge the poor gentleman to death.
Yes, yes, yes.
Well, I called the governor's office.
I spoke with Amy twice.
I gave her an outline of the points you were making, cited you as an expert, and the second time I asked if she said that the governor was going to be unavailable all day.
I find this very, very odd.
It sounds to me to be an invasion.
That's politically inappropriate.
So I asked if I could speak to someone, you know, who is his press spokesperson, and she transferred me to the office of someone named Scott.
But I didn't have direct access to Scott.
I simply left a report about how you,
Fred Lochter, leading expert on executions in the United States, had reported that the way they're doing it, by not taking into account air pressure, was going to lead to a painful and excruciating death in violation of the constitutional proscription against cruel and unusual punishments, and offered to put you in contact with a governor
But I have not had any report back.
And from what I can tell by taking a look at some articles out there, this one for example, we have here Alabama plans a first nitrogen gas execution this week, and largely secret process experts say raises concerns about cruelty.
I have to believe, since this was on CNN, Fred, that they're aware that there's an issue here, and I felt I was doing my duty as a citizen to put them in contact with you as the expert.
But I've had no response, and it may be they're going to proceed nonetheless.
I am very disturbed if that happens, but I'm not going to be surprised.
Right.
Well, you know, as I say, they should be responding, but they're not.
I called them.
I spoke with Governor Zaid.
I gave them the information.
Uh, and I told them they could do it properly if they had a, if they had a hyperbaric chamber, but nobody has gotten back to me yet.
And all I can say is that it sounds like these people are just irresponsible.
That wouldn't surprise me at all, Fred.
The scientific illiteracy of the United States population is dumbfounding.
Even on simple matters, Americans have difficulty putting two plus two together to figure out what's really going on.
This is a very straight point.
Go ahead.
I think I finally got in.
Okay.
Yeah, but you need to turn on your camera, Fred.
Well, turn on your camera, Fred.
Yeah, I'm going to hit it again.
I already did.
Okay.
Oh, I see your name.
I see your name.
You're here.
It's just in the lower left, Fred, in the lower left.
If you move your cursor down there, there's a little camera that's going to have a cross on it.
Just click that.
Just click that.
Otherwise, that's not a problem, Fred.
Just keep talking.
Just keep talking.
Have your name on the screen so people know who you are.
Just repeat the argument in your efforts to notify the governor, because if this goes forward, as I presume it's going to go forward, without taking into account then the state of Alabama and the governor in particular, especially given these warnings, is going to be charged with Violating the Constitution by employing a cruel and unusual mode of execution.
Please elaborate, Fred.
Certainly.
I mean, there's absolutely no question, but the point is they don't seem to respond.
Nobody wants to take responsibility for the protocol they've generated.
They won't tell anybody what the protocol is.
So, they're obviously not capable of conducting an execution because they weren't able to do the lethal injection the last time they tried.
So, I mean, what they've done is just plain terrible.
Now, Fred, let me ask you this.
If they were to reduce the blood pressure equivalent to, say, 30 or 35,000 feet altitude, Nitrogen would be a humane mode of death, am I correct?
Because it would simply put him to sleep, from which he would never awake.
Right.
I'm sorry, I didn't copy that.
Can you say that again?
Yes, yes, yes.
I'm saying if they were to adjust for altitude and set the air pressure, the barometric pressure, approximately what it would be at 30 to 35,000 feet, then they could proceed with a nitrogen injection and it would induce a peaceful, painless death.
Am I correct?
Right.
Well, I seem to be more concerned They seem to be more concerned about whether or not the nitrogen's going to get out and kill the gods.
Of course, it's not a poison gas, so it shouldn't be an issue.
But they hired one firm to make sure that that wasn't going to happen.
As I say, the bottom line is they don't seem to know what they're doing at all.
They don't seem to have any connection.
They don't seem to appreciate what's happening.
They should have somebody competent there, but it's not working.
So nobody...
They've got their mind made up as to what they're doing, but it's not...
I don't think it's going to work out because they haven't approached this from the right direction.
Yeah. - Yeah.
The scientific illiteracy that prevails, pervasive, all pervasive in the United States, has many manifestations.
This is only one of the most striking recent illustrations.
Stunning stuff, Fred.
I admire your effort to reach the governor to explain what's going on here and how it could be done properly.
What kind of response, if any, did you get from the governor's office?
They haven't called me back yet.
I spoke, let me look at my notes here, I spoke to somebody in what they call the Department of Insurance Services, and I spoke with a gentleman named Hunter Scott, and he said he would see that the governor got the message that I called, but nobody has gotten back to me, and it's been
It's been two days since I called, or it will be two days in another two hours.
So, as I say, I don't know what the answer is, but they seem to be wanting to do this the way they'll do everything.
It's going to be the same way they did the lethal injection.
It's going to fail.
