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April 17, 2022 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL: Nick Kollerstrom on Ukraine (11 April 2022)
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Yeah.
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on A Real Deal Special with my dear friend and colleague Nick Kohlerstrom, who is an historian of science and a brilliant guy from the UK.
We're going to talk about what's going on in Ukraine.
So I'm going to get that view from across the pond as to the Ukrainian situation.
Nick, I have your slide set up.
Perhaps you'd like to give us a brief intro before we progress.
Yeah, OK, Jim.
Well, you and I focus on state fabricated terror, that is false flag terror, which is a main art form and industry of this present century, especially within Britain and US and UK.
And I would say that Ukraine is The Ukrainian army, very much trained, disciplined and equipped with arms by NATO, is losing this conflict and they're using massive fabricated terror events.
And that is being emblazoned across news headlines.
And the question is, will people believe them?
I mean, this is a very some of my fake term, some of them and others are actual massacres, which is, you know, kind of gruesome.
But I think we need to look into this as as a as a technique that is being used against Russia to to demonize Russia.
Yes, you're talking about staged, or in some cases, real massacres that are being used to demonize Russia.
They're being blamed on Russia, even though the evidence contradicts it.
The media is running with it, and it's overwhelming.
And the propaganda campaign with regard to its scope and its extent, it's just amazing.
We even have U.S.
acknowledging they're lying to the American people about Russia and Ukraine, Nick.
I mean, how bad is that?
That is so amazing, isn't it?
NBC News admits that U.S.
intel is being fabricated.
I mean, why would anyone listen to it once they admit that?
And Britain has been, we've looked at the terrific sequence, awesome sequence of state fabricated terror events in Europe, which climaxed in the year 2017.
I mean, American viewers may not be very familiar with this, but we had big British fabricated terror events, and that was then the end of it.
And then in Britain, we've got these poisoning accusations against Russia, like Skripal and then Navalny.
Terrific accusations, I think largely fabricated by British intelligence, alleging that Russia was poisoning its citizens, which is a dreadful thing to say.
I mean, you know, half a century earlier, back in the bad old days of the Soviet Union and Stalin, you know, that sort of stuff did go on.
But I don't think, well, it wasn't happening then, OK?
I mean, it may be normal, for example, in Ukraine now, the SAS has been sent in and is said to be performing assassinations.
That's something that it's trained to do and it does go on.
But I don't think, what we've seen in recent years is an attempt at moral vilification of Russia and This is the closing of a great era of hope, of peace and prosperity for Europe.
You know, you couldn't have anything more reasonable than Vladimir Putin with this oil pipeline, sorry, natural gas pipeline.
That was the world's longest pipeline, right?
And it was due to supply 100 billion cubic meters of gas a year to Europe, whole of Europe.
And, you know, a massive amount of European fuel comes from Russia.
So Europe is very dependent on Russia, and we could have had a future of peace, prosperity and harmony in Europe.
All Europe had to do was switch on the pipeline, which was ready at the beginning of this year, and also not let NATO go right up against the border of Russia.
Obviously putting missiles and training troops with American command structures on the very border of Russia has got nothing to do with anybody's peace and security.
That's pretty obvious.
I agree 100%.
Yeah, so the amazing thing was Europe had this option of peace and prosperity.
I mean, it was about to be hit by some degree of inflation because we've had two years of Covid when everyone just stayed indoors, you know, didn't really go to work and the government just printed money and that was bound to catch up with us, right?
And it is catching up with us now but, you know, I think we could have got over it.
Instead, Europe is kind of shooting itself in the foot now with sanctions which are supposed to hurt Russia.
In fact, they're going to hurt Europe far more than Russia.
This is the very weird twist to the story.
People say, Putin being a sort of judo champ, that Turkish sanctions were announced, the euro went down and then Putin He announced that all gas and oil sold in Europe would be paid in rubles.
And he also pegged the ruble to the gold, didn't he?
It's got a defined fixed value for gold.
So immediately, very, very quickly, the ruble bounces right up again.
I think in March it was, was it the strongest currency in the world or something?
It did very well.
It's totally recovered now.
And it's looking like a major world currency.
And the dollar is diminishing thereby.
In fact, the ruble or the yuan might replace the dollar as the international reserve currency with devastating effects for the United States and the quality of life of every American.
Yeah.
So I'm just pointing out this is self-inflicted harm.
If Europe could have managed to live and get by without having this Demonised enemy image that we all have to hate and fear.
