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The Fact Hunter Interviews Dr. Jim Fetzer

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	all right Good morning, everybody.
	It's SpeakFreeRadio.com.
	It is Friday, May 27th, 2022, as we enter Memorial Day weekend.
	I want to thank everybody who joined us yesterday.
	Both Jim, by the way, I was on Giuseppe's show last night.
	Oh, wonderful.
	Wonderful.
	Well, you guys are doing great at SpeakFree.
	I'm so impressed with the whole operation.
	It's wonderful.
	Yeah, I really appreciate that, and I do want to take the time, if there's maybe one person out there who's never heard of you, today we have on today's episode Dr. Jim Fetzer, who is a fellow veteran, a former Marine Corps officer, and he has just done some impressive work in the cases of JFK, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Boston, on and on and on.
	And by the way, one I didn't know that you did was What was his name?
	Earl?
	The gentleman who was murdered in Minnesota.
	The guy.
	Well, Senator Paul Wellstone.
	Thank you.
	My mind's failing me in my old age.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's something I didn't know you wrote a book on that.
	I was just perusing moonrockbooks.com and I had came across that.
	So, ladies and gentlemen, I will embed 911scholars.org, his blog, jamesfetzer.org, assassinationresearch.com, and his bit shoot channel, Jim Fetzer, please.
	Please welcome to the Fact Hunter family, Jim Fetzer.
	It's great to have you, sir.
	I'm a longtime listener.
	Oh, George, I'm just delighted.
	And let me mention, there's a wonderful article, it may be the shortest, most copiously documented ever published on The website From the Wilderness with John P. Costello entitled The NTSB Failed Wellstone.
	Now the text is only about four pages, but there are around 115 notes where I flew John up from Australia to assist in my research on wellstone because I'd arrived at the conclusion that they'd use an EMP, some kind of electromagnetic weapon, to draw him into a field where it would pop all the computerized components on the plane.
	Including the stall warning, including communication, navigation, the whole bit.
	In fact, one of the inexplicable aspects was that the props were below idle when they actually finally conducted a forensic investigation, but that's because the way it had been set up.
	Fascinating story.
	There's a flash lecture.
	I gave a three-part lecture on JFK 9-11 Wellstone in an hour apiece at the University of Minnesota Duluth in November of 2005.
	This is about six months before my retirement in June of 2006 after a 35-year career offering mostly courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning.
	If you go to AssassinationScience.com, which was my very first website, at the bottom left, you can find these flash lectures for all three, and I just say enjoy!
	I mean, it's a fascinating case.
	Wellstone plane went down just 60 miles north of my office in Duluth, and I brought John up, and we were tramping around in the snow at 35 below zero temperature, picking up pieces of the charred wreckage.
	Oh, no kidding.
	A lot of very good people really like the book.
	It's probably my shortest, and it's difficult to find.
	If you can get a used copy of American Assassination, The Strange Death of Senator Paul Wellstone, pick it up.
	You'll find it well worth it.
	I lay out the methodology for applying scientific reasoning To one of these controversial cases as explicitly as in any of my other books.
	And what I do, George, and you're well aware, I bring together groups of experts who engage in collaborative research to sort out what really happened and then publish the results.
	Where of the eight or nine books I have published at moonrockbooks.com, Amazon has banned six, George.
	I think that's the indoor record for book banning.
	And unlike Dr. Seuss, who ties with me in having also six books banned, his are because of diagrams, the way that an Asian child is represented with just slits for eyes.
	The woke left didn't like that, so they went after Dr. Seuss of all people.
	In my case, it's far more serious because they're banning my books on Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, and even the moon landing.
	No, George.
	That's no doubt, not because of contesting the moon where we could not have gone.
	We did not have the propulsion capacity to escape low Earth orbit.
	We didn't have the navigational capacity.
	In fact, the computer they claim They show us the design is not even a functional piece of equipment.
	And we could never have survived the Van Allen radiation belt.
	It would have required like six feet of lead to protect the astronauts.
	So the whole thing was really completely absurd.
	And I'm glad you brought that up because I had this.
	This is a 15 second clip for those listening to be able to hear it.
	This is Don Pettit.
	Just listen.
	This is an astronaut who still works for NASA.
	Listen to what he says.
	In a nanosecond.
	The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore.
	We used to, but we destroyed that technology, and it's a painful process to build it back again.
	Just think of the absurdity of that, George.
	Just the absurdity.
	We had the technology go to the moon, which is often claimed to be man's greatest technological scientific achievement, but we destroyed it?
	I mean, that's just ludicrous.
	In fact, it reinforces the fact that NASA discovered a treasure trove of moon film in a basement near NASA.
	And instead of preserving what would have to be regarded as the most historic footage ever taken by the hand of man, they destroyed it.
	And they did that because they knew with modern technology, it would be easy to prove that it had all been shot on a soundstage where Stanley Kubrick may in fact have played a role here.
	Oh, indeed.
	And I'm sure you've seen the movie The Shining.
	I think that was Stanley's way of saying, hey, guys, this is my subtle way of telling you guys I was responsible for this from the from the tang on the shelves to the little the young man wearing the rocket sweater.
	There was so many subtleties in that movie.
	That was how I felt.
	And then you go to Eyes Wide Shut, which I think was kind of the description of the early 70s Rothschild's events that they used to have.
	I don't know if you know this, but he, after filming, he screened it to the Warner Brothers executives in a hotel.
	They came out, there was a huge argument, and that was the night he died.
	He died in that hotel, which by the way, his biggest movie, and I know people don't like to hear the numbers stuff, but his most famous movie I think was 2001 A Space Odyssey, and he died exactly 666 days before January 1st, 2001.
	Yeah, Eyes Wide Shut was a film that gave orgies a bad name.
	But yeah, I guess.
	In my opinion, it's just a terrible film, but that's because they so massively edited it.
	They didn't want Stanley to reveal everything he discovered about the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers.
	I mean, these are entities that are real power brokers and shapers in the world, along with the World Economic Forum and the Rothschild banking empire, of course.
	That's spot on, and that's the other point I wanted to make.
	After he passed, I think that they cut anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes out of the final cut.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's a ridiculous film.
	I don't think you can watch it and find anything enjoyable about it.
	Oh, no, no.
	And it's a waste, because Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman are excellent actors, you know.
	I like them both.
	There's a wonderful film by Tom Cruise called Collateral.
	If you've never seen it, you got to check out.
	It's fairly obscure, but really, really good.
	And of course, Nicole Kidman, which he did to die for, was just sensational.
	I had not understood what Tom Cruise had seen in Nicole Kidman until I watched that film.
	Yeah, that's interesting, interesting stuff.
	Let's before we get into, because I do want to speak about that.
	You do have a court case that has been docketed at the Supreme Court.
	It was docketed just, I guess, a week ago yesterday, May 19th.
	So, you know, that certainly gives you a little bit of hope.
	But I do want to start with a couple of questions personally, because I followed all your work.
	But I have a couple of personal questions to ask you.
	First and foremost, it is Memorial Day weekend.
	You're a veteran.
	I'm a veteran.
	With everything that you've been going through for the last several years, do you feel personally betrayed by this country?
	Oh, the country has decayed, George.
	I would never have believed in my lifetime we could go from a robust, democratic, open, free speech nation to one that is massively controlled by censorship, where elections are stolen so blatantly, and where we have a fake president.
	This isn't even the real senator from Delaware.
	This is one of his A body doubles who can only speak using a teleprompter, and where it appears Barack Obama is calling the shots behind the scene, but Obama himself is under control of George Soros and the Rothschild, mind you.
	Obama, whom I was very proud to find elected as our first black president, has turned out to be literally and figuratively a black blot on the history of the United States.
	I've discussed it with Obama and it was he Who nullified the Smith-Mutt Act of 1948, which precluded the use of the same techniques of disinformation and propaganda within the United States that had herefore only been allowed without by the Smith-Mutt Modernization Act.
	This would include staged events, paid riots, the whole bit.
	He unleashed them on the world just in time for Sandy Hook.
	And now we have, in this latest Texas school shooting, appears to be a replica Sandy Hook.
	The Boston was based on the Christchurch event.
	The parallels are incredible.
	And anyone who looks at the Buffalo just sees it's a joke.
	In fact, I brought in a wonderful new resource, Brian Davidson, who's a private investigator.
	Who's done very serious work.
	He took it apart frame by frame.
	I'm talking about the Buffalo, and he discovered using sundial shadow analysis that the video that was released was actually shot at 118.
	But the police, when they showed up, it was like at 332, meaning we saw the rehearsal video.
	And of course, you're seeing the weapon fired, and there's no cartridge ejection.
	You see people falling before they've been shot.
	They're already on the ground.
	I mean, it's just stunning.
	You've got one where he's shooting a body on the ground point blank range into the head, but there's no explosion.
	In fact, in the video we've done, we've incorporated what it would look like if a party had actually been hit in the head by an AR-15.
	It's just ridiculous.
	You can find that on my BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer.
	Yeah, I know.
	I was doing some chores.
	I was listening on the radio, but I made it a point to stop and go in and watch it.
	Actually, I think I watched it on Giuseppe's Twitch channel.
	Yeah.
	Brian Davidson, I mean, he broke it down frame by frame, and that was one of the most tremendous jobs.
	And that was only about a week after the event.
	So I think he was a private investigator from... Yeah, I've got...
	I've got three experts, roughly of the same caliber, who are doing work on the Texas thing, and all three have given me reasons to conclude that it was similarly staged.
	And of course, you see, the parallel with Sandy Hook, the official story we were given about Adam Lanza was he shot his mother and then he went to an elementary school and killed 20 first graders and six adults.
	Well, here you got this kid who's Latino, He may be an immigrant, shooting his grandmother, then going to a school and shooting second, third, and fourth graders, 19 and 2, or whatever.
	The story's varied so massively.
	Just to mention a couple of inconsistencies, there was one version that said he drove this pickup truck, which by the way looks very new, into the school.
	Another, it's in a ditch.
	Well, I've seen a photograph in a ditch, but it's a...
	It's an expensive vehicle.
	Where in the world would this kid have come up with the money?
	Then they report that he bought not one, but two ARs when he became 18.
	Well, why would you need two?
	Plus, these are expensive.
	They can average between $1,000 and $1,500.
	You might be able to get something cheaper, but where did he get the money?
	Not only that, but it looks like shooting the grandmother trying to appeal to the elderly vote.
	It turns out this kid wears a dress.
	They're wanting after the transsexual vote.
	And of course, by shooting up a bunch of kids again, you're trying to bring all the parents in.
	Look, George, it ain't gonna work.
	The latest polling shows that the public has more confidence in the Republicans with regard to gun control than they have in the Democrats.
	So this is gonna backfire.
	But I'm telling you, all these are phony takes.
	Nobody's dying unbelievably bad.