And if they actually do it, At sea level pressure, then if they actually do this at sea level pressure, they're probably going to get air embolisms and the guy's going to have a heart attack, or he's going to have a problem with his brain, he's going to have a stroke.
So, yes.
Very, very troubling.
Now, one of the we got you one of the one of the problems that we want to get out to the public is that the solution is very, very simple.
There are these hyperbolic chambers all over the place.
Every what you say all these.
Coast Guard stations have them.
They could just ship one to the prison and he would have not just a pleasant death but actually a kind of nice death because it makes you loaded and happy and euphoric.
But it's just so simple there's no reason not to do it.
Ramona Montgomery, I so appreciate that addition and elaboration, and Fred, I'm delighted we can now see your visage, my friend, because you're making a very humane effort here to induce a death that is responsible and with dignity, whereas, in fact, it appears it's going to be a cruel and unusual death if Alabama is non-responsive to your entreaties, and I
I regret to say, in all probability, that's how it's going to play out.
Your thoughts?
Yes.
Well, again, I don't know the situation with Alabama.
They had trouble once before, and I worked the problem out with them, but they didn't really appreciate it, at least publicly.
They tried to do an electrocution, and they didn't have the electric chair connected properly.
And we had to work with them on that to see if we could get it fixed.
But, as I say in the final analysis, we did get it going, but they didn't really want to acknowledge that.
So, they do things They do things the way they want to do them.
And, as I say, I don't think they really care.
I think their attitude is that we know more about it than anybody else does.
So, I mean, if that was the case, either the company should have called me back by now, or somebody from the Department of Correction certainly should have.
Go ahead, Mona.
They think that the fact that all these pigs that they were getting ready to butcher, they were killing them this way, and they all went into convulsions, and all the dogs in the pound, they had to outlaw that.
And the people are saying, well, animals are different from humans, so it's going to be different for humans.
And humans are going to be fine, because humans did fine 30,000 feet up into the air.
Nobody understands the difference in the pounds per square inch thing.
No, they just don't understand that there's a difference.
And humans, human beings, are animals.
We're simply the most sophisticated primates on the face of Earth.
So, you know, this is a scientific illiteracy of many Americans sad to say.
Fred, you've done your job, you've done your duty, By notifying the governor's office, I followed up.
I not only spoke twice with Amy in the governor's office and explained the situation and your availability, but she transferred me to someone I believe was in the press department, Scott.
And I explained again to Scott, possibly with all these entreaties, we're going to get a suitable response from the governor.
Meanwhile, we have a break.
I'll return with Fred Lochter and Mona Montgomery.
Stick around, we'll be right back.
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So what do you want to talk about?
My guest on the line now is Fred Luchter, who has, in the past, made an historic contribution to the trial of Ertz Sundell for a Holocaust denial in Canada.
In 1985 and 1988, there were two aspects to the trial, and during the first, most notable was the prosecution could not produce a single witness who could testify under oath to having seen any inmate
In any German concentration camp put to death in a gas chamber using Zyklon B. And in 1988, they had the expert report from Fred, who was a leading expert on gas chambers in the world, who had visited various other camps and came back with a report.
Rather sensational at the time.
There were no facilities at any of the camps that could have remotely functioned as gas chambers.
And Fred, being an expert in executions, is seeking to intervene in what's taking place in Alabama tomorrow, putting an inmate to death using a nitrogen technique that if it were applied at a proper altitude, say of 30,000 feet or the equivalent in terms of barometric or air pressure, Would induce sleep and be a relatively painless death if they do not take into account the air pressure difference.
It's gonna do this at normal levels of atmospheric pressure, which are around three times more greater, you know, there is three times more dense and much, much greater.
It's going to induce air bubbles and embolism.
They're going to lead to a very painful death threat.
Do I have that basically correct?
Mona, why don't you pick up?
We may have lost Fred.
Are you muted?
Right, if he'll get it.
I mean, this is a new technique, and this is the same thing that happened with Kemla when Kemla was electrocuted.
The only difference was that there were doctors participating in Kemla, and there was nobody participating here with the state in this case.
But in Kemla, they allowed the execution to go forward, and they said, come back and tell us if it worked.
And nobody ever came back.
They never dealt with the situation the way they should have.
And as a result, uh, uh, electrocution went forward and, uh, it, it, you know, it wasn't, uh, it went forward without any support or any understanding from the court because the, uh, the people never went back.
The lawyers never went back and, and, uh, and they should have.
And I think the court's going to do the same thing here.
I think they're going to let the execution go, and they're going to see what happens, and they're going to wait for the lawyers to come back and say, hey, this is what happened, and we think we can fix it.
But I don't think that's going to happen in this case, because they don't have any competent people there that are going to help them fix it.
At least in Kemmler, they had a bunch of doctors standing by.
Yes.