I mean, that's the cheap, cheap crappy way of getting political unity of saying there's an enemy over there and we all got to join together because of this awful enemy.
Isn't it awful?
And, you know, the worst kind of politicians can secure unity by creating fear in that manner.
And that's what's happening in Europe now.
This world's longest pipeline, which Germany asked for, Germany asked for that pipeline, and Russia largely built it.
It's just lying at the bottom of the sea now, and Germany says, no, we won't switch it on.
Instead, we're going to double our military expenditure, which everyone wanted to keep down all these years, you know, because of the last war, and support Nazis in Ukraine.
Oh, great.
Yeah, that sounds like real progress, doesn't it?
I would blame Germany, if I may, blame Germany quite a lot for this disaster now unfolding in Europe.
Germany, together with France, was party to what's called the Minsk Agreement, which we'll come to, and that was the roadmap to peace that Russia proposed for Ukraine, you see.
Perhaps we'll get into that.
OK, let's have a look at the first slide now.
There's a question of what is the identity of Ukraine?
How does it belong?
And where does it belong in the world?
And what happened after the after 2014, the neo-Nazi coup arranged by, I think largely arranged by what's called a colour revolution, whereby the democratic processes are sabotaged.
And it came out that American agents spent about five billion dollars on this process.
Victoria Nuland.
Victoria Nuland is an undersecretary of state.
Totally, yeah.
Victoria Nuland.
She, you know, quoted saying, you know, fuck the EU.
And they got a neo-Nazi, far right, let's call them far right, in power.
The democratically elected leader, Ukraine, had to flee for his life.
And one of the first things they did was pass an act banning the Russian language.
And that immediately led to Crimea voting for its independence.
They realised very, very tough types, very brutal types who got in charge of the Ukrainian government and they announced independence.
OK, sorry, can we go back to the slide?
I can't quite see it.
Certainly, certainly.
Yeah, now Crimea had been independent for a hundred years, been not part of Ukraine for a hundred years, and it's been an autonomous state, so it had a very clear legal right to have a vote to rejoin Russia, which it had previously belonged to.
I would say It had a clear legal right to do that, okay, but voting with a large majority and the Russian parliament accepted the request.
It's not so evident about these little mini-states here, Luhansk and Donetsk, which you can see on this map.
Generally speaking, little bits of a country do not have the right to just vote and say no, we want to be separate, we're going to form a separate nation, goodbye.
That is Not as we're generally allowed.
And the state normally has a right to use violence to control them and make them maintain its unity.
OK, so there is the question, in what way are these independent?
OK, should we come on to the next?
Next slide.
Right.
Yes, you know, I put in this funny picture of the new President Zelensky, who was an actor with smutty dancing routines, just to show, and he said to sort of take a cane all the time, just to show it's very much a difficulty.
How does Ukraine exist?
And that's a very, very deep historical question.
It's sensitive.
Sensitive discussion about the different, almost incompatible groups that make up that country.
Here is a map of a thousand years ago, and you can see how the ancient beginning of Russia, R-U-S, Rus, developed in the 9th century around Kiev.
So what are now Belarus and Russia came from this original Rus, Kiev.
It's to do with Kiev, Kievan Rus', this original nucleus and growth of what became Russia.
So what the government in Ukraine is trying to exterminate and delegitimize, treating them as untermensch, having lesser civil rights than the rest of Ukraine, these are the ancient Slav people with the Russian culture and Russian way of life.
So that is the crux of the matter.
What happens A Russian people, traditional Slavs, are being victimised and in fact shelled.
The towns and villages are being shelled for the last eight years.
Okay, shall we go on next?
Right, just another map showing these two little mini-states.
What was called the Minsk Agreement was an agreement to keep Ukraine as one single nation but to have Luhansk and Donetsk some degree of autonomy.
A bit like Scotland is slightly autonomous within the United Kingdom and so is Wales.
So that was the Minsk Agreement.
Germany and France co-signed it together with Luhansk and Donetsk and Russia.
Germany never lifted a finger to enforce that Minsk agreement.
That's why it's so atrocious the way Europe has not acted to preserve the peace.
That was the roadmap to peace.
Now, the fact that Luhansk and Donetsk co-signed that agreement, they use that as an argument that they exist as independent states.
Okay, should we come on to the next one?
I've just put here a sequence of what's happened with these two little mini-states.
Do they have the right to exist separately?
In a way that's what the whole war is about.
