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The New JFK Show #275 - Charlotte Bustos
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All right, everyone.
Welcome to the new JFK Show number 275.
We've got more documents that have just been released.
And there's this one woman who happens to be kind of a sexy spook.
Her name is Charlotte Bustos, and she was a CIA officer in charge of headquarter support to a liaison of Mexico City operations.
And Larry's been on her trail for a little bit.
We go back about 25 shows when we talked about her, and we did two shows back-to-back.
So we're going to turn over to Larry.
We've got more on the new documents starting right now.
And welcome to the show, Dr. Larry.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Very good.
Merry Christmas.
You know, I hope the temperature isn't, you know, going too low over there.
Over here it's, I believe, 61 or 59.
We're supposed to have a huge storm tonight.
Yeah, I know.
No, we're going to have the coldest weather in like 30 years.
It's going to actually go below zero to like 25 for a few days.
But Dr. Benson over there swimming in snow is all I can tell you.
So Gary, that was perfect what you just mentioned in your introduction.
And we did, we've already been ahead of the game on Charlotte, on good old Charlotte.
And, uh, as you mentioned, you know, I just saw, uh, pictures of her, which I hadn't seen before.
And she was quite an attractive woman at the time, you know, and, and, uh, being, uh, you know, in the position that she was, uh, in her early career in the early fifties and the way that she moved up and, uh, eventually becoming a chief of station.
And maybe Jim can throw in an opinion here on women in the military and the intelligence communities in those days regarding their upward mobility in the hierarchy of those organizations, those entities, you know, how that was in, for example, the 50s and 60s.
How would you rate women as far as being able to move up the ladder in those entities?
Very, very, very tough for women to achieve any degree of control or recognition or whatever, Larry.
I think there was a lot of sexism in those days.
Misogyny?
Misogyny, yes.
Of course, is the word nowadays.
What I want to say is that when I was growing up, just the idea of women in the military was very, very rare to start with.
And to move up, up the ladder.
And that's exactly my point here, guys, because Charlotte Zierung, her maiden name was German, Z-E-H, okay?
R-U-N-G, Zerung.
And, you know, she didn't become bustos, and that's my point in this whole thing, in this whole, especially now with the new documents, but I don't want to get ahead of myself, but this woman ends up going all the way up to being a chief of station, C-O-S, in an unnamed country, which we did not know before.
Now we know with the new documents.
It just came out last week, Chairman Gary.
Mexico City?
No, you're not.
Hang on.
No, not even close, because you have to take into consideration what she was doing in Mexico City and how her role there has been downplayed.
We talked about this in that other show, you know, that how her, and I even showed portions, you know, of a few pages, you know, in my book, and then in response, somebody sent you an article that came out when she married in 1961, remember?
And I incorporated that right away, but then today it just blew me away when I saw her actual pictures, you know?
And, you know, this woman was the ultimate James Bond, Pussy Galore maybe?
No, she could get you to do whatever she wanted to with her eyes.
Just kidding on that part.
You know, that type of thing.
And the new documents just blew me away.
You know, I just started looking at these, and there is no index or anything like that.
I think there might be a mention, you know, but you have to go page after page after page, you know, in the National Archives listing.
You know, rather what I do, I just download the whole collection in bulk, I'm packing and then I just start looking, you know, one after another.
And lo and behold, I found, you know, a whole bunch of new files on her, you know, which, you know, this would be the first time that these have been shown.
So, you ready for some action?
Yes, we are.
Go for it!
I got the documents downloaded on my desktop, so I want to kind of help you.
Right.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
So, let's start Here, this and this is it had already been released, but now there's a re-release because I don't know if you guys remember Elsie Scaletti was her pseudonym, you know, forever and ever.
In fact, during her HSCA testimony, she insisted on being addressed as Elsie Scaletti, you know, and throughout, before we get the Bustos 201 file, which I'm going to show you in a minute here, real quick.
We get this, which had already come out, and in response to Philip Agee's book, Inside the Company, which came out in the early 70s, 1975, or no, the early early 70s, 72, I believe, and was published in the United Kingdom, okay?
And the difference between Agee's book and the Marchetti's book Okay, which obviously both of them were considered rogue officers who went and wrote books about the CIA and, you know, and when these situations happened, there was an immediate response, obviously.
And in the Marchetti book, it was cut to pieces, you know, because it was published in the US.
But A.G.' 's book was published in the UK, so you got everything, you know, unaltered, you know, and unvarnished.