	And just like you had Mark Brunner on Flight 93, supposed to be the folk hero saying, you know, let's roll and crash our cart into where they fake the crash of Flight 93.
	You got a borders guard who's supposed to have shown up and shot this kid dead.
	And again, we get two different reports.
	First, he was taken into custody live.
	Then we have this hero border officer who rushes in.
	Also, there's shades of Parkland because there are a lot of parents complaining that the police just stood around and didn't enter the school.
	Well, that's what happened at Parkland.
	I can tell you exactly why it happened at Parkland.
	Sheriff Scott Israel knew what was going on, but his deputies didn't.
	They had an officer in a hazmat suit using a SIM gun to fire SIM munition.
	It's made out of beeswax and laundry detergent.
	It will create a welt in the skin, but it won't even penetrate, which is why he had the miracle recovery of Samantha Fuentes and Maddie Wilford from their AR-15 wounds, where days later they're just wearing a Band-Aid.
	I mean, this is absurd beyond belief, but the fact is, Scott Israel knew his deputies did not know this was a stage event.
	If they'd gone in, they might have actually shot a fake shooter, so he kept them out.
	We'll see how it plays out here.
	But we do have a story of one parent who rushed into the school and saved her own two kids.
	I mean, that's just fascinating in and of itself.
	But I'll tell you, this whole thing is staged once again and modeled after Sandy Hook.
	Yeah, a couple of the things that really stood out on my call-in show last night, one of the callers, that's what we were, you know, apparently a fairly new F-150, and with hyperinflation, you're talking at least $30,000, $40,000, even if you get a deal.
	And those weapons he had, and with the sights and all that, anywhere between $4,000 and $6,000.
	Now, I get he's an assistant manager at Wendy's, so I'm sure he's making $200,000 a year, right?
	But yeah, there's a lot.
	But a couple things I did want to touch on.
	Number one, I guess the reports are the grandmother's going to live.
	Yeah.
	So that's an interesting fact.
	But the one that's really sticking out is, I guess, one of the teachers who was reportedly shot.
	Did you hear the story that her husband died of a heart attack yesterday?
	Oh yeah, he got home and the trauma was so much that he was overwhelmed.
	I've heard something about this, George.
	You may know more details than I. No, he was only 56 years old, and again, I think they were married for 20-30 years.
	I wonder if he got the vax, you know.
	We have this Ray LaLotta, who is an actor in Goodfellas and all that, dying at a young age.
	I wonder if he got the vax, you know.
	They're athletes.
	World-class athletes dropping dead on soccer fields because they got the vax, but pericarditis and myocarditis, which are forms of heart inflammation or of the sacs surrounding the heart, is a common effect.
	Turns out a hacker got into the Moderna and the Pfizer archives that have released, you know, tens of thousands of documents showing they knew all these side effects before.
	In fact, it's speculated one of the reasons for this new shooting is to conceal that or that Hillary Clinton's own attorney, Sussman, is being convicted that her own campaign manager, Robbie Mook, acknowledged Hillary had authorized the whole smear job on Donald Trump.
	Or that the Buffalo shooting was so bad, so amateurish, that they want to conceal it by another.
	Some have speculated because of my Supreme Court case before SCOTUS, which is actually about the improper summary judgment methodology in Wisconsin, which was highlighted because mine was such a high-profile case.
	Which has made it, as you observe, onto the docket of the Supreme Court.
	And I actually, George, I sent you a copy of my petition, which you're welcome to share with your audience.
	Yeah, I will certainly include that in the show notes as well.
	And again, for those who may have not heard your story, if you'd like to kind of give folks a heads up on what's going on between yourself and Posner, and how do you feel your chances are at SCOTUS?
	Do you think you have a good chance?
	Because listen, if I remember correctly, they refused to even look at the evidence that you had offered.
	Well, but that was in the Wisconsin court, what the Wisconsin judicial system allowed.
	And this was done by the circuit court judge, and then reaffirmed by the appellate court in Wisconsin, and then reaffirmed by the Wisconsin Supreme Court, which has entitled me to take the case to the U.S.
	Supreme Court.
	They practice a methodology that allows a judge to make a determination as to what facts are reasonable or unreasonable, so that both at the circuit court and the appellate court level, they made judgments that it was unreasonable to dispute the official narrative of Sandy Hook.
	And even though they gave a very clear delineation in both cases of the arguments I was making, The court had not allowed me to introduce all the evidence I had published in the book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, which provides overwhelming proof.
	That it was a FEMA drill for which we even have the manual, which I included in Appendix A. He wouldn't allow me to introduce that at the scheduling conference.
	He said that was a rabbit hole.
	We won't go down.
	He even admonished, although I, in the initial phase of liability determination, I was pro se.
	I obtained an attorney to represent me at the damage trial.
	And even the court admonished him, that was a rabbit hole, we won't go down.
	All the evidence that nobody died at Sandy Hook.
	Now, get this, George, I was being sued over the authenticity of a death certificate that Posner had made available to Kelly Watt.
	He had called her and had over 100 hours of conversation with Kelly.
	She told him again, she didn't believe a word he said, didn't believe he had a son, didn't believe he died at Sandy Hook.
	And one day, she asked for her proof.
	And one day he comes back and says, check out my Google Plus page and here you'll find, lo and behold, there's a copy of a kindergarten report card, there's a copy of a death certificate, there's a copy of a passport.
	Well, it's all fascinating stuff.
	The kindergarten card misspells the name of Dickinson Drive.
	I mean, is a teacher at a kindergarten on Dickinson Drive going to misspell Dickinson?
	I mean, it's just ridiculous!
	Turns out that the passport does not comply with the Department of State requirements for the photograph.
	They're very, very specific.
	It's clearly out of compliance, meaning that the passport even appears to be a fabrication.
	And then the death certificate is shared.
	It has no file number.
	It has no talent certification.
	It has no state certification, which means it's fraudulent on its face.
	It's incomplete.
	This is like a...
	A driver's license.
	If you looked at a driver's license and it had no driver's license number and no state seal, would you believe it was real?
	Obviously, you conclude it was fake.
	Well, the death certificate he provided to Kelly was just as fake as an incomplete driver's license.
	It even turns out that in Connecticut, not even parents are allowed to have a non-certified death certificate.
	And yet in the complaint, They attached a death certificate that had all of the above and claimed that it was not materially different than the death certificate I'd published in the book, which was, I mean, just legally absurd.
	And would you believe, nevertheless, during the hearing, the judge even complimented the fellow named Jake Zimmerman, who is Posner's lead attorney, on the well-crafted complaint when it was a legal absurdity.
	The fact is, I mentioned or got into evidence, even the book, it was the last evidence introduced as Exhibit 10.
	So even the book, I managed to get into evidence.
	And among the points I was making, even in my answer, I was outlining some of the proof I had that the judge You would not want me to introduce that there's an FBI Consolidated Crime Report for 2012 that shows under the category of murders and non-negligent homicides in Newtown for 2012, zero.
	Zero.
	Now, obviously, if Sandy Hook, which is a suburb, a part, a division of Newtown, had had those murders, the number would have to be at least 26 or 27.
	Suicides are regarded as a murder of a person of themselves, so it would count as a murder if he allegedly committed suicide.
	I also got into evidence that, or sought to, but mentioned, and it's in the book too, reports how the final report on Sandy Hook by the state's attorney, Stephen Sedinsky III, fails to create a causal nexus that relates the alleged shooter to the alleged weapons he used and the alleged victims.
	In other words, it's a complete forensic failure.
	And then, of course, the manual itself, the Sandy Hook manual for the event, which was included as appendix A.
	So, plus all the evidence that what was going on on the ground was a drill.
	You had a port-a-potties already in place.
	You had pizza bottle water available at the firehouse.
	You had so many wearing lanyards on name tags.
	You had a sign, everyone must check in.
	What says right in the manual?
	Everyone must check in with a controller when you arrive so you can be paid for your participation in that drill.
	And then we had parents bringing children to the scene.
	No parent, George, is going to be a child to the scene of a child shooting massacre.
	I mean, it's...
	It's beyond belief.
	And then the very day, there was no surge of EMTs into the building, no string of ambulance to rush their little bodies off.
	According to Sedansky, there were 489 students that day there, present.
	If you subtract 20 for the decedents, that's 469.
	Well, there was only one road in and out, Picketton Drive, and we didn't see a single bus.
	There was no evacuation.
	The state police, by the way, who are running this behind the scene, it took photographs of every part.
	Claim that evacuation could be seen at three specific locations and times and we have dash cam footage from those locations and times and there's no evacuation taking place.
	We're told you can't prove a negative, but you can prove there's no elephant in your living room by going to your living room and looking for signs of the presence of elephant.
	Finding none, you're entitled to infer that's because there's no elephant there, which is a negative.
	Well, similarly, if you go to the location and time when the evacuation is supposed to be taking place and find no signs of evacuation taking place, you're entitled to infer that's because no evacuation was taking place.
	It's stunning, the amount of evidence.
	But in Wisconsin, the judge was able to set all that evidence aside.
	I even introduced the reports of not one, but two forensic document experts, evidence that was unrebutted.
	Observing that, based on their study of a total of four death certificates that were introduced by the time we had the oral hearing, all four were fake.
	And of course, that included the one I published in the book and the one they'd attached to the complaint.
	That's got to be, you know, all of this has to be very frustrating.
	How has this taken a toll on you personally and your family?
	I mean, this is quite a weight on your shoulders, Jim.
	For me, you know, I'm not surprised.
	I mean, I appreciate the corruption.
	It was only in retrospect in preparing for my petition to the Supreme Court that I had conversation with a colleague who knows summary judgment procedures in Texas and who pointed out to me in Texas this would never have happened.
	What you have to do in Texas is protect the non-movement, the defendant.
	from being wrongfully denied of life, liberty, or property, in this case, property, of course, by taking everything the non-movement asserts to be the case as true, and then asking the movement, the plaintiff, whether he agrees with the non-movement about all the facts, which would whether he agrees with the non-movement about all the facts, which would have included, in my case, nobody died at Sandy Hook, it was a FEMA drill, and all And obviously, Posner would have said no, because he couldn't possibly agree with it.
	Then it would have automatically gone to a jury trial.
	But in Wisconsin, you can circumvent all of that.
	Wisconsin says, first look at the movement, the plaintiff, and see if he has a prima facie case.
	Then ask if there's anything that the defendant has to say that might offset it, and whether or not that can be dismissed, basically.
	It turns the judge into an advocate for the movement so that Getting a liability judgment against me in Wisconsin was a piece of cake.
	And by discussing the differences with Texas, I realized there was a federal issue here, because you had two states with completely variant summary judgment procedures.
	That was a violation of 14th Amendment right to equal justice under the law, and I composed The complaint, the petition to the Supreme Court to access that there's an issue here for the Supreme Court to rule upon to make summary judgment uniform throughout all the states.
