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Feb. 25, 2023 - Jim Fetzer
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The Epidemic of Sudden Death - Tucker Carlson with Edward Dowd
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Welcome to Tucker Carlson Today.
You'd think if huge numbers of your own citizens start dying for reasons no one can pinpoint, that you would care enough to find out why.
Of all the measurements the federal government takes, there's almost an infinite number of those, whether or not people are alive is the most simple of all.
You're either dead or alive.
So we know how many people have died The question is why?
Now, to give you a sense of what this phenomenon looks like, we're going to read an excerpt, a very quick excerpt, from a book called Cause Unknown, The Epidemic of Sudden Death in 2001 and 2002.
Here's the excerpt.
By 2017, around 2.8 million Americans died.
2018 was the same again.
2019, about the same again.
Not surprisingly, 2020 saw a spike in deaths, smaller than you might imagine, some of which could be attributed to COVID and to initial treatment strategies that were not effective.
But then, in 2021, the stats people expected went off the rails.
The CEO of the One American Insurance Company publicly disclosed that during the third and fourth quarters of 2021, death in people of working age, that is 18 to 64, was 40% higher than it was before the pandemic.
Significantly, the majority of the deaths were not attributed to COVID.
A 40% increase in deaths is literally earth-shaking, and not only for the devastated families and communities that directly experience their deaths.
Even a 10% increase in excess deaths would have been a 1-in-200-year event.
in 200 year event, but this was 40%.
So those are the facts.
You may not have even heard that before, because clearly they have been suppressed.
Why?
And what do they point to?
One man who has basically dropped everything in his life to get to the answer, because it's an important question, is Ed Dowd.
He's a founding partner at Finance Technologies, a global investment firm, and he's the author of the book we just cited, Cases Unknown, The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 and 2022.
He joins us now.
Ed Dowd, I'm grateful that you're here.
Thanks for having me on, Tom.
And that you did this.
So, before, I want to spend the next hour talking about what you have found and what it means.
But first, from what I know about you, which is limited, but it doesn't seem like the background that would lead to this kind of research.
So, ground us really quickly in who you are.
Where are you from?
What have you done with your life?
Sure.
I'm a long Wall Street careerist, currently a founding member of Finance Technologies.
My experience spans credit markets and equity markets.
After college, I joined HSBC, which is a global investment bank.
Hong Kong Shanghai Bank.
I was a bond salesman for five years.
Went back to business school, then worked at DLJ, Donalds, Lufkin, and Genrette, which is an equity research shop.
Learned how things happen on Wall Street.
I was there for the dot-com fraud.
Right down the hall from me, I was an electric utility analyst.
I saw the dot-com fraud unfold where all the due diligence that we used to do for companies before bringing them public was suspended.
I remember.
You remember that.
Pets.com, bigger than American Express, yes.
And then I went up to Boston to go become a technology analyst at a firm called Independence Investment Advisors.
And there I saw the dot-com fraud unfold in real time.
I parlayed my good calls there into a job at BlackRock as a portfolio manager, managing what was then a $2 billion asset-sized large-cap growth fund.
And there we grew it to $14 billion over 10 years, steered our investors through the great financial fraud that I saw and witnessed as well.
So my whole career I've seen fraud.
I've seen fraud over and over again.
And so why is a guy like me talking about this?
It's just such an interesting background.
I mean, you're not a public health person, spent your life in banking, finance, Wall Street, you know, related.
And what we do on Wall Street is, we live in the, well at least I do, and those who are good at this live between perception and reality.
So we make money when we find a reality that is not yet observable to everybody else.
Yes, exactly.
And we take advantage of that.
Usually we load up on a stock before this reality becomes apparent to the herd.
They have a perception that is different.
And if I'm right, I make a lot of money for my shareholders and my clients.
So what did I see in 2021 that really disturbed me?
So just to be clear, that's what you were doing in 2021?
I was trading the markets with my own personal money.
Yeah, yeah, but completely unrelated for you.
You're just a citizen, obviously a high IQ citizen, but like not in a related business at all.
Not in a related business.
But what I do for a living is notice trend changes and pattern recognition.
So that's what I did my whole career.
My job was to get ahead of the herd.
And when I saw a trend, which usually started off anecdotally.
We do something similar.
So I get it.
You get it.
I mean, this isn't rocket science, you know.
But you hear someone say, like, what is that?
Like, I noticed this.
What is this?
Yeah, so I noticed basically in 2021 sudden athletic deaths.
I had never, you know, which I, you know, I grew up, you grew up, we all played soccer and went to high school and college, junior high, and these types of things did not occur with regularity.
They were so rare that they were highlighted with much fanfare.
They started happening all over the place with little fanfare, only local news stories.
I started hearing of that and then in my friend circle on Maui, I didn't know anybody who got COVID in 2020 on Maui.
You didn't know anybody who got COVID?
No, not in my friend group.
I heard of people who knew people who got COVID, but not in my friend group.
Then all of a sudden people started getting COVID all the time in 2021.
And additionally, I started hearing about injuries and weird things.
So-and-so's uncle died.
I didn't know one person who died in 2020 in any of my friends' circles, my family back home.
No one.
No one I knew.
But then we started hearing stories of people dying in 2021 as opposed to 2020.