So, Elsie Scaletti is Actually, Charlotte Bustos, you know, Videla, and I'm gonna, you know, if we have time, you know, talk about why this Videla thing should be, which shouldn't be, in her last name, which was a result of marrying, you know, somebody, which we're gonna talk about now.
But this is very, very interesting, because the reaction to Agee's book was tremendous, okay?
And they submitted her to this questionnaire here about her relationship with AG, who had been in Mexico City and had known Charlotte Bustos there, and actually had known her and her husband in a social way, you know, as was the custom there in Mexico City.
I've read that in Mexico City, when Scott And, uh, and all of his minions and people who work for him, he would, uh, he would take pride in having events at his house and invite, you know, this inner circle of people, you know, that worked for him in the Mexico city station.
Now when Scott chief of station, you know, that's an important position.
So when you compare, you know, with Charlotte eventually making, you know, it to that type of position, then.
You start to realize that this was a very, very important woman here, guys, you know?
And when we tie this whole thing with the Lee Oswald saga in Mexico City, okay, we realize that Miss Charlotte was very much involved in all the cables that came and went
And all of that very, very suspicious trail of evidence of cables, namely October the 9th and the two of October the 10th, which have already drawn a lot of suspicion, you know, regarding their authenticity.
All right, so that she might have had a hand in This whole creation of the Oswald scenario, okay, in Mexico City, in the Cuban consulate and the Soviet embassy, all right?
Now, that's important, because that would, you know, when you look at it in that manner, then you realize this is the reason why this woman has been, you know, tucked away for so long, you know, because we knew the cables say C-Bustos, and that's it.
But all the structure under that, you know, that's what's coming out now.
All right?
So, I thought we could start with this here.
This is this super-secret, sensitive interrogation, you know, questionnaire that they submitted to her about her knowledge of Philip Agee.
All right?
And a lot of details of what she did comes out here.
You know, and their interaction with each other, you know, as family, you know, his and her family as couples or whatever.
I don't know if Philip was married at the time or he had his wife there with him in Mexico City, but that's a whole different story here.
But the thing is that Philip Agee in his book mentions Charlotte Bustos.
And in his book, and this is the reason why there's a whole hullabaloo So, which is over why he mentions her in the book and, you know, all the reaction that that could bring, you know, on what exactly she was doing in Mexico City during that 1963-1964 period.
1963, 1964 period.
So this is, let me go back here.
And here's a picture of.
There you go.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Look at them lips.
Yeah, man.
And you know something?
That she looked Hispanic, you know?
If you come to think of it, you know, she didn't really look... I don't know.
She's almost movie star quality.
Yeah, she's got Betty Davis eyes.
She's got Betty Davis eyes.
Really?
You know, we did this, I believe, before, but now that Gary, you know... That's a new picture, yeah.
Yeah, from 1951.
Out there, she's not so attractive.
Right.
Right.
But that's 1951 when, you know, she was way down here at GS3, okay?
She ends up at GS7.
Ends up at GS7, you know?
But here is when she's already working in Mexico City, 1956, okay?
And the point of all this is these new documents open up a whole new ballgame on Bustos.
And don't forget that her maiden name is Zerun, okay?
And here's what happens.
Caesar Bustos was stationed in Washington, D.C.
And he worked for the Argentine Air Attaché Office, okay?
That's how they meet.
Now, there might be, I don't know, I've seen some crazy stuff on the internet on who this guy was, that he was even a Brigadier General, you know, in the Argentine Army.
Nothing of the sort, you know.
And I believe these two just met and fell in love, and that's it.
You know, the old, you know, she was 32, he was 39, you know.
They met in Washington, D.C.
She was coming and going to Mexico City all the time, and, you know, she knew Spanish.
You know, I cannot find anything at all nefarious about this union here.
And the funny thing about this is, and we're talking about how she becomes from Charlotte Zerung to Charlotte Bustos, okay?
Now, this is like getting a whole new identity, don't you think?
You know?
And that is the person who is mentioned so prominently, who originates the Lee Oswald cables of October the 9th and the twin cables of October the 10th.
And they're both originated from her.
Okay?
Now, we have been led to believe Because of the limited information coming out that she was just she was just running Like secretaries or an office, you know, so to speak and nothing of the sort Believe me and I'm gonna show you a document just blew me away and this is brand new Okay.
Now this is 26 of June 1961 and we're gonna have a great time with this one this when she marries in March Of 1961, she marries Cesar Bustos, right?
And this is her, Charlotte.
And what the CIA did is they did a complete investigation on the dude, you know?
And this is the result.
And what just blew me away is the detail, the information of what she was really about in Mexico City.
It's all here, Jim.
So let's do it.
