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The Raw Deal (20 September 2023) with Mike Cunningham - The Armenian Genocide

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	Not just anybody.
	you know i need someone you
	know i need someone to help me This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal.
	I have a very special program for you today.
	A dear friend, Mike Cunningham, who's just a brilliant teacher in Texas, who does a lot of interaction with international students and others, is going to present a program having to do with Armenian Azerbaijan, which, as you may know if you're following the news, is currently as you may know if you're following the news, is currently at the edge of a It could very well break out any day.
	And we want to follow up what happened in depth.
	It's going to be a serious matter.
	And it's my great pleasure to introduce Mike Cunningham.
	Mike, take it away.
	I really appreciate this opportunity.
	And when we talk about a special day, this couldn't probably be more special because Russia brokered a ceasefire between Abidjan and Aktosh, which is what we're going to learn about today.
	And it went into effect at 1 o'clock in the 1 p.m.
	In Armenian time and it was a brokerage between Abrajan.
	Abrajan basically got everything he wanted.
	They wanted to put the armed forces down in Aktash and give up the arms and would start there.
	But I'm going to try to show you a whole different part of the story.
	Aktash genocide, Edgeside.
	Happening right now.
	Michael Cunningham.
	Okay, what is EDUCIDE?
	EDUCIDE is education regarding the essence of population, providing a firm foundation for a population or communities that are well-established.
	Along these lines, the destruction of an academic system would be recognized and condemned as a form of genocide.
	This is first applied by myself in the thesis I wrote for the AGBU-AVC Armenian Virtual College, Armenian Genocide, a critical analysis of the United States foreign policy vis-a-vis the Ottoman Empire and Turkey.
	To the Turkish revision of history concerning the rewriting of their history and in teaching those recreated facts as truth.
	But we're going to see today not only does Turkey do it but so does the United States and so does our mass media today.
	This is Talat Pasha.
	Talat Pasha was murdered on March 15th of 1921 in the streets of Berlin around 11 o'clock in the morning.
	He was shot as a joint operation between the English Secret Service, the Russian Bolsheviks, and the Armenian Nemesis plot.
	And he says, Turkey is taking advantage of those who Turkey is taking advantage of the war in order to thoroughly liquidate its internal foes, the indigenous Christians, without being thereby disturbed by foreign intervention.
	What on earth do you mean?
	The question is settled.
	There are no more Armenians.
	In January of 8th of 1918, and in front of a joint session of Congress, Woodrow Wilson comes up with his 14 points.
	My point of that matter is, we have always learned in history books that this was a peace-loving young man that wanted to get at the world he saw in his idealist way.
	However, you notice that it was not written in French, it was not written in German, it was not written in Turkish, it was not written in any of the languages of that.
	It was written in English and it was given to a joint session of Congress.
	I ask you right now today, why would you give this address to a joint session of Congress unless it was a recipe for re-election of an off-year election?
	It failed.
	The Republicans took over and the world changes.
	In Roman numeral number 12 here, it addresses the Turkish issue.
	It says, Turkish portions of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured to secure sovereignty.
	Sovereignty means that you have control over your land.
	As far as I know, this has never happened.
	Madras armistice what a lot of people do not know this one sheet of paper that you see right here on the raw deal is the October 30th 1918 agreement between the union uh excuse me between the United Kingdom and the Ottoman Empire to cease fire.
	Okay, this is almost two weeks ahead of the Armistice Day that we celebrate in the West, 11-11, November 11th.
	So the Turkish, Ottoman Turks, Capitulated, or it ceased fire before the Western people did.
	Remember, the United States was not involved here because we never declared war on Turkey, or excuse me, on the Ottoman Empire.
	We only declared war in April of 1917 against Germany, and then in December of that same year, we declared against the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.
	Armistice signed.
	This is dated Monday, November 11.
	Armistice signed.
	End of the war.
	Berlin seized by revolutionists.
	New chancellor begs for order.
	A lot of people start celebrating here and they think it's the end of the war.
	However, a ceasefire, according to a Jim Mike, Mr. Spencer Mike wanted to jump in here as being a former military person, a ceasefire is much different than a peace treaty.
	You do not win a ceasefire.
	You negotiate a ceasefire.
	Then you try to negotiate.
	All you're doing is cessation of forces.
	Okay, now, next.
	President is dangerously ill.
	October the 2nd of 1919, President Wilson was found lying next to his bed in his bedroom.
	They thought originally he had died His wife comes in, calls for the doctor to come, and he was serious.
	They were never really informed.
	The people were never really informed what happened.
	This changes the history in many senses of the way, okay?
	This is crazy, really very, very important.
	Okay, I mentioned, and I got the wrong slides up here, so I'm really, I'm going to backtrack just a second.
	I'm going to stop the share and get the right slide things, because I didn't have all my slides on this one, so I kind of apologize just briefly.
	But I want to show you something here that it's going to be really important.
	We stopped with President Wilson getting sick.
	And now we're going to pick it up again.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Frankly.
	OK.
	That's the same problem.
	I'll just have to talk and I'll continue.
	I know what I'm talking about, so this is not a problem and we get to the right slide.
	OK.
	Going to share.
	I was talking a little bit about President Wilson.
	I can want to put a full screen.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	- Sorry, yes. - Okay.
	I put in about 8 or 9 more slides, but I'm just going to talk about them, and I think I'm pretty conscious about this.
	When President Roosevelt goes ahead and he has a stroke, and basically he and his second wife are running the country, Many of the people in Washington, D.C.
	have no idea what is going on.
	It's one of the best kept secrets in possibilities.
	Now, the problem was so much of his political capital depended upon him being a forceful leader at this time.
	And because of such, he ended up with a group of people, three people in particular, so you can kind of remind you in your imagination We're going to take a look at Lenin, we're going to take a look at Mustafa Kemal, and we're going to look at Henry Cabot Lodge.
	These three people gained power as President Wilson's power wanes, and it's going to be very important to understand this.
	I told you at the Treaty of Madros, not treaty, the ceasefire of Madros, October the 30th, 1918, that the Ottomans wanted to have a peace treaty in which they wanted to get out of this war. - Yeah.
	Article 12 of the 12 points of Woodrow Wilson said that when the Ottoman Turks decide to go ahead and break up, that they would actually have a Kurdistan, they would have an Armenia, they would have stuff like this.
	So we have the peace treaty in Paris, the Treaty of Versailles, and part of the Treaty of Versailles was that United States was going to send some people to look into this.
	So Woodrow Wilson sends two commissions.
	One commission with General Hobart, who is the second in command of the expeditionary forces under Black Jack Pershing, and he was sent by the Woodrow Wilson, and he did an extensive three-week or so, almost a month, study on all the different aspects of what was taking place in the former Ottoman Empire.
	Then they also send, under the Treaty of Versailles, each party was going to send their own person to send over.
	So the United States picks King and Crane.
	One was a congressman, one was an influential person.
	They go over and they do it.
	So we have the King-Crane Commission, which originally gives their report and it's published in Editor and Publisher about two or three years afterwards.
	So it's kind of touch-touch.
	And then The Hobart Commission actually goes to the subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
	This is going to be important, and the pictures are.
	A lot of people don't know this, but Warren G. Harding was the head of the subcommittee that was going to take over the Versailles Treaty and also with problems issued with Armenia.
	Under the auspices of the 1400, excuse me, under the auspices of the 14 points, with the encouragement of some people here in the United States, the first Republic of Armenia was pronounced in May of 1918.
	They were looking for U.S.
	support because they thought, because they would listen to our words, that we would be readily able to give it to them.
	But because the conditions were such that the Republicans were intransigent in one direction and Wilson was intransigent in another direction, that the Republicans who had previously been pretty much going, forced to try to help out people, We're going against Wilson, so it's basically at this point you're going to have Wilson saying that we're going to try to help you.
	Wilson gets a stroke, his help is not available.
	The commissions come back and report to the Senate and they ask for 55,000 to 85,000 troops to be peacekeepers in the mandated area between Armenia and Turkey.
	Now, the King Crane Commission did that one better.
	They were saying that not only do we need 55,000 to 85,000 troops, we need to send a tremendous amount of foreign aid.
	None of this worked really well with some of the Senators that were hearing this because they were saying, we're going to go back to normalcy.
	That was the code phrase for Warren G. Harding.
	And Warren G. Harding was the gentleman who was hearing it at the Senate.
	In fact, he was actually hearing things at the Senate in May of 1920.
	Now you're thinking, now politicians today are running for president already.
	What is Warren G. Harding who runs for president in 1920?
	Why is he still in the Senate?
	Why is he heading up this subcommittee?
	Well, the answer is this.
	Warren G. Harding was never the intended person to be the president in 1920.
	in 1920.
	In 1920, they had a man named Leonard Wood.
	He was a very strong person, and he was the first person on the Republican ballot for the first nine ballots on the Republican ballot.
