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Dec. 20, 2023 - Jim Fetzer
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FRED LEUCHTER – Further Abuse of an Octogenarian "Holocaust Denier"
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It's a great pleasure for me to introduce as our third speaker a figure who has made an historic contribution to perhaps the most controversial event of our time, where during the trial of Ernst Zundell in Canada, which took where during the trial of Ernst Zundell in Canada, which took place in two parts, 1984 and 1988, as Robert Forreston has reported, where he, of all is a towering figure in the world of
of all is a towering figure in the world of revisionist historical research, was distinguished by Zundel being put on trial because he promoted a pamphlet called Did Six Million Really Die?, which was distinguished by Zundel being put on trial because he promoted a pamphlet called Did Six Million Really Die?, which lays out a lot of reasons why, with the facilities available, you know, the amount of energy it would
It would have taken 30 years for six million to have been cremated in the facilities at these camps and where But he was put on trial for Holocaust denial.
And what was most striking about the very first trial in 1984 is that the prosecutor could not provide a single witness who could testify under oath to having witnessed anyone put to death in a gas chamber.
Well, prior to the second trial in 1988, and Robert Coruscant had a role in this, the legal team decided that it would be advisable if they consulted an expert on gas chambers.
And it turns out that the leading expert on gas chambers in the United States at the time was a fellow named Brad Lochter.
So I sent Fred over to Germany to visit the various camps, and during the second trial, what has come to be known as the Lochter Report, was introduced during the trial, where Fred explained that none of the facilities he'd encountered at any of the camps could possibly have served the function as a gas chamber.
And we all believed, or those who were paying attention, that that had put the end to the myth.
But politics triumphs science.
And the fact that there were, to a certainty, no facilities there that could possibly observe that function was simply set aside, ignored, suppressed, So we get the ongoing story of the Holocaust myth.
I have myself published a piece on it separately and found my Wikipedia page was gutted back in 1914 when I organized an academic symposium on the campus of the University of Illinois In Champaign-Urbana, on academic freedom, are there limits to inquiry using JFK 9-11 and the Holocaust as examples?
And apparently that disturbed editors of Wikipedia, which as you're piecing together, actually it's a Zionist operation.
They build up credibility with a lot of basics about science and art and historical figures and ancient history.
Being pretty good, pretty accurate, pretty true, but the idea that anyone can edit is a myth.
For example, I founded Scholars for 9 Love and Truth, and yet I discovered they had false statements about the history of scholars, which no one knew more than I. When I tried to correct it, they wouldn't let me.
Five times I corrected, they reverted.
I wound up in a chat with the editor.
I said, you're not going to let me fix it, are you?
And he said, no.
Well, after this conference in 2014, because I addressed the Holocaust, they gutted my Wikipedia page, gutted it.
I mean, it was really awesome.
All kinds of detail about my research on JFK, 9-11, Wellstone, even I think already my early work on Sandy Hook.
They just got it.
Meanwhile, Nicholas Kollerstrom, who will speak tomorrow on Ukraine, the just war, who's just such a diligent, productive scholar, put together a book about the Holocaust, We had the benefit of the British death books.
The British had cracked the German code, so they were keeping copies of every document.
The Germans were so thorough, so methodical, they had every record, every data point you could watch to compare.
The British death books, with what the International Committee of the Red Cross had ascertained where they recalibrated their findings in 1993, discovering, based upon records of the age, the sex, the ethnicity, the religion, and the cause of death,
That the total who had died in all camps combined was 296,081, none of whom had died from being put to death in a gas chamber using Zyklon B. And Nick invited me to write the introduction to his book called Breaking the Spell, published in 2009.
And I authored that piece, which has been published separately under the heading of the Holocaust Narrative—Politics Trump's Science.
You can find it on the government rag.
You can find it on my own blog.
But I must say, I am privileged.
To introduce the author of the Luchter Report, Fred Luchter, in the flesh, with us here today.
Like myself, a fellow octogenarian, Fred, it's just a great pleasure.
The floor is yours.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Go right ahead, Fred.
Okay.
What am I supposed to see when this happens?
Just-- Am I supposed to see myself?
I guess that's the question.
No, don't worry, Fred.
Don't worry.
We can all see you.
Oh, okay.
All righty.
At any rate, I guess it makes it a little difficult because At any rate, my name is Fred Lutscher.
I want to thank everybody for being here to listen to me today, particularly Jim and all of the people.
Good morning and good afternoon, because I know we've got people all over the place.
I can't tell if you can see this, but this is a photograph I'm holding up.
This is the original Oyster Report.
There were only three of these.
I have one.
