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Merritt Medical Hour with Dr. Tom Cowan Feb 02, 2022
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- Hey, good evening.
This is Dr. Lee Merritt, and I appreciate all you independent thinkers being here tonight.
This is the show where we try to make medicine great again by sorting through the lies we've accepted about health and wellness for generations.
And usually I read the seven things I think are causing disease.
Given my guest tonight, I might not do that.
I'm really honored to have Dr. Thomas Cowan.
I'll read it to him when he's on and we'll see if he agrees with me.
But there's some things, the thing that's prominently missing from my list are viruses, but tonight I'm really excited to have Dr. Cowan on, and many of you know him and his work, but he's got a new book called Breaking the Spell, The Scientific Evidence for Ending the COVID Delusion.
So we're really interested, and thank you for coming on, and we're really interested in hearing about this.
Yeah, we've crossed paths at the South Dakota meeting.
Yeah, and call me Tom, that's better than the old way.
Okay.
Alrighty, well we're going to have to take a little break here and then we will come back and we're going to start with, I'll let you talk because I want to hear what you have to say about how we end this delusion and other things.
Thank you.
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So, these are the seven things I always say that I think cause disease, but I think they might be modified.
So, I'm going to talk about this with Dr. Cowan.
So, I always say it's poisons, bacterial toxins, radiation, ionizing and non-ionizing, bioweapons, parasites, nutritional deficiencies, and psychological stressors.
Now, I think you have your own list, but first of all, welcome, and maybe you can say a few words about how you got here and what you're doing.
How I got here?
Yeah, we all got here differently.
I got here through anti-aging medicine, I think, and then this mess.
Yeah.
I mean, my story, I don't know if it's interesting or not, but basically I grew up with the idea that I was going to be a doctor.
But I didn't like it.
All my parents' friends were doctors.
Some even fairly famous ones, like the guy who invented the laser for gynecology.
He was a good friend of ours.
And another guy who got ended up thrown in jail for Medicare fraud and all the rest of it.
But I didn't like it.
I thought they were full of it.
And I don't know why.
I didn't really know why.
And so I decided to try to do anything I could to not be a doctor.
So I joined the Peace Corps to teach gardening in Swaziland.
And lo and behold, I was given a book by Weston Price about food and some books by Steiner about medicine.
And it hit me that the kind of doctor I didn't want to be was not the only kind of doctor there was.
This is 45 years ago.
And so I decided I could go to medical school because literally every day since then, or almost every day, I have read or thought about or been interested in something to do with health.
Because it turned out I did have a kind of destiny connection.
I went to medical school, you know, and and just.
Just to get the degree and then I set out on my own.
Worked as an ER doctor for a while just to make money, but.
You know, I've been at this for 42 years in my my my guiding principle was.
Don't believe anything because everybody else does right now.
I've been there too, and you know, I when people say to me what's the most important thing in in in figuring all this out?
I think what I came to was.
I decided, you can say this a lot of ways, that I'm not going to have a dog in this fight about what's right.
If there's viruses, there's viruses that cause disease.
If there's not, there's not.
Like, what difference does it make to me?
You know, if we're made of cells and physical stuff only, then fine.
If there's some sort of energetic electromagnetic field, Like, why would I care what reality is?
So if you go into it like that, which is what I committed myself, no matter what it was, no matter how many people didn't agree or did agree or any of that, I was just going to try to figure it out for myself.
And if you do that, you'll be amazed at what you find out.
And if you don't do that, you end up learning nothing.
Well, and I think when we went to medical school, we didn't really appreciate the fact that there's big money riding on one side of the fence or the other.
It may not matter to us whether there are viruses or not.
We just want to know the truth.
But it does matter if you're selling vaccines to viruses, that kind of thing.
Yeah.
I think that's the problem is that we're facing that big cabal now.
I mean, yeah, but it's it's it's In some ways, it is about money.
In some ways, I've actually, in my heart book, I wrote about how the money works, because the money system is itself based on make-believe.
But it's not only about money.
I don't even think that's the big thing.
It's about how we see life.
That's bigger than money.
A determination, like I remember in medical school, they were adamant that there's nothing else but physical matter, right?
And I remember asking a heart surgeon, you know, so do you love your wife?
He said, yes.
