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Dec. 18, 2022 - Jim Fetzer

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COVID Vaccines - The Devastating Impact on Pregnant Women and Their Babies

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	Pregnant women should be offered the vaccine and that is not just my opinion.
	These are experts in taking care of pregnant mothers.
	We have no reason to suspect that these vaccines result in any infertility now or in the future and in fact it's implausible that they would.
	Our governing bodies also recommend that lactating women receive the vaccine.
	There are no risks to the mother or to the baby.
	To date there have not been any human clinical trials, this is really real what you're hearing, conducted by a COVID-19 vaccine pharmaceutical company to determine if vaccines are safe during pregnancy or while breastfeeding.
	All emergency use authorizations exclude pregnant women.
	Hello, this is Curtis Cost, and I'm here with my special guest, Dr. James Thorpe and Michelle Gershwin, a nurse.
	And as a backer myself, as many of you already know, I'm the author of the book, Vaccines Are Dangerous.
	The first edition of my book came out in 1991, so I've been at this warning people about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines for 30 years.
	I also work for Mr. Kennedy's organization, Children's Health Defense.
	It's really going to be an honor and dynamic show today.
	We have two dynamic individuals who I admire immensely before they encourage to share the type of information they're going to be sharing today.
	I'd first like to let the guests introduce themselves because they both have very extensive resumes I want them to do.
	I want to make sure they do proper justice to their backgrounds.
	So Dr. Thorpe, let's start with you.
	Just give us a little background on yourself.
	Sure.
	First off, Curtis, I just want to thank you for your incredible ministry, your incredible platform, all the work you've done with this extraordinarily important on your platform.
	I just, it's so important.
	So God bless you and thank you, sir.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate that.
	My name is Dr. Jim Thorpe and I'm an old guy.
	I'm 69 years old.
	I'm an obstetrician gynecologist board certified and I'm also a maternal fetal medicine board certified.
	My raison d'etre is to take care of my patients who are women of reproductive age, pregnant women and pre-born babies.
	That's why the good Lord created me and put me on this mission.
	I've been doing this for 43 years and I'm extensively published.
	I've been an extensively very busy clinician.
	In fact, I just re-upped my privileges and in order to do that, I had to pull my caseload.
	And I was interested to see that I have about 23,400 high-risk obstetrical ultrasounds that I've read just in the last three years and a few months.
	So that in of itself kind of sets me apart.
	I have my fingertips on the pulse of obstetrical outcomes in the world, in this country, and I know what's going on.
	I've As I've said, I finished my obstetrical training from the University of Colorado, where I did my residency, went to medical school at Wayne State University in Detroit, served with Uncle Sam, the Air Force, as an officer in the Air Force, an OBGYN physician.
	They paid my way through medical school, and I paid them back three years, and then did my fellowship at University of Texas, Houston.
	So, I love what I do.
	I have a passion for caring for my patients.
	I'm very qualified as an expert in high risk obstetrics and as an expert in COVID.
	Just not to brag, but to give your audience a little bit of an idea of what I've done and what I do.
	Over 200 peer-reviewed publications, including a book in the last couple of years.
	Just in the last couple of years, over 20-plus publications just on the COVID issue.
	So that, in my clinical experience, certainly qualifies me to look at obstetrical data And make some conclusions upon the good data that I have.
	I was asked by the Bush administration in 2003 to serve as an expert witness in the United States Senate in 2003.
	I think that was for my expertise in closed fetal surgeries inside the womb.
	I served on the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology, interestingly, as an examiner in the 90s for a year or so.
	Served as a Board of Director for the Society of Maternal-Fetal Medicine for three or four years.
	And so that's who I am and what I do.
	Fantastic.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm sure everybody realizes he's more than qualified to make the type of observations he's going to be sharing as we go forward.
	Michelle, I know you're a nurse.
	Could you give us a little background on yourself?
	Yes, I can.
	First of all, thank you for having me on.
	I'm honored to be going on these shows with Dr. Thorpe and sharing information, honest information that I think a lot of people need to hear.
	So I'm a nurse and I've been a registered nurse for almost six years.
	And I first worked on the tele floor.
	So I took care of patients with heart issues and kidney and lung issues, a lot of older adults But for the last two years, I've been working on the postpartum floor.
	So I take care of mothers with babies and mainly newborns healthy newborns after they're born.
	I take care of them until they are healthy enough to go home and So I don't have quite the extensive background as Dr. Thorpe, but I do have a little bit of a background in energy medicine.
	I do some acupressure and I can heal people's health problems by going to the source.
	So my passion lies with Really healing people.
	And so being a registered nurse in the hospital has never quite resonated with me.
	But in the last couple of years, I've thought about quitting many times because working at the hospital is very not It's just not geared towards what I really want to do, but I've had this pull to stay there.
	And so I know we're going to talk about that a little bit here in this show.
	And when I, I realize now why I'm still there, pretty much.
	And so I believe that I'm truly saving babies.
	And I believe that Dr. Thorpe is definitely helping to save babies too.
	Fantastic.
	Thank you very much, and you definitely are performing a great service.
	I'd like to start off with a general question.
	It's a quick question, and you can give a very quick, simple, short answer.
	I'll start with you, Dr. Thorpe.
	Based on your experience and research with regards to these COVID shots, on a scale of 1 to 10, how dangerous would you say they are, with 10 being the most dangerous and 1 being the least dangerous?
	10.
	Okay.
	Michelle, what would you say, based on what you've seen, research, how dangerous are the COVID shots on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the most dangerous, 1 least dangerous?
	10.
	10.
	Okay, good.
	I think it's good to let the audience know exactly where everybody stands as we get started.
	Let's just start with you.
	What, based on your research, has been the impact of these COVID shots on pregnant women?
	And linked to that question, was there sufficient testing of these COVID shots on pregnant women to make a determination they were safe to be released to the public?
	So, what's been happening to pregnant women as a result of getting these COVID shots?
	Well, Curtis, it's been a horrible disaster.
	It's the most egregious violation of ethics in the whole, not only just in my career, Curtis, but the entire history of the world.
	And when you look back on the Third Reich and the physicians and the horrible things that went on in the Third Reich, This disaster makes that pale.