One of them was burnt up in the fire at Ernst Zundel's home in Canada, and the other one is in the hands of the court, and I have no idea what happened to that.
But at any rate, as most of you know, a little bit of background on this.
I'm an expert on execution equipment.
I've made electric chairs, gallows, gas chambers, and lethal injection machines.
I invented The lethal injection machine in the process for the state of New Jersey.
And unfortunately, the unfortunately now, since the European Union has declined to sell sodium pentothal or sodium thiopenthol to the American states, lethal injection has really gone down the tube because everybody is being tortured because nobody knows how to do it.
And since the Jews have done such a wonderful number on me, nobody listens to me or will contact me so I can help them out of their dilemma.
I mean, it's gotten so bad that I built an entire electrocution system for the state of Tennessee, and they decided that I was not competent to do this.
They brought in An engineer from South, from down South.
He's now deceased.
But he came in and he modified my power supply for the execution system.
So they reduced the voltages and the times.
And it now amounts to what they had in Florida.
And I'm sure you all remember when they set one of the inmates heads on fire in Florida.
And I I testified in court in Florida and I stopped execution for six months.
Yes.
I didn't hear you.
You can't hear me?
Okay.
Okay.
Mona Montgomery.
I'll bring her in right now.
Okay.
Well, she's already in the panelists.
All right.
Okay.
Go ahead, bring her in now.
Mona has slides to add to Fred's presentation, so we're going to bring Mona in now.
Call from integrated data.
Call from integrated.
Can we bring in Mona?
Yeah, Mona's.
Mona's a panelist right now.
Well, Mona, turn on your video, Mona.
There we go.
There we go.
Very good.
Mona has complimentary slides to go with Fred.
So now you're both together on the screen.
Fred, Mona is there.
Okay.
And your microphone.
Get your microphone.
You don't want my microphone.
You don't need it.
You just want the slides.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Mona.
You're good.
You're good.
You can turn off your microphone.
Go ahead, Fred.
Please proceed.
Mona is there.
Put as many slides as you want, Mona.
Go for it.
Okay.
At any rate, as I had said, here we have a picture of Kreml 1 at Auschwitz.
I hadn't finished discussing the issue in Tennessee, so I will.
They brought the fellow who made the Florida electric chair in and he modified it and they've been hoping that there'd be a failed execution so they could point and say, see, Fred Lucha didn't know what he was talking about, but I had supplied extra good and better designed, a lot of surface area electrodes that are in use with the chair.
I used two leg electrodes and a head electrode.
Large size, so there's a lot of coverage, and they haven't had a failure yet, even though they may be hurting the people that they're electrocuting, and there's no way of my telling that.
But at any rate, okay, let's get back.
As you know, Robert Forreston spoke to Zundel, and at the second trial, he said, we have to get an expert on gas chambers, so they came and they found me, And they sent me to Poland to view the facilities at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek.
At any rate, this is a drawing of what the Kreml 1 looks like in Auschwitz.
I brought a draftsman with me and we drew everything to scale and to size.
And this is a copy of what is actually there at Auschwitz I at Auschwitz.
Okay, can we change the slide?
Okay, this of course is the front door of Auschwitz, where this famous work makes you free.
Change the slide again.
Okay, this is a drawing of Auschwitz-Birkenau combined, or what they call Auschwitz and Auschwitz I and II.
Okay, let's change the slide.
Okay, this again is Auschwitz.
We can see the electric fence and the brick dormitories.
This is, okay, this again is a photograph of my of my draftsman walking in the photograph, Howard Miller, who's now deceased.
This is a photograph of one of the concentration camps, Majdanek in Poland.
Okay, next slide.
Okay, here's an aerial photo of the IG Farben complex.
This is where they made artificial rubber.
They made it by destructively distilling coal.
And they made the rubber out of the results of that.
This was the main thrust of what went on in Auschwitz.
And the purpose of that was to supply rubber for gaskets, tires, etc.
And it kept the German military rolling.
Without rubber, there was no way for an army.
An army travels on rubber.
And their engines and everything have gaskets, etc.
And this is where it all came from.
They couldn't get any chicle from the Far East, which is what is normally used to make rubber, so the Germans invented artificial rubber.
Could you click on to the next one, please?
This is a photograph of the alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz.
This is Kreml 1.
You'll see they got a little memorial here with some flowers And you can see it was originally a morgue.
And if you look, you can see locations on the wall where when it later was used as a bomb shelter, there were vertical indications where the Russians took the walls down, which show that they were baffles.
They didn't go all the way across.
So you could walk from one room to the next, but it was kind of like a maze.
And that was done because the facility was a number of things.