	On the 10th ballot, Woodrow Wilson, excuse me, Warren G. Harding, actually as a compromise person, wins.
	So he was kind of like a person by accident.
	So he signs one of the first resolutions to actually support Armenian genocide, saying it was a genocide, in the Senate, and he promised that they would send one ship and a group of 13 or 14 infantrymen to help them out.
	Well, 13 or 14 infantrymen, and that would just be a disaster.
	So to make a long story short here, the Republicans became very anti-helpful.
	The United States decides that we can't do mandates or anything like that.
	We vote down the treaties.
	Henry Cabot Lodge, Senator Borah from Idaho, and a group of other people got enough votes in the Senate to where Woodrow Wilson without being so totally sick.
	Now one thing it's also important to remember on this, Part of the Versailles Treaty was that Woodrow Wilson was going to be the binding arbiter between Turkey and Armenia to develop the border.
	So the Treaty of Cervez, which is a treaty that was founded in 1920, they select Woodrow Wilson as the arbiter, and this is called the Wilson Arbitration.
	He divides, he delineates the whole border for Armenia.
	All the parties, which included the Ottoman Empire, and included the UK, included France, included the United States, because we're never technically at war, so they included all these countries.
	They signed that they would be binding towards this gentleman.
	This one fact right here would take out the complete media story that Abidjan is actually in control of Oshkosh, Because in this arbitration, this was given to Armenia.
	Armenia was given the land that was taken over by Mustafa Kemal.
	Mustafa Kemal is noticing, one thing I want to mention, and again now I'll go back to my slides, One thing I wanted to mention, it's very important.
	Mustafa Kemal was a hero of Gallopoli.
	And Galapoli, the English under auspices, I guess, of Winston Churchill and others, decide to attack a thin group and go almost straight up the hill.
	All the Turkish people had to do, the Ottomans had to do, was shoot downhill.
	And these people are stuck on the beach.
	It was probably the most cruel setup that they would put.
	And they put a lot of people from Australia and a lot of people from New Zealand.
	And it was just basically impossible.
	It had to do because very poor topography.
	And they had very poor ideas of what they were getting themselves into.
	So Gallopoli was the one major battle that the Turks actually held down the English for.
	Most everything else was defeat.
	So in a war in which they lost, Mustafa Kemal became their war hero.
	So after the war, You had the three young Turks leave.
	They go to Germany.
	That's when I start out with Talat Pasha.
	And they get assassinated.
	Mustafa Kemal becomes a, I wouldn't call it a terrorist, but he becomes a rebel.
	And he opens up his own government in Acre, even though the capital and the official country is Istanbul, Constantinople.
	It wasn't changed.
	He changes it later.
	And the real government, the official government was the Ottoman Empire.
	So in this case, we're going to go there.
	So as we speak, what we have here, we have a power grab in the back room.
	We have a rebel group taking over the government of Turkey officially.
	And this is kind of a strange deal because the day after Talat Pasha was killed on March 15th, March 16th, The Russians under Stalin and the Mustafa Kemal signed a treaty of cards where we get where all of a sudden Turkey is carved up.
	I mean cards up.
	It's kind of like the Russian, Sino-Russian, German-Russian Treaty on Ribbentrop.
	But anyways, to make a long story short, Armenia is given a loss over 50% of their land, including the land in Aktos.
	Okay, so let's go ahead and go back to the story.
	Now, I'm sorry about apologizing, but we're good.
	Now, we're coming up on the 100th anniversary of the Republic of Turkey.
	This becomes pretty important because Turkey doesn't exist until October 29, 1923.
	29, 1923.
	However, they signed the Treaty of Lucerne as not a country.
	Now, I don't know about you, but you cannot officially sign something until you are actually a country.
	So I'm not going by what I'm saying, go by what they're saying.
	So this is kind of important.
	This is one of the reasons why I think this could be taken to the International Criminal Court, because you have some illegal activities.
	Here you see the Hagia Sophia without the minarets.
	This is kind of a picture to a lot of people who remember Istanbul was taken over in May of 1453 by the Ottomans.
	Okay, here we have a picture of Mustafa Kemal and it says, Educide the Turkish Genocide.
	"New information about the Turkish involvement "in the genocide." Okay, and play on words.
	Let's talk Turkey.
	OK, the Turkish government believes and has talked for many years that the Armenian genocide never happened.
	You cannot change your mind.
	There's a picture of the gentleman that we're going to talk about a little bit later.
	There's just a picture there.
	OK, sorry, this is the argument.
	Sorry we didn't exist.
	In 1915, and if there is a holocaust to be considered, but it's a holocaust, okay?
	When you walk through this fault, the Ottoman Empire says they were not, excuse me, they don't exist anymore, so you can't blame them.
	Modern Turkey says we didn't exist in 1915, so you can't blame us.
	The same people were on both sides.
	So you got, this is kind of weird, it's kind of like the criminals can't, you can't blame me because I wasn't a criminal yet, because I wasn't Turkey.
	Well, if you follow that philosophy, you can't sign a treaty until you are a country.
	So, in other words, their arguments will fail in the court battle because they're doing some really tricky stuff.
	Okay, now, next one.
	Mostafa Kamal's quotes.
	When Mustafa Kemal, called Anatürk, Anatürk means father of the Turks, opened a new country's parliament in Ankara, April 24th, 1920, he called the genocide of Armenians a shameful act of the past.
	The problem is, he calls for a parliament, but where was a parliament supposed to be and who was supposed to be in charge of it?
	It wasn't in Ankara.
	It was supposed to be in Constantinople because that was the official capital.
	Remember, the country of Turkey that he has founded did not start until October 29th of 1923.
	Then, August the 1st, 1926, in Los Angeles Exam, they're talking about the formal young Turks.
	They say, these leftovers from the formal young Turks, who should have been made accountable for the millions of a Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven in mass from their homes and massacred, have been restive under Republican rule.
	Basically, he's saying, leave us alone, these were other people.
	In fact, when he signs a treaty that wasn't a country, it says that you cannot prosecute anybody for war crimes from this time until that point.
	Have you ever heard of a country that wasn't a country, sign a peace treaty, then they'd be able to, no, excuse me, have you ever heard of a country that signs a peace treaty, and then another country in that same country Allowed to tear that up and make their own terms when you lose a war?
	I don't think so.
	Okay, two different quotes.
	Kamal's thoughts.
	Sorry, we don't exist anymore.
	That was 1915.
	It was not during my watch.
	It was during the Ottomans.
	However, Kamal, who ordered the troops to take Armenia by force.
	This is what I was trying to mention.
	The Armenian Genocide started April the 24th, 1915.
	However, From 1920, when Kemal was in charge of the Turkish national militants that were running their own little shadow country.
	He did not like the Treaty of Sevez.
	The Treaty of Sevez allowed Eastern Anatolia, which is the proper term that I'll try to use, not called Eastern Turkey, which was settled by Armenians, which depopulated by when they moved the people out, but was given back to him by our 28th President, Woodrow Wilson, under binding arbitration.
	Signed by the by the legitimate countries.
	He decided to send he's ordered his troops to go in there and take over land.
	Now, they took over 50% of Armenia by force during the time between the treaties.
	Armenian treaty before the Republic of Armenia, San Stefano, treaty of peace between Russia and Turkey was signed in February of 1878.
	Turkey had almost 100 years of fighting with Russia, so there was a lot of cooperation between the two.
	The Treaty of Berlin engages to carry out, without further delay, and reforms that are called by local needs in the provinces inhabited by Armenia.
	They actually put in language saying that Armenians, Circassians, and the Kurds were supposed to get some sort of better treatment to be able to have a self-governing type of enclaves inside the country.
	Remember, Sarkisians are actually from the area of Russia on the Black Sea, and one of our more famous Sarkisian people has to be Boris Johnson.
	Boris Johnson's family came from the Black Sea area.
	They moved into Turkey.
	His dad goes to the UK.
	He becomes an MP, and his son becomes a Prime Minister for a while.
	Now, here, during the Treaty of Cervez, 1920, and later during the Treaty of Lausanne, which takes over the Treaty of Cervez, who was the real government in Turkey?
	Here you see, in the Treaty of Cervez, you see the Ottoman Turkish government, who is a legitimate government of Turkey.
	They signed the Peace Treaty of Cervez.
	Here you see Mustafa Kemal a little bit later in life.
	He dies in the 30s and he says he is the real government.
	The elected, the official government for 600 years is on the left.
	The person who has been in there for six minutes is on the right.
	I want you to figure out who is the real government.
	Okay, however, it was Ottomans that were the official government of Turkey until November of 1922.
	The Republic of Turkey was not declared until October 29, 1923.
	October 29th of 1923.
	The real leader is the last sultan.
	The rebel leader is Mustafa Kemal.
	So he negotiates the Treaty of Lucerne when he's not even the real official person.
	They sign the treaty and then three months later they become a country.
