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Counterspeech (6 June 2023) with Deana Pollard Sacks
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- Hi everyone, this is Dena Sacks, and you're listening to Counterspeech on Revolution Radio.
I have my friend James Spex around with me today.
Hi James!
Hey Dina, how are you?
I'm alright, and I also have... I know you've been doing better on other occasions, yes.
Yeah, we'll talk about that in a minute, but I also have Clint Grease with me on my phone.
I was unable to add him with the The Skype program, but Clint are you with us?
Yes, great to be here.
Thank you so much.
Our show tonight is going to talk about the problem with drugs being slipped in people's drinks.
I had something put into my drink a week ago Sunday, about eight days ago.
I was so, so, so sick.
I had to cancel my show last week and I'm still recovering and still going through testing.
No one knows what it was at this point.
I can describe sort of what I went through.
Maybe if anyone out there is listening and if anyone knows anything about toxicology or poisons or what's being used as roofies or anything else, please get in touch with me at counterspeechusa at gmail.com.
We've just begun the investigation, but something absolutely positively was put in my drink.
Zero question about it.
I'll just describe it very quickly so that everyone out there, I know my guests already know what happened, but I want the people out there to hear what happened so they may know what it is.
I met my friend at the Sunset Restaurant in Malibu on the night of the 28th, which was the day before Memorial Day, and we had this plan for some time.
We had texted back and forth for some time that we were going to meet there, and we did, and we walked inside and sat down.
There was hardly anyone in the restaurant, which was weird.
The bar area was almost empty.
There was a couple of guys sitting at the bar Talking to the bar manager as I recall and the bar manager is a very strange very angry man.
He had done something Acting very strangely about a month prior when I was in there with the same friend the same friend of mine who came in this night last Sunday and So let me just tell you what happened a month ago just to get a little context here
A month ago we came in and my friend and I were at the bar talking and we're talking about my book on Jeffrey Epstein and we're talking about Bill Gates and we're talking about how horrible we think he is and what he's done with the vaccines and the farmland all that kind of stuff and this I think he's an Irish man he definitely looks Irish and I asked him and he wouldn't he wouldn't tell me which I thought was weird but he has a long red beard and he's the manager at the Sunset and he kind of got in my face like really close to me and sort of leaned over the bar
And said to me, do you have any idea how rich Bill Gates is?
And I said, yeah, I know exactly what he has.
I researched this after the COVID pandemic and saw that he had enormous wealth gain in the months between March and about October of 2020.
He gained around something like 30% increase in his wealth.
He went from under a hundred million to about 125.
I'm sorry, under a hundred billion to 125 billion.
Elon Musk though was the big winner.
Elon Musk's net wealth grew by 751%.
Elon Musk jumped over Gates and jumped over Bezos.
Elon Musk became probably the richest man in America.
Now none of these men are the richest in the world.
A lot of people believe that.
That's just not true.
There are people in the world who are worth trillions.
But these men are extraordinarily rich and extraordinarily powerful.
So I said something like, I didn't say all that.
I said more to my listeners that wanted to hear.
about that and how much wealth these guys have, and especially how much they've gained in 2020 during the COVID pandemic, which had so many of us losing money in our 401ks, losing our jobs, all sorts of things.
Most of us took a big hit.
And this man just was in my face for an extended period.
He went on and on.
And then he said, we were talking about, well, you know, money isn't everything.
I mean, you know, people want to have a good relationship and he doesn't have that.
And his wife left him and And he said to me at one point, he got really close to my face and said, you don't know what men want.
And it was so creepy that my friend and I, who's a cancer researcher, a brilliant woman, we talked about it later and said that was really weird.
And our take from that was that these really rich men want teenagers or they want 20 year old girls or something like that.
And we just thought it was so creepy and so weird.
We weren't even offended.
I'm 59.
She's I think 60 or 61.
But she looks really young for her age.
We weren't even offended by it.
We were so like, ooh, that guy is so, so icky, and he's just a terrible man, you can tell.
Now, the Sunset's a wonderful place.
I've been there for many, many years.
It has been a wonderful, beautiful place right on Westwood Beach.
It just literally steps off the beach.
You just walk, the sand stops, you walk across the beach, and bam, you're in the Sunset.
So it's been one of my favorite places for many, many years.
That one incident a month ago, I didn't like it, but I kind of wrote it off as this guy's not normal and he's had a bad night.
So now I'm going to jump to the 28th of May and what happened then.
And we got there at 7.30.
We went inside.
We sat on this long skinny bar with our backs to the ocean.
And there was just hardly anyone in there, but there was this really big guy, very overweight and tall.
I mean, extremely overweight guy at the bar with another guy who was worn on the script.
And talking to this creepy kind of bartender.
But again, I thought it was, I try not to judge people on one night.
I try to, especially when I've been there so many times, it's a great restaurant in general.
So, we ordered a drink and I ordered one vodka and Absolut.
And you know, vodka and Absolut can look a little cloudy, especially when it's canned.
Grapefruit juice came to the table.
I took one sip and it went right to my head.
And I hadn't eaten that day, but I, you know, I can handle my alcohol.
I don't drink a lot, but I drink a little, and I know what I can handle.
It seemed really, really strong.
And I thought, well, I did go to hot yoga.
I haven't eaten yet, so I guess maybe, maybe it could go to my head.
I don't know.
So, then another guy came in.
I'm sorry, then the two guys from the bar, who I believe are clearly Irish, came to, like the bartender, who I believe also was Irish, came, and I won't tell you what that matters later, but anyway, they came and sat right across from us, and as my friend and I both said, This big guy with the big head, big blue eyes, kind of a big guy, big round face, not a bad-looking guy, but really overweight, brown hair.