I said, how much?
He said, with all my heart.
And then he said, there's only physical stuff.
And I said, if you, if I cut your heart open, would I find love in there?
No.
Well, how come you just told me that if there isn't physical stuff, it doesn't exist?
I mean, you just told me it's not there.
So they're sort of confused.
Because if you think like that, you end up putting yourself in a box that makes no sense.
And that's virology.
They put themselves in a box that makes no sense.
And it's easy to describe it.
I mean, if you want me to, I can.
Yes, please.
You know, the way to think of this for people who maybe haven't heard this, and I can sort of use you, Lee, as a foil here.
If you have a house, right?
People have houses, they have wooden stuff on their house or on the outside, and the wood was rotting at the bottom.
And you say, I wonder if there's termites eating my house, right?
Because you've heard that's possible.
So you go and look and you don't see any termites.
And then you call a termite company and they look and they don't see any termites.
And then you call 150 worldwide famous termite companies and they all look with microscopes and whatever.
None of them see termites.
Do you still think termites are eating your house?
Now, if one of them said, I have a way of proving that actually there are termites.
So I can take some of your wood, grind it up in a blender, put it in a big vat, put some termite eggs in there, and termite growth powder.
And in a few days, the termites will hatch.
And then that proves that your house had termites.
You would say, this guy's a lunatic!
Because that's nonsense.
And yet, if you look, and so you say, what did I write the book about?
I wrote the book because here's the fact, which every virologist agrees to, and I can even explain that a little bit.
There is not one published scientific paper where Any particle that you could call a virus and remember a virus is a thing.
It's a particle.
We can sort of see it under an electron microscope, even though that's problematic, but so this thing they tell us.
There's not one published paper in the scientific literature finding this thing in any biological fluid of any sick human or animal.
Anywhere.
And everybody agrees.
All the virologists agree.
They say that's not how you find a virus.
We have 150 institutions, the NIH, the CDC, etc.
We ask them, can you show us a paper finding this particle in any fluid of any sick person?
And they say, we don't have such a paper.
They claim they cannot find the virus in any fluid.
Now, even though they say there's a reason for that, because that's not how they do it.
But just think back to the termites.
There are no termites there.
There's no virus.
Even though they say you have to grow it in a culture.
Now here's the first question.
Since the viral theory is, I breathe in this virus, it uses my lungs as a culture, right?
And so then it grows, and then it's teeming with viruses that get spewed out in the world.
Why can't you find it in your lungs?
It's a culture.
Oh, your point is, if you do a direct electron microscopy of the fluid, you won't see this.
Never!
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I see.
Never!
Not once!
We asked a guy who is 20 years, you know, senior virologist at Wuhan Institute of Virology, 20 years head of Yale Virology Laboratory.
Can you find SARS-CoV-2 in any fluid of any person you say has COVID?
He said no.
Why not?
Because there's not enough virus to find.
Okay, we asked him, what about if you put 10 people with supposed COVID and you mix their bronchial fluid together, is there enough?
No.
100 people?
No.
1,000 people?
No, not enough to see.
10,000 people?
You mix their fluid together, would you then have enough virus to see?
And he said no, and then he wouldn't answer anymore.
But he claims what we see on the EM, on the electron microscopy slides, Are in fact virus particles.
The little bleb things.
What he says is you have to culture them.
Right, but you can't see that.
So if you don't put them through that rigorous, you know, terrible amphotericin and all that to get these things, they don't show on a standard cell just put through without culture.
See, I think what's happening is you're confusing people.
Just stick with the program.
There is no virus to see in your lungs or in your snot.
Not anywhere.
So just like the termites.
So what do you do?
You take the snot and you don't purify it.
You don't fight anything.
You mix that with fetal calf serum, right?
And then you spread it on monkey kidney cells.
And then you take away the nutrients and then you add amphotericin, which is a kidney poison, and genomicin, which is a kidney's poison.
And then what happens?
The kidney cells break down into millions of particles.
And they say that proves the virus exists.
Yeah, OK.
Now think about that.
That's exactly, I took wood, I didn't find any termites, I put it in termite egg solution, and then I made it grow, and then I found termites.
Now we, and I could show you this if you want, but it's in the book, we did the experiment again.