Appraisal action in subject cases based on limited checks and field investigation, which has recently been conducted on subject spouse, Cesar Bustos Vidalia, an individual is approved for a USJPRS in July of 1960.
Subject is 32 years of age and has been employed by this agency since 1951.
She is an intelligence officer, FIGS-12, DDPW, Washington, D.C.
Stop right there!
Stop right there!
She is an intelligence officer!
Yeah.
All right?
Okay, go ahead.
Yeah, and the DDPWH, I suspect the WH means White House, even.
Now, she was indoctrinated for special intelligence on 29 December 1960.
Yes, yes, yes.
Subject was married on 18 March 1961 and immediately thereafter she and her spouse took a two-month trip to West Europe, including West Germany.
Subject's spouse is 39 years of age and was born in Argentina.
He entered the U.S.
in 1951 and acquired U.S.
citizenship in 1956.
Subject's mother-in-law is an Argentine citizen and resides in Argentina.
Subject has seven brothers-in-law and three sisters-in-law.
That means that Caesar is one of eleven!
Right?
That's what it's telling you right there.
Caesar is one of eleven siblings.
Yes.
That's detailed.
Yes.
Seven brothers-in-law and three sisters-in-law.
Well, those are in law.
All of whom are Argentine nationals residing in Argentina from 1945 to 1958.
Subject spouse was employed by the Argentine Air Force.
He was stationed in Washington, D.C.
with the Argentine Air Attaché's office from 1951 to 1958.
Do you see any meaning to that there?
That he's deeply, deeply involved in the military hierarchy of Argentina?
Go ahead.
You meet people like that.
In 1959, Subject Spouse reportedly attended George Washington University in Washington, D.C.
During 1960, he was apparently a contract employee interpreter with ICA.
At the present time, Subject Spouse is reportedly employed by Frederick W. Behrens, Rockville, Maryland.
National agency checks conducted at FBI, INNS, and ICA as to why we're either favorable or negative concerning subject's spouse.
Neighbors.
Neighborhood investigation.
Neighborhood investigation of police and credit checks in Washington, D.C.
were favorable regarding subject's spouse.
R.I.
checks were negative, conserving subject's spouse and his close relatives.
Source K checks reflect reference to one brigadier major, Armando Riscaldo Bustos de Videla, who, as of September 1955, was serving as chief of the Argentina Air Force General Staff.
It has not been determined if this individual is identical to Armando Bustavidalia, one of the brothers of the subject's spouse.
This is like, like I said, they are, you know, checking up on this guy with a fine tooth comb.
They're checking up on him, you know, and basically it goes on to specify And they actually ask her, right here, point number nine, okay, that she should provide more complete biographical data concerning her in-laws.
She should be queried in particular regarding... So, all of this tells me is that, you know, the CIA really did their Homework.
They're asking her to look into his relatives.
And provide satisfactory.
And here at the bottom, the final approval of this whole thing, and this is what really blew me away, is Charles Phelan, who was Deputy Director of Personal Security of the CIA at that time.
So this guy is the top Okay.
And he's the one that's going to approve where he says, okay, he's going to say, okay, these two can get married and still, you know, she worked for the CIA and they remained married.
You know, he's the one that's making the decision.
That's why this document is just, you know, completely, you know, freaky anyway.
- Did you want me to read any more of it or good?
That's I, I, I wanted to go on here.
Okay.
Because here, again, these are questionnaires which bring out, you know, a lot of her roles, you know, and what she was doing, you know, for what she was doing for the CIA, especially in Mexico City.
And again, this all revolves around the situation with Lee Oswald, you know, in Mexico, supposedly in Mexico City, and she's the one that is authoring these cables, you know, about Lee Oswald and where she supposedly about Lee Oswald and where she supposedly sent out a name request to all of the other branches, you know, like the Pentagon, Army, FBI and everything, you know, and in the
You know, not coincidentally, none of those entities answered any of her supposed, you know, feelers that she supposedly sent out in October, okay?
I'm talking about in October when this supposedly Oswald went and they created this whole facade of him being at the Cuban consulate and embassy and the Soviet embassy, you know?
So, that's why Okay, all of this information here is this is brand new.
And here's the another security questionnaire.
And as you can see, you know, all this redaction that is still present here.
I mean, it's just, you know, why, you know, and BK Harreld is the CIA.
Okay, and this is an answering to that questionnaire and Nvidia is the State Department.
Okay, now, I was introduced as a replacement for predecessor C.O.S., with whom he had maintained liaison as head of special branch.
Here's what I was telling you about.
My name appears in Philip Agee's Inside the Company.
Okay?
