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Nov. 30, 2023 - Jim Fetzer
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Fascinating Interview with Former World Bank Employee Peter Koenig
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com, and this is going to be one that you will not forget.
We're bringing on now for the first time Mr. Peter Koenig, who worked with the World Bank.
He's an economist, he's an author, and he worked with the WHO, and he even wrote a book that was published, I believe, back in 2008, kind of telling the story of what really goes on behind the scenes in the World Bank and in these financial, you know, quasi-government institutions that exercise so much control over geopolitical events and nations and the creation of history.
And he is a specialist in water, which, of course, means he has a lot of experience in the Middle East where water is obviously perhaps the most precious resource of all, even more than oil.
But he joins us today for an in-depth discussion about what's happening right now with Israel and Palestine and Hamas and the bombing and so much more.
And welcome, Mr. Koenig.
It's an honor, sir, to have you on the show today.
Thank you very much, Mike.
Call me Peter.
Okay.
It's an honor for me to be on your show, really.
Well, thank you so much.
I'll call you Peter.
And let's begin with a little bit of your background that you worked in.
I mean, you did research and studies An analysis in Gaza with the Palestinian people.
Can we start there?
Just give us a little bit about your experience in the region.
And then I have a long list of other questions to follow up with.
Okay.
All right.
Well, in the 90s, I was working actually in the Middle East for about seven years, you know, in the World Bank, you shift around from one region to another.
And for about seven years, I worked in the Middle East, which means all the way from Morocco to Yemen and in between.
And one of the countries in between, which I actually liked very much to work in, was Palestine.
And that meant that we worked on water.
I was sometimes leader of a team on the water project.
We actually did what I thought quite a good water project in Gaza.
Gaza City and beyond and made a study and that's maybe of most importance now for most people who don't know it.
We made a study, a water study of water availability in the whole Palestine Israel area.
Where is the water and who is actually on top of the water and who owns the water?
And lo and behold, I mean, the study took about four weeks.
We were a team of three and went all over the place, couldn't get much information, but had some insiders who helped us.
And lo and behold, I would say about 80%, maybe a little bit less, but let's say 80% of all the water in that area is either on or below the territories of Palestine.
Which was one of the reasons we found out later on that Israel never wanted to honor the Oslo Agreements.
Because the Oslo Agreements, one of the precepts of the Oslo Agreements was that the two countries, at that time were not two countries, but they were supposed to become two countries, would be autonomous and responsible for managing their own resources, their own land.
Which meant, of course, that Palestine was in control of about 80% of all the water in the region.
And that was unacceptable for Israel, which was actually one of the reasons that they never... Not the only reason, but that was one of the key reasons why they never wanted to accept the Oslo Agreement.
Can I...?
Yeah, if I may just finish this point, it could be even better.
We wrote the report about that.
And the report normally goes to any of these reports normally go to the board and when they are ratified, they receive what we call a gray cover and are publicly available.
Now, this report was just ready to go to the board when I got a call from, I think, the USED's office saying that they vetoed the report.
What?
It should not be presented.
Obviously, they represented the point of view of Israel.
So this report became even more popular then because it was the so-called draft version and everybody wanted a copy of it.
Wow.
That was really funny.
So what year did this take place where the report was in its draft version?
Maybe 96, 97.
I couldn't tell you exactly anymore.
But during the Clinton administration.
Yes.
Okay, so bombshell then that this report showed, like you said, that 80% or just below 80% of the water was controlled by areas that you referred to as Palestine.
Now, are you referring to areas of the West Bank as well as Gaza Strip?
Can you be more specific about the geography of what you're referring to?
Right, it was mostly the West Bank.
Because Gaza is really very, very short on water.
Although they do have, if I remember correctly, one or two, particularly one very considerably large aquifer.
But precisely where that aquifer is, the Israelis set up a settlement.
So the aquifer was then also out of control by the Palestinians.
But most of these 80% that I'm talking about was in the West Bank.
Okay, and then of course in the years since, especially since 1967, Israel has sort of meticulously settled and taken over more and more of the West Bank, kind of shrinking the areas that ethnic Palestinians are able to control.