	It just overshadows it way over.
	It's so much more egregious.
	Why do I say that?
	That's a pretty bold, potentially offensive statement to some people, and I apologize if I've offended anybody, but it is accurate.
	Listen, what happened in the 30s to the Underprivileged population in the socioeconomic class in Germany and the Jews.
	What happened was really in only a small part of the world.
	And yes, it was a world war that followed up after that.
	But you can't even compare what's being done now.
	The unethical testing, the unethical treatment is not locally and just in this country.
	This is being pushed All over the world, Curtis, this is a horrible, egregious violation attacking my patients all over the world.
	It's unprecedented, and they're doing it in a manner which is way different than Hitler and the Third Reich did it.
	Those people knew they were being attacked, especially as they were being killed, but this is a horrible global deception.
	So what I've seen is, in my clinical experience, I've seen a massive increase in death and destruction from the vaccine in women of reproductive age, my pregnant women, and my pre-born babies.
	I've seen, if we focus on the women of reproductive age, Your group there has set up with several of your physicians around the country.
	I think that Dr. Brian Hooker is part of your CHD, and Liz Mumper, and many other incredible physicians.
	And we've been working with the My Cycle story, Tiffany Parato, who is a lead author.
	We published that earlier.
	And it was that study was really assisted by CHD as well financially.
	So I'm grateful to you and for your colleagues there and for counselor Robert Kennedy for doing that.
	So massive increase in menstrual abnormalities that occurred last year and we published on that.
	With regard to my clinical observations, so I live in Florida, Pensacola.
	I practice telemetrically, telemedicine out of the Midwest.
	I do, I'm employed by actually an incredible employer that has treated me very well and I treat them very well and their patients and their staff and I'm honored to be with them.
	And they pretty much left me alone, which has been really, really kind of them.
	They obviously know my feelings, but they've been very honorable to me.
	So what I've noticed in my clinical practice, even though our pregnant population here in Florida and in the Midwest is very limited compared to other parts of the world, especially California, where Michelle is from, and Oregon, Washington, the West Coast, some areas in the Northwest, especially Canada.
	So those are the hot spots for where the vaccine has been really pushed in pregnancy, and that's where we're seeing most of the problems.
	So what have I seen in pregnancy?
	I want to start out by saying that really nothing in 2020, with a massive amount of COVID-19, it really didn't have an impact in pregnancy.
	And in fact, I did not see an increase in stillbirths.
	In fact, our national rates when I aggregate the stillbirth rates, which run about 5.8 per thousand births, and have been pretty steady in the United States over the last several years, when I look at the aggregate the data on the stillbirth from 2017, 2018, when I look at the aggregate the data on the stillbirth from 2017, 2018, and 2019, I come up with a three-year aggregate fetal death rate of about
	Well, what happened in 2020?
	We all know, we'll never forget that year, the very frightened nation world in a pandemic and apparently 500,000 plus people died of COVID-19 in the United States of America and many more around the rest of the world.
	But what happened to the fetal death rate?
	It didn't go up, it actually went down.
	consistent with my observations.
	I didn't see it.
	The fetal death rate, also known as stillbirth, didn't start until 2021.
	So I saw a massive increase in miscarriage, infertility, significant increase in fetal chromosomal abnormalities, genetic abnormalities, Massive increase in fetal malformations, specifically a malformation that I've seen heart malformations.
	I've seen another not so common cystic hygroma, which is a malformation of the lymph duct that comes into the venous circulation in the left part of the neck.
	And that is can be lethal has about a 50% mortality rate.
	I've seen a massive increase in fetal cardiac arrhythmia, fetal cardiac malformation, fetal cardiac disease, fetal cardiac arrest.
	Significant increase in placental abnormalities.
	The placenta function rapidly wanes after the vaccination, causing a dramatic increase in fetal growth restriction, failure of the fetus to thrive or to grow in utero.
	Significant increase in low amniotic fluid volume as a result of the decreased placental function, substantial increase in preeclampsia, preterm labor, preterm premature rupture membranes, preterm babies that have died from prematurity, and that's just a few of the complications.
	Mike, goodness gracious, I knew it was bad and it's great to have someone like you who can outline just how bad it is.
	I know you've given us the short version.
	The other part of my question was, Given all we know right now, the first question is, well, how could this happen?
	I mean, didn't they run sufficient testing on pregnant women before releasing this to the public?
	That's what the average person would assume should have been done.
	Did that take place?
	If not, why not?
	And can you give us an idea about that?
	Yeah, I'd like to dwell on that a little bit.
	Sure, feel free.
	A group of investigators that I've worked with extensively over the last couple of years, we're currently writing a paper and we're writing a paper on the timeline for the rollout and the changing narrative for pushing the vaccine and pregnancy.
	How did this occur?
	When did it start?
	And the paper is not yet published, but I can tell you exactly what has happened, Curtis.
	This was the most unethical, egregious violation in the history of the world.
	This is an experimental gene therapy that had no business being rolled out, but its rollout in pregnancy was a fait accompli.
	It was a fait accompli.
	It was always known that it was going to be pushed and rolled out in pregnancy since before 2020.
	Period.
	They've been working on the RNA vaccine.
	DARPA has been working on that since 2010 and that's public knowledge now.
	So this wasn't anything that just came up out of the dark.
	We also know that There were not supposed to be any pregnant women given the vaccine, but a lot of pregnant women were given the vaccine.
	We have the Pfizer 5.3.6 post-marketing survey analysis, which covered the first 90 days of the rollout from December 1st, 2020 to February 28th, 2021.
	2020 to February 28th, 2021, less than 90 days.
	And in that 90 days, the vaccines, Moderna, Pfizer, Janssen were distributed around the country, around the world, and it was used in pregnant women.
	Now, the Pfizer 5.3.6 document, I had that in my possession.
	that was given to me by a whistleblower, I wanna say long about March or April of 2021, almost whatever, 20 months ago, 19 months ago.
	And I didn't know what to do with it.
	I think that several people like myself around the world were probably sent this, but we didn't know what to do with it because we didn't know whether it was verifiable or not.