And this is what created all the stress for these people.
My parents, three sisters, their husband, and Noah used to work for B.K.
Harreld.
I tried to convince him I quit B.K.
Harreld, now working for NVIDIA.
I believe they suspect I am still with B.K.
Harreld.
No shit.
You know, once, you know, and the CIA always, huh?
Several girlfriends from high school know that I joined B.K.
Harreld in 1951.
I am no longer in touch with them.
All right?
So, uh, a lot of, uh, new information on this lady.
And going back to, uh, Here, this is the Dayton Daily News, Sunday, March 19th, announcing this wonderful wedding.
And this is what we just talked about, the full-blown investigation which was triggered by this holy matrimony.
And again, Charles Phelan, that we talked about Uh, ops officer in Mexico City.
You know, this is not a secretary.
John Witten, also known as John Celso, said in his HSEA deposition, one of the key people working for me was Charlotte Bustos Videla.
Okay?
Now, I have her, uh, 201 file.
It's actually right there on the screen, uh, next to this one.
She maintained this cover of being a tourist.
This is new information that we didn't know before.
And would later use TDY, serves of duty, to go back and forth to Washington, D.C., all the while maintaining a Washington, D.C.
address until her appointment as chief of station of what, until today, had been a closely guarded secret location.
This woman, I mean, It's just unbelievable, you know, the talents of this woman was involved in CI and CA covert action operations.
All right.
Again, uh, like I've said, it's been minimized downplayed, whatever you want to call it, you know, and, uh, I'm going to show you, uh, this Scott Breckenridge, who was a CIA apologist.
Who's he's the one who went in, uh, Tried to fend off, you know, all of the FOIA requests, you know, and people that were trying to find out more about the JFK assassination.
But anyway, it would take 18 months until they finally got her into the HSCA.
You know, they kept, you know, postponing her and everything, you know, and these are documents, these are from her 201.
You know, and here, for example, this officer is a person chiefly responsible for the Mexico, for Mexico's desk, for the Mexico, Mexico desk, uh, deserve reputation for excellence and efficiency, you know, and she was pretty too.
So ops officer.
Okay.
Oh boy.
Why did we find all these crazy documents?
Uh, here's Fitness Report for the time that I'm talking about.
January 1963, December 1963.
Key period.
Okay?
This is the, and we're going to see, this is the woman who would have produced recordings of Lee Oswald had he been in the Lee Envoy tapes, and photographs of Lee Oswald had he been in the I mean, the Lee Envoy and the Lee Empty operation of photographic surveillance of the Soviet Embassy and everything.
We've been through that so many different times that we know that that wasn't Lee Oswald, you know.
And here, the big fish, Joseph King, characterizes Bustos as being the soul and motor of that desk, managing many of its operations.
Operations and supervising its staff, many of whom she has trained.
Super spook.
For real.
Okay, let's see what else we got here of interest.
Of course, a very very very very important cog.
You know, and many a book was written on Mexico, I think this is very interesting, that would have welcomed the detailed information on Charlotte that we have today.
Okay, a lot of those books need to be revised.
Jefferson Morley, hello!
Anyway.
Okay, here's one that's interesting where they try to, he says, Bustos did not go into Mexico until 1967.
Not true.
Okay.
She arrived in Mexico in 1956.
All right.
This is a blatant for not, you know, I don't want to say live misrepresentation.
Do you mean 76?
No, he says 67.
In reality, it was 56.
It was 56.
Yes.
Yes.
Almost a decade before.
There he is.
Okay.
And, of course, this is what, uh, you know, came out, uh, in the new documents, and, uh, where she claimed to be just a house—I mean, this is funny, man.
Here, here, here, here.
How about this one?
Yeah, roll it up.
Yeah, it's black—it's blacked over on what I can see.
No, no, I'm talking—right here, Elsie Scaletti, where I have the— Hey, housewife!
L.C.I. Scaletti, having first been duly sworn and examined and testified as follows.
Mr. Goldsmith, would you please state your name and occupation for the record?
Mrs. Scaletti, my name is L.C.I. Scaletti, and I am presently a housewife.
A housewife!
Yeah, right.
Okay.
Mr. Goldsmith, is the name Scaletti a true name?
Mrs. Scaletti, no it is not.
It is a registered suit in him.
Mr. Goldsmith, with whom is it registered?
Mrs. Scaletti, with the Central Intelligence Agency.
Wow.
He may not be only a housewife.
After perusing his testimony, it's clear that as a CIA lifer who rose from humble beginnings to Chief of Station of an until now unnamed CIA station in the Western Hemisphere, Zevran Bustos was almost impenetrable.