Even though they said it was a gas chamber, of course it wasn't.
The Germans were using it for a morgue because the crematory was right next door to it.
The door to the crematory is just out of the picture on our left.
And originally it was built as a magazine for the military because it's partially underground and if there was an explosion or something, of course that's Yeah, I do.
You always put magazines with explosives in cool areas and hopefully underground.
Could we move to the next slide?
Okay, this is a copy of, this is a photograph of two of the ovens at Auschwitz I.
You can see the units that they ran into, they put the bodies in that and they ran it into the ovens.
The ovens were made by Top, a German company.
And of course, they never cremated large numbers of people here.
They only cremated the people that normally died in the course of the operation of the camp.
Let's move on to another one.
Here's another one showing the same thing.
Ah, this is an interesting photograph.
This is the alleged gas chamber at Dachau.
There's an American soldier standing in front of the door.
It says, wake up, there's gas, it's dangerous.
Well, of course, it wasn't a gas chamber.
The gas chamber had two iterations.
And when we so-called liberated the camp, General Eisenhower, decided that there should be a gas chamber there to show the news media.
So they sent in a couple of carpenters that were soldiers and they built a phony gas chamber.
But it looked good for the news media and for Congress.
Congress came and in their inimitable style, they documented everything with drawings and measurements and everything else.
Well, when I arrived there, I I was, I documented the same thing.
We made copy, we made drawings of the alleged gas chamber.
And Ernst Zundel asked me, he said, would you like to see a copy of the congressional record when Congress came in 1945?
And I said, yes.
When I got it, I looked at it.
I complained to Ernst.
I says, none of the dimensions match.
And then he produced a newspaper article that was sitting in his files for years and nobody knew anything about it.
Two American GIs who were carpenters said that they built a phony gas chamber for the Congress to see.
Apparently, what happened is the idiots that built the gas chamber, they rebuilt the gas chamber to make it look real nice.
And we'll see a photograph of that in a minute.
Can we go to the beautiful gas chamber?
It looks like an operating room.
At any rate, they built this gas chamber.
Totally with new dimensions from the one that was originally there.
So this one here is neither one of them obviously were functional gas chambers.
I'd like to point to what you can see on the ceiling there, those round circles you see, are allegedly shower heads where gas came in.
Well, while we were there and we were making all the measurements and such, I found a I found a stepladder in a closet and I climbed up and I got on the ceiling of this room and I was looking down at the tourists that were walking around inside.
These so-called showerheads weren't showerheads, they were just markups that looked like a showerhead and I was looking down through the holes and I could see the people walking around.
So this room is As you can see, it's a joke.
It's a beautiful looking room with ceramic tile on the floor, ceramic tile on the walls, and drains in the floor.
Well, why are there drains in the floor?
Because there were drains in the floor at Kramer 1 at Auschwitz.
But the problem is that you don't put a drain in a gas chamber because the poison gas, the hydrogen cyanide gas, would go out through the drains into other areas of the camp.
So this room is a total joke.
So let's move on.
This is a sign that says gas chamber in German, gas chamber in English, French and everything else.
It says the gas chamber was never used, but nevertheless, it was there.
And the interesting thing about this, it says that the literature says that the people who were to be executed here, Well, we're never done here because the gas chamber was too small.
So they sent everybody to Mauthausen in Austria and Hotheim Castle also in Austria.
And as it turns out that neither one of those facilities had gas chambers.
They have rooms where they said there was supposed to be gas chambers, but when you actually look at them, they weren't gas chambers and they were a lot smaller than this room.
So the question is, why would you send People to a smaller gas chamber when you have a larger gas chamber.
The whole thing is just ludicrous, but you have to remember that the gas chamber myth evolved like topsy, and the mistakes that were made in the beginning wound up being made at the end when they made the phony gas chambers.
Could we have the next slide, please?
Okay, this is Birkenau.
This is Kremer 3.
You can see the Germans allegedly dynamited these places before the Allies arrived.
However, I don't know who dynamited them, but they presumably dynamited them because they didn't want to leave any evidence behind, but there was no evidence.
Of course, I went down into the structures below ground where they were blown up and I removed Samples, and of course the samples indicated that these areas never saw any hydrogen cyanide gas.
And the interesting thing about it is the Germans didn't have that much hydrogen cyanide gas.
They, toward the time that this was, all these executions were supposed to be happening, the Germans were in a financial crisis.
They didn't have money to buy enough hydrogen cyanide to fumigate the buildings.
And the Red Cross was on them for that.
And it's obvious from the tests that I made that there was never any fumigation done in these areas, although they were supposed to by international law.