Fred, I wondered if you wanted to try to call the governor's office while we're in contact here and make an additional bet.
Do you have the governor's number?
I had it available here.
What?
Would you want to call the governor's office?
Well, yeah, I have the number that I called and I got the governor's, one of his people that that interface for him.
I mean, the number I have is 334-242-7100.
And I think the person I spoke with was the same person that Jim spoke with, Hunter Scott, who's in the Department of Constituent Services.
Well, the two parties I spoke with were...
Let's see if we can get through to the governor.
I can't believe they've got a hyperbaric chamber, and I'm sure their answer is going to be no.
Thank you.
The two parties I spoke with, Fred, were Amy in the governor's office, and then she transferred me to Scott, and I believe he's with the governor's communications staff.
I don't know if he's the governor's press secretary.
Did you speak with one or the other of them?
Did you speak to either Amy or Scott, Fred?
I spoke to Hunter Scott.
Oh, somebody last name Scott.
He's in the Department of Constituent Services.
He's an interface between the Governor and, you know, the population, I guess.
This is going to be very embarrassing for the state of Alabama if this man is put to death in a manner that is cruel and unusual punishment, Brad.
I emphasized that when I called.
So I hope they're going to be responsive to your efforts to alert them that they have to take care of- I would have hoped so, but it doesn't seem that they are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes, it doesn't seem so.
So, do you want to try to reach him again?
Yeah, but you're on the phone, right?
You couldn't call while you're talking to me, correct?
Yes.
You can call with your other phone, Fred.
I can call with the other phone?
Yeah.
All right.
But I don't think you'll be able to hear me.
Yeah, we will.
That's the problem.
Yeah, we will.
Why not?
Why not?
Just call on the other phone and let us hear.
I'm calling on the other phone, and I don't think you'll be able to hear what I'm doing, but that's all right.
Well, we can at least hear your end.
And anyway, don't you have a speakerphone?
Yeah, I'll put it on speaker, but this is going to be my cell phone.
Yeah, go ahead.
I'm on a cell phone.
It's working fairly well.
Do it, do it, do it.
Let us hear the conversation.
Hang on.
Okay, we're hanging on.
I know.
- Wow.
Speak into the phone if you can.
- Yeah, assuming you're on speaker, Fred, we're not hearing the ringing, which we ought to if it's on speaker. - Hello, the phone which we ought to if it's on speaker. - Hello, the phone is Hello, the phone is ringing now.
We hear it.
We hear it.
Yes, this is Ted Luke you're calling.
I'm calling on the radio with Graham's sister, and I'm calling to see if we can get through to the governor.
I called two days ago and nothing has happened.
I wanted to talk to her about the execution that's coming up, and I don't believe you've got the necessary hardware to do it properly, which you need a hyperbaric chamber.
So can you get me through to her?
Yes, Fred.
We'll hear it.
We hear it.
Explain who you are, Fred.
Just say you're an expert on executions.
He wants you to say you're an expert on execution, Fred.
Yes, this is Fred Lutzer calling. this is Fred Lutzer calling.
I'm a certified expert in execution equipment, protocol, and hardware.
I spoke the other day with Hunter Scott, and he was supposed to get through to the governor's office and have somebody get back to me.
The execution that's scheduled, and it's going to take place early in the morning, Will not go well, because you need a hyperbaric taper.
All you're going to wind up doing is giving the individual the bends, and he may die of an air embolism.
But you're not going to get the achieved result.
So, would you give me a call back, and we'll take it from there.
Thank you.
Goodbye.
Okay, that's all I can do.
He transferred me to the phone number of the head of the Department of Yeah, that's the Department of Bullshit, Fred.
That's the Department of Public Relations.
That's the Department to, you know, pretend you care about a caller's concerns so you never have to bother the governor.
That's not good.
Right.
So they're very well organized there.
They must allow press to cover it.
This is a public execution.
It may be public, but they're not even letting the information out on the protocol.
They've redacted most of the information, and most of the news media are unhappy about that, but there's not much they can do.
I wonder, Fred, if you ought to call the Associated Press.
Maybe in Alabama?
I have a call into the AP, but nobody has gotten back to me.
The information was supposed to be passed through to the gentleman who was covering the execution, but he never got back to me.
Let's try that again.
Yeah, let's try that one, Fred.
Yeah, let's try that one, Fred.
Okay.
He's called two offices of the Associated Press.
Yeah, it's very good, Mona.
Yeah.
Go ahead and dial it.
You go ahead and call them as you did before.
You have to do it.
Let's go ahead and dial it, Fred.
What'd you say?
Go ahead and dial it.
You go ahead and call them as you did before.
I'm doing it now.
OK.
Very good.
Thanks.
Good.
We hear it.
Yes, is Mike Warren available?
Sure.
Okay, thank you.
Good.
Aha!
I got my picture on.