She's good.
It's a long haul here.
We're not going to get into the whole thing.
She, and what's really unbelievable is that she wouldn't remember what she was doing on November the 22nd, 1963.
It reminds me of somebody by the name of Poppy, hello?
Yeah, and Richard Nixon, that's the only two.
You know?
And we're gonna see that here in a minute.
I mean, this is gonna blow you away here, you know?
Before delving into her deposition, it's important to mention again she was an invaluable asset to work with under John Scouselow, a.k.a.
John Whitten, who at the time ran Western Hemisphere 3, W.H.
in Western Hemisphere, which covered all Mexico and throughout Central American Panama.
Whitten is a CIA officer who has signed several of her fitness reports.
Interestingly enough, Scalso was brought in twice within a two-year period to testify before congressional committees.
The first time, for the Church Committee on 7 May 1976, where the hearing was presided by Senator Richard Schweiker, with Jim Johnson and Paul Wallach doing the questioning.
It's also worth mentioning this deposition was taken after the final report of the Church Committee had been issued on 29 April 1976.
The second, Mm-hmm.
Deposition of Celso occurred during the HSCA, and that was Michael Goldsmith and Dan Hardway.
Now, clearly, Celso Winton, who was her boss, okay, she was his deputy, okay, was considered an extremely important player in the CIA activities in Mexico and in Central America in 1960.
Celso, in turn, considered Charlotte essential in running The CIA station in Mexico City.
And here it is.
And here he goes.
Minister Johnson, would you name the people?
Yeah, go ahead.
Would you name the people on your staff to the best of your recollection?
Mr. Scalso, at that time?
Mr. Johnson, yes.
Now this is on WH3, Western Hemisphere 3.
In other words, you just took WH3 and used that?
Mr. Scalso, yes.
I used the entire branch of the task force for working on the Kennedy assassination.
We ran our country work on this side.
You see what he's saying there?
I used the entire branch as a task force on working on the Kennedy assessment.
In other words, they turned everything upside down there in Mexico City.
You know, uh, trying to, you know, figure out, you know, how they were going to frame this whole thing down there, you know, but, and, and one of the, they were going to frame Oswald.
Yeah.
One of the key people working for me was Charlotte Bustos-Madella.
Mr. Walt, she's still with the agency.
And notice this is marked top secret.
Yeah.
Mr. Scouse, I don't know.
She was transferred to Mexico and I think she was mentioned in the AG book along with a lot of other people.
She was an extremely gifted woman who handled all of our name tracing.
It was to her worth that the agency thanks the fact that when Oswald appeared back in September or October in our cables, this information was promptly disseminated in a routine fashion to other government agencies.
She is the one who handled all of the name traces and brought things to my attention.
And those are supposed dissemination of cables to all these other agencies, and none of them ever answered, all right?
You know, so, and then, here you go, Busto summarized her experience in this excerpt from her secret testimony.
Mr. Goldsmith, for how many years were you employed by the CIA?
Mrs. Scoletti, 26 plus.
Mr. Goldsmith, what years were you working for the agency?
Mrs. Scoletti, 1951 to I retired December of 1977.
Mr. Goldsmith, would you give us a brief summary Of the positions you held during that 26 years, Mrs. Scoletti.
I started as a typist and I retired as a branch chief.
I went all the positions in between reports I aimed.
Wow.
Mr. Goldsmith, I stands for what?
Mrs. Scoletti, intelligence assistance officer, chief of station, branch chief, deputy branch chief, all positions she held.
And, and, and, you know, and, This is something that should not be underestimated, because women in those days did not go all the way to branch chief, to chief of station.
It was lifetime, right?
From her family.
Oh, and by the way, IA stands for assistant officer of... So, Salso testified that on 22 November, the station was acutely aware of what was going on in Dallas.
You know, and they would be acutely aware when no one should have thought anything unusual was taking place.
Yeah, well, these guys, you know, and that's all there's all this stuff, you know, that now, you know, with you have documents that have been released, you know, over a period of time, and now They have that, how many times have I said it, you know, certain interpretation, but now you add these other documents and you combine the whole pot and you throw them all in there and now you get what?
A different interpretation.
Mr. Scalso, this was in the mid-afternoon of that day, and I think that the assassination was on radio.
Someone had a little transistor radio going on with the news on it, and suddenly it came over.
And then about a half hour after the assassination, or 15 minutes later, then we were all listening to this.
I do not know how long after the actual shooting it was that Oswald's name became known, perhaps an hour, hour and a half.
Within minutes after that, they were out with the cables in their hands.