So if we could move on.
This is another photograph of, this is Auschwitz I. You can see the areas where the baffle walls were when it was used as a bomb shelter.
You can also see the door on the left-hand side or the wall.
It's just an opening now.
The door has been taken out.
That goes into the crematory.
So you had un-gasketed doors where gas could leak into the crematory and the building would blow up.
None of the lighting in this facility was explosion-proof lighting.
So the building, if it were used for a gas chamber, We would have found that it would have blown up because the gas leakage.
Now, we can't see the holes in the ceiling here, but allegedly they were throwing gas pellets down on the floor when there were people occupying the facility.
Now, the facility was wall-to-wall people, so I don't know where the alleged gas pellets finally went.
This place is underground, out in the wilds of Auschwitz, and it's cold there.
When the alleged executions took place was in the winter, and the temperature probably would have been 15 or 18 degrees Fahrenheit.
Now you need, in order to sublimate, which means the gas is absorbed in diatomaceous earth pellets, In order to get the gas to come out of the pellet and become gas, it's a process that we call sublimation.
And you have to have a furnace or a heater to do that.
The gas sublimates at 72 degrees Fahrenheit.
It never was that in these areas in the Polish winter.
But nevertheless, they expect us to believe that they threw the gas in, and because there were so many people The body temperature caused the temperature in the room to rise, which is just plain foolishness.
But there were no, in these, in the alleged gas chambers, there were no furnaces or heaters to utilize the Zyklon B. Now, let me talk briefly about the Zyklon B so you know what it was.
Zyklon B was, they were little packets or discoids.
that the gas was absorbed in.
Some of them were pieces of paper.
Some of them had diatomaceous earth or chalk pellets.
And in order to utilize these, after you opened the can and took them out, you had to put them into a cage that was part of a furnace assembly.
The furnace, whether you heated it by coal or electricity or oil or whatever it was, Generated enough heat to get the temperature up over 73 degrees.
It then was pushed through the discoids and the gas was released and came into the, now this is, and was blown into the facility that they wanted the gas.
Now this is how it was done with the low sink facilities.
And these were all out away from all people Because they were dangerous and they leaked.
And as you know, these rooms are all, these locations are all covered with blue dye today, which is from the hydrogen cyanide gas.
It's called Prussian blue.
These facilities, this facility here, Auschwitz 1, never had any.
It never even was decently fumigated.
But at any rate, The facilities didn't have any way of heating the Cyclone B discoids, so the gas couldn't have been used in them anyway.
Next slide, please.
But this is the door again at the alleged gas chamber at, it says Brausabad, which means shower bath over the door.
And this is at Dachau.
Again, let's go to the next slide.
This is another crematory.
This one is at Majdanek.
Again, they've painted it up and they make it look real nice there.
Next slide.
This is a cartoon of the disinfecting people with DDT.
So now we're looking at an aerial photograph of uh of of one of the we're looking at an aerial photograph of uh of uh of uh McDonough which you can see the the The buildings where the inmates were housed, they were just barracks and we have a street.
The facilities were not all that bad for anybody.
Next slide, please.
Okay, this is again, we got a photograph of my draftsman Howard Miller here.
This is one of the entrances to the alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz One.
You can see the door.
It's a wooden door.
It does have a peephole in it, but there was no gasket on it.
And of course, it would leak like a sieve.
Also above the roof, you can see that famous chimney that did absolutely nothing.
It's not connected to anything.
If you look on the roof, you can see that each one of the furnaces or cremains where they did the cremation of the bodies, And there were three of them in there.
They had their own chimneys.
So there's no need of a third chimney, which the Russians built because I think they thought they should have had a crematory.
So they should have had a furnace.
They should have had a chimney for the crematory.
But in fact, they've alleged that this thing is connected underground to the furnaces, but it isn't.
Next picture, please.
Aha!
Now we have a photograph of Arizona's gas chamber.
You can see how complicated it is.
They've got a door, looks like a submarine door.
You can see the rubber gasket that goes all the way around the door.
There's two seats in there.
And when you close the door, the door is pressed in with that hand wheel.
It looks like the wheel which you steer a ship with, but it tightens the door down so you don't get any leaks.
Next please.
Here we have a picture of Auschwitz.
This is Kreml 1 again.
And we've talked about that a lot.
You can see the lighting wasn't even Wasn't even explosion proof, which it should have been.
Let's go to the next slide.
This is a comparison between the alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz I, and the one on the right is again the Arizona gas chamber.
And you can see how complicated it is.
The one on the left, and I've designated that as the Jewish gas chamber joke at Auschwitz, because It wasn't wrong.
