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Sept. 12, 2023 - Jim Fetzer
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The 9/11 MYTH - Tara Crete interviews James Fetzer on Sacred Valley
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Sacred Valley Podcast.
My name is Tara Creight.
I am your host.
This is a place where you're going to hear opinions, reflections, conspiracies, and even some solutions, but all things sacred.
I can't think of anything more sacred than our sovereignty and our God-given rights that have been severely diminished and removed Since this major false flag event occurred 22 years ago.
My guest today, James Fetzer.
I don't think you need an introduction, but I'm going to give you a short one.
For those of you who may not know, James has quite a background, including he's an author of tons of books on many topics like the JFK assassination, the Sandy Hook hoax, 9-11, and so much more.
He is a McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota.
He founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth.
He's a researcher, a pioneer, and all things controversial, all the events that have taken place over the decades.
James, I'm really honored to have you here.
Thanks for being on Sacred Valley.
Well, Tara, that was a delight.
And yes, I do have actually 40 books, but the most important are actually edited rather than authored.
Because I pioneered bringing together groups of experts to sort out what really happened with JFK, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, and many, many more, even including the moon landing.
Oh my gosh.
So I have a question.
I think I'm going to ask it first instead of wait, because you just gave me a great segue.
If you could choose any one of those events that you've covered, any one of these false flag events, to be completely exposed 100%, if you could just pick one of them, James, what would it be?
Well, I think it would have to be JFK, because that was a pivot point that turned our history into one where every president knew he was serving at the end of a rifle.
The official story was complete fabrication.
Lee Oswald was actually standing in the doorway of the book depository when the JFK motorcade came by, which means he not only cannot have been the lone demented gunman, but he cannot have been one of the, it turns out to be, eight shooters in Dealey Plaza that day.
Eight of them.
Boy, I've never heard that before.
Wow.
So I think that's a really good one to pick because it happened so long ago.
And I don't think that if JFK, the assassination, didn't occur, we wouldn't be where we are today.
Just like I believe if 9-11 didn't occur, I don't think COVID could have happened.
Like everything has just kind of built upon one another over time.
What do you think about that?
Yeah, I agree, and the second I would have put was 9-11, because that was an operation inspired by Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Umar, both of whom served as PMs of Israel.
Netanyahu, who has more political lives than a cat in that capacity today, Back in the 1980s, to devise a way to create a pretext to bring American military into the geopolitically sensitive region of the Middle East to take out the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran,
It didn't work out because the democratically elected president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, invited Russia and Iran to come to its aid, which they did.
But the fact is, this was an Israeli plot supplemented by the CIA, the neocons, the Department of Defense, and the Mossad, believe it or not.
Dick Cheney appears to have been the executive director of 9-11 in a bunker beneath the White House, as Michael Rupert laid out based upon publicly available sources in his magisterial work, Crossing the Rubicon.
You know, so let's talk about some of the absurdities because it's fitting because yesterday was 9-11 and, you know, I studied 9-11, James, independently after probably Maybe starting to, maybe when Loose Change came out.
Remember when that original?
Yes.
That was amazing, right?
So that was great.
And then there was just so many documentaries.
So I've done so much independent research.
And you know, I was on a show yesterday, I was co-hosting, and we had a guest on who was just, I swear he was hired by the cabal themselves, because he came on and he was just reinforcing the official narrative about the 19 Saudi Arabians with box cutters.
And he was not having any of the conspiracy truths that we were mentioning.
There's still a huge population, James, of people who just are never going to see the light of 9-11.
It doesn't matter how much proof you give them.
Terrace John found it just this morning on the Gateway Public.
Larry Johnson is really quite a sophisticated guy, was endorsing how he knew a plane had hit the Pentagon, and believe it or not, he was featuring a piece of fuselage that it's undamaged, not exposed to any intense fire, not crumpled, and entwined is a piece of vine, not indigenous to the Arlington, Virginia area, We're a retired attorney from Columbus, Ohio.
James Hansen tracked it back to a crash near Columbia, Cali, Columbia in 1995, where the plane hit the side of the mountain and passed through a jungle where this vine grows in abundance.
I mean, that Larry Johnson Would be played is, to me, unbelievable and insulting.
And get this, I put up a post about it, explained what he got wrong, and they took it down as spam!
The Gateway Pundit!
The Gateway Pundit!
Believe me, I'm not done with this.
This is outrageous.
This is what I'm talking about.
There's a cognizant dissonance, but I think it's even stronger than that because yesterday White presented all kinds of truth, all kinds of proof.
You know, Building 7 coming down on its own footprint.
President Bush announcing on the White House lawn that they were using explosives.
I mean, you name it.
It didn't matter.
Nothing.
I said, he actually waved the 9-11 Commission book in front of me and I said, hold on a second.
How many buildings fell that day?
He said three.
I said, okay, so why wasn't the third one even mentioned in that book?
And he didn't skip a beat.
James, it was so frustrating.
So I don't know.
Do you believe, do you think we're ever going to get the truth revealed about any of these events, especially 9-11?
Oh yeah, yeah, but you've got to go to the alternative media to find it.
I mean, if you're waiting for mainstream, forget it.
The mainstream, by the way, is completely dominated by Israel.
I have a panel of 100 executives from CNN, every one of whom is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen, and another panel from NBC, every one of whom is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen, another panel from the New York Times.
Every one of them is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen.
So when you have an event that Israel sponsored and made come about, and there were some 200 Israeli agents in New York at the time.
There were very elaborate plans.
They were going to blow the Lincoln Tunnel, the Holland Tunnel, the Brooklyn Bridge.
They were going to isolate Manhattan as an island.
If it were not for the superb work of the New York City police, a lot of that would have happened, which they were able to put to an end.
And then you had Michael Chertoff, who was another dual U.S.-Israeli citizen, as an assistant attorney general of the United States, send the five so-called dancing Israelis, who were observed in Liberty State Park celebrating as they filmed the destruction of the Twin Towers, They were arrested.