So I started suspecting the vaccine.
I noticed the same thing!
Yeah.
Didn't know anyone who died of COVID.
Knew a number of people who died after.
Yeah, yeah.
And so I noticed this and I said to myself, well, hmm.
I bet you if this is a problem and I'm correct, it's going to start showing up in insurance company results and funeral home results.
Meaning, if I'm right and people are dying above trend, funeral home stock earnings should be above trend.
And so just to be clear, you're not getting paid for this?
No, no.
You're just doing this because you're interested?
Well, I'm interested and I was just interested.
I personally didn't take the vaccine and I tried to warn people, don't get it.
But, you know, no one was really listening to me in the summer.
I did the same.
But why?
Why did you?
The overwhelming majority of people in your world, which is to say, you know, upper-income, college-educated, you know, white-collar people.
Right.
You literally have a white collar on right now.
I do.
Took the Vax.
Your age, you look to be in 50s, 40s, 50s, something like that.
56.
Okay, so we're about the same age.
Everybody took the vaccine, but you didn't.
Why?
Just pause for a second.
Why didn't you?
For me, a couple of reasons.
First, it was an experimental, novel technology that hadn't been tested on humans yet.
And so I did a little research and I found that the animals didn't do so, didn't fare so well.
in these trials that they had tried before, that the research was bad.
So I knew that something was up there.
Then secondly, Operation Warp Speed sounded like a disaster to me. - Yeah. - Okay.
Anything warp speed, you know, safety corners cut.
I mean, that's just-- - No, I love the way you think.
It's totally right!
And, you know, I'm a guy that understands how manufacturing processes work because I'm on Wall Street and I have to understand these things, and I knew that anything rushed is, you know, writ large with errors.
Then the other thing that I knew is that from my experience on Wall Street and studying health care companies my whole career, it takes seven to ten years for a normal vaccine to be tested for safety before it's put into the arms of people.
We were going to do this in warp speed time.
The clinical trial only lasted 28 days.
And I knew something was fishy there.
So I personally said to myself, well, I'm going to wait.
I'll watch what happens to other people.
Yeah.
And so I did.
But then when the vaccine mandates hit in the summer of 2021, and what our current president did with the mandates, and a lot of the Fortune 500 companies mandating these vaccines, that's when I said, I've had it.
And I literally prayed to God to be of service.
And God answered my prayers when Dr. Malone came to the island of Maui, where I live, in October, and I was able to meet up with him and told him what I was going to do, which was monitor the insurance company results and the funeral home results.
And he took my small Twitter following at the time, about 12,000, and he started to amplify my voice.
And then I started getting on Bannon's War Room in February of 2022.
You prayed to God to be of service.
Yes.
What a wonderful prayer that is.
And he answered.
Yeah.
Incredible.
Yeah.
And he's given me a voice.
And my voice in February of 21, I asked for people to ... I said, I want to be a lightning rod.
And sure enough, people answered.
And I got an insurance expert from Wall Street to help me analyze the insurance results.
Later that year, two PhD physicists that I founded this company with are helping me analyze the excess mortality.
We've written methodology papers on how to calculate excess deaths properly.
We have a website called the Humanity Project at Financetechnologies.com that has all the excess deaths that have occurred in Europe, UK, Germany, Australia, and the US.
We have the data, we have the evidence, and there's a large global murder scene that just occurred.
So walk us back just a second.
So you decide That you're going to approach this as a Wall Street analyst would by looking at the effects.
Correct.
You're going to talk to insurance companies and mortuaries, funeral homes, people who deal with the dead.
Right.
The final stage of this whole thing.
What did you find?
So your first couple calls on that.
Well, I didn't even need to call these people.
I listened to their conference calls.
I watched their earnings reports.
So in the first quarter of 2022, the insurance companies reported for the fourth quarter of 2021, and they saw excess loss ratios all over the place in what's specifically called group life policy.
And the reason we focused on group life policy is because it's a business that is shorter duration contracts, one to two years, so that's, you know, insurance companies have Byzantine accounting.
And group life policies reset very quickly, so we knew the losses would show up there first, and they did.
And let me describe what a group life policy is.
This is a policy you get when you're on board or a fortune 500 company or midsize company.
It's basically a throwaway benefit.
When you sign on at age 25, you sign your health care form, you pick your PPO or HMO, and then you sign your death and disability form.
And this is provided to these corporations by insurance companies.
And should you die while being employed, you get one or two extra salary.
Or if you're disabled on the job, then you get disability cash flow payments.
Something surprising happened to these.
And by the way, these are very low risk benefits for the company.
It's great money for insurance companies and low risk for the companies themselves, because you're not expected to die between ages 25 and 44, which we call the millennials.
You're not supposed to die.
It just doesn't happen.
Sometimes there's accidental deaths, but for the most part, you're not supposed to die.
Well, something strange occurred in 2021, and while I was writing my book in 2022, a report came out from the Society of Actuaries.
These are the people that do this for a living, and they surveyed 80% of the group life revenues of the country, and they found 40% excess mortality in 2021.
40%.
As you read earlier, Scott Davidson from One America, CEO of One America, said that a 10% rise is a once-in-a-200-year flood.
40% is unheard of.
So something happened to that.
And let me also paint this picture.
