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The New JFK Show (2 January 2022) with Gary King and Larry Rivera. Part 3
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Welcome to the new JFK Show number 264.
We're going to continue on with our critique of Oliver Stone's Through the Looking Glass.
So I'm going to go ahead and grab the screen.
But Gary, we do have to eat a little crow because you discovered your clip of Jim Garrison was a bona fide response to different, not to Johnny Carson, which Larry and I believe.
So we're eating humble pie.
You got us on that one.
But you remember Sheridan and all those guys?
It was just an NBC program about the, you know, unethical DA, you know, tactics that he used, and then he got to respond to that.
All right, you're going to have to let me have... Right, I'm making you the host right now.
Go for it.
You got it now.
All right, so I'm going to hit record myself.
Okay, now screen share.
Um, what I'm going to show a little bit later is going to be a little bit more information about Clay Shaw that was provided in this video and also as promised last week.
All right.
All right, so we're gonna bump up to one hour.
Okay, Dr. Fesser, you better take a calm pill because Lisa Peace is on the way
and so is Jefferson Marley.
So just take a deep breath.
All right, here we go.
All right, here we go.
Let's go.
One can only imagine that they wanted The damage to the brain to be consistent with the hypothesis that Oswald had done the shoot.
So if you had a defect going all the way to the back of the head like so many witnesses testified to it, it might raise questions about whether that huge defect could have been caused by a single shot to the head as Oswald is supposed to have done.
At a teaching hospital, there was no shortage of brains.
Autopsies were very frequent.
Frequently, the brain was saved for teaching medical students.
So, it would not have been difficult to find a brain replacement.
This is just one more reason why this cannot be President Kennedy's brain and the photographs that we have stored at the archives.
What we have here is evidence that impugns the authenticity of the brain photographs in the National Archives.
If there was a trial today, these brain photographs would not be admissible as evidence.
I'd hate to be in your shoes today.
You have a lot to think about.
You've seen much hidden evidence the American public has never seen.
You know, going back to when we were children, I think that most of us in this courtroom thought that justice came into being automatically.
The virtue was its own reward that good would triumph over evil.
But as we get older, we know this just isn't true.
Individual human beings have to create justice.
And this is not easy.
Because the truth often poses a threat to power.
And one often has to fight power at great risk to themselves.
The one physician present at both Parkland Hospital and the Bethesda Morgue was George Berkeley, Kennedy's personal doctor.
Arlen Specter did not depose George Berkeley, but Berkeley did an interview with the JFK Library in 1967 and was asked this question.
Do you agree with the Warren Report on the number of bullets that entered the President's body?
I would not care to be quoted on that.
The reason he didn't say anything was he was intimately involved in the cover-up.
Berkeley signed the autopsy descriptive sheet with a bullet in the back at the level of T3.
And he also signed Kennedy's death certificate, which also placed that wound in the back.
That death certificate is not in the Warren Commission volumes.
And the descriptive sheet in the Commission volumes does not have Berkeley's signature.
In 1977, through his lawyer, he wrote a letter to Richard Sprague, Chief Counsel of the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
He said he had information indicating that others besides Oswald must have participated in the assassination.
He was willing to talk about it at this time.
Sprague, who made clear his intention to fully investigate the CIA's involvement, was forced out two weeks later.
Dr. Berkeley submitted a written statement to the House Select Committee, but there is no official record of him being deposed as a witness.
In 1982, he told JFK researcher Henry Hurd, I know there was more than one gun.
And when Henry Hurt tried to recontact Berkeley for more details, Berkeley cut him off the knees.
I don't want to talk about it anymore.
The very next year, Berkeley talked to Michael Kurtz, another JFK researcher.
Told him that he knew there was a conspiracy to kill the president, and that he recalled an exit wound in the back of President Kennedy's head.
Now that's a very significant statement.
that the only doctor we know of who was present at both Parkland for treatment
and at Bethesda during the autopsy told Michael Kurtz in 1983 that Kennedy had an exit wound
in the back of his head.
When Kurtz tried to recontact Berkeley, Berkeley cut him off the knees.