They had box cutters, money, traces of explosives, and so forth in their van, which had a diagram of a plane hitting the Twin Towers.
He sent it back to Israel, and they appeared, three of them, on Israeli television, acknowledging they were there to document the destruction of the World Trade Center, which obviously implied foreknowledge, confirming again from another perspective that, in fact, it was an Israeli op from A to Z.
So you don't believe that they were successful in their mission, though?
Well, they made a hell of a difference.
We did send the forces down there.
We destroyed a whole lot of these modern Arab states, like Iraq.
There was no reason to attack Iraq.
Even the claim, of course, that Afghanistan had been involved.
Osama bin Laden terror was our man in Afghanistan.
He was instrumentally getting stinger missiles into the hands of the Mujahideen.
An officer in the CIA, Colonel Tim Osman, an official from the agency, even visited him in a hospital in Dubai shortly before his death from his medical maladies on 15 December 2001.
It's tough to get dialysis machines in and out of those caves in Afghanistan.
He was buried in an unmarked grave by the 26th.
CNN and Fox had both caught up and reported that Osama Bin Laden was dead.
But Barack Obama found it politically expedient to resurrect him and have him die again in a fake raid on a compound in Pakistan so he could present himself for a triumphal re-election as the man who got the most wanted man in the world.
Insulting beyond belief.
But the American media, of course, played it just to the hilt.
Oh, they did.
But do you remember, didn't they claim that they dumped his body in the sea somewhere over in the Middle East?
Right, right.
Talk about an absurdity.
They photoshopped a photo to put on these layers of wounds and injuries.
But dumping the body at sea is not in accordance with Muslim condition, even though they claimed at the time that it was.
And in the meanwhile, as a founder of Scholars, I was maintaining our website.
The archival aspects of which are at 911scholars.org, but where I have a lot of information on our discussion forum at 911scholars.ning, N-I-N-G dot com.
You can go there and do search and find all kinds of documents and records related to 9-11.
Including an affidavit by our nation's most distinguished pilot, John Lear, about how it was aerodynamically impossible for planes traveling at the speed found in the videos approaching 175 that it would physically come apart in the air.
Because the air there is three times as dense as at 35,000 feet, so they'd assume the cruising speed at 35,000 feet could be achieved at 700 to 1,000, but the air is three times more dense, and instead of being able to suck it through the turbines, they function as brakes.
The plane would have come apart in the air.
Pilots for 9-11 Truth have a brilliant documentary entitled 9-11 Intercepted, And they give an animated variation of how the plane would have come apart in the air.
And then, of course, we have further proof of fakery because there are no collision effects when Flight 175 enters the tower.
If you look at either the Hezirkani or the Abbott and Fairbanks which was taken looking The plane passes its entire length into the building in the same number of frames it passes its entire length through air, which is physically absurd unless a massive 500,000 ton steel and concrete building provides no more resistance to the trajectory of an aircraft in flight than air.
And we know, Tara, the damage done by little tiny planes when they're hit by aircraft.
It can make massive damage.
The front nose is the most fragile part of an airplane.
They had a hand-eye coordination problem.
The nose actually pops out the other side of the building for impossible.
And then they faded to black, Tara.
They faded to black.
They knew they screwed up and then they pretended it didn't happen.
Yeah, the plane melted into these steel girders and, you know, you mentioned Michael Chertoff before.
I'm going to tell you a little aside because not long after, and the reason, I think one of the many reasons, James, it's probably multifaceted as to why they planned out this event.
But, you know, the USA Patriot Act came out, what, mere weeks after this event.
And that's when our rights and our liberties really started to get eroded.
And Michael Chertoff, as you remember, he created those machines in the airports where we have to go through and put your hands up.
And I have never to this day gone through one, and I never will.
Every time I go to the airport, I subject myself to this thing.
You know, they pat me down.
I pretend I have a rotator cuff injury from yoga.
I've never gone through one of his machines, and I never will ever in my life.
I do have a rotator cuff injury.
But Perry, you're absolutely right.
Those are scanners.
Those will do damage.
Those will induce cancer.
You know, they wanted to have those in every school, every hospital, every public building, every library, Chertoff.
Went into the business and has made a fortune.
I think that's a subliminal aspect of the school shootings.
I mean, directly, they're orchestrated in order to justify sabotaging the Second Amendment.
But a secondary is that Chertoff wants to make millions by installing these screeners at every school in the country—elementary, secondary, college.
I mean, it's outrageous what's going on here.
In fact, if you took away the gun deaths that are occurring in five leading Democrat-controlled cities—Chicago, L.A., Detroit, Philadelphia, for example—the United States would rank around 193rd in gun violence over 196 nations of the world.
In other words, it's actually very low, except for the absurd policies of the Democrats We think that taking guns away from law-abiding citizens is going to promote their safety.
Nothing could be more the opposite.
In fact, Americans use guns to defend themselves against assailants millions of times every year, saving an estimated 200,000 lives per annum.
Compare that with the actual gun violence number of deaths.
It's about 75,000 a year, over half of which are suicides.
So say, call it 30-35,000.
You're saving 200,000 lives!
If you took guns away from them so they couldn't defend themselves, the number would be staggering.
There's so much.
There's so many intricacies and absurdities.
I really should call this, you know, the absurdities of 9-11.
You were talking about, you know, the simulations that were done.
And I've flown some planes before.
I typically jump out of them.
I've been a professional skydiver for a really long time.
But the flight path alone, if you try to, especially to the Pentagon, right?
It just went in this absurd route in order to get to that one area of the Pentagon that There were still some people in it because some people did perish.
But that's the area, the one-fifth of the Pentagon, that was being worked on.
They're doing construction.
And that's also where all of that money went missing, isn't it?
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes, yes, yes.
It was the West Wing.
It was the only one that had been nuclear reinforced.
That's the wing that was wrapped of personnel in property, except for Donald Rumsfeld had announced the day before a missing $2.3 trillion from the budget.