The Society of Actuaries did a report in 2016 to prove what they already knew.
This is a great business because people don't die.
And why don't they die?
Because they're the healthiest amongst us.
So they did a report, and this group-like policy population dies at 30 to 40 percent the mortality rate of the general U.S.
population in any given year.
So they're just healthier.
Makes sense.
They're younger.
They're younger.
You have access to the best health care.
You're the most well-educated amongst us.
So that's just a proven fact.
That relationship is held.
That's why this is such a good business for insurance companies, because you're underwriting something that you probably don't have to pay out.
Well, they started paying out big last year, and they also noticed that in 2021, I said 40% excess mortality for ages 25 through 64.
They also said, surprisingly, the US general population had 32% excess mortality.
So a generally healthier group experienced a flip in outcomes.
So unhealthy people, I suspect and surmise, had a choice, whereas the people working for Fortune 500 and mid-sized companies did not.
So that relationship flipped in 21.
That's unbelievable!
Yeah, yeah.
What was your experience with mortuaries?
Service Corporate International, which is one of the public and funeral home companies, is, I think, close to all-time highs in terms of stock price.
They, if you monitor their conference calls and look at what they expected, they'd expected, obviously, COVID deaths.
They got a bump in business, but they expected it to come down and normalize.
And they kept having to Raised their numbers every quarter saying that they were seeing excess deaths and unit growth.
This is called same-store sales.
They were seeing unit growth, same-store sales, which they weren't expecting.
And recently they said on their call that COVID's over, we're seeing a sustained rate of deaths that we think is going to continue.
They didn't name it, they didn't name the vaccine, but they Business is good.
Business is good.
So just to zoom out a little bit, there's no question as a factual matter that this is happening.
A lot more people are dying and it's not from COVID.
No, the facts are excess mortality has risen in 21 and 22 and continues into 23.
Now, I just want to get this out of the way early.
We're sure it's not COVID, that these are not lingering effects of COVID.
I mean, do we know that?
Well, I'm hearing lately that long COVID is an issue.
This is what I'm being told from people who argue against my thesis.
Yes.
But I've yet to see a study or a clinical definition of a long COVID.
If it was long COVID and there's this amount of death, we should be having a national discussion about long COVID.
But the lack of one seems to be telling.
And in fact, this whole issue of excess mortality doesn't seem to be something that the health authorities or global governments of the world care about at the moment.
In 2020, we had tickers.
We had a ticker at the bottom of a lot of these stations, like CNN and MSNBC, with the death count, the case count.
That's all disappeared.
The numbers are staggering.
Would you like to hear about the disability numbers?
Yes, I would.
So another data set that we went into in my book and we talk about a lot is U.S.
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
We know what these people do.
They do the employment report every month.
These are the people that report this non-farm payroll and all sorts of other interesting things.
And this is a monthly survey.
So this is high-frequency data.
And what I love about this data is it's statistically imputed through a telephone survey.
And what's great about this, it's not tied to social security claim or a doctor's notice.
People self-identifying as disabled, not able to work.
So the question's asked, are you disabled, not able to work?
Or is someone in your home disabled and not able to work?
And those numbers, prior to COVID, or before vaccines, I should say, were bouncing around between 29 and 30 million on an absolute basis for four or five years.
Then in February of 2021, we started to see what we call a year-over-year rate of change growth in that number took off.
And it took off so much that we noticed a three standard deviation event, which on Wall Street is geek speak, where it happens 0.03% of the time.
It's a trend change.
So if you imagine this as a stock, it's basing at 29 to 30 million, and then it inflects and goes like this.
Year-over-year growth takes off.
So where did the numbers go to?
We went to a high of 33.2 million in September of '22.
It's off a little bit from that, but it's still, unfortunately, trending up.
Now, the good news is the second derivative rate of change has slowed, but the numbers are still bad.
And we analyzed the numbers.
Of the 3.2 million newly disabled Americans, 1.7 million are employed, were employed, but they came from the employed population of the country.
Tell us why that's significant.
Because the employed people of this country are, generally speaking, by the very fact they wake up in the morning, get in their car and drive to work, are healthier than the general U.S.
population.
By the very nature of doing work, you're healthier.
That's a fact that's never been challenged before.
The health outcome for the employed has been disastrous.
Since February of 2021, their disability rate is up 31%.
And again, I said 1.7 million of the 3.2 are employed.
The general U.S.
population's disability rate is up 9% in the same time frame from February of 21 through November, December of last year.
More importantly, the not-in-labor force, those who quit or get fired, their disability rate's only up 4%.
And I suspect those are the people that either didn't take the vaccine or were fired or quit refusing to take the vaccine.
So those of us that have had the best health outcomes in the country since vaccination began are those not-in-labor force.
Amazing.
Yeah.
So let's flip it around for a second.
If, and I'm trusting that everything you said is true, it sounds provably true.
Yeah.
So if you presented that argument or those descriptions, those facts, that data set to any, I think, fair person, the first question that person would ask is like, whoa, vaccines seem implicated in this.
Is that the case?
All the coverage of this story, to the extent there's been any really, has worked backwards from the opposite assumption that we know vaccines aren't responsible.
What could this be?
Why is that?
It's an interesting phenomenon.
I'm a Wall Street guy.