Can you guys see me?
No, not at the moment.
You just go ahead, Brent.
Hello, is this Mike Warren?
Yeah.
Hi, this is Fred Lucha calling back.
I hadn't heard from anybody, and I was hoping... Yeah, listen, we're in the middle of an urgent story.
I can't talk.
I need your information.
No, they're not.
They don't know about the Barrett...
They don't.
No, they don't.
They don't understand about the Barrow-Whatchamajiggy.
Tell them about the chamber, Fred.
I told him about it yesterday.
He just hung up on me.
He said it was in the middle of an urgent story.
And he said they have other experts that have said the same thing.
Nobody has.
Nobody has.
I've done the research.
Nobody's bringing up the idea of a Barrow-Whatchamajiggy.
Hyperbaric chamber.
I'm sure of that.
Yeah.
They're bringing up all kinds of trivial stuff like whether the mask is going to be sealed or not.
And according to Fred, you don't even need a mask if you're in a hyperbaric chamber.
You just release the gas.
You know, they're talking about stuff that doesn't matter.
Right.
Well, yeah, I'm talking about air leaking with a mask.
But if they're in a chamber, then all they have to do is pump the nitrogen into the chamber.
And when they reduce the pressure, it'll work.
I think, yes.
You know, if he were working on your story, you would think he'd want to interview you, so that suggests whatever story he's working on that's of such great urgency that it must not be the execution and the failure to take into account the hyperbaric pressure, Fred.
This is pretty disturbing, all in all.
Yeah, or at least... Go ahead, Fred.
Nobody seems to care.
So I became involved in this, uh, in, in making execution equipment and, and supporting the prisons to avoid, uh, to avoid torture.
And it doesn't seem to, uh... Confidence, confidence, confidence, confidence.
Okay.
I think I finally made it in.
Good.
We gotcha.
Hey!
Okay, that's good.
All right.
Can you hear me on the, uh, on the, uh... Yes.
Both are working.
I've got to hang up the telephone then.
Go ahead.
I think we're okay.
Okay.
So you should be able to hear me.
I don't see you yet, Jim, but... No, I'm frozen, Fred.
You know how Zoom works.
Sometimes you get the image, sometimes you don't.
Okay.
I'm very proud of you for going after this, Fred.
Very responsible as a good citizen of the United States and an expert in the field.
And I'm just...
Sorry to say that the appreciation for scientific expertise in the United States is rather dismal at this point in our history.
Sad to say.
Right.
Well, as I say, I don't know what the answer is, but nobody seems to care.
I mean, the Department of Correction in Alabama has gone off half-cocked And if they get through this thing without anybody seeing that they're having a problem, it's going to be amazing.
Do we know of what crime he was convicted and for which is being put to death?
I think he I read someplace where I think he was a hit man, but I'm not sure.
That's right.
It it probably doesn't make any difference.
I don't care what he did.
You know, it it Yes.
It's not incumbent upon me to question the state for executing somebody and for whatever crime they committed.
The only thing that's incumbent upon me is to see that they do it in a fashion that they don't torture anybody.
Yes, of course.
I don't think his lawyer has really done a good job with this because the lawyer has done the same thing that they did in Kemla, and Kemla let the execution go forward.
They let him electrocute, uh, Kemla.
And, uh, and I think that was the same thing that's going to happen here.
They're going to let them execute, uh, uh, they're going to let them execute, uh, uh, uh, uh, You know this.
Kenneth Smith.
Kenneth Smith but I mean they're going to let the execution go forward and it's not going to accomplish anything.
All they're going to do is hurt the man.
It's certainly going to be cruel and unusual and this will be probably one of the worst types of pain because people that suffer from the bends which is what's going to be happening with this.
It's a very A terrible way to die.
And the worst part of it is the state has the capability of doing this.
I'm sure that they can borrow a hyperbaric chamber from the Coast Guard.
I mean, Alabama's Alabama's on the coast and there's Coast Guard facilities there.
I'm sure the Coast Guard would be willing to let them have one and it would be a simple enough job just to put the men in the chamber and reduce the pressure.
Yes, yes.
I don't think they could.
Have you called the lawyer's office?
Have you spoken to the lawyer?
Yeah, he hasn't gotten back to me either.
Do you want to try calling his office once again while we're here?
Okay.
Let me get the lawyer's number out here.
We need the one in Alabama.
Right, I think I got it right.
The one in New York disappeared.
Yeah, the one in New York we couldn't get, but I got it right here.
Hang on a second.
Okay.
There he is.
His name is Andy Johnson.
And we'll get there in a minute.
Okay.
Use your cell.
Go ahead and call him right there in front of us.
Okay.
I've got to do it on my landline this time.
Okay.
Perfect.
Can we hear?
Will we be able to hear from him, the speaker?
We should be.
I'm going to put it on speaker.