That's a very odd thing to do early in the week because an experienced politician knows the story is going to grow legs, as it said, and become a big deal.
Can I play that really quick?
Let me play that, James.
It's 30 seconds long.
Yeah.
Uh, you got it.
We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain.
Tangled in our anchor chain.
Our financial systems are decades old.
According to some estimates, we cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars in transactions.
We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of different technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible.
We maintain 20 to 25 percent more base infrastructure And we need to support our forces.
And an annual waste of time.
So I'm going to stop it there.
So what date was that, James?
That was September 10th, 2010.
It was 9-10.
It was 9-10.
It was the day before.
The day before.
It's as though we knew something were going to happen that would intervene and he'd be able to waltz into Congress and ask for hundreds of billions more in defense spending, which is exactly what happened.
He directed that the crew that was doing the research—budget analysts, accountants, financial experts—all assemble in the West Wing with all the records related to the $2.3 trillion so they could be taken out by the missile that was fired by an unmanned aerial vehicle as it approached the building, which, by the way, Tom Fitton has just released, having obtained under Freedom of Information Act from the Pentagon.
You can see it happen.
Previously, the Pentagon had released only five frames, but it's a whole video, and you can actually see this plane.
I'd had a JFK guy, Jack White, assist me by sizing an image of a 757 to the tail of this vehicle.
You can see it in the frame, and it turns out the 757 is more than twice as large.
It's clearly not a 757.
Dennis Camino, a brilliant guy with great experience in the military and with all kinds of weapons, identified it as a Global Hawk.
This is an unmade aerial vehicle made out of synthetic material that fired the missile into the West Wing to kill the budget analysts.
When I looked at the casualty list, I was astonished there were, of the alleged 120, most of whom are fake, you'd have 36 bona fide budget analysts and accounts who'd been killed when they wiped the slate clean of that 2.3 trill.
And we never questioned it.
Everyone forgot about it.
You know, we forgot about everything that happened the day before 9-11 occurred.
Fun fact about Donald Rumsfeld.
I've spent many, many years with the Rumsfelds.
My boyfriend back in the 90s, his family were very connected in D.C.
His dad was the former Secretary of Defense under Ford in the 70s.
And they were best friends with Rummy and Joyce and everyone.
And I spent years vacationing in their homes, staying with them.
I really believe, James, that because 9-1-1 happened after, 9-11 happened after I was no longer with him.
I think that if I had stayed, I don't know what would have happened because I was very vocal toward Donald Rumsfeld.
He was kind of a braggart.
He was bragging one night at dinner about how he had killed two elk up in the mountains.
And you know, you're only supposed to take one.
But he has such bravado and he has such power.
He just thinks he can do whatever he wants.
Well, I got up from the table, I slammed my dining chair in and I stomped down to my bedroom.
I was a little bit impetuous back then.
So I just wonder what I would have done.
I would have questioned him.
I would have been, you know, I don't know what would have happened.
So I'm actually kind of glad that I wasn't there and he wasn't in my life anymore.
But interesting times.
I had no idea he would play such an important role, you know, in the future of our country.
I am very impressed, Hera.
Listen, when the plan came to attack Iraq, everyone thought it was peculiar because Iraq, so far as they knew, had nothing to do with it.
And of course, Iraq had nothing to do with it.
He should have been attacking Afghanistan.
In fact, we went to war with Afghanistan, declared war just three weeks later.
But he said, no, there was nothing to hit in Afghanistan.
He wanted Iraq because it was a target-rich environment.
And of course you have Saddam Hussein there, who had all these magnificent palaces.
Iraq is one of the oldest civilizations in the world.
It was shocking how it was just slaughtered.
It was completely outrageous.
There are several aspects to this, including that I have a friend, Susan Lindauer, who is a CIA asset and a liaison to Saddam Hussein.
And they had a conversation before the invasion, the attack on Iraq, where Saddam said, look, I'll be glad to buy 10 million, a million cars a year from the United States for the next 10 years to avoid this attack.
And as she was about to leave, he said, and if that's not enough, make it 20.
Well, what's fascinating about that, Tara, is automobiles have an economic multiplier effect because you're buying a whole bunch of different kinds of products, stereos, leather, tires, blah, blah.
Military contracts, which are very specialized, they go to the very same companies over and over, very specialized equipment.
It does not have a multiplier effect.
So when you do these deals with Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, you're really increasing the pockets of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, but you're not benefiting the economy, which Saddam was proposing would benefit the economy.
But get this, too.
On April 7, 2003—this is just three weeks into the Iraqi operation—a B-1 bomber pilot was given a change of coordinates.
They hit a restaurant on the outskirts of Baghdad, and he dropped Four, these bombs, 500-pound bombs, and he destroyed, he killed Saddam, his two sons, and 50 or 60 members of the General Staff, but they didn't reveal that.
If they were going to, this had to do with that Operation Iraqi Freedom or, you know, mission accomplished event on the USS Lincoln off of the coast of San Diego, which turned into such a fiasco.
I was contacted by the mother of the pilot, by the way.
That's how I learned how all this had happened and how it was being covered up.
And we conjectured that someone, probably Rumsfeld, had realized that three presidents had signed executive orders against the assassination of leaders of foreign nations.
So if W had gone ahead and announced, we got Saddam, which we had, He would have been in violation of those executive orders and thereby have violated the law.
So he took one of Saddam's doubles.
They claim to have found him in a spider hole and they put him on trial.
There was an Australian photojournalist by the name of Joe Viles.
He had bad teeth.
Saddam had wonderful teeth.
He had an underbite, meaning his lower teeth extended forward of his upper.
Saddam had an overbite.
Saddam was a very powerful leader.
The guy they put on trial was not Saddam.
I believe they had an arrangement with him that if he played long, He'd wind up in Tahiti selling Mai Tais.
They were gonna put a platform under the news, but they simply took it away and he was hanged.