I only know one thing that changed in 21 that I would start with if I was serious about investigating this as a health official or politician or anybody in authority.
I would say, well, the only thing that changed Using common sense and deductive reasoning is a mass vaccination campaign and mandates.
That's where I would start to explain that it's been detrimental to your health to be employed in 21 and 22.
Because clearly the numbers showed excess deaths have been higher for the employed and disabilities are higher for the employed.
So if it's not the vaccines, what is it?
At the very least, it's a national security issue.
I don't know why we're not talking about this nationally, but that's what I said to Senator Johnson when I visited him in December to go testify with the adopters.
But what would, so clearly, I mean again, I'm not being political here, I'm just trying to be rational.
Yeah.
What you have effectively is, is like the largest and most cohesive public relations campaign ever mounted on behalf of anything on behalf of Pfizer.
Correct.
So, cover-up.
It's a cover-up, obviously.
So, why?
Why would the government, and not just ours, but throughout the Anglosphere, certainly Europe for sure, partner with the media to protect a one publicly traded company called Pfizer?
What is that?
I, in my book, I obviously have speculations as to who and the why.
In my book, I left that out because I just want to say it's true, it's happening, why aren't we talking about it?
My conclusion was there's a cover-up at the very least.
Clearly!
Yeah.
So, trust me, I work in the media.
I can confirm what you suspect.
There's a cover-up.
Yeah.
I don't know that they're protecting Pfizer per se.
They're protecting all sorts of moneyed interests.
When this COVID thing happened, there were a lot of beneficiaries from it.
Central banks got off the hook from what I saw as a global slowdown.
They were able to print unprecedented amounts of money to cover up what we're going to have eventually as a global sovereign debt default that's coming.
So they got off the hook.
You had the tech companies excited looking in their chops for the new surveillance economy.
They knew that was coming.
So they joyfully entered into a partnership with the government to censor any dissent.
and they were going to be excited about those future cash flows of surveillance.
Then you had the pharma companies who were going to be able to make money off of what they saw were unlimited vaccine quarterly injections.
That was the plan at the time, quarterly boosters ad infinitum, under the color of law.
And then you had the media companies who were getting cash flows from pharmaceutical companies and also the government, We found out the government paid media companies to promote the vaccine.
So I don't view it as a bunch of people sitting in a room smoking cigars, laughing maniacally.
I just view it as momentum built and there was a conspiracy of interests.
And everybody now that the vaccine is coming to light, that it's causing death and injury, They all have an interest to keep this thing under wraps.
And I don't think it's a bunch of people conspiring to do it.
They all have their hand in the momentum and the disaster.
So they want to keep the lid on this, is my opinion.
You use the term disaster.
That doesn't sound like an overstatement.
No, not at all.
This is the greatest crime scene I've ever seen in my life, the greatest humanitarian toll we're ever going to talk about, and it's going to last with us for years to come.
The economic ramifications are stark.
If you see all these help wanted signs, they're from the disabled of America.
We don't have enough people to fill the So, and that's very noticeable, I think, if you're just conducting, well, your life in America, all of a sudden there's something wrong.
You know, our supply chains have been disrupted, but personnel has been disrupted.
There aren't enough people to do this, that, and the other thing.
But I wonder, like, wouldn't it be useful at this point to admit it?
I certainly think that needs to be admitted and we need to stop the vaccination programs immediately.
That's been my goal from day one.
I wrote the book for my loved ones and others' loved ones to convince them that they've been had and that they need to at the very least stop getting boosters.
That's why I wrote the book.
It's kind of a Paul Revere pamphlet to like, you know, the boosters are bad, the boosters are bad.
Because clearly there's no one in our media Or our government that are helping out on this front.
So Berenson says, Alex Berenson, who's followed this from the beginning, his conclusion is that the effects of the VAC seem to be cumulative.
So the more boosters, the higher your risk of injury.
Is that something that you have noticed?
That's, that is something that I believe to be the case.
And I'm hoping that that is the case.
Because if we can, the good news is booster uptake is way down.
Word of mouth is spreading.
So even though there's been no admission by those in authority, people are starting to hear the word.
My fear is that there are medium to long-term effects.
And the reason I say that is because the disability numbers aren't coming down, especially amongst the employed.
We just got the January numbers, and the employed population hit a new high in December, is off marginally in January.
And women especially were hit.
Women hit a new high in December as well, and their rate of change is even steeper than the employed.
So here's the general U.S.
population.
Employed women.
Employed women.
So whatever's going on is affecting women more so than men.
And it's a disaster.
And I just want to see this end as quickly as possible.
So just to sort of net it out, the cumulative death and injuries from the VAX, could they conceivably, in your view, surpass the toll from COVID itself?
Absolutely.
In fact, The 2020 was an interesting phenomenon.
I think there was two pandemics.
There was the pandemic from COVID and then the vaccine pandemic, whereas the vaccine started killing people.
In 2020, it was primarily older Americans that died.
And we're starting to hear and find out what I suspect is the case, that early treatment was suppressed to make way for the vaccine.
There's no question about that.
So, I think about 500,000 Americans died excessively in 2020, mostly old with comorbidities.
Had early treatment been allowed, I think we could have avoided a lot of those deaths.
Can I stop you right there?
Isn't that evil?
If you're discouraging treatment of... Oh, that's evil.