	Plus, it turns out that based upon my conversation with a retired professor of law, that the abuse of summary judgment is a major form of corruption in the legal system in the United States.
	And for that reason, I believe the Supreme Court is going to find this case irresistible.
	It doesn't ask them to take a stand on Sandy Hook.
	Right.
	Merely that you have a defendant who has been sued because of something he published about Sandy Hook that raises these very appropriate issues before the Supreme Court.
	There are five criteria, George, they use to determine the relevance or viability of a case before the court.
	Mine Ranks highly on all five Wow, that's outstanding.
	I have to do say dr. Fetzer.
	I really Admire your conviction because most people in your place even including Alex Jones he as soon as you know, they started coming for him He reversed field and and went against what he used to said There's very few people in the world like yourself will hold steadfast to their convictions I just want to say I really admire that about you Well, I greatly appreciate that.
	And even a pro se defendant, I could not afford an attorney.
	I mean, I started out thinking I would have an attorney, but I soon realized I could not.
	He wanted $65,000 to make an appearance before the Supreme Court.
	Well, you know, I'm already in hock, as you observed, for $100,000.
	I've got these liens over me because the jury, based upon the wrongful conviction of me for liability by the circuit court judge, using the methodology that's Employed in Wisconsin, which I am disputing.
	The jury found me for $450,000.
	50th out, and because I was trying to expose that the fellow who came here and testified under the name of Leonard Posner was not Leonard Posner, but someone whom I identified in my documents as Ruben Vabner, whom I believe played a key role in orchestra in the whole Sandy Hook event, where the so-called whom I believe played a key role in orchestra in the whole Sandy Hook event, where the so-called Noah Posner was a fiction made up out of photographs of his own
	Michael Vabner is now alive and well and performing stand-up comedy in Cambridge near Harvard.
	I mean, this is just ridiculous, but the judge wouldn't hear it.
	And when I went about to seek out an impeachment witness, a judge threw the hammer at me and assigned, although in Wisconsin you don't get attorney fees, in this case he made an exception and assigned attorney fees of an additional $600.
	Oh my goodness.
	Oh yeah, so I got $1.1 million plus in liability hanging over my head and that's over and apart from the legal fees and Posner himself had said, About dragging Wolfgang Helbig into court.
	When someone, this was an exchange that I captured that he was having on a website, that he had lost there.
	And he said, well, no, he'd really won because he got him into court.
	He got him to take down his own Sandy Hook website and dragging him through the court system.
	And that was the objective was to punish those you see who are speaking out about Sandy Hook, which is, of course, also why he came after me with the additional motivation that With the book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, It Was a FEMA Drill to Promote Gun Control, was first published by an Amazon.com subsidiary called CreateSpace in 2015.
	on 22 October 2015, with 13 contributors, including six PhDs, where he established that the school had been closed by 2008.
	There were no students or faculty there.
	That had been a two-day FEMA drill that no one had died.
	They banned it less than a month later, even though it had sold nearly 500 copies, George.
	And at that point, I immediately released it for free as a PDF.
	And it apparently has been downloaded millions of times as a free PDF.
	Well, they wanted to have a a lawsuit against me for defamation so they could go after the site, except releasing the book for free as a PDF and tell them that I'd been found guilty of defamation and imply they'd be guilty as well if they continue to release a PDF.
	So this was like the little Dutch boy, you know, trying to put his finger in all the holes in the die.
	That's what they were doing here.
	That's incredible.
	Before I move on, because I do have a couple more questions to ask about Sandy Hooker.
	It's 10 33 a.m.
	You're listening to Dr. Jim Fetzer on the Fact Hunter radio program today on this Friday, May 27th.
	I know there's a lot of people waiting for me to ask you these couple questions, and I want to let the listeners know that I did address this to Jim prior to the program, so I'm not ambushing him.
	As everybody knows, we did have Rebecca Carnes on this program a few days ago, and I wanted to bring one of the things I wanted to do when Jim was on to give him a chance to answer these things.
	The first thing she said was She had written an article and put it on Henry McCall's website.
	Thank you.
	And she said that you made a phone call and had it taken down.
	What's your thoughts on that?
	Boy, that's news to me.
	I believe in freedom of speech.
	I'm absolutely opposed to censorship.
	I publish stuff on my own blog, with which I don't agree, because I think it's important enough and provocative enough.
	And I was a huge fan of Rebecca.
	I actually feature her on my own show.
	Uh, several Zoom interviews where she was completely impassioned on the other side, saying she was a Newtown mother who had realized that the whole thing had been a scam.
	So the idea that now she's reversed herself raises the following question.
	Was Rebecca telling the truth then, or is she telling the truth now?
	Because she's held both positions.
	This is like Alex Jones.
	He made himself vulnerable by reversing himself.
	He initially said it was safe to van.
	He even had one of his people on the ground in Newtown.
	And they were interviewing local residents who were saying they were surprised there were any kids there, because the school had been long abandoned.
	He even had that evidence at his fingertips, and yet he would subsequently reverse himself.
	The cases where Jones has been found liable, by the way, never reached the merits of the question, did anybody die at Sandy Hook?
	Mine is the case that came the closest, and they sought to bottle it up, as I've already explained.
	By filing this suit here in Wisconsin, they had inherent advantages.
	They could basically guarantee the outcome.
	So I was a huge fan of Rebecca.
	She's impassioned.
	She's intelligent and articulate.
	I think she's a super person.
	But something has happened, and I think she's been pressured To come around and confirm with the official story.
	And of course, being a Newtown resident, I think she simply succumbed to the pressure.
	But I'm all for Rebecca speaking out.
	I welcome that.
	She's done a piece where she was attacking Sophia Smallstorm and Wolfgang Halbig and me, all three at the same time, which I only began to watch.
	But I'm going to watch the whole thing and I say, Rebecca, what happened to you, girl?
	Because you were fantastic.
	And if you want to address, she's also come to believe that you are a controlled opposition.
	So how much money are you getting from the CIA?
	You know, this has been brought up periodically.
	If I were some kind of government agent, I must be the most counterproductive in history because I've exposed governmental complicity and JFK, 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing.
	I mean, I'm exposing the government right and left.
	So, I mean, the very idea that I should be some kind of controlled opposition is frankly absurd on its face.
	And one more on this subject and we'll move on because I have a ton of questions to ask you is, she did, and I talked to Giuseppe as well at the end of the interview, she said she wanted to do some type of roundtable with you to present her facts against yours.
	So if you ever down the road want to have a roundtable, myself, Giuseppe, and we'll have Rebecca and yourself, that would be something you'd be open to.
	Oh, sure, 100%.
	I think that'd be great.
	I'd be very happy to do that.
	I would welcome Rebecca back onto my show.
	I mean, you know.
	I emphasize the methodology of falsificationism advocated by the great British philosopher-sciencer called Popper, that the only way it can gain reliable evidence that a theory is true is by attempting to falsify the theory and being unsuccessful.
	If Rebecca thinks she can falsify the theory that nobody died at Sandy Hook, have at it!
	I'm all for it!
	Let's do it!
	All right, that sounds really good.
	And George, I commission you to orchestrate.
	Go ahead.
	Reach out to Giuseppe and Rebecca and me and set it up.
	I'm authorizing you to do that.
	OK, sir, we will do that.
	And that will be certainly a can't miss show.
	OK, so I do want to a couple more things on Sandy Hook and then I want to move along.
	But I wanted to talk about Wayne Carver and that weird moment he had.
	Was that, you know, was that him being pressured?
	What was that moment about when he was doing that press conference?
	You've got to understand this was a community event.
	The school board was in on it.
	The town attorney was in on it.
	The police department was in on it.
	The state police were in on it.
	The governor was in on it.
	This was a Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Eric Holder op to promote gun control.
	Eric Holder back in 1995 addressed a Democrat National Women's Convention and said, we've got to change the public's attitude toward guns.
	We have to brainwash them.
	That's not my word.
	That's Eric Holder's.
	And Eric Holder, of course, was a party who traveled to Connecticut on the 27th of November, just weeks before, to consult with a governor who, during his press conference, said he and the lieutenant governor had been spoken to, that something like this might happen.
	Leading me to ask, something like this?
	What did he mean, that he was warned of some Demanded kid might come into a public school in Connecticut and shoot it up, in which case he had the obligation to notify the school district to increase their security to ensure it didn't happen, or was he told they were going to take an abandoned school to conduct a drill and present it as a real event to promote gun control, which is exactly what happened.
	And of course, a party by whom he was spoken to was Eric Holder, the Attorney General of the United States, I have no doubt whatsoever.
	That's really interesting.
	Now, you asked about Wayne Carver.
	Yes, sir.
	Maybe the most damning photograph in the entire book.
	And there's a brilliant guy by the name of William Powell from Down Under who did Chapter 7 and Chapter 8 of the book, where Chapter 7 has 50 photographs from the alleged Adam Lanza residence.
	Chapter 8, 50 photographs from the school showing how they refurbished the school.
	You even got the moving vans coming in.
	They're cleaning it up, tidying it up to be the stage in the Adam Lanza home.
	There aren't any decorations, paintings, whatnot on the walls.
	This is clearly an abandoned, an empty home that they fashioned for the purpose in the Nancy Lanza bedroom where he's supposed to have shot his mother with a .22 caliber rifle.
	There's a little reddish stuff on the Bad, but it doesn't look like blood to me.
	It looks like it might be raspberry jam.
	There's a cedar chest where they have forms there that you find in many of the other photographs, where they appear to have been keeping records how they arranged the room.
	And then, Kelly Watt, who has her own commercial and home cleaning service with her keen eye, spotted a blue moving pad.
	Beneath the leg of the bed that, in their haste, they forgot to remove.
	Now, with regard to the school itself, we have a photograph where you've got a crime scene vehicle already in the parking lot at Sandy Hook.
	There's crime scene tape up.
	You got Wayne Carver leaning against the wall with his arms folded, apparently awaiting the arrival of his portable mortuary tent.
	But!
	There's a string of windows in Classroom 10 that are undamaged that after the event would be shot out.
	So you know this is before the event.
	In other words, Wayne Carver was part and parcel of the whole lot.
	In fact, without him as a state medical examiner, I don't think the country would have fallen for it.
	But because he, you know, was the right authority to be addressing the issue, And by the way, as an aside, he explained that the parents weren't allowed to see the kids.
	Allegedly, they were left in place in the school until removed in the dead of night, which is ridiculous beyond words.
	But in one of these two lawsuits that are cited as showing that Sandy Hook was real, Neil Hesselin claims that he held his dying son in his arms.
	Wayne Carver explained the parents weren't even allowed to see the kids, so how could that possibly be true?
	It can.
	Neil Heslin, like all the others, are just fakes and phonies, but they've collected huge benefits because the public has donated between $27 and $130 million out of sympathy.
	Too gullible to see through it all, which divided by the 26 families is between one and five mil for faking to have lost a child at Sandy Hook.