	Asked for an armistice, signed the peace, and agreed to the Treaty of Sevez.
	The real leader was the Sultan.
	Again, the rebel leader is Mustafa Kemal.
	Who invaded Armenia and took over 50% of their land in 1920.
	The real leader, the Sultan.
	The rebel leader, Mustafa Kemal.
	Mustafa Kemal was the one that did this.
	What he forgot to say is he was responsible for stealing more than half of Armenia.
	Convinced that the Allies would not come to the defense of Armenia, and aware that the leaders of the Republic of Armenia had failed to gain recognition of independence by the Soviet Russia, Kemal gave the order to Khamenei to advance into Armenia-held territory.
	That's a picture of him.
	You saw a picture earlier.
	Now, we're going to talk a little bit about the Treaty of Seville.
	August 1920, Treaty of Seville, Section 88.
	Turkey, in accordance with the action already taken by the Allied powers, hereby recognizes Armenia as a free and independent state.
	Article 89.
	Turkey and Armenia, as well as I contracting parties, agree to submit to arbitration the President of the United States of America and the question of the frontier being fixed between Turkey and Armenia.
	This is why when when President Wilson actually does this later in November, this is everyone that signed the treaty here guaranteed that they would abide by that.
	Ottoman Turks signed the treaty for Turkey.
	The other rebel group decided not to follow, and then they negated the treaty.
	In the event of the termination of the frontier under Article 89 involving a transfer of whole or any part of the territory, Turkey hereby announces as the date of such decision all rights entitled over the territory so transferred.
	Article 91.
	In the event that ports and territory referred to 89 being transferred to Armenia, a boundary commission whose compensation will be termed subsequently will be constituted within three months from the delivery of the decision.
	And finally, Article 92, the frontiers between Armenia and Abidjan in Georgia will be determined in direct agreement between those states concerned.
	Direct agreement between the states concerned.
	This did not happen.
	They negated the treaty by false pretenses, and it's clearly signs right here that it should happen.
	None of this is reported by the media.
	You're hearing it here first on The Raw Deal.
	Article 93.
	Armenia accepts and agrees to embody a treaty in principle with allied powers.
	Notice.
	10 August 1920.
	Signed by Turkey of an empire.
	Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Belgium, Greece, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Czechoslovakia, Serbs, Prots, Slovenes.
	Note that the Allied powers have accepted this treaty.
	This is going to be very important.
	Here's a legal argument here we're going to bring up in a second.
	Also ignored by the Treaty of Lausanne.
	The Treaty of Lausanne was brought by Mustafa Kemal because he was upset that it gave up too much stuff from the Turks.
	Armenia accepts... Okay, excuse me.
	By ignoring Article 93, the Allied powers in signing the Treaty of Cervez negated their binding obligation to be bound by the dictates of the treaty when they signed the Treaty of Lucerne, making the original signers of the Treaty of Cervez who had signed that treaty of Lucerne complicit in being responsible for what happened to the First Republic in December of 1920 when taken over by Russia.
	These were the people that signed both treaties, right?
	I put them in red here.
	I'll try to move this up.
	Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes.
	They signed the Treaty of Lucerne too, so they are legally responsible for what's going on.
	Okay, interesting facts about the Treaty of 1920.
	Signed by legal government in Turkey, the Ottoman Empire was signed by the people I just mentioned.
	Failed to live up to their legal obligations.
	Here's a picture of Woodrow Wilson.
	This is a picture, if you can see it around here, this was all going to be Armenian.
	Including the area that we're talking about today that Abrajan said was part of Abrajan was actually given to Armenia and agreed to by treaty by those countries by none other than our 28th president Woodrow Wilson.
	Okay?
	So when the mass media comes out and says, this is a breakaway province of Abrajan, they are negating the words of our beloved Woodrow Wilson.
	Okay, ergo omus.
	I'm probably pronouncing it wrong.
	It's a Latin phrase that means towards all or towards everyone.
	In legal terminology, the rights or obligations are owed towards all.
	For instance, property rights in ergo omus is entitled and therefore enforceable against anyone infringing that right.
	In international law, it has been used as a legal term describing obligations owned by states towards a community of states as a whole.
	This obligation exists because the universal and undeniable interest in the perpetuation of critical rights and prevention of their breach.
	Consequently, any state has a right to complain of a breach.
	Example norms include privacy and genocide.
	For many years, It was unclear whether a state might have standing before the International Court of Justice to initiate proceedings against another for alleged human rights violations unless a country was somehow directly affected by a breach.
	Here we show you on the raw deal today that there was a breach upon the diplomatic protection that might be invoked or violation perpetuated by another state incurred in this territory.
	Now, this has changed for two reasons, and then we listen to some court cases.
	This court case, the Palestine concessions, Greece versus UK judgment, 1924.
	The railway case, 1939.
	Liechtenstein versus Guatemala, 1955.
	In the second, Agiwar against Aktoch, Instead of being a war against its own country, the Aji's have in fact a war against a sovereign nation, the Akkot, which is referred to and signified by signed parties of the Treaty of Surveys, according to Article 99.
	Okay.
	First point of error here.
	We're trying to make two persuasive cases.
	First point of error.
	Failure to render aid.
	Failure to render aid to allies to protect our medians of genocide that left the land, resources, and materials without compensation after having a moral and legal obligation to do so when they signed a treaty of surveillance.
	Our second point of error is locust standing.
	Failure to be a legal representative.
	The following parties, Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes had signed the Treaty of Sevedz with the official government of Turkey, the Ottoman Empire, in 1922, negotiated with the rebel government of Turkey, the Turkish National Movement, and signed the Treaty of Lausanne three months before it became the official government of Turkey.
	So, therefore, they had no standing in the matter and could not sign the treaty legally.
	Making Aktash and the Western Armenia parts of Armenia today.
	What this case is asking for, what we're trying to show out today, and what we're trying to show you on the raw deal.
	Throwing out this Treaty of Lucerne.
	Lack of standing to be able to sign for the Republic of Turkey with such lack standing.
	Establish the borders of Armenia back to Wilsonian arbitration.
	Making Western Armenia and Aktash now parts of Armenia.
	Reparation, damages, By the Turks and signers of both treaties who are complicit because of their actions.
	And again, based on the International Criminal Court, and there's like six or seven cases.
	I'll show you this.
	OK, the Treaty of Cervez.
	Main outcomes.
	It divided the Ottoman Empire into new parts and weakened it, like Germany honored the Balfour Declaration and Sykes-Picot and the Dardanelles in international hands.
	The Ottoman Sultan remained official ruler, but in Germany, like in Germany and Versailles, his army was reduced, no control of major ports, vulnerable to internal challenges, and depended upon the West.
	This is why Mustafa Kemal was able to lead a bunch of rebels.
	Here's another picture, a better picture, of the people signing at the Treaty of Cervez 1920 in Cervez, France.
	This is a picture, it's in Armenian, this actually shows the Turkish delegation as they sign.
	So you actually have official copy that the official people from Turkey signed this, not the rebels.
	Ask that to CNN or MSNBC or other people coming around.
	On the 100th anniversary of the Treaty of Sevez, 10 Armenian parties issued a joint statement deeming it necessary to shed fresh light on the possible international impact of the Sevez Peace Treaty.
	2020 marked the 100th anniversary of the signing of Treaty of Cervez and it goes through and it tries to explain that the Treaty of Cervez is actually the legal treaty and it was in no less of authority that we have the 28th President of the United States actually doing the international mandate by law dividing a country.
	Conclusions here.
	The Sevez Treaty was not just a historical fact, it's an international treaty signed between states that exists today.
	International discussions on the Sevez Treaty should be promoted in academic communities in Republic of Armenia.
	There's no other multinationally recognized international agreement between Armenia and the Republic of Turkey, which resolves the border issues between those two countries.
	On the occasion of the 100th anniversary and the arbitrary award of Woodrow Wilson, it's necessary to take these political initiatives, demonstrating the hostile policy of Turkey towards the Republic of Armenia.
	The illegal blocking of the Republic of Armenia by Turkey.
	Today we had the illegal blocking of food and stuff to go into Aktaş, the locking corridor.
	We have Azerbaijan actually doing military maneuvers on property.
	It's not their own, saying it's their own, and they're doing it through an illegal interpretation of a treaty.
	And actually it was the decision of Stalin In the early 20s, before he actually even took over as president of the USSR, he was down there trying to sell it.
	Because remember, Stalin came from gory Georgia.
	And to try to give you some clarity on this a little bit differently, today we are seeing that they're trying to represent this as a breakaway province.
	As I tried to show you so far today, this is not a breakaway province.
	This is actually a, it's a breakaway situation in which we have not learned the facts, our history teachers have let us down, and our politicians are making games on this stuff, and we're not holding up to our actual words.
	The treaty was signed, The boundaries were drawn, everything was legal.
	The rebel government went back to the UK and asked, could we renegotiate the treaty?