He just honed in on me, and my friends have deemed he was all over you with his eyes.
He wouldn't even stop looking at me, like he was staring me down, almost like someone who was trying to gain control over me by staring into my eyes or something like that.
It was really weird.
The guy next to him was also watching me.
No one was paying attention to my friend.
My friend is a very attractive Argentine blonde with a fabulous figure.
She's not wearing a ring, I am.
I would think that people would migrate toward her at a bar.
It just seemed odd that they ignored her completely and were totally, totally focused on me.
And then another guy came in, and this guy is a local apparently, kind of looks like Willie Nelson.
We don't know who any of these people are.
So far, the restaurant has not given me any information.
The owner did finally get back to me today, but we're gonna have to fight, I can tell, for the information.
He was there that night.
This guy came and stood on the other side of my friend and at one point he, I guess, maybe she introduced me or something.
Everything's now getting fuzzy.
This is the point in time when things start getting really fuzzy and it never came back.
But he grabbed me around the waist and held me really, really tight to him and totally captured my attention.
I didn't know what really to do.
You really can't do a lot.
Surfers, Malibu people, they do that.
If you're gonna be in the surfing world, you have to put up a little bit of manhandling.
That's reality.
I'm just saying these guys, They're very physical, they hug you, they grab you, they do that and it's not worth it most of the time to fight.
They don't necessarily mean anything bad by it either, they're being friendly.
So this guy grabbed me really tight though and really squeezed me next to him and I'm looking at him for a while and talking to him for a few minutes and at that point my back was turned to my drink.
My friend was there though.
So eventually he let me go and back to where I was seated on the other side of my friend, my girlfriend, And I noticed right away my drink had been moved down the table a little bit.
And it was like literally abutting my purse now, which was weird because I would never set my drink up right against my purse.
My purse is down the bar, my drink was in front of me.
And when I looked at it, it looked milky.
It looked like it was cream and ice.
And that would normally say to someone, hey, don't drink that.
Take the glass, run to your car, take it to a lab, right?
None of that went through my mind.
I saw it.
I saw that something seemed off.
And I drank it anyway.
I was already impaired.
So the fact that I was already impaired and made that decision tells me it came to my table in a compromised condition.
It also makes sense because those guys hadn't joined us at the table.
I don't think.
My friend says no.
They hadn't joined us at the table at the time the drink was set in front of me.
After that, within a couple of minutes, as my friend would describe, you just completely change personalities.
I panicked.
I said I've been drugged.
I was terrified and I all but ran out of the bar.
So And then I went to my car and I had a series of phone calls.
I don't remember.
My husband told me you called Uber.
I said, no, I didn't.
He said, yeah, you did.
I looked at my phone.
I had called Uber.
I didn't remember that.
I threw up some kind of like white milky liquid.
So whatever was in the drink, I threw up most of it, probably.
But I did have a terrible night.
My head was spinning and I had the most horrific head pain for about 16 hours.
Now, I assumed it was a roofie, or hypnol, which is a drug stuck into dreams all the time.
It is legally manufactured in other countries.
It's not legal to manufacture it here or to have it in this country, but it's a very popular drug.
And I've come to learn it gets out of your system in about eight to 12 hours.
So when most women, or men, men are roofie too, by the time you wake up, by the time you come out of it and realize something really bad happened, it's out of your system.
They can't test for it.
So I'm going through testing right now, but Jim, Clint, actually, Clint, you're leaving first.
I know you have something to get to in about 20 minutes.
So tell us, what is your take on all this?
What do you think happened to me that night?
Was that an attempt to pull a really nasty and criminal prank on me, or was that, as one of my colleagues said, attempted murder?
Yeah, it's highly suspicious, and you're perfectly right to make allegations.
Everyone's waiting to see what the test results are, but you know it's absolutely valiant on your part to have to be the victim and then go to the trouble of putting together all the evidence trying to figure out exactly what happened.
You've done an amazing job just chronicling one thing after another, especially since the drug itself has the effect of destroying your memory, ruining your memory, and so having other witnesses I'm curious to find out what, you know, what the videos show as well.
But, you know, I'm here for you.
I'm here to let people know that we do need to take very seriously when people make these allegations.
We need to take them seriously and support you.
And I know you have been getting 100% support from people because of various reasons.
We can discuss that if you like, but, you know, we're here for you and I'm just, I'm just feeling like emotional myself when I think about just anyone intentionally poisoning somebody like this with the intention to knock you out and then do any number of horrible things to you it blows my mind in this day and age I I guess I'm innocent in my mind I guess I'm um I'm a little bit sheltered I guess to think that people will do this
but um anyway well I want to speak I want to speak to the memory thing for just a moment because I really did not know how bad it could get I I I did, I believe we were, I know that my friend and I were slipped something about nine years ago at Sullivan's and we figured out it was the bartender.
It had to be the bartender.
I had one martini that night.
It was kind of cloudy.
Again, it was a little bit cloudy and she, I didn't even drink the martini.
I had like one sip, maybe one, 20% of the martini, one sip.
And she had something and we literally danced like two feet from the bar.
No one came near our drinks.
So those drinks were served to us at Sullivan's in Houston with something in those drinks.
And we, I didn't feel, I did not finish the drink and we got in the car and I was just spinning in the car.
But I don't recall the head pain.
I didn't have, I didn't, I went to sleep and I remembered everything.
I didn't forget anything that night.
This was different.
My memory was sketchy.
Like I remember I talked to my girlfriend at my car.
I remember standing on Westwood Beach Road.
I remember talking about my car.
And I somehow misremembered and thought she walked me in my car when I ran out of the restaurant.