Okay.
521-8000.
And I've got his extension, which I will dial.
Yes, I'd like to speak with Andy Johnson, please.
Okay, thank you.
And if he's not there, I'll speak with his assistant.
Tell him you're on Jim Fetzer's radio show.
I will, as soon as I get to somebody that can understand me.
I was talking to somebody else.
I'm on I'm on the radio right now.
I'm on the Jim Fetzer Show.
The name of the show is The Raw Deal.
I called a couple of days ago and I've been trying to get through to Andy Johnson.
Okay, sir.
Give me one moment.
Carla Batchelor, but she hasn't gotten back to me yet either.
I'm concerned about the execution.
I'm a certified execution technologist in most of the states and the federal government.
And there are reasons that they shouldn't go forward with this.
They're going to give your client the bents and he's going to have a terrible death.
Yes.
Okay, sir.
Give me one moment.
I'll go ahead and address you over.
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Hello, this is Fred Blucher calling back.
As I said the other day when I called and I left a message for Andy and I left a message for Carla, I'm a certified execution technologist by the federal government and by many of the states.
I'm concerned about the execution of Mr. Smith.
It's going to be a terrible fiasco if they do it.
They're going to give Mr. Smith the bends and he's going to have a horrid death.
Which he's going to have a probably an embolism to the heart or to the brain are and he's also going to experience seizures from what's going to happen.
So I the I mean the answer is here that that somebody should be doing something about it.
The state is not equipped to do this job.
They need to have a hyperbaric chamber that And they don't.
They need to reduce the pressure in the chamber on Mr. Smith to get to the equivalent of what would be 30,000 feet, which would be something on the order of three and a half pounds per square inch.
If they do it at sea level, which is 16 pounds per square inch, Air, the oxygen and or the nitrogen that's dissolved in the blood is going to come out of solution and there's going to be an air or a nitrogen embolism, which is going to do a considerable amount of damage and is extremely painful.
So, would somebody please get back to me?
I'm trying to help you stop the execution.
My phone number is 781-322-0104.
I'm calling from Boston, and as I said, I'm presently on the James Fitts' radio show, The Raw Deal.
So please get back to me, and we'll see if we can do something for you.
Have a nice day.
Bye-bye.
Very good, Fred.
That would certainly be, for him, a very raw deal.
Right.
Certainly.
Right.
Tony, your thoughts about the situation?
I think they're going to go forward with the execution.
And I think they're going to torture Mr. Smith.
And I think that this should have been avoided.
The governor has not stepped up to the plate.
Quite frankly, I don't think they care.
And I think they don't realize what they're dealing with.
I think they're going to have a terrible mess down there.
The United Nations has asked that they don't do this because many people know what happens when you try to take somebody's life or even the animal's life.
They no longer use it for putting animals to sleep because of the fact that the results are so poor.
The animals have convulsions.
They probably have a heart attack due to An air ambulism going to the heart and also to the brain.
They could wind up... Stand by, Fred.
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I'm here with Fred Luchter and Mona Montgomery about the execution to take place tomorrow using a novel method of nitrogen which, being applied at The appropriate barometric pressure equivalent to about 30,000 feet altitude would be a painless death.
The subject would simply fall into a sleep from which he would never recover.
But it's done at a barometric pressure of ordinary sea level, roughly.
It's going to induce painful death, embolism, strokes, the like.
Very horrific and clearly violative of the constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.
So Fred has been making efforts over several days to reach the governor's office.
I myself made two calls today.
I reached Amy to explain what Fred had to contribute here and its importance.
Called back again and asked if I could speak to someone in the press.
And I was directed to Scott, who appears to be, that appears to be his last rather than his first name, where Fred on the air today has also called the governor's office and spoken with or left a message for Mr. Scott.
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Where I no longer have my producer Mitchell.
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It's actually a unique opportunity to talk to a man who had an historic role in the trials of Bert Sundell in Canada in 1988, where his report, the Lookter Report,
After having inspected facilities at various other camps in Germany, reported there was nothing there that could have remotely served to function as a gas chamber, and that the whole story was, uh, meh.
We have a caller on the line.
If I can bring him in.
Area code?
909.
Give us your first name, your state, and join the conversation.
Hey, it's Suzanne from Southern California.
All right, Suzanne.
Good.
Go ahead.
I just want to give out the phone number for the governor in Alabama.
All right.
334-242-7100.
334-242-7100.
I've made my phone call today.
That's all I got to say.
334-242-7100.
I've made my phone call today.
That's all I got to say.
I called.
Hey, Suzanne, that's wonderful. - Oh.
I'm delighted.
I'm delighted you called.
That's a great idea.
Let them hear.
Make their phone ring.
They may not pick up.
You may just leave a message, but make their phone ring off the bloody hook.
Thank you, Suzanne.
Wonderful.