	I do not know of Germany trying to renegotiate the Versailles Treaty, except we end up with a war, but you know, you had that situation.
	But here, England, because they wanted to get Mosul, they wanted to get some of the Arab Some of the Ottoman Empire that had oil said, oh yeah, we'll be glad to do that, and they negated their own treaty.
	Now, you don't do stuff like this, shouldn't be able to do this, and they should be held legally responsible.
	Reasons for the conclusion 100 years later.
	Deem it necessary to shed fresh light on the possible international impact of the Cervantes Treaty.
	Express unconditional readiness to participate in the great process of national importance.
	Guys, I want to try to explain something here to everyone that's listening.
	Folks, if a treaty is not worth a print, if it's not worth a paper it's printed on, it's not really a treaty.
	We're going to do these negotiations.
	We're doing all kinds of different things.
	And you can just tear them up.
	This is not right.
	Now, combined with these facts, you're about to see a new conclusion.
	Everything that you've been taught and told for the last 100 years is based on the story.
	Not on facts, but on the narrative of the story that was constructed to benefit the countries and the people that were doing it.
	Okay?
	Today, we need to recall the narrative, and we need to take charge of it.
	There is no statute of limitation on truth.
	The truth is now and forever.
	Here is a picture of the Treaty of Seville.
	This is a picture of what you see Armenia was going to be like.
	This is what Wilson drew down here.
	Yerevan, Mount Ararat would be in here.
	This is all Eastern Turkey now.
	Trebizond was a large city.
	I guess originally it was Roman, but it was Eastern Roman for sure, and the Black Sea.
	This is the area where Aktaş is today.
	This is what western Azerbaijan is claiming.
	They claim this from the Treaty of Kars.
	The Treaty of Kars was a 1921 treaty between Russia up here and the rebel country of the Turkish national, not the Ottoman Empire, but the Turkish national Under Mustafa Kemal, you cannot sign a treaty with somebody and give up all this land.
	So what Russia said was, we will go back and this will become all of, this border right here is Armenia today.
	This is all lost.
	All this land is lost.
	All this land over here is lost.
	And that was a treaty between Russia and the rebels.
	Turkish national takeover of Western Armenian lands.
	It was illegal.
	Therefore, Armenia, Aktash, Western Armenia do hereby request diplomatic protection.
	They should be able to get diplomatic protection as a legal mechanism in which a state may seek reparation to injury of one of its nationals.
	CAUSED BY AN INTERNATIONALLY WRONGFUL ACT OF ANOTHER STATE.
	What I tried to show you today was this was a wrongful act of other states.
	Therefore, Armenia, Aktash, and Western Armenia do hereby request that current Agi blockade of the Lakin Quarter, an internationally wrongful act.
	We're going to talk about, after the break here in a moment, we're going to talk about what happened today and how that actually brings about more illegal activities.
	Under the Articles of Responsibility for States of Internationally Wrongful Acts, ARSIWA, a set of international legal principles were adopted by the International Law Commission, L I I L C 2001 article set out that the rules governing when the state is responsible for international wrongful act and consequences that flow international wrongful act is an act that is in violation of international obligation.
	Clearly today, you can see that a country cannot sign a binding treaty when they are not the legitimate government of that country.
	And this is what's happened today.
	And then just because that people want to get another treaty, then the people who signed the treaty originally, that England, France, and the Allies in that area, they negate that treaty.
	They cannot willfully do that away.
	So now at this point, they become not co-conspirators, but they actually become complicit to this illegal act.
	Okay, now this gets to be, this is kind of interesting because this is a zone where Kurdistan, Kurdistan is currently the largest native population, It's not in a country.
	And at this point, you see Abidjan up here, you see Armenia over here, you see Georgia over here, you see Persia, it's huge.
	You have Mandate of Mesopotamia.
	This will be, we see Iraq, basically.
	Mandate of Syria.
	This is a French zone, and this included the, by Adana, where we have a base.
	Uh, currently down there.
	This is the Italian zone.
	This is the Greek zone.
	This would be an international city at Constantinople.
	And this is the, uh, uh, this here was the country of Pontus, uh, named after, uh, the, uh, uh, king about the same time as, uh, Tiger in the Great.
	I think it's the sunlight.
	Okay, the Turkish rebels attack Armenia.
	I want to try to go back in history, I love history, but this is like so interesting because you can actually see how this takes place.
	While there were crippling internal disputes between the Allies, and we have political disputes here in our country, we have the Russians solidifying their USSR stuff in their country, There was one man who grabbed the opportunity.
	This man was Mustafa Kemal.
	In 1919-1920, here's Ankara.
	That's why he made the capital, because obviously he couldn't be in Constantinople, because this is occupied by English and that right afterward.
	This was Smyrna, which is near.
	This is horrible.
	When the Kemal unleashes the groups there and starts setting fire on ships.
	You see down here is where the French were in control.
	Kyrgyzstan was going to be autonomous.
	What Mustafa Kemal did first was he sent troops into here to take over all this area because he thought no one's going to defend the Armenians.
	And when he learned that America was not going to send 55 to 85,000 troops, nobody's going to stop them.
	So they come in here and take over all this first.
	Then they claim, since they're already there, we're going to negate that treaty, even though Wilson gives them that land.
	Then in 1921, they signed the Peace Treaty so it allows them to keep this land and also allows them not to be prosecuted again.
	So the Treaty of Cards was signed one day after Talat Pasha was killed.
	The Turkish nationals considered any portion of the former Ottoman lands and subsequent distribution of non-Turkish authority to be unacceptable.
	Their vow was to guarantee the safety and unity of the country.
	The Bolsheviks sympathized with the Turkish movement due to their mutual opposition to Western imperialism.
	In other words, the Turks and the Russians Fought for over 100 years against each other.
	They're trying to get the warm water port.
	If you go down to all, you go down to even the 700s, Russia or some of the Russian groups were trying to invade Constantinople.
	This is a dream that they wanted to have.
	They would love to have Constantinople.
	Then all of a sudden, enemies become friends because they're fighting against the English.
	They're fighting against that.
	Okay, so this is what happened.
	Out of a job, out of an empire, 17 November 1922.
	The last Ottoman Empire emperor, the sultan, is exiled pretty close to almost 600 years of rule, okay?
	And this is when he's walking out the door in Constantinople.
	again you have no official government between november 22 and october almost a year this is uh again you show i showed another map in It just shows dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.
	The Ottoman Empire was huge.
	We can take a look over here.
	Right before World War I, they lost most of all Southeast Europe that they controlled.
	And then you have Turkey.
	Turkey itself is a very interesting country.
	Turkey, the Turks are actually from an area right next to China.
	They migrate over here into the Anatolia, and then they take over great reams of Anatolia.
	They take over Constantinople, like I said, in 1453.
	But they have a battle of Manskir.
	In the early 11th century.
	And that pretty much does end the Eastern Roman Empire when it comes to controlling most of that.
	So the Eastern Roman Empire is shrinking and Turkey's taking over.
	First you had the Seljuk Turks and then you had the Ottoman Turks.
	And Ottoman is actually an English Mispronunciation.
	The gentleman who started that family was Osman, and somehow or another English became Ottoman, and we run with that.
	The Treaty of Kars.
	Kemal forces a treaty.
	This is what you see here.
	You don't really see all this, but actually speaking, the land... Okay.
	The land that Wilson gave them is way over to the left of right here.
	So almost to this, all the way down, all the way around, would be up to that point.
	Now, they have taken over all this.
	Now by treaty, they actually take over the rest of this thing.
	So all this becomes Turkey today.
	All because the Treaty of Kars between the Russia... Russia gains some area over here.
	Here is the area that was supposed to be Armenia, and this is where it's Aktosh today, okay?
	And that's where you come from.
	All because a treaty signed between Russia and that to solidify what really happened.
	Again, notice the date.
	10, 13, 19, 21.
	Who was the actual leader of the country of Turkey?
	Were the Ottoman Turks.
	Here you have the treaty, not between the Ottoman Turks and Russia, between the nationalists who were being supported by the Bolsheviks.
	So it's very similar to like we did in other countries.
	It's kind of like a war where Mustafa Kemal depends on being Rearmed and given stuff by by Bolsheviks.
	The Treaty of Lausanne, okay, this is going to be important to understand.
	This is the treaty that knocks out the Treaty of Cervez, which should have been the real treaty.
	Again, signed by a party that we're showing to be not here.
	The Treaty of Lausanne, there are These things here was signed by Lausanne in Lausanne, Switzerland on 24 July 1923.
	Notice it's about four or five months before, excuse me, about three or four months before the real country.
	Tres Cerveses was rejected before it had been ratified.
	Wait a second now.
	It was not ratified by the Turkish National Movement, but it was ratified by the official country.
	Wait a second now.
	Wait.
	How come we don't hold the press to this actual thing, tell what the truth really is?