We'll get to that in more detail.
But Peter, give me a moment.
Let me provide some context to our audience about the importance of water in the region.
Because most of our audience is in the United States, which is a very water, for the most part, very water-rich in most areas, and we almost take it for granted.
You know, we have states that are filled with lakes, you know, like Michigan.
It's just endless lakes and rivers and so on.
In the Middle East, it's a very different scene, and water is crucial for national security and also economic growth.
So I just want to point out to our audience that with water, you can support a larger population because every human being consumes a certain amount of water per day.
It is unavoidable just for basic needs, you know, cooking, showering, bathing, toilets, whatever.
In addition, water is used by industries.
So the more water supply you have for a country, the more you can engage in manufacturing.
And that boosts GDP, of course, and exports and so on.
In addition, the more obvious point is water for food resources.
Obviously, you need a tremendous amount of water to grow crops.
And if you don't have food, you can't feed your population.
So is there anything I'm leaving out of that, Peter, that you'd like to add of the value and the strategic importance of water?
No, you exactly said the three main components, drinking water, industrial water and water for food, for agriculture, which is everywhere in the world, actually, the largest proportion.
And what we call developing countries, it is by far the largest proportion because They use more water.
They are not yet as efficient in the water use for agriculture than we do in the West.
And all of that has, of course, very specific reasons.
Which are planned, but we are not going into these.
But you're right, you know, on average it's between 70 and 80% of the water use is for agriculture and then maybe about 10 or 15% or 20% for industry and the rest is for drinking purposes.
I see.
So, do you believe then, big question, I'm sure our audience is asking this too, do you believe that control over water resources is part of the motivation of the Greater Israel Plan of Expansion that is currently involving, of course, a tremendous amount of kinetic conflict?
I think it may be one of the foreground reasons.
But, you know, Israel over the years, especially you mentioned 1967, especially since 1967, the oppression on Palestine grew stronger and stronger, and the settlements grew larger and larger, and the control of the water, which nobody objected.
You know, the West didn't object, and the Palestinians didn't have a voice.
You know, that's nothing happened.
Nobody opposed that.
So they had already the water they needed, not necessarily all of it.
So then more water was needed.
But I think that is not necessarily the big picture reason for Israel going into this war.
I think there are, I had about, I have three points, three main major reasons for that.
And these are mostly neglected and not even mentioned or not put in context actually.
That's what I, that's what my feeling is.
I'd love to hear those three points.
Okay.
I figured anyway, you know, when, uh, lately I've been talking to some people who say, who also claim to be very much informed about what's going on.
They say, well, this ceasefire is, uh, is, uh, is, is, is a win.
It's a big win for Hamas.
And, you know, they have been able to negotiate or to push Israel into accepting a ceasefire.
I don't think at all.
I mean, this is strategic and this has not much to do.
I mean, Hamas, first of all, Hamas, we know that, is a creation of Israel and the United States, actually, just a few days ago.
Very interesting.
I saw a little video clip from Ron Paul in Congress saying that we created Hamas.
I've seen that clip.
Yes, I've seen the same clip.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So the story is clear.
Hamas was created in 1987 for strategic reasons from both points of view for Israel and for the United States.
There is a symbiotic relationship between the US and Israel and has been existing for as long as Israel exists.
So the bigger picture actually has these three points.
One, the first of all that I would like to mention Yes.
The Zionists, when they set up Israel, they saw themselves not only as the chosen people, but they also wanted to have the chosen country.
And the chosen country is a larger Israel.
And there are actually maps of a larger Israel.
You may have seen them too.
They stretch as far east.
And Southeast to cover about half of Saudi Arabia, a big portion of Syria and of course all of Jordan and a big portion of Iraq.
You know, you can imagine what that means.
That means a third to 50% of what we call today the Middle East.
And that contains, say, also, I would say, probably close to 50%, maybe less, maybe 40% of all the hydrocarbons, known hydrocarbons in the world.
I mean, Russia has enormous amounts, which are maybe not totally known.