So we took, we started with nothing from any sick person.
We took the monkey kidney cells, right?
We added fetal calf serum, just like same amount they do, took away the nutrients, added amphotericin, and you know what happened?
It broke down!
And it created electron microscopy images that are indistinguishable from SARS-CoV-2.
Right.
But remember, there was no SARS-CoV-2 There was no fluid in anybody.
So that proves that the breakdown of the tissue, which is not a proof, right?
It is the proof that the virus exists and causes disease, is a fraud.
Because it's a result of the experimental process.
Now, I can read you, you know, 50 peer-reviewed studies showing, like here, I have one here, electron microscopy.
Quote, we are concerned about the erroneous identification of coronavirus directly in tissues using electron microscopy because they describe particles that resemble but do not have the appearance of coronavirus.
There's at least 50 studies saying nobody can tell the difference between Multivesicular breakdown in exosomes and debris versus this so-called virus.
Interestingly, the guy from Australia who identified it first, and I can practically quote it off the top of my head, said, well, we did this culture and we found these particles, but they didn't look like coronavirus.
So we added trypsin.
Yeah.
And then it looked like a coronavirus.
Right.
And that's like, I go to my barn and I was looking for chickens and all I found was cats.
So I taped some feathers on them.
And look, there's a chicken.
This is nonsense.
Then they say they find the genome.
And I can, again, read you 20 papers.
Anytime you put fetal calf serum in there, That contaminates the specimen.
You cannot find the genome.
You don't know whether this is coming from the kidneys, from the original unpurified snot, from the fetal calf serum.
They put it all in a thing.
They put it through like a puzzle maker.
It's called alignment.
Yeah.
Create the genome which never exists in this solution.
This The reason I say the termite thing is because the people you should be skeptical of is a termite company that, by the way, sells you termite killing powder, which everybody should spray on their house.
They're the ones who say, I have a way of finding the termites.
Well, you better be real sure that every step of that process is actually scientific and controlled.
Because I can tell you it's frank nonsense.
What's amazing to me is that people buy into the fact that they show this genome.
This looks really sciencey and all that.
And it's all these, you know, bases listed like a huge 30,000 base pair genome because it's from a computer.
And they say, look, of course we've isolated it.
There's the genome.
Even I, an orthopedic surgeon, could figure out the BS there.
And they call it an in silico genome.
My favorite is in Prashant Pradhan's paper where they're showing the inserts that were put into the spike protein.
They call it the consensus genome.
That's how they label it.
It's consensus.
And for people who want to think, how does this come about?
Here's how it works.
Imagine you have a puzzle, right?
56 million puzzle pieces.
So I'm going to use you as a foil again.
And I say to you, Lee, make the correct puzzle.
Right?
Do you have any questions for me?
But we don't know the size and we don't have a picture.
You don't have a picture.
Make the puzzle.
You got any questions?
I use that same metaphor.
You can't do it.
So what do you do?
Well, first of all, they say, I'll give you a million dollars if you make the picture of the bridge.
Which bridge?
Not going to tell you.
Okay, so you say, well, give me a million dollars, I'll start looking.
So you find some struts, right?
You say, these must be part of the bridge, right?
Because we know about struts.
And then they give you a prize for finding the strut protein.
Otherwise known as the spike protein.
And then everybody makes a little bit different bridge, because there is no bridge.
So everybody has their own version, which is why we have 7 million variants.
And everybody argues like measles, they've been at this for 70 years.
And nobody has the Right genome or the right picture because you can't do it if you don't have the picture of the bridge.
If you did and you have because you have every possible nucleotide sequence to work with so you can make whatever you want.
Now once they make one, then they use that as the template to make the other ones.
So it looks like that.
Because once you make one unicorn and you say people make another unicorn, they make it sort of like the old unicorn.
Right.
The SARS-CoV-1 unicorn just happened to be about 30,000 base pairs.
So we'll look for something that's like, you know, about 30,000 base pairs and happens to look like SARS-CoV-1.
Right.
I went back and read the paper.
I couldn't believe it.
Yeah.
And then that one was made against the bat one in 1996.
And that was against the hamster one.
In 1984 and that was against the bear one in 1906 and that one was made up.
And even more sinister than that is the way that that then became a vaccine.
