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The Raw Deal (20 November 2023) with Nick Kollerstrom

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	He has an absolutely Fabulous collection exposing 13 false flag attacks in the UK and in Europe.
	He also has a book on the life and death of Paul McCartney that I regard as simply excellent.
	He has a shattering book about breaking the spell regarding the Holocaust, and in my opinion is the definitive book on what really happened in World War II.
	And if you haven't checked it out, You're amiss, because you've got to understand, this has been the source of Israeli-Zionist Jewish power, a Western sense of guilt over the Holocaust.
	But the damn thing was all fabrication.
	It was all made up.
	There weren't any gas chambers.
	Nobody died from being put to death in a gas chamber.
	The International Committee of the Red Cross was keeping copious records on the age, the sex, The ethnicity, the religion, and the cause of death of all the inmates in all the camps.
	Right, yeah, right.
	And they discovered in 1993 they did a recalibration and found a total of 296,081 that died from all causes together, none of whom died from being put to death in a gas chamber.
	And Nick, you had the benefit of the British death books.
	Why don't you tell our audience just a word or two about that?
	Because, I mean, the British had cracked the code, the German code, and they had copies of all these meticulous records.
	The Germans were so methodical.
	Nick, pick it up.
	All right.
	Well, it's a bit of a surprise, Jim.
	It's good to be back here again, and thanks for the wonderful appreciation of my humble endeavours.
	The death books, I just went to the British Library and got these, which Gorbachev released in the 1990s.
	It was all in Polish, of course, but there was a chapter in English with the statistics, and we and a friend copied them all out and They produced some nice graphs and they showed very clearly, as you say, all the causes of death.
	Something around about 70,000 died in Auschwitz altogether.
	Those are the most immediate possible record which the Soviets got, the Russians got, after they liberated Auschwitz.
	Then coming on to what was found, I went to what's called the National Archives in Kew, that's to the west of London.
	And they had these decrypts, which the British had been eavesdropping on the German labour camps for 13 months, and they used this top Bletchley Park Enigma code to decrypt the German codes.
	And we all hear about how they managed to find out where the German submarines were, but surely much more interesting is that they were overhearing for 13 months the day-to-day radio chatter from the German labour camps.
	And these were released in the mid-90s and I just copied them out.
	I found them quite awesome.
	Thrilling to read this top secret.
	After a 50-year moratorium they were released and there they were.
	No one else had dared to publish them because they showed no trace of any holohoax and Jews being treated in a perfectly respectful manner.
	They were going to where they were going and then they were leaving, being sent somewhere else.
	It also had really good monthly totals, the total number of people coming and going from each camp, which you could integrate very well with other statistics.
	My book contained this amazing scoop.
	I didn't quite realise at the time what a scoop it was, of having these radio decrypts from the German labour camps, showing Auschwitz, for example, all the different types of industry going on there, different types of hard work, because it was a hard-working labour camp, and how the inmates, it's a very multicultural place, different, you know, Poles, Russians, Germans, Jews, had to get on together and knock about, get on together, and I found it very fascinating.
	So my book, obviously that was deeply shocking.
	My book had to be banned and my publisher has been destroyed, more or less completely destroyed, and you can only get the book, Breaking the Spell, now as a PDF.
	You can get it downloaded as a PDF.
	I hope it'll be possible to reprint it again in the not-too-distant future, but you know, things being what they are, nobody will touch it at the moment.
	And the other thing you mentioned, It's fascinating, Nick, how people are afraid of the truth, or really, actually, it's the Zionists who are suppressing it, because it's going to destroy the myth that has been the source of their political power and influence, even in the founding of Israel.
	Yeah, and I'll just mention what you refer to.
	Arolsen Archive, so-called.
	For half a century, it's been the Red Cross census place in the north of Germany.
	They've got all, you know, Holocaust survivor records.
	They all went there.
	And in the late 1980s, the last century, they released total numbers of inmates, of deaths, from each camp.
	And there's three different occasions on which they release those totals.
	And as you said, about 290,000 in total.
	And you then have to decide what proportion of those you think were Jews.
	And, you know, that is the most reliable total figure of deaths in the German labour camps.
	And I don't see anything very mysterious about it.
	It totally well agrees with what we get from other sources.
	So I think my book has got some very sound arithmetic in it about how many people died in the German labour camps.
	And the photographs you have.
	For example, I liked it so much.
	I put it on the back cover of my book and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either.
	A British soccer team at Auschwitz.
	What, you didn't know there was a British soccer team at Auschwitz?
	Or the photographs of the little kids who were born in the camp's hundreds, maybe even a thousand children?
	Last time I checked, Nick, that took about nine months of gestation, and you got these hundreds of little kids?
	So how does that work?
	It's how we'll empty people out of boxcars, stripping them naked, putting them into gas chambers, Killing them outright.
	I mean, the whole thing is absurd.
	In Auschwitz, the floor plan, they not only have a hospital with OBGYN, they even have a woodworking shop at Symphony Hall.
	Then get this, a brothel.
	Brothel, yeah, right.
	And they had some sort of rudimentary currency.
	I think you had to sign up to pay for the brothel, you know, or maybe it was rewarded.
	I think Himmler It was some sort of reward, I think, that brothel for stuff you'd done.
	I can't quite remember.
	But I'll tell you, the thing that boggled people's minds more than any of the things you mentioned was the swimming pool.
	And people associated it with me.
	I was ridiculed for claiming there was a swimming pool in Auschwitz.
	It was something I'd somehow dreamed up, you know.
	It's shown right on the map.
	On the map of Auschwitz, there's a swimming pool.
	I've seen photographs of the swimming pool.
	Well, why would anyone have any doubt, Nick?
	Why would that be startling?
	Well, I assure you they did.
	And it was used to ridicule me quite a lot, showing how deranged I was, claiming there was a swimming pool at Auschwitz.
	Of all the persons I've known who might be deranged, you are about as exceptional as any in not falling in that category, my friend.
	And I've known a lot of people with a lot of unusual ideas.
	Your research, Nick, again and again, has proven to be completely sound.
	They can't create an encyclopedia of astronomers and have you author the piece on Sir Isaac Newton, the greatest figure in the history of astronomy and physics.
	Without recognizing your authoritative stance as a historian of science, Nick, for which I commend you.
	You have done such good work.
	Well, okay.
	Thanks, Jim.
	But my career as a science historian more is terminated once I come out with the stuff we've just been talking about.
	And it's as if anything I did in the history of science has just vanished in the previous life.
	Nobody wants to know about it.
	- Like mine on Sandy Hook, I've lost all kinds of friends and associates, colleagues, even family members who are befuddled.
	They think that I've lost my way when I have the FEMA manual.
	We have it on the record for the Connecticut FEMA, They even sent out a map how to get down there for the drill, their exercise.
	We have photographs from inside the school in the Connecticut State Police showing in a hallway where there's supposed to be two bodies and pools of blood.
	No bodies, no pools of blood.
	Inside a classroom where there's supposed to be all kinds of kid bodies.
	Knowing no bodies, no blood, but no desks, chairs, no teacher desk.
	Furniture pushed up against a wall, proving not only that there was no mass murder, that the school wasn't even open, Nick.
	Right.
	Well, you're absolutely correct.
	But it was just a drill and nobody died.
	I think you've shown that beyond any reasonable doubt.
	I think it's a great shame that Alex Jones backed out on that one.
	He should have just quoted you and stuck to his guns.
	I tried repeatedly to intervene on his behalf, Nick, but he wouldn't have it.
	No, no.
	Even said during a video interview with Deposition Connect, he never read Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	How can a prominent guy like that take a stand without reading the only objective scientific study ever done on the event?
	It's terribly important for every informed, well-educated person in today's world to understand the difference between the state-fabricated events where people do really die and those where they don't.
	And as we've done with axes and dummies and fake identities, which is very much, as you discovered, what happened with Sandy Hook.
	Yes, yes, yes!
	As I explained in my answer to the complaint, Nick, I did not believe there was a real Leonard Posner, that he's a legal fiction, that his real name is Reuben Vabner, and that I was being sued over a death certificate for his purported son, Noah, where I proved that Noah, in terms of photographs, was also a fiction made out of photographs of Michael Vabner, Reuben Vabner's older son, when he was a child.
	We have that in spades, Nick.
	The Court of Wisconsin just set that all aside, not to mention two forensic document experts' substantiation of my position.
	It's outrageous, Nick.
	Yeah, well, the alleged killer lad, nightmare sort of character, Lanza, he was a mock-up character.
	He didn't really exist, did he?
	Yes.
	I think the mother had some sort of real identity, though, although she may not have lived where it was claimed.
	So, people do need to look to see what is fictional here.
	And especially subtle, in the whole Sandy Hook story, is where the kids did exist, but they were quite a bit older than it was claimed, weren't they?
	Well, Nick, Nick, Nick, virtually all the families were fabricated.