	We had no, we didn't obtain it legally.
	It was sent to us and nobody could say, yeah, this is a real internal document of Pfizer.
	We didn't have that verification.
	The Aaron Siri of ICANN and HiWire ordered a FOIA, a Freedom of Information Act, and God bless him, he got it.
	The federal adviser said, no, we're not going to release that.
	I've heard differing opinions of they wouldn't release it for 75 years or for 50 years.
	Either way, It speak res ipsi loquitur.
	That situation speaks for itself.
	If it were very, very safe and reassuring data, then why wouldn't they share it with everybody and prove that the data, their narrative, it's necessary, it's safe and effective.
	By the way, all three of those are absolute lies from the very beginning.
	So, did they do studies on pregnant women?
	No, but they reported on them.
	And when that document came out, finally, the federal judge forced Pfizer to come out, and it was published of all days.
	It's so ironic, but so perfect for Pfizer.
	April Fool's Day.
	And the jokes on the whole world, and there's a lot of dead people, and that's not too funny for the rest of the world, but for Pfizer, their lies were exposed.
	But, Curtis, nobody has done anything about it.
	The band plays on.
	Nobody, the CNN, Fox News, nobody will talk about it except truthful, independent, networks like you, Curtis, and like others around the country.
	But they should have done animal studies on pregnant animals.
	Those are called reproductive toxicology studies.
	Now, Now that's been in my back pocket for 45 years because no maternal fetal medicine doctor ever prescribes any medication without being very well aware of reproductive toxicology studies in animals because we look at those for every new drug that comes out and we never use it in pregnancy when there's concerning animal data.
	Well, did they do reproductive toxicology You know, they had to do that by law, by Moderna, and by Pfizer.
	Did they do it?
	Yeah, they did it.
	But they egregiously lied and fraudulently manipulated the results.
	And how do I know that?
	I can prove that from Alexandra Latipova, who is a whistleblower from the pharmaceutical industry, and I've spent hours interviewing her, talking to her, reviewing her data.
	If you can believe this, Curtis, and I know you will, because it's truthful, Sasha Latipova has internal documents from the Pfizer and Materna Reproductive toxicology studies in mice and rats that were horrible.
	They had very significant malformations of the fetuses, the animal fetuses, the animal babies in the womb of the animal mother.
	When the animal mother who was pregnant was given the shot, that caused very bad abnormalities, fetal malformations, many of which were lethal in both companies' reproductive toxicology studies.
	And they buried it.
	They lied.
	They said it passed and everything was fine.
	And I know that when I look at their results, especially of the 44 Wistar rats that were just brought to light in some recent literature and substats and Sasha Latipova, they found severe neural tube defects, missing eyes, missing brains.
	Any doctor that would have looked at that and found that Fetal malformations in those reproductive toxicology studies would never have prescribed that drug.
	And just think about this.
	Let this sink in in your viewers.
	Here's a company, these pharmaceutical companies, that did the reproductive toxicology studies and they lied about it.
	Just like the CDC and the FDA lied about the v-safe data, just like they tried to lie and suppress the Pfizer 5.3.6 data.
	As Councilor Robert Kennedy so eloquently states, and has proof to back it up because I've looked at his data, according to RFK
	46% of the CDC and the FDA's annual budget is funded by vaccine profits from the vaccine pharmaceutical companies and from vaccine rights to the patents which they own and they receive the royalties.
	This is the most egregious violation of conflicts of interest and competing interests that you could ever imagine.
	Back in 1986, when Ronald Reagan, the pharmaceuticals came to Ronald Reagan in 86, begging him for legal immunity from lawsuits, and they were in a very difficult position.
	They were going to stop the vaccine industry.
	And President Reagan said, well, you know, why don't you just make them safer?
	Well, they wouldn't do that.
	Too simple.
	Just make them safer, you know.
	But they now, whatever, what is that, how many years later, 35 years later, they own the government now.
	They own the CDC.
	They own the FDA.
	They own politicians.
	They own the governing boards of medicine.
	This is a completely fraudulent medical-industrial complex.
	The flagship journals are fraudulent.
	New England Journal of Medicine is fraudulent.
	I can prove it.
	And of course their editor from, the female editor, Sanger was her last name.
	I'm blocking on her last name.
	You might help me.
	In the 90s, you know, she blew the whistle.
	They were messed up with the industry and getting paybacks even back in the 90s.
	It's way over the top now.
	They're just a flagship journal to push the corporate autocracy and these drugs that are making literally billions and billions of dollars.
	So it's a very, very dysfunctional, corrupt medical-industrial complex, including all the boards, all the licensing agencies, the hospitals, the bribe monies, the federal government.
	It's a fraudulent, corrupt mess.
	I'm going to switch slightly to Michelle.
	I'll get to you in a moment, but I just want to follow this a little bit further.
	I want you to give me your subjective assessment.
	I'm trying to visualize the mentality of the people who did those mice experiments, and they saw missing eyes, missing brains, a whole assortment of other problems.
	And they said to themselves, well, let's put it out anyway.
	This might even be made.
	What would that say about the mentality?
	I mean, I could probably understand More, a bank robber who's desperate for money, for whatever reasons, and in the process ends up, you know, shooting somebody.
	Unintentionally, that wasn't part of the plan, but I can sympathize.
	That was the goal.
	Here you have people who know they're going to be murdering babies.
	I don't know a nicer way to say it.
	What does that say in your mind about the mentality of these people who are doing this?
	Greed, power and money corrupt 100%.
	And that's what it is.
	It's really, really horrible.
	You know, and this has been what we've been dealing with, you know, back in the beginning of the pandemic.
	You know, listen, I used hydroxychloroquine 43 years, even in the first trimester of pregnancy.
	I knew it was safe.
	I knew it was effective.
	I knew it was highly effective for SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2.
	Why?
	Because that's what the 2003, 2004, 2005 studies funded by Anthony Fauci showed us.
	So those were purposefully removed from the market.
	to pave a pathway for an emergency use authorization of these experimental gene therapies purposefully.
	So think about that.
	It's really Maybe it's not quite as bad as having horrible reproductive toxicology studies and then giving the government, the FDA, the green light to roll this out, not just in the United States of America, the entire world it was rolled out.