I don't want to talk about this anymore.
Dr. Berkeley was deceased by the time the review board was impaneled.
So then Jeremy decided, well, we can ask the executor of his estate, his daughter,
to sign a waiver so that we could go to the law firm that Mr. Illig used to work for,
because he was deceased also, and see if there were any records in the file of Mr. Illig
that would have revealed what it was he wanted to tell the HSC in detail.
And she said she would do that.
And then Jeremy called her on the phone.
She had completely changed her mind and adamantly refused to sign it and terminated the phone call.
The face sheet for the autopsy where it shows the front and back
silhouette of the body where you mark scars and bullet wounds and things.
The face sheet showed the bullet wound in the back at the level of thoracic vertebra T3 which is five and a half to six inches below.
That location coincided with what Seibert and O'Neill wrote in their report.
And in order to make the facts fit the single bullet theory, one bullet doing all this damage, the doctors needed an exit point for the back wound.
The Warren Commission raised the wound in the back so that it would align with the alleged exit wound in the front of Kennedy's neck.
Commissioner Gerald Ford did this simply via the stroke of a pen, changing the description in their report from back to back of the neck.
As I recall, they said about Gerald Ford that he could not chew gum and walk at the same time.
Now, all of a sudden, he becomes a forensic pathologist and a photographer and a criminalist and an expert, and he knows where the bullet hole was, and he moved it up.
But then, in 1979, the House Select Committee moved it lower in the bag because they had pictures from the autopsy.
It is conceivable that, at the time, the Warren Commission thought no one would ever see the autopsy photos.
When the review board declassified the notation showing what Ford had done, the former commissioner replied that it had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory.
He was only trying to be more precise.
This is directly contradicted by a conversation Ford had with French President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing.
Ford told him the assassination was not the work of one person.
It was something set up.
We were sure it was set up.
But we were not able to discover my home.
With all the documents declassified by the Review Board, we can see this scene in a new light.
In regards to the JFK assassination, conspiracy theories are now conspiracy facts.
The forensics show evidence of multiple shooters with Oswald, not even at the 6th floor window at the time of the assassination.
And his fingerprints not found on the supposed murder weapon.
Still, there was no trial for Lee Harvey Oswald.
People have given me a hearing without legal representation or anything.
I didn't shoot anybody, no sir.
Attorney Mark Lane tried to represent Oswald in the proceedings, but was denied by the Warren Commission.
This commission has functioned in a fashion which totally disregards the rights of the accused.
I don't know if anybody's innocent. I know the case which has been presented against me is called
Fairness and Contradiction. And I know that right now in the office of the Bailiff's attorney,
the power of the press has been closed. But Lee Harvey Oswald did not file a rightful on November
22nd, 1963. I know that because I was told he got a copy of my file.
Did the accused man get a fair trial?
I can tell you from my experiences having tried several hundred cases to verdict him.
Oh!
And being responsible for thousands of cases ahead of the criminal courts
and running the Homicide Bureau that I...
Larry, do we not talk about Tottenbaum yet?
We haven't yet, Larry, but he denied you the right to testify at the mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Am I right?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That wasn't him.
It was other people.
Um, I just wanted to, uh, this Berkeley thing, uh, we can't pass over, you know, the fact that, uh, he had the Harper fragment for years and yeah, and he, and he, uh, it disappeared while in his possession.
Okay.
Uh, so of course he would have known, uh, that JFK had a big hole in the back of the head, you know?
Because he had that big fragment, you know, for so long.
So, and Oliver Stone is saying a new light, you know, has been now shown on the case, you know, of course, with the new documents.
And we've been saying that since 2017.
You know, when the documents first came out, you know, with the importance of all the stuff that we've talked about here for years.
So, it's so far, it's not blowing my socks away, but let's see what happens.
Well, there's nothing here that's remotely new.
This is all old yesterday's news, Larry.
There's not a damn thing yet that's significant.
I'd like to weigh some, like Cyril put, some of these points, but that's just a novel expression of something we've known for decades.
So, look, Gary.
I have to say this.
The vertebrae, Dr. Fetzer.