	James Tracy, by the way, did a very serious dissection of the Wayne Carver press conference loaded with anomalies.
	And while you haven't said the word yet, he said he hoped this didn't come crashing down on the good people of Newtown.
	I'd say we've reached that point.
	Yeah, that's a great point.
	Speaking of the money, I'm the type of person, I like to investigate non-profits, and I'm sure you've heard of the Sandy Hook Promise Foundation.
	Of course.
	I have a suit before the tax court of the United States That this was based upon a fraud, and therefore, instead of being taxed at the charitable rate, should be taxed at the normal rate, which would make a huge difference.
	And believe it or not, the Commissioner of the IRS is opposing me!
	I'm actually in the process of doing a rebuttal to their attempts to dismiss my suit.
	Can you believe?
	They'll go after an ordinary citizen for 600 bucks, but when they could have millions in additional taxes from this fraudulent charity, They're not willing to raise their least digit.
	I mean, it's it's unbelievable what's going on here.
	Yeah.
	The reason I bring that up, I was doing some research before actually Rebecca came on and I went to their website and I was trying to bring it up.
	Their website's glitching today, probably because they recognize my IP address or something.
	It's flashing out.
	But I want to say because, you know, anytime your nonprofit, 501C3, you have to file in.
	It's a 990 IRS form 990.
	They claim on their website, and I'm going off memory here because it's not coming up, somewhere 12% of their donations go to administration.
	I pulled up their 990 form, and last year, I guess the last form that I found was 2020, they had 17, and this is just what they're reporting, Jim, well over $17 million in revenue.
	million dollars in revenue and almost 50 percent it was like 7.8 million went to salaries alone that is almost 50 percent so that in itself is fraudulent George, if you got that, send it to me.
	I'll include it in my rebuttal to the tax court.
	Absolutely, and I've been chasing these 990s for a long time.
	Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, over 1,300 pages.
	They spend almost $10 million a year on plane tickets.
	I mean, these non-profits are- How ridiculous is that, George?
	Geez.
	Yeah, so what all these folks do is they make their money, they pull up these faux foundations, so they don't get taxed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's money laundering, George.
	That's what's going on here.
	Money laundering.
	And before we move on, two things.
	Are you still, I know you offered a critical thinking course, is that somebody can go back and still do on your replays?
	Yes, yes, all the classes are recorded.
	You can go to mixinstream.com slash critical hyphen thinking dot html and you can enroll in the course and you have all of the classes that we've done.
	We're about at midpoint.
	There are 15 classes and the first six or so set it up explaining the principles of reasoning, informal fallacies, the nature of thought, and all that.
	Really fantastic stuff.
	And now we're in the midst of applying.
	We've already done 9-11.
	And JFK.
	And in fact, the next class is on Wellstone, coincidentally, the very next class, which they're held on Wednesdays at 8 p.m.
	Central, 9 p.m.
	Eastern, 6 p.m.
	Pacific.
	But you can get the whole course online and all the materials are provided as a part of your enrollment.
	It's $150 to enroll in the course.
	That's the equivalent of $10 per class.
	And I've got over 40 students in the course.
	So that's a tremendous way to help you financially and also gain a wealth of knowledge.
	And I'm just asking because we only had two minutes before the show to really speak.
	If there are listeners out there, maybe Donald Trump's listening or Nathan Rothschild, and they want to lend you some money.
	By the way, you can also go to my blog at jamesfetzer.org and just go for Conspiracy 101, Critical Thinking and Conspiracy Theories, and you can get all the data about how to enroll there as well.
	You'll see the course schedule and everything else.
	Okay, and that's jamesfetzer.org.
	And I will, again, for those listening on the replay, I'll make sure that's in the show description so they can find that, Jim.
	But getting back to that, was there any other way if folks wanted to help you financially?
	Oh yeah, I have a GiveSendGo account.
	It's called GiveSendGo.com slash FundingFetzer, and it lays out how I initially thought the case would primarily be a First and Second Amendment case, but it's turned out to be a Seventh and Fourteenth, but it's all in defense of the First and the Second Amendment.
	If you go to GiveSendGo.com slash FundingFetzer, there's no slash at the end or you won't get there.
	Funding FEDSER, you can contribute.
	That would be terrific.
	That goes directly into my legal defense fund, because I still have that $100,000 I've got to pay off, and it would be a huge benefit if anyone could help me do that.
	Believe me, I'm doing this for the whole United States, for all the people with regard to the 1st, the 2nd, the 7th, and the 14th Amendment, which are the core of what this nation is supposed to be all about.
	Yeah, we certainly have a country on paper, and then we actually have the country when you look around.
	There are two complete separate entities right now, Jim.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let me just reiterate, I think Rebecca's a super person, whatever she has done here, you know, why she's made this U-turn, I don't know, but I would be willing to bet it wasn't completely voluntary, though now it would appear she's quite as convinced now that kids really did die as she was convinced that kids did not in the past.
	Right.
	Yeah, that'll be interesting.
	And it'll be a great conversation.
	And just to shore up, I did get on their page 13% go to administration fees, whereas according to my math, it was 46%.
	And I will send you that information, Jim.
	Do that.
	Do that.
	That would be sensational, George.
	Absolutely.
	Now, I have a question for you.
	So, you know, we look at these false flags and we determine nobody died.
	Where are these people?
	Where do they get them from?
	You know, these quote unquote crisis actors and how do they keep them?
	From ever coming out and speaking the truth.
	Well, this is a very complicated issue.
	The whole thing was synthetic.
	They brought kids from various places.
	There's even an unknown school that's not even called a school, but something like a community action or adventure center for autistic kids in the vicinity of the Sandy Hook School, which I don't believe actually was ever an elementary school.
	And it appears the string of kids you see in that line where the policewoman is, they may very well have been autistic kids that were lined up for that purpose.
	And it's really sensational because there were two different photographs of the kids in two different arrangements.
	Shannon Hicks, by the way, the Newtown Bee photographer, has acknowledged having taken both of these photographs.
	So I've got it from Shannon herself.
	She took both.
	And in the earlier photograph, you can see a whole lot of parents standing around with their arms folded, hands in their pockets, casually looking on.
	You see a couple in the background that are so relaxed, I even think they're in chairs.
	I describe this photograph as lounging at the massacre.
	And the policewoman is rearranging the kids to get a better shot.
	So she takes away this little girl in a pink skirt, in a pink sweater and a skirt.
	And replaces her with a taller little boy in a dark sweater and blue jeans, and he is more photogenic.
	It's a better shot.
	But the fact is, it was all contrived.
	I mean, what are parents doing there during the massacre anyway, right?
	Does someone say, oh, we got a kid in here shooting us up.
	Let's get some parents down here.
	And once they arrive, if this had been an emergency, you'd grab your kid and get the hell out of Dodge, just like that woman did in Texas.
	She got in, grabbed her kids, and got the hell out of the school.
	I mean, the whole thing's absurd.
	And we have Shannon Hicks on record acknowledging she took both photographs.
	If you want proof of fraud, right, it's right there, those two photographs compared with one another.
	I mean, it's conclusive.
	So, you have synthetic families.
	You got persons who are supposed to be married that are actually separate, were never married.
	I'm convinced, by the way, that's the case with the so-called Leonard Posner.
	He's supposed to be married to Veronique de la Rosa.
	Well, I don't believe that's the fact of the matter.
	And by the way, virtually every one of my efforts at discovery here in Madison were rejected.
	I don't recall getting anything out of discovery from the Posner side.
	On the other hand, they subjected me to a whole lot of discovery requests.
	It's fascinating, but let me just say, this is complicated.
	Some of the kits were made up, as in the case of Noah Posner, out of photographs of Another person when they were a child.
	Mona Alexis Presley has done brilliant work with evidence that some of the parents used photographs of themselves when they were children to be Sandy Hook kids.
	I mean, it's a very complicated story.
	Sandy Hook appears to be something on the order of a CIA town.
	There are a whole lot of retired military and intelligence there.
	I think they found it was a perfect location to conduct, but believe me, As Sophia explained from the beginning, a whole community was involved in this deception, including the Connecticut State Police.
	Well, we know with the Oklahoma City bombing, we had more tyranny.
	We know with 9-11, we had the Patriot Act.
	What specific things did the government gain with the event of Sandy Hook?
	Well, within a month and two days on The 16th of January 2012, Barack Obama signed no less than 23 executive orders to constrain our access to weapons under the Second Amendment.
	That was their objective!
	They also thought they could get an assault weapon banned.
	Actually, there was a period when assault weapons were banned and it made no difference to the crime rate.
	The reason they're going after what they call the assault weapons, and technically they're not, a semi-automatic weapon, which only fires one round each time you depress a trigger, is not an assault weapon.
	That would be fully automatic.
	So you depress a trigger and it continuously fires until you run out of ammo.
	But this, the AR-15, is the most popular and the most versatile weapon available to the American people.
	And the Supreme Court, by the way, has ruled that Americans are entitled to own these weapons regardless of whether they are or are not part of a militia, and that that even extends to military-style weapons.
	That's a court has left that question.
	Not ruled against the possession of an AR-15.
	They're trying to demonize because it's a weapon that you could use best to defend yourself against a tyrannical government.
	And that, I think, is our greatest strength.
	We have in excess of 130 million armed Americans who aren't about to give up their guns.
	And by the way, Every time one of these fake shootings takes place, millions more Americans buy guns for the first time.
	I have reports being in gun stores where women are buying ammunition.
	I tell ya, you gotta go a long way to get a woman into a gun store buying ammo, but it's happening.
	And as I said before, the public has greater confidence in the Republicans regarding gun control than they do the Democrats, which means this whole thing is backfiring on them, and I think badly.
	Do you think this was intentionally done the weekend before the NRA conference in Houston, Texas?
	Oh yeah, there are a whole bunch of motives here.
	You've got this hacker getting into Moderna and Pfizer archives and revealing how much they knew about the damage that Vax would do.
	You've got Michael Sussman, a Hillary attorney, where Robbie Booker, campaign manager, exposed that Hillary was responsible.
	You got the NRA forthcoming.
	I think it was intended as a distraction.
	Look at their success!
	You turn on the TV, whatever, it's nothing but this shooting in Texas, non-stop.
	There's no room for anything else.
	It's all been suppressed.
	Some speculate it's also because of my SCOTUS petition.
	Which may or may not.
	I mean, they're reviving Sandy Hook.
	I actually think, because mine was the effort that came the closest to exposing that it was a sham, they would like to suppress it.
	But I think, ironically, it's probably going to generate more interest in my case, especially given it's on the docket of the Supreme Court.
	That's impressive.
	And one more question before we go to the break.
	This is from a listener from the chat room.
	And the question is, have you ever talked to Jonathan Reich?
	I think that's the gentleman who was accused of harassing Wayne Carver.
	With whom I've collaborated knows the Jonathan Reich case inside and out.