	But you know, the same thing for what they did to me and my colleagues in early 2020 is, you know, they threatened me.
	They refused to prescribe my patients hydroxychloroquine when it was illegal for them to do that.
	They knew how safe hydroxychloroquine was.
	They knew it, Curtis.
	My wife's an attorney and she's in this investigation with me.
	She has ads from the FDA and the CDC 10 years ago, 5 years ago, promoting and pushing hydroxychloroquine in pregnant women, in breastfeeding women, in children.
	about how safe it was and everybody should be on it, especially the children in Africa and pregnant women and breastfeed.
	They, we have this, I have a copy of it.
	And so what happened in 2019, halfway through 2019, many countries had it over the counter, France.
	Why in the summer of 2019 did the powers that be remove hydroxychloroquine from France?
	And then why did they push this horribly unethical study that this character, the cardiovascular surgeon from Mass General from Harvard, who was picked to be the lead author on this hydroxychloroquine study that was put out by the Lancet in April or May of 2020?
	This was completely fraudulent, and we all knew it was fraudulent because there were like 100,000, 80,000 patients from around the world, multiple different continents, and that was just four months of the pandemic.
	We all knew that was a fake.
	And indeed when the whistleblowers called and said, this is fraudulent, this is wrong.
	They admitted that it was wrong.
	They wouldn't share the data and it was removed, but the damage was already done.
	The World Health Organization and the global powers said, every study involving hydroxychloroquine is deleted, is removed.
	It frightened so many doctors, not myself because I was using it for 40 years in pregnant women.
	It's safe, but it frightened everybody.
	Everybody was much more afraid of hydroxychloroquine than COVID-19 itself.
	So it goes to show you that there was mass killing, purposeful killing, on several fronts of this pandemic.
	And I think since you said that, you might want to explain why.
	And I think you already know, because the EEA guidelines, you can't have a product approved if there's something else on the market that's a safe alternative.
	Could you elaborate a little?
	Then I'm going to turn right to Michelle.
	Could you elaborate a little bit on that and why that was the motivation to suppress hydroxychloroquine and later ivermectin?
	Did you want me to?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, because, because of the simple fact, and it wasn't just hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, it was a whole host of, but those were the two most egregiously, essentially prevented us from using them.
	And the reason I did that was because they couldn't roll out an emergency use authorization if there's any other alternate therapies.
	And that's why they said, you know, we have no treatment.
	Just go home and die.
	So all the fake doctors, the fake doctors who decided that they were too scared to see patients and too scared to take care of patients.
	I call them fake doctors because they're not real doctors.
	They just capitulated and they wouldn't see the doctors, just sent them home to die.
	Thank you.
	coming to the ER if you're dying or your lips are blue.
	Never in the history of medicine has that ever been done with a disease process.
	That was really alarming to me as well.
	You don't ever do that.
	Every disease known to man, you treat as early as possible. - Thank you.
	I think that's an important point.
	And yeah, it's shocking, especially for people who grew up having complete trust in the medical establishment and doctors.
	I mean, I remember when I was a kid, all the TV shows that they had, Dr. Kildare, Ben Casey, General Hospital, you know, the doctors, they were sharp-toed, you know what they're talking about.
	And this is like, Telling someone that their religion is wrong.
	I mean, to believe that their medical status has transformed into this.
	In fact, in my book, Vaccines are Dangerous, the second edition, which came out in 2010, I have a chapter entitled, Don't Trust Doctors.
	And I clarified, I'm not talking about all doctors.
	I mean, there are good doctors, bad doctors, but you can't be naive.
	What I wrote in my book in that chapter shocked lots of people, but listening to what you said just now, that has to be rewritten.
	Things are far worse than what I had included in my book in the 2010 edition.
	I'd like to turn now to Michelle.
	Michelle, I'm sorry, it's just It's so hot.
	I was so intense.
	I just had to follow through.
	I want to follow even more, but we're gonna have some time.
	Michelle, yeah.
	Very important information, so don't be sorry.
	Okay, thank you.
	Can you give us a sense for what you saw in the hospital before the COVID vaccines were given to pregnant women?
	What was the norm in terms of We're helping with a woman who's pregnant and just giving birth.
	And what was the transformation that you noticed after the COVID shots came on the market and pregnant women were given those COVID shots?
	Yes, I'd love to.
	So, I started working there November 2020.
	So that was about four months before the shots started rolling out and I took care of several moms, several babies.
	It's very typical that a mother would come in in labor around 38 weeks, 40 weeks, deliver her baby and then they would come to postpartum when baby is two hours old and you know they have a pretty normal delivery or maybe they had a c-section and you help them you know post-op and then When they're healthy and they recovered well, you send them home.
	And sometimes you have moms that come in with pre-E, so they have like severe high blood pressure and you have to treat them with medications and help their blood pressure come down before they can go home.
	And that happens once in a while.
	So, and when I started working there, there were always 13 nurses working on the floor on any given day.
	And then, I never did feel right about this shot.
	I knew that they were going to start ruling this shot out on pregnant women.
	And I knew that it was going to be a disaster.
	So I was very observant once these shots started coming out and it would show on the mom's chart, you know, if the mom came to me, I could see, um, if she had recently got the shot.
	So I was noticing right around March and April, 2021, that all of a sudden, instead of having 50 babies in the NICU, Where, you know, the neonatal intensive care unit, where babies need some extra monitoring and help.
	There was always 50 babies in there at any given time before the shots.
	But all of a sudden in March, 2021, there were 80 babies in there.
	And that's the most amount of babies that NICU has ever had.
	And so right away, that was alarming.
	And then we were having moms coming in to the hospital in labor, but they were only like 33 weeks, 34 weeks, And their babies were being delivered early.
	And so when I would see their chart, if I had the chance, the moms, most of the time it showed that they had just gotten the vaccine, like a week before, and then they went into labor.
	And so I was noticing that.
	And this is all early on.
	And so now, over the last year and a half, we've had so many moms that have high blood pressure.
	So pre-E, they come in, their blood pressure's through the roof, they have to have an emergency C-section, they have to have the baby removed, and then they're supposed to Have their blood pressure go down after that, and sometimes it doesn't even go down.