I mean, you can't have this guy wandering around out there in the world after he's supposedly gone through this celebrated trial, but it was all Song and dance.
It was all theatrical.
In fact, our government has become the biggest Hollywood production with all the fake news and phony events.
And I could go through one after another, not just Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, Orlando, Dallas, Parkland, Charlottesville, but Buffalo, Uvalde, Nashville.
These are all phony.
I have done the research, Tara.
I guarantee every one of those was fake.
I believe you.
There's so much chicanery, and I used to think I was awake because I woke up the day after 9-11 happened.
I was living on a drop zone that was international, and I got to see things through Europeans' eyes, different eyes.
So I was looking at the world in a different way.
Do you remember back?
Remember the first shooting?
The first shooting I can recall was in 1994, right?
The two boys.
Where was that?
In Ohio?
They were like gamers and they had a long black coat.
And you could actually see, this was back in the day before fake news really took over, there were helicopters and you could see the kids jumping out of the windows.
And it seemed like that was real.
I don't know if it was, but we don't see that anymore.
We don't see the real people.
Like in Sandy Hook, as you know, there was never a line of kids.
That picture that they portrayed to us was a complete, it was a complete garbage.
It was from a completely different day.
But what, do you remember that school shooting I'm talking about?
I'm not a hundred percent.
We're not talking about Columbine, are we?
Yeah, Columbine.
That was it.
Columbine.
Okay, I'll tell you, I looked recently at some footage of Columbine and they had two mannequins out on the lawn.
So even Columbine, even Columbine was paid.
I have a couple of videos that give you an overall introduction.
They're called How to Spot a Palsych Part 1 and How to Spot a Palsych Part 2.
You can find them on my blog at jamesh.fetzer.org.
At one time, I think it was in 2020, I had a website called Jim the Conspiracy Guy from like March until November and I did 65 shows And you can find them.
I transferred them to my blog.
So if you go to jameshfetzer.org, look for either Jim the Conspiracy Guy or the 65 Shows, and if you just scroll down to I think maybe the 5th and the 6th, there I give you short takes of how we can improve, every one of these was fake.
And the examples I use include not only the Nice attack with the 18-wheeler where they had mannequins all over the place, that was ridiculous, but the Boston bombing, Sandy Hook, Orlando, Parkland, Charlottesville, Las Vegas, they're all Charlottesville, Las Vegas, they're all there.
And you can learn how these things are done in relatively brief composition.
I think each of them runs a little over an hour, and you're going to cover a whole lot of territory, because Americans have to learn how to sort these things out, Tara, and I'm here to teach them how to do it.
Well, God bless you.
We need to clone you a million times over because I feel like there's a, I guess nowadays more and more people know the truth, but, um, I would still say there's a lot of people still in the dark and I don't think we're ever going to get those people on to see the truth.
I don't, I think it's done.
I think they have the neural nets created in their brains.
Like I said, you can show someone proof after proof.
It's kind of like talking to someone today about politics, really, James, when you think about it.
And you just show them the truth of what's going on, you know, with our country and how much worse we are today than we were three years ago.
But it's not enough.
They still hate Donald Trump because they've been they've been convinced to hate him and brainwashed into it.
I kind of think the 9-1-1 conspiracy thing is the same, don't you?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Lots of similarities.
And get this, it turns out that Barack Obama, just before he left office, declared our election system to be infrastructure and folded into the protective arms of the Department of Homeland Security, which, as you observe, was created by the Patriot Act, which really was compromising democracy permanently, unless it can be undone.
He gave it to DHS, which folded it into something called FirstNet.
FirstNet.
Most of the country has never even heard of FirstNet.
This is a cellular network across the nation that grants DHS access to virtually everything related to infrastructure, and by incorporating the election system, it gave the government the ability to not just monitor, but actually change the vote down to the precinct level.
So you have all kinds of elections that turned out oddly.
I mean, for crying out loud, Trump, by my best estimate, got over 100 million votes.
Joe Biden actually 37.
But they manipulated the outcome to give it to Biden.
And look at the damage he has done in less than three years since coming into office.
You cannot even recognize the United States today.
Another illustration of which is this governor in New Mexico who's just issued a completely unconstitutional ban on concealed carry for 30 days based upon an illusory health emergency.
Jonathan Turley, who's one of our absolute top-notch, very best constitutional attorneys and critics, called it out as completely unconstitutional.
She's trying to do it on a short term, 30 days before it can be reversed in the courts to stand as a precedent for extended bans based on health emergency.
I have a good friend who lives in Albuquerque who tells me she was writing it because it's extremely popular.
I think it was a television anchor.
Everybody adored the guy, and they're convinced, even the liberals are convinced now that she's in office because they've rigged the election, and we can thank Barack Obama for that.
Boy, I mean, the depth that this goes to is just absolutely mind-blowing to me.
It sounds very familiar.
Oh, let's just, we'll just suspend it for four weeks.
Just like stop the spread, right?
Remember those words a few years ago?
Right, that's right.
Just 15 days to stop the spread.
Just 30 days to suspend this, and this is what I'm talking about, because without 9-11 happening, without this Patriot Act, with the sweeping surveillance, and all of the rules and regulations and laws that were changed, I almost feel like the leaders in our world, and even some of the civil servants, these police that we're seeing that are doing unprecedented arrests of people for praying or preaching the Word of God, Arresting parents and school boards.
I just wonder, James, what has happened and how these people have given up their oath of office and we're acting as though we don't have a constitution right now, which is a really, really frightening thing.
Yes, yes, you're absolutely right.
Total lawlessness all over the country.
The open borders, Tara.
I mean, could there be a more fundamental responsibility of a president of the United States to maintain the borders of the United States?
Donald Trump putting up the wall.
He dropped down the immigration to a trickle.
I mean, it was just no problem.
And that was a tremendous benefit to those who are lower-wage earners because they weren't undercut and having their job taken away by even lower-wage, willing-to-earn migrants, such that before the 2020 election, You had 40% or more of the black voting public saying they were going to support Trump because their wages were rising at the highest rate.