Bull crap.
Yeah.
Mr. Goldsmith.
Within minutes of the name Oswald being on the radio, an officer came in with the Oswald cables.
Yeah.
That's like the Ultra 6 photo, Jim.
You know, 1 o'clock, zoom, zoom!
That's amazing, isn't it amazing?
Mr. Scalso, yes, and who was that officer?
I believe it was Mrs. Charlotte Bustos, who was the sort of major domo of the branch.
She made all the records, handled all the cables from Mexico, the Delaware Security Aspects, or as for traces, on security suspects.
Mr. Goldsmith, did you ask her how she was able to obtain the Oswald cables so quickly?
Mr. Scalso, no.
I know where she would have gotten them.
We have copies of them right in our branch.
This, man, this smells like... A setup.
Despite Michael Goldsmith being extremely well prepared to discuss Augusto's cables of 9 and 10 October 1963, twin cables, regarding Lee Oswald supposedly in Mexico City, she was able to navigate his line of questioning extremely well.
Unfortunately for her, she brought out information that had never been revealed before.
She also raised a suspicion that she was not telling everything she knew about Lee Oswald in Mexico, when an anonymous HSEA report commented on her strange lapses of memory.
Yeah.
The documents published earlier suggested that Severin Bustos was very much involved in the Lee Envoy and Lee Empty surveillance projects, handling everything necessary for these to succeed.
Her intimate knowledge of these operations has to be considered in light of her being prominently mentioned in these reports.
In her deposition, she revealed how upset she was about Philip Agee, mentioning her in his book Inside the Company, insisting that Agee had substantial problems and was prone to exaggeration.
Getting back to Philip Agee's book, here's how he described Bustos verbatim.
It is surely what irked Charlotte when she was deposed by the HSEA.
In the Mexico branch, all the liaison and most of the support operations are under Charlotte Bustos, who has been with the branch for 10 years and knows every detail of these complicated activities.
Heavy, heavy shit right there, Jim.
According to the previously declassified documents, the mention of Bustos and Agee's book created quite a stir within the CIA.
The efforts to dissociate her from Agee are revealed in new documents, where there appears to have been a social connotation as well between Agee and Zehra and Bustos and her husband Caesar.
Yeah, that's just a comment of mine there.
Even though the next document describes in exquisite detail Some of her activities in Mexico City.
It pertains to answers to a questionnaire.
This is the one that we were looking at earlier, and I just want to go over this because, here.
Now, was she, what was her involvement with Le Envoy and Le Empty?
This is the crux of the matter here, Jim, because
If she was running Lee Envoy, which was the wiretap operation, and Lee Empty, which was the photographic surveillance, during those years of 63 and 64, alright, she is the one who knew about, if there were or not, tapes of Lee in telephone conversation, and or photographic evidence of Lee coming and going, you know, into these installations, you know?
Okay, now think about the importance of what this woman, you know, represents in this whole thing here, you know.
And I don't, I can't think of anybody who's more important here.
For example, let's look at this one here on the left.
Okay, case officer Charlotte Bustos, okay.
And she's got all these, you know, agents under her command.
Okay, and over here, the same thing.
We're talking about the crucial year of 63-64, you know, when supposedly they have these tape recordings of Lee Oswald that were destroyed, you know, by routine and this and that.
And then over here, on the right, okay, all the way through 65.
So, you know, there's no way out here, you know.
Was she running these operations yesterday?
No, I believe she was.
And with her overwhelming qualifications, it's not far-fetched, you know, that she was in some kind of administrative role, you know, in Lee Envy and also in Lee Empty.
All right?
Was Bustos running Lee Envoy?
With Charlotte Bustos' overwhelming qualification, it would not be far-fetched to surmise that she could have some kind of administrative role in Lee Envoy.
The new document certainly suggests she was not only involved in Lee Envoy, but also in Lee Empty.
For instance, Bustos is the originator of this cable dated 19 July 1963, just two months before the alleged Lee Oswald Mexico City visit, and four months before the assassination.
It certainly conveys Bustos' authority in the Lee Envoy Project.
In this one, she is pitching headquarters to extend Charles Flick's, a.k.a.
Arnold Earhart, tenure with Leon Boyan to 1960.
And that's this one right here, you know, here she is at the top, you know, and she's the one, you know, I need this guy, you know, stay here, you know, and that's that, you know, so she wasn't just a secretary desk jockey, you know, the way they've been trying her, you know, to make her out to be up until now, of course.
You know, and, uh, and again, thanks to, you know, these, uh, documents, now we know where she ended up.
Now, let me, uh, here's, okay, here we go.