	So all the things that Dr. Thorpe named off about these menstrual abnormalities, these bleeding, blood clots, all these problems, babies having cardiac arrhythmias, needing to have echocardiograms done on these newborns, All of these things have all been increased in the last 18 months.
	And so I've asked a lot of nurses around me.
	I've said, like, why are we having all these health problems?
	You know, we were having these babies going to the NICU.
	They're really sick.
	And a few of them have said, oh, I think it's something in the water.
	Or another one said, oh, I think it's pesticides.
	So I think people are so programmed To think that the medical complex is good and that the vaccines are safe, that they can't even acknowledge that these vaccines could possibly be hurting these moms and babies.
	Yeah, one of the things that I have to admit on a common sense level is that I'm not a doctor or a scientist, but I know how to read, went to some pretty good schools.
	Common sense would dictate you don't give an experimental drug to a pregnant woman.
	I mean, I don't think you need an advance degree to realize that.
	And yeah, so obviously I'm taking shame on the medical establishment who would do this, but what about the moms?
	And what about the husbands?
	I mean, where is the male instinct?
	No, you're not going to give some experimental crap to my pregnant wife.
	I mean, where was the outcry just on a common sense level?
	That's something I did not understand.
	I didn't understand that And the general public when they were pushing an experimental vaccine.
	I mean, I know people have some criticism about Trump, but one of the things that happened under Trump was that he rushed the vaccine through.
	Now some people, oh wow, that's a terrible thing he did.
	But on the other side, what he did do, he meant if anybody had any doubts, it should be very clear that this was not ready to go to the general public.
	Something that normally takes 10, 15 years to determine if something is a vaccine is safe or not, done in a year.
	Why wasn't that a signal to all the fathers out there whose wives are pregnant?
	Why wasn't that a signal to all the mothers?
	What runs through your mind when you contemplate that?
	Well, I know what you're saying about Trump.
	I think there's a silver lining.
	I think by doing that, he made it so that people can have a choice, I believe, instead of It being forced, but it ended up being forced anyways, pretty much.
	But I think that, um, like you said, you wrote a book in 1990 or so about the first edition came out.
	Yeah.
	Thank you for doing that.
	And I think that people are so conditioned to get vaccines because they start them at newborns.
	And so as these people grow up, we're so conditioned to get them.
	We're so programmed that we don't even question it.
	And so I think that you're right, the mothers should be outraged, the fathers should be outraged, the fathers should be protective and say absolutely not.
	I mean, they tell you when you're pregnant, don't eat sushi, don't eat, you know, cheese, don't eat whatever else they say.
	But then they're going to put this shot into your body that you don't even know what's in it.
	I mean, for all we know, it could just be a shot of potassium and nobody would know.
	I mean, that's enough to kill somebody.
	And so, yes, the fathers should be stepping up.
	The mothers should say no.
	But I do truly think we are conditioned.
	Before the shots came out, I really had a problem with giving hepatitis B vaccines to the newborns.
	I actually refused and my boss has talked to me about it about four times.
	She said, what's your hesitancy with giving these shots?
	And I said, well, I believe that they harm the babies and the babies don't need them because the, sorry, Hepatitis B is sexually transmitted only, so it's not going to affect your baby.
	And I just don't understand why we give it at newborn.
	Why do we give it the minute they come out?
	And so she said, well, I know you have your beliefs, but you have an obligation as an RN to do what's required of you per this institution.
	And so when I walked out of her office, I felt disgusted.
	I felt like you really don't give a crap about what your employees think or what they say.
	And when I thought about it later, I said, I don't have an obligation to this institution.
	I have an obligation to do no harm.
	And so I don't, I don't know why, but all these medical professionals who have been giving these shots to pregnant women, they're all violating their, their oath to do no harm.
	So, um, but I, but like the question you asked, um, why this is happening, I think it's just because it starts at birth.
	You know, if I didn't go in and tell these mothers that just had their newborns that your baby doesn't need this, the only way your baby will get hepatitis B is if somebody is having sex with your baby who has hepatitis B. Um, you know, I don't make it as vulgar as that, but I'm giving them informed consent so they can make the decision themselves.
	And I've even had mothers say, well, don't they need it to go to school?
	And I said, well, yeah, if you put them in public school, they're going to make you get it, but your baby doesn't need it.
	And she still said, oh, okay, well, I want it.
	So they're so conditioned.
	It's hard.
	Yeah.
	In my book, Vaccines are Dangerous, I have a whole chapter entitled Exaggerated Diseases, and I went down the list of the common vaccines given to kids, including hepatitis B. And you're absolutely right.
	If the only way a child can get it is by having unprotected sex or being an intravenous drug user, what's the probability of a newborn baby having sex or intravenous drugs?
	It's ludicrous!
	Absolutely, yes.
	I mean, when you put it in terms of a reasonable-minded person, they should laugh at the absurdity.
	Not that it's funny, but it's just that absurd.
	And the fact that you told me you told somebody that and they still want to do it, Uh, you know, some people have to find their own path.
	Some people can learn things the easy way.
	They read it or they listen to Dr. Thorpe or you.
	And yeah, that makes sense.
	I'm not going to do it.
	Other people have to learn the hard way, whether something bad happens to their child or them.
	I mean, thank goodness that you're out there and you have the moral stamina to stand up to what you were being told.
	But I have one more question, but I'll move on for you.
	Were you sure that the doctors and the hospital administration were fully aware of the impact the COVID shots was having on the mothers and the fetuses?
	How did you determine if they were aware or what did you do to make them aware?
	Can you give us an idea of that?
	At what point did you realize that you had to become a whistleblower?
	Can you give us an idea how that worked?
	Right.
	So when the shots first started coming out, I really thought that more people would be resistant to this.
	I thought that more doctors would think that it's ridiculous that they're giving these shots.
	But I realized that 90% of the people who work with me got the shot.
	And I think that that shot changes people a little bit.
	And I think it's a cult culture that they get it right the first time.
	Yeah, they they truly believe that COVID is so bad and they truly believe that this shot is going to save everybody.