	I gotta admit, that's one where I don't really know enough details to be able to responsibly address it, but I gather he was given a dirty deal.
	I believe it's Wolfgang who has been most involved with Jonathan Reich, and I'd encourage you to bring him on.
	Wolfgang's a terrific guy.
	We traveled to Newtown together in 2014.
	And the Newtown Police Department set up six or seven guys to prevent Wolfgang from entering the United Way right there, where all the records for the donations are supposed to be publicly accessible.
	They physically restrained him from doing that.
	I mean, really, really stunning.
	And we visited where the school used to be, and it was just nothing but dirt clods at this point in time, and spoke before the school board, where I asked, When were the parents notified that their students were attending classes in a toxic waste dump?
	Because we have these reports of how it was loaded with asbestos and other biohazards.
	In fact, they knew this well in advance.
	That's why the school was abandoned way back in 2008.
	Gotcha.
	Perfect timing.
	We are about to go to a break.
	Hour two of the Fact on Radio broadcast with the legendary Jim Fetzer.
	Lots more to talk about, including the JFK assassination, the moon landing at 9-11, and definitely COVID.
	We definitely need to touch on that, how that has changed the course of our country.
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	All right.
	Welcome back to Hour 2 of the Fact Hunter radio broadcast on this Friday, May 27th.
	It's 11.04 a.m.
	on the East Coast.
	And our special guest today is the legendary Jim Fetzer.
	Hour 2, Jim, real quick before I get into JFK, have you ever looked at the Gabby Giffords case out there in Arizona?
	Well, it looks as though that hit was intended to take out the judge.
	There was a drug dealer who was going to be sentenced.
	He was known for giving maximum sentences.
	The whole Gabby thing looks totally fishy.
	I'm not an expert on the Gifford case, but it certainly does not look like a bona fide attempt to kill her, but to take out the judge.
	And of course, at the same time, it's been used to promote gun control.
	It obviously has many signs that it was a contrived event, but deliberate to kill the judge.
	So, it's been exploited for political purposes, as have all these shootings, because these others, from Sandy Hook on, have been intended to promote the Democrats' gun control agenda.
	Though, as I say, at this point in time, Americans seem to have more confidence in the GOP In fact, I think it's boomeranging.
	I think it's not going to work for their benefit.
	They've been discounted on every ground.
	Nothing that Biden has done since he came in following the massively stolen election has been to benefit the United States.
	Everything they've done has been destructive.
	of our economic, political, social integrity as a nation, and violating the law and the Constitution is routine for them.
	They believe, as did W when he said, the Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper.
	That's a Democrat's attitude today.
	Just exactly the same.
	I couldn't agree more.
	Let's get into your first book.
	Murder in Dealey Plaza.
	What we know now that we didn't know then about the death of JFK.
	You talk a lot about the Zapruder film, especially frame 335.
	And do you think that was a hoax as well?
	The Zapruder film?
	Well, just two emendations.
	That was actually the second in the trilogy.
	The first was Assassination Science, published in 1998.
	Murder in Dealey Plaza, 2000.
	Then the great Zapruder Film Hoax, 2003.
	So I have a whole additional book on the Zapruder Film Hoax.
	Murder in Dealey Plaza, the name of which was suggested by David W. Mantic, PhD MD, who's also the leading expert on the medical evidence in the assassination of JFK, has three wonderful chapters there, a synthesis of the medical evidence, and talking about the silence of the historians, and then about issues related to the Zapruder film.
	Yes, what's so important about those three books Is that they blow apart the cover-up, and once you blow apart the cover-up, which is based on fabricated evidence, it's pretty obvious to see what actually happened.
	The cover-up, and David took the lead here, where he and I had a conversation before he entered the National Archives the first time.
	1992 in November, December, with the permission of Burke Marsha, was a Kennedy family attorney, then a professor emeritus at the Yale School of Law.
	He told me before he went in, he thought he'd find evidence that the x-rays had been altered and proof of a second shot to the head.
	He found both.
	At the time, David was extremely myopic, and he applied a method he knew from physics, where he had a PhD from Wisconsin in physics, an MD from Michigan in medicine, and then is board certified in radiation oncology, which is a treatment of cancer using x-ray therapy as his area of specialization.
	So he's an expert in reading x-rays.
	He performed this measurement of light in little tiny segments of the autopsy x-rays, the right lateral cranial x-ray for example, and discovered an area which he demarcated as Area P, where using this technique you can calculate the relative density of the objects whose exposure to radiation create the image, and ascertained that that
	Harriet was much too dense to be human bone, so that unless JFK was a bonehead, unless his skull was nothing but solid bone, this was not a bonafide x-ray.
	And it would be years later that I would look at the Zapruder film recognizing that Well, they'd edited massively from frame 313, which is the frame you met, where they merged actually two different shots together and then painted in the blood spray.
	I looked and thought, well, they might have not realized that you could see the blood at the back of the head in later frames.
	Then I found in frame 374, you can actually see the blowout.
	So if you juxtapose David's area P with a blowout, there's a very close overlap between them, except there's hair still on Jack's head that concealed parts.
	But it's very clear that he had this massive, just I blew out at the back of his head, they concealed, they substituted another brain for the brain of JFK.
	I got that report into assassination science from Dr. Robert B. Livingston, who is a world authority on the human brain and also an expert on wound ballistics, having supervised an emergency medical hospital.
	During the Battle of Okinawa for injured Japanese POWs and Okinawans, And who recognized that they'd made this substitution of someone else's brain, where Jack actually had half his brains blown out in Dealey Plaza.
	In fact, according to Thomas Evan Robinson, who prepared the body for funeral, there was no discoloration to the face, which means Jack died instantly in Dealey Plaza when his brains were blown out.
	But this brain they substituted was virtually completely intact.
	In fact, it was an abnormally large brain, 1500 grams.
	Whereas a normal adult male brain is 1530, but it doesn't show any massive damage.
	And in particular, Bob pointed out that there's a compact part of the brain called the cerebellum at the base, just above the spinal column, that physician after physician at Parkland Observe being blown out of this fist-sized wound, but the cerebellum in the substitute was completely intact.
	They also massively altered the Zapruder film.
	They took out around 100 frames.
	This was supposed to be around 20 frames per second.
	I think that really turned out to be an effect of the way in which they edited the film.
	They took out nearly 100 turning from Houston onto him because the driver, William Greer, Overshot, mistook the frontage road in front of the book depository for Elm Street and had to nearly hit a concrete abutment, had to pause and get back in line, which they believe would have shaken the confidence of the Secret Service to protect the president.
	In fact, they were setting him up.
	I have more than 15 indications of Secret Service complicity in saying I'm up for the hit.
	And then, actually, Jack was hit in the back by a shot fired from the top of the county records building by a Dallas deputy sheriff.
	He was hit in the throat by a shot that passed through the windshield by an Air Force expert from inside the triple underpass, but he was still alive.
	So we had a figure that was a Cuban giving this fist gesture to bring the vehicle to a halt.
	He had the umbrella man who was pumping an umbrella meaning the target is still alive, keep shooting.
	And the driver then rolled the limousine to a left and to a halt.
	He was hit in the back of the head by a shot fired by the Daltex by an anti-Castro Cuban.
	He slumped forward.
	Jack eased him back up and was looking him right in the face when he was hit at the right tempo by a bullet that blew his brains out the back of his head.
	David now believed, virtually simultaneously, he was hit in the side of the head also from the grassy knoll.
	That first shot having been fired by the intersection of the triple underpass and the picket fence by a CIA shooter, and I can give you the name, rank, and serial number of all these guys, And then he slumped to the left.
	This is when Jackie's climbing up, going after a big chunk of Jack's skull and brains on the trunk.
	But when they edited the film, they merged the two shots, so you don't see the slump forward except for one frame, 312 to 313.
	You can see the only forward motion that remains in the edited version.
	And then they took out too many frames, so instead of seeing Jack slump to the left, it's a very hard, fast, jerky motion to the left no one in Dealey Plaza saw because it was an artifact of the way they edited the film, which was done, by the way, at Hawkeye Works, which is a secret CIA lab near the Kodak headquarters in Rochester, New York, first revealed by David Lifton in his brilliant book, Best Evidence.
	We've had a lot of major evidence in our country's events, excuse me, in our country's history that has shaped where we are today, whether it be the false flag at Fort Sumter, whether it be the hijacking of the Federal Reserve in 1913, a lot of hypothesis on, a lot of people knew what was going on December 7th, 1941.
	Was this, though, the real first major clandestine event where the powers that be really figured out we can almost do whatever we want and as long as we have the media At our disposal, we can run this country however we want to.
	Well, I think you go back to the main, which blew up in Havana Harbor.
	It appears actually it was a boiler malfunction, but the Hearst newspapers insisted that it had been done deliberately to provoke the Spanish-American war.
	We know, of course, that Woodrow Wilson concealed that the Lusitania was actually carrying weapons in its hold, so it was a legitimate target for U-2 Germans to sink, which was contributing to our entry into World War I. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, we'd broken the Japanese code, knew the assault on Pearl Harbor was coming.
	We'd actually provoked it.
	John Stennard in his brilliant book, Day of Deceit, talks about how the U.S.
	had cut off Japan from access to oil in the South Pacific.
	But Roosevelt believed that to overcome the non-interventionist or isolationist attitude that prevailed in the country, he had to allow it to take place.
	So he knew it was coming, but the naval commanders in Pearl did not know it was coming.
	And, you know, it's gone down as a A day that will live in infamy.
	Well, we've had a lot of those.
	9-11 was clearly an orchestrated event.
	Compliments of the CIA, the neocons, and the Department of Defense and the Mossad.
	That was engineered by Israel, of Israel, by Israel, for Israel.
	Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Olmert.
	who are two prime ministers of Israel, seem to have come up with a master plan back in the late 1980s to use the World Trade Center and attack as a way to get the United States into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab state that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually seem to have come up with a master plan back in the late 1980s to use the World Trade Center and attack as a way to get the United States into So we know a lot about all of these events.
	In addition to the three we mentioned about JFK of a fourth in 2017, JFK Who, How, and Why, where I'm reporting new research, for example, by Larry Rivera, who nailed this limo stop for the first time Fred Newcomb had interviewed the four motorcycle officers and their escort, Stavis Ellis, and they all confirmed the limo stop and all the activity that took place.
	I originally thought the limo stop might have been only six or eight seconds.
	But get this.
	Officer Hargis on the left rear parked his bike, ran between the two vehicles, which of course would have been impossible had they been in motion, up to the grassy knoll.
	Officer Douglas Jackson motorcycled right up the grassy knoll.
	We have photographs.
	You can see the imprint of the tire track until his bike fell over and he proceeded on foot.
	Five agents dismounted the Cadillac.
	known colloquially as the Queen Mary and surrounded the presidential one looked a chunk of skull from a little boy and threw it in the backseat.