He was doing a tremendous job.
Anyone who accuses Trump of being a racist is just bald-faced lying.
He was in construction in New York.
You've got to be able to work with all kinds of ethnic groups.
Trump had totally cordial relations.
I recall getting reports from multiple sources, black, white, pink, you know, that Trump was a really A dream to work with because he was so responsible.
And by the way, the day after 9-11, he was the only prominent celebrity to call it out.
He did an interview with local television in New York and he said the builders who put up the World Trade Center were now working for him, that there's no possible way planes could have caused those buildings to come down, that something else had to be involved.
Bombs.
He used the word bombs, meaning powerful sources of explosives.
And he was 100% correct.
Right off the bat, Tara.
Those buildings, as we know, if you just go back and watch any documentary of how those amazing buildings were constructed, they were constructed to ward off fire, to ward off any airplane attack that hit it.
And the amount, the really narrow windows were like that because they had so many gigantic steel girders, James.
So the fact that those could be pulverized because of a few floors above with the weight, but there are people who literally, and some people are really bright, intelligent people that will have this conversation with you and try to convince you of this pancaking effect that took place right in front of your eyes.
Tara, I was just lying in bed, drinking a cup of coffee, reading a paper, when a daughter of ours, who is then living in Sarasota, Braden, called up and said, turn on the TV.
The North Tower was smoking.
And by the way, that was dark black smoke.
That means that's an oxygen-deprived fire.
No oxygen.
It's already going out.
Correct.
That's right.
When they were destroyed and the acres were saying that they had collapsed, I knew this was physically impossible.
I said to myself, clear as a bell, when will I ever be in a position to do anything about it?
And then ironically, years later, in December 2005, I found myself in an internet discussion with about two dozen experts, and it occurred to me, founding a society as a loose affiliation among experts worldwide, we could create a website, we could publish articles, we could have videos, we could record where presentations are being made.
It took off like a rocket, Tara.
And by the end of 2006, we had, oh, I don't know, 500, 600 members in four different categories.
It was a great success.
The work you've done, you are relentless.
You keep coming back.
You went through this awful court case involving Sandy Hook and Noah Posner's father, as we all know, and that didn't work out in your favor, but yet you're still touting the same things.
Where do you get your courage and why are you so fearless?
I'm even still in the courts of Wisconsin over they did an improper taking of my book.
I mean, that was the whole idea.
When Amazon banned the book less than a month after it had gone on sale.
Even though it had sold nearly 500 copies.
I knew this was political.
So I released it for free as a PDF.
It's been downloaded millions of times.
Sorry, you can still find it online if you just do a search.
You can download the PDF.
I'm not allowed to do it.
I'm under a court order because of three sentences where I disputed the authenticity of a death certificate.
Would you believe, during the trial which they brought to try to find a way to get the book in their hands, I introduced the reports of two forensic document experts who testified.
By that time, there were four different versions of the death certificate in evidence.
That all four of them were fabricated in different ways.
All four of them were fabricated, and the judge just set it aside as not helpful.
It turns out in Wisconsin, they allow a judge during a procedure known as summary judgment, or my case, because the facts were disputed, had to go to a jury.
But if the facts are not disputed, then the judge can rule that it's just a matter of law.
He can set aside any evidence he thinks is unreasonable.
And he set aside all the evidence for my book.
I even had an FBI consolidated crime report showing that at the intersection of murder and non-negligent manslaughter for Newtown, of which Sandy Hook is a part, the number zero.
I already had the FEMA exercise manual for the event at Sandy Hook.
Subsequently, and this is before I took it all the way to the Supreme Court, I have now the Connecticut State FEMA schedule showing the Sandy Hook event on the schedule in a map they published to show how to get from Bridgeport down to Dickinson Road, where the school was located.
And by the way, It wasn't even an elementary school.
It was a special needs school.
Take a look at photographs.
It had no playground, Tara.
Have you ever heard of an elementary school with no playground?
That's right, and it had no Christmas decorations up in the windows because this happened right before Christmas.
So this is a good question about all of these events.
You know, the people on the supposed flights, the people in Sandy Hook.
So there's a lot of people who claim that they know the people who died.
So how do we explain that?
Well, let me let me tell you a little more.
I was for a year in interact through an additional party who knows more than anyone else about the totality of the events.
One of the players who was cast as a little girl, Emily Parker, and a woman who was cast as a teacher, Vicky Soto, both of whom are alive and well, of course.
I mean, this was a sham.
And I learned through them and others who were key players That Eric Holder came to Newtown in 2006.
That's when the school, the special needs school, was actually closed.
I thought we had concluded, when I brought together 13 experts, this is a nice illustration of the collaborative research methodology that I have promoted, JFK 9-11, Sandy Hook, and more.
I brought together 13 experts, including six PhDs, And we established the school had been closed by 2008, that there were no teachers or students there, and that it had been a FEMA drill for which, as I mentioned, we already had discovered the manual.
Well, it turns out that the school actually was closed two years earlier, in 2006, that Eric Holder came to Newtown and offered the community Hold your hat.
$140 million to participate in this scam on the American people.
Wow.
They have non-disclosure agreements.
They had auditions for roles.
Families that didn't want to be a part moved out of Sandy Hook or Newtown.
They moved.
I'm telling you, among the fringe benefits, Tara, they don't pay taxes and they get free college tuition.
So you got the non-disclosure agreement.
See, they could be prosecuted by the government for violating their contract if they talked about it, but that would be obviously a very awkward case because the government's prosecuting them for speaking out about an event that the government itself staged to deceive the American people to promote its gun control agenda.
I'd love to see that play out.
I don't think there is a judge in this country, James, that is willing to do the right thing on the side of justice, is what it seems like.
It doesn't matter what state.
I mean, if you were in Texas with these, do you think that the judge would have done the right thing and declared you the winner of the plaintiff, you know, the winner of this case?