That is evil.
That's not...
Absolutely.
Like, I get share price and, you know, the emerging surveillance economy and all that stuff.
But, like, if you're preventing people from getting better and then they die, then you have, like, you have your accessory to murder, right?
Absolutely.
So there was a crime in year one, in my humble opinion.
Year two, there was a mixed shift from mostly old people who died in 2020 to 500,000 excessive deaths in 2020.
The makeshift was from old to young.
That's when the young folks started dying.
And you can see it globally across the Western nations.
In my book, I show country example after country example of younger age groups suddenly experiencing excess death once vaccination, max vaccination, was introduced into the country.
Wait, can you just give us something, and I'm sorry, I should have asked you about that earlier.
This is not an American phenomenon.
No, it's global.
But I use the U.S.
because we're in the U.S.
and the U.S.
data, the disability data coupled with the excess mortality data from group life, by the way, I want to point out these two data sets aren't mine.
It's Society of Actuaries and U.S.
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
These are the numbers.
And these numbers show that the employed of our country have been decimated in terms of health outcomes.
And this has happened globally.
OK, so is it true globally that the higher the percentage of vaccinated, the higher the death and injury rate?
Yes, so we ran some correlations that we're working on.
We haven't published them yet, but basically, the more vaccinated the country, the more linked it is to excess mortality, for sure.
So Israel, it just jumps right to mind because it's a small, very advanced country with good record keeping that had, I think, the highest vaccination rate in the world, or certainly one of them.
How is Israel doing?
We haven't done the Israel data yet, but I can tell you one country that is interesting is Denmark.
Denmark was one of the most highly vaccinated.
They had an interesting experience.
Every age cohort experienced greater excess mortality year over year.
So 2021 was over 2020 and 2022 was over 21 across all age cohorts.
and 2022 was over 21 across all age cohorts.
And it's in my book, and also, their death rate was on the decline, Their excess, their death rate was on the decline and it's jumped the shark and it's going back up.
So Denmark has experienced detrimental health outcomes.
Curiously enough, while I was writing the book, they effectively banned the vaccine for under 50, where they said, we'd rather you get COVID.
In Denmark.
than take the vaccine.
In Denmark.
In Denmark.
Now, people have argued with me about it's not a ban, but this is wordsmithing.
They effectively banned it for under 50 because they're not offering it to people under 50 anymore.
What about countries that didn't, are there any big population centers around the world that just didn't have widespread vaccination?
We're going to try to look at South Africa next because they didn't, the good news about South Africa is, and it's funny, I talk to people down there, the government didn't do a good job of implementing the vaccines.
It's kind of a failed state.
It is a failed state.
It's too inefficient to hurt their own people.
So in a good way, the vaccination rates are lower there.
I lived in DC for 30 years.
They're upsides.
Yeah.
So we're going to study the excess mortality there because their vaccination rates are lower and they have good death records.
People have suggested I look at a lot of the African nations, but we just don't have good records.
Right.
So it's not.
Yeah.
You can't.
Yeah.
You just can't look at the data.
Do you have any idea what's going on in Malawi one way or the other?
Right.
Yeah.
No, I completely get it.
That's interesting.
So, back to the United States.
These are not just, you know, minor indications.
These are unprecedented changes.
These are trends, as you put it.
Are there any public health authorities, like, where's HHS on this?
And where's CDC on this?
And where's NIH on this?
And like, all these acronym agencies are supposed to be, this is the work of their lives, right?
Keeping people from dying?
They're MIA.
All of them?
Yeah, all MIA.
I suspect they're all in cover-up mode.
Total cover-up mode.
But, you know, it's not just those agencies that are the problem.
I mean, we tried in March, April of 2022 to alert the insurance industry as to what's going on.
So Josh Sterling, who was in my book and was my partner on this, wrote letters to 100 CEOs.
of the insurance industry, the top 100 insurance companies.
We only received about 25 people on some calls we held with Dr. Malone, Dr. McCullough, Ryan Cole, and others, Pierre Corey, to alert them that here's a narrative you're not hearing.
Only about 25 people showed up, low-level, no one from the C-suite showed up.
And we got from that group about five people.
I have a whistleblower that I'm working with who's the chief actuary, but You wouldn't believe the inability for people to see what's right in front of them.
These are people... I would.
Well, yeah.
It's amazing.
These people all got their employees to get vaccinated.
They wholeheartedly leapt into the mandates.
And they're still having difficulty seeing... I totally believe that.
It's very obvious what's happening far away.
I can assess Pakistan pretty easily.
If I have an alcoholic spouse, I'm probably the last one to know.
Do you know what I mean?
Have you ever seen that before?
Right.
Well, the other phenomenon I've identified, and I saw this on Wall Street a lot, is you can't rationalize facts to someone whose position is based on emotion.
That's exactly right.
And that was a quote from my ethics professor at Indiana University, where I got my MBA.
I've never forgotten that quote, and I saw that on Wall Street all the time.
People would buy a stock, And it would become apparent there might be fraud there, but their ego was invested in it.
And I would say to them, look, this company may be fraudulent.
I'll use Enron as an example.
And these are conversations I had back then.
Ed, I talked to the CEO.
He told me.
Well, the CEO eventually went to jail.