Here's a Leontie report that shows her as case officer of Leontie.
All right?
The photograph, and these are the agents under her.
William Breaux, okay?
He worked under her.
You know, this guy rose in the CIA.
We'll talk about this guy, you know, someday.
And then we get this from the Lopez, and this is funny, you gotta read this, you know.
Investigation of the Allegations.
Ms.
Elsie Scolatti worked on the Mexico desk in 1963.
Ms.
Scolatti could not recall her particular responsibilities while she was assigned to the Mexico desk.
She told the HSCA that she would have been doing routine case officer work which would have involved name traces, project budgets, etc.
She could not recall any specific project that she worked on.
And she stated that the case officers on the desk would not have had specific titles such as Chief of Support Operations.
She stated that the work on the desk was assigned to the case officer by project.
And that work that was levied, that was not part of an assigned project, Would have been done by anyone on the desk who happened to be on duty.
Can you believe?
And this is what she told Edwin Lopez and Dan Hardway, who at the time were young bucks, you know, fresh out of law school, you know.
And, you know, with long hair and, you know, and beards and stuff, you know.
And so that's, you know, how she treated them, you know.
From the beginning of her HSCA deposition, however, and as pointed out by the Lopez Report cited above, Sabring-Bustos claimed too much time had passed, and that her recollection of events in Mexico City in the fall of 1963 was hazy at best.
When discussing Cable 179 of 10 October 1963, Goldsmith pointed out that other co-workers had testified that she possessed a great memory.
As Goldsmith showed her how well informed he was for her questioning, she began to offer more detail about what she knew.
That was quite a tough nut to crack there for Michael Goldsmith.
I say, this is impressive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, hold on, hold on, let me, because we're running out of, maybe, I wanted to see how far we are from, oh wow, yeah, we are just, because I wanted to, there's a lot, I wanted to, and this, hopefully here, Look at this, I can honestly say there was nothing, there was certainly no intention to keep anything or hide it.
No, of course not!
Oh, okay.
Obviously catching Bustos in a major slip.
Goldsmith went in for the kill.
Mr. Goldsmith, did you ever get any response from the other agencies regarding Oswald Bustos?
Not that I recall.
What was the date of our teletype out to the other government agencies?
Author's note, an obvious attempt to deflect the heat by changing the Congress.
This is so incredible here, you know, that she supposedly sends out all these reports to the other agencies and she doesn't follow up on receiving a response.
I mean, this right here, this is right here, it's the evidence right here.
You're reading it, you know?
And, of course, it is quite possible that no responses were registered from any agencies because, simply put, they never receive anything in real time on those specific dates of 9 and 10 October 1963 or any days close to those.
Of course they would have done cartwheels to retroactively establish a paper trail after November 22nd, 1963.
And this is important because this, I think, is what happened in the same manner that CIA did with the Mexico City Cables, 9 and 10 October, which appeared to have been concocted after the fact, as shown earlier, where the lack of inclusion of Oswald reported in the Lienvoy.
Remember, we did those shows where all those Lienvoy reports, they do not mention Oswald at all.
You know, and Peter Dale Scott, you know, he wrote the following with the new releases, a number of unanswered questions about Lee, quote unquote, Lee Oswald, the subject is now greater, not less than before.
However, one hypothesis at the center seems more and more reasonable that the CIA's files were both fed and doctored in late 1963 to present a continuous flow of apparent evidence, always plausible, but never conclusive.
And above all, never true.
I mean, that is, That's exactly what I think, that Oswald was a possible agent, okay, of Soviet.
And our friend David Talbot, you know, chimes in with the following.
But Hoover, whom Johnson found a more trustworthy source of intelligence, informed the President that the photographic and audio evidence the CIA was using to prove that Oswald had visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City appeared to be faked.
a disturbing piece of information that both men certainly recognize pointed back at the CIA itself.
Now, surprise.
Yeah.
But now this is going to take the cake now.
And I want Jim to go ahead here.
I'm blanked out!
Everyone remembers where they were when they learned JFK had been whacked!
classified documents suggest.
Did not know where she was on 22 November 1963.
I blanked out.
Everyone remembers where they were when they learned JFK had been whacked. - Even I was six years old. - Someone who John Whitten described as having a photographic memory, these two passages from their HSCA testimony suggest Bustos might not have been on these two passages from their HSCA testimony suggest Bustos might not have Mr. Goldsmith, do you recall where you were on Friday, November 22, 1963?
Mrs. Scoletti, the only thing I remember about it is going home and finding my husband sitting in front of the TV and talking about it.