	I've been unable to reconcile that with a stop of less than 20 seconds, which would be at 20 frames per second, another 400 frames.
	So since the accident film only has 487 frames, we got more frames that were taken out of the film than remain in the accident version part.
	Plus, they altered, they blacked out the blowout to the back of the head in frames 313 through 317 and elsewhere.
	Whereas I say, they overlooked that it might be visible later on.
	Larry Revere has, by the way, discovered that Jackie's gloves, which were wide, Provide a background in earlier frames, we can see the whole dimensions of the Massey blowout highlighted against her white glove.
	Completely brilliant work.
	Not only that, but Ralph Sinque, who founded the Oswald Innocence Campaign, which is predicated on the proposition that Oswald didn't do it because he was standing in the doorway of the book depository when the motorcade passed by.
	He had convinced me long since that based on the height, the weight, the build, the shirt and the t-shirt the man in the doorway is wearing, which were the same as the height, the weight, the shirt and the t-shirt Oswald was wearing when he was arrested, that it was indeed Lee in the doorway.
	As Jim Garrison and Harold Weisberg, among others, have long since concluded, and where Weisberg reported in the second of his whitewash series, the last few pages, how the Warren Commission staff was having a hard time suppressing the fact that Lee was in the doorway at the time the motorcade passed by, Which not only meant he could not have been the lone demented shooter, but could not have been one of the multiple, where we've now identified eight different shooters.
	I have identified specifically six, and can tell you where they were, who they were, the shot they took, and the effects.
	Ole Damagard is seventh, with which I agree.
	We've now discovered there was an eight-shooter on the south knoll where there's a single tree.
	You wouldn't think there was a place for a shooter there, but I've seen photographs in the possession of two different students at JFK showing him standing with his rifle.
	These are different photographs, but the same guy.
	He's the only one we haven't identified, by the way.
	Well, it turns out each of these seem to be represented one of the sponsors of the assassination.
	The Dow Deputy Sheriff, the Air Force Joint Chiefs, you got a CIA shooter, you got Lyndon Johnson, personal hit man, I got an anti-Castro, you got an Israeli shooter.
	So this guy might represent the Fed or he may be the Texas oil men, but I'm just telling you, each of the parties who want to jack out, which with the exception of the anti-Castro Cubans, was because of the policies of Lyndon Johnson, which they preferred over those of the present incumbent were for policy reasons.
	And even as eminent a figure as Noam Chomsky has dismissed the very idea of conspiracy in the case of JFK, claiming there were no policy issues at stake, which is ridiculous.
	Jack was going to get us out of Vietnam.
	He was all of our forces.
	He was cracking down on organized crime.
	He was going to cut the oil depletion allowance.
	He wasn't going to allow Israel to have nuclear weapons.
	He was circumventing or abolishing the Fed.
	I mean, he was going to These are all among the motives that brought the various sponsors together, but where Lyndon Johnson was the mastermind behind the assassination and really, in effect, the brains behind it were even sent as Chief Administrative Assistant Cliff Carter down to Dallas to make sure all the arrangements were in place for the assassination.
	And then, of course, there's the photo that's so telling when he's on Air Force One getting ready to be sworn in with Jackie standing next to him, and he's winking at his buddy on the airplane.
	I'm sure you've seen that picture.
	Well, it's the congressman who's winking at Lyndon, yeah.
	It's very interesting.
	He claimed Bobby said he should be sworn in, but he didn't need to be sworn in.
	He made it up, but it created a delay and gave an excuse for bringing everyone forward.
	The body was in a casket at the back of the plane.
	And during the swearing in, and that was a congressman by the name of Thomas, who was winking at Linton.
	And if you go to the Lyndon Johnson Library now, you can find the original negatives for all the photos in that series, except for that photograph.
	They unloaded the body into a body bag.
	There was a compartment there in the plane, so when at Andrews they were unloading the bronze ceremonial casket with Jackie and Bobby and all eyes were on them, the body was actually being offloaded to the other side of the plane, put in a chopper, and taken to Walter Reed, where the best forensic
	Pathologists in the military removed various bullet fragments and then transported the body in a black hearse to the back of the morgue, where Jack was already undergoing the autopsy when Jackie with a gray navy and entourage showed up in front of the Bethesda Naval Hospital, where General Custer, who was a radiation technologist who actually took all the x-rays, was proceeding upstairs.
	Yeah, when you go against the CIA, you know, he publicly said he wanted to break them into a million pieces, and then they came to him with Operation Northwoods, and he declined that.
	He refused to sign off on it.
	I think at that point, at least from the CIA's point of view, he wasn't going to play ball, and they needed to get him out of the way.
	Yeah, Curtis LeMay was the head of the Air Force, was absolutely adamant JFK, they were branding him as a communist.
	In fact, the Air Force expert who was firing from inside the triple underpass appears to have used a newly designed weapon that only a few were ever manufactured, and I believe Curtis LeMay gave it to him to use so he would know he was acting in authority of the head of the Air Force at the time and taking out the Commander-in-Chief.
	How frustrating is it that, you know, we, the citizens of the United States, you know, every time one of these guys run for president, even Trump, vowed, you know, if I'm elected, one of the first things I'm going to do is release this and that.
	And they always say they're going to release the JFK files.
	They always leave breadcrumbs, but they'll never come out and give the honest truth about this stuff.
	I mean, I know the answer, but why do you think this is the case?
	Well, I mean, it's the same reason they call us conspiracy theorists.
	Conspiracy theorists are investigating crimes, which more often than not lead back to the government, so the government doesn't want to give the rope hanging itself.
	That's similar with all the JFK records, which would leave no doubt about CIA complicity in the assassination.
	What they did release Under Trump was very significant because it included the fabrication of the whole purported visit to Mexico City where Lee was supposed to have gone to get a visa to go to Cuba to escape back to Russia.
	Actually, Lee Oswald was our guy.
	He was recruited, it appears, by the Office of Naval Intelligence when he was undergoing recruit training in San Diego, where I would subsequently serve as a series commander with 15 DIs and 300 recruits under my command.
	He was then afterwards stationed at Atsugi, which was the base from which the U-2 overflights were transiting the Soviet Union.
	They knew they were happening, but didn't know the altitude, couldn't shoot them down, because Oswald was a radar operator.
	And by the way, Have there been any doubt about his loyalty to the United States?
	He would never have been in such a position.
	His defection to the Soviet Union was a fake on a Sunday.
	It had no legal significance.
	He appears to have provided them with information to shoot down the plane, but the CIA had taken its own measures.
	They shorted the gas in this particular flight, so it looked full, but it was only partially full, so that when the plane started to come down, the pilot was supposed to take a cyanide tablet.
	This was on the eve of a summit between Eisenhower and Khrushchev that was intended to reduce world tensions.
	But Khrushchev accused the United States of spying on the Soviet Union.
	Eisenhower dutifully denied it.
	And then they produced a pilot, Francis Gary Powers, in the plane.
	And it was very embarrassing.
	It led to the, you know, aborting of the summit and an increase in international tension.
	Well, when Lee returned to the U.S.
	having married the daughter of a KGB colonel, no less, the very fetching Maria, they were met by a CIA front company that gave them money for her to relocate to Dallas, where she wound up in the home of Ruth Payne and where she wound up in the home of Ruth Payne and her husband, who were CIA
	And Lee was down in New Orleans, where they were turning him, giving him what's called sheep dipping, giving him a fake persona, as a pro-Castro communist sympathizer, giving out leaflets, staging events to get on TV and all this nonsense.
	And then Ruth Payne was in fact, they've been getting him into the book depository just weeks before the event.
	So when they changed the motorcade route, they brought the target into the kill zone and they had Lee already pre-positioned so they could frame him for the event.
	He, He may or may not have been attempting to subvert it, but he clearly fingered everything he said, including that he was a patsy while he was in custody, as turned out to be true.
	We even have the notes now from the interrogation by Will Fretz.
	Lee denied, for example, that the Backyard Photographs were him.
	They said that was his face pasted on someone else's body.
	He was completely right.
	A fellow by the name of Roscoe White, who was a Dallas cop with CIA Connections, posed for those photographs, and he was more muscular than Lee.
	So if you look at the Backyard Photographs and juxtapose with Roscoe White's body, it's a perfect fit.
	Juxtapose with Lee, It's not a fit at all because he was much smaller proportionately.
	So everything Lee said about it was true.
	I did an article with Jim Mars about the Backyard Photographs and we both concluded it had been Roscoe White who had an odd bump on his right wrist from a bone that didn't heal properly and you see that on the figure in the Backyard Photographs as well as on Roscoe White.
	Roscoe, by the way, was a busy beaver.
	He appears to have assassinated as many as 50 different witnesses from Dealey Plaza.
	Holy cow.
	And, you know, the reason why we still have these things going on today is because no one was ever held accountable for that day.
	Most of them, well, all of them, I'm sure, have passed on since.
	Everybody who was involved.
	Yeah, I started to explain, by the way, that the records that Trump did get released Show that the whole visit to Mexico City was contrived.
	Larry is born in Puerto Rico, knows about Spanish and English, of course, and he's become absolutely brilliant, a cutting edge researcher of the assassination of JFK.
	I highly recommend his book, The Four Horsemen, which you can find at moonrockbooks.com.
	The Four Horsemen being the four motorcycle escort officers who confirmed the limo stop, which, of course, you cannot find in the Zapruder film.
	or the other home movies, but where Larry also established that, get this, among the CIA sets in Mexico, where three, not one, not two, three presidents of Mexico.
	No kidding.
	Yeah.
	My goodness.
	Yeah, you know, we could file that rabbit hole all day long, but there are a couple things I do want to touch on, and I do want to talk about your next book, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either.
	Jim, they fabricated humanity's greatest feat.
	Oh, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	That's probably the one rabbit hole where most Americans agree.
	Yeah, that probably didn't happen.
	I think the moon lander had the technology of an Atari 2600.
	Back then, if you were talking to somebody even overseas, there'd be a two second delay.
	Most people do understand that.
	But I mean, you're talking about the greatest feat in American history.
	Allegedly the greatest feat in the history of mankind.
	How can we trust anything this government says?
	You can't.
	You're drawing the right inference.
	You cannot.
	Any significant event.
	The government's been lying to us about moon landing, JFK, 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, the rest, right up to today where they're making hay over the shooting in Texas.
	The business in Buffalo was a joke.
	It's actually comical.
	Go to BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer, and check out the presentation I did where Brian Davidson, who's done the cutting-edge work on this, and I gave a presentation to Giuseppe in Scorpio.
	You can find it there.
	Giuseppe, it was a two-hour show.
	He distilled it into one hour, and it's right there.
	Brilliant work on my BitChute channel.
	So yeah, give that link for sure, George, to where they can find my BitChute channel.
	We'll do.
	We'll do.
	One of the interesting things, see, I don't necessarily think, a lot of people say, oh, well, we faked the moon landing to beat Russia.