There's absolutely no hardware there or anything that could make it suitable for gas executions.
And you can compare that with an American gas chamber, where you can see it's a lot more complicated, and there's a lot of plumbing.
We can't see quite in the picture because the strip of the names is covering it, but there's a special water valve on the side that Allows the chambers, all gas chambers, have to be evacuated while they're being run.
And you generate the gas in the chamber, and the gas is sucked out with an exhaust fan in the ceiling.
And the reason for that, and you have to have gas, you have to have air coming in, and that water valve allows the air to bubble through, but the gas can't bubble back because it's a Valve made of water and the suction is into the chamber.
Now in American gas chambers, all of the gas is generated in the chamber.
We drop sodium or potassium cyanide pellets into a solution of 7% sulfuric acid underneath the chair.
This is normally done with a mechanical butterfly that turns and just drops it into it.
And it's prepared before the execution.
And most of the more advanced ones had plumbing, which they brought in water and they brought in chemicals to neutralize the acid, prussic acid is left, which is deadly poison.
From the outside, they had a chemical one.
Because the prussic acid and the gas is very dangerous.
When a person is executed, They go in after the execution wearing rubber suits with an oxygen tank or a gas mask.
And the inmate, when he's executed, is executed in very little clothing.
He's wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
And that's because the gas has a tendency to hide in pockets on his body.
They ruffle his hair.
They ruffle his pubic hair.
And they pat him down.
They're wearing gloves to make sure that there's no gas remaining.
Because remember, the body has to be sent out to an undertaker.
They take the clothes off the man.
They burn the clothes.
And the executee is then washed down with either chlorine bleach, or ammonia, which neutralizes anything, any remaining gas that's on the skin.
And the hydrogen cyanide gas is absorbed through the skin, and it's also exuded from the skin, because it's in the oxygen that's going through the capillaries and the veins.
So this is an extremely terrifying way to die, because it's just the thought of it.
You suffocate from the inside out.
The hydrogen cyanide replaces oxygen on the hemoglobin molecule in the blood.
So what happens is it forms a permanent bond.
Oxygen only forms a temporary bond and the blood carries oxygen in.
And carbon dioxide out.
In this case, the hemoglobin bonds with the hydrogen cyanide, so the blood will not pick up any more oxygen.
And you suffocate from the inside out, and you choke to death without any means of breathing.
It's probably one of the most horrid ways of dying.
It's a very inhumane way of executing people.
It was thought to be a humane way after World War II, because they were modernizing everything, but it was actually one of the worst ways they could ever execute anyone.
Next picture, please.
This is another gas chamber.
This is in Wyoming.
You can see the way it's operated.
You can see the lever on the right, that red lever, turns the butterfly under the seats that releases the gas.
Now the gas in American chambers is much greater than the presumed amount of gas that was used in the alleged gas chambers in Germany.
You can't get anywhere near the amount of gas out of the Zyklon B discoid as you need actually kill somebody in the time period that's required.
We have to kill somebody with a time in a time period between seven and 10 minutes.
And in the alleged gas chambers in Germany, and Poland that were operated by the Germans.
They, they Had to do the same thing, or at least they were supposed to have done the same thing, because they talk about the executions taking only 10 minutes, and then they went in, the Zonderkommando went in, and they took the bodies out without any rubber suits, or any gas masks, or anything.
And these facilities that they had were not even vented, so it's unbelievable what happened.
They had no, the Sonderkommando obviously never went in.
They described as carrying bodies out while they were smoking, while they were eating sandwiches.
And of course, this is just ludicrous because it's totally not possible.
We have to, as I said, we have to wash everybody down with either chlorine, bleach or ammonia.
And the body is then sent to the undertaker, and if it's sent to the undertaker without that happening, the undertaker gets sick and may die from touching the body.
So, next slide please.
This is in Majdanek.
It's allegedly an area where they used actual gas coming from tanks.
And this This again is ludicrous because gas from tanks was only used once and it was used in the United States in the first execution that was done and they learned the hard way that that wasn't the way to do it.
They had the same problems in the first execution because they took a flower They took a facility out in the yard that was originally a gardener's shed.
They turned it into a barber shop first and then they decided to do the execution in it.
So this was outside in the open so if there was any leakage it would go out in the atmosphere.
The problem was nobody understood the fact that the gas, even though it was coming out of tanks, it has to remain in a gaseous state To stay in a sublime state, if you will, it had to be a temperature of over 73 degrees Fahrenheit.
The temperature out in the prison yard where they did this was something like 16 or 18 degrees.
They used tanks, they opened the tanks, they let the gas in, And there was a gentleman whose name was G. John.