So it's literally what we have in this country is like the authorities told you X.
But this is the evidence from why, but they're still hanging on to this because their ego and many people's ego and identification and tribal identities invested in this.
Well, and not only that, the victims are implicated in it too.
And that, I mean, that's something that we've talked a lot about on our show.
I mean, we love our audience, we're grateful for our audience, and our view, we don't have numbers on this, but our sense is You know, a pretty upscale audience and upscale Americans, by and large, got the vax.
Good people, by the way.
They were told to do it, they were assured it was safe, and they took it.
Why wouldn't they take it, actually?
Older people definitely took it, almost universally.
So, like, do they really want to hear about...
That's part of it, but we need to break that.
We need to have like a national conversation on this.
I'm not judging that at all.
Do you think that's part of it?
That's part of it, but we need to break that.
We need to have like a national conversation on this.
I mean, I personally chose not to get vaccinated, but I'm divorced and my, you know, the loving mother of my children got the vaccine.
My kids got the first dose.
Yes.
But now they're not listening to me.
I wrote a book, thank God, and they're not getting any more.
So this has affected everybody.
But you're kind of making the exact same point, and people I love got the vax too.
You know, I didn't, but people I really love did, and so it's hard to talk about, because Does that, you think that plays a role?
It does play a role, and again, this is not a conversation that a lot of people want to have.
No!
Especially if they took the vax.
But we need to have that conversation, because we need to stop it, because they're nuts.
We don't have watchdogs anymore.
I know.
They're gone.
In fact, if you read the mission statement we put on our website, Finance Technologies, the Humanity Project, we've declared ourselves the watchdog of the watchdogs, because there's no adults.
I know.
There's no one looking out for you.
You're actually on your own.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's why I'm opposed to gun control.
Just to be honest!
But leaving that aside, so a couple questions.
One, is anyone ever going to be punished?
There's something in people that wants justice.
And I don't think it has to be merciless or cruel or for its own sake, but you want to see people who knowingly did bad things brought to justice.
Like, why wouldn't you want that?
It's reassuring that there is a system and it works.
Do you have any confidence at all that people who knowingly, for example, forced Americans to take what turned out to be poison will ever be held accountable for that?
I certainly hope so, because if it doesn't look like we're going that way, The numbers, I think, will get so bad and people who are currently in denial will turn to anger.
And it's not going to be those of us who aren't vaccinated.
It's going to be the people who are part of their tribe.
They may turn to violence.
So this needs to be resolved before people get to violence.
Amen.
And if that doesn't happen, the violence will come.
And we need this current Congress that's Republican to open up investigations.
Is that not happening?
I have not gotten a call yet to come down to testify.
I'd love to be one of the people that's called to present my evidence, which is just basically, we're just guys counting ones and zeros.
Dead, not dead.
Disabled, not disabled.
The numbers speak for themselves.
Something's happened.
It's the vaccine.
If it's not, then we've got other issues.
Well, you're so obviously not a crackpot, and you're so obviously doing this for reasons utterly detached from personal benefit.
I mean... No, I've not made a dime on any of this.
Well, I bet it's probably hurt you, I would think.
Yeah.
No, I lost a lot of friends.
A lot of people thought I was crazy.
But, you know, the good news is this is the third time in my career this has happened to me.
During the dot-com boom, when I was an analyst, things were going straight up, and people said, Ed, it's a new paradigm.
And I got a job promotion because I went against that thought process.
And then in the great financial crisis, I was told, Ed, home prices never go down.
All you had to do was Google and find out that 50 years ago they did.
So that was a lie.
And I steered my firm through that, my fund at BlackRock.
We had about $5 billion at the time and grew to $14 billion after that because we got that call right.
So here I am on my third crazy call.
Saying the vaccines are killing you, please listen to me.
And I had, I've gone through some humiliation and derision, but it's nothing new to me and I don't care.
I'm one of those, I'm just wired to just... So that, that actually was my question.
Why, I'm sure you're like one of the smartest people at your firm, but like, probably smarter people.
Why didn't they see it and you did?
What is it about the way that you think that allows you to see what's invisible to others?
I've just been a cynic my whole life.
Is that what it is?
I'm a cynic and my job literally was to, when I was at BlackRock, we had CEOs come through our offices regularly.
I sat across the table from CEOs and I went into every meeting with, how are you going to lie to me?
That's how I, that's how my brain is wired.
Was your dad a cop?
No, my dad was an insurance executive.
No way!
So I go in with a lot of skepticism, and I like being ahead of the crowd.
So it's a pride thing, and I like making bold calls early.
And one of the things I did well in stock picking was getting out of stocks before they blew up and getting into them before everybody else found out what they were.
America's changed, though, because I remember after the 08 blow-up, Michael Lewis wrote a really, I thought, pretty good book about, like, the five guys who called it and got rich calling it, right?
And they were held up as heroes because they moved against the herd.
They fought independently.
They were brave.
They took a lot of shit for it, but they didn't care.
And in the end, they were rewarded.
Yeah.
I can't imagine a book like that being written today.
Moving against the herd's a good thing?
No, it's not.
Right.
Do you notice the change?
Yeah, there's a big change.
And what I saw going on when the mandates happened and I started speaking out, the way I felt, I felt very alone.
Yes.