But of what is known, I think it's easily 30 to 40% of all the hydrocarbons in the world.
That would be under control of Israel, if the larger Israel would actually happen.
That's one of the reasons.
That's the first point.
Maybe that I would like to make, but they're all congruent.
They're all sticking together.
You cannot mention the one without mentioning the other.
The second one is that about 2000, I think 1999, British Gas has discovered huge deposits of gas offshore of Gaza, probably about 20 kilometers or so.
maybe 30 kilometers offshore of Gaza, enormous amounts, a trillion cubic feet of, they say a trillion cubic feet of gas buried under the sea.
Now, of course, if they say a trillion, my estimate and all indications that I have read and known of is that they are much, much more than a trillion.
But it will be, I think, un-diplomatic and un-strategic to talk about that, about the larger quantities already now.
So they would like to get a hold, basically confiscate this trillion and more cubic meter of gas in the Mediterranean, of course.
There's some gas and some oil also in the north of the Gaza area, which belongs to Israel, but not as much, by far not as much.
So this enormous amount of gas would happily be confiscated by Israel and belong to Israel to be distributed and sold to the West.
Because the West is hell-bent to keep sanctioning Russia And without hydrocarbon, despite all the global warming, global climate change stuff, nobody can survive today without hydrocarbon.
That's right.
Hydrocarbons, I've just looked it up again.
I mean, I've studied it before in about 1992, you know, when this first conference on the weather.
On the climate actually, it was sponsored by the UN in Rio.
At that time, of all the energy used in the world, about 87% came from hydrocarbons, transformed into electricity and whatever you want.
Today, you know, despite all these by now 27 conferences on how to reduce CO2 from hydrocarbons, still 85% of all the hydrocarbon, of all the energy comes from hydrocarbons.
These 2% are well within the margin of error.
In other words, nothing has changed.
Everything is blah blah.
And also, whoever controls the hydrocarbons has both strategic control as well as massive wealth generation.
as Saudi Arabia enjoys right now or as Russia enjoys right now.
Even with the sanctions, of course, Russia is very successfully trading oil well above the $60 a barrel price ceiling that was set.
Russia's trading.
Russia's selling oil and gas, even with the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, which I believe was carried out by the West.
So Russia is experiencing extreme wealth right now because of its energy export.
And in a sense, the sanctions and now war in the Middle East will only make hydrocarbons more valuable, which will be more wealth for Russia.
It's a very it's a fascinating feedback loop that's taking place here, which I think in many cases is backfiring on the West.
What are your thoughts?
Yes, I just I just read the other day that Russia has a twenty seven billion dollar equivalent surplus while the U.S. keeps increasing its debt to, I think, about thirty three billion trillion I think, about thirty three billion trillion right now.
So it's a crazy world.
Almost 34 trillion.
But don't forget the unfunded liabilities have now exceeded $211 trillion.
Exactly.
They're about 10 or 11 times larger.
And I look always at those because that's what really counts, the unfunded liabilities.
And about 40 or by now maybe even more than 50% of these unfunded liabilities are interest on debt.
Because the Federal Reserve is a privately owned institution and every dollar they create or let banks create is a debt which has to be paid interest on.
The unfunded liabilities are much more important than the current debt.
Okay, now, your third point.
You've given us two out of three, I believe.
And I'm sorry to interrupt there, but what's your third point?
Okay, the third point is the Ben-Gurion Canal.
You may have heard about that too, of course.
Ben-Gurion Canal was in the planning since the early 70s.
I think the first plans started coming out in 71.
And it is a canal which would, if it succeeds, I'm not sure, I hope not, if it succeeds, it would compete with the Suez Canal.
The Suez Canal has been nationalized by Egypt, an Arab country, even though they have contracts with the West, you know, it's much better if Israel has such a canal, which is totally controlled by the West.
This canal would lead just from, I believe, outside or maybe even within the borders of current Gaza from the Mediterranean through Israel and Palestine to the Red Sea.
It's about three times as long as the current Suez Canal and would then be ideal to ship exactly that kind of the trillions plus cubic feet of gas To the customers out in Asia.