No, she told me that conversation took place before we entered the restaurant.
So I'm mixing up things and I said, well, did you mention Uber to me?
She goes, yes, but that was inside the restaurant.
My memory was that she was talking to me about Uber when I was at the car with her.
But no, that was my husband talking to me about Uber when I was in my car after the event.
So all these things got mixed up and it's just all these, there's pieces.
that are all accurate, but they got flipped, or where it happened got flipped, or when it happened got flipped.
I mean, this is serious cognitive disruption, because I've studied cognitive learning theory.
I know all about implicit bias, stereotyping, how the mind processes information.
My mind had been, like, completely jumbled.
And, you know, the whole thing, it disturbs me so much, because, you know, I am Irish, too.
And we talked about these guys being Irish when they came to the table.
And the big one, the one who's so talkative, had an Irish accent.
I'm familiar with Irish versus British accents.
The English accent is very different.
English accents sound more like Australian or New Zealand accents.
The Irish accent is very different.
And so we talked about it.
We came to the table and started talking.
I said, oh, you sound Irish.
We were talking about it.
Well, my friend tells me that later, and I don't remember any of the conversation after the Willie Nelson-looking guy held me so tight to him and was capturing my attention, But she says later, they said they were from Stratford-upon-Avon and from England.
I said, they don't have English accents.
And had I been aware of that, I would have said, let's talk about the anti-Stratfordian movement.
Let's talk about where Shakespeare moved.
I know all about Shakespeare.
Had I heard any part of that conversation, having studied Shakespeare extensively in college, I would have been all over them asking questions to find out what they know about Stratford-upon-Avon.
And I'm pretty sure they were lying about that.
They were distancing themselves from being Irish.
That's my opinion.
I don't like any of what I'm hearing.
And the weird thing is I had a little scuttle with another Irish guy from the area about a year ago.
And it's not a big deal really, but I never liked this guy.
He married a wonderful lady I know, and I know her ex-husband too, and he's great.
But this guy, I just never liked him.
And when I came to her house for an event, he was all over me with his eyes walking around following me.
I didn't like him.
So this guy, to make a long story short, he somehow went home and told his wife that I said I had an open marriage, which I did not have an open marriage.
And I would never say that, not like that.
I don't know what was said exactly.
It was loud.
There was music playing.
It was a Trankus.
But she called me and confirmed me.
I said, no, I don't have an open marriage.
Believe me, I don't have an open marriage.
And we went to get him on the phone and he didn't come to the phone.
So he later said, well, maybe I made a mistake.
I'm like, yeah, he definitely made a mistake.
But another Irish guy I know that night did some really weird things and got us into a bit of a dispute that night because he must have heard the same thing.
I'm not going to go into details, but he contacted, I can't remember what happened that night exactly, but it was, these guys are all Irish, and that struck me.
That struck me.
I don't know why so much, but these are, the guy, the manager of the Sunset, who I think is Irish, looks Irish, boy, he is a nasty, nasty man.
Because that night of the event as well, I was trying to say hello, because I thought, well, you know, he had a bad night.
Maybe he doesn't like my book, but it's a new day, you know, I've been there.
So I tried to say hi and he walked right in front of me.
I said, hi, really loud.
He did not look at me.
He looked angry.
He was just scowling all over that restaurant that night.
I thought, well, that's weird.
There's something wrong with him for sure.
No question about it.
The other guys were there when this stuff was happening.
So I don't know, Jim, any ideas about what, there's so many missing pieces and I know some of the missing pieces because I just don't remember everything.
This is why I hand-delivered a non-scoliation.
Demand to the restaurant on the 30th the first day.
I was actually up and out You know up and around all day or whatever.
So The camera footage will be preserved or else, you know He doesn't preserve it and I can get a court instruction that it must have been damaging to the restaurant so that's why you deliver a federal rule sort of procedure 37 e notice because you want to let them know that you will seek a an order that the evidence destroyed would have incriminated them.
So you do that as part of standard practice in a situation like this.
And I did deliver that letter right away.
And another neighbor told me he always keeps the footage for at least a week.
So that footage and he just wrote me an email saying he has the footage.
So we will get our hands on that at some point.
And if not, then we're going to have a little problem with the restaurant owner.
As of right now, the restaurant owner may have nothing to do with this.
He may know nothing about it and he may not be good at reading people.
Maybe he doesn't know that his manager is such a terrible man or misogynist or whatever his problem is.
I can tell you that man has hatred toward me and I, you know, I'm friendly most of the time, so I don't know why other than he doesn't like my Jeffrey Epstein book.
People don't like that sometimes.
Men think women should stay in their place, you know, and our place to some men is barefoot and pregnant.
So, Jim, what are your thoughts?
I know you were very worried about me because I know some of my other colleagues thought this could be attempted murder and until we know what was in that drink and why it got whiter.
When it first was set in front of me, it looked murky.
Of course, grape juice and vodka always looks murky, but was something more put in the drink when that guy was literally physically keeping me occupied and distracted?
Or did the sediment stir up somehow?
I don't know that answer.
Without the videotapes and without the videotape being pointed in that direction, we'll never know whether the drink was tampered with again at the table, but I am very confident that drink was tampered with at the time it was brought to me, meaning it was an employee of the restaurant.
Had to be.
Two or three thoughts, given your Depiction of the scenario and the body language and all that, Tina.
Number one, I think this is a dangerous place for women.
I think that this can be an operation that has had repeated instances.
My first thought, my second, given the looks and all that, I believe it was not a murder, but a rape scenario.
And I say, if you had not Vomited up most of the content of that drink.
I think you would be in very bad situation today.