	And so they they can't fathom that it could actually be hurting anyone.
	So they do push it on pregnant people.
	And there's one doctor in particular that he would write in his notes, um, patient got the COVID vaccine, um, like almost like he's coercing them.
	And then if they didn't get it, he would say patient refused COVID vaccine, um, and stated why they didn't want it.
	So he has most of the patients at the hospital that I work at.
	And I believe he was coercing them while they were pregnant.
	So many of them ended up getting it because as a doctor, you know, these pregnant women, they look up to the doctor and then they trust his advice.
	And so most of them end up getting it because he's telling them how good it is, how it's going to protect them.
	And so I think he doesn't even realize how dangerous it is or he doesn't care.
	I also have a friend who's a nurse and she got the shot while pregnant and right away she ended up getting blood clots, had to have an emergency surgery to have them removed and then she also had to have a c-section for her baby.
	Thankfully both of them are doing okay but she told me that when her friend was pregnant also at the same time and she was looking for an OB doctor she went to this doctor And the doctor said, oh, I can't treat you unless you get the COVID vaccine.
	And so she went to get the COVID vaccine while pregnant, and after that she had complications the whole time.
	So they are segregating people, just like how Dr. Thorpe mentioned Nazi Germany and the Jews.
	If you're unvaccinated, they treat you the way that the Nazis treated the Jews.
	They think that you're dirty and that you're going to spread your diseases everywhere.
	It's really bad.
	But then again, we're talking about medically trained doctors.
	And they had to see the same reports you were seeing.
	And they had to have noticed a change in what was happening to pregnant women and the fetuses prior to the vaccine.
	And they had to see the difference that you saw after the vaccine was being given to these women.
	So they had to know, right?
	Absolutely.
	I don't know how they don't know.
	And I know many people are not comfortable speaking out because they don't want to lose their job, their money, their livelihood.
	But at some point, you have to do what's right by God.
	You can't just sit here and let people lose their babies.
	You can't just sit and watch what's happening and know what's going on and not speak out.
	At what point did you finally say, look, I gotta speak out?
	There must have been some critical point that made you say, okay, despite the risk to myself, my job, what was that point that pushed you over and said, look, I gotta speak out, I gotta say something?
	Well, I thank my mom for this because my mom was a very bold woman.
	She had the strongest voice out of everybody that I've ever known.
	And she was killed last year in November.
	She was given remdesivir against her will at the hospital and she was taken from me very cruelly.
	And the whole time that I was begging to come and help take care of her because I knew she was suffering, they said, no, it's our policy.
	You can't come in.
	And so, Every time I hear it's our policy, we don't do this because it's our policy, I feel like that's just a scapegoat.
	And I'm so tired of that, hearing that it's our policy.
	And so, when September 8th, 2022, I got an email and I couldn't believe that I even received this email because of all the, you know, the resistance to giving any information.
	And I, I got this email that was sent out to many nurses, probably over 100 of them.
	And it said, sorry, I thought you were going to say something.
	It said, as you all know, there's been an increase in fetal demises and a fetal demise is a baby who passed away in utero.
	And, um, that this number is projected to increase and that there were 22 of them in the month of August, which ties the record for July, 2021.
	So to put that in perspective, when I started working there before the shots ever came out, we would see one fetal demise every one or two months.
	And in this email, she's saying that in one month, there were 22 fetal demises and that that was a record.
	And that in July, there were, there had to have been 20.
	2021.
	And so when I read that email, I couldn't believe what I was reading.
	Um, and, um, I was completely blown away.
	So.
	When I, when I kept reading it, the first half of the email was completely disgusting.
	You know, telling us that all these babies are dying and that it's going to keep increasing.
	And then the second part of the email said that we need to brush up on our policies because this is going to keep happening.
	So we're going to need to know how to handle a dead baby.
	And when I read that, I said, no, I'm done.
	I'm not going to brush up on any policies.
	I'm not going to learn how to handle a dead baby.
	I want to know why the public's not outraged about this.
	Why is nobody investigating this?
	To me, it's completely evil that's going on.
	And so right when I read that email, I immediately sent it off to a friend who's in contact with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	So from there, it kind of went everywhere.
	And I've ended up on the Died Suddenly documentary, talking about that email.
	And I ended up on Dell Big Tree, talking about it a little bit too, with Dr. Thorpe.
	Absolutely fantastic that you have the courage to do this.
	And I will tell you this, I know a number of people in your professions that They're seeing really horrible things, but they don't feel comfortable speaking out.
	I'll just mention two of them.
	One woman I know is a fertility specialist, and she's been doing this for many, many years, helping women to get pregnant.
	She's told me that her track record over the years has been an average of 60% success rate in helping women get pregnant.
	Since the COVID shot came out and women started taking the COVID shots, her success rate has dropped down to 20%.
	Another woman who's a lactation specialist.
	I don't even know what the heck that was when she first told me it, but basically she helps women to produce milk after they give birth.
	She's told me that since the COVID vaccines come out, that's dropped down to zero, at least with the people she's been working with.
	Wow.
	So this seemed like, I mean, tell me what you think.
	And if it's true, please chime in on this too.
	Would it be Too extreme to say that this seems like an attack on reproduction.
	What would you think of that kind of a statement?
	Absolutely.
	Dr. Thorpe?
	Yeah, Curtis, I go back and I'm sure you're really familiar with the work in Africa and the documentary that your group
	Dr. Wakefield and also Counselor RFK did the documentary on the horrible, horrific things that they did to the beautiful God's children.
	Daughters in Africa.
	Our sisters in Africa.
	They went in and unethically, illegally planned and perpetrated what one would think would be the crime of the century.
	And it was at the time.
	And you know the story.
	You've written your incredible book on vaccines, which I'm really eager to read.
	I think that you know that well what they did was methodically and it's all documented.
	It's documented in publications in medical journals.
	It's published as you can find it by looking at legal documents where they would provide patents for certain development of the vaccine.
	What they did was, you know this well, they took the crucial HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, and they covalently bonded this hormone, which is essential to pregnancy.
	They covalently bonded it through a very expensive process to the vaccine antigen, pertussis.