It would be ideal.
So the three go together and paint the big picture, which I think is really the reason why now, on a very crucial date, the 7th of October was, of course, all planned and coordinated with Hamas.
On the 7th of October, I think the 6th of October was the 50th anniversary of the Kipur War, I believe.
So anyway, all these dates are not by coincidence and they happened as a plan and I think we have to see that together.
If Hamas has made a win, a so-called win, by pushing Israel into accepting a ceasefire, which I've understood correctly has just been extended by another two days to further exchange prisoners, then this is just temporary and it is a strategic move from Israel.
But Israel is so well equipped by the West and supported by the West.
There's no way if they want to carry on a war against Hamas, they will carry it on.
So the other thing that has to be mentioned also is that if some people are rooting very heavily for Palestine or for Israel, it's a Tavistock theory or actually system to divide, it's a Tavistock theory or actually system to divide, to conquer.
Instead of doing that, we should all vouch for peace rather than for one side or the other to win.
There's no win to a war.
There's no win to this war.
There's no win to any war, actually.
You mean we can't bomb our way to peace?
Because that's what I'm hearing from the Western media.
If we could just drop enough bombs, we would eventually have peace.
It's insane.
Now, in fact, along those lines, I mean, I have so many questions for you, especially as an economist.
I want to ask you about an energy dynamic.
But first, I want to ask you about the Palestinian people, because I know you spent a considerable amount of time there as part of your research into water and so on, the people of Gaza, the Palestinian people.
According to the Western media, and especially Israeli media, And I disagree with what I'm about to say, but the Western media and Israeli media describe Palestinians as animals.
They describe them as dirty.
Low IQ, unethical, violent, terrorist, and we even hear many Israeli leaders saying that there are no innocent people in Gaza, not even a three-year-old child.
The three-year-old child is apparently incredibly evil and wants to murder innocent Israelis and perhaps a three-year-old Palestinian.
is capable of carrying an RPG.
So I want to know, what was your firsthand experience with the Palestinian people?
Well, of course, yeah, I know what you're saying.
That's exactly what you hear and read.
And I think you, maybe the Western people are stupid enough to believe that.
But this is, this is so, so absolutely unnecessarily crazy.
The Palestinian peoples are, from what I've seen, probably the best educated Arabs.
They are highly educated, many of them pretty much like Israelis, you know, they go to school elsewhere, they have been educated, most of them, not all of them, in the West, some of them in Eastern countries, in Russia, even in in China, but they are highly educated.
And when they come back, they are dedicated to their country.
And, you know, they are very loving people, but they are not at all violent.
As I said at the beginning, when we spoke together, some of them have become very, very good friends.
And unfortunately, over the many years, I've lost contact to them.
But for many years after I stopped working in Gaza and in Palestine, I kept contact with them and kept up what's happening there.
So I would say exactly the contrary.
They are very highly educated people they have.
High IQs, at least as high as many of the Europeans, particularly those of our Western friends or enemies, whatever you call them, Europe and the United States.
So they are very well educated, they have very good manners, they are friendly, and they know what love is instead of war.
They have been oppressed for long enough, That they know that fighting and wars will never lead to anything.
So I think just exactly the contrary.
That will be my testimony that I witnessed as working there, as a friend of them.
Well, thank you for sharing that with us.
I have repeatedly called for peace and repeatedly called to recognize the humanitarian rights of every person, regardless of their ethnicity or country of origin and so on, or skin color or what have you.
And I, as you have probably noticed, since October 7th, we are living in an increasingly radicalized world where calling for peace gets you labeled an anti-Semite.
Exactly.
Because apparently only continued never-ending bombing is acceptable now to the official narrative.
And I find that completely unacceptable and I wholeheartedly reject that.
What about you?
Your thoughts?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's crazy thinking that you bomb a country and you will achieve peace.
It's so nonsensical.
But it has been indoctrinated in the West so much that really many people say, well, if we bomb them enough, we will eventually reach peace.
Yes, that's like George Orwell's 1984.