It's so damn interesting you mentioned Texas, because when I went to the Supreme Court, I explained not only have I been denied my right to a trial by jury because the facts were in dispute, I mean, here you have the plaintiff, and this is astonishing, Tara, the Court of Appeals of Wisconsin, In consecutive paragraphs said, the plaintiff asserts, Sandy Hook took place, his son died, you know, 20 children, six adults, bye-bye.
Neil Heslund, he even quotes Neil Heslund, he held his dying son in his arms.
Versus my, juxtaposed with my position, Sandy Hook was a FEMA drill, presented as mass murder to promote gun control, nobody died, and they said there was no Difference about the facts.
I mean, this is a Wisconsin Court of Appeals.
So I took this all the way up to the U.S.
Supreme Court.
I've been told by those same sources who are in the know, who are participants and others who play major roles in orchestrating the whole event, that The outcome of all of my cases was predetermined in that the decision not to go to the Supreme Court was made at the highest level of the government.
Now, we recently had a revelation that there was a dirty tricks group in the DOJ led by Rod Rosenstein.
This comes from James Clapper, whom in the past I've not held in high esteem.
But here's Clapper speaking what appears to be the truth, and I've had two different sources saying this is Clapper, that there was this dirty tricks organization led by DOJ attorney Rod Rosenstein, and it involved
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, which I find utterly appalling, because I believe it would have been the Chief Justice who would have declined to allow my case to go before the court, even though, get this, Tara, state of the nation said
My case may be the single most important to go before the Supreme Court—not this week, not this month, not this year—in our lifetime.
Lifetime.
And what I did there was contrast what had happened to me in Wisconsin, because it has a bizarre summary judgment that allows a judge to set aside with Texas Texas would have thrown it out right away.
I mean, it would have gone nowhere.
Texas or would have given me a jury trial.
Would you believe it?
None, not one of these San Diego cases, not Remington, not Alex Jones, and I sought to intervene in all of those as an amicus witness to present all this evidence.
Have been decided on the merits.
They've all been decided on procedural grounds, by presupposition, by agreement, would you believe, with Alex Jones.
It was because he allegedly didn't provide some discovery.
But no one can figure out what the discovery.
They got all of his videos where he talked about Sandy Hook.
They got tens of thousands of pages of documents.
None of them have been decided properly, and mine most certainly was not allowed to go to trial.
I mean, the way courts decide the authenticity of documents is by consulting forensic document experts.
Well, I did have one.
I have two.
And they declared, not only was the original for which I was being sued by claiming that it was fabricated or fake, but all four of the documents we've got, one of which I'd obtained directly from the state, another which had been by a co-defendant directly from the town clerk.
The third of which was attached to the complaint.
It had a file number, Tate and Town Certification, unlike the version that I had, published in a book, which by the way had been provided by the plaintiff on his own website to a co-author by the name of Kelly Watt.
We even had an affidavit in the case asserting that what I published was what she obtained from Posner's own website.
They did a contrived deal.
I mean, I couldn't believe.
They claimed in the complaint that there was no material difference between this file number, town and state certified death certificate, which was complete, And the no file number, no state or town death certificate that I published, which was incomplete, or even according to Connecticut law, Tara, parents aren't allowed to have incomplete death certificates.
I mean, it should have been a slam dunk for me.
A slam dunk.
And I go all the way to the Supreme Court and they won't even hear it.
Give me a break.
Something is terribly wrong.
They're not going to let you win because, James, if you win, then the truth wins.
And they are going to any extent that they can in order to keep these things covered up.
I mean, look at what they did to our friend Wolfgang Halbig.
He's a gentleman that you worked with quite extensively, isn't he?
Get this.
You'll love this, Tara.
Wolfgang wrote me.
He had a lawsuit where the judge ordered Posner to show up.
Now, something you and I haven't talked about.
Posner came to Wisconsin.
Somebody calling himself Posner came to Wisconsin and did a video deposition.
I was convinced it wasn't.
He doesn't look at all like the Posner whose photograph has appeared millions of times.
It said that the video deposition was confidential, but that I could use it for legal purposes.
Well, I actually Got it into the hands of Wolfgang because I felt he could be an impeachment witness and verify this was not Leonard Posner.
Well, the judge threw the book at me, held me in contempt of court.
I wound up with a greater fine for having shared that video, Deb.
With Wolfgang, than I had for the original suit, 450 for the original, 650 for violating the order.
And I had said to the judge, Your Honor, this makes no sense.
His image has appeared millions of times worldwide.
Why can they be concerned about his image now unless it's not the same guy?
And Wolfgang, Not only confirmed it was not the same guy, but now he's had a legal proceeding in Florida where Posner was ordered by the judge to show up and it wasn't the same guy.
It was the guy whose photograph has appeared all over the world.
Two different Posners in two different court cases.
This is not over, Tara.
This is not over.
I'm outraged and, you know, I'm infuriated with the judicial system.
I have always been a law-abiding citizen.
When I looked into the suit against me, I thought there were a half a dozen ways in which I had to prevail, including my role as an investigative journalist.
But the judge, I gave him a seven-page document before the oral hearing outlining my credentials as an investigative journalist, and would you believe, never did he rule on whether or not I were a journalist, which would have affected the standard required for conviction, which could never have been met.
You have a long list of credentials.
And I mean, you were in our military, didn't you serve in the Marines?
I mean, you have just look at what you've done.
And you're brilliant.
You're a very smart man.
You're courageous.
But you know, if you go to Wikipedia, and you know how Wikipedia is, but they'll tout you as what does it say?
What does it say about you?
It made me laugh.
Your bio there claims that James is known for spreading conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial.
That's the first sentence in Wikipedia when we look up.
So, of course, they want to make you the kook.
They want to make you the weirdo, the guy who's spreading all these false stories.
And you know how it is today, James.
If we go against the narrative, then we're touted as homophobic.
We're racist.