	And they pretended like this was for pertussis, but what they developed it for was when they injected these beautiful young girls, and these were 10, 11, 12, 13 year olds.
	The reaction of the immune system to the antigen, to the vaccine, which had the human chorionic gonadotropin molecule attached to it, they would inject it and these babies, these children, these young girls' immune system would have an autoimmune reaction towards the pregnancy hormone, HCG.
	And so what would happen was that when they got pregnant, if they could get pregnant, and most of the times they couldn't because of the result, but if they did then the pregnancy would fail and miscarry or have a fetal death because that HCG hormone, which is really important to sustain pregnancy, would rise and then the immune system would develop antibodies because it had been
	Sensitized to that through the vaccine, the anti-fertility vaccine.
	Now, think about that.
	They got caught with their pants down.
	You know, the doctors over there in Africa, in the countries, they proved what was going on.
	They found the vials and they were involved in a huge experiment.
	The current vaccine is Fifth generation.
	You can look at it as an anti-fertility fifth generation.
	Was it purposed as such?
	I'll let your viewers make the judgment.
	I can't judge somebody's heart, but I just want to tell you the sophistication.
	They really did pretty much the same thing.
	Instead of using HCG as a hormone to sustain the pregnancy, they picked out another protein called Syncytin.
	Syncytin, S-Y-N-C-I-T-I-N, is a protein that is extremely important because when the early cells after conception, you know, you have ovulation, intercourse, the ovum becomes fertilized with the sperm, you know, in the fallopian tube, a couple of days later it's at the 64 cell stage, comes down, drops into the uterus, and in order to attach it
	to the uterus and allow it to to be normally enveloped in the uterine tissues and to grow, it needs some sitin.
	Well, if there's an autoimmune, the same thing, this syncytin is coded for by the mRNA in the vaccine, the pseudo-uridinated man-made mRNA.
	The syncytin is coded for as a protein that will be yielded after transcription of mRNA into a protein.
	Then that protein, which is not identical to that in the body, An immune reaction will occur and the same thing happens, except it's a much more sophisticated level against fertility.
	Now, was this purposeful or not?
	Am I stating this absolutely for certain as a cause of fertility?
	No, I'm not.
	But it's eerily similar to the experiment to the African girls.
	Well, these people are very smart, they're very well funded, and they have plenty of time to do their research.
	And the fact that in Africa, they were specifically targeting girls.
	They weren't giving it to boys.
	So they knew that this was supposed to have an impact on girls.
	And the film you're talking about was one of the producers on it, Medical Racism, the new apartheid with Mr. Kennedy and the others.
	So, I mean, I'm past the point personally of giving people like that a break.
	Now, I can give a break to a person, you know, only a high school education and most of the information comes from the Six O'Clock News, a local newspaper.
	I can't give a break to people with advanced degrees from top universities with tremendous funding.
	No.
	For me, they know exactly what they're doing.
	In my opinion, this person, I'm not speaking on behalf of any organization, I don't see how they could not know.
	I mean, that's beyond me.
	That's like saying a bank robber didn't know that he was robbing a bank.
	You know, I just, personally, I just can't buy that.
	And it's not the first time.
	There's all kinds of experiments being done, you know, about the Tuskegee surface experiments, the experiments where they took measles vaccines that they knew the CDC knew, Cause the higher rate of autism in young black boys if they're given before a certain age.
	I mean, at what point did we stop saying that?
	Well, maybe they don't know the minimum.
	I personally, I.
	If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
	So that's just my personal view.
	But I know you also did research on the impact of the COVID shots on death rates around the world.
	I believe you looked at countries at high rates of COVID vaccine usage and low rates.
	What did that research reveal in terms of impact on death rates in different countries around the world?
	That's very interesting.
	We just published a study.
	The title is COVID-19 Pandemic Dissecting a Failed Strategy.
	And it's my coauthors, my beautiful bride, Maggie, who's an attorney and works with some of your attorneys at CHD, Megan Redshaw and others.
	And my older brother, Ken Thorpe, who we went to medical school together.
	And also we have one of Ken's close compatriots, an African gentleman who's a pediatric oncologist and a geneticist up in East Lansing.
	Lansing, Michigan, works with Ken and then But we put all this from about 10 different global verifiable databases that house all the data, the important data, country by country.
	We took 108 countries and we assembled with a massive amount of work And then we verified it all.
	We put it into a database and I did analytics on it.
	We found some really striking things that I probably won't be as striking.
	You'll probably say, yeah, that figures, but it's a big deal to show it globally.
	What we found was this.
	We took as a dependent variable the COVID-19 death rates per country, per that country's population.
	So a verifiable death rate.
	We use that as a dependent variable.
	And then we looked at the 108 different countries where we could get good data from.
	We took the vaccination rates of that population and it ranged from 0 to 99.
	Now, the first and most important analytic that I did was, I want to know if there is an advantage to all these countries that had the massive push of the vaccination.
	And it's unbelievable.
	The higher the vaccination rates of a country, the higher were the death rates, COVID-19 death rates, per population of that country.
	Stunning and then we took a metric for we took the actually the per capita per annum health care costs of that country and we did the same analytic 108 different countries and there's a vastly different like for example the average health care cost per capita per annum in the United States is almost 1,200 bucks 1,200 bucks in India
	You know, three times the size or so of the United States of America.
	The annual health care expense per capita, 64 bucks.
	And they do a lot better than we did.
	And then we did the same thing with health care costs in dollars.
	Same story.
	And then we did the same in the number of tests per thousand population.
	What did we find?
	We found that the higher the country's income was, the higher the death rate of COVID-19.
	The higher that the rate of testing was, the same thing.
	A positive relationship.
	We also looked at what we called a stringency index, which is a complicated, took hundreds of hours to develop this.
	For each country, we put together an 11 point scale that essentially rated how aggressively a country enacted rules and to containment policies, travel restrictions.
	Some countries even put in not only travel restrictions, social distancing, shutting down businesses, you know, the face masks, laying off of work and many others.
	And we rated that from one to an 11 score, 11 being the highest stringency index.
	What do you think happened?
	The higher the stringency index of the country, the greater were the deaths of that country from COVID-19.
	So it's a stunning study.