The Ukraine, the Kiev government says no, no you don't, we're going to bum the hell out of you until you agree to be part of Ukraine.
And you can be part of Ukraine as inferior citizens, not having the same rights, because we don't approve of Slavs speaking Russian.
So that's the raw deal they're being offered.
So first of all, they co-sign the Minsk agreements, okay?
Then what they have to put up with for eight years is this effectively treating them, cutting them off.
No electricity, water, gas or finance, no pensions, no social security for eight years.
That's my understanding and I only get this from watching Russia Today.
The British media, I don't know about yours, but British media do not tell you any of this stuff.
That's what life is actually like for people there and the only thing they get from the central government is bombs.
They get shells and the cities are shattered and broken and most of the people who can afford to leave do so.
So Russia Russia is in an anguished condition.
I mean, some people say they should have, years ago, let these two little mini-states become part of the Russian Federation, just like Crimea.
But, you know, their claim isn't quite so good as Crimea.
And also, Putin kept hoping that somebody in Europe would take notice of the Minsk Agreement and try to implement it.
That's in order to hold it all together.
So that didn't happen.
There's no no effort to enforce that agreement.
And so we come to the catastrophic moment, which revolves around the date.
Everyone thinks numbers are important.
22 to 22.
Right.
That's just around that date, Russia recognizes their independence.
And also that the intense shelling, thousands of shells a day, enormously increases just around that time.
Now, I don't know if you remember, but throughout December and January, the Empire was continually predicting that Russia was going to invade Ukraine.
I don't know if you remember that.
And people were puzzled.
You know, Lavrov obviously didn't know of any such plan.
Buffs didn't know anything about a plan to invade and they thought it was all rather strange.
But those categorical statements we had from our Prime Minister and most European politicians, Russia is going, is planning to invade Ukraine.
So suddenly, it happened the 17th of February, a massive increase in bombardment Of the eastern part, and America had given three billion dollars in what it called non-lethal aid to Ukraine.
Can you believe it?
Non-lethal, sorry, lethal aid.
In lethal aid to Ukraine, three billion dollars.
That's an amazing, extraordinary thing to do.
Amazingly destructive.
And so the shelling got far worse because they got more terrible weapons and there was a mass exodus was beginning.
into Russia, and as soon as Russia recognised those two, they had a million Ukrainians requesting to leave the country and become Russian citizens.
So Russia felt that was what pulled Russia into this fray, that massive increment of shelling, and so therefore Russia finally recognised their independence, and as soon as they're recognised, Those many states responded by inviting Russian troops into them.
So the Russians were invited into Ukraine by those two mini-states.
that's the historical sequence which i feel is quite important um okay yep um right okay should we go next right so here's a look back at the amazing ancient history of this part of the world calzeria um That's where the Jews came from.
I think they're finally realising this.
They didn't actually come from Israel.
Modern European Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, not from Israel at all.
They're from Causaria.
And this empire Didn't it end about 9th or 10th century?
So there's very deep stories about Russia having begun around here, and then the Khazarian Empire, which may have been earlier.
which I don't know about it, but I think that if one wants to resolve the Ukrainian issue, you'd have to look at this ancient history, you know.
Okay, next.
Right, then there's another, this is a deeply traumatic episode in the 1930s.
A mass extermination of farmers in Ukraine, and this map here shows the worst hit, and it says somewhere around about four million, it's not known, but it's something to do with Stalin.
Stalin did something, blamed the Jews for it, Jews are in charge, Soviet Union, and whatever it was, they have got deep trauma memories and I guess, I would guess, a lot of the hatred of Russia comes from those deep trauma memories.
So, I would think that one has to be sensitive to what's going on here and try and resolve things.
The western part of Ukraine is more Polish, so a different type of culture.
Okay, next.
Right, so just looking again at this comedian president we've got, who was elected and partly shows the way traditions of government were not really working in Ukraine.
They're very confused about Who they want.
And so they elected this smutty comedian clown type as the president.
And he's very much a puppet of the people who are controlling him.
OK.
Right.
OK, let's remember now what Europe is saying goodbye to.
The idea of a Europe as a continent of lasting peace, civilised values and prosperity.
Based on respect for different cultures and culture exchange, the US-UK can hardly imagine being governed without having an enemy.
That is, I think, very much the crux of the matter.
It always has to be demonising somebody.
And in the latter part of the 20th century, it started to be the Russians.
And we thought that had all finished.
We thought the Iron Curtain was gone.