You're disrespectful if you're saying no one died at Sandy Hook or You know, it didn't really happen the way they said it did in 9-11.
There's quite a history there regarding Wikipedia.
Now, what most people don't understand is Wikipedia is a Zionist organization on elementary science and ancient history and so forth.
Highly reliable.
Anything that's politically contentious, it gives a Zionist spin.
For example, they had reports about scholars That were just factually blatantly wrong.
So I tried repeatedly to correct that, and I got rebuffed every time by the editor.
And finally, we had an exchange.
I said, you're not going to let me correct it, are you?
And he said, no.
I mean, this is where I'm the founder of Scholars.
Now, how do they get away with this?
They will not allow you to use original sources.
The first lesson you learn in graduate school is only go to original sources.
By using secondary, Wikipedia can pick and choose between all the different attitudes and the secondary sources to promote those they like, that agree with what they're trying to do, vilification.
I had an excellent entry in Wikipedia, very detailed about my research on JFK, 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, all the way up to in 2014, I organized a conference on academic freedom, are there limits to inquiry, using JFK, 9-11, and the Holocaust as examples.
And, you know, when they declare I'm a Holocaust denier, that's 100% correct.
Let me tell you, anyone who looks into the Holocaust is a denier or a big-time liar, because it falls apart immediately.
There were 236 references to 6 million Jews in dire straits or fear of loss of their lives in the international press before the Nuremberg Tribunal Beginning in 1890.
They have no historic basis.
It's a disputed passage of Leviticus that's been interpreted to mean that the chosen people can return to the promised land, only when they're minus six million who've been consumed in the flame.
But even that requires interpolation, because there was no word in the original Hebrew for six million.
The International Committee of the Red Cross was giving meticulous records on the age, the sex, the ethnicity, the religion, the cause of death of every inmate.
In 1993, they recalibrated, and they found the total was 296,081 Dying from all causes of death, none of whom died from being put to death in a gas chamber.
Fred Lochter, who was the leading expert on gas chambers, participated in a trial in Canada for a leading Holocaust denier there.
He was sent to the camps.
He came back with the Lochter Report that there was nothing there that could possibly have functioned as a gas chamber.
The whole deal, Torah, is that Israeli or Jewish political clout is rooted in a Western sense of guilt over the Holocaust, which they are then protecting massively.
You know, Voltaire observed, if you want to know who rules over you, just ask who you're not allowed to criticize.
There you got it.
Not only do they dominate our press, but Cynthia McKinney revealed in 2011 on Press TV the pledge that every new member of Congress is asked to sign a pledge to put the interests of Israel ahead of even that of the United States.
About seven or eight years ago, a friend of mine asked me, did I know how many members of the then-current Congress had refused to sign the pledge?
And I admitted I did not.
He held up one finger of one hand.
So we got a problem.
Our Congress is Israeli-occupied territory.
Now, when I did that conference on the campus of the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, A guy, and I'm told he was a wiki editor in Australia, gutted, gutted my entry.
So what you're seeing now is the residue of what was really quite a sensational Wikipedia entry.
I rediscovered the original Blake.
You may know Michael Raviro retired on RBM, Republic Broadcasting Network.
I have taken his place.
So I'm now five days a week on RBM.
This is from four to six Eastern time.
And if you look up for my show called Authentic News, down at the bottom, you'll find a link to that original Wikipedia entry, which was excellent.
I mean, I could not fault it.
I have tried to correct this present version because it got something absurd there about one of the planes.
I mean, it's just manufactured.
I would have never said anything like it.
In fact, I've done a huge amount of research on all four of the 9-11 crash sites.
I've established by multiple lines of proof that none of those planes crashed, that all four of them were faked, albeit in different ways.
Edward Henry, who's just a brilliant guy, had captured a Bureau of Transportation Statistics records for 9-11, and there's no record of Flight 11 even being in the air that day.
That's supposed to be the North Tower.
There's no record of Flight 77 being in the air that day.
That's a Pentagon.
Pilots for 9-11, which is a brilliant organization, tracked Flight 93 and found it was over Champaign-Urbana, ironically, the same place I'd held that conference, after it had officially crashed in Shanksville.
And that Flight 175 was still in the air over Harrisburg in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, after it had allegedly hit the South Tower.
So I went about getting FAA registration records and discovered the physical aircraft used for those flights.
Or, of course, the same plane can be used today, Miami to Chicago tomorrow, New York to San Francisco.
We're not even formally deregistered or taken out of FAA.
Out of service until 28 September 2005.
So how come planes that weren't even in the air crashed on 9-11?
And how come planes that crashed on 9-11 have still been in the air four years later?
This is a gigantic scam, Tara.
9-11, huge fraud, brought to us compliments of the CIA, the neocons, the Department of Defense, and the Mossad.
I completely agree with that.
And isn't it interesting?
Was this the first time in airline history, James, where they were unable to find four of the black boxes?
They did not find one black box, did they?
Or did they find one of them and they said they couldn't retrieve the data?
Yeah, you're right, Tara.
I mean, this whole thing is just shameless.
And you know, in Shanksville, there's a hole that's about 10 by 17.
There's no aircraft debris.
No bodies.
No luggage.
The two reporters first on the scene said the eerie aspect of the crash site was there was no sign of any blatant crash there.
Well, that's because no blatant crash there!
There's even one story that it disappeared into an abandoned mine shaft because there had been mining taking place in the area.
And I've got a video that shows a simulation.
Well, we know what to do with miners trapped in mineshaft.
We break out the heavy equipment and the bright lights and dig 24-7 in the hope, by miracle, someone might have survived.
They didn't even dig up the bodies!
And that's, of course, because there was nothing there to dig up, Tara.
This whole thing is such a monstrous scam.
And I've already related about, you know, Larry Johnson.
I mean, I am embarrassed because this is a guy in whom I've had confidence in the past as a truth teller.
He's either a humongous liar or a gullible sap, I'm sorry to say.
No longer trustworthy.
Maybe they got to him.