I believe it was an attempted rape.
And when he's glaring at you like that, that's not something one is going to do if they are gonna murder somebody.
It's something they could do if they're.
Thinking about all the ways they're going to ravage the person before them.
I think that was what was taking place and they weren't targeting your friend.
I mean, she's attractive and all that, but they had a grudge against you.
And they were going to punish you for whatever reason.
I mean, the idea they read any of your books, I think, is ludicrous.
They haven't read any of your books.
They find you a strong, outspoken, intelligent woman and they resent that.
And the fact that you had a manner, you have a manner.
I mean, you're an aggressive person, you know, as women go.
And of course, there are all kinds of virtues associated, but a lot of men, React in an extremely negative way.
These are Neanderthals we're talking about.
These are brutes.
These are people who don't care about the niceties of life or civilization.
They're going to take what they want.
I believe it was a plan to punish you for just being a strong, intelligent, aggressive woman.
They didn't like it, and they were going to show you.
Well, I'm not saying he read my book, but I'm saying we were talking about my book a month ago.
And about the chapter, what does Bill Gates have to do with Jeffrey Epstein, which was one of the last chapters.
He'd actually been talking, you know, your book about the predators, sex predators.
Jim, please let me explain.
About Bill Cosby and Jeffrey Gates and Harvey Weinstein.
Time out, Jim.
Let me explain.
I didn't get to finish.
We were talking about it, my friend and I were talking about the book.
He heard me say something about Bill Gates, he got in my face and told me how powerful this guy is.
I think we, talking, the three of us, my friend, me, and this manager, bar manager, a month ago, or whatever it was, six weeks, whatever it was, I believe at some point we talked about, well, I wrote a book about it, I really do know, and I researched it.
So I'm not saying he read my book.
What I'm saying is he definitely didn't like me, he definitely thought I was outspoken, and by the way, Any man who behaves just like me is never called aggressive.
But when women are assertive, they're called aggressive.
But saying that though, Jim, is kind of a bad thing to do because aggressive for a woman is considered very, very bad.
Whereas aggressive for a man is not considered so bad.
So it's, it's, yeah, I don't think that's for my demeanor.
Dina, Dina, Dina, Dina, by any measure, you're a strong, intelligent woman and there are men who resent strong, intelligent women.
And God knows you're the, you're the poster girl.
We look up strong, intelligent women.
There's Dina Pollard Sachs.
Photographed.
Right there.
That's misogyny.
Misogyny is a very real thing.
In my second book, I have a... Misogyny is... I'm not endorsing the attitude.
I'm just telling you what I think they were, how they were reacting to you.
I mean, given your depiction.
I mean, that's not how I react to you.
I think you're fabulous and I want to put you in my conferences and you're my favorite speaker.
You know, I mean, I'm just the opposite.
I tell you, we're talking about oafs, we're talking about Neanderthals, these are very crude people.
Right, but any way you cut it, these are people who dislike women or disrespect women to the point where they will hijack their bodies.
It could be one, like almost a prank, let's watch her get really sloppy, let's Let's make her lose control.
That'll be entertaining for us.
No, there was much more than that.
And listen, the cloudy, that's because they put a powdered substance.
They put a powdered substance in your drink and it diffused and it made it cloudy.
And it's too bad you didn't have a second thought about once you saw it was cloudy and the drink had been moved.
I know for the future you'll never make that mistake again.
This is a problem with open drinks served in bars to women.
They're at risk of being roofied.
But John, it's more than that.
I was already impaired.
It's like if I was standing on a railroad track and I say, oh my gosh, a train is coming.
And I just stand there and don't move.
That's how impaired I was.
That's what I'm telling you about looking so milky as I told you that anyone would have taken that, anyone sober.
I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it.
Would have taken that drink, would have taken that glass out of that bar, walked out with that glass and kept it and taken it to a lab to find out what was put in the drink.
That's the only way to tell that something was put in the drink was to have the glass itself with the contents in the glass.
I didn't even cross my mind.
So I was already impaired at that point.
I wasn't, I saw it.
I do not believe these things can happen without the complicity of the bartender.
He had to know what was happening, Dina.
and move down the bar.
That was down here, but I saw it and I didn't connect with it. - I do not believe these things can happen without the complicity of the bartender.
He had to know what was happening, Dina. - I'll tell you that bar manager is about as nasty a person as I've ever seen.
He actually physically looks demonic.
He has that long, pointy, red beard.
This is a bartender now?
He's a bar manager.
Yes, he tends the bar part-time.
He's a manager, but he also... You should not go back there ever!
Of course not.
Well, of course not now, Jim, but the first time... Yeah, but I'm saying, I'm saying, he's a predator!
That's what I said right off the bat.
I think this is a dangerous place for women.
If you've got a bartender who's coordinating with other men, you know, to rape women, it's a perfect scenario, perfect setup.
Well, and as I said, I would never go back there again, but let me tell you something.
Malibu has a lot of really messed up people.
People take enormous amounts of drugs in Malibu.
People are unemployed.
They have trust fund kids.
They are full of themselves.
They're narcissists.
They've never accomplished anything in their lives.
Prop 13 has allowed them to live in multi-million dollar houses for $300 a month.
Because the property tax is set back in 1980 or 1978 or whatever it is.
So you've got some really problem people in Malibu.
Meaning, you see people go off like nut jobs on a regular basis.
This guy went off like a nut job.
I rode off as, oh, another weird Malibu person.
You have to get over it because it happens all the time.
At the same time, there's some great people in Malibu and very successful people in Malibu as well.
But those people are leaving by and large.
Just think about what you're saying here.
You are a successful woman.
You're an attorney.