We thought We've got a new enemy.
It was the Muslims.
And isn't that enough, you know?
The Cold War was over.
Yeah.
Cold War was over.
It ended in 1990.
And we all thought it was finished.
And Putin certainly had hoped that.
So if I might just quote what he said.
Speaking German, I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and the so-called civilized world, so it's hard for me to view NATO as an enemy.
And he attempted to found something called the Common European Home Ideology, which of course failed.
It was made to fail, because the one thing NATO cannot endure is the idea of friendship between Germany and Russia.
It's important to emphasize that NATO exists primarily to stop friendship developing between Germany and Russia.
These two mighty nations, both been heavily demonized by the US, UK.
If that pipeline was switched on and they started to develop friendship, that would be regarded as a complete disaster by NATO.
In fact, NATO would no longer have a purpose.
It would dissolve itself.
And that's what I was hoping, obviously.
I was hoping that pipeline would be switched on and that would lead to NATO disintegrating.
But no, no, no.
Right.
So Putin here warns darkly, this is called the Davos Forum, which is very much concerned with, you know, promoting, you know, injections and the globalization and so on.
But Putin was Rather out of step with that, he wasn't really interested in that.
He warned about a possible global conflict, similar to the Second World War.
Quote, humanity is at risk of losing its entire civilizational and cultural continents.
Our common responsibility today is to avoid such a prospect, which looks like a gloomy dystopia, and to assure development along a different, positive, harmonious and constructive trajectory.
So that is obviously being undermined by American missiles being put in.
They're being put now in Poland, in Romania, I think also in Germany.
It's so very obvious, Nick, that Putin had a vision for peace and harmony among the nations of Europe and Russia, and that NATO was opposed because the military-industrial complex will lose all of its sales of expensive military equipment if there aren't tensions between the nations, and especially
The threat posed by the Nord Stream 2 pipeline you mentioned in your introductory remarks, which are going to cement commercial, friendly, cordial relations between Germany and Russia, which must be halted at all costs by NATO and the military-industrial complex, lest it lose its massive source of profits.
Yeah, yeah.
And let me just point out, for 30 years, Europe could forget about nuclear war because There's something called the INF Treaty.
Intermediate nuclear forces were removed.
Currently, all loads of horrible cruise missiles and stuff were removed from Europe.
And Europe no longer had missiles targeted at Russia.
So Russia was no longer targeting Europe, therefore.
And we basically have been able to forget about nuclear war for 30 years.
So that treaty was allowed to expire in 2019.
And the Russians were extremely concerned about this expiry.
They were begging, trying to get some renewal and extension of the treaty.
But basically, I don't think European politicians or America are interested in such treaties now.
They've got more, they don't quite have diplomats into developing sort of treaties like that.
And they're more into macho language and confrontation and so forth and accusations.
That's the way it's degenerating.
So let's now listen to this.
This is the last time optimism was expressed by Putin.
This is January 2021.
This is one year before the war began.
He said he reaffirmed his optimistic vision of a Europe as a culture at peace with itself.
If we can rise above these problems of the past and get rid of these phobias, then we will certainly enjoy a positive stage in our relations.
We are ready for this.
We want this.
And we will strive to make this happen.
But love is impossible if it is declared only by one side.
It must be mutual.
So there we go.
He was saying, can Europe get rid of its phobias?
Well, no, it can't.
It's plagued by these demons.
And it has to be told who to hate.
And so it's now created, this war in Ukraine.
And what happens, it's the hidden hand that actually starts the war, we saw by this terrific bombardment of the East.
And the politicians then pretend not to know anything about it.
Oh, Russia's out of the blue.
Russia's just attacked poor Ukraine.
And why has it done that?
Because Russia's evil.
Oh, it's evil, yeah.
And so there isn't a coherent view of what...
European bodies don't realise how they have themselves set up the war situation.
Yeah, okay, next.
Right.
Well, as we've just discussed, there was this great vision of peace and harmony, and it was actually built and finished at the end of this year.
Britain and America were both, just as the completion date was announced, both Britain and America were instructing Germany not to switch it on.
Can you believe it?
I mean, what business was it of theirs?
Unbelievable, but it's really that pressure from the military-industrial complex not wanting to lose its market in Europe.
It amazes me that European politicians don't have a bit more guts or ability to determine their own policy.
If they've been to this enormous trouble, and this is so important for Stable fuel prices in Europe.
I mean, everything depends on this.