	For me, I think it was very much a financial gain for this country because NASA, like I know today, NASA gets $60 million a day in their budget.
	$60 million a day.
	Gus Grissom famously said, how are we going to get to the moon if we can't even talk between two buildings?
	He hung the lemon on his little rocket and he was dead within, I think, 24 hours.
	You know, he burned in the fire.
	Then the investigator who was investigating Gus Grissom's death.
	I think he and his entire family were killed on the train tracks.
	So, again, us silly conspiracy theorists, what are your thoughts on that?
	You're right on top of this.
	Yeah, he had a lemon hanging on his desk.
	My understanding, by the way, is NASA is actually a branch of the CIA, so nothing would surprise me.
	Do you give them credence to anything they say even today?
	Well, we had a NASA spokesman, this was a couple of years ago, come out and say that the greatest obstacle to a manned mission to Mars was the Van Allen radiation belt, not realizing that implied that we could not have gone to the moon in 1969-70 either for the very same reason.
	So he was candidly acknowledging.
	Here's another from NASA.
	They have solicited the public for assistance with their space poop problem, that they have space diapers that are only good for, I don't know, 14 hours or something, and they want the public's assistance, but of course, you see, these trips back and forth to the Moon, they took seven or eight days, so this reveals that the entire story of the Moon landing is nothing but an enormous pile of space poop.
	Do you think the Apollo 19 incident was to garner attention back to NASA?
	Which do you mean specifically?
	The one where they were having trouble, the one they made the Tom Hanks movie about.
	Well, you know, Hollywood is all in on these deceptions.
	I believe they're paid big bucks at taxpayer expense to do all this, perpetrate all this fraud, yeah.
	The movies, you know, they're enjoyable, but they're nothing but celluloid presentations of fictional accounts.
	You're mentioned, by the way, about Gus Grissom's death.
	That clearly was the murder of three astronauts.
	They were put into a chamber with pure oxygen, and it was set up to ignite with a spark.
	This was very dirty.
	Grissom, yeah, said, you know, made many unfavorable, unflattering comments that were all extremely well-founded about this.
	There was no way we were going to the moon.
	I have high school students who've gone to the National Space Museum in Washington, D.C.
	and looked at the moon lander on display there and observe it's just made out of different colored tinfoil.
	I mean, that's ridiculous.
	This thing is just a joke.
	I mean, it's a very artificial, flimsy prop.
	No one could actually take a close-up look and believe anything we're told about the moon landing had anything to do with it.
	By the way, We've been shown photographs that were supposed to be of Earth from the Moon.
	Well, Earth has 55 times the density of the Moon.
	If you had a photograph of Earth from the Moon, it would consume the entire visual field.
	That's right.
	What you see of these photographs is an object that looks exactly like the Moon looks from Earth, where they simply Photoshopped it to make like Earth.
	I mean, it's just ridiculous.
	This is how bad it's gone.
	I mean, obvious evidence, if you know the realities of physical properties of Earth versus Moon, you wouldn't be deceived.
	But Americans are so gullible and scientifically illiterate that they'll buy almost anything the government has to sell.
	Certainly.
	And I always talk about telling pictures in these types of situations.
	If you remember the press conference of the three astronauts when they came back.
	Listen, Jim, if I was the first man in the history of the world to go to the moon, I would be doing Gatorade commercials.
	I would be doing everything.
	The press conference when they came back, it looked like they were at a funeral.
	I agree, they were totally subdued, and they also committed blunders, for example.
	They were asked about the star's visibility from the moon, and they claimed it was completely black.
	Well, the government got locked into that deception, actually.
	The moon has no atmosphere, so you wouldn't have had the twinkling that is a matter of refraction as it passed through Earth's atmosphere.
	You would have seen the heavens ablaze with billions of points of light.
	It would have been spectacular.
	So, even at this low level of a press conference, they blew it badly, but most Americans have never put two and two together.
	Agreed.
	I want to shift over to the greatest event of my generation, which affected my life a lot.
	I ended up doing four tours of Iraq and nine months in Kuwait because of September 11, 2001.
	When do you think this was originally, the actual plan itself was developed?
	In the 1980s, as I say, by Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Umert wanted to contrive a way to draw American forces into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination.
	They have a policy in Israel Let America do our dirty work for us.
	This is like the Bush family.
	They have the policy, other people's money.
	They make a fortune investing other people's money, so they're never put at risk.
	Israel does the same.
	They've abused the American military.
	None of this was to benefit America.
	This was all about Israel.
	Yeah.
	And I always tell people who doubt our narrative, for lack of a better words, just go to your favorite search engine and put in Odigo Israel 9-11.
	And there was 4,000 Jews who were notified that day to stay out of New York City, and That's right.
	That's a messenger service and it was startling.
	I even had a phone call from a little old lady in Brooklyn telling me that her rabbi had warned the members of the synagogue not to go into lower Manhattan that day.
	And she just wanted me to know, and she was very concerned about it.
	And I just explained this as part of the bigger picture.
	I wanted to reassure her that she not live the rest of her life in anxiety.
	But everybody knew what was going to happen.
	I think there was a total of one Jew who died on 9-11.
	And, you know, it's ridiculous because they had a pretty good number.
	Not even Larry Silverstein went into work that day, he and his daughter.
	Typically had breakfast every morning at Windows on the World at the top of the North Tower, but not that day.
	He claimed his wife had scheduled a dermatological exam.
	Right.
	Larry Silverstein, Silverstein Properties took control of World Trade Center into private hands for the first time just six weeks before the event, immediately fired the security firm that had handled the World Trade Center from its opening in 1970 and replaced it with an Israeli firm, renegotiated his insurance to include an anti-terrorism clause, So that when the event took place, they claimed there had been two attacks with two different planes.
	He collected double indemnity and wound up pocketing like $4.5 billion on a $114 million investment.
	I mean, it was quite a scam.
	And they already had plans for the new World Trade Center One on the drawing board at that time.
	That is so interesting.
	You know, when I go down these rabbit holes, Jim, just as you and I, like normal human beings, It's hard for me to fathom that people have no problem, they don't lose a wink of sleep saying, okay, so yeah, we're going to do this, and the buildings are going to collapse, and oh, 3,000 people, I can live with that.
	I mean, it really takes a special kind of psychopath.
	I get the feeling these folks don't lose a wink of sleep over this stuff.
	Oh, they don't.
	They're very much in control.
	The Israeli lobby is the most powerful in Washington, D.C.
	I mean, it makes NRA look like a kid's play.
	And they dominate Congress.
	They dominate the media.
	The Rothschild banking empire owns both the AP and the Reuters.
	I have a panel of 100 executives at CNN, all of whom are dual U.S.-Israeli citizens.
	I have another panel from NBC, 100 executives.
	All of whom are dual U.S.-Israeli citizens.
	I have another panel of 100 executives from the New York Times, all of whom are dual U.S.-Israeli citizens.
	And of course, Hollywood is run by Jews.
	A Hollywood columnist, himself Jewish, published a column years ago.
	Is Hollywood run by Jews?
	Of course!
	And he goes through all of the studios and explains how they were owned and controlled by Jews, with one exception, which I believe was United Artists.
	It was actually founded by actors.
	It was the sole exception.
	But he was boasting about it.
	So you get this endless stream of movies about the Holocaust, you know, Sophie's Choice.
	The reader, and one after another, and they're all fabrications.
	I've done my own research on World War II.
	In fact, that book was banned by Amazon at the request of the ADL, because the last series, the last section of the book, is disputing the official narrative of World War II by some of the best to ever write about it, including Robert Forreson,
	And if anyone wants to find more of my own, not only is that chapter in the second edition, but you can find it online under the heading, The Holocaust Narrative, Politics, Trump's Truth, where I give you in just a few pages an overview that, in my opinion, is indisputable that we've been sold a bill of goods.
	And it all appears to be because Israeli or Jewish political power is rooted in the myth of the Holocaust, and if they were to be exposed as a sham, that Western sense of guilt would be lost.
	It had no basis to begin with.
	It's all been a myth, but generated politically.
	And just to mention, by the way, Philip Zelikow, who became the executive director of the 9-11 Commission, had his area of academic specialization The creation and maintenance of public myths.
	M-Y-T-H-S.
	So he came in, and I believe Zelikow, by the way, wrote the script for 9-11.
	So who better to put in charge of the 9-11 Commission than the guy who wrote the script?
	He had a complete outline of the 9-11 Commission Report a year in advance before he shared it with any members of the staff.
	I'm telling you, it was that bad as that complete.
	The way they managed the sequence of events and access to information, it would actually tell you what really happened.
	Yeah, and backtracking to the ADL that you just mentioned, I just mentioned to Giuseppe last night, I don't think it was a coincidence that the ADL was founded, I think, September 1913.
	And then just three months later, the Federal Reserve was enacted in December of 1913.
	Yes.
	And I can't fathom That in a country like ours, that we allow people, whether it's a Chertoff or so on and so forth, to have dual allegiance in the very top cabinets of our country.
	I can't understand how we allow that to happen, Jim.
	George, the very first political speech I ever gave was on 15 April, Tax Day of 2008 on the grass outside the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
	It was a Ron Paul Freedom Rally.
	And I gave a talk that would subsequently be published under the heading 9-11 and the neocon agenda, where my principal point was that you should never allow a dual citizen to be in a policy shaping or decision making role in the American government because you cannot know that their loyalty to the other state does not outweigh their loyalty to the United States.
	My very first political speech.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	And it still surprises me to this day that people don't catch on.
	For example, going back to 9-11, who was one of the authors of PNAC?
	Robert Kagan.
	Well, who's his wife?
	Victoria Newland, right?
	So you have the husband, very much a part of 9-11, and then you have Victoria Newland.
	his wife who was responsible for the Maidan revolution and you know the collapse of Ukraine of course a lot of people think the war just started three months ago the fact is it started in 2014 absolutely yeah this is like in the case of Iran Americans think that Iran struck the first blow in 1979 when they took over the U.S.
	Embassy.
	But we struck the first blow back in 1953 when we overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and replaced him with a Western stooge, the Shah, who embarked on a reign of terror that murdered thousands upon thousands of Iranians.
	I have been to Iran.
	That is a great nation with a long history.
	They have far more integrity and seriousness about life than any American government, to my knowledge.
	And the idea of denigrating Iran is insulting and shows vast ignorance of history.
	But then that's what they do.
	The government, the U.S.
	government, plays on the ignorance of the American people to deceive us time and time again, which is why the efforts of those of us in the truth community in exposing these are so important.
	If the American people can only catch on to what really happened, they would be outraged and insulted and resolved to do something about it and set things right.
	And this is a great two-way segue because that incident in 79 into 1980, that was how the original term October Surprise was coined, correct?
	With the whole hostage situation?
	With Ronald Reagan getting his way in because they agreed to hold on to the hostages?