You have included the vertebrae in every single presentation you've ever made for 30 years.
It's unbelievable how this is a rehash.
So far, I can see no point whatsoever in having made this film at all up to this point.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
The vertebrae thing, that's in every show almost.
Okay, here we go.
If there's any courtroom in America where Oswald would have been convicted on the evidence that was presented before the Warren Commission.
Instead of a jury of 12 American citizens, judgment was passed by a panel of seven appointed wise men and career statesmen.
A judgment perpetuated by the media at that time.
Looking at the declassified documents, we see there is even more mystery behind Oswald to uncover.
A man who was, in his own words, a patsy.
Murdered on live television.
This was the dreary funeral of Lee Harvey Oswald, alleged murderer of President Kennedy.
Burial was in an otherwise empty plot in Rose Hill Cemetery outside Fort Worth.
A plot that we were told was bought long ago by Oswald's mother.
No one was on hand for the funeral as mourners, except the family of the dead man.
Look how much his brother there looks like Lee.
You could back that up a second, Gary.
Because look how much he looks like Lee, Larry.
I think he could easily, easily have passed for Lee.
By the media at that time.
Looking at the declassified documents, we see there is even more mystery behind Oswald to uncover.
A man who was, in his own words, a patsy.
Murdered on live television.
This was the prairie funeral of Lee Harvey Oswald, alleged murderer of President Kennedy.
Burial was in an otherwise empty plot.
Yeah, that looks like Lee, like nobody else can.
Keep going just a little more, you'll see it even more so.
Yeah, there was a profile there, yeah.
Yeah, right there.
No, but you could see the profile earlier, it's just like a millisecond.
There!
Yeah.
Pretty close.
I mean, there's a spitting image, you know.
I mean, he could so easily have passed himself off as Lee.
Yeah, but I don't think he wanted to.
No one was on hand for the funeral as mourners, except the family.
Look at that.
Right there.
Yeah.
It is early years.
in an orphanage. No, no, we've got enough. You got enough?
Okay. Right there, right there. Stop. That's it. That's it.
Stop. Oswald spent his early years in an orphanage.
I love you.
At the age of 17, he joined the U.S.
Marine Corps.
A year later, he was sent to one of the most secret U.S.
bases in the world, Atsugi, in Japan.
From here, the CIA operated spy flights over communist China using U-2 reconnaissance planes.
Over Communist China?
It was over the Soviet Union for crying out loud.
Of U.S.
intelligence activities, committee member Richard Schweiker remarked about Oswald that everywhere you looked with him, there are fingerprints of intelligence.
Many people said he was a forthright, upstanding American as a young person, and yet later depicted him as a Castro-loving, Cuban-loving, Russian-loving person.
In the spring of 1963, Oswald started handing out pamphlets for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, a pro-Castro, pro-Cuban revolution group that was popular on college campuses, and some of them he stamped 544 Camp Street, which was an office in downtown New Orleans near where the CIA's offices were, right across the street.
It was also the home of the Cuban Revolutionary Council, which was the leading anti-Castro group.
Why would a pro-Castro activist put his headquarters in the same headquarters as the leading anti-Castro group in the country?
Because he was a provocateur.
This gets back to being an agent or double agent because he played both roles.
Here was Oswald, who had two associations.
One, he had a group of anti-Castro Cubans.
Same time, he was handing out leaflets for the Fair Play for Cuba committee with the other side of the fence.
So the two groups that had the most motivation to assassinate the president, he was dealing with.
And not surprisingly, many of these groups were known, and in some case, supported by the U.S.
government.
In the spring of 1963, Oswald began associating with men who, it would be revealed, had clear connections with these government efforts.
One of these men, David Ferry, had been with Oswald in the Civil Air Patrol back in 1955 and was known as an extreme anti-communist.
He was also a trainer and a pilot for the CIA in its secret war against Cuba.
Oswald was involved with these Cuban exile training activities with Ferry.
I do know that I saw him one time with a man by the name of Guy Bannister.
And what Guy's role was in all of this, I really don't know.
Bannister was an extreme right-winger who was close to the FBI, the CIA, and the American Nazi Party.