Maybe they got to him.
You know, maybe he's not allowed to say what the truth is.
We don't know.
Tara, when I get off the air with you, I'm going up to send Lurie Johnson the post I had that the Gateway Pundit suppressed as spam and invite him to come on my show.
Because I still have the Revolution Radio Show Monday, Wednesday, Friday from noon to two, which I'm turning into an interview show.
Because on the RBN Show, I'm doing an hour of updates on news with concise critique, and then taking an hour of callers.
And it's been wonderful.
My reception has been very warm, Tor.
I'm really enjoying it.
It's a great fit for me with RBN.
I'm so glad.
One of my questions was going to be here as we wrap up was what's next for you?
And so obviously this is one of the things that's next and you're just you have you're like an energizer bunny.
You have unbridled energy.
You keep going.
You don't give up despite lawsuits, despite the slings and arrows.
It's really quite amazing.
So besides Being a host on RBN, I know that you're also on The Awake Nation, which I co-host in about 45 minutes.
You're on on Thursdays.
Every Thursday with Penny Shepard and David Zublek.
At what time does that occur?
11 a.m.
Eastern.
I also do a show with Scott Bennett on Tuesday evenings called Global Great Awakenings.
That's also a weekly show.
I do another two-hour show, usually recorded on Sundays, called Truth vs. News.
Well, there are a couple of commentators.
One is, in fact, Scott Bennett, and the other is Brian Davidson, who is a PI from Texas, who did brilliant work, even on Sandy Hook, in relation to my petition for a rehearing by the Supreme Court.
I had an appendices A through D that included The FEMA manual and the records from the Connecticut FEMA showing it was on the schedule.
And then I had an appendix E where Brian had got into the Connecticut State Police files and discovered all kinds of photographic evidence contradicting the official account.
Including a hallway where there's supposed to be the body of the principal and the school psychologist in a pool of blood.
No bodies, no blood.
Inside a classroom where there's supposed to be a stack of little kid bodies.
Not only no little kid bodies, no blood, no school desks, no chairs, no teacher desks, all the furniture pushed up against the wall.
In other words, he not only demonstrated the official count as false, but that the school had been closed long before the event took place.
Tara's just outrageous.
It really is.
I feel like we're sharing space in this world with other people who are just not speaking the same language or there's no way to communicate, you know, or have them see what we see.
So, you know, we've talked about several false flag events.
There's probably a few we haven't mentioned, but do you think there are more coming?
Because it seems like they can just keep bamboozling the American people and half of the country is going to believe everything that they throw at them.
Well, I think we're going to see fewer school shootings and more balls, dollar stores, grocery stores.
Ryan Davidson did a brilliant one on Buffalo, showing the whole thing was completely staged.
It was modeled after the Christchurch shooting in New Zealand, which was the original Amateur Hour.
The Uvalde was, by the way, based upon Sandy Hook.
Where Adam Lanza is supposed to have killed his mother and then gunshot 20 1st graders and 6 adults in Uvalde, the shooter shoots his grandmother and then kills 19 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders, and would you believe, the very same Crisis actress who had played Vicky Soto with Sandy Hook was invited to play Eva Morales in Uvalde, for which she was paid $210,000.
You know, what I notice about these false flag events, these shootings, James, is that they tend to place them in areas like that are going to frighten the average everyday person now.
You know, grocery stores, concerts, you know, they're scaring us to death in schools.
And this is my bold prediction.
And I pray to God that I'm wrong.
But, you know, what haven't they hit yet?
A nursing home.
Have they hit a nursing home?
Do you know what I mean?
They seem to be covering all the areas so that you are going to be afraid to go anywhere and everywhere.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the idea.
I'll tell you, Americans aren't giving up their guns.
This is falling flat.
And this bizarre incident in New Mexico with a governor declaring a ban for 30 days, it is backfiring.
The resistance is enormous.
I think this was overplaying.
You know, they went a bridge too far here, Tara.
I think this is all falling apart.
Well, I'm glad because I do believe, James, that every time something absurd happens, something really awful like what happened in Maui a few weeks ago, I do believe that these are red pills.
I do believe that there's a group of people that wake up from every little thing.
Not everyone wakes up from the same event.
I woke up with 9-11.
You know, you woke up, perhaps, with the assassination of JFK.
Some people might say, well, I woke up when Maui happened or I woke up on the 10th school shooting.
It's just you never know what it's going to do, you know, to each individual person.
Yeah.
I have so much more, so I'm going to have to have you back because I have so many questions.
I'm honored to have you on.
I don't care what other people think about you.
I think you are a bonafide conspiracy truthist.
I don't call them theorists anymore, James.
I've been following your steadfast work for years, and I'm honored to have you here.
You are fearless.
Don't back down despite all the attacks thrown at you.
I can't thank you enough for being a voice of the American people, and I really hope one day I get to celebrate you winning.
Tara, you're just a wonderful host.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate.
Conspiracy realist or conspiracy analyst.
Absolutely.
100 percent.
Jim Fetzer, the conspiracy guy.
I love it.
I absolutely love it.
And I adore you.
Thank you so much for being here, you guys.
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James, tell us again.
You're on RBN.
Where else can they find you?
Is there like one area they can go to that they can find out where you are?
Oh, well, on RBN, I'm there from 4 to 6 p.m.
Eastern, five days a week.
The slot formerly occupied by Michael Rovero.
And then I'm on Revolution Radio, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, noon to 2 p.m.
Eastern.
That show's called The Raw Deal.
So you're looking for authentic news.
And if you look at that, they have a page for me.
You can find a lot of links to stuff I've done, Tara.
I can't thank you enough.
I will put those links below.
That's an easy find for me.
So thank you again for being here.
I hope you enjoy the rest of your day, and I look forward to catching you on RBN.
I can't wait!
Thanks everyone for coming.
Thank you.
You're welcome, James.
Thank you everyone for showing up on Sacred Valley, and I will see you back here next time.
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