He was a Chinese gentleman.
He was being executed because he murdered somebody in a Tong War.
And he was sitting strapped into a chair in this makeshift gas chamber.
And it was too cold.
The gas condensed on his feet and on the floor.
The people watching the execution could see a foot and a half of gas, which looked like fog, Below his knees.
And he sat there for several hours till the sun came up and the gas was able to rise and eventually kill him.
So we found out the hard way in the first execution that you have to have a heated gas chamber, which none of the facilities were in Poland.
Next slide, please.
Okay, we're back.
This is the, this is Crema 1 in Auschwitz.
And as I say, this was made by my draftsman, it's a layout, you can see the chimney, this is this, that was taken from a blueprint that the Russians had, they claim that the gas chamber was, they claim that that chimney was connected to this crema on the left, this, this Retort.
And that retort had been removed or it was never installed.
Only these two on the right were actually there.
The other one had footings for it, but it was never put in.
And I assume that was because they never had enough volume of gassings to put it in.
Next slide.
This is Mannheim Prison.
And for my work in Germany and my testimony in Canada, I visited Germany to speak at a meeting of college professors and high school teachers and I was taken in custody and I spoke.
A year later when I went back to be on a television show, the television show was the Schreinermacher Show, she's a woman who was like Donahue and She was coast-to-coast hookup in Europe.
I was about to go on the show when I was approached by three German police officers, plainclothes officers, and they told me that I would have to accompany them to Mannheim because of the speech that I had made before these college professors last year.
And well, now the case, I asked him, I said, do you people Do people have a warrant?
I'd like to see it.
Well, no warrant was issued.
So I said, well, obviously you don't have a warrant.
I said, I'm not going with you.
I'm going on the television show for which I came to.
I was asked to discuss the electric chair, which the Germans called the Elektrische Stuhle, which is electric chair.
The Germans, they're crazy about electric chair information.
And the woman, Mrs. Schrenemacher, who was waiting for me on the show, she spoke to the police and she says, you got to let him come on the show first.
They said, no.
And I says, I'm not going with you, so forget it.
At which point, one of the officers pulled out a Walther 380 pistol and he stuck it in my face.
And he said, if you don't come, I'm going to shoot you.
Well, at that point, I looked at him and I said, you made your point.
You don't have a warrant, but that's as good.
But I wasn't arrested and I was never arrested in Germany.
I was kidnapped in Germany.
I was taken to Mannheim.
I was thrown into the prison at Mannheim, which is this building here.
I was in the unconvicted side and I was in there for three and a half months till I finally got a bail hearing and I made bail.
But the whole point of it is, That Germany is supposed to be a country of laws and it apparently isn't because the police take people into custody with pistols and you don't have to have a warrant to be sent to prison.
Next slide.
These are STEAM facilities that they had at Birkenau, and they were used for delousing clothes.
There's a door on one side, which we see, they go through the wall, and there's a door on the other side.
So on this side, they put the clothes in, there was a rod that ran across, and they closed the door.
They pumped steam into the thing, they let the steam in there for some number of hours, and then they opened the door on the other side after they shut the steam off, and Somebody on the other side took the clothes out.
This was the delousing procedure.
If you remember, I told you they didn't have a lot of Zyklon B, so they had to come up with other means.
One of the other ways the Germans did it, and very few people even know this today, the Germans had microwave ovens, which were much the same as these steam chambers that they deloused with, and the microwave energy killed the the lice.
It's just the same as the microwave we have in our kitchens today.
It cooked the lice from the inside out.
So at any rate, so they had steam and they had that microwave.
Dilucid facilities and they needed these because very little dilucid was done with the Zyklon B because they didn't have any Zyklon B
During the time period that that happened, and I ran some numbers for this discussion, in order to kill six million people, the Germans would have had to have two and a quarter metric tons of Zyklon B gas, which I don't think ever existed at one time on the planet.
So did something just happen or my screen changed?
Can I see the next slide?
That's all the slides there are.
Well, that's all the slides we have.
Okay.
Okay, so where am I?
Oh, what I did want to emphasize here, which is something that most people don't realize happened when I went to Auschwitz-Birkenau and Majdanek and later Dachau, That the most important thing from my work was that not that I examined these facilities, I took samples and I showed that they never were exposed to poison gas.
But the most important thing is the fact that you cannot do mass executions, particularly with gas.
Even I can't do them.
Nobody has ever done this.
And I would like to point out what happened at a location.
It was a Union Carbide location for making a gas that was very similar to Zyklon B. But the gas that they were making was, it was a poison gas for, for, for delousing.