	They were fabricated in the sense that none of the kids died.
	Right, but nobody died, Sandy Hook.
	And would you believe the judges set aside all my evidence that it wasn't relevant to the authenticity of a death certificate for somebody who claimed to die.
	So how does this work logically, Nick?
	I'm claiming nobody died at Sandy Hook and I have a mountain of proof, but he won't let me introduce them on the ground.
	It's irrelevant to the accuracy or truthfulness of the death certificate for someone who allegedly died at Sandy Hook.
	It says right on the death certificate.
	Yeah, OK.
	But those kids whose photos were shown, they were kind of rewarded, were they not, by turning up sometime later at the Beyonce concert You're talking about the Super Bowl.
	And they were some years later.
	That's why they couldn't be immediately identified as being the same kids.
	They were actually quite a bit older.
	Have I got that right?
	Yes.
	Well, I mean, look, Some parents even used photographs of themselves when they were children to be their dead kid.
	Others did use photographs of other kids, but the whole thing was every one of them was a fabrication.
	You're absolutely right.
	Every one of them was a fabrication.
	Yeah.
	So America needs to look at how come enormous amounts of money poured into that Newton, Newtown, and to create this, a drill that just, it didn't exactly go live, but it just required a bit too much reality and hit the headlines.
	You and I haven't discussed it, but it's now been not quite a year, I think.
	I was in contact with two of the participants in the drill.
	One, Margaret Alice Coggle, who was cast as Emily Parker, and Victoria Aurelio, who was cast as Vicky Soto, the dead teacher, I was in contact with them.
	They explained to me, actually, it wasn't even an elementary school, it was a special needs school, and that it had actually closed in 2006, and they made the point that Have you ever heard of an elementary school without a playground?
	That school has no playground, Nick.
	I mean, it's just absurd!
	And that Eric Holder came down in 2006 and offered the community $140 million if they would do this drill.
	They even had auditions for the drill, Nick.
	They signed non-disclosure agreements.
	And what was the motive?
	What was the motive for it all?
	Was it to do with gun control?
	That's what people were saying.
	Take guns off people.
	Yeah, gun control.
	Something to...
	It backfired totally, didn't it?
	It promoted gun sales, actually.
	Right.
	That's right.
	Right.
	More and more gun sales.
	Nick, we could talk about this at length.
	Actually, we already have.
	Let me bring us up to date with some developments in terms of what's going on in Israel and with Hamas.
	Iran tells Hamas it will not enter the war.
	The Supreme Leader has explained.
	Hezbollah says it had no idea that a Hamas attack was going to take place.
	They have, however, been destroying buildings.
	Here's one.
	a Moss government building in Gaza.
	They're being very affected in destroying the buildings, Nick.
	It's really something.
	Meanwhile, the Russian ambassador to Israel has declared that the Middle East conflict, the prospect of expanding is very high, that it's very important that not happen.
	Nick, just your thoughts about those couple of developments.
	Well, the U.S. has got an enormously powerful fleet around the Red Sea and the East Mediterranean, as it were, a nuclear-armed submarine and four of the largest aircraft carriers, all as if they're a nuclear-armed submarine and four of the largest aircraft carriers, all as if they're attending war,
	And normally, if that immense amount of firepower is assembled, you can't easily take it home again without using it.
	That is the nightmare that the world is now in.
	Biden hasn't really got a policy except kind of starting wars and threatening wars and I think that's what's happening now.
	America doesn't really have a coherent aim what it wants to do here.
	It generally backs Israel for its unlimited expansion and you exterminate the... Israel clearly has The people aren't supporting Israel, but the government is all in.
	It's outrageous, Nick.
	Let me add a few more developments here as we continue our conversation.
	The shift in focus from Ukraine to the Middle East raises a prospect of a world war.
	Paul Craig Roberts astutely observes.
	Turkey's president has said to Israel, your end is nigh.
	Your nuclear bombs don't matter.
	Here he is.
	Yeah, right.
	I think it's great that he's come out and supporting the Palestinians.
	I think it's wonderful that he's done that.
	I couldn't agree more.
	Here's what he's saying in Turkish, so I'll give the English.
	Hey Israel, you have an atomic bomb, a nuclear bomb, and you're making threats with this.
	We know this.
	Here he is.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	- - Yeah. - Yeah. - He says, "And your end is near." - Awesome, awesome stuff.
	- If you have a nuclear bomb, you want whatever you want, but you're on your way out. - Yeah, I mean, just consider why you have to say that.
	Think how many Islamic nations have been bombed by America this century, okay?
	Now, the sense of rage amongst Muslims in Turkey is such that Erdogan has to take a position like this.
	That if America is going to start attacking Iran, Turkey will have to, I think it will have to respond.
	I think there'll be too much fury amongst the population if they don't.
	I've been to Iran.
	I was in Iran in 2014 for an international conference.
	Iran is the greatest peace-loving nation in the world.
	Iran has not fought a war of aggression against any other state since 1775, Nick!
	I do agree, yeah.
	I'm very jealous of you having been to Iran recently.
	I would love to go, but it's almost impossible for an English person now, for obvious reasons.
	But as you say, they are a peace-loving nation that has a reputation of not ever starting wars.
	But they're under immense pressure now.
	Israel... Well, Jim, let's just go over, in case any listeners don't remember this, what Gaza actually is, okay?
	The Israelis have had an official policy, normal policy, of wiping out Palestinian villages so that the people are exterminated, they arrive, they blow up the homes, The men and children and sons are killed.
	The women and children are then captured and taken off to Gaza.
	So the end result of wiping out village after village after village is that you get a lot of very young people, just women and children, in this open-air prison camp Gaza.
	And then after that they've enjoyed dropping Phosphorus munitions on Gaza were totally prohibited and they've been doing that again recently.
	So it's a small area by the coastline and they're now going for a complete evacuation of that area, trying to either exterminate the People in Gaza are all driving to Egypt and they've already given out contracts for the oil and gas found there.
	Israel is already selling contracts for that.
	So this is an official... How can that be legal?
	It doesn't belong to Israel, it belongs to Gaza, the Palestinians.
	How can they be giving out these leases?
	It appears to me that it's totally fraudulent.
	Totally fraudulent, yeah.
	It's next to annihilate Gaza.
	He's going to annex so they can have all that gas and oil and build a mangrove canal.
	Well Israel is just confident they can get away with it.
	They think their God is on their side.
	The Old Testament keeps telling them to wipe out your neighbours, unbelievers and You know, destroy neighbouring tribes, subjugate them, and that's what they're doing now.
	And it's the most evident, obvious genocide in our lifetime, I would say, what's happening now to the Palestinian people.
	And let's just bear in mind... And we can watch it on television!
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let's bear in mind these are Semites, the people being wiped out, so this is an anti-Semitic operation, and the people in Israel who come from Europe, European Ashkenazi Kazars, are not Semitic at all.
	So this is an anti-Semitic operation.
	Let's not misuse language in this respect.
	You're so right, Dick.
	I love it.
	Let me add a few more.
	So, of course, Israel accuses Turkey of supporting terrorism when Israel is a terrorist state.
	Erdogan argued Israel had been continuously committing war crimes for the last 40 days, deliberately targeting hospital streets and mosques, schools, He's carrying out the most heinous attack against women and children in all of history and threatening people with nuclear arms.
	I think the argument is very one-sided.
	We're also getting more and more reports that the Israelis ran up the tally on October 7th that an Israeli helicopter shot up the cars.
	Yeah, right.
	Totally, yeah.
	More and more is coming out about how...
	They use Apache attack helicopters.
	We provided them to slaughter many so they could run up the number.
	Here's nice.
	Get this.
	Israel's style of public relation when they're accused of a war crime.
	They say, first, we haven't heard reports of this, but we'll check into it.
	When they're exposed, they say, oh, people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket or bomb.
	Oh, when that's exposed, okay, we killed them, but they were terrorists.
	When that's confirmed, they say, okay, but they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields.
	When that's exposed, OK, there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake.
	But we kill civilians by accident.
	They do it on purpose.
	When that's exposed, they say, OK, we kill far more civilians than they do on purpose.
	But look how terrible other countries are.
	And when that's exposed, why are you still talking about Israel?
	Are you some kind of anti-Semite, Nick?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, within America, you need to focus on these 50 million Christians, which we hear about, have read the Gideon's Bible that advises them to support Israel.
	They must further support Israel.
	The Schoenfeld Bible.
	Oh right, yeah.
	The most fervent support from Israel comes from these people.
	And they need to appreciate that what Israel is doing is not God's work.
	Supporting Israel will not make any God return.
	Maybe rather the contrary.
	And this is a terror state.
	Israel is a terror state.
	It has no nationally recognised legitimate borders.
	The borders that were given by the United Nations in 1948 were completely unreal and impossible.
	They were just kind of traced around the outside of Palestine, leaving the whole of the middle part to the Palestinians.