Bannister gave Oswald his own office at 544 Camp Street.
Oswald now began to use his office to print up and stamp pro-Castro literature.
After the assassination, when the FBI questioned Bannister, a former FBI agent himself, they did not ask him about Oswald.
At some point, the FBI, I think probably after the assassination, decided they wanted to disconnect.
Oswald from the FBI and, of course, Bannister, who's associated with the FBI, would have to be disconnected as well.
The problem with that, many of those handbills had the 544 Camp Street address on them.
There was a message from New Orleans to the Bureau, written by Special Agent Maynard, who actually mentioned pamphlets that had the 544 Camp Street address on it.
And before that message was sent, it was scratched out.
The Warren Commission pushed the idea that Oswald was a staunch communist, citing evidence of his defection to the Soviet Union in 1959.
His trip to Russia raised a number of questions that we wanted to get into.
For example, when any American went to Russia and renounced his American citizenship and subsequently changed his mind and wanted to come back to this country, Upon returning to this country, there was a thorough debriefing by the CIA.
With one exception, as far as we could ascertain, Oswald.
And that smacks of an intelligence relationship.
No, they're taking me in because of the fact that I live in the Soviet Union.
State Department intelligence officer Otto Otepka had noted the marked increase in the number of Americans defecting to Russia at the time.
He also noted that some of them came from the military.
He therefore suspected that some of these men were fake defectors.
They had been assigned by the CIA to garner intelligence behind the Iron Curtain.
He sent a letter to the CIA asking which ones were real and which were their agents.
Oswald was one of the names on Otepka's list.
Otepka's request was forwarded to James Angleton, Chief of Counterintelligence.
He instructed that there be no research done on Oswald.
But Otepka continued to work on the Oswald case.
The thing of significance was that he was really interested in Lee Harvey Oswald before the assassination.
And he actually had a study of these defectors in his safe.
Well, things got worse.
His office was not only bugged, they planted people in his office to spy on him.
They started putting confidential documents in his burn bag and then trying to blame him and saying he's burning confidential documents.
The guy's gone, you know, wacko.
As a result, he was formally removed from the State Department on November the 5th, 1963, just 17 days before the assassination.
So you will not see Otepka's name in the Warren Report, and he was not called as a witness before that body.
In fact, Angleton, the man who had access to all the Oswald files at the CIA, coordinated the agency's response to the Warren Commission's requests.
The CIA Deputy Director of Plans, Richard Helms, swore to the Warren Commission that the agency never had or contemplated any contact with Oswald.
The line that the CIA fed the Warren Commission, that we really didn't know anything about this guy, we now know that that was complete nonsense.
Oswald was a figure of intense interest for four years before the assassination.
A dozen senior CIA officers were very well acquainted with him, everything he did, where he went, what his politics were, his family life.
I mean, remember, they were reading his mother's mail.
That's how closely they were watching him, right up until Kennedy was killed.
And then Kennedy was killed, Oswald's arrested, and they say, we know nothing about this man.
In fact, ARRB records show that Angleton and the CIA were receiving reports on Oswald up until one week before the assassination.
So, you know, the whole investigation would have been totally different if the public and the investigators had known just how much the CIA knew about the alleged loan.
One of the places Oswald leafleted in front of was Clay Shaw's international trademark.
Shaw, who was arrested by New Orleans D.A.
Jim Garrison on charges that he was part of the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy, always denied he was associated with the CIA.
You have never yourself had any CIA connection?
None whatsoever.
Any association with the organization?
No.
The Review Board has shown these denials to be false.
Shaw was both a highly valued contract agent and had a covert security clearance for a project codenamed QK Enchant.
New Orleans Attorney Dean Andrews had worked with Oswald in May of 63 in an attempt to upgrade his military discharge from its undesirable status.
After the assassination, a man calling himself Clay Bertrand phoned Andrews and asked him to consider going to Dallas to defend Oswald.
Under oath, Clayshaw denied that he was Clay Bertrand, and Andrews claimed that because of the medication he was on, he'd only imagine the phone call.