I probably was at the office, but I don't remember anything.
I blanked out.
I must have been at the office.
What bullshit!
With a straight face, huh?
With a straight face.
He's a pro.
This matches sharply with what Welsko Whitten testified in this.
Mrs. Scoletti, this was what, 23 November.
When was the assassination?
Mr. Goldsmith, 22 November.
Mrs. Scoletti, this was the day after the assassination.
These lapses of memory put her in the same category as former CIA Director and U.S.
President George H.W.
Bush, a.k.a.
Poppy, ...who during his lifetime had been notorious for not recalling where he was on 22 November 1963, when JFK was assassinated.
Well, let me remind you, George, you were in the Dow Tax.
Otherwise, you'd be like Castro, Tudor, Nestor, Tony Escaindro, firing three shots with a man like Irk Harkano.
And then calling the FBI to say that Perot, James Parrott... Right, right.
A suspicious character.
Finally, after all the efforts to hide her true identity, more than two-thirds through her testimony, all secrecy went out the window when she had this Freudian slip revealing her real first name, Mrs. Scoletti.
The only thing I can remember is that I was not a member of any task force.
Someone could have had Charlotte write this and I could have written it.
That's it.
Okay.
So we'll say, huh?
Good stuff.
Tell you the, uh, if you're filling out the piece of the puzzle here and this is, I, I, this, you know, I don't know about you, but you know, A lot of circumstantial evidence here pointing to Ms.
Bustos being deeply involved in the sheep dipping of Oswald in Mexico City, Jim.
Yo, I think you're doing a great job of exposing it, Larry.
I mean, this is quite an extension of your previous work.
I'm fascinated.
And people think that there's not any new information in the new documents.
Remember when we did those shows on the ex-governor of Puerto Rico?
I don't know if that came out because the newest release have those files unredacted.
Unredacted.
The ones that I used to identify him as Skewer One back in 2017, and we did a couple of shows on him and how his interaction with Sylvia Odio and how he had ensconced her away, you know, and sent her to Dallas.
He, okay, when Sylvia Odio was living in Puerto Rico and he knew her family from Cuba, you know, so the newest release have his 201 file practically unredacted and shows that he was deeply involved, that he was involved in operations against the dictatorships that he was involved in operations against the dictatorships of the Dominican Republic in Haiti, you know, and this is for a
In the first case, Trujillo, and then the other one, Duvalier.
So these documents are now unredacted and I have to think that maybe it might have had to do with, you know, our positive identification, you know, of that back, you know, five years ago.
This is five years ago.
So now they're re-releasing his file, you know, with, you know, a lot of the redactions removed.
And I think that's, you know.
You know, progress.
Maybe because you've already cracked it, Larry, that, you know, they know it's out there.
It could be.
It's already out there.
Hey, might as well, you know, release the file, you know, so I have that.
And I was telling Gary, you know, how do you do this?
You have to download the bulk file.
And this is 13 gigabytes big.
You have to unpack it and you just got to go file by file.
It's tedious.
Do you have to print each one out?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Just put it on the screen.
The thing is, they're not searchable.
You gotta, you know... Why are they not searchable, Larry?
I know that's deliberate, but... Well, they become searchable after the Mary Farrell organization... It's because they're images, right?
It's because they're really like JPEGs rather than... No, they could be searchable if they wanted to, you know, when they do the scanning.
You know, and so what happens is that once they're released, what Mary Farrell does is Mary Farrell reconfigures, reparses the files so that they're searchable, you know, and if you go later on, they're still doing it right now as we speak.
And then when you find them in Mary Farrell, you're going to see that they're searchable there.
But as they come from the National Archives, no.
Wow, that's amazing.
You're doing such a great job with this.
You know something, people say they don't believe any of this crap that there's nothing in those files.
Right.
And that's why they're releasing them with an eyedropper, you know?
Of course, of course.
Alright, I guess we can call it on that.
Another great job, Larry.
All right, this has been New JFK Show number 275.
And we've got the 2022 document release.
And the last time it happened was in 2000.
Good luck.
Good luck, Claire.
Yeah.
I want to help out.
Yeah, go Lions.
It's about time for them to have their day.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
I mean, you know, you know how many people are going to be, you know, visiting Their graves, you know, their parents' graves, you know, if the Lions do something this year.
Yeah, kind of like when the Saints finally won the Super Bowl.
It's like, we can all die now.
For the Cubs, yeah, yeah.
All right.
All right.
Feliz Navidad.
This has been Larry Rivera from Sandy, Florida, and Dr. Jim Fester snowed in for the next six months in Wisconsin.
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