Great call.
Very much appreciated.
Excellent.
Have a great show.
Thank you for calling.
Thank you for calling.
You bet.
Bye now.
Mona, was that terrific?
Yeah, that's great.
That's great.
Maybe that's what we should do.
We should ask everybody to call the governor.
Right, but we have just done that, Brad.
Right.
But for anybody that didn't get it, the governor of Alabama, her name is Kay Ivey, I-V-E-Y.
Her phone number is 334-242-7100.
And they are going to torture somebody to death between two and six tomorrow morning.
Let's stop it.
They don't have the proper tools.
Yes.
You gotta get a hyperbaric chamber in there before you put that guy to death because that's the only way you can keep it from being tortured.
The pressure is wrong.
The guys, the pilots drifted off into a beautiful dreamlike sleep because they were 30,000 miles above sea level.
You're gonna get that guy 30,000 feet above sea level and if you do it at sea level this guy's going to experience convulsions and bends and everything else that happened to all those animals.
It's an easy fix.
You've got these hyperbaric machines, chambers all over.
The coast guards can just wheel them out.
They're on wheels.
They can get them into that prison and you don't have to torture this guy if you don't want to.
You have this choice you've got to make.
Excellent Mona, excellent.
Thank you.
Just remember, write out the word hyperbaric chamber.
That's the key word.
Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
So that was your call to the governor's office, Maude.
Right.
Nice.
Very nice.
Right.
Right.
Fred, I'm sure a lot of our audience would be curious as to the consequences of your having issued the Luchter Report during the trial in Canada.
Can you tell us something about what happened thereafter?
Were people elated to discover the truth or were they not so happy?
It's taken a while, but I believe the last report I read indicated that More than half of the people today, particularly the young people, do not believe that the Holocaust ever occurred.
Yes, the Holocaust is defined in this instance as six million Jews being put to death in gas chambers using Zyklon B. And you know, it's fascinating, Fred, that Zyklon B was being used to delouse the patients Because the lice were spreading typhus and dysentery, so it was being used to maintain their health for the obvious reason that you can't get work out of a corpse.
And these were labor camps.
They weren't centers for extermination.
Americans seem to have a hard time getting that through their minds.
Yes, but that's very true.
And they'll To kill a number of people that they're talking about with Zyklon B, I don't believe there was ever that much Zyklon B in existence on this planet at any one time.
We generate our hydrogen cyanide gas in the gas chamber using a 7% solution of sulfuric acid and either potassium or sodium cyanide Uh, pellets.
Uh, but, uh, the, uh, and that's because we have to have a very high concentration.
The execution has to take place within seven to 10 minutes.
Otherwise it would linger on and on and you run the risk of a leak.
Uh, however, uh, using Zyklon B is not enough.
There's not enough gas in the Zyklon B.
to even approach what we need to kill one person, let alone 6 million people.
The Zyklon B, there's several forms, but the most common form is hydrogen cyanide gas absorbed in a chalk pellet.
And the chalk pellet then, it's a bunch of chalk pellets in a in a bag or a container and is put into what's called a stove.
And the stove is heated and they blow warm air through the chalk pellets and it causes the gas to sublimate and come out of the chalk pellets and become gas again.
And unfortunately, there's not enough in one of these bags or packages of Zyklon B To get enough gas to kill anybody.
So it takes a lot more than they had.
And I don't believe there was ever enough Zyklon B on the planet to kill anywhere near the number of people that they said.
Yeah, that's all I meant.
You know, the International Committee of the Red Cross was keeping copious, detailed records on every inmate, their age, their sex, their ethnicity, their religion, their cause of death.
And in 1993, they recalibrated the total.
Which turned out to be 296,081 non-zero zilch, of whom was put to death in a gas chamber using Zyklon B. Fred, it's been a monstrous hoax, it's been a myth, used to justify the creation of the state of Israel, which now of course is engaged in
Genocide against the Palestinian people, and I'm hoping that the International Court of Justice will issue a ruling very promptly and demand that Israel cease its slaughter of Palestinians who, by the way, ironically, are bona fide Semites.
So very true.
the modern day Israelis are descendants of Gazaria.
They're not Semites themselves.
So their prosecution of Palestinians who are makes Israel the greatest practitioner of anti-Semitism in the world today.
So very true.
Well, what's going to happen?
Even if the United Nations does come down on them, I don't see any action being taken against them.
Yeah, it's symbolic.
It's a moral statement.
It does have significance under international law.
But alas, the court, although it's the highest legal entity in the United Nations, does not have an enforcement mechanism.
But I do believe that other states or entities that moved against Israel on that basis would find themselves Undertaking a justifiable action, a legally justifiable action.
What's going on in the U.S.
and Yemen right now is totally illegal and in violation of international law because the Houthis have declared war on Israel.