I think what we have reached by now is even way beyond 1984.
Yes, yeah.
I mean, we're living in a world which is so absurd, so absurd that sometimes you have to shake your head and ask, what are we?
Have we absolutely lost all our minds and spirits and spiritual thinking?
It's totally crazy that we reached that point and nobody objects really seriously against it.
Well, we object.
Well, we are.
I hope, Mike, we eventually will prevail.
I believe we will.
But, you know, you're an expert in water, right?
So, let me just... The equivalent of this in water would be to say, we're going to keep dropping, let's say, hexavalent chromium into this lake until it's clean.
You know, we're just going to keep dumping mercury into this river until the river is clean.
And we're just going to keep bombing until we have peace.
I mean, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
You can't pollute your way to clean water.
Yes, yes.
That's exactly what's happening.
And that's happening on many, many different fronts.
And these different fronts, of course, are not coincidences.
Like the climate change agenda has so many fronts itself.
That we can be tricked into believing something.
I have very good friends who are scientists who believe in this story, even though there are true scientists who say if human beings have contributed anything to it, it is less than 0.3%.
0.3% are absorbed by the sea.
It's actually a perfect balance that Mother Earth has put in place.
You know, most of the climate is anyway about 97%, according to serious scientists, of all the weather patterns and the cycles and the climate cycles that we live on Mother Earth are influenced by solar activity.
Exactly.
And I think there's absolutely no doubt about it.
And within these larger cycles, there are smaller cycles.
And of course, what we are living now, because they have to make believe the people that we are living in a climate change world.
So what they are doing is geoengineering the weather.
And this is just extraordinary what is happening.
I've just recently seen a very brief video where an MIT expert talks about how that is done.
Yes.
And about a year ago, I attended a conference in Switzerland, which was addressing several controversial topics.
One of them was climate change.
The professor who spoke to us, he was a professor from the famous Technical University ETH in Zurich.
He was a physicist who concentrated on geoengineering.
So what he started his speech with, he said, I think I don't have to tell any one of you that our climate is manipulated, but I will try to explain to you how it's done.
And then he went on with a series of patents.
Actually, all these chemicals that are put in the air are patented.
And now with the HAARP system, this works with electromagnetic shocks, apparently.
Shocks so strong that you can create earthquakes.
And from what I know, and many people would agree with that, some of these earthquakes, like the Turkey one, the Turkey-Syria one, or the more recent one in Morocco, and the 2010 one in Haiti were artificially created, and probably many in between.
Maybe also Afghanistan.
And so this can be done.
This keeps the people busy and running and, you know, snowfall and hail in the Arabian desert is absolutely crazy from one day to another.
From 100 degrees Fahrenheit to below zero and with hailstorms.
That's nonsense.
That's absolute nonsense.
So this is manufactured artificially and made believe that we are living in a climate change that we have to be punished for it.
So that's where we're going.
I'm glad you're speaking about this.
Our audience is well informed on this topic.
In fact, I want to ask you a question involving climate and energy and economics.
But this gets us back to the Middle East, which is a resource grab, is one layer of what's going on, control over hydrocarbons and also control over the export routes, the shipping routes for moving hydrocarbons, you know, LNG, for example.
But here's the question.
What we see in the West, because of the climate change agenda, for the last easily 10 to 20 years, we've seen Western countries, Western Europe, the United States, Canada and so on, dismantle their own energy infrastructure for discovery, extraction and transportation of energy.
And then even the destruction of the Nord Stream Pipeline, by the way, which is crippling Germany's economy, as you are well aware, But, at the same time that Western countries are shutting down their own domestic energy infrastructure, and even the construction of wind and solar is only a minor, minor part of compensating for that, it's very, as you know, it's very tiny, and solar doesn't work when the sun isn't out, and it turns out, that's about half the time overall, seasonally adjusted, right?
But, depending on where you are on the planet... Plus solar panel has to be set, also, and windmills, Yes.
Well, exactly.
Thank you for making that point.
against the environment than they do for the environment.
You know, they are environmentally very, very unfriendly.
Yes.
Well, exactly.