	Let me squeeze this in.
	There was a huge... Thousands of people from Jewish organizations across the country and their supporters.
	They are right now gathering in DC at the National Mall.
	As Gabriela Primus explains, this is the largest pro-Israel rally in the nation's history.
	Thousands of people are statistic.
	A pro-Israel was paying student 250 a box apiece and 10 to rally.
	I mean, how absurd is this?
	Israel Campus Coalition gave micro-grants for people to attend yesterday's March for Israel.
	How absurd is this?
	I urge all the 50 million Christians who are amongst those you just alluding to are firmly supporting Israel to get the Shlomo San book, the invention of the Jewish people, which clearly shows that the descendants of Judea from Bible times are the Palestinians, okay?
	That's the nearest we've got in the world today.
	Nick, we've hit a break.
	We'll return with Nick Kohlerstrom, one of my favourite guys in the whole wide world.
	Okay Jim, yeah.
	So what happens now?
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	Nick, I just want to make a couple points before we turn to your new book on Shakespeare, which I think everyone will find a relief from the mass killing, the slaughter, the mayhem taking place in both Ukraine and in Israel today.
	Here we have the new Speaker of the House of Representatives.
	Calls for a ceasefire are outrageous.
	This is at that rally in Washington, D.C., where they were paid to attend, prompting the crowd to chant, No ceasefire!
	No ceasefire!
	How outrageous is that?
	Meanwhile, public support for Israel has plummeted to just 32%, where the majority back a ceasefire.
	Unbelievable!
	Public support is eroding.
	Most Americans think Israel should call a ceasefire to a conflict that ballooned into a humanitarian crisis.
	Some 32% on a two-day opinion poll said the U.S.
	should support Israel when asked the role taken in the fighting, down from 41% who said they should back Israel in a poll on October 12 and 13.
	The share saying the U.S.
	should be a neutral mediator rose to 39% from 27%.
	4% said the U.S.
	should support Palestinians.
	Everyone should support Palestinians.
	I mean, this is absurd.
	50% said they shouldn't be.
	Here, really, I wanted to share, finally, Nick, you know, just to show how worldwide... Yeah, I was on that march.
	I was on it, yeah.
	Anyway, here is some pro-Hamas protests in London, because this is the big Saturday thing they're doing in London now.
	Yeah, I was there.
	- Yeah, I was on it, yeah. - All right, you get it.
	It's a lot of river to the sea, it's end the 75-year occupation, which is ironic because they're in London, and of course if we were to end the 75-year occupation, we would have to bring back the British Empire.
	I don't know that any of them want that.
	I don't know that the average Brit wants it, much less the terrorist sympathizers that are out there doing that.
	But how long can a society Hold something like this.
	Like, I can show you there were plenty of calls for, uh, they were talking about how the Nazis should finish the job.
	Like, trust me, we went through 50 videos of, like, the actual firing of fireworks at police officers and all that stuff.
	But you guys get it.
	The reason I wanted to show you that one is how long can a society hold this position?
	On every weekend, let's say, or twice.
	Why do I listen to this stuff?
	I mean, I'm shocked that America's want an idiotic commentator like that.
	I mean, I mean, we are demonstrating for a ceasefire and to stop bombing children in Palestine.
	What's this smart-ass guy scoffing at it and saying we're sympathizing with terrorists?
	I mean, this is just Jewish propaganda.
	Disgraceful Jewish propaganda.
	Yeah.
	No, I know, Nick.
	I know.
	I'm not a fan of this guy.
	Twice a week.
	Let me.
	Anyway, here is.
	Oh, what happened was I got a call that threw me off, Nick.
	Let me get us back.
	Keep talking, my friend.
	Keep talking.
	Well, yeah, those are the biggest demonstrations, political demonstrations, since the anti-Iraq war protest.
	And it's happening each Saturday now in the UK.
	And we get scoffed at.
	The government says we're a hate demonstration, a hate march.
	And I'm shocked that only 4% of Americans support the Palestinian cause.
	Why don't they?
	Anyway, I suppose they're misinformed.
	I think the crux of the matter in this 7th of October event is, as you said, a large proportion of the killings in Israel were done by the IDF, the Israeli army.
	The reports we heard of people who were captured by Hamas said they treated them rather well.
	They just wanted hostages and they were not randomly shooting people.
	A whole lot of the huge destruction reported on the 7th of October is, as you indicated, clearly done by very powerful weapons, not the Little rifles that the Hamas possessed.
	So it's a fictional account that is given to the world.
	I think it's terribly important to anything to do with Israel.
	Bear in mind their motto, the motto of Mossad, by way of deception shall you win war.
	Yes, wage war.
	And I think American media are deeply deceived by dual citizenship.
	Look, I have a panel of 100 execs from CNN, all of whom are dual U.S.-Israeli citizens.
	I've got a panel of 100 execs from NBC, all of whom are dual U.S.-Israeli citizens.
	I've got another panel from the New York Times.
	100 execs, all of whom are dual US-Israeli citizens, and Rothschild own the AP and Reuters.
	So virtually all the news America gets, it's not local.
	It's built into a Zionist land.
	Yeah, this is the main problem in the world now, why America, as it were, always fights on the wrong side of every war.
	I include my country, Britain also, fights on the wrong side of every war to crush national independence and to promote international Rothschild Zionism and banking.
	And citizens need to rise up and do what they can to object to this and not pay taxes to a central government that does this.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Well, Nick, as we know, Our idea here is to introduce or talk about your new book, and I'm very, very pleased that you are here to do it.
	I do have the slides set up for us to proceed.
	Well, it's not easy to switch over.
	Let me say, I think it's very courageous of Erdogan to speak up, as he has done.
	Anyway, our idea.
	I agree.
	I agree, Nick.
	And listen, Turkey, of course, has a long history in the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire.
	They used to control Jerusalem and all the lands of Palestine.
	And Erdogan, I believe, wants to assert a role as a leader of the Arab and Muslim world.
	And having made these strong statements, I do not believe he can now back down.
	Your thoughts?
	No.
	Well, Turkey's been really undermined by these terrible earthquakes it's had not so long ago.
	Huge, huge earth tremors.
	The US brings about those earthquakes, Nick.
	The US is doing that.
	It's terrible.
	You think that the harp or whatever can do that in Turkey?
	Yeah.
	In fact, yeah, they're doing it all over the world.
	It's outrageous.
	That's something we're wondering about.
	Does the Empire really have that power?
	Certainly there is evidence.
	They do, Dick.
	Mark my words.
	There is evidence of people leaving Turkey or leaving the embassies just before that earthquake struck.
	I think there is some evidence of foreknowledge.
	They know it was coming, Geoff.
	Wow.
	Well, Turkey had said some very controversial things to annoy America.
	Just before the earthquake struck.
	So that greatly weakens and undermines Turkey.
	Which is the case for obviously any country around then not supporting Israel, like Syria.
	Syria can't do more.
	Because it's so much weakened by American presence and by Israeli bombing the country, there's very little it can do.
	I'm just discussing with the foreign policy of the USA, Nick.
	It is despicable.
	As you were saying, we're on the wrong side of all of these wars, all these issues.
	It's outrageous.
	Oh, yeah.
	So it's a very, very strange business.
	Let's urge any military or ex-military listening to this that you're in a special position to be able to do something about it.
	And let's also urge any elderly ladies listening to this that you're in a powerful position because the police don't like arresting women.
	If you can protest, express your rage, tell the young men not to fight and tell people not to pay taxes, you're in a strong position now to say what you think America ought to be doing because they don't like arresting women.
	I especially urge you to speak up.
	Yeah.
	You know, they've weakened it.
	They ran a campaign.
	The Democrats had defunded the police, Nick.
	They supported all these riots and looting and arson by BLM and Antifa.
	They weren't arresting anyone.
	I mean, it's just ridiculous what they've done.
	And they got George Soros-elected DAs in there not enforcing the crime.
	Shoplifting has run rampant.
	The more expensive stores are moving out.
	Wealthier people are relocating because cities are turning into chaos and lawlessness, which means the tax revenue is shrinking for these communities, which means there's less they can do to deal with the problems that are growing by the day.
	So the revenue is shrinking by the day and their problems are growing.
	It's a recipe for disaster, but that was the plan.
	Yeah, but the military expenditure is going up and up.
	You have some estimates of over a trillion dollars a year now, that's what I hear now, of America's total military spending, including everything.
	So it just keeps increasing, doesn't it?
	Yeah, yeah, just lunatic, Nick.
	Should we now, at this point, turn to your new book, my friend?
	Okay, let's look again.
	You do much wonderful work on so many different subjects.
	Have a break, really, but let's try and switch our mind over.
	OK, everybody, on a more pleasant subject, on a more pleasant subject, something happened 400 years ago.
	And this is an anniversary year, OK?
	Anniversary year now, 1623.