	Here you get by with saying it was rejected.
	It was rejected by a non-official government.
	If all of a sudden somebody here in the States or somebody in Canada said that they were the official government, the official government still is in Washington, D.C., and the official government is still in Ottawa, Canada.
	You can't just say Calgary is the capital and come up with your own treaties.
	This is not going to work.
	The treaty was signed, ended the conflict, and defined the borders of modern Turkish state.
	Wait a second!
	And now this is kind of strange too.
	The people who signed this treaty Abrogated their own responsibilities because they said that Woodrow Wilson, the 28th president, was going to draw this.
	No, let's tear that one up too, and we're going to do it ourselves.
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	Mike, hold that thought.
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	Well, Well, today we have a very unusual program where Mike Cunningham is tracing the exceedingly complicated history between Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.
	Michael, I mean, this is Very complex.
	I think you're doing quite a remarkable job.
	Before you continue, what drew you into this study to begin with and then carry on with the Treaty of Luzon?
	Yeah, you've known me for better than a decade, I guess.
	And I'm always interested in conspiracies and coincidences.
	And I don't think these were coincidences.
	These were actually appropriated things.
	And I was writing my master's thesis.
	I'm getting a second master's.
	I was writing a master's thesis in Armenian history, so I tried to look at the U.S.
	political aspects of that, and that's when I started coming to say, oh my gosh, you know, if these things hadn't happened, things would be a lot different today.
	And then you start looking at, like, Wilson Stroke, you take a look at Henry Cabot Lodge, you look at Senator Borah, you take a look at Even depression, and then you take a look at Smedley Butler.
	All these things start back, maybe with Jekyll Island, but you start seeing a thread through all of this, and it becomes not necessarily people will say it's conspiracy, you could actually say, hey, this is why this makes sense.
	Well, my family comes from Armenia, I have Armenian relatives, So I've been very interested in that for a long period of time, and many of my Armenian relatives were really Pretty interesting.
	So I combined all those together and we started looking at this and I said, oh my gosh, this would be something that maybe Jim would be interested in because the media is not covering it at all.
	It makes perfect sense.
	And they're basically covering it up.
	And that's what I'm trying to say with this edgeside idea is that we have the truth.
	We have the ability to find the truth, but we are being told narrative that it's not necessarily true.
	So we get facts.
	So if you listen to today and at the end of this, we're going to try to take some questions, but we're also going to be able to see how this all boils together.
	It's not just 1921.
	It's not just 1923.
	It's 2023.
	And it's not just 2023.
	It's one o'clock.
	23.
	It's 2023.
	And it's not just 2023.
	It's one o'clock.
	It's four o'clock in the morning, our time today.
	So this couldn't be any more time.
	And Do continue, Michael.
	I do have a friend who resides in South Dakota.
	My name of Archie is an Armenian.
	He and I have occasionally done shows together.
	He just did one with James Corbett.
	The Armenian genocide was horrific.
	I have a photograph that is just staggering of these young girls being crucified.
	Oh yeah.
	They were virgins who were raped by the Turks and then crucified naked on the cross.
	I mean, it is stunning, Michael.
	Unbelievable.
	Yeah, it's no doubt that this is a tremendous problem and somebody needs to stand up and actually take... Nobody really went to justice on this.
	You know, the Nemesis program went around with the help of the Bolsheviks and with the help of other...
	Secret Service went around and killed some people, but that that I don't think was just enough.
	I think that they should they should be reparations.
	They should be and you can see legally now what I'm trying to develop here.
	There is a legal case that could be brought in front of the criminal court that all this stuff, this is not Turkish, this is actually Armenia, and we're good to go.
	Let's continue.
	The treaty was ratified by Turkey on 23rd August 1923.
	Now you'll notice that Turkey ratifies a treaty.
	Now, Jim, how can you ratify a treaty if you do not exist?
	Now, I'm not saying they do not exist.
	I'm saying that they say they did not exist.
	OK, so they're going to have their 100-year anniversary.
	And they didn't have their 100-year anniversary on the day you signed it.
	They signed it in October.
	Let's go next.
	OK, here's a picture of the people outside in the sun.
	Uh, with treaty.
	All happy.
	Here you go, Turkey after the Treaty of Lucerne.
	You notice that all of Western Anatolia, excuse me, all of Eastern Anatolia, all this would have been Armenia, according to our 28th President.
	Going all the way, I'm pointing my pony, you probably can't see, but from Trebizond, western Trebizond, including Van, all this area would be part of Armenia today.
	Also, you'll notice that we have a French-Turkish agreement here where they end up where we get the Air Force Base right down south of that.
	And also, Britain goes ahead and annexed Cyprus there in 1914.
	Long relationship between British and Cyprus going back to Richard Lionheart.
	Ottoman Empire, 1915.
	Here you see they're freighting people and they're saying they're taking people from the front and putting them into the rear.
	The problem is they're taking them From Istanbul, Constantinople, and putting them in the middle of the desert.
	You'll notice that mass transportation will have a large play in many cases when it comes to genocide, because this way you can kill more people.
	I've been also studying other genocides, and this is really, really horrible.
	But this is the first of the mass-produced type of genocides that you could think of.
	You could also say the Native Americans here in the United States, in the Western Hemisphere, that was different, it wasn't mechanized.
	Later used by another gentleman in the 30s.
	We must at last do with the Greeks as we did with the Armenians.
	This is Bela Pasha.
	He's an Ottoman army officer.
	And this is one of the things that they say before they set the boats on fire there in Samaria or Izmir.
	And I forget how many thousands and thousands of people died, but that was under Mustafa Kemal's order.
	Brutal war.
	Treaty of Lacerne, 1923, amended the Treaty of Seville, expelled the Greeks, Turkey recovered Eastern Thrace, Aegean Islands, Samaria, and a land along the Syrian border.
	No reparations were required, and there's no limitations, no reparations were given for all this land grab.
	And no limitations on Turkish military establishments outside the zone of the straits.
	They could build as many forts and fortifications as they want to.
	They could pretty much have any kind of control they had in their land.
	Totally negated the Treaty of Seville.
	Treaty of Lucerne, Turkish nationalists fought for an independent Turkey, drove out minorities, established a new government under Mustafa Kemal.
	He refused to recognize the treaty and wanted a new one.
	The remarkable turnaround recognized the Republic of Turkey instead of all the tiny states created by the Soviet.
	The Dardanelles Straits remained under international control.
	The border between Turkey and Iraq was going to be decided later.
	How the government of Turkey is complicit with the genocide.
	We're coming up to the 100th anniversary.
	It was established on October 29, 1923.
	Mustafa Kemal was the first president.
	However, they're officially a government band of rebels under the banner of the Turkish National Movement.
	One, caused the Ottoman government, the legal government, not to ratify the treaty.
	Wait a second.
	When they signed it, they ratified it.
	There wasn't a parliament involved, so all it had to do was the people from the Emperor.
	I mean, excuse me, from the Sultan.
	Question, how often when you are losing a side, are you able to dictate the terms or start another war to grab more land?
	Does that sound, that legally does not belong to you, and you have already legally given it up?
	In 1920, the Turkish National Movement had no official standing to ratify a treaty.
	Then, in 1922, they overthrew the Ottoman Empire by toppling the last sultan.
	Even though they were not official government, they negotiated another treaty, the Treaty of Lausanne, number four.
	Continuing, you had a rebel movement within no legal standing making agreements with the UK and Western powers over land in the Middle East simply because it benefited the West at that time.
	This is not legal nor moral.
	Number five, late summer 20, fall of 20.
	The Turkish movement went offensive under the orders of Kemal and they took over much of land historically that belonged to the Armenians and was officially part of Armenia.
	No legal argument can support this type of action.
	The first Armenian Republic fell in December of 1920.
	One of the reasons it fell, it goes back to that first couple of slides I showed you.
	The United States was going to send between 55,000 and 85,000 troops.
	They didn't send anybody.
	So, Kemal goes right in there.
	Pretty much takes over over 50% of the land.
	Russia takes over the rest.
	The whole thing falls in December 1920.
	Article 6 states, state actors immunity from prosecution from the crimes from 1914 to 1922.
	However, since they were not state actors, this was a war crime.
	As such, Armenia should be entitled by law, by reparations.
	You cannot have a treaty and pull it after the fact.
	It's expo facto.
	It takes place afterwards.
	They became a country on October 29th of 1923.
	Notice the 22 date and notice that they cannot get immunity for something that they were not a state actor in.
	That's not really ever brought up much.
	Treaty of Lausanne, Turkish nationals and nationals of other powers were signatories.
	Since the Republic of Turkey did not exist in 22 and 23 until after the treaty was signed, who did the foreign powers negotiate this treaty with?
	Would it be with the same people who were responsible for the crimes?
	Did they have the power and authority to do so?
	Either legal or moral.
	This doesn't even sound right.