Very accomplished.
and do a lot of drugs, and they get to be 50 or 60, and they are completely out of the way. - Just think about what you're saying here.
You are a successful woman, you're an attorney, very accomplished, you have books.
That makes them feel inferior and resentful.
They want to take it out on you, Dina.
They want to take your success and achievement out on you, punish you for it, because it's far more success than they'll ever attain.
They're incapable of it.
It makes them feel inadequate.
They're going to compensate by punishing you sexually.
Well, I understand that because when I did study the feminist misogyny literature for my book, for my second book, I did read about that, and misogyny is often about wanting control over women sexually.
It's about sexual control.
Yeah, yeah.
Form of control and punishment, yeah.
Well, and punishment for making them feel a certain way.
Yeah, making them feel inadequate.
It's unfulfilled.
Well, and this is why, this is the thing that bothers me.
Someone will say, well, I've never been roofied.
Well, I've been there.
Okay, you've never been roofied.
Okay, let's talk about who gets roofied, okay?
Generally speaking, it's girls who are young.
It's women who are between 15 and 25.
Same with rape.
Rape is more about youth than it is about gender.
Because someone over 40 is like 30 times less likely to get raped than someone under 25.
That's a fact.
I don't have it exactly, but I have the stats I think in the book.
I'm giving you a ballpark.
So to recap, the stats let us know that it's not just about gender, it's about youth.
It's also about looks.
Why do I know that?
Because the young women look better generally.
Women who are 22, 24 are much more sexually attractive to men generally than women 40 or 50 or 60.
Sure, but Dina, you're in a high target category to make men feel inadequate.
You know, and it's been in a certain range, you know, in a certain category, and you were in that environment with women.
With individuals of that character and they resented you massively.
I understand.
Massively.
In my opinion, this could not have happened without the complicity of the bartender.
I think the bartender played a role.
I think the manager because it came to my, I believe it came to the table quite clearly with something wrong with it because it hit me so hard.
But here's the thing, my impression was always that Women who are real bitchy, women who are, you know, who are maybe pretty, but they're real snooty and they don't treat men very well.
Those women I could see being loopied and harassed, but I tend to be really nice to people.
I tend to be really friendly.
I don't act like I'm better than anybody.
I don't even see life that way.
I was once scolded by another professor because I don't brown nose the way that other professors do to get ahead.
And I knew all the janitors by name at my law school.
And this older professor said to me, Dina, I don't know any of their names.
How do you know their names?
I said, I asked them for their names.
I don't care if it's a janitor or the dean.
In fact, I respected the janitors a thousand times more than Dean Douglas.
He is a terrible man.
The janitors were nice people.
So I don't care about rank.
I don't treat people with an attitude of don't talk to me or try to talk to me.
I think that's rude.
We're all in this place together.
We've got a terrible situation going in our world right now.
We've got a terrible situation going in our country.
We need solidarity more than ever before.
So I'm nice and friendly and engaging.
I would have thought until that night that that would sort of diffuse any kind of hatred.
Like, well, she's really nice.
It's okay.
She's not like, but now I'm thinking, I think this was planned probably before I got there at this point.
Because the weird thing that, this is the night before Memorial Day in Malibu on the beach.
Why was no one in the bar?
We didn't think about it.
We walked, but 7.30 is kind of early.
So that was, I didn't think, later I thought back and said, why was that bar so empty?
That was weird.
And another thing that happened, I'm trying to figure out what happened with this, but we were gonna order drinks and food.
We had ordered one drink and the tab came to me and I paid it.
I'm already a little bit loopy at this point, but my question is, Why would they bring me the tab when we were going to order food?
Was I so loopy I asked for it?
I don't know what happened but my point is had I not already paid I would have gotten up and ran out of that place without paying.
I was absolutely one minute talking just like we are right now and one minute terrified saying I've been drugged and like literally almost running out the door walking to the beach trying to clear my head.
So that's so many weird facts.
That is very curious, I agree.
You've been there how many times?
Oh gosh, over the last 10 years I've probably been there probably on average five times or 50 times.
I don't know, but I'm to Halloween parties there.
We've done it for a drink, we've done it for a snack.
You've been there 50 times?
I'm going to guess 50, 10 years, five times a year on average.
Wow, wow.
But it was different management though.
And this guy, the bearded guy, the red bearded guy, I had not ever seen him until we were in, the same girlfriend and me were in about a month or two ago, I can't say the day, I don't know offhand, but we were there several weeks ago, and it was the same guy, it was the first guy, the first time I ever saw him.
And are you paying with a credit card?
Yes.
Because, I mean, it's a perfect opportunity to copy your credit card, you know, and all that too, if you've got an unscrupulous bartender who's Processing payments?
It's a bad setup, Dina.
Well, let's talk about now some of this.
I don't know if you had a chance to look at some of these things online, but I put a note up on next door to warn my neighbors.
First thing I did was warn my neighbors.
I really didn't think about going to police or going to ER.
I mean, first of all... Oh, you definitely should file a police report, Tina.
I did, but they're waiting for lab reports.
So I did call the Illinois sheriffs.
The first time I called, they said, get us a positive lab report, then we'll take a report.
But what if the lab, what if these guys were so connected or so powerful, they have the best drugs that do not show up?
My doctor today in Houston told me fentanyl and certain other drugs do not show up.
If these guys are connected halfway as much as I think they might, they're going to have the best stuff you can't find.
Yeah.
So the sheriffs are telling me they want to see the reports.
But keep in mind, Bill Cosby, those women, none of them have reports.
They all described taking a contact or taking some pill.
Believe me, they're going to go out of their way to leave as little evidence or indication of how this was done or who did it as possible.