	And we're looking at the question of real identity, of who really was a great playwright.
	And how did he get his name?
	The greatest of all playwrights.
	Greatest of all playwrights.
	And how did he have to lose all credit for his plays as a kind of price he had to pay?
	This genius.
	What was his inspiration?
	And he lost all his credit.
	And 400 years ago, these amazing three dozen plays were published Given, accredited to somebody who literally could not read or write.
	You know, his children couldn't read or write, his parents couldn't read or write.
	He was sort of a country fellow who just lent money and did a bit of sheep farming and stuff.
	And he did, let's call him Shaxpour, Will Shaxpour.
	He did manage to get himself up to London at one point and become connected with one of the new theatres on the banks of the Thames, right?
	And through that connection, they somehow wanted to use his name.
	And so the most strange synchrony and coincidence.
	And what I'm saying in this book is that whoever did it was very close to the royalty, the royal family.
	And a whole lot of issues, the central themes that Shakespeare plays are the British royal family, the history of the royal family, who has the right to rule this country.
	That's the core issue.
	And he started off his career, first plays published, about the Wars of the Roses, which were a hundred years earlier.
	So somehow he had the history of England in his family, in his bones, and it's what he wanted to write about.
	And precisely because he was so close to royalty that his name could not be used.
	And also because a whole lot of people in the royal court were, as it were, put into the plays.
	It was too politically dangerous.
	At that time, Tudor England, Queen Elizabeth, it wasn't done at all for a noble person to write anything.
	I just want to make an aside.
	They attack people who are conspiracy theorists as though there were no conspiracies.
	What would Shakespeare have to write about but not for plots against the kings and queens of England?
	Those were all conspiracies!
	You can't understand history if you don't understand conspiracies.
	The whole idea of attacking people who are doing conspiracy research is ill-founded from the beginning and has an impure motivation.
	Yeah, let's have a quote.
	Research into crimes that more often than not lead back to the government.
	So of course the government wants to suppress it.
	Yeah, yeah, right.
	So all these plots and conspiracies went into the Shakespeare plays, is what you wrote about.
	And so now, an amazing thing that's happening now, 400 years later, we're getting the real identity.
	You go back, so 100 years ago, people thought, oh, maybe it's Francis Bacon.
	Well, that was an old theory.
	Bacon was an immensely learned character, but he didn't like poetry at all.
	No romantic soul.
	He wrote an enormous amount of stuff, but it was practical, materialistic kind of philosophy about science and law.
	So he helped publish the plays.
	He was around when the plays were published and Let me say, he knew the authors.
	It could have been a group of authors, more than one, because there's an amazing amount and a huge number of different words.
	Here's Ben Johnson.
	Ben Johnson had a central role in unleashing The myth, the myth of this Will Shaxpour as if he'd written the plays.
	That picture you see down there, horrible picture, famous picture, is a totally composite image.
	It's not a real character at all.
	You can see his face, his head is not really on his shoulders, okay?
	That's kind of giveaway.
	So it's not a picture of anyone.
	It's just a composite image of a guy who never existed.
	There never was a playwright called William Shakespeare and there never was a playwright who lived in Stratford-on-Avon.
	The man who had the name Will Shakespeare could not have written the play because he was illiterate.
	Let's call him Shakspore.
	That's a traditional English name.
	Shakspore.
	Otherwise we'll get too confused.
	The guy in Stratford, Will Shakspore, didn't write a thing and at his death nobody took any notice.
	He earned a bit of money and his various criminal things he's involved in, police records of stuff he was up to, he's not a very savoury character, he sued people for not paying back loans, and he somehow got the credit.
	And so every English department in this country, in America, has got it completely wrong.
	That guy did not write a thing.
	And the main My favourite character now is Edward de Vere, who was the most distinguished earl in the country and very close to the Queen of England.
	He would have grown up.
	Let's have a look at what you're showing here.
	1593.
	This is the first appearance of the name Shakespeare.
	It's a poem.
	It's a big, heavy, erotic-type poem dedicated to the Earl of Southampton.
	There's three people who get Shakespeare material dedicated to them.
	This is one, the poems, and then the plays are dedicated to other people, Herberts, and those three men who get dedications are all married or engaged to daughters Edward de Vere.
	That's very much a clue to the authorship.
	Edward de Vere had three daughters and they all married people to whom plays were dedicated, married or engaged to people.
	So that's part of the story of how the plays were all collected together and published well after the main characters were dead.
	Here's OK.
	First, here's a wise comment by Alexander Wall.
	All references to Shakespeare, references to a pseudonym, suddenly didn't exist.
	They're not allusions to a real living writer.
	So that's a fundamental statement.
	And it was very much in fashion to use pseudonyms.
	This is Minerva shaking her spear.
	So it was a literary allusion that somebody was... it's an inspiration.
	The idea of inspiration Minerva shaking her spear.
	That was the kind of thing that it meant, right?
	And the players appeared with a hyphen.
	You can see a hyphen here.
	Shake hyphen spear.
	That's clearly indicating that it's a non-diplom, not a real person.
	Everyone would have taken it that way.
	And here's where the name first begins, right at the end of the 16th century.
	And it shows how it's been acted by various people.
	This fellow puts his name to it.
	I think there's a lot of research coming out that there might have been various authors, but there was one main genius, Edward de Vere, who was greatly admired and respected as a poet and someone commented on writing plays, but There is a deep, awesome mystery by the way the plays appeared.
	In the theatre companies, they would never say Shakespeare gave this play.
	When they gave the name of the play, they would not give the name Shakespeare.
	It's not written down or recorded in the theatre books and nobody's on record of getting paid for those plays.
	So when a theatre company got a play called Shakespeare, it meant don't ask any questions.
	Somebody high up has given you this play and if you like it, play it, but don't ask any questions.
	Edward de Vere was given £1,000 a year by Queen Elizabeth, which was a lot in those days, in the 1580s, and he could set up a big kind of house or fisher's folly
	A whole lot of people were writing, churning out plays, and this was a terrifically exciting thing in that day and age, because there were no newspapers or anything, and the whole traditional England religion had been abolished by Henry VIII, the whole Catholic Church had been banned, a whole lot of Catholic traditions of England had been abolished, and what you're allowed to say, the religion kept switching over with different monarchs,
	What you were allowed to say was quite restricted, and so players would have coded information about what was going on in the country, and people would flock to hear them.
	And a player could easily be arrested or tortured, like Marlowe was threatened with death, Christopher Marlowe, because he was accused of atheism.
	So, the play was very popular, but at the same time it was very dangerous for someone, whoever the author was.
	Which I think is why a pseudonym was used, okay?
	So everyone had known that some sort of top person around the royal family, or rather around royalty, was producing these, and you just don't ask any questions.
	And the plays obviously focus on kings and nobles, and they don't have so much about ordinary people, okay?
	The main focus is always who has the right to rule this country.
	For example, the plays have referenced falconry, which is something that only the kings and the top upper crust did.
	A whole lot of terms and language about falconry and loads of it in Shakespeare, so he was obviously very familiar with this.
	Here we're looking at the Rose Theatre Manager keeping his plays in a diary, and these are the earliest appearances of plays, or very early appearances, that would later be published as Shakespeare plays, okay?
	And so we may take it that these are early versions of the plays, but it doesn't have that name on them.
	They're kind of anonymous, aren't they?
	Right.
	Here's a great book I recommend by John Michel, who wrote Shakespeare, but the trouble is it's totally agnostic.
	It reviews all the different characters, But he doesn't have any view about who the real author was.
	So I found that quite annoying actually.
	That's what stimulated me to do this little book.
	But here's a wise comment from him that the name meant you just take the plane, don't ask any questions.
	OK?
	And that's another fake image you see there.
	A fake image of a bard holding a quill pen.
	That's not a real person at all.
	OK?
	You might find this helpful when the various characters die off.
	You can see, for example, Christopher Marlowe dies off really too early, early 1590s, and a whole lot of plays appear after that time.
	Severe, 1604, that's the end of the Elizabethan era.
	The great flow of Shakespeare plays stops at 1604, but you do get one or two more, like The Tempest, great plays, and it's speculated that there might have been a different author after De Vere has passed away.
	But 1580s is when a great manufacturing of these plays would have taken place.
	The earliest versions of the plays, which later got polished up and finalised around 1590, The Earl of Derby, he's another candidate, William Stanley he's called.
	He's got the advantage of having the right initials, WS.
	He does live on a lot longer and he very likely made some of the changes or maybe wrote the last plays, The Tempest.
	These two were close together, they knew each other and they would have collaborated together.
	The guy called Shakespeare in Stratford died in 1616 and he probably never realised the huge credit he was going to get from using his name.
	Francis Bacon was totally involved in publishing the plays, him and Ben Jonson, so he would have had a lot to do with Getting the plays together so they look all right and can be put into print.
	The great mystery of Shakespeare plays is that there's no draft versions at all.