The drug companies then took this in silico genetic sequence from the internet that the Chinese had uploaded from one patient, and ba-boom, they overnight made a vaccine.
That's what they admit to.
That's what they say.
That's what Fauci says.
We got this within hours.
Once they uploaded the sequence, we took it and made a vaccine.
Unbelievable.
If people knew what they were being given based on one patient in this uploaded genetic sequence on the computer, it's unbelievable.
Yeah, it's complete make-believe.
Yeah.
It is just flat out, virology is, you know, because in this study that we did, we actually took this culture, right, so it broke down And then it breaks down into all these pieces, and then we did an alignment, right?
We found the genome.
You did like they did, okay.
Yeah, we did like they did, and we found SARS-CoV-2.
But we can also find any other RNA virus, as long as you put yeast RNA in there.
So you just sprinkle some yeast in there, and then you get HIV, and Ebola, and measles, and SARS-CoV-2.
Because it's partly once you start with all the RNA sequences, but also the PCR process makes de novo sequences.
They make sequences which weren't there.
The reason you know that is because if you do 10 cycles, you can only get 10% of the genome.
If you do 40 cycles, you get 98% of the genome, which means that Approximately 80% were made by the process.
I mean, this is crazy.
And we all believe it.
Well, and how many people realize the world got shut down because of this kind of fraud?
Yeah, I mean, that's that's really the sad part is we shut the world down and killed a bunch of people over this fraud.
Yeah, that is really sad.
So, your book came out when, your new book?
Just this year?
A few months ago.
Just a few months ago, yeah.
Because I really, really enjoyed your book on contagion.
Well, both of them.
I mean, the cancer and the new biology of water, too.
But contagion really opened my eyes, especially about smallpox, because even I got suckered in about that.
I thought, you know, one of the things that's true here The big lie that has to go down is that these things are airborne.
That's what makes this an anti-human agenda.
When things are airborne and we can be afraid of people just for breathing the same air, then we've got problems.
And I think that's one of the myths that really have to go down.
But yeah, those are excellent books.
And so when we come back, then we'll hit the new one.
But yeah, the smallpox, it seems like every time we think something is airborne, it turns out to be spread, whatever it is, is an animal vector.
Black plague was lice and mice, you know, or whatever.
And then smallpox.
Now maybe it's bed bugs even, not termites.
And a lot of times they just change the name.
Like polio, they just change the name to mass and, you know.
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Welcome back.
And we're back with Dr. Thomas Cowan.
And we're going to talk about his new book.
But he did mention that, well, and I should say, you can find his new book at drtomcowan.com.
C-O-W-A-N.
So drtomcowan.com called Breaking the Spell.
And I hope we're going to hear about, I want to ask him how we're going to get out of this.
I'm not sure if you're mess that we're in with this.
But he also pointed out there's a website that people are interested in this topic and look at.
It's Viral Elijah.
It looks like V-I-R-O-L-I-E-G-Y.com.
So, Dr. Crown, how do we get ourselves out of this?
How do we break the spell?
Yeah.
I mean, so obviously I don't know.
But the reason, if there was a reason for writing the Breaking the Spell, it's because between the time of the contagion myth and writing Breaking the Spell, I was introduced to the work of a guy named Harold Hillman. I was introduced to the work of a guy named I don't know if you know Harold Hillman, but he was the best biologist who ever lived.
At least in the modern... With an H. Hillman, right?
Hillman.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
You know, if you haven't read Hillman, you have not lived.
And so the reason I say that is because he dedicated himself to saying, you know, unless we really prove that this is true, I'm not going to believe it.
So let me give you an example, because he ended up saying everything you see in an electron microscope is an artifact.
Because after all, you take a living tissue, you kill it, soak it in alcohol, soak it in glutaraldehyde, freeze it to minus whatever, 80, stain it with heavy metal, or transmission with these, and that picture you get has no resemblance With what happens in a living being?
None.
And that's the only way we've seen viruses.
That's also the only way we've seen something called a ribosome.
Right?
So a ribosome, and here's the things that Hillman, I would say, and I'll use this word judiciously, demonstrated, maybe proved, don't exist.
Lipid bilayer membranes.
Synapses in nerves, endoplasmic reticulum, ribosomes, Golgi apparatus, sodium potassium pump, receptor, protein receptors in cell membranes.