They're targeting All and only ships with cargo headed for Israel, which is in accordance with the laws of war.
But now that the U.S.
and the U.K.
have attacked them, they have made all U.S.
and U.K.
assets legitimate targets for the Houthis.
And now there's such a threat to commerce that Lloyd's, for example, will not insure any of these ships.
Commercial traffic through the Red Sea has virtually been brought to a halt.
I congratulate the Houthis and the fact that the U.S.
is bombing them again and again.
They underwent eight years of bombing by Saudi Arabia, and it was using American planes and American bombs.
So if we have a change in pilots, and I would be willing to bet pilots before were probably U.S.
pilots too, The Houthis are tough.
These are some of the fiercest warriors the world has ever known.
The United States is engaging in one more war where we're going to find ourselves defeated, as we did in Vietnam and in Afghanistan.
And while we can do tremendous damage, as we did to Libya and Iraq, We're not endearing ourselves to the world's population, but rather becoming the most reviled and despised nation in the world, along with Israel, our gallant ally in the Middle East.
It's outrageous.
Mona, your thoughts?
Well, I don't know about these Houthis, but I know about the Yemenis have been being attacked by Saudi Arabia.
Do you think that the fact that the Houthis have shown enough I think it's very real.
And the Houthis, by the way, are the government of Yemen.
debating the other Arab states, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, these guys who should be stepping in and saving the Palestinians and seem not to care at all.
I think it's very real.
And the Houthis, by the way, are the government of Yemen.
They have negotiated a peace deal with Saudi Arabia, whereby the Saudis take the South Yemen, which is oil rich, and the Houthis who were never interested in prospering financially have the North. and the Houthis who were never interested in prospering financially But what's happened with the U.S.
and U.K.
attacks is they have made that peace deal in jeopardy, and the Saudis are very worried because the Houthis have the ability to take out their oil refineries, which would create an economic catastrophe for the West.
And if they continue with these attacks, and it appears they're going to, Biden even said, That we're going to continue to attack, but it's not going to deter the Houthis, which sounds like an idiotic policy, until you understand that Bibi Netanyahu is our commander-in-chief, that we have an Israeli-occupied Congress, Yeah, I was basically calling the shots regarding foreign policy.
What interest does the United States even have in Ukraine?
It's because they want to turn Ukraine into the new Israel that we're there fighting against Russia, completely contrary to our interests.
And we even lost, it appears, our Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, on the 3rd of January, was in an underground bunker with a commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces when Russia launched an attack It appeared to have turned him into a million little pieces, and the government was so embarrassed and caught flat-footed, they've made up fantastic stories about him being out of contact with his subordinates and his superiors for a week.
I mean, I'm telling you, as a former officer in the Marine Corps, it's impossible that that should happen.
So they're resorting to an impossible explanation to try to Obviate the fact that he was killed in Ukraine, because that means the U.S.
was directly engaged in war with Russia, which is the fact of the matter.
We now have 50 or 60 regular French Army soldiers who have been killed as well.
Where Russia has summoned the French ambassador to ask what's going on here, because that means just like the US, the French have been directly engaged in war with Russia.
And of course, Russia can no longer believe anything the West has to say.
I think negotiations with the West are done deal, meaning dead in the water.
Because even Angela Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany, acknowledged that the Minsk agreement were just a buy time to beef up Ukraine for a military conflict with Russia, which they have lost.
Up to 500,000 men.
I mean, it's really stunning where Colonel McGregor has been excellent on this.
Mona first, then Fred.
Mona.
Well, yeah, I mean, Russia, you can't hurt Russia by sanctioning Russia or threatening Russia because Russia can stand on its own.
Russia doesn't need, they'd like to trade with Europe, but they don't really need to.
They're self-sustaining.
They've got enough natural resources and As when you start freezing all of their bank accounts, as the West has started to do, they're just going to quarantine themselves and survive.
And we won't, I don't think we're going to survive without Russia.
I'm not sure about that, but I know that you can't hurt Russia by severing ties with Russia.
And that's all we've been doing.
We've been stealing all their bank accounts and saying, we're going to keep all your stuff.
And Russia's saying, okay, we're keeping all our stuff then.
We're keeping all yours.
We're not going to, we don't care.
We're just done with you.
Hey, the ruble's on the rise, BRICS is thriving, more and more countries are abandoning the dollar.
This is all very damaging to the United States and our economy.
Fred, your thoughts?
Well, I think that Europe is changing.
When you look and see the French farmers demonstrated last year, And now for the first time, we've got all these German farmers that are demonstrating, they're blocking the roads and everything else because they don't like the government policy.
And the government policy has been pro-Israel and pro-Jewish.
And that's something that it's taken an awful long time, but maybe the Germans are starting to develop some backbone.
Yes.
And that's a good sign.
One thing I did want to mention is that the United Nations is complaining about what's happening with the Palestinians.