	You've got nothing in any handwriting.
	You've got these published plays, 1623, and that's it.
	Everyone keeps hoping we'll find a manuscript, but they're not there.
	And that would have been partly because of the It's fascinating to look at the play Hamlet and how it reflects the life of Edward de Vere.
	This is one of the strongest things that ties up the life of Edward de Vere with the plays.
	It's everyone's favourite Shakespeare play.
	It came out 1603 it came out and then published.
	Then the new King James sends an ambassador over to Denmark.
	There's this palace, Elsinore, where Hamlet's story is located.
	He sends an ambassador over to Elsinore and a whole lot of geographical details and corrections he comes back with.
	In 1604, that's when the final version of Hamlet appears, It has.
	Okay, Nick, stand by.
	I will be right back after this break.
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	you're listening to revolution radio freedom slips.com 100 percent listener supported radio and now we return you to your host well wrong well i'm just ecstatic to have you here nick my friend i'm I'm just absolutely delighted.
	Clearly, you're suggesting William DeVries is the most likely candidate, though I await your further confirmation or denial thereof.
	But it's fascinating, everything you're presenting.
	We had, of course, this life overlap.
	Very, very interesting.
	And I noticed, if you look at the briefs, he would have been old enough, I think, to start, you know, producing the plays that would be attributed to Shakespeare or really the anonymous plays that were attributed to no one.
	There's a certain delay, Nick, you know, in others in terms of the point at which it gets around to being produced.
	I certainly like all that.
	Yeah, well let's come on to the Hamlet story, okay?
	Now you get, if I may remind you, the story is Hamlet is engaged to Ophelia, who is the daughter of Polonius, who is the Queen's Intelligencer, or what you call Home Secretary or whatever, and he is getting somehow switched off or fed up with Ophelia.
	And also Hamlet, his father has died, been killed, He doesn't like the replacement.
	Edward de Vere was obliged to marry Anne Cecil, who he didn't really like.
	She was the daughter of the Queen's Intelligencer, William Cecil.
	There's a quite similar structure there.
	Edward de Vere's father died young and he was in fact brought up by Robert Cecil, the son of William Cecil.
	So I suggest he puts that all in the plays.
	There's a very famous bit where Polonius gives advice to his son Laertes who's going to Paris.
	You know, neither a borrower nor a lender be.
	Above all to thine own self be true.
	All the sort of helpful advice about life.
	And how to look after your friends and so on.
	And it's generally acknowledged that that is a copy of what was written by William Cecil, which was later on it was published, Maxine's for his son Robert, who also happened to be going to Paris.
	So a whole lot of advice about how to live a life by the Queen's Intelligencer, a wise Intelligencer, William Cecil.
	That then gets an echo in what Polonius says to his son.
	So So a strong analogy is here being made.
	Hamlet appears, he's a prince, he's in charge of a troop of players and he starts giving them advice about how to act.
	And just the same with Edward de Vere as an aristocrat.
	He, like his father before him, were in charge of a troop of players and would have been very concerned with the proper way for them to act.
	So as an aristocrat in England, he could feel a bit similar to Hamlet, the Prince of Denmark.
	And there's also a twist that the Hamlet ship in the play is boarded by pirates and he's left naked on the shore.
	And the same shocking thing happened to Edward de Vere on his way back to England from France, although in the Hamlet play it's Denmark.
	So there's a whole lot of personal stuff in the play Hamlet, and it's the last play to be published, as it were.
	Just slightly after Edward de Vere dies, you get the Hamlet play appearing, and Hamlet says his dying cry.
	He says that, you know, the rest is silence, and he urges Horatio to report his case aright.
	And people feel that that is Edward de Vere speaking about the way his whole name and reputation has been lost.
	He's utterly lost the credit for his great masterpieces and there's some scandal with his love life which is going on.
	That's partly why he can't be given the credit for the plays and he dies.
	So he dies Very much without having got the credit.
	Although there's a whole lot of poets and artists around who do admire Edward Demere and do praise him, but they have to do so in a fairly covert manner without saying that he's written the plays.
	Because it was so personal, is it possible Hamlet was held back until the end of his life to be published perhaps only posthumously?
	Yeah, yeah, I think it is.
	It's a terrible tragic play.
	Nearly everyone dies in it, so it's appropriate for the end of his life.
	Some people reckon Edward De Vere didn't actually die in 1604 because he was in financial trouble and he arranged his death because there was no funeral and no will and no gravestone.
	Sort of an alternative to bankruptcy.
	Yeah, and then in 1605, the year after the play King Lear appears, which is where a king has given away all his property to his three daughters and also his castle.
	Edward had a great castle called Headingham Castle and his daughters were kind of managing it.
	So the tragedy of King Lear comes from the king Having to be dependent on his three daughters who don't like him and are quite annoyed at him.
	So Edward de Vere, after his alleged death, may have found himself very dependent on the three daughters in a way he didn't quite like.
	What if studying Elsinore Castle?
	Wow!
	Oh yeah, right.
	That's fantastic!
	Yeah, well you can go and visit it today.
	It's done up and they have the Hamlet.
	They do Hamlet tours of Elsinore Castle, you know, and that's and so it's quite they preserved it very well.
	So so that's a nice historic landmark, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	OK.
	These in red are plays which were given the name William Shakespeare.
	You see there's about seven or eight of them.
	And other ones are anonymous and there's ones in blue where he just says he corrected them, augmented them.
	So I think a lot of the plays would have been made by various people who didn't put their name to them and also by the actors.
	The actors would have been given roles and they would knock them about, you know, in performances and At the end of the time, after they'd done the play a few times, somebody would write out the script.
	So I think the actors had a lot of creative role in doing this.
	Let's be aware that a whole lot of Shakespeare plays appear without his name on them.
	It's right at the end, from 1598 onwards, that the name Shakespeare starts to appear.
	So it was very much a collective process.
	The plays appeared and that's shown by the impossibly large number of words in the Shakespeare plays.
	Something like 20,000.
	Much too many different words for one playwright to use.
	Normally a playwright would have 9,000 words or something.
	So, Nick, you find that a persuasive argument that it was collaboration in the production of the plays.
	Definitely, yeah.
	There was various people knocking about.
	I mean, Demir might have had a final master touch in tweaking them and finishing them off.
	Also, he was in charge.
	Don't forget, he was paid a lot of money to help You get a bunch of playwrights to knock these out as propaganda.
	They were propaganda for the Tudor crown, but you couldn't control it a bit.
	Other times you would say something that the crown didn't like.
	But a whole lot of people put together the writing of these plays and it was creating a whole new culture in England.
	This is the Renaissance culture and All the old plays, only a couple of decades earlier, used to be church mystery plays about Adam and Eve and the Flood, you know.
	So that had all been abolished.
	All the Catholic culture had suddenly been abolished.
	This was a new culture appearing.
	It was humanistic and it wasn't so focused primarily on religion, okay?
	All the terrible strife and conflict between Protestants and Catholics.
	What have you got?
	The plays are so genius.
	I mean, they just reek with genius.
	I mean, literary plot, style, character.
	It's just breathtaking.
	There's never been a literary equivalent to Shakespeare's play.
	It's just mind-boggling, the quality of this work.
	Yeah, partly there's optimism because the defeat of the Spanish Armada, was it 1588?
	The wind blew and the mightiest navy in the world, the Spanish Armada, was scattered and Drake Others could take the credit for beating the Spanish Armada.
	They felt, we've got God on our side here.
	And so there's a terrific sense of national optimism and adoration of the Queen of England, who was kind of a mythic character.
	And that was the context in which you see this golden age of English poetry and literary style.
	And so a whole lot of people would have been knocking plays together and putting them out, and people loved hearing them.
	And it's a new culture.
	And what Shakespeare did, he brought the glory of the Italian Renaissance over to England, right?
	De Vere was in Italy for many years and he totally soaked up Italian culture.
	And there's loads, about at least 10 plays of Shakespeare all about Italy, you know, much of the Venice And Romeo and Juliet and so on.
	And they have a whole lot of detail of Italy, Italian culture, Italian places.
	Somebody knew Italy very well.
	That is so powerful.
	That is so substantial.
	That is so significant.
	You're nailing this, my friend.
	You are just nailing this.
	I love it.
	Right.
	Well, that's important.
	He came back.
	He was full of Italian ways and Italian culture.
	And so he brought that back to England in the plays.
	There's only one English, kind of common English play, I forget which, about ordinary people in England, whereas there's loads of them from Italy.
	And So that is one thing that gives a focus on his identity, that he was able to bring these Italian manners and Italian ways into all these plays.
	Fascinating, Nick.
	Fascinating.
	Then we have the sonnets.
	Right.
	Well, these were alluded to by our ever-living poet, which kind of means that he's dead.
	They're very personal, but they do describe, well, I think the various bits allude to De Vere's life.