Thank you for making that point.
But to wrap up my question, then Germany was buying energy from Russia before the Russia-Ukraine situation.
In fact, much of Western Europe was effectively using gas from the Nord Stream pipelines, from Gazprom.
The United States...
has become more and more dependent on energy from the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, which Saudis have more and more turned against the United States in terms of geopolitical recognition, and the Saudis may be looking to join, well, they are joining the BRICS plus nations.
And so as an economist, Peter, what do you see, like, Like what would cause these Western European nations to want to pursue a path of energy suicide domestically, but energy dependence externally that requires war?
You know, it requires the projection of power through the U.S. Navy or geopolitical coercion to other nations in order to extract their resources.
What are your thoughts on this dynamic?
Because it sounds crazy to me.
Yes, it is crazy.
And it's a good question, which I also ask myself.
But then when I realized there is actually there are videos available when Schultz is together with Biden in just shortly before the pipeline, the Nord Stream pipeline was blown up, when Biden said, well, we have ways.
He answered the question, I think, to a journalist.
We have ways to make sure that Russia is sanctioned and that the Russian gas is no longer sold to Europe.
Yes.
And Schultz, you know, I've let it run through that video very often, quite often, and you see him smile and looking at Biden and nodding.
In other words, he was prepared, he was agreeing with it.
He was agreeing with the blowing it up.
Yes.
And that's suicide.
Yes, it is suicide.
He is committing German suicide.
And that's on purpose because Germany is the leader of Europe and that would lead Europe in committing suicide, the whole European Union.
It's directed towards that.
And what does it mean now?
Now we're connecting more dots.
You know, all of this, what we have been talking about fits perfectly into the agenda 2030 that started on the 1st of January 2020.
And it fits into the World Economic Forum's Great Reset because they are basically identical.
These two agendas.
You may know that that Klaus Schwab and and Guterres in 2019 have made a cooperation agreement together so that they would work constantly together and do only things that they would agree on both.
This is totally illegal, unethical.
And this, of course, has nothing to do with the United Nations lining up with an NGO, because that's what the WEF is.
It is registered in Geneva and the suburb of Geneva has an NGO, not more than that.
So we're looking at an absolutely crazy world that the world doesn't really realize, and that all of what is going on fits into this agenda.
Because if you have Europe that is breaking down economically, and done by their leaders actually on purpose, because all of the European leaders are scholars of Klaus Schwab's School for Young Global Leaders, you might have heard of that too.
And he was actually very, on several occasions I've heard him say how proud he is, how proud we are of being able to infiltrate our young global leaders into governments of the world.
So in other words, In order to reduce the world population, which is one of the precepts of the global reset, plus the UN Agenda 2030, not expressed exactly in those same words, you have to starve, you have to break the economy, you have to starve.
that the people in one way or another and that is very very well done on with an economic breakdown of Europe which I don't think will happen actually because from what I understand there are quite a few big business people in Germany and probably in France and even in Italy Who have made their separate contracts with Russia.
Because Russia, what Putin always said, is, you know, you do whatever you want, it doesn't affect me.
If you would like to become a new partner, I'm always ready to supply you with energy.
And the top of the hypocrisy of all of this is, and I just recently reconfirmed this because I hardly could believe it,
Since 2014, which was of course the year when the West organized the Maidan coup in Ukraine, since that year, that was the year of the largest imports of European Union from Russia.
Since then, last year, Which means 2022, this year's statistics are not out yet.
2022 is the second largest years of imports, including gas and oil from Russia for the European Union.
Nobody says that.
And so that it's less visible, the gas is shipped either through Turkey, or very much through India into Europe.
So actually to somehow erase the origin, but of course you can't erase it because statistics don't lie, they have the origins.
That is actually a figure you can find that on the internet. - Well, right. - I was surprised that it was not censored out yet.
But what the West accomplished in that, what the United States accomplished was making energy more expensive in Europe, thereby making US LNG exports more price competitive to European buyers.
I think, I mean, what a hustle!
You know, we blow up civilian infrastructure.
When I say we, I mean the U.S.