If it loses its natural gas, Germany's got rid of its nuclear power stations, it's closed down its coal mines, and it's had a pipe dream about green energy that won't really supply much.
So Germany's going to be the worst hit among the nations of Europe by this closure, these sanctions.
As far as I can see, America will greatly benefit from all this.
America will sell arms to Europe.
Europe's convinced it needs much more weapons.
And it will sell its liquid natural gas and fracking stuff to Europe, won't it?
So I would expect America benefits from all this.
It's quite clever.
Europe is the loser.
Except, of course, Biden has shut down gas and oil production in the United States, too, and taken us from energy independence under Trump to energy dependent on foreign sources once again to the calamity of American security.
This is part and parcel of a deliberate effort to destroy America being conducted by the Biden administration against the American people, Nick.
It's just mind-boggling.
It's very odd, isn't it?
Yes, it's very odd.
Okay, now I think we'd better come on to some detail, I'd like to go through, of these fabricated terror events, of what has actually happened.
Okay, here's one more, a general statement about Donbass.
Donbass is the term for that general eastern part of Ukraine which Slavs, Russian Slavs, are living in.
As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening here.
It became impossible to tolerate it.
We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and depend their hopes on Russia, on all of us.
It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivation force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass People's Republic.
Should we wait for this abuse of people to continue?
This genocide of the almost four million people who live in those territories?
It is unbearable to watch.
You can see for yourself what is going on there.
Well, how can you continue to put up with that?
So that's a kind of heart-rending statement.
And by the way, The amazing thing is you only says you can see for yourself.
You only see that for yourself on RT, Russian television.
I don't know if you can get that in America.
I mean, I can still get it here.
It's been knocked off the main airwaves.
But to an extraordinary degree, this is not reported in any of the Western media.
Yes.
And I find that staggering.
Right, here is just a graph, a useful graph, showing how the war began.
This is a reliable source, OSCE, Ordnance and Security in Europe, and it's just a chart of each day in middle of February, how many explosions happened in the Donbass region.
And you can see from the 17th of February, it climbs right up to above a thousand per day.
Now, I mean, that's an amazing amount.
And did you read that in the newspapers?
No, no, we didn't.
No.
You just get out of the blue, nasty Russia decides to invade.
Well, it had to do something to stop this, didn't it?
So, this graph really shows the beginning of the Ukrainian conflict.
It shows who started the war, I suggest.
Right.
Okay.
Right, well, lastly, let's now go through, if I may, Mariupol.
That has one of the largest iron and steelworks in Europe, called Azovstal there, and so it's very critically important.
It's on the coast, the Sea of Azov, I don't know if you remember that, past the northern part of the Black Sea, It's very crucial that the regions that now want to become joined to Russia are against that sea, the Sea of Azov, and so Ukraine would lose a whole lot of maritime connection if that happens.
There were two big atrocity reports here and I recommend a website called thegrayzone.com.
G-R-A-Y-Z-O-N-E for analysis of these events that actually didn't happen.
So the military hospital there, sorry, maternity hospital there on the 9th of March probably was not targeted.
Then a report of 300 people killed on the 16th of March in a theatre.
That seems not to have happened.
That's my information.
And that is where the Azov battalion was stationed and the region around it.
And they were being held in.
I think they couldn't escape from the Russian.
The Russians were all around them.
And they staged this report of an atrocity that happened in this theatre.
So as far as I can tell, I don't know if you've got any comment.
These two atrocities didn't happen.
These were reported events which doubt is cast when they happen.
Okay, now we come to the big one.
A real, absolutely real massacre.
A horrendous massacre of something like 300 people.
following the party himself, 300 people.
And this is, so let me quote Nick Griffin, British politician, former politician.
The Buchan massacre has now become the driving force for the propaganda push, but even more NATO involvement in the conflict in Ukraine.
Yet the claim that this is a Russian war crime is so patently false that a rational observer can only be left astounded by the combination of barefaced nerve and slapdashing confidence displayed by the media outlets and politicians pushing this disgusting smear.
It helps if we go through the sequence of what happened here.
On the 30th of March, the Russians had occupied this little town.
It's a little town northwest of Kiev, the capital.
The Russians pulled out on the 30th of March.
Russian troops left.
On the 31st of March, the mayor of Ukraine, The Ukrainian police started coming in on the 31st and then soon, I think the 1st of April, the mayor of Butcher announced that he was in full control of the town and he made a speech and he gave no hint of any mass killings by the Russians or any massacre and appalling images.