And there's about 20 other ones.
Now, I guarantee if you read Hillman, And you read it with an open mind, and I'll give you an example, you will also agree.
So let me talk about ribosomes.
First of all, ribosomes are very important to this current problem because that's where mRNA is translated, made into proteins in the cytoplasm.
That's what we're told.
And without ribosomes, there's no place for these proteins to be made.
And the reason this is so important is we are living proteins, right?
Proteins in water and minerals.
That's what a human being on a physical level.
So it's important to the whole genetic theory is DNA makes RNA makes protein and that's made in the ribosomes.
So he goes and traces the whole history of ribosomes from the initial discovery.
And one of the things, and there's a whole lot to this, but I'll just be brief.
One of the things he found is that every single picture of a ribosome is a perfect sphere.
Perfect sphere.
Now remember that the only way you saw it is you took some tissue, put it in a blender, froze it, stained it, dehydrated it, poisoned it, etc.
Cut it up into little pieces.
So I ask you, if you have an orange, that's a perfect sphere.
And what you see on a picture is a circle, right?
Because that's what a sphere is.
What are the chances if you put it in a blender that every piece of that orange would be a perfect circle?
Right.
The answer is zero.
And so what is it?
It's a stained gas bubble.
Which means there is no place we know of where the mRNA is made into protein.
And maybe that's not even the way it works.
Now here's to get to just to show another side of this.
Because I ended up thinking that the whoever it is that knows this story.
They know what I'm saying is true.
Yeah, so do you know what the word ribosome means?
No, I guess I don't.
Let's think about it for a minute.
It's rib, right?
R I B O meaning of.
Soma.
What's a soma?
Body.
Rib from the body.
You know where that comes from?
I mean, we're talking Adam and Eve there.
We're talking Adam and Eve.
In other words, they're messing with you.
They know that, whatever, God created substance by manipulating water somehow.
Energy plus water.
They wanted to mess with you and say, you know this thing we're going to tell you makes the life?
It's actually the rib from the body, so that you can think about that until you find the key to the puzzle.
Now, most people haven't figured out the key to the puzzle, but I happened to hear about that, so I knew.
Well, another example of that is the approved so-called vaccine that really doesn't exist, Comirnaty.
And if you look at the word, it's comity, like C-O-M-I-T-Y with an R-N-A stuck right in the middle.
So comity meaning to get along, to be in harmony.
But you're going to put RNA right in the middle of the harmony.
Yes.
So I thought that's what that was about.
So the reason why this is the answer to your question is once we see that this entire edifice of modern biology from at least the time of Virchow in the 1850s is basically nonsense.
It's an artifact.
It's a materialistic Make-believe story.
Then you see that there is another story, which is living beings are electromagnetic fields being downloaded by the receiver, which is water.
It's similar, the way to think about this, it's like I was with this three-year-old little boy and an interview of me came on the radio and he says, Tom, how'd you get in that radio?
Well, I wasn't in the radio.
The radio is the receiver, and it accepts electromagnetic waves, I guess they're called radio waves, and it converts that into something that makes sense.
That's very similar to how living beings work.
They have a receiver, in this case water, that needs to be in tune.
Because if your radio isn't in tune, you just get static and it accepts electromagnetic waves from the earth and the sun and grounding and the pigeons and your wife or husband or friend or your thoughts and feelings or cell towers or whatever's or fear or anger or nonsense or delusions or point and if you
Poison your water with aluminum and graphene and fear and not not enough oxygen and wrong kind of proteins and starving.
You don't have enough minerals.
He could go on.
Then you make wonky proteins.
That's a scientific word meaning.
And that's like your radio is out of tune and you can't play a song and that's what we call disease.
Now once you see that That's the game we're playing.
It's over.
Okay, I'm going to make good water and I'm going to care about how I live and how I breathe and all the rest and I'm not going to let people poison me and starve me and make me afraid.
There's nothing to be afraid of.
Right.
And to me, it's It starts because the way we perceive the conception of the world we have gets translated into how we live.
If you think you can fly, you jump off a cliff and then you don't.
At least I wouldn't.
And so how you see the world.
And we've been convinced to see a make-believe world.
Yeah.