	Because wasn't it just a couple hours after Reagan took office they freed the hostages?
	Oh yeah, yeah, that was the agreement.
	William Casey, whom he made director of the CIA, negotiated it.
	It was an arms for a hostage deal that if they did not release hostages until after Reagan was inaugurated, they'd get this massive arms supply.
	And that's exactly how it played out.
	They knew Jimmy Carter would get a huge bump if the hostages were released.
	They guaranteed it would not happen.
	And it was Casey who, during his very first appearance before the staff in Langley, said that our disinformation program will be a success when everything the American people believe is false.
	He's been pretty successful.
	That's about where it stands today.
	I'm telling you, George, it's unbelievable that the American government is dedicated to lying to the American people about every matter of significance.
	And, of course, today that includes the 2020 election, it includes the January 6th, it includes the COVID and the pandemic, and it includes all these latest and ongoing sequence of staged shootings and other events that manipulate American public opinion.
	This is just an off-the-cuff question that came to my mind when we mentioned Reagan.
	Was he shot in 81 or 82, the assassination attempt?
	Yeah, he was actually, Hinckley, who is supposedly being the shooter, didn't actually hit him.
	It was a Secret Service agent when he was pushing Reagan into the vehicle, shot him under the armpit with a blushette that barely missed his heart.
	The whole message which Reagan got was to let George do it.
	So from after that, George Herbert Walker Bush was essentially running the American government as vice president, but in fact, acting president of the United States.
	Yeah, and that's what I had heard before as well.
	And there was also, I think Hinckley and the Bush family, there are connections in there.
	One of the Bushes was having dinner with the Hinckleys that night, that very night, no doubt to celebrate.
	Very interesting.
	One more question.
	Go ahead.
	One more question I wanted to ask you before I get into COVID real quick, because I got to let you go in about nine minutes.
	I know you have to prep for your next show.
	But where were you on September 11th, 2001, and what was your initial thoughts that day?
	Well, I was lying in bed reading the paper and drinking a cup of coffee when he got a call from our daughter then living in Bradenton, Florida, who said, turn on the TV.
	And we turned on the TV and we saw the North Tower was smoking.
	The alleged hit on the South, I think, took place while we had the TV on when the buildings We're destroyed, and we were told it was a collapse.
	I said to myself, and I had this thought so clearly, George, this is impossible, but when will I ever be in a position to do anything about it?
	Ironically, in December of 2005, I find myself in a group email thread with about a dozen experts from around the world, And it occurred to me that there might be a virtue in founding a society, a loose affiliation, to bring together all these experts.
	And I founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth.
	I invited Steve Jones to be my co-chair after David Ray Griffin declined the honor.
	He would tell me later he had no confidence that a society would make a difference, but in fact it made a huge difference.
	I wound up with hundreds of experts in four different categories.
	It took off like a rocket.
	You can find what remains of the website at 911scholars.org.
	You can also go to our discussion site at 911scholars.ning, N-I-N-G dot com, and you can find a tremendous amount of resources there, tremendous amount.
	I was subjected to a coup by Steve Jones and Kevin Ryan and others, After I began interviewing Judy Wood about alternatives to nanothermite, which they were promoting, that I knew couldn't possibly be responsible for what had happened.
	They conducted a fake poll of the membership, claiming it was by the membership administrator, but it was not.
	That they wanted to replace me.
	They wound up founding 9-11, Scholars for 9-11 Truth and Justice.
	They were wanting to diminish because I knew nanothermite couldn't cut it.
	Judy Wood's approach with directed energy was far more viable.
	I'd wind up interviewing Judy 15 different times.
	I was pioneering interaction between the computer and radio.
	So we go have everybody go to their on their computer to our website.
	We talk about various photos and studies.
	Judy falls short because she never excluded the possibility of the use of mini nukes, which in fact turns out to be how the Twin Towers were destroyed.
	There was a mini nuke in the sub-basement that destroyed the inner tube from the ground up.
	And then what we saw Was from externally.
	The building's blowing apart in every direction from the top down.
	All the floors remaining stationary, waiting their turn to be blown to kingdom come.
	In the memorable phrase of Morgan Reynolds, the building's been converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, which by the way, It's one of the signatures of the use of nuclear devices, and then when it was done, there was no stack of debris.
	Had this been any kind of collapse, all the floors would have come down at the same time.
	We know from experience with controlled demolition, there would have been 12% of the original height of 110 or 13 1⁄2 floors.
	There was nothing there.
	I had Father Frank Morales on my show twice.
	He was a first responder from St.
	Mark's Episcopal Church, and both times he affirmed Those buildings were destroyed too, or even slightly below ground level, unlike Building 7.
	Seven hours later at 520, came down in a classic controlled demolition, leaving a residue of five and a half floors.
	Even Dan Rather at the time said this looks just like the controlled demolitions of resorts and casinos we see in Las Vegas.
	He was spot on.
	And 9-11 was very much a financial event as well.
	You look at Larry Silverstein, as you said, he made $4.5 billion.
	But also, I think it was used to protect some people.
	But if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't there some Enron documents in one of those buildings?
	Oh yeah, Building 7.
	There are several major securities and exchange investigations of major firms.
	All that was destroyed, though you'd think in this digital age there had to be copies elsewhere online, but they claimed they were all destroyed, including all the Enron documents, as observed.
	And also, there was a vast gold heist there.
	Underneath of a gold vault that was left open.
	It had been looted in advance.
	You don't want to contaminate all that gold and make it radioactive for hundreds of years.
	So yeah, there are a lot of legal aspects.
	Also, massive bonds were coming due on 9-11.
	That would have been a huge deal.
	So yes, there were multiple financial dimensions to 9-11.
	And if I'm not mistaken, there was also a lot of short sells in the airline industry too.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And get this, on American and United, and the 9-11 commissioner said they tracked it down and they couldn't possibly have had anything to do with 9-11 because they tracked it back to the CIA.
	I mean, this is how naive, how naive some of these figures are.
	Yeah, the CIA knew because the CIA was in on the plan.
	Well, I meant to ask you this, I don't want to let you leave without asking you, was there a particular event that kind of led you into the truth community?
	What was your red pill?
	Oh, sure.
	Well, it was JFK without question.
	Sure.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	And you know, I was anchored out in Kaohsiung Harbor as a, at the time, a first lieutenant when the officer at the deck awakened me at 3.30 to tell me JFK had been shot.
	He came back an hour ago, awakened me again and told me they caught the guy, did it a communist.
	I thought then that was pretty fast work.
	But I, you know, I mean, he was my president and I've been so admired JFK and Bobby, perhaps even more.
	They, along with Muhammad Ali and Bill Russell, are in my pantheon of all-time greatest American heroes.
	And, you know, when I returned to the U.S., I began reading some books, one called Six Seconds in Dallas by a fellow named Josiah Thompson, who, like myself, was in philosophy, was a philosophy professor at Hanford.
	He'd been in the UDT.
	Well, here I was in the Marine Corps.
	I felt great affinities.
	There was a lot of proof of conspiracy in that book.
	In the final paragraphs, he claims none of this shows conspiracy, when he had the double-hit theory about how they'd merged the shot from behind and the shot from in front in frame 313, all outlined and schematized in his book.
	It was brilliant scientific work.
	Vincent Solandria claims to have been the first to have outed Josiah Thompson as an opt for the government, and I'm sorry to say I've been forced to agree with him.
	He had it right.
	That's incredible.
	I know you have another show to prepare for.
	You've been really kind with your time, but I will leave if you would like to say anything to the audience before you go.
	Well, sure, George.
	I think you're doing a great job.
	You're very well informed across this whole range of issues.
	What you're doing is terribly important.
	And I'm just enthralled by the idea of having Rebecca come on for a debate about Sandy Hook with you and just have me.
	I think that's sensational.
	So go forward with that, George.
	I'm all for it.
	Absolutely contradicting Rebecca's claims that I'm trying to suppress her.
	I would have her on my own show if she were willing to come on.
	I think you're going to pull this off.
	It will be a big deal.
	Thank you, George.
	Well, I look forward to that.
	You enjoy your Memorial Day weekend, sir.
	And thank you again for your time.
	And I'll have the audio and video to you by the end of the day.
	Terrific, George.
	Great work.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you, sir.
	Take care of yourself.
	Bye now.
	Well, there you go.
	The legendary, the critical thinker, writer of many books, Dr. Jim Fetzer.
	It's kind of cool.
	I've been listening to him for a long time.
	I own many of his books and to finally be able to interview him, that's really cool.
	So we'll be in touch.
	Giuseppe, I know you're listening and Rebecca, I'll send out a mass email later on today.
	We'll set up some times and we'll try to work something out.
	It'll be a very good round table.
	And that's what, that's really what Speak Free Radio is about.
	We'll bring different ideals from across the board.
	We'll come together and we'll have a good conversation and we'll learn a few things.
	I'm very excited about that as well.
	So what else?
	Oh, today from 5 to 7 p.m.
	Eastern Time, I will be on Mike Gaddy's program.
	It's been a busy, busy week for me, so you don't want to miss that.
	Again, that's 5 to 7 p.m.
	Eastern Time and his show, Dare to Think.
	Oh, why can't I remember the name of the show?
	Dare to Think Out Loud.
	Am I right?
	I want to get written up again two days in a row from management.
	But what else is on the schedule today?
	Right after me, National Bugle from 2 to 3.
	It's Friday, Senator Richie Allen.
	3 to 4, The ACH Show.
	And Dare to Think Out Loud.
	Yeah, I was right.
	5 to 7 p.m.
	with the great Mike Gaddy.
	And then 7 to 9 p.m., Giuseppe's back with The Perfect Triangle.
	Again, it was really an honor and a privilege to have Dr. Jim Fetzer on.
	Make sure you go to moonrockbooks.com if you want to check out all his great books.
	Then, of course, his BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer, 911scholars.org, and his daily blog, which is not just his writings.
	He kind of compiles other like-minded people, but it's a great resource for information.
	And don't forget, tomorrow night from 5 to 7 p.m.
	Eastern Time, that's Saturday, May 28th, We have our second listener call-in show.
	Last week was fantastic.
	It was two hours of non-stop phone calls.
	I look forward to that.
	We're giving you a platform for you to speak your mind across the nation and around the world, you know, and there's not a shortage of things to talk about.
	It seems the news cycle is simply out of control.
	And of course, with the NRA thing going on this weekend at Houston, there's going to be a lot of soundbites from that as well.
	The music should be cutting in here.
	Yep, there we go.
	So listen, everybody, have a safe Memorial Day weekend.
	Spend time with your family.
	And if you need to be in touch with me, it's TheFactHunter at Mail.com.
	And for all things Fact Hunter, it's www.TheFactHunter.com.
	Have a great weekend, everybody.
	For Dr. Fetzer, I'm George Hudson.
	Keep your head on a swivel.

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