Civilians shot dead with hands tied behind their backs.
He gave no hint of that.
That was the mayor of this town, Butcher.
In the first.
Then, four days after the Russians had left, on the second, a videotape appeared showing loads of dead bodies, hundreds of dead bodies, lying around the streets.
And they were obviously laid out in a pattern, the way the bodies were put out on the streets.
So it's quite evident that They were not there when the Russians were occupying Butcher and were put out afterwards.
They're trying to claim that the bodies were there for ages.
They were just left out there for ages.
They were there when the Russians were in that town.
But the point is that the bodies are not rotting at all.
There's no decomposition seen by the bodies.
You're absolutely right, Nick.
They claimed they'd been there for three weeks, then they changed the date around.
It was supposed to have happened when the Russians were there.
It only happened after the Russians had departed.
It's obvious the Azov thugs were shooting anyone who was wearing a white armband, who appeared to be sympathetic to Russia, who had received these food packages from Russia.
I mean, it's idiotic to suppose Russia intervened to protect the people.
Would give them all the food and humanitarian aid and then would slaughter them upon departure.
It's just absurd.
Just absurd.
That's what the mainstream media would like us to believe.
It's all complete bullshit.
Complete bullshit, it is.
How can anyone believe that story?
I mean, food banks, there were trains, Russian food supply chains coming in.
I mean, you didn't hear about that on the news, did you?
Food supply Carrying boxes of food.
Sorry, we just lost the picture.
Can we go back?
Yeah, we can go back, Nick.
I just wanted to hear you talking about it.
Oh, right.
Food packages.
And so some of these people seen lying in the streets, they've got food packages, Russian food packages, right next to them.
And I mean, the British prime minister, who I would say is a natural born liar, as much as you're ever going to come across.
He said this killing spree doesn't look far short of genocide.
And by the way, he's just been to Ukraine now and the papers are repeating that those phrases doesn't look far short of genocide.
And the question is, if this is such an incredibly primitive fabricated terror events, sorry, false flag events, Can they get away with it?
Are people going to see through this?
That is very much the question.
I feel the informational war is, in a sense, just as important as the actual war that's going on in that country.
This is the largest Death count in a false flag event since 9-11, okay?
You're 300.
So there's a very, very big question.
Who killed 300 people?
That has far-reaching significance.
The answer is very obvious.
The Azov battalion murdered 300 people and blamed it on Russia, but the Russians had already departed the scene and they had no motive, no opportunity.
They may have had the weapons to do it, but clearly the Azov battalion had all three.
Motive means an opportunity.
They were responsible and they sought to turn it into a propaganda bonanza.
Yeah, I mean, the Russians Analysts have examined the way Russia's been quite slow in this whole military campaign because they've been very, very scrupulous in not killing civilians, avoiding civilian deaths.
They're not trying to conquer the country.
That is not their aim.
And let me just read one analyst.
about what the Russians did while they were in Butcher.
Russian troops who spent a month stationed in that town affirmed that not a single Ukrainian civilian was harmed the whole time they were there.
Keep in mind that Russian troops are under the strictest order not to harm any Ukrainian civilians or captured Ukrainian troops.
Russians have even arrested and captured many members of Nazi battalions.
Even these have been treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.
So the Russians are respecting international law and they're not torturing or exterminating captured prisoners of war, as the Azov battalions obviously are.
We've all seen loads of pictures of the Azov battalions torturing Russian soldiers captive, shooting them in the leg, shooting them anyhow, and civilians tied up against trees and stuff with their pants taken down.
We've all seen the way that Azov is totally brutal way that the Azov battalions work.
And I'm just rather I'm wondering, are the media really that dense that they're going to go with this story or will they expose it?
Well, Nick, you know, as Henry Kissinger observed, the facts don't matter, only the perception.
So they'll create a false perception by propaganda and then they'll act as though it were true.
And claim to be justified therein, and those who are no better but are not in a position to do anything about it are left feeling very helpless, where knowledge, you know, does not bring happiness.
Knowledge reveals a deception, but not being in a position to do anything about it.
That's the quandary we're here in the United States.
We know the Biden administration is actively destroying America.
But how do we do something about it?
The endless flood of migrants.
Millions coming in, Nick, is going to change the demographics of the United States forever.
Permanently.
And it's being done deliberately and by design.
Well, nonetheless, let's try to keep some hope.
For example, I remember Sandy Hook.