But today, because of the work of the Assassination Records Review Board, we now have evidence and 12 people who confirm that Shaw used this name as an alias.
Andrews later admitted that Shaw was Bertrand to author Harold Weisberg, but made him promise not to reveal this until after Andrews' death.
In the FBI, a stop or flash was placed on Oswald's files, which meant that no one could ask for a document in those files, or no one could even add a document to those files without going through the FBI's espionage division.
And that lasted for four years.
It was essentially a blinking red light on Oswald's files at FBI.
On 8 October 1963, an FBI agent whose name was Marvin Giesling took that status off of Oswald's files.
What that action did was to lower Oswald's threat profile at the FBI.
Just weeks before the Kennedy assassination.
And what that would mean is there was no reason to put Oswald's name on the security index.
One thing about the security index is when you have a presidential motorcade going through a particular route, anybody who's on that index has to be removed from where they are.
They cannot be on the route.
And of course it exposes the president to a dangerous situation that he shouldn't have been in.
That action at the FBI didn't happen in isolation.
The same thing happened at CIA at exactly the same time.
Who was the CIA's liaison they chose to work with the House Select Committee in 1978?
George Joanides.
He was the case officer for the Cuban students who had a series of encounters with Oswald before the assassination, and then 13 years later, when Congress reopens the investigation, the CIA calls Joe Anides out of retirement and make him the point person to deal with the congressional investigators who are looking into the CIA's possible role in the assassination.
The HSCA knew nothing about this.
And I went to Bob Blakey, the head of the HSCA investigation, and I said, Bob, did you ever know this guy Joe Anides?
And he said, yeah, you know, we dealt with him a lot.
He was the liaison.
And I said, did you know what he was doing in 1963?
And he said he wasn't doing anything in 1963.
We had an agreement with the CIA that nobody who was operational at the time of the assassination would be involved in the investigation.
And I said, Bob, Joe Anides was running those Cubans who were in touch with Oswald.
He was running the Cubans who were blaming Castro for the assassination.
He was Dick Helms' hand-picked man in Miami, controlling the group that had the most to do with Oswald before and after the assassination.
And then he came along and he stonewalled you.
The reason why they brought Joe Anides in to do it was to hide the connection to Oswald.
He was definitely shocked because he saw just how clever they had been.
They had gone right to the heart of his investigation and figured out how to paralyze him.
I remember that he said, you know, I'll never believe anything the CIA tells me again.
Even the Assassination Records Review Board had trouble getting documents from government agencies.
What were some of your difficulties working with the CIA?
One of the censors at the CIA was at a meeting with us and there was a document that we put up on the screen and said we were prepared to release it.
And he asked him, you know, tell us why we shouldn't release this record.
And it was silence for about two minutes.
And he finally said, I know there's a reason.
I just can't think of what it is.
In late 1992, a month after the Records Act was passed, the Secret Service began its compliance plan.
But by January of 1995, it had begun destroying important documents.
The destruction of records is actually referenced in the Assassination Records Review Board final report.
Very disappointing.
They were records that related to trips that President Kennedy had taken in the fall of 1963 prior to him going to Dallas.
There were many threats made to President Kennedy's life during the year 1963.
They're called threat sheets.
And the Secret Service fought us on release of those records.
They even enlisted Vice President Gore's wife to help them because she had a very legitimate concern for mental health records.
And the idea was that this might disclose the names of people who had mental health problems.
In the end, when we required agencies to disclose, to swear under oath, that they had located all assassination records and turned everything over to us, the Secret Service refused to sign the document under oath.
I think that was telling.
Few people knew that there had been at least two prior plots to kill President Kennedy in 1963.
One was in Chicago on November 2nd.
The second was in Tampa on November 18th.
Kennedy ended up not going to Chicago.
Tell us about that plot.
An informant on October 31st, an informant named Lee, gave a warning to the FBI stating that four Cubans were headed to Chicago to shoot Kennedy.
The following day, a landlady reported to the Chicago police that she had rented a room to four people that had rifles with telescopic sights and a sketch of the motorcade.
The FBI passed that on to the Secret Service and the Secret Service botched the surveillance of these four individuals.