Navy.
We blow up civilian infrastructure, which is an act of war against our own NATO allies, including Germany.
It's an act of war against Germany.
And then force them to buy energy at higher prices, making the German production economy less competitive against American producers.
So, I mean, it's a racket, and it's a destructive racket where so many people are harmed as a result.
German citizens are harmed.
French citizens are harmed.
I mean, this idea, this is consistent with what Israel is doing in Gaza.
It's like, let's bomb our way to prosperity.
We're living in a world of crazy people.
The question, of course, is, of course, von der Leyen, she knows that, and the European Commission knows that, and some of the European Parliament knows it, but the European Parliament has basically no say in all decisions that are taken by the European Commission.
And by by fundamentally basically she is she is on the board of the World Economic Forum, just just so that this is this is known instructions directly from the web and who is behind the web.
Is of course this this huge dark financial complex among others, but mostly the financial, the BlackRock system.
BlackRock, for example, is the largest donor.
They don't call them donor.
They call them partners.
The largest, by far the largest donor of the World Economic Forum.
So you can imagine who caused the shots.
So the World Economic Forum, in my opinion, or it's just logical, is just one of the executing agencies of those dark forces behind it.
which I call the Financial Military IT Media Pharma Complex.
Oh, wow.
Can you say that again?
Financial Military IT Media Pharma Complex.
Yeah.
complex.
Wow.
Yes.
Five of those who run the world.
You've nailed it.
And I think the leader of those are the financial.
That's why I put them at the front.
Wow.
Yeah, you've really nailed it.
And the motivations of this conglomerate, of the complex, the motivations are antithetical to human prosperity, freedom, compassion, abundance, all these things.
I mean, they're working in opposition to the greater good.
It's clear.
That's absolutely clear.
It's absolutely clear.
The question is, why does Europe participate in it?
You know, these leaders, they have been bought.
They have been either threatened or bought into doing what they have been told to do.
And there's some, maybe, who were offered positions they have refused when they knew that they had to follow a certain line that was dictated from outside.
But many of them, you know, this is, I don't know whether you know Daniel Estulin's Tavistock book.
He describes very well what Tavistock is.
Tavistock is this institution in the UK that manipulates minds.
It exists since, I think, at least the 40s and has developed a science in Mind manipulation and in social manipulation, social engineering, they call it, with all sorts of lies and how you actually trick people in believing something which is not.
And this is going on and has reached a sophistication that has not existed even 30 years ago.
Yes, yes.
Gas lighting is one of the terms.
But right, the Tavistock Institute, I think our audience is quite familiar with that concept, but thank you for bringing it up.
We are living under massive psychological operations, which interestingly, the psyops are funded by currency printing by the central banks.
So we have this tie-in between artificial currency creation, the devaluation of the dollar, food inflation driving many people to more and more desperate measures, while the psyops that are weaponized against the minds of the people are funded by the money printing that is, in effect, the looting of while the psyops that are weaponized against the minds of the people are funded by the money printing that is, in So, I mean, it's like a vortex of hell.
I mean, everything is against us.
They steal our money, they steal truth, they steal resources, they steal our future.
All of it.
Yes, absolutely.
You just said the illusion of free money printing.
How did it get to that free money printing?
It's also very clever.
You know, when in 1944, the creation of the World Bank and the IMF actually decided on the creation of the World Bank and the IMF actually decided on the
The gold standard was set up in a way that the value of gold was not denominated by a basket of currencies.
Let's say The basket would have contained the dollars, but also maybe the predominant currencies of Europe at that time.
No, it was denominated only in dollars.
So the $35 per ounce was actually, when it was abandoned by Nixon in 71, It had nothing to do with the U.S.
paying debt.
They never pay debt anyway.
It had to do with what was planned already that de facto the U.S.
dollar became the gold standard.
So everybody in the world who had gold as their reserves needed now dollars as their reserves.
Which basically gave the Federal Reserve, or the private banks at the time already, free reign to print as many dollars as they can, because the world needed dollars for their reserves.