Didn't Alex Jones make a lot of progress in casting doubt on what had happened?
He eventually had to backtrack, his arm was twisted, and he had to say, oh no, I didn't mean it, no, no.
But I mean, I'll just give that as an example, that Alex Jones did cast quite a lot of doubt on that event.
I mean, might not someone like him cast doubt on this atrocity narrative?
Oh, I think there's a lot of doubt being cast.
And in the United States, a single best source, I think, is actually Tucker Carlson, among all the commentators.
Totally, yeah.
But the mainstream media are bought and sold by the deep state, Nick, no doubt about it.
Right, right.
OK, well, one analyst compared this butcher story with the MH17 shoot down as a As a fabricated event, I'd probably stay fabricated.
I mean, we don't absolutely know.
It may just be as if people did this their own accord.
But I suspect the overall orchestration of it and the selling of the events Especially, I know it's the British newspaper, the Daily Mirror, on the 2nd of April it had the headline genocide and that was pretty well the day that the Mayor of Butcher, sorry not the Mayor, that the atrocity video was released.
So that whole thing has to be prepared, be pre-prepared.
So I'm suggesting this is state-fabricated terror as well as being false flag.
False flag is where the blame is cast on an innocent party and this is that.
So I think it's important to follow the track of the way false flags are used in Europe, and this is a new example of it.
We've got one other example we're coming on to, this railway station on the April the 8th, and I was just, they're losing the war and As well as losing the war, Russia has discovered an appalling load of biological warfare laboratories all across Ukraine, clearly funded by America and to do with Hunter Biden's laptop.
And they also wanted to knock that off the front pages, didn't they?
Yeah.
- That was, okay.
OK.
Right, let's... - This one is almost a joke, you know, painted on the side, it says, "For the children." Yeah, yeah.
It's not even a Russian missile, it's an Iranian missile.
I mean, how dumb are we supposed to be, Nick?
Yeah, well, they initially announced it was a Russian Iskander missile when they, this is a dreadful, this is real death, 50 real deaths in a railway station at the Donetsk People's Republic on the 8th of April, Kramatorsk.
So this is an appalling act to do, of launching a weapon to kill 50 civilians in a railway station.
Totally appalling.
Now, can they just get away?
And this is the part of Ukraine that Russia has moved in, in order to protect.
Yes.
The whole active action of Russia, of committee itself and all its troops and massive international vilification, is in order to protect this part of East Ukraine.
Now, how likely is it that they would, I mean, can you even imagine they would fire a missile into a crowded part of a railway station?
It's too, again, it's too absurd for words.
It takes a very sadistic mentality, a very evil plot to perpetrate something like this, but that's clearly consistent with the Azov battalion and the Nazis who are running Ukraine today.
It is, yeah.
You can see where the missile was fired from.
It was fired from a part held by the Azov people.
They initially announced that it was a Russian Iskander missile.
This missile, when it was shown, it's called a Tochka-U missile.
It's very old.
There's no way Russia would use an old missile like this.
Or Russia and the DPR do not have this missile.
That's very simple.
They just don't have it.
So it's surprising and puzzling that whoever's putting out these stories can even think that they can get away with it.
And it must show that... I guess the idea is you can get away with it if You've got a very heavily demonized enemy.
If your population is intensely hating the enemy, then maybe you can get away with saying just about anything.
I suppose that's the mentality.
I'm sorry to say, I think we had this slide out of order.
This is on the Bukov false flag horror.
You may want to comment on this, by the way.
All right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Parallel to the largest false flag since 9-11.
Yeah, I think that's important.
It's absolutely massive in terms of deaths, largely since 9-11.
The stakes are very high.
When that many people are killed, total massacre, cold-blooded massacre.
When that many people are killed, the stakes are very high.
Who gets the blame?
And the whole knack of Salt Lag Terror is that you cast the blame onto an innocent party.
Will that blame stick?
Can you do it?
You must be confident you can do it.
So, let's have a look at this.
You can see the bodies have obviously been laid out in a kind of, you know, strategic way.
Too much of a systematic pattern there, Nick.
That's pretty odd.
Yeah, systematic pattern.
These bodies are not russio-decomposed and nobody saw them before the 2nd of April and Russians.
So, you can see, this just goes through the sequence which I've already Described which I think fairly clear and it is all pre-planned of British newspapers splashing headline genocide across the front page on the 2nd of April.
By the way I don't think that is genocide.