It was for, for, for, for extermination of Potato bugs and anything that was on agricultural things.
And they had an accident.
The people, the night shift at the plant wasn't paying attention and they allowed gas that was being manufactured into a large holding tank that was pressurized.
They over pressurized the tank and the tank exploded.
Out of the whole crew that was working that night in the plant, Three of them survived.
They later went to prison because they went monitoring what happened.
The gas spread out over the nearby countryside and 3,800 people died that night.
Everybody at the plant except those three people and 3,800 people died with the ensuing gas that spread.
This is the problem with if you try to do mass executions with gas.
It's impossible to control.
And what would have happened if the Germans did this at Auschwitz would have been the same thing that happened at Bhopal.
They would have killed all of the people operating the alleged gas chamber.
Plus they would have wiped out half the population or more in the camp.
So the important thing that we have to understand, and I think a lot of people still don't realize today, It's impossible to do mass executions with gas.
So whether or not people seem to think that there may have been other gas facilities at the transit camps, it wasn't possible because they would have most likely wiped out themselves and the camps and the people that were living at the camps.
So, okay.
At any rate, I'm having an interesting picture that's coming on here.
It's Mona's chair that keeps coming up.
Fred, you've done a simply outstanding job.
There were some questions in the chat about the dates of the photographs.
The alleged gas chambers were constructed post-World War II to create, you know, support the mythology.
Is that not correct?
That's correct.
There never were any gas chambers in any of the locations that they were alleged to have been at.
Right, so the number who died from being put to death in gas chambers turns out to be zero.
It's amazing, it's amazing!
We have some here in the chat room who were worried about the dates of the photographs, but you weren't using them because of the dates of the photograph, but to illustrate the points you were making about, for example, the difference between a real gas chamber And what they presented as though they had been gas chambers, which could not possibly have functioned for that purpose.
Right.
And certainly, if somebody asked me to build a gas chamber to kill a thousand people or 500 people, I would just tell them it can't be done.
If the Germans really wanted to kill that many people at one time, it would have been easy.
Put them in an old mine and blow the mine up.
Yes, yes.
Certainly, there's no mechanism to kill that many people.
I could not do it, and I'm the expert on execution.
I couldn't do that many people at one time.
You know, there have been a couple of questions I've raised in the chat that I'll just share with you.
Some, for example, the films of the Nazis bulldozing bodies into large pits.
We know there was an ongoing canard of six million was for propagandistic purposes.
But nevertheless, this author Asked, was there not genocide going on of some horrific form at some of these locations?
I think he didn't hear the part about the Germans bombing the railroad lines, you know, the German cities that made it impossible to resupply the camps with food.
But I mean, the Germans needed to maintain the health of the inmates for the simple reason that these were labor camps and you cannot get work out of a corpse.
And Zyklon B was actually used to destroy body lice on the inmates because it was spreading typhus and dysentery.
So it was actually to maintain their health that Zyklon B has been used.
So it's been massively misdescribed.
Fred, how much Zyklon B would it take to kill a person?
Well, in our gas chambers, we overdose the people in the chamber, but you have to do it if you're doing it within a 10 minute time period.
If I could not take a situation where I couldn't take one of the stoves that was made for the use of Zyklon B and pop it into one of our gas chambers, because the guy would be coughing and choking, there wouldn't be a strong enough concentration.
You have to over concentrate if you want and in a short period of time.
And the people that Invented the gas chamber story, looked to the United States, they said they do the execution in 10 minutes, so we can now execute a thousand people in 10 minutes.
Well, it ain't necessarily so, folks, and it's totally impossible.
And the other thing I wanted to mention is with the media facilities they had for cremating, what would they have done with the bodies?
Well, they had an answer for that too.
They put them in pits and burned them.
Birkenau, And the locations where these facilities were located, they were built in swamp areas, and the minute you dug down to make a pit, the pit filled with water.
How do you burn a body in a pit filled with water?
Yes, yes, yes.
By the way, I'd say, There's so many survivors of these concentration camps, and yeah, some have tattoos, and no one's denying they were tattooing the inmates for identification purposes, but how could there be any survivor of a death camp if they were unloading a group of cattle cars, putting them into the showers, and then turning on the gas?
How could there be any survivors?
I mean, Fred, I ask you.
So that the number of survivors, I get so many reports, I get the impression there are more survivors that were put to death in the camps by the mythology we're given to believe.
I believe that the people in the concentration camps, they reproduced like rabbits during the war, because at the end of the war there was approximately six billion people, six billion Jews left in Germany, And slightly more than 6 million Jews came into the United States as DPs after the war.
So we have 12 million people.
It doesn't make any sense.