And then you do stupid shit.
Yeah, it's not the Matrix we're plugged in like the movie maybe, but it's a Matrix nonetheless of wrong ideas, complete disinformation, and it's become so obvious.
I guess that's the one – well, there's several good things for the last couple of years, but the one good thing At least in my feeling about education and sciences, the lies are so obvious now that it makes you question everything.
And thank God we're doing that, because you're right, that's how we get out of this.
Right, so like the lie of putting a plastic manufactured little fiber thing on top of your face so you can't breathe, that's supposed to make you healthy?
I mean, you try that with one of our kittens, you know, put a face down, they're not going to do that.
Right.
Or the sheep, you know, they're not going to do that.
Yeah.
So once you see the game, once you see that this is the whole, you know, medicine, biology, it's all based on make-believe science.
And I can go into all the details of the genome and electron microscopy and, you know, we can do all that.
But, you know, you can find that in your own time.
The sad thing is that the fear has driven people to do, like you said, stupid shit.
I mean, the crazy stuff.
They didn't jump off a cliff, but they jumped in the arms of a vaccinator.
Yes.
And with some tragic results.
And I think there are going to be a lot more tragic results, but it was all based on fear.
I was so surprised because one of my very, very good friends that I've known since I was 16 years old said that he took the vaccine only because He was, they made him afraid that he might harm his great grandson.
And so he didn't, you know, not a scientist.
He's not, you know, he's not paying, he's not reading things and thinking like this.
That's not, you know, he's just a good person, smart guy, but doesn't, doesn't have the science bent, doesn't look into it.
And they made them afraid.
And, and now he realizes that that isn't the right move, but they, they made a lot of people afraid that normally would have done more due diligence looking at a used car.
Yeah, I mean, they're taking advantage of the fact that we have a scientifically illiterate population.
Right.
And so it can't go on like that.
Everybody out there, you have to figure this out for yourself.
And just think of the termite example.
If somebody tells you, I think there's termites and nobody can find them, don't believe them.
Yeah.
And they wouldn't, they probably wouldn't at the very same time they're listening to the experts because they sound so right.
I mean, you know, you listen to that, you know, the average person, they listen to Dr. Birx or, you know, Drosten, anybody, you know, they look, they listen to these guys and they sound so sciencey that we've got this, you know, we've done this before and, you know, Fauci, unbelievable.
It doesn't sound so science-y to me.
Once you get the language.
I know physicians say that I'm just not right because they can prove to me, they can show me the published genome.
There's got to be a virus.
They can show me the published genome.
On the other hand, I had Patrick King on my podcast on Monday nights the other night from Alberta and he's one of the guys that are heading up the Ottawa, the truckers.
But he was also the guy that took down Henshaw, Dina Henshaw, not really took her down, but forced her to admit she didn't have an isolate of SARS-CoV-2 after he had been charged and fined, I think, $1,600.
A lot of money just for not being – the rule was you're safe in a crowd of 10.
I mean this should have wakened people up.
How stupid is this?
You're safe in a crowd of 10, but in a crowd of 11, you're not safe, and you get a fine of $1,600.
That can't be contagion control.
It's like the masks.
It can't be contagion control.
And yet – and this is how I got awakened to that there was another agenda here – I went to defend against the mask mandate in my city, Omaha, Nebraska, and I thought, this will be a slam dunk.
Nobody believes that masks are going to make a difference here, that we have lots of science by OSHA and all these people.
And yet when I went down there, the entire big guys from the University of Nebraska were there.
Epidemiologists and the infectious disease people and everybody saying, oh, we got to mask up because the cases are going up.
And they had all these papers and they were just rattling off about those things.
And I'm the only medical doctor on the other side of the room.
I'm thinking, what?
How did we get here?
Yeah.
And unfortunately, I see there's too much of this consensus science stuff going on.
And there's and many of those guys may be honest, but just believe they're elders.
There's too much of that going on.
It's a cult.
It is a cult and quite frankly it took me a while to break out of the cult because I...
I was in one little part of medicine, as most of us are trained.
We're sub-specialized in a part of medicine, which really helps bring on this lie.
There was a day when, you know, in the 1800s, physicians were physician-scientists.
They all looked at kind of everything.