Two of them escaped, but they actually picked up two of the snipers and they detained them.
They were stonewalled by the snipers.
They didn't get any information out of them.
While this was going on, there was another threat coming in from another Alternate Patsy named Thomas Arthur Valet was making open and loud threats that he would assassinate Kennedy.
They only picked him up when Kennedy cancelled his trip on November 2nd at 10 in the morning.
What you found in Valet and the whole Chicago plot is so many similarities to what eventually happened in Dallas that it can't be considered coincidental.
Valet, if we compare him to Oswald, is an ex-Marine.
He had been posted like Oswald in the Far East on a station that was linked to the CIA because there were U2 surveillance planes on it.
It was easy to portray him as disgruntled, anti-Kennedy, a loner, armed.
He had another intelligence link that he shared with Oswald.
He trained Cuban exiles for combat, which was a CIA responsibility.
And Oswald, we know, at least offered to do that.
He most likely did train Cuban exiles, but we know he tried to.
Oswald, as we know, was moved from New Orleans to Dallas in October to be there just at the right time for the motorcade.
And he's placed in a tall building where he gets a job.
He's adjacent to the perfect kill zone.
Now if we look at what happened to Valet, he's moved like a pawn in August from Long Island to Chicago to be there in time for the motorcade.
And where does he get it done?
In a tall building adjacent to the motorcade with a perfect view of a kill zone.
It would have forced Kennedy's motorcade to do a sharp turn, slow down, and be in a point where you could have had perfect triangulation flight.
And what about the trip to Florida?
On November 18th, Kennedy was scheduled to do a 27 mile long motorcade in Tampa.
Secret Service was very nervous about the Floridian Hotel where the motorcade would have gone by.
It would have forced a sharp turn.
Nobody fired away at him.
But in this case, the Patsy would have been a Gilbert Policarpo Lopez.
He was a Cuban exile.
He attended Fair Play for Cuba Committee meetings.
And what do you think was the relevance of Well, if he had been assassinated in Tampa, Lopez, he would have been the potential Patsy.
If they had to admit to a front shot, because Oswald was behind, there were rumors that he had assisted Oswald in the assassination in Dallas.
Had anyone, anyone tried to speak to the Warren Commission about these incidents?
Abraham Bolden was the first black Secret Service agent assigned to the White House detail.
And he was handpicked by Kennedy.
He was in Chicago when this plot went down.
So he was there when the Secret Service was briefed about the four snipers.
And he witnessed how much the security was lax for Chicago.
And he also witnessed, after the assassination, the steps that were taken to keep the Chicago plot completely secret.
No paper trail.
Compartmentalized.
Agents ordered to keep silent about it.
This information did not make its way to Secret Service agents that were protecting Kennedy for future murder cases, including Dallas.
Secret Service agent Elmer Moore was aware of Agent Bolden and the Chicago plot.
I met with Elmer three times face-to-face.
Several phone calls, very short, one very long one.
I first asked him, did you ever interview Thomas Arthur Valley?
And he says, oh, Washington wouldn't let me see the files on that.
I said, oh, well, what about a man, a Secret Service agent by the name of Abraham Bolden?
His demeanor completely changed.
He stood up from his chair, he pulled out his revolver, and he put it in the table right in front of me.
He leaned over the table, and he says, Jim, tell me right now, who are you working for?
I said, I'm an independent researcher.
He told me in a very loud voice, And with a very stern look on his face, we finally got him.
Abraham Bolden was one person who did try to say what he knew to the Warren Commission, but they blocked him.
He was blocked from talking and eventually railroaded into some phony crime and put into jail for a number of
years.
Is this a good place to stop? Is it a good place to stop?
Is it not?
Yeah, it's about 30 seconds, but I think they're pretty much covered, you know.
Well, I mean, but it's a good place to stop in terms of the narrative.
Is it not?
Sure.
It is going in a whole different direction here.
So, um, all right, let me go ahead and, um, well, I want, I want to talk about this for a few minutes.
I think the last five or ten minutes with this guy talking about the previous attempts, I think he's pretty good.