This is not the first time.
This is not their first rodeo.
This is not their first rape, I would surmise.
That's what someone else said to me, and the lawyer said to me.
The way they did this was such audacity, putting so much in my drink that I literally, and thank God I hadn't eaten because you know when they were doing the smallpox vaccine trials way back in the 1800s, they would fast, the subjects would fast for a couple of days before they took the injection because when you have no food in your system and you get injected with poison,
your body can eliminate it faster because I don't know why for sure, but I think it's because digestion takes about 70 percent of your energy up.
So if you take digestion out of your day and you have a body with no food in it, your body is going to be much more capable of detoxifying itself because it doesn't have all that energy being spent on digestion.
So as luck would have it, when I got poisoned, I hadn't eaten for 24 hours.
I think that's absolutely vital and the fact that you vomited up most of it.
Those two probably saved you from whatever fate awaited you because you were being targeted.
I have no doubt.
Everyone says that.
And everyone says that.
And there's something else I don't want to go into detail about.
But something went missing from my house in the same time frame.
I don't know exactly what day.
But something went missing from my house.
It was something somebody gave me.
And I think that possibly could tie into all of this.
My key was with an agent.
At least two people had access to my house.
One of them I know is the same friend I was with.
She's a friend.
There's no way.
The other one I don't know as well, but anyone could have possibly, I don't know, but the fact that that item went missing from inside my house that is related to some of the people I'm talking about, that seems weird to me.
So there's been a lot of really weird pieces of evidence that point to really sinister motives and people with a lot of power.
People who can do things other people can't do.
By the way, my blood sample was lost by the lab.
I know, I can't.
That's really unbelievable, Dina.
Blood samples are treated with a very precise gene at custody.
That should never happen.
It shouldn't, especially when I was at, oh gosh, my doctor, I can't remember the name of the building now, a major, major outfit, Methodist down in Houston.
And I was in the lab on the fifth floor.
Which is part of the huge medical building.
And this is a lab that's got people waiting.
And they do tons and tons and tons of tests.
So I said, what happened?
And the different people in the lab told me different stories.
One said, well, someone left the blood out.
This is for the heavy metal testing, for like poison.
But one said, well, someone left the blood out and it got coagulated so it couldn't be used.
But that's not what I heard from the other.
The phlebotomist told me something different.
She said something like they mislabeled it or they lost it.
I can't remember what she said.
I mean, I'm just talking to these people going, well, what is it?
So I'm gonna get a report from my doctor saying what happened to my blood test on June 1st.
Because remember June 1st is just a couple days after when it happened.
It happened May 28th at about 7.45 p.m.
to 8 o'clock p.m.
So now that blood's been lost and every day I've been going to hot yoga and going to infrared sauna and going into the pool and doing hot tubs.
So I'm detoxing and fasting and this is my third day of no food.
I'm on day three of no food whatsoever other than a little piece of avocado because pastors say you can.
If you're really hungry take a little piece of avocado because it really makes you feel full for a while.
But I'm on day three of just soups and juices.
I'm trying to detox.
So I'm detoxing fast I would say and with the saunas and all that.
And so the five days my expert witness who does this kind of testimony says those five days may have lost you that evidence.
So that lab is responsible possibly for losing evidence I needed.
So there's other tests that can be done.
My doctor is helping me talk to some Really high-end people who do testing to find things.
But something else would happen, Jim, I want to tell you about this, because there's a company, I don't have it offhand with me right now, it's in the room, but a company, I called to get cell phone data.
Remember 2000 Mules?
Do you remember in 2000 Mules how they proved who was at the same drop-off boxes, they were every single drop-off box in Philadelphia the same day, by tracing the cell phones.
They were talking about how you can buy cell phone data.
So I contacted this company, I said, I wanna buy cell phone data at one location on one night.
I wanna know every single cell phone that was in that place that night, right?
So they scheduled an appointment with me, and I was supposed to call them at whatever it was, 4.15 tomorrow, the 7th, and all of a sudden, I get home after seeing my doctor, and they canceled on me.
This company canceled an appointment to possibly make money Because I'm trying to buy their services.
Why did they cancel on me?
So that struck me as another thing that I didn't like.
Someone may not want me to obtain that information.
I don't know.
I'm just always surprised when someone has a lead and I'm telling them I want to buy information from you.
They set up a call and they turn around and cancel it the next day.
We'll see if they'll take my call later but I I feel like there's some really powerful people behind this, and it bothers me a lot that various people who seem to be involved are either from Ireland or are here and are Irish, and I don't know much about Irish.
My mom was half Irish.
I always thought, oh, I want to go to Ireland.
I never thought twice about it.
I know a little bit about the Irish Republican Army, just because of like the crying game.
I don't know anything, but I am told That there is such a thing as an Irish Mafia, and I don't have any idea if this has anything to do with that.
It could just be a really nasty thing to do to a woman who's very strong, but it feels worse than that.
It feels like the way they honed in on me and not my friend, all of it just seemed planned.
It felt planned.
Did you read any of the comments on Nextdoor?
Did you read any of the comments I gave you, Jim?
I sent you three PDFs of the comments.
Let me, let me look for them, Dina.
Oh, well, if you didn't do it already, I mean, it's kind of a show, it's a 50-page document.
Let me just tell you what happened.
I put it online, and the first thing that happened, people started saying, you've got to go and get a blood test right away.
And I see, I just, I just, I hadn't, I was warning my neighbors, but I just, Even now, the next morning, I wasn't really with it.
And by the way, I never left the house that day because I had a painter come in.
I wasn't feeling well.
But that evening, I had a dinner date with a neighbor and I never met her son or her husband.