Tell me about it.
I felt very alone, very isolated.
But you know what?
I said to myself, I did the worst case scenario in my head.
I was telling Gavin this recently, who wrote my afterword in the book.
I said, you know, my worst case scenario is, if they mandate this, and I need to do the, you know, if they fall through this, and this is the law of the land, I'm going to live in the jungles of Hana, which is the, you know, part of Maui, and I'm just going to run around with my loincloth, and that was my worst case scenario.
So, a worst case scenario of what would happen, and then I had no fear after that.
So, I did the same thing.
And, amen.
That's exactly right.
So, you just, you were forced to calculate, internally, Your own level of commitment to your ideas?
Correct.
And you decided it's total commitment?
Total commitment, no fear.
I've had zero fear.
And I literally don't care what anybody thinks of me.
Why?
Because I know I'm right and I know that what has happened to our country has been the most awful thing that could ever be imaginable.
But why are you not afraid?
Because I decided I'm not going to live in a world where I'm going to be mandated to take poison.
And you know I had my own experience with getting back to good health.
I had a mild depression and anxiety in 2011-12.
Because I took pharmaceutical products to help.
I'm sorry.
And I've cured myself without them.
What did you take?
You know, I took the, you know, the usual cocktail.
SSRIs.
Yeah, SSRIs.
Benzos.
And they made me worse.
It made me worse.
And so, I came out of it through spiritual healing.
You know, basically, I've come to believe depression is inability to accept the circumstances of your life.
Yes, yes.
And I came to have acceptance around what was going on in my life.
I changed my diet, and I changed my mode of thinking, and I rewired my brain.
How did you change your diet?
I get off all processed foods.
I do a lot of fasting.
I used to be a lot heavier back when I was at Black Rock.
I was 220 pounds.
I'm now 165.
You stopped eating processed foods.
What do you eat?
I eat mostly meat, fish, cheese, chicken, eggs, when they're available.
And you found that changing your diet changed the way that you felt and thought?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's like you're at the center of the answer to a lot of problems right now.
Yeah.
But you found that changing your diet changed the way that you felt and thought?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, part of why I'm here today is because after I came out of my fog through the flirtation with the antidepressants, I did a lot of, you know, I'm a researcher, so I did a lot of research into all that.
And I realized that, and luckily I met a person who was a psychiatrist, and his job was to take people off those drugs.
That was his whole practice.
How hard was it to get off?
Not hard for me.
But he said that the statement that you have a chemical imbalance was never proven in a peer-reviewed study.
It's marketing spin.
It's a total lie.
Total lie.
And so, he basically told me I needed to get God, get healthy and do exercise.
Wait, wait.
A psychiatrist told you you needed to get God healthy and exercise?
Yes.
Well, he's an interesting psychiatrist.
Well, he's like the only one.
And he resides in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
No way!
Are you free to say his name?
I don't know if he'd want me to.
Okay.
Well, that's just incredible that such a person exists.
Yeah.
That's the opposite of the life-destroying counsel they normally give.
Yeah.
So, that's why I'm so passionate about this.
I was never going to take another pharmaceutical product again.
And so, when they mandated it, that's when I got engaged.
That's where I am.
That's how I feel.
Strongly.
I've never taken any SSRIs or Benzos or anything.
But, you know, I used to party too much.
I've been sober for 20 years.
And I believe that's at the core of it.
I've been sober for 17.
Amen.
Then you know.
Yeah.
Wow, that's so interesting.
I'm fascinated by the psychological makeup of people who are willing to tell the truth in the face of, you know, of a lot.
And there was a lot in 2021 going against it.
It was scary.
It was scary.
And it continues to be scary because The aftermath of what is discovered is going to be interesting, and I'm a little cautious about the future.
I am too.
So, and I think you make a very wise point that something happens like this at scale, you know, across 350 million people, like you don't know the outcome.
You don't know if people are going to respond to that.
Right.
It's not like raising marginal rates by 3%.
This is like people dying.
So, we can expect a very serious response.
Why wouldn't we?
And that leads to my next question, which is, how much do we know about the mechanism that causes the damage from this vaccine?
Do we know what is happening?
Why, physically, people are dying?
So, I'm not a doctor, so I count the ones and zeros, but I've been following what the doctors have been saying.
Obviously, the spike protein has been implicated.
Yes.
It causes an autoimmune response that sends your body into a...
All sorts of issues.
With the young athletes, it's doing something to the heart, obviously, and it's causing clotting and something to do with clotting.
So that's all I know and understand.
So, I mean, presumably, you know, a world that possesses the technology to create the mRNA vaccines, So, if you've got hundreds of millions of people who've taken this drug, like maybe someone should be working on a drug to help them not get sick from that first drug.
Is that happening?
Yeah, so there's a lot of people working on detoxification protocols.
One of the groups that I like is FLCCC.com.
It's a lot of the frontline doctors that we know.
Peter, Corey, Dr. Merrick.
Brave people.
Brave people.
I just want to give a shout out to all those doctors because their bravery inspired me.
They inspired me!
We've had them all on this show.
Yeah, and so I just want to give them a great shout out.
It's a little easier now than it was, say, a year and a half ago.
We do have some people.
You know, what's funny, Tucker, is I'm seeing a lot of credentialed conspiracy theorists joining our ranks all of a sudden.