And I think that's information that's valuable to know.
But it's not advancing our understanding of the assassination so much as it is giving a background to earlier attempts.
I like that.
I like that.
And I think he's good.
And so far, of the hour and a half we've seen, that's the most valuable ten minutes of the entire production, in my opinion.
Yeah, Jim, to your point, the Thomas Arthur Valley information, some of these details have never been dealt with before in any type of media.
Just in case.
This part is good, but... The comparisons and the side-by-side comparisons with Lee, I thought, was very, very, very good.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
I agree.
On the other hand, I'd say there's really nothing in this video that we didn't know, say, by 1980.
In other words, this is 40 years later, for crying out loud.
And this is supposed to be going back and giving us a real scoop about the assassination of JFK.
At that, I think it fails miserably.
But I do like this 10 minutes or so about the previous attempts.
And I like this guy I've not run across before.
I thought he was good and well used.
The alternate Patsy scenario goes, I mean, it has tentacles all over the place because it also goes straight to the doorway where we find Wesley Frazier and Joe Molina and Billy Lovelady as all potential patsies, along with Lee in the doorway, of course.
Yeah, you're absolutely right, Larry, but notice none of that is in here.
Your spectacular work on the doorway seems to have flown over Oliver Stone's head.
I think really it was DiEugenio who was suppressing.
I think he knew enough to know what he wanted to keep out of the film, which was anything new and revealing that would have advanced our understanding and pointed in directions he did not want this film to go.
Gary?
I agree with that.
It seems to be warming up just a little bit.
I think a lot of this was known by Jim Garrison, even the alternate Patsy and stuff like that.
If I remember correctly, that does go way back.
Now, it wasn't really talked about that much, but Jim Garrison was on the scene.
So... Well, also, they talk about the surveillance that they had Lee under, where we have been discussing the Warren DeBruys.
Uh, relationship with Lee Oswald and how that one report that's 40 pages long, uh, is only contains four, uh, that have been released and where coincides, it coincides with the dates that Lee was supposedly in Mexico City.
And how, if Lee was being under such surveillance, uh, for, from the FBI, how could the documents not mention, the FBI documents not mention, oh, He's on his way to Mexico City.
Those do not exist at all.
Just to draw an academic comparison, I would say what we have here in JFK Revisited, at least so far, is like JFK 101.
We were expecting a graduate seminar and we're getting really An introduction, you know, I think people who don't know anything about the case might like this, but for those of us who've been spending so much of our lives investigating JFK, this really is not worth the time and effort with the occasional exceptions such as this last 10 minutes of the third hour.
It's a little surprising also the amount of Secret Service bashing And rightfully so, because of the destruction of the documents that were requested by the ARRB in 1995 and 1996, which contained precisely the records of 1963 when John Kennedy was president.
And I've interviewed Abraham Bolden.
I mean, he's a good man.
Jack made a wonderful move in bringing him into the Secret Service.
He actually met him as a janitor, I think, in a men's room in a hotel.
And was impressed by him and wanted to make him the first black member of the Secret Service, which he excelled.
And then they had to tarnish him because he was raising questions they didn't want anyone to raise.
We have a complete show with Abraham Bolden.
I think it's one of our best shows.
I really do.
So, what I would like to show is that Larry said earlier that he's not having his socks blown off.
Well, I would like to blow some socks off for Oliver Stone if he'd care to.
When we're talking about the shooting underneath, I'm going to use my little cursor here.
I want you to see this man here.
The bald man is going to Pass right by.
I'm going to put a black.
Now you see the ball head right there and all this?
And also look how big these men are.
They're like 6'6", 6'3".
They're linemen for the Saints.
Right.
Now watch.
Here it comes.
There it goes.
Right over his head.
Did y'all catch that?
I'll do it again.
All right, here he comes with the black bag, puts it over his head, and then these men shuffle him off to a room, which we all know about that.
All right, so I wanted to show that.
I don't know I've ever heard of a suspect being apprehended by having a bag put over his head.
This is the sole exception, Jack Ruby, because it wasn't really Jack, and they didn't want anyone to realize.
Right now, how about that?