	He had a marriage that wasn't happy at all.
	He was rather doubtful about whether the first child was really his, but she did give him three daughters.
	Then he had a very passionate, tempestuous affair with what's called the Dark Lady.
	Again, this was a lady who was part of Queen Elizabeth's One of the ladies of the court was supposed to be chased and he got him into a lot of trouble.
	So he had a passionate affair with her from when she was very young.
	So that was adulterous, an adulterous affair.
	As you said, his forehead is branded with this forbidden love and he then gets into a duel with the uncle of That's the Dark Lady of the Sonnets, who wounds him, so he's got a wounded leg.
	And then finally, in the 1590s, he does get happily married to a court beauty, another court beauty, and her brother is a lawyer and rescues all of De Beers' finances, because he's no good financially.
	And he has a happy last decade of his life in London, in what's called the King's Place in Hackney, And the great masterpieces flow out during that last decade, when he's just quietly removed from court.
	He's no longer dancing around the court and he was a great dueller and did jousting and all this sort of exciting stuff.
	But he was retired and walked around his garden and finished off the great plays.
	So he has a quiet last decade, which I think fits in with his life.
	And I love this part about the dedication of the verse folio to his daughters, to men who were related to his daughters.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Don't forget he's long dead by now and so there's a whole lot of mysterious stuff going on that we don't know about.
	These two earls became immensely powerful and influential and The Earl of Montgomery, the Lord Chancellor could totally control what was published.
	You could not publish stuff in Tudor England if they didn't want you to publish it.
	And so being in that position meant that he could ensure that these plays were published, right?
	So you get the three daughters of Tiberius.
	This is a central clue to the authorship of the works.
	Elizabeth, Bridget and Susan Tiberius, these characters to whom the works are dedicated, get engaged or married to these.
	Now here's a very mysterious paper A lot of people who wrongly thought that Francis Bacon had written them.
	He had this very upper crust building on the Strand, a very posh area of London, Sir Francis Bacon, and he was a lawyer, a top lawyer in the country, He could be quite cruel and dishonest and he could put people on the racks, which is quite in vogue those days, quite common.
	People would be tortured on the rack to confess stuff, so Bacon would do that.
	Now here's a large manuscript called the Northumberland Manuscript.
	That's just the house where it was found, which has got at the top Francis Bacon, the name Francis Bacon, and quotes from his essays.
	The titles of his ethos are Francis Bacon, right?
	And then all sorts of things are scribbled out and it goes at the bottom to William Shakespeare.
	It keeps writing out William Shakespeare and quotes, one or two quotes from William Shakespeare.
	So people have used this.
	What this conclusively shows is a collection of the plays with Francis Bacon.
	And it absolutely rules out any Stratford authorship.
	There's no possibility of a guy from Stratford having plays and giving them to Francis Bacon.
	Sorry, just go back a minute.
	On the back of that manuscript it says, print this text.
	So this was a folder that's been written on and presumably inside it things were kept.
	For example, the plays of Shakespeare, or possibly even essays of Bacon.
	The instructions on the back print this text, so obviously Bacon was instrumental in getting the Shakespeare plays published.
	There might have been a lot of other literary involvement.
	He might have polished them up.
	He might have been involved in polishing them up.
	Don't forget, De Vere is long dead now, many years after Edward De Vere has passed away.
	Bacon would presumably have been some sort of help getting the plays.
	He'd lost his job then.
	He was the Lord Chancellor.
	Retarded disgrace.
	But he was a great British philosopher, very materialistic, and he became respected by the new science.
	When the new science developed late in the 17th century, Bacon was quoted a lot, but it had no poetry in him at all, I suggest.
	Okay?
	Right.
	Okay, here are the historically main candidates.
	Francis Bacon and Marlowe and Olivier Vermeer.
	And William Stanley also.
	So you want to choose one of those.
	Basically, it's connected with the glorious Elizabethan age and that ends 1603 when she dies.
	OK.
	OK, next.
	That's a lovely picture.
	Lovely picture of De Vere, by the way.
	I think that is the best picture of Edward De Vere.
	You can see he's wearing a very theatrical type of coat, as you might expect from the director of a theatre company, and this guy is clearly the boss.
	He's in charge of the players.
	That's pretty obvious, isn't it?
	He's not one of the actors.
	That's what people have so wrongly believed for four centuries, that the author of the plays was one of the actors in a theatre company.
	He wasn't an actor, he was the boss, right?
	This is what somebody says of him.
	The best for comedy amongst us.
	So he had an English dramatist in 1598, while De Beers was still alive, but he was appreciated best for comedy.
	That's almost the only direct quote you've got that he wrote plays.
	Sorry, that he wrote plays.
	Yeah.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	Well, this is where he retires to, the last decade of his life.
	I And it's no longer... it's quite near to where I live, actually.
	So I've gone over there and tried to get the people happily interested by in vain.
	OK.
	Not with much success, right?
	No, no, right.
	Oh, God, Nick.
	You made this point before about how many were based on Italian life.
	I find that so powerful in such a situation that it was Napier who was the primary author of the play.
	It's just wonderful.
	Yeah, yeah, right.
	So it's somebody very upper crust, very much in the royalty, and he knows the Italian geography like the back of his hand.
	That is who it has to be, right.
	We're on the Dark Lady.
	There's no pictures of her.
	We don't have any pictures of her?
	I'd love to see what she looked like.
	Well, there are.
	I don't think there are.
	Anyway, so here he says he's got a bad reputation.
	Vulgar scandal stamped upon my brow.
	And so there you go, right.
	Very, very nice.
	And that's a Shakespearean piece right there.
	Yeah, part of the sonnet, one of the sonnets, yeah.
	Back to him, what did you say about the personal details?
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is 1603.
	It starts off by saying As it's been acted by various people in the City of London and in Oxford and Cambridge.
	And then, later on, it's brought some more details that the King's Ambassador has brought back from Denmark.
	So whoever the author was, the author has to be able to talk with the King's Ambassador who comes back from Denmark.
	Because there's very details.
	And then the name Polonius then appears in the 1604 edition.
	And this is the lament in Hamlet, which a lot of people feel applies to Tiberius.
	Oh God, Horatio, what a wounded name!
	Things standing thus unknown shall live behind me.
	Meaning, it's actually his authorship of the plays.
	Yeah, but he's lost his name.
	Associated with our scandal and he's practically bankrupt.
	Anyway, as we're rather short of pictures of De Vere, here's one of his son, Henry De Vere.
	So that might give you an idea what he looks like.
	And this is William Stanley.
	It might not be him, I'm not too sure.
	But he's got real royal blood, just as good a claim as the Queen of England.
	There's a Frenchman reported that he was busy penning comedies for the common players.
	So that's a Frenchman who reported that in the Court of Navarre.
	And the latest plays, like Tempest, also Midsummer Night's Dream, might have been composed by him.
	He's got a good claim to do the latest plays.
	Yeah, he lived out in the West Country.
	Right.
	And here may be the final resting place of Demir.
	Might be, yeah.
	It's quite moody.
	I live quite near there.
	But there's obviously no grave silence, except for Demir.
	Oh, I don't like, look at this, King Lear, own nothing and be happy.
	That sounds like something we're hearing from the World Economic Forum.
	Yeah, right.
	Well, I thought that's basically what King Lear thought he could do.
	So he discovers that it's not so great after all.
	So that's his, as it were, final tragedy.
	Okay, here's somebody playing a tribute to him.
	Edmund Spencer.
	This is some classic Elizabethan text, The Fairy Queen.
	He's talking about Eldred Wynne.
	The antique glory of thine ancestry, under a shady veil, is therein writ.
	Now that means it's concealed, right?
	What is right is concealed.
	Under a shady veep.
	Thine own long-living memory, succeeding in true nobility, a love which thou dost bear to the Heliconian nymphs.
	This is supposed to be inspiring literature, right?
	A poetry.
	The Heliconian nymphs.
	And they to thee.
	They unto thee, and thou to them most dear.
	So these beings who inspired poets were most dear to Edward de Vere.
	That's what he says.
	OK?
	Nick, we got a break and then we come back and we'll open the lines for callers, but we want to review this tribute.
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	Yes, Nick, we have a final segment of 30 minutes.
	I know you've got to call your hand late here.
	Well, at Deja Vu.
	Yeah, 10 by 7.
	OK, sweetheart.
	Thanks very much.
	Yeah.
	Nick, very good.
	We have this tribute from, is it Chapman, George Chapman to the 26-year-old Devere?
	I mean, he was very much of a young man then, though I think, relatively speaking, the average life expectancy was less than it is now. - Oh yeah, right. - It still seemed like quite a commendation for a 26-year-old that he's great accomplishments.
	Yeah, let's get a picture of who the bard was.
	But nowadays you tend to think, oh, he's so learned.
	You think it's some scholar who just spent his time reading books, okay?
	This was a courtier.