You know, what I mean is, so-and-so's turned on it.
And it's good, though.
I mean, I welcome them.
It is good.
I welcome them.
I want them to come on board.
But, you know, I was called a conspiracy theorist.
Which is interesting, but I joke and I mock, there's more and more credential to conspiracy theorists than I've ever seen in my life.
So is that true, I'm a little cut off, is that true that people who were foursquare behind the vaccine, this is true in Great Britain, this is definitely true, we've interviewed some of them, but in this country are there like physicians who counseled their patients and the public to take the vaccine who are now having real second thoughts?
I've seen some in Australia come around.
I can't remember the names of the people here currently in the U.S., but I do see, you know, there was a professor from MIT who came out recently and made a statement.
You know, the Cleveland Clinic came out and talked about the fact that, you know, the vaccine seemed to cause you to get COVID more than the unvaccinated.
So there's more and more credentialed Conspiracy theorists coming around.
And I say that, you know, with tongue-in-cheek because... Do you feel vindicated at all?
I don't know.
This is not about being right.
This is about stop.
I won't rest until we stop what's going on.
It's currently being offered and mandated for a lot of first responders still.
A lot of college universities still mandate this drug.
Seriously?
Yes.
Yeah, this is still going on.
So can I ask a forbidden question, do you mind?
Sure.
Like, nobody in retrospect faults the American citizens who helped on the Underground Railroad because slavery was evil, right?
Right.
What they did was illegal, but they were acting in the service of good over evil.
So, reassure me and tell me that there is a thriving trade in fake vax cards still.
I hope there is.
I don't know.
I hope so.
I mean, I didn't have to do that.
I personally made the decision when I was on Maui during the vaccine mandates to not even get a fake vaccine card because I was working for myself, but I wasn't going to go contribute to the compliance.
I wanted these businesses to be heard.
By my not going there.
Did you live in isolation for that period?
I did for a brief period, but I had a lot of friends that I convinced not to get the vaccine, thankfully.
So we kind of hung out.
How are they all doing?
They're doing great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Some of the ones who didn't listen to me aren't doing so great.
Is that true?
Yeah.
Do you know people personally?
I know people personally who have been injured, and they have issues.
So do I. Yeah.
I won't name their names, but it's a problem.
And they're young.
They're in their 30s.
I'm 56.
Do you, does it make you feel rage?
I feel, uh, I try to, I'm, I'm, I'm someone that tries to check their emotions and be calm, but yes, I feel rage every now and then, but then I say, okay, turn that rage into action.
That's, that's what I try to do is I try to spread the word rather than get angry about it and consume myself with it.
Last question, where do you think this goes from here?
The paragraph that we read at the beginning of this segment.
No decent, rational person could ignore those facts, and yet they are being ignored, but you also have to think they can't be ignored forever.
So what happens next, do you think?
Well, I'll tell you where I think we are.
We went from, when I finished the book, and it came out on December 13th in hard copy, I said that the global health authorities were not even acknowledging that this is occurring.
The good news is, in the last couple weeks, we're starting to see through the mouthpieces of the media that it is being acknowledged.
Bloomberg wrote an article, yes, millennials are dying at a young, are having, yes, but it's not the vaccine.
Literally, that's the headline.
It's not the vaccine.
Really, what is it?
Apparently, when you get sick from COVID, Tucker, this is the Yahoo article, when you get sick from COVID as a young person, your natural immune system is so robust, It over responds to COVID and causes you to have a heart attack.
That literally was said in that article, with no study cited, just experts say.
But there has never been a study linking so-called long COVID to excess mortality.
No.
And we don't even have a clinical definition for long COVID yet.
Because, I suspect, if they come up with a clinical definition, it would mimic a lot of the adverse events we found in the vaccine.
So I just once again interrupted you.
So it's starting to break.
It's starting to break.
So then what happens?
So I think I want to see congressional hearings soon.
I want to see people across the media start to talk out about it.
I want people to break ranks.
I want whistleblowers.
I want more Veritas, Project Veritas type things to occur because We need to break the deafening misinformation.
I call them misinformation agents, not myself.
Well, they certainly are.
And we need to break the wall, because despite all the good that you've done and we've done, the majority of the population doesn't know what's going on.
No.
And that's the sad thing.
It's the people that don't know that make me sad.
Well, it's totally North Korean.
Like, you could have a 40% increase in deaths and no one knows?
What kind of media environment?
I'm a media guy, so, like, I'm looking through that lens, like, what kind of media environment do you have where no one knows people are dying?
To put this, you know, into something that people can, you know, sink their teeth into, the people have died from both COVID, vaccine deaths, All combined, an early treatment denial is greater than all the world wars we've experienced as a nation.
The number of dead, it's well over a million at this point.
It's much larger than World War II, World War I, Vietnam War, Korean War.
This has been a war.
Ed Dowd, I really hope that for the third time in your life, you are acknowledged as right on this, and that you're awarded in some way, maybe just a psychic reward, but I hope that you are.
Thank you so much, Tucker Carlson.
Thank you.
Thank you, truly, for coming.
Amazing, amazing person.
Ed Dowd, and the book is Cause Unknown, The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 and 2022.
Tucker Carlson, today's name of this show.
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