	Treaty, uh, Edgeside Version of Turkish Beliefs.
	I have a video there, but we're not going to go into it.
	Distribution of Armenians in the Caucasus.
	You will notice that this is a really good one.
	You have, at this point, this was the largest part under King Triton the Great.
	King Triton II.
	This was Armenia.
	The very western part was Armenia during the Middle Ages, where they actually had the principality of Armenians.
	Armenia is one of the few countries that has three different capitals.
	It moved consistently west.
	It was always in the middle portion between two larger empires.
	After this empire falls under Pompey, Pompey comes over and takes over.
	Right before Pompey gets killed by Augustus Caesar.
	And to make a long story short, Armenia has been a principal place of The Highlands of Armenia is basically what you see right here.
	This is the high plateau around here.
	It's been one of the cradles of civilization.
	The highlands of Armenia is basically what you see right here.
	This is a high plateau around here.
	This is Lake Van, this one right here.
	Tremendous amount of Armenian population.
	It was pretty much all Armenian until the genocide, and then they start kicking people out.
	The diaspora goes.
	Today, Armenia, just like Lebanon, just like Norway, just like Ireland, they have more people live outside in the diaspora than they do in their country.
	But there's the three parts.
	Still, that part, Woodrow Wilson felt comfortable enough to draw that part in there because that was still mostly Armenian at that time.
	Okay, the Turkish position of the Armenian allegations of genocide.
	This is, I got off the Turkish website.
	This is like totally crazy and this is their narrative.
	Whether within the leading to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the genocide was perpetrated against Armenian Ottoman citizens in Eastern Anatolia.
	Ottoman Empire ruled over all of Anatolia and the significant parts of Europe, North Africa, the Caucasus and Middle East for over 700 years.
	Not quite true, but okay, cool.
	Lands once Ottoman dominions become comprised more than 30 independent nations.
	The country of ever-increasing conflict, beginning roughly in 1820 and culminating with the Republic of Turkey, October 29, 1923, characterized the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire.
	The Ottoman Empire participated in no fewer than a dozen named wars.
	Continuing down here, yet Armenians, may have attempted to excavate and isolate their history from the complex circumstances in which our ancestors were embroiled.
	In doing so, they described the world population only by white-hatted heroes and black-hatted villains.
	Heroes have always been Christians and villains are always Muslims.
	Infusing history with myth, Armenian Americans vilify the Republic of Turkey, I'll stop right there, because I could get really sick if I start putting back.
	If you saw what I've said already, everything that they say here, this is their narrative.
	None of their narrative is really true because the Republic of Turkey existed after the fact.
	The Republic of Turkey was actually a rebel country, but the Republic of Turkey was considered a terrorist country.
	They signed treaties that should not exist.
	How in the world are you vilifying something?
	How can you get yourself out and say you can't be prosecuted and you are You're crooked yourself.
	This is Christ.
	Another one, truth demands every side of the story be told.
	To oppose the Armenian Orthodox on this issue has become risky.
	Any attempt to challenge credibility of witnesses or authenticity or documents and to present evidence that some claim victims were responsible for their own fate.
	Oh my gosh, this is like crazy.
	They have changed the narrative.
	They do not want us to talk about legalities here.
	They want to talk about, and they try to make the victim out to be the criminal.
	This is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
	One of the few countries where you actually see educide going on.
	It's illegal to talk about the genocide inside of Turkey.
	They don't want to admit to it, because if they admit to it, they know in the court of law that all what we have told you and what we're about to tell you will end up costing them their country and reparation.
	Okay, demographics prove that before World War I, fewer than 1.5 million Armenians lived in the entire Ottoman Empire.
	Kind of a weird statement because what ends up happening is they take a couple studies that were probably between 8 and 10 years old at the time.
	Armenia was undercounted, just like many immigrants to the United States are not counted in our census.
	Armenians were always treated as second-class citizens.
	One of the second largest genocides that takes place in 1894-1895 was killing Armenians, and almost 500,000 people died.
	If it wasn't for almost a million people dying in the Sarkozy, it would have been the largest genocide in the 19th century and the 20th century.
	Armenian losses were few in comparison over the 2.5 million Muslim dead from the same period.
	I don't know where they get these people from, but this is kind of weird.
	They say from 1912 to 1922, 2.5 million Anatolian Muslims perished.
	Now, many of these Muslims perished because they were killed inside of a civil war.
	Many of the Muslims perished because they were Rebels, and they were being killed by their own government because they were rebelling against them, and many of them were in a war with Russia.
	So after the war, the Russians become their friends, their enemies become their own people, and they end up shooting each other.
	This is crazy.
	Okay, often cited Armenian evidence is of diminished value, having been derived by dubious and prejudicial sources.
	They try to say that our ambassador Henry Morgenthau was a dubious source.
	They say our president was a dubious source.
	They say that General Harvard was a dubious source, one of the most decorated army generals and second in command to Black Jack Pershing.
	All they do is to try to discredit people by trying to do ad hominem attacks.
	Very low level.
	The British convened the multi-tribunals to try Ottoman officials for crime against Armenia.
	Actually, it was crimes against humanity.
	There wasn't a genocide.
	I'll tell you a quick story about genocide.
	Rafael Lemke was a Polish Polish Jew who is a lawyer.
	He was in law school during the time the trial takes place in Berlin.
	The trial was a 26-year-old Armenian, had shot Talat Pasha, and his justification was that he was not a murderer, he was acting out the murder sentence.
	And because of what Talat Pasha ordered, he presented at his trial, they actually spun, the defense attorneys spun, they spun the, excuse me,
	They spun the thing to actually put the victim on trial, and he was acquitted, which is one of the most interesting trials that takes place, a three-day trial, in June of 21.
	Okay, allegation again, despite the verdicts of multi-tribunals, Armenian terrorists were engaged in A war that continues today.
	Again, we're going to talk about that at the very end.
	Fact number six.
	Archives of many nations ought to be careful and thoughtfully examined, concluding whether genocide occurred.
	They're trying to tell you that this genocide occurred.
	Very similar to 1939 MGM classic, where you see the Wizard of Oz and you see that there's a man behind the curtain.
	He said, disregard the man that you see.
	They're trying to tell you the same thing.
	Disregard the facts.
	Don't worry about the facts.
	They don't count.
	Fact number seven, the Holocaust, talking about Armenian genocide, bears no relation to the Armenian experience.
	They're trying to separate the Holocaust and this.
	We actually see some of that happening today.
	Genocide is genocide.
	Some side we could differ on how many people may have died, but killing people in the mass, you can get by with it simply because in many cases it's difficult to prove.
	Okay, this guy here was an Ottoman general Mehmet Hadi Pasha, a statesman and member of the Freedom and the Chord Party.
	He was born in Baghdad in the 1861 ethnic Albanian family.
	Early in his military career, he was an important Posted to Yaman Yarvet where he campaigned against uprisings.
	He was decorated in his service there and emerged the rank of a general in the title of Pasha.
	1909 he was declared governor of Kosovo.
	1912-1913 he defended Istanbul against Bulgarians.
	He retired as Ottoman military before the First World War.
	And he serves as a senator and cabinet twice.
	He was a gentleman that negotiated the Treaty of Seville.
	He was rich in tradition of the Ottoman Empire.
	He was trusted by the Sultan, and he is the official legal representative that signed the treaty.
	So there is actually a person there.
	He was, when he become Pursanan Nangrata, when Mustafa Kemal takes over, he does 150 of the head people and said, you're no longer a person.
	They put him out in exile.
	He dies in exile.
	But it should be a profound courage to stand up for what he did.
	Okay, how the Turkish National Movement began.
	The MSA Circulator was June 22, 1919.
	Unity and independence of the nation is great at risk.
	Number one.
	Number two.
	Government of Istanbul cannot fulfill its responsibilities.
	Number three.
	Independence of a nation should be saved by determination and solidarity of the nation.
	Number four.
	To take in consideration the situation of the nation and conduct the present National Committee for Restraints of Inspection.
	Number five.
	To decide Congress must promptly be held in the safest place.
	Number six, for this purpose, three delegates who have won the trust of the public are quickly as possible need to immediately depart.
	Number seven, acknowledge that they may be faced with unfavorable situations in this mission.
	Number eight, a Congress will be held on the 10th of July for the eastern provinces.
	Basically, this is the declaration that they are declaring their independence from Turkey.
	Unfortunately, just like in America, we had to wait for our Constitution until we became a country.
	Even though we were an Articles of Confederation, you cannot be a legal country until you become one.
	Okay, the Congress of August 1919.
	On August 1st, 1919, the King Crane Commission, which I mentioned before, tried to contact a large group of interested parties in Constantinople to obtain their positions with a view towards reporting them back to the Paris Peace Conference.
	Kazan, the gentleman who ended up attacking Armenia, Learned that the memorandum was adopted by a group of political groups in Constantinople and subsequently the Congress had been held in session from 23rd July to August the 7th to send a memorandum to President Wilson.