	That is phenomenal.
	I mean, it makes sense.
	But it's still some of them that you mentioned.
	I mean, the more they spend, the higher the death rate, the more they test that.
	Those are new to me.
	And I'm glad that God put you here for a reason, because we need brilliant people with a heart and puts their patience and morality and everything.
	Above everything else, so thank God for you.
	I'm going to be wrapping up shortly, but I just wanted to get you to comment on your new book, COVID-19 Vaccines Beyond.
	Could you tell us, give us a little idea about your book and why it's an important thing that people need to read?
	And if you have a website already, please feel free to provide that.
	I don't have it and I'm not the first author on it.
	The first author is a local attorney and her name is Sally Saxon and also as a co-author is Dr. Deborah Viglione and myself.
	And this is a 300-325 page book, extensively referenced, outlining every aspect of the pandemic that you could imagine.
	It's highly endorsed, and there are multiple contributors in terms of research.
	And I think your audience will find it a very, very important book.
	And I think it's one of the books like yours, and like RFK's book, and like Peter Bragan's book, and many others.
	These are important books to keep In, on your bookshelf, like all those beautiful books I see behind you, Curtis.
	And here's the reason why.
	History is being rewritten right now.
	We're like living in 1984.
	I recently watched that movie again a second time with my wife.
	Literally everything filmed in that movie, 1984, has come to pass.
	And it's just, it's horrible.
	So they're erasing, deleting medical journal papers, articles, facts that are true.
	So this is why it's extremely important to keep a hard copy of these books on your shelf.
	I couldn't agree with you more.
	At first, the internet was a great thing until we started to realize that, you know, if it's digital, they can erase it.
	If you've got hard copies, that's the only guaranteed way that what was actually said is still in place.
	We're going to be wrapping up.
	I just want to ask, do you have some suggestions for people who've taken the vaccine?
	Is there any light in the tunnel, things they could do?
	Detoxing, treatments, anything?
	So Dr. Thorpe and Michelle, can you do energy treatment?
	If you could share, if there's some hope in the tunnel for people who may have made the mistake of taking one or more of the COVID shots.
	There is hope, and I want to give you hope.
	Listen, if you took the shot, it's okay.
	There's nothing you can do about it.
	But there is hope.
	Don't take any more.
	Do not trust your doctor.
	Listen, you can't trust any doctor or nurse in the United States of America.
	Every single one of us are under a gag order.
	We will lose our jobs if we tell you the truth.
	So most of the physicians and nurses will not tell you the truth.
	They will tell you what their hospitals tell them to tell you so that they can collect their paycheck.
	And that's a matter of fact.
	Do not trust your doctors.
	I have no respect for doctors anymore.
	I used to respect doctors.
	I have zero respect for physicians.
	I respect attorneys much more than I do doctors.
	I don't respect doctors.
	Do not take the vaccine.
	If you have taken the vaccine, you've had a problem, you want to get pregnant again, then yes, you should.
	What I would recommend is you go on the FLCCC website.
	And their incredible organization, FLCCC, and I'm one of their contributors and I've helped them with their protocols.
	There's several protocols and, you know, if you are symptomatic and you want to get pregnant again, we need to get you on some very safe immune system enhancers.
	Restore your immune system.
	If you have symptoms, we need to get you on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine or both, zinc, vitamin C, quercetin, and there's many others in those protocols that are very safe.
	And yes, you can, God willing, get pregnant again and, God willing, extend your family and have more children.
	Michelle, can you share some insights on things women and people in general might be able to do who've taken COVID shots?
	Yes, so I like what Dr. Thorpe said about, you know, taking the vitamins and going on that website.
	I just want to add that two things.
	The first thing, if you did take the shot and you lost a baby, I really encourage every single mother who lost their baby to call the doctor offices that they were seeing who, you know, convinced them to take the shot and Ask them, why didn't you tell me that this was a possibility that I could miscarry my baby?
	I think if enough people call and bring this to the doctor's attention, it might help make a turn if they start really opening their eyes.
	So I think that these mothers really should call and just hold them accountable.
	And then the second thing is, you mentioned the energy medicine that I do.
	My friend is a nurse and I went to her house and I did an energy treatment on her and to help treat her specifically to detox from this vaccine and that night she was really uncomfortable she you know had a lot of nausea and just Felt like demons were coming out of her.
	But after about 12 hours of being severely uncomfortable, she said that she was able to prep Thanksgiving dinner.
	And she said that before that treatment, she could not even walk down her stairs without becoming out of breath and having to lay down for the rest of the day.
	That she could not even do that.
	And now she was able to stay up on her feet for four hours and cook dinner for her family.
	So she said that was the first time she was able to do that in months and so I think there's hope there too.
	Could people contact you to get more information about energy healing?
	Is there a website or email or something?
	Yes, I have a Facebook page.
	It's called Healing Ground.
	That's H-E-A-L-I-N-G G-R-O-U-N-D.
	Fantastic.
	Dr. Thorpe, do you like to provide a way people can contact you or your organization or whatever?
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you, Curtis, for that.
	So, I have a very active getter account and my getter account is James A. Thorpe, MD.
	I have a new Twitter account since Elon lightened the reins a little bit.
	It's James Thorpe, MD, and then I also have a Telegram account as well, and I stay really active on those some days.
	If you want to stay up on our area of research and what's happening in the COVID-19 world, sometimes I have 20 to 30 posts a day, so there's a lot of good information on there.
	Absolutely fantastic.
	Well, I want to thank you.
	I could easily go on for hours, but we've been at it for a while, so I know you guys probably tried anyway.
	But thank you very much.
	I mean, it's very, very enlightening.
	I was taking notes as fast as I can.
	I'm going to probably have to watch this presentation two or three more times, because it's just such a massive amount of information.
	And so we will be putting this out there shortly.
	And I just want to thank you.
	I mean, I really, from the bottom of my heart, thank the courageousness of both of you and people like you out there who will stand up against all kinds of opposition.
	I mean, you guys are risking your jobs, your careers, and everything else for the good of mankind.
	You're staying true to your oath to do no harm.
	So I greatly admire the work of both of you, your commitments.

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