And perhaps what the United Nations should do is they should file a criminal complaint with the World Court against Netanyahu and charge him with genocide.
You're talking about the International Criminal Court because we are there.
Yes.
Are you good?
Yes.
Okay.
Is that the right phone, Fred?
That's the right phone.
Okay.
Come on, Anthony.
I'm calling.
Okay.
I keep forgetting, that phone, the buttons don't work on it.
Okay.
I have other phones, but that one, and I'm pushing on it.
That wasn't the Office of the Governor of Alabama calling back for your advice and consultation, correct?
I don't think so.
That was an unlisted number.
But anyway, do we have anybody listening from Alabama?
Are the people in Alabama upset about the fact that they're about to torture somebody to death?
If we got anybody out there from Alabama, give us a call and tell us what your feelings are.
Yeah, that was something I emphasize in my calls.
This is going to be very embarrassing for Alabama when they're in violation of the constitutional proscription against cruel and unusual punishment.
This most certainly falls into that category.
The number, again, to speak to Fred, Mona, me, 608-957-8727.
608-957-8727. 608-957-8727.
I so appreciate Suzanne calling in to encourage everyone to call the office of the governor of Alabama.
I encourage you to pursue that.
Do it.
Mona, Fred.
Yeah, I'd like to repeat what Susan gave us, the governor's number.
It's area code 334-242-7100.
And thank you, Susan.
Thank you for calling in.
That's why I was able to call the governor's office.
And she's one of your Californians, too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so.
Anyway, back to the Ukraine.
I'm just waiting for Russia to win.
I'm just sitting here not even paying attention anymore because I know who's going to win.
Basically, the war is over, Mona.
Russia has won.
They're doing rearguard action, including some attacks on Russia, and there is a fear Zelensky might resort to the use of nukes because there are those Here we go.
We have another call.
Please.
Eriko, 801.
Please give us your name and state and join the conversation, 801.
Go ahead.
Utah, and I am calling because I don't know Shan, but I so admire Fred Luster.
Actually, and I also listen to you on RBN, Jim.
Excellent!
So, yes, I did tune in a little bit late.
I didn't know about this program that you do.
So I'm curious to know who this man is that they plan to execute.
Yeah, can Mona or Fred?
His name is Kenny Smith.
Yeah, Kenneth.
He goes by Kenny Smith.
They tried to execute him almost three months ago, and they couldn't get a vein.
They were going to lethally inject him.
And they had him on the gurney for five hours, poking him.
They even did an IV cut down.
But, you know, what most people don't realize is that most of the people that get lethally injected, the criminals, are former drug users.
They have very poor vascular systems.
And in order to do it, some of them, they have to do an IV cut down, go into the carotid artery in the neck, or they have to go into an artery in the groin.
And the problem that they have when they do this is that none of the doctors in any of the States are willing to participate.
And what we've got is we've got gods with a 10th grade education doing IV cut downs with a jackknife.
And it's a total disgrace.
But, you know, it's unfortunate because nobody, none of the medical people will step up and help the states.
And that's something that they shouldn't have to deal with.
And that's the major drawback to lethal injection.
Mona, can you tell us anything about Kenneth Smith's crime and why he's being executed?
Yes, he was hired by a minister to kill the minister's wife, along with two other men, both of whom have been executed.
And now they want to execute Kenneth Smith.
What's interesting is that due to some of the facts of the case that I don't know, a jury unanimously, 11 to 1, voted not to have the death penalty, but to give him life in prison.
But the judge overrode that before 2017.
At which time it was no longer legal for a judge to override that type of jury verdict.
So, had it been 2017, the judge would not have been allowed to say that the jury could not avoid the death penalty.
Isn't that interesting?
Other questions you may have, caller?
Yes, I'm just curious about Fred's life.
Fred, you went over this I'm retired now.
participated in Ernst Zundell's trial.
I believe it was Ernst Zundell's trial.
I know that your career has been destroyed by these enemies of humanity.
What are you doing now?
I'm retired now.
I'm going to be 80 and I'll be 81 in the first week of February, but I live on a small Social Security pension and that's about it because I'm actually unemployable.
My age is a problem.
I worked for a while as a concierge, but by the time you get to be my age, nobody wants to hire you.
I think they're afraid you're going to drop dead on their facility, so I have no plans on doing that.
I intend to be around for another 15 to 20 years.
Because somebody has to stand up and give these Jews that we're dealing with a hard time.
How was your career impacted after your testimony at the Ertzsandel trial in 1988?
Well, I was virtually unemployable when I was looking for work.
And my career as an execution expert was destroyed because the prison wardens and the officials in prisons all over the country are political animals.
Fred Mona, I want to thank you.
Wonderful callers.
You are terrific.
Let me encourage everyone to spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about, because we do not know how much time we have left.
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