	Now the figure of the courtier vanished from our culture several centuries ago and it wasn't just learned but he had valour and that means he would be involved in duelling and able to maintain his reputation and sword fighting and knowing his place in society.
	So I think this is a good picture of somebody perceived De Vere as a noble character.
	OK, I'll just read it.
	So this is on his way back from Italy.
	I undertook, coming from Italy, in Germany, a great and famous Earl of England, the most goodly fashioned man I ever saw, from head to foot in form, rare and most absolute.
	He had a face like one of the most ancient honoured Romans from whence his noblest family was derived.
	He was besides of spirit, passing great, Valiant and learned, and liberal as the sun, spoke and writ sweetly, or of learned subjects, or of the discipline of public wheels, and t'was the Earl of Oxford.
	So there we go.
	That's before he'd written anything.
	I think this is sensational, Nick.
	I just love this.
	He was a confident fellow and he kind of lost his reputation.
	His finances went to pieces and he had scandalous affairs.
	But the point is that he was totally supporting the development of theatre in England, which the Puritans were furiously against.
	So this is the road to hell, you know, the theatre should be stopped.
	Well, he was totally, totally supporting the theatre and that's why I think we need to try and rescue his name for the great stuff he did.
	So this is a modern author talking about the European Renaissance and how the plays, Shakespeare, as it were, opened up a whole new culture And it was a brilliant flowering of the English language.
	And it was no longer centrally about religion.
	That's the thing.
	People were second tired of religious wars.
	So it was a bit pagan merrymaking and how to have fun and enjoy evenings.
	Why people flocked to the theatres urgently to hear what was going on.
	So that's the context within which we see the blossoming of these new plays.
	Nick, I am so impressed.
	I think you have really nailed it.
	I think you really have given so much substance.
	The Earl of Oxford is the primary author of Shakespeare's works.
	I think you've made a beyond reasonable doubt, my friend.
	That's my take.
	Right.
	Well, anyone who likes the book, give me an Amazon review.
	You know, it's the way to help an author.
	And I think it's something everybody likes to talk about.
	This is a subject.
	It's not so dark as other conspiracy things are.
	And we all need to, you know, have fun talking about it.
	Right.
	Let me put out that phone number, 540-352-4452.
	number 540-352-4452, 540-352-4452.
	540-352-4452.
	Nick and I, of course, have been talking about a wide range of issues, including what's going on in Israel with Hamas and the slaughter of the Palestinians.
	We've also discussed the Holocaust, the myth of the Holocaust, the fabrication of justification for victimhood by the Jews, which has now Worn out its usefulness.
	I think never again can they successfully play that after undertaking the genocide of the Palestinian people for now 45 days or more, Nick, and it's all been visible on television.
	We've been watching it day by day, the slaughter, the mayhem, the murder of innocent women, children, the elderly, the attacks on churches, on hospitals, on Must!
	I mean, and ongoing, too, and in the West Bank.
	They've given the settlers, who are fanatics, extreme fanatics, machine guns to shoot up the remaining Palestinians.
	They poisoned their wells.
	They've stolen their homes.
	They've ripped up their olive groves.
	Nick, this is just unbelievable, taking place in 2023 in the eyes of the whole world.
	Oh, yeah, it is.
	It is, yeah.
	Anyway, let's see if we've got any viewers' comments or questions.
	Well, I think, you know, I've found sometimes when you have a show that's utterly fascinating that they just want to hear more from you or me.
	And I love what you have done here, Nick.
	I think this is absolutely fabulous.
	Well, I think there could be a new interest.
	Enjoy perusing Shakespeare plays once you have a picture of the context in which they were composed, you know?
	Yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Well, we do have a caller.
	He's a frequent caller.
	Brian, Leon, give us your thoughts.
	Well, it's interesting because we have here in Kansas City something called the Church of St.
	Germain.
	I think it's the only one in the world, and they used to have programs every Wednesday at 10 o'clock and They said that they really had to go underground because, and not do a lot of work, because George Bush Sr., their leadership was hit by all these energy weapons and heart attack guns and, you know, cancer-causing, and it really hurt.
	But they always had interests Interesting stories.
	They talked about how William Shakespeare was actually Saint Germain, and at that time Saint Germain was Sir Francis Bacon.
	You know, and I don't know, I'm just telling you what they said.
	They talked about when Saint Germain met Napoleon and told him, don't invade Russia.
	They said Saint Germain was the mysterious individual that showed up when they were Uh, getting the Declaration of Independence ready here and kind of gave them backbone because they were all kind of fearful of what would happen to them.
	And, uh, they, he had these little green books.
	You could buy these books online.
	And, uh, I actually bought them back then, but there was someone who really wanted to read them.
	And so they used to start their program with, uh, you know, this was St.
	Germain's channel and you're going on.
	Get a lot of information that's going to change your mind on a lot of things.
	So it was kind of interesting.
	Right.
	OK.
	Well, so a hundred years ago, Bacon was the main candidate.
	You see, he was almost the only candidate.
	He was a very learned fellow.
	And I think people reached the wrong conclusion that he'd actually written the plays.
	So I think that's where...
	Had Bacon ever spent any time in Italy, Nick?
	I mean, you know, I think that's one of the most powerful aspects of your argument.
	I'm not aware that he did.
	He might have visited.
	It was part of the idea of a European tour, but he certainly didn't spend much time there, no.
	Brian, if you followed the argument, were you convinced that it was, in fact, not actually Bacon, though he contributed to publication of some of the plays, but DeVere?
	Or are you open-minded and still disposed to the Saint-Germain theory?
	Well, I just have it in my mind that it's Saint-Germain because, you know, I got it in my mind way back when.
	And really, it's just an area I just don't have a lot of knowledge on.
	You know, when you talk about the Holocaust, I always have a lot of knowledge there, because I like to point out that when Hitler was in Landau or whatever, the prison, he was there with Hess and his bodyguard and chauffeur, Emil Maurice, who was Jewish.
	And Emil Maurice dated Hitler's niece, Gali Rabaul, and you can find a picture online of a picture of Gali Rabaul, and there's writing on it.
	When you read the writing, it's like, to my dear Emil, you know, and it's kind of a little love note there.
	And so I always ask the question, if Hitler was such a anti-Semite against the Jews, why did he allow his niece Who date his Jewish bodyguard, Shofar.
	And if all these death camps, all this murder was going on, why wouldn't Abel Maurice go in there?
	He had the gun, he was his bodyguard, and say, I'm really mad at you today, Adolf.
	Last night in the gas chambers, my mother and father went up the chimney.
	You know, so I mean, what they show us is just such garbage.
	And then the fact that it was on Veterans Today a few years ago, there was a book on the Warburgs, and the Warburgs owned Auschwitz-Birkenau.
	Well, you know, that being the case, and you could buy the whole book on it, why didn't the Jews go to Warburg and say, you know, we're tired of all of our countrymen going up your chimneys.
	You're a fellow Jew, can't you make it stop?
	You know, the arguments they give you are just so asinine.
	So anyway, that's all I had to say on that.
	You want to add anything about Israel and the mosque?
	Did you want to add anything about Israel and the mosque, Brian, or no?
	Nick, any comment?
	Oh, no.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought you said... No, no, I'm fine with that.
	So, yeah.
	Good, good, good.
	No one else... No one else... ...created Hamas, so I just can't follow it because I know it's just all BS.
	Oh, you're...
	You're not even trying to keep up with the news because you think it's so distorted that there's so many false news.
	Well, the mainstream is bullshit, but there are alternative sources like South Front, Like War News 24-7, TASS, you know, there are some sources.
	Al Jazeera has pretty good reports, but the fact is we can witness this 24-7 on television.
	This is what makes this so different.
	In the past, you could read about atrocities And you think, well, you know, that's really not good.
	But when you see them, how many, the emotional impact is immense.
	It's categorically different.
	So I do not blame Israel.
	Its image of number one invincibility, which was shattered on October 7th, whether it was on purpose or not, and its aura of victimhood, which it has played endlessly since World War II, those are gone forever.
	Right.
	To me, on South Front Press, they had a video of this Ukrainian soldier with arms up, and the Russian soldier approaches, and then she says something in Russian, and they have the translation, and she's saying, please don't hurt me, I'm pregnant.
	And here's this petite little cute girl, and it just got to me.
	You know, here she is in her Ukrainian uniform, with her little Ukrainian flag, and she's got her arms up, and she's kind of, and she starts sobbing like girls do, and it just drove me mad.
	And then they had videos of where the Russians were recently in a trench line, where they probably hit them with pots.
	Yeah, flamethrower that you just can't survive in the trenches full of all these Ukrainian bodies.
	And then they're going through them.
	And, you know, there were women in there, you know, here's this long, blonde, blue eyed girl.
	And it just that just really gets to me.
	Well, right.
	It's desperate.
	They don't have any more soldiers.