	It was probably also meant to remind all parties that Wilson's 14 points and the fact that the nationalists were aware of them.
	Among the objectives of nationalists was to appear to signal the resolve of the nationalists to the interests of parties to display their intent not to tolerate an indiscriminate political pressure.
	They're not going to pressure down.
	They want Wilson to say that they want to take over the government.
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	Okay.
	If I make one comment, because I'm going to go off the...
	Mike, yeah.
	Yeah, Mike, let me introduce you.
	But let me say, we're going to open the lines of callers at 540-352-4567.
	Now, Mike, during the break I went online and there are all kinds of photographs of the Armenian genocide.
	I mean, How could anyone deny it?
	There's a collection called Iconic Photographs of the Armenian Genocide.
	There's another collection of photographs of the Armenian Genocide.
	I don't see that specific stunning one of the crucifixion of the young girls that I saw.
	Remember what I was trying to tell you about today, and then you can ask you the question why.
	You had the Turks that did not want to do it because they basically are not really a country.
	And if people found that out, then most of everything they're going by will crater.
	That's one.
	Number two, you have the English and the French who don't really want to do it because they could actually be sued in the International Criminal Court because they're going to be complicit because they ended up making a treaty that was illegal and tearing up a real treaty.
	So you have sides that for one reason or another, the narrative has always been, we're just going to kind of overlook this and this happens.
	This is one of the reasons why Armenia has been fighting for so many years.
	In fact, in 1919, the Senate actually came out with a joint resolution saying that it was a massive bad thing.
	And then under Reagan, he mentions it in a 1981, May, I think, 15th proclamation saying that we remember the Armenian Genocide.
	And Joe Biden, a couple years ago, actually, officially put the United States on that case.
	Go ahead.
	I just want to ask you why the Turks were so brutal.
	I mean, this is a slaughter.
	I mean, it was with No, no mercy.
	I mean, this was ruthless.
	What drove this?
	I really have a hard time wrapping my mind around it.
	The Ottoman Turks controlled an area in which they were not the majority population.
	Even in Anatolia, there were large pockets of people, and the largest happened to be Armenians.
	Armenians were very successful in artisans, craftsmen, and had a lot of wealth.
	So they tried to turn that and say Turkey for the Turks.
	The problem is they had to get rid of people and they tried that in 1894-95 to get rid of people and didn't really work out.
	One of the things that's really kind of crazy when Mehmet II, Mehmet the Conqueror, took over Constantinople, he had to invite Armenians to come back in because they end up becoming the population had gone from several million down to about 40,000 and they had to rebuild the city was basically Armenian.
	So Armenia has played a real big role.
	Now the problem is they also put extra taxes on Armenians.
	They wouldn't allow people to do that.
	They burned churches by Forcing the people to close the doors and burning down the whole church.
	They're just absolute horror stories.
	Most of it was done by bullets and that.
	So remember, it wasn't gas.
	It wasn't anything else.
	It was bullets and hand-to-hand type of thing.
	So this is brutal.
	It was meant to scare people.
	And it's happening today.
	And that's what I want to talk about.
	This is from today's news.
	It's breaking news.
	1 p.m.
	Yerevan time, or 1 p.m.
	Aktosh time, Russia broke a ceasefire between Abidjan and that.
	This is a church, they were, in one day, they had a one-day war in which I think 200-something people were injured, 20-something people were killed, a bunch of children were killed.
	It's very close to coming to a second genocide again.
	And I'd actually say it was, but I can show you something in a second.
	According to the agreement issued by President Consul through the Akash Info Center, number one, Russia peacekeeping contingent station in Akash was successfully mediated an agreement for a complete cessation of hostilities starting at 1300 p.m.
	today.
	Number two, additionally, it has been agreed that upon remaining units of servicemen and armed forces of the Republic of Armenia will withdraw from the deployment zone of the Russian peacekeeping contingent.
	This withdrawal includes the disbandment and complete disarmament of armed formations of the Defense Army of Aktosh, as well as prompt removal of heavy equipment and weapons from the territory of Matters concerning a reintegration and protection of rights and security for the Armenians in Aktosh, as well as issues related to the livelihood of the Aktosh population within the framework of the Constitution of Abidjan, will be discussed in accordance with agreement.
	Representatives of the local Armenian population, representatives of the central authorities of the Republic of Abidjan, will hold these discussions in a meeting scheduled to take place in the city, uh, I can't pronounce it right, in September 21, 19, uh, 2023.
	So two days, or one day, we're going to have negotiations.
	They get everything that they want.
	The problem is they're predicated on a narrative that is not true.
	Mike, Mike, Mike.
	I want to invite my producer, Mitchell, to comment.
	He's been absorbed by your whole presentation.
	Mitchell, I'd love to have your comments and any questions you have for Michael.
	Mitchell, are you there?
	Well, I'm hoping everyone...
	Michael, go ahead.
	Lay out the rest of what you'd like to say.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I was going to try to go back to the slide, but the Fresno Bee in January quoted the source saying that this is a second genocide.
	There's an Argentinian judge who is on the International Criminal Court, and he was Given the task to write up a report on what's happening currently, on December the 12th in the Lackin Corridor, the Russian peacekeepers kind of walked away and they had protests.
	And the protests were over some ecology deal or something.
	So they said they weren't going to allow any traffic.
	Since December 12th, they hadn't really allowed any traffic to go in and out.
	It's only one road in, one road out to this area, unless you go over all these different mountains.
	It's high mountain type of area.
	It'd be like Colorado.
	Not real high high, but not like the Himalayas, but you know, 12-14,000 feet or whatever.
	And it's only one way in, one way out.
	You can guard it pretty easily.
	So they didn't have food.
	120,000 Armenians didn't have food, didn't have medicine.
	Everything's going really bad.
	They're trying to get a hold of everybody's attention.
	No one's paying any attention.
	Very similar to what happened with Wilson and them.
	Well, Wilson Wilson filled around and of course.
	Unfortunately, probably had his stroke and at some point.
	And he couldn't really do anything.
	The American Republican Senators didn't do anything.
	This is a humanitarian issue that we're going to end up losing 120,000 more people, and you're going to see another big slaughter just like that.
	But the gentleman from Argentina actually said that this was a genocide when you starve people to death.
	Michael, I got my producer here now.
	Mitchell, I'd really like your thoughts and comments about what Michael has been presenting today.
	Oh, it's, it's great, Jim.
	It's, uh, it's the only in-depth, um, discussion that I've seen about what is really going on in Turkey and Azerbaijan and Armenia.
	Um, and what I find strange is, um, I would call it a historical echo, I guess, in a way.
	Where, um, you know, there are different ways to genocide cultures and groups of people.
	And I, I really think that he had, Michael has really, you know, laid out, um, uh, you know, the bare facts of what happened and how, um, We're not careful.
	And this is me adding this on.
	I mean, are we seeing a parallel or an echo today, you know, of, you know, basically, you know, the genocide of American culture, the genocide of European culture?
	Is that one of the things that we're seeing today?
	I guess that's where I extrapolate this discussion, where it goes for me.
	Yeah, you're exactly right.
	And what I turned in my master's thesis is called exercise.
	They have a narrative.
	And if you don't go in that narrative, they're going to ostracize you.
	And I don't want to belittle anything.
	We could talk about almost anything.
	We could talk about, you know, Education, you know, I have a certain narrative.
	We're trying to teach towards a test.
	We're trying to teach towards this.
	We're not teaching towards learning.
	Why are we not teaching towards learning?
	If we're teaching towards learning, we would change things.
	We don't want things to change.
	We want things to stay the same.
	In legal terms, it's called difference.
	We want to defer back to what we were trying to say.
	Don't confuse you with facts.
	Heaven sakes, no.
	You know, this whole thing I present today, Could easily, if you could explain it in an hour or whatever, you could have Ronald Reagan talk, it would be much better than me talking, but you could explain in terms that people understood and they would be woke up so much, you know, you talk about woke generation, they would be laughing at a country whose capital is Uh, in, uh, I would call Constantinople, but they would call Istanbul.
	Uh, there is no way that any of their narrative even holds thing, but we are so worried because, uh, uh, treaties, or we are so worried because of military entanglements, or we are so worried about different things like that.
	You take back to George Washington.
	Why did George Washington say not to get entangled in, in all these different things?
	But maybe George Washington, uh, Fortuitous on his stuff.
	You know, you take a look at Woodrow Wilson.
	It's considered to be a very good president to many people, but if you start taking apart some of his policies, he stood there and did nothing.
	Very similar to what our current president is not doing anything to help out this.
	And we're doing it with other countries as well.
	But then we take one country, the Ukraine for example, and we cannot give them enough stuff.
	So how is that even right on any different level?
	It's the narrative that's different.
	We need to start looking at the narrative and find out what is really true.