But now we look at our own little part of the world, and we assume that guy over there in the other corner is looking at his part of the world with the same due diligence and open-mindedness, and that may not be true.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, it is like dealing with people That's why I said it's a spell or a cult.
And what happens in a cult is what's really happening to people is their sense of I need to belong overwhelms their ability to reason.
Because they have a good reason for saying what they're saying, which is if I don't, my meaning in my life I know that if I think differently, if I say different things, I am going to jeopardize that.
probably primal and fundamental instinct of any living being.
I want to be accepted and loved and trusted.
And I know that if I think differently, if I say different things, I am going to jeopardize that.
And I've got nothing to go fall back on.
My wife will leave me, my husband will leave me, my career, I don't have any money, I can't buy any, I can't do anything, I don't have any friends, and I don't have the inner strength to say, you know what?
I don't give a shit.
I'm just going to do what I think is right.
And that's why I say, I decided, see, I decided that somehow, and you can call it whatever you want, that the spiritual world or the universe or God, If I just stick with my guns, I'll get help.
That's what this comes down to.
I was wrong a lot, but I was never wrong because I was afraid to say what I thought was true.
I just was wrong.
You know.
Now, ironically, to the cult people, if they get out of that cult and come join our cult, at least they'd be, or our group, we'd be in a group that actually give them a hug.
They're in, they're kind of in the isolate group.
You know, that's not as human and it's not as fun, I think.
Yeah.
They don't realize that there is help out there.
And that's what I say too.
There are people that will accept you.
Yeah.
And the world will help.
Every single time I've come to a situation where You know, it might be better if I just didn't.
Then things start not going well.
If I say, you know what?
I could be wrong, but this is how I see it.
The next day somebody comes up and says, well, here you could have this job or here's a loan or here's a new information or here have this sweater or something.
I honestly think, and I think God has put things in our path.
They put you here for this reason, and whatever it is, I don't pretend to understand it, but I'm just going with the flow.
That's how it works.
Now, what's next?
Go ahead.
I can just tell everybody out there, if you just get out of the fear, and even if you don't know whether you're really right, but it's the best thing you've got, just go with it.
The world will help you out.
What is your next field of study?
What are you going to look at next?
What are you working on now?
Are you just taking off after you've finished your book?
You probably just took the pack off and take some time off, I don't blame you.
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of things, but it's basically, you know, it's like, so I have a whole long list.
There's synapses, they don't exist.
There are no synapses.
The reason you see, take a nerve, you dehydrate it, it pulls apart, you get a synapse.
It wasn't, there wasn't a synapse.
So, I don't know, I may go after everything in biology.
You know, including the whole, you know, the genome doesn't, DNA isn't even a double helix.
The water is a double helix.
Chemicals aren't, don't have a shape, right?
Right.
Glasses don't have a shape unless somebody shapes it.
Right?
Chemicals are like sand.
They don't have shapes.
DNA doesn't, you know, if you go back to the original paper, Crick and Watson, of describing the double helix, you think, shit, man, these guys just making this up.
And somehow, ever since then, Everybody believes it because Watson and Crick got a Nobel Prize.
And you go into that and you think, this is nonsense.
And they even say, yeah, we don't really know that it's a double helix.
It might be, you know, kind of thing.
I mean, it's, so I don't know.
I don't know if I'll do that.
There's so many things like that in the world that, you know, I'll just go where the spirit moves me, as they say.
So, and we don't have much time, but I'm just wondering, so what about the whole issue of scalar waves?
Is that something, scalar waves and DNA is what I just was reading about, and I thought it's really interesting about connect, you know, I'm just wondering if that's a... DNA is embedded in the water, it is the antenna that collects the energy, whether you want to call it scalar, I mean So maybe that's what we call scalar waves.
It connects the electromagnetic fields that are, you know, that's how a bird navigates 500 miles.
They don't see anything.
They don't hear anything.
They ride this wave.
The whole universe is basically an electric, you know, electromagnetic field.
There are no electrons and neutrons.
That's make-believe.
That's just materialistic science.
And the DNA is the part of us.
It's organized by the water into an antenna like a kitten's tail, accepts the scalar waves or the field and turns it into life.
Wow, well, we'll have to end there and have you come back and I could listen to this for an hour, another hour.
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