And then the second point, almost at the same time, is when Father Nixon, I think, negotiated Saudi Arabia, still the head of OPEC as they are now, that all the hydrocarbons should be sold and traded in only dollars at the time.
And they agreed, you know, as a countermeasure, he promised them protection and military bases throughout Saudi Arabia, which he did, and then attacked the Middle East from them.
But that's the second point.
But the thing is, with the whole world needing energy, as we talked before, 85% of all the energy is hydrocarbons.
So everybody needed dollars again to buy these hydrocarbons.
In other words, again, the US had, very clever, had a free reign to print dollars as much as they wanted.
Now, what that amounts to is that the dollar is, of course, not based on anything.
It's based on thin air, not even.
Yes.
If you look at the situation today of all what we would call basically convertible currency, they used to be called convertible currency.
Now it's just the hard currencies which is basically the dollar and the euro and the yen and so on.
So you have maybe a handful or more of these currencies and the yuan of course.
The Yuan represents China, and China is, depending on how you look at it, the second largest economy.
If you look at the purchasing parity of the Yuan, it's the largest economy in the world.
Now, if you compare the two currencies floating around the world, you have about almost 60% of all of these currencies that are circulating in the world are U.S. dollars.
And only less than 5% of them are consisting of the yuan, which is backed by a very strong economy and by gold.
So, you know, already this comparison makes you ask, you know, where are we going?
Why do more economists see that?
Well, the Chinese, with whom I have fortunately a very close relationship, they see that.
And they are trying to de-dollarize their economy and the economy of all those other countries that are constantly exposed to sanctions by the U.S. and by extension by the Europe.
I'm Peter, I'm sorry to interrupt.
We're really out of time, but I would like to invite you back just to talk about de-dollarization because I think that's where you were going and that's a really critical concept and in my assessment, I think that China and Russia and the BRICS nations are succeeding.
I mean we're already, and India, we're seeing transactions in rupees or yuan or rubles that previously it would have been carried out in dollars in the past and now that's being abandoned.
We're seeing the Saudis sell oil in non-dollar denominated currencies.
So, de-dollarization is accelerating.
Right, yes.
And I think just maybe a last sentence, if you allow me.
Yes.
When maybe only 20 years ago or less, almost 100% of all the international trade, no matter between what countries, the contracts were set up in US dollars.
Today, that has shrunk to about 65%, about two thirds, maybe 70%.
So we're shrinking constantly as these countries are setting up swap accounts with each other so that they can avoid the U.S.
dollar and central, the U.S.
banks to deal with.
So this is just one tool they have already started using for de-dollarization.
But yes, that's a very, very interesting topic which I have worked a lot in the past several years on too.
This has been a fascinating discussion with you, Peter, and I really want to invite you back and talk more because I've never spoken with someone like you who has worked 30 years with the World Bank and yet you have so much knowledge about what's really happening in the world and the dynamics that The masses are completely unaware of, but these dynamics will shape our lives in profound ways.
And if we don't see this coming, we're going to be really harmed economically and otherwise.
Let me mention your book.
It's called Implosion, an economic thriller about war, environmental destruction, and corporate greed.
I'm showing that on Amazon right now.
There it is, Implosion.
And that's, yeah, that's from 2008.
Is there any other way, Peter, that people can follow you or find your interviews or content?
Okay, well, the other way, I don't have a website because I thought I wouldn't really need a website because most of my articles are published by Global Research.
Okay.
By Misha Chossudovsky.
He is a good friend and And most of it, if you go look, look for my name on the website and you find the whole list of articles that I have written in the last, I don't know, five, six, seven years.
Okay, yes, we interviewed him a few months ago as well, and that was a fascinating conversation.
And as this has been, I mean, I love talking to informed, intelligent, compassionate people who are genuinely interested in helping the world be a better place and who understand the evil that is out there and why we have to call it out.
So thank you so much for sharing your time with us today, Peter.
Thank you very much, Mike, for having me.
It was great.
Thank you.
I look forward to having you back.
Thank you so much.
Have a great rest of your day.
Thank you.
You too.
Absolutely.
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