So I dragged myself down there and the dog started barking when I walked in.
I mean, it was the most excruciating pain.
And we were saying, I'm so sensitive to sound.
Well, I'm not usually that sensitive to sound.
Whatever this drug was, Could it have been fentanyl?
Bad things.
Could it have been fentanyl?
I don't know what fentanyl does to someone.
I wouldn't know.
But yes, sure.
Bad things.
A lot of very, very bad things.
Yeah, I know that there was some fentanyl in Malibu, oh gosh, a year or two ago.
And a bunch of surfers I knew all took it and they all died.
Billy Wilson died that night.
A guy named Boyd died that night.
And three other surfers died.
And Billy was in his car and just, I mean, started rotting in his car.
He was at the beach in his car in the parking lot at Surfrider Beach.
This is what I'm told.
And someone smelled something and he was dead inside.
So I know fentanyl is very dangerous.
I never heard of fentanyl until this episode.
I'm like, what is fentanyl?
They said some kind of synthetic heroin.
So yeah, it's very dangerous.
But anyway, so most of us are saying go get tested, go get tested, go get tested.
And then the owner got on.
This is where I feel is kind of interesting.
The owner got on and said, you know, I've reached out to her.
And I saw that I got back on and said, "Hey, wait a minute.
What number did you call?
I never got an email from you.
I never got a phone call." And then a guy named John Fulcher gets on and says, "She's fabricating the story." Fabricate.
That's slander, by the way.
Who's slander?
That's slander because Bill Cosby's accusers were called liars.
Who claimed you had fabricated the story?
John Fulcher, probably the most unattractive man I've ever seen in my life.
I looked him up online.
Was he there?
Was he there?
No, Jim.
Listen, let me tell you the story about him.
No, he lives in Oak Park in the middle of a valley.
He lives nowhere near Malibu.
This is a Malibu neighborhood nextdoor.com group.
He's not even supposed to be in the group.
A truly evil-looking, obese, bald guy who's out there in Oak Park in a house he paid, I guess, $200,000 for, according to the online research.
He had two sales in 2017, and I don't know if he's ever had a sales.
He's a real estate agent.
So this guy gets on and falsely accuses me of making up a story, slanders me, and no doubt has no idea that that's actionable.
You cannot call a woman a liar for making a crime report unless you can prove it.
So, you know, this is this John Fulcher guy, but most people were very supportive.
Then there was one other person who was a real jerk, Darlene Luskin.
Now listen to this story.
Darlene Luskin, 79 year old Point Dune resident.
And she kept saying kind of nasty things to me online.
I can't remember what they all were, but so I finally looked her up and I get this.
Her husband owns the biggest Jet engine manufacturing company in the country.
Why does that matter?
Well, at least he says he does.
I can't remember the name of the company offhand.
I had it here.
Hang on, let me see if I can find it.
Why would that matter?
Well, the reason it could matter, here it is.
His company name is called CFM International.
She's married to this guy who owns CFM International, world's leading supplier of jet engines for single aisle aircraft.
Well, I'm not quite sure what that means, but remember, I started being General Counsel to U.S.
Freedom Flyers, the pilots, challenging the airlines about a year ago or so.
And I was working for U.S.
Freedom Flyers at this time.
And so I have to wonder, was that woman, and we're taking, you know, they're, I'm sorry, they are taking on the airlines, as are some other groups of pilots who are against the vaccine mandates.
And many pilots are sick now.
And I think I told you this before, the FAA, in response to all the pilots that cannot pass their heart standards to fly, they lowered the heart test.
They lowered the standards because not enough pilots could pass it to fly.
The standards have been in effect for many, many, many years.
After the COVID shots, they had so much myocarditis.
and myocarditis-type symptoms, they couldn't pass the exam.
There weren't enough pilots to go around.
So in response, the FAA lowers the heart exam to allow these people to fly who could not have flown two years ago because they couldn't have passed the test.
I'm wondering, does she have her own motives?
Darlene Lester.
There's a story like yesterday of a private plane with four aboard and the pilot collapsed and crashed into a mountain and they were all killed.
But I'll bet you he dropped dead.
He died suddenly.
Stu Peters is recorded.
These people take the vaccine and they dropped dead.
Gina, I mean, it's horrific.
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It's happening all the time.
And a 26-year-old young man I know in Houston, it happened to him recently.
Someone put something in his drink in Houston.
Another friend of mine had it happen to her spouse at a restaurant.
These are being roofied?
Yes.
Well, yes.
And this also, by the way, in this restaurant, this friend of mine and her partner, the manager was acting really weird that night, especially friendly, she said.
At the end of the meal, he brought them a bunch of free shots of whiskey, like a flight of whiskey.
And the partner, listen to this, the partner drinks time she didn't, she just slumped over in her chair.
She had to carry her home.
But by 3 a.m. she was fine.
That's probably real roofie.
But the manager did it.
The restaurant did it.
This is my point.
Sullivan's nine years ago, it was absolutely positively the bartender.
There was no one near me and my friend.
We were dancing right by our drinks.
There was no one around us.
No one approached the bar.
I took a tiny bit of that money.
This is being done by bartenders and by restaurant managers and people who work inside the restaurants.
It's not a patron.
How did she avoid being raped?
How did she get home when she was incapacitated?
She was with her partner, her partner, her spouse.
Thank goodness.
Thank goodness.
Yeah.
But keep in mind, one of them was running for the political office.
And one of them, this person who was running for political office is a powerful, very smart person.
And that person may have been the target.
Let's imagine if that person had taken the whiskey shots.
And that is she got all sloppy and felt they could have gotten pictures of her like that.