I think that if you kill It is a mass murder event, but it's not attempting as such to wipe out a culture.
It's important we take care of the meaning of this term.
What's happening in the East is genocide.
It's an attempt to eradicate an ancient culture, the Russ culture, the Slavs, Russian-speaking culture, that's been there for a thousand years.
It used to have loads of glorious ancient monuments.
Glorious Russian art used to be there in eastern Ukraine.
It's all gone now.
That is genocide.
It's an attempt to eradicate a culture.
Whereas what's happening in other parts of this war is not genocide.
It's important that we try to use this word correctly, I suggest.
So 300 civilians killed in Butcher is terrible.
But it doesn't imply the use of that word, right?
About two million people flee from Ukraine, probably because of the government's own atrocity stories.
And again, that is dire, but it's not genocide, I suggest.
Well, Nick, I think this has been a very useful review of the situation in Ukraine.
2014 was a turning point when Victoria Nuland executed the coup, It's rather parallel to Iran, you know, Nick.
Most Americans think that in 1979, when there was a popular uprising to regain control of the Iranian government, that that was a first blow, ignoring the fact that Kermit Roosevelt had executed a coup back in 1953 to depose a democratic elected government of Iran and install the Shah as a Western puppet.
So similarly to Ukraine, they ignore the fact that we already struck the first blow by deposing the democratically elected president of Ukraine, who had to flee for his life, and installing a Western puppet.
And Zelensky is simply the latest incarnation, where he's an actor, he's a very strange dude, he wears women's clothes.
I can't say enough about the guy as being an example of decadence, Western decadence.
That's what he is.
And the idea that he's being held up as a hero to the West is simply mind numbing.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you, I find it strange, Jim.
All my life I've campaigned against war, you know, and I've always said, no, the war isn't justified.
There's other options and so on.
And debate and discussion is better than war.
And so I'm kind of surprised now I find myself approving of what Russia is doing, this conflict.
I'm with you.
I'm 100% on Russia's side.
They were fully justified.
This was a just intervention.
Putin laid it all out in his magisterial speech on February 24th, referring to, characterizing the West as an empire of lies.
He's got it right.
We've only doubled down, Nick.
Our lies are exponentially increasing.
It's just a shock to anyone who believed there was reason and decency in the West.
There is no reason and no decency remaining, not a shred.
Yeah, it's a very strange turnaround, very strange.
The West, European organisations seem to sort of be powered by NATO, controlled by NATO.
And NATO has completely forgotten its founding principles, which was a defensive alliance that didn't act outside its own borders, you know.
And NATO is engaged in terrible wars of destruction.
And it's obviously threatening Russia.
NATO's got a totally defined enemy image, which is what holds it together.
It's the only thing that holds NATO together, this claim of Russia being a big threat.
And this is wrecking the security of Europe.
It's not promoting the security of Europe at all.
And I mean, up until a few years ago, the people of this country did not see Russia as a threat.
Surveys showed that we wanted friendship and goodwill with Russia and didn't Didn't fear it.
And the politicians have just turned that around now.
And anyway, it seems to me, if I don't tell, Russia is winning this war, and there's going to be a crunch moment in the next week or so, as the the Azov battalions on the border of Donetsk, they're totally encircling what Russia, what is called a cauldron, a Russian cauldron, and they're going to be totally pulverised.
I don't think that NATO supplying weapons is quite going to rescue them.
And they deserve, they deserve their fate, Nick.
There's no question about it.
Russia is on the side of truth and justice and human decency.
Right, yeah, right, yeah.
And the Ukrainian Resolve Battalion are the opposite.
They deserve the fate they are going to endure in short order.
And I thank you, my friend, for a marvelous overview of what's going on in Ukraine, and I look forward to updates as matters proceed.
OK, Jim, great.
Yeah, I think that's a.
It's important for us.
You and I are not geopolitical commentators as such, but it's terribly important we follow the thread of state-fabricated terror and the nature of the deception, as we've done over the years.
And so, yeah, I'm glad we did that, Jim.
Let me just mention your book on Chronicles of False Flag Terror, where you inventory 13 different events in Europe in great detail.
I salute you, my friend.
You're doing such wonderful work on this and many other scores.
Yeah.
Okay, Jim.
Talk to you soon, then.
Thank you, Nick.
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on A Real Deal, with a special report from Nick Kohlerstrom about the situation in Ukraine.
We look forward to featuring Nick again in the near future with any updates.
Thank you for joining us today.
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