	They're recruiting women and children and old people.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	They have lost their adult male population.
	It is gone.
	It is gone forever.
	Yeah.
	Do you notice that Britain just appointed a new Foreign Secretary?
	Let Nick say, and then you.
	Right.
	There's a guy who used to be the Prime Minister of this country called Cameron, and he resigned over the Brexit bill, and he's now been appointed as Britain's Foreign Secretary.
	The very first thing he does, immediately, he gets a train out to Kiev.
	And, you know, embraces Zelensky, starts telling him how we're going to support him and so on.
	And so that is his number one priority.
	And to make sure the war continues, you know.
	So, you know, we're a warmonger nation.
	It's throwing good money after bad because the war is already lost.
	Russia, even the head of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, has conceded as much.
	In so many words, Zelensky is furious, of course, because he's not getting enough money or enough weapons from the West.
	But, I mean, America has been so obliging.
	We don't have any weapons to defend ourselves.
	We don't have any to send to Israel to keep slaughtering the Palestinians, which we seem eager to endorse and to encourage.
	I mean, this is grotesque.
	The moral absurdity of the American stance in this situation is Bizarre beyond words.
	Absolutely horrific.
	Horrific.
	I don't see, Nick, how the U.S.
	emerges from this any better off in the community of nations than Israel.
	No, no, I would have thought not.
	I mean, the world is changing.
	It's changing enormously, I think now.
	And partly the reason for this war was to stop the blossoming of Asia And also Africa.
	A whole new hope was developing in the world as a multipolar world with trade, commerce and bricks.
	You know, there's a whole new mood of optimism and of escaping the clutches of the Imperium, of the US Empire.
	And I think that's partly the reason for this conflict, to put an end to that.
	These desperate gas, desperate efforts to hold on to a crumbling empire, Nick.
	I think that's exactly right.
	I think that's right.
	You want to add to that?
	Well, one thing that I caught on the internet the other day that I found really fascinating concerning Russia is it was a Russian blogger who was talking about Tajikistan and that 30% of the population has been given Russian passports by the Russian ministry of whatever.
	And that these Tajiks or whatever, they're the drug lords that come out of Afghanistan, and there's a lot of radical Muslims in their population, and how now in Russia they have a real problem with all these Tajik, you know, people coming in, that the prisons, the gangs that run the prisons are run by these people, and they're having all these issues and wrecker with them, and I thought
	See, that sounds like over here.
	So again, you see the deep state blueprint at work.
	You know, they'll do it to every country.
	And it's, you know, Russia has a deep state, so their ministry of passports or whatever is making sure that they're flooding Russia with more people that don't Men are meld well with the white Russian population.
	So anyway, I just wanted to add that.
	Well, we've got the last few minutes.
	I'd love your summing up, especially, I guess, because of its relevance about the war, Britain, Roe.
	It seemed to me the people are way out ahead of the politicians, all of whom seem to be bribed.
	One of the stories I finessed to get to Shakespeare was how your PM, his father-in-law, is a beneficiary of the gas and oil leases for the plot off of Gaza, which don't even belong to Israel, and yet they're leasing them off as though they did, indicating they're going to annex all of Gaza.
	They just got to get those pesky Palestinians out off of their land.
	Yeah, well, the major in this country certainly seem pro-Israel, but I don't think the people are.
	There's enormous marches every weekend now.
	Huge marches in London.
	You mean pro-Palestine?
	Pro-Palestine.
	Yeah, yeah.
	From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
	Israel is a terror state.
	And I think that's a popular sentiment in this country.
	And not just amongst Muslims.
	It's being substantiated every single day.
	More and more confirmation.
	There's a brutal decimation of this population.
	Starvation, Nick!
	Starvation!
	Yeah, it's very strange the way no politician seems able to take, or no politician in power takes a pro-Palestine stance, just as they're not allowed to take a pro-Russian stance in the Ukraine war.
	Except we've got a few people like George Galloway, for example, Who are out of power who can, and they're accused of being pro-Russian, and I think they speak much more for the British people, as far as I can tell.
	Yeah.
	I think we may have a half a million deaths by starvation.
	We're into the 45th day cutting off food, fuel, water, electricity.
	Immediate effect of all those incubators.
	Baby died in the hospital because they couldn't run the incubator because of the lack of electricity.
	And without fuel, they can't run the backup generators.
	And without food and water, remember the rule of three.
	A human being can survive three minutes without air.
	Days without water, three weeks without food.
	Well, we're now in 45.
	I mean, give me a break.
	This is all brutal.
	This is all deliberate.
	They want to kill every single Palestinian, or at the very least, get them the hell out of Palestine.
	Yeah, I think Russia is trying to support the Palestinians.
	It's tried hard to be friendly with Israel in the past, but I don't think it can manage it anymore.
	I think Russia is moving over to a pro-Palestine position now.
	I think that's an important swing.
	How do you see this playing out, Nick?
	What do you think?
	Well, I mean, pessimistically, I suppose Israel just wants to grab hold of the whole thing and claim it's all Israel.
	But are they going to get away with it?
	Is Turkey going to make a difference here?
	I think what we need to aim for is a secular state, one man, one vote, from the river to the sea.
	The whole of Palestine becomes a state with one parliament, And Israel is no longer a nation.
	It's a district within Palestine and the thing is run as a secular state, as a modern democracy.
	That's what I think we need to aim for.
	I can't see any possibility of a two-state solution.
	I wouldn't have thought that was viable anymore.
	And of course, Israel had the decision to be a democracy where Palestinians were citizens, as were the Jews, or a religious, a Jewish state.
	And they chose to be a Jewish state, Nick, and we're living with the consequences.
	Well, that was the terrible thing the United Nations resolved in 1948 for the creation of a Jewish state.
	It used those words.
	Which is a very terrible thing.
	But anyway, that's the legacy we've got now.
	And I suggest, if the world wants to have a hope and future, it needs to get a secular state and not advocate having a religious state.
	Especially one where, Jewish, where the secularists all have this genocidal mandate to wipe out your neighbour, you know.
	I believe that Israelis are so enhanced with themselves.
	They believe they're superior to all other people, that they're entitled to the land, that they're following God's law.
	They don't give a damn about man's law.
	They only respond to force.
	I think this is spinning out of control.
	We got the Houthis who have been attacking.
	We got Nigeria's parliament has passed a declaration of war.
	The president is only to sign.
	We got Turkey on the verge.
	It's been out of control, Nick, and we're going to have initially a regional, but it's going to blow into a world war.
	And I'm sorry to say, I think about half the population is going to be decimated by those bombs that some would like to believe don't even exist.
	That's how I see it.
	Yeah, well, a lot of prophecies about World War Three has been inevitable and it's coming.
	And certainly Israel's behavior is sort of precipitating that, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Let's hope the cool, wise council of China and Russia, I think those are wise statesmen and policy makers, let's hope they manage to hold a balance and avoid the mad descent into war.
	Nick, this has been glorious.
	We're so wonderful on Shakespeare.
	You've done so much good on so many other subjects.
	It's just a real joy for me, for us, to spend this time together, my friend.
	Well, thanks, Jim.
	Yeah, thanks.
	I extend my personal and professional congratulations.
	Yeah, mention your book again, the title.
	The Bard and the Gunpowder Plot.
	400th anniversary.
	A great list of hoaxes of all time.
	So get a copy and give me a nice Amazon review and I'll be grateful.
	Well, check it out.
	Nick has a lot of wonderful books, including one about Ukraine, The Just War.
	This is a serious scholar, deals with a wide range in depth, is utterly competent.
	He's one of the most authoritative sources on a vast range of issues.
	I cannot recommend him highly enough.
	I want to thank you, Brian, for your call.
	It was good of you to join.
	And I just want to close by saying, as I have been saying for some time now, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about.
	We literally do not know how much time we have left.
	Right.
	OK, Jim.
	Nick, just a joy.
	Just a pleasure, my friend.
	I have been so happy to have you here today.
	And your work on Shakespeare is just stunning.
	Just absolutely stunning, Nick.
	I love it.
	May your book have great success.
	I think it's perhaps the greatest literary mystery in history.
	Well, not me.
	I've just put the story together, Jim.
	That's what it takes, Nick.
	That's what it takes.
	Putting it all together.
	Okay, Jim.
	I'll see you then.
	Thank you, Nick.
	Thank you, Jim.
	Joyful.
	Wonderful, my friend.
	Nick Hollis, from whom I admire beyond words.
	And it's just wonderful to have him here.
	He's a guy who really packs a punch.
	And he's very self-effacing.
	When Barry Cameron was declaring, you know, against 9-11 and making a big to-do about people who didn't think it was legit, Nick walked himself down to Scotland Yard to turn himself in because he had a book that he knew would be offensive.
	Scotland Yard decided not to pursue it, but that's the kind of guy he is.
	Absolutely sensational.
	So, thank you all for joining us today.

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