And they could have put them online and made her look bad.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
Get the photograph.
Yeah, absolutely.
I have to tell you, there's so much evil in this world right now that I think that you can't assume just because someone works at a hotel or just because they work at a restaurant, they must be okay.
If someone works as a police officer, he must be okay.
Or he's a lawyer, he must be okay.
No.
And doctors too.
There's really weird, there's always been weird doctors who like to play God, poop his bodies and play with them and test them or whatever.
But this world has gotten really, really scary.
And I mean, I, you know, I don't, I don't know what to make of this, but the first thing we're going to try to do is find out what that was.
If we can find out what it was, we can decide whether it was just an attempt to date rape or whatever you call it.
Dean, if you can get that videotape, if they have a security tape and you can get that, but if they're involved, they're going to destroy it or it'll be unavailable or the camera wasn't running or whatever.
Well the owner seems like a nice guy.
My neighbors on the nextdoor.com said he's a nice guy who care about this.
I have not met him at all.
The only one there I can tell you is truly nasty.
Nasty is that red bearded bar manager who was so nasty about a month and a half ago whatever it was.
He could have set it up for crying out loud.
Well, I suspect... Well, when I thought it was a roofie, when I thought it was just someone wanting, you know, sex, I thought, well, that guy doesn't like me.
That guy's not going to want to roofie me because I can tell... I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't like any women, if you know what I'm saying.
This guy was so nasty.
So I thought he wouldn't want to roofie me.
He wouldn't probably want to touch me, right?
Because he's hateful toward me.
He set you up for others.
Well, the other guy seemed really, you know, especially the... The fact that he was so fixated on you is very revealing to me.
Well, both of them were.
That's what's so weird.
The bartender was... the most fixated one was the obese guy who came to our table after my drink was served and got... and just hung... My friend said, he was just all over you.
He was just... he was staring into my eyes.
Was he possibly putting something in your drink at that point?
No, the drink was right in front of me at that point.
I call him the Willie Nelson guy.
This guy came in and looks a little bit like Willie Nelson.
Kind of thin, really rough skin, dried skin.
I think kind of straggly, kind of mid-color brown, light brown hair.
He's a local guy from where my friend said.
My friend has seen that guy before.
He joined us after the other two Irish guys joined us who I'm going to say are Irish because I believe they're Irish and they didn't start talking about being from Stratford-upon-Avon until I was so out of it I never heard that conversation.
So that guy The Willie Nelson looking guys, he really distracted me.
And I'm thinking to myself, that would have been the time.
If those guys at that table put something in my drink, that would have been the time.
But why didn't my friend notice?
Well, maybe she was looking to, I wasn't, I was, when someone squeezes you like that, you look at them.
And that's what you tend to do.
And I remember he was squeezing me so hard around the waist, I thought, that's really inappropriate.
But he definitely got my attention.
It was being squeezed.
I was being squeezed so hard it sort of made my adrenaline rush.
It was too much.
But again, I know how it is in Malibu.
I'm familiar with the surfing crowd.
They are very rough, very physical.
And if you make a fuss to get your hands off me, all of a sudden it's going to be a big scene and I just, it's not worth it.
Ask any woman whether it's worth it most of the time.
to say something if a guy sort of hugs you or does something like that and they don't appear to be grabbing a private part or doing something really sexual.
You just put up with a lot.
We have to.
If you don't, especially in that community, in the Surfer Beach community, you will, you know, possibly draw anger from people.
And because they are oftentimes filled with drugs, the surfer crowd is filled with drugs, Oh gosh, fentanyl, heroin, cocaine, you name it.
Pot, yeah, but pot to me is, if it's unadulterated, it's probably not nearly as dangerous as some of the drugs.
Pot, surfers have always smoked pot, but today I'm hearing pot can be laced too.
I heard from UCLA about six years ago, when some of the kids were getting into some weird stuff, I talked to some researchers, they said that they found everything under the sun, pot, including fentanyl, So apparently these drugs are really available, but whatever was put in my drink was really, really strong, and with the pain I had, the excruciating pain, I have to wonder if I would have survived had I not thrown up so much of it.
Yeah, I think you were lucky, Dina.
I think you were lucky, actually.
It was very circumstantial.
I don't have any doubt you were targeted.
I think it was a setup.
All this is my opinion based on everything you've told me, but I think that the bartender orchestrated it and these other guys were targeting you and they were thinking of all the things they were gonna do to you when you were unconscious.
And as I recall, they were talking and we walked in and he would have had an opportunity to say, I can't stand that woman.
She thinks she's somebody or whatever they might have said.
I don't know what they said.
This is why I turn to God.
This is why I believe that someone was looking out for me that night.
I also believe if they think they're going to get away with this, I may never get the information, but I believe there will be consequences.
And what the Bible says, vengeance is mine.
Right?
The Lord says, you've got to take care of it.
Of course, I'll fall for an investigation.
Of course, I'll do what I can.
But if they think they're going to get away with this, I think the time is coming when they're going to learn at the most inopportune time that there is a God and God God does judge you, and that's what the Bible says.
You are judged.
I mean, it's a very giving, benign God.
In my mind, I believe that it's a very kind God.
I can't explain all the tragedies in the world.
What I can say is He gave us free will.
But if you read Revelation, it says the vast majority are going to be killed, forever, by God.
So, you know, is there evil in the world?
Yes.
Is God making the evil?
No.
Is He allowing it to happen?
Yes.
Why?
No one knows.
No one knows.
He wants us to figure it out ourselves, apparently.
He wants us to fix the world ourselves.
Thanks everyone for listening.
Thank you, Jim, so much.
My great pleasure, Dina.
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