	I know that you say a raw deal, or you could say truth, but somebody needs to be concerned about the truth, and nothing but the truth, and I think we can separate all that out.
	But you're exactly right.
	When MacArthur, or I think it was, actually, excuse me, Winston Churchill, you know, talked about history repeating itself, and he was actually repeating some other quote that was there.
	It's not necessarily history repeats itself, it's that people never learn from history, and we keep on doing the same mistakes over and over, and I could tell you the same in the 20s.
	We can't have endless wars, you know, you can't mediate stuff, you know, and we have this involved hatred, and we still have hatred towards stuff, and that's just a way to control people.
	It's nothing more than control.
	And, you know, today, if they would have told you that Western Anatolia, I mean, Western Armenia is actually Turkey, and then people say, oh, you can't see them.
	Mitchell, Mitchell, I want more of your thought.
	Excellent.
	More.
	Well, you know, you know, it's it's the new War.
	We don't have, you know, Ukraine war directly, you know, on the big scale, that World War, major powers coming together, like we have in Ukraine.
	That's not the standard, real standard of warfare today.
	You know, the standard of warfare, you know, is death by a thousand cuts.
	It's, you know, it's Hijacking someone's, um, cyber systems, hijacking their government and having, um, you know, uh, an indirect conflict.
	And today people are baffled with bullshit and government and the media systems that are pushing these agendas.
	And that's what it is.
	You know, It's terrible to say it, but it's close to full-blown fascism.
	Real classical fascism.
	Not the Antifa, fascistic claims, you know, of how, you know, from Antifa and others and the rhetoric that's pushed.
	You know, the definition of something And what it really is has been separated through this propaganda system that they put in.
	And as you aptly put, you know, they basically lie to people, they give them malinformation, misinformation, and disinformation, and they kill the culture, and they kill the people It has to be done on purpose too, Mitchell.
	They show that, you know, the CIA director William Casey, you know, his mission was to essentially create a new reality of lies that people would embrace.
	And now people, the only thing that people do know is the government lies They really don't know the truth, if that makes any sense.
	Oh yeah, and when you can't tell the truth from their narrative, then they got you, because you don't question anything.
	So most of the time, people will just go like sheep and follow, and that's exactly what they want.
	Whether it be some of the things that Jim talks about all the time, or some of the things I'm talking about, It's that it is a genocide of education, a genocide of culture, which I call educide, because it's purposely done to make people just really not question anything or think.
	Oh, that's absolutely right.
	You know, we can see that in this transsexual agenda that they're pushing in schools.
	And I think what's so important is that in the long term, When you knock something or someone or a society off their base.
	Right.
	Once they've been knocked off their base and they are affected through their entire lives.
	So they grow from, you know, maybe being knocked off a little bit of the road to really traveling an entire journey that they really should have never traveled because of the lies and the deception That they were educated in, you know?
	It's the most serious types of mind control that we have today.
	Oh yeah, you know, Edward Bernays would probably be very proud.
	All the propaganda and stuff going around because the United States has gotten really good.
	You mentioned a very stellar point, especially when it's trying to knock you off the control mechanism.
	When you talk about fascism or you're talking about stuff like that, they want to have a system where you do not ever question.
	Because once you start questioning, you figure out it's not true.
	It doesn't even make any sense.
	Like, uh, even mentioning about the Treaty of Seville.
	Let's talk about real quick.
	Well, we just did another treaty and did away with it.
	Well, you can't legally do that kind of stuff.
	Okay?
	No one's really questioned that.
	No one's taken it to the International Criminal Court.
	They should.
	Why isn't somebody media?
	You know, we have a deal right now.
	Vice News out in Salt Lake City is doing a big story on Tim Ballard.
	And, you know, you had that movie about him and stuff like that.
	And he's got all kinds of claims and stuff like that.
	That's important, and there's nothing wrong with it.
	But there's many more things, much more important, and one of them happening today.
	We could be embroiled into a large war with Russia.
	Russia's got like 20,000 peacekeepers over in that area.
	They're not legally doing anything right.
	We should stand up for doing so.
	Why don't we have action on our government to stand up for what is more unlegal?
	If President Biden came out and said the genocide was right, why didn't he stand up and say, well, that treaty was wrong too?
	We weren't signers of it.
	We never declared war again.
	Why didn't we never declare war against the Ottoman Turks?
	You know, that's another deal.
	You know, why in 1916 did he beat Charles Hughes?
	And he just won because Hiram Johnson out in California, the governor of California, he got just enough votes to win over.
	If he had gone into war, Wilson would have never won the second term because what Wilson got was a lot of very liberal people that did not, his slogan was, kept us out of the war.
	And they actually thought so.
	Less than a month later, after he was inaugurated, we declared war against Germany.
	We declared war against Germany because of U-boats.
	The Lusitania was sunk in May of 1915.
	Almost two years later, we declare war.
	Unrestricted warfare of U-boats?
	Come off it, folks.
	He was just worrying about his election.
	Anyone worry about the Armenian people?
	164 articles about Armenian genocide appeared in the New York Times in 1915-1916.
	Henry Morgenthau had talked to Lansing and talked to William Jennings Bryan beforehand, the two Secretaries of State.
	They knew all about what's happening.
	We look the other way.
	You could say the same with Secretary of State and some stuff during Roosevelt administration.
	Mike, I don't understand how there can be denial of the genocide when there are hundreds of photographs.
	I mean, I'm just staggered by the bodies, the massacre.
	I mean, it's thoroughly archived right here.
	I found four different collections, each of which has a hundred or more photographs.
	I mean, it's just staggering.
	And there's a lot of written testimony, and even more so, there are orders.
	I can show you orders.
	It's a whole other story.
	I can show you orders from Tallulah Pashtun.
	He signed and said that we want to get rid of the Armenians.
	Do not let the Armenians complain.
	Let them complain when they end up where they're going, because they can't complain because they will no longer be in existence.
	Okay, you know, we want to get rid of Christians.
	Do not worry about adopting out Christian children because they're not going to be alive when they get to the end of the line.
	You know, these are not, these are, these aren't my words.
	These are actually words of the people in charge.
	That's why he was convicted at the Malta Tribunal in absentia.
	That's why it was turned upon him in 1921 in the Berlin court to say, yeah, a reasonable person has come to those conclusions every time they see it.
	And this was one of the most documented genocides because the Germans were helping out there, and they were taking all kinds of pictures.
	So you had German cameras, German people, send them out to Western parts, and the United States, since we weren't really at war with them ever, and Henry Morgenthau was stationed there, he got to talk to Talapasha, and Talapasha tells him straight up, We don't worry about the Armenians.
	And then what's really bad, the Ottomans had the audacity to collect the insurance policies because they weren't going to be insurance policies on Armenians because they're already dead.
	We have only a couple of minutes.
	I'd like for you to give a summary overview of what you take to be the overarching significance of the developments you've been tracing here today in such detail.
	Overall significance is this, that words matter, that a country is only as good as words, and treaties matter.
	And when we get a narrative that does not tell us the truth, and we continue on that narrative, we are forced to actually go against what is the truth.
	So today, what I'm trying to start here today is to start, I actually called it a petition, but we're not going to talk about that.
	We are trying to Get the truth out there so people won't get a raw deal anymore.
	And people actually know that in this case here, this is not a breakaway province, Abidjan.
	This was actually, and Turkey is not even a legitimate government.
	All you have to do is look at what I said, go and screen it.
	You can see it yourself.
	You can see about the genocide took place.
	They signed treaties with themselves to excavate themselves from being convicted on crimes that they did.
	What, what, what court would do that?
	What court would allow the criminal to come in and plead guilty and then allow them to sentence them to, uh, hey, you get out of here.
	It's fine.
	I can go kill millions of people and I won't get prosecuted.
	This is, this is totally crazy.
	Mitchell, do you have a further reflection you'd like to add?
	Well, Michael's absolutely right, Jim.
	Words matter, and because so often people are caught up in their subconscious programming that's been laid and down there in place already, we end up psychologically compromised.
	We end up brainwashed, you know, whether it's Jim Jones or Charlie Manson or The Democrat Party or the Republican Party?
	Brainwashing and brainwashing.
	I think we have about 30 seconds or so left, Jim.
	Well, I just can't think.
	Michael Cunningham enough.
	Yeah, Michael, add a final parting thought.
	Well, all I want to say this is.
	Two of my students and they would like to try to do some things like our next generation in the future.
	This is Lillian and this is Kate and they're here and they're ready to grasp at some stuff and we're working on some projects together and we're going to present them to you so we can.
	Excellent, Michael.
	I look forward to it.
	I'm always open to your proposals.
	I think you're doing excellent work.
	Mitchell, thank you for just wonderful commentary, adding to the complexity or understanding the complexity of these events today.
	Very well done, my friend.
	Michael, let me know.
	We'll be glad to have you back.
	We'll talk to you later.

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