Instead of cutting down on the numbers, the Germans were multiplying the numbers.
But nobody wants to look at the number of people that came into the United States and compare that with what was left in Europe.
Yes, yes, yes.
Well, Fred, you had an historic role serving as an expert witness in the Zondell trial.
I must tell you how much I admire your courage and integrity, and that you have persevered all these years later.
As you say, the ongoing abuse of an octogenarian holocaust denier indeed!
Yes.
And now, as you're going to see from Mona, I'm getting it now from the city of Malden.
Say that last part.
I'm still being persecuted by the city of Malden.
And whether or not it's because I was a Holocaust denier, the cities and towns seem to be persecuting all the elderly people.
They're taking away their homes and such.
Well, you know, Amy Goodman—and this had to be 20 years ago at least—featured in a former Israeli minister of education in which she brought up criticism of Israel and deflecting it.
The minister of education said, it's a trick.
If the criticism is coming from Europe, we bring up the Holocaust.
If it's in America, we call it anti-Semitism.
She openly acknowledged it was a political stunt.
And as I've sought to emphasize, the myth is defended so strongly on so many different fronts, in spite of its Provable falsity that it's just a sham that there weren't even any facilities that could possibly have served as gas chambers because Jewish political influence and power is rooted in a Western sense of guilt over the Holocaust.
And without the myth, they lose that.
Well, they've totally discredited themselves, by the way, for any victimhood by the mass slaughter, the genocide of Palestinians taking place as we speak, which is the most grotesque crime of recent history.
Fred, I just am so offended by what's happening, and the nations of the world are standing by as guilty accomplices by allowing this to persist.
There's a real genocide of real Palestinians And it may run into the millions, unlike the phony story we told about World War II.
But it's changing.
We've got, on a lot of the campuses, the Palestinians are demonstrating.
The Jews are upset.
They're trying to get it stopped.
Three colleges, three presidents of universities testified in Washington a week ago.
One of them resigned because of Jewish pressure.
That was the University of Pennsylvania.
But here in Boston, the president of MIT and also the president of Harvard have stood their ground and they said that we are not going to tolerate discrimination against Palestinians either.
Yeah, because what they're protesting, what's supposed to be anti-Semitism, is criticism of Israel!
It's got nothing to do with Judaism!
I mean, obviously, anti-Semitism is objectionable, just as is anti-Catholicism, just as is anti...
Anti-Seventh-Day Adventists, any other form of debunking a person or discounting their worth or value just because of their religious beliefs is unacceptable across the board.
But they've broadened the notion of anti-Semitism to include any criticism of Israel, which is just a manifest absurdity and a violation of our rights under the First Amendment.
And I sure as hell object to it, and I can't believe our Congress is so pathetic as to go along with it.
Very embarrassing, Fred.
But it's changing.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, And you have a lot to do with it, my friend, because giving objective scientific proof—honestly, so many of us thought this was the end to the mythology, and yet I'm getting reports even from a German native here in the chat room that the Holocaust is very popular among German academicians, and I replied to him, but it's bullshit!
I mean, this is embarrassingly bad.
You have to remember, though, that the German psyche was destroyed in the 20 years after World War II.
So, unfortunately, the Germans hate themselves.
You know, Gamow Rudolph read my report and he confirmed it.
He's a PhD chemist.
He went and he did that.
He got in a lot of trouble for it.
But the issue is that he still, he doesn't like the term death camps.
Because he said extermination camps.
He said these camps were death camps.
He blames the Germans for the fact that typhus killed these people.
And I've talked to him several times.
I said, no, the typhus came with the fleas and the ticks.
that came from the ghetto, and the Germans did their best.
Each time, they finally destroyed the ghetto, the Warsaw ghetto.
But he has been brainwashed, too, to the extent that he feels guilty because of all the people that died of typhus.
Well, if they didn't have the concentration camp, it wouldn't have happened.
But he said, no, they didn't use poison gas.
That's true.
They didn't.
There wasn't a mass extermination program.
But I mean, the German people, here's a man that knows what happened.
But he still is flagellating himself because his psyche has been destroyed.
By the way, my German source in the chatroom has emphasized he just met a German careerist academician.
You know, those who want to make, I guess, you know, cozy up to the administration are enthusiastic about the Holocaust when absolutely they ought to be denying it.
I mean, the camps are right there at hand.
They could investigate.
They could follow your word.
Fred, this is wonderful.
I'm sure during the question period there's going to be a lot for you, my friend, but we have one more speaker before we reach that point, who happens to be me.
We're going to take a five-minute break to conclude this recording setup for our very next Standby.
We'll be right back.
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