They already said that he was murdered on television by Jack Ruby and all that, but how about we blow some socks off and show that Jack Ruby was set up just like Lee Oswald, okay?
Right now, the next thing I'm going to do is audio.
Now they talked about Clay Shaw for a little bit, and they got him to say, I was a CIA.
But I'm going to give you one minute.
This is JFK Show number 49 with Don Fox and myself.
And listen to who Clay Shaw really was.
It's about a minute long.
That researcher Jim Mars wrote in his renowned book about the Kennedy assassination, Crossfire, a following description of Shaw's military background.
By 1941, Shaw was with the U.S.
Army, and while his official biography states that he was simply an aide-de-camp to General Charles O. Thrasher, Shaw later admitted he was working for the Office of Strategic Services, or the OSS, as a liaison officer to the headquarters of Winston Churchill.
It is here that Shaw may have become entangled in the murky world of intelligence.
Although there is precious little reliable information on exactly what Shaw's wartime experiences included, He did retire from the U.S.
Army in 1946 as a major, and later he was made a colonel with the Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit, France's Croix de Guerre, Belgium's Order of the Crown.
And it's significant that Shaw received France's Croix de Guerre while serving as a colonel in the U.S.
Army in the 1940s.
So there's some strong circumstantial evidence that Shaw may have also served as a colonel in the French espionage organization Service Documentation Exterior et Contre Espionage or the S.D.E.C.E.
under the aliases of Colonel Rene Bertrand and Colonel Beaumont.
So he had aliases back in the 40s.
So that's the first.
OK, so right there, that's a lot more information than we got from there.
And not only that, Clay Shaw was the arresting officer for Van Braun, the rocket scientist.
They basically had a false.
And guess who the cat is.
Gary, if you're not going to show any more video, get rid of the screen.
Just give us.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm going to, let's talk about it for a second.
Then I have one more clip.
Well, let's not, let's not forget that we, uh, we uncovered that document that shows that Clay Shaw threw a giant party for Charles Cabell at the trademark there in New Orleans right after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion.
Okay, and we have the copy, the entire copy of the press release that announced that soiree and which is a, I don't know how you can Uh, react otherwise than to, uh, you know, come to the conclusion that Shaw was CIA, you know, I mean.
In case anyone in our audience is unaware, Charles Campbell was one of the two deputy directors of the CIA JFK dismissed before he retired Allen Dulles with a certain degree of fanfare for having misled him about the Bay of Pigs and was the brother Of Earl Cabell, who was the mayor of Dallas at the time of the assassination, for whom they have a courthouse named in Dallas the Cabell Courthouse.
It's just monstrous how these traitors— No, and Jim, and one of the very first documents that came out in July of 2017 was the agreement of Clay Shaw, you know, establishing his vow with the CIA.
And that Earl Campbell, Mayor of Dallas, joined the CIA in 1957.
You know?
All in the family.
All in a family, indeed.
Oh, is it ever.
Okay, Gary, give us your other clip.
Okay.
All right, we're going to prove that everything so far in this documentary was proven in 1967.
It's an eight-minute clip.
It's going to pretty much cover everything.
The conclusion of the Warren report that President Kennedy was killed by a lone assassin is a fairy tale.
This does not mean that the men on the Warren Commission were aware at the time that their conclusion was totally
untrue, nor does it mean necessarily that these men had any
sinister motives.
It does mean that the conclusion that no conspiracy existed and that Lee Oswald was the lone assassin is a fiction
and the myth and that it should be brought to an end.
Now let me tell you why President Kennedy was murdered and how he was murdered.
I also want to give you a few examples which will show you how the conclusion reached by the Warren Commission is totally impossible.
President Kennedy was assassinated by men who sought to obtain a radical change in our foreign policy, particularly with regard to Cuba.
In June of 1963, President Kennedy, Addressing students at the American University in Washington, told them, we breathe the same air as the Russians.
He said, we should try to live together in peace on this earth.
Well, at this point, some individuals transferred their hostile attention from Fidel Castro to John F. Kennedy.
They planned the president's assassination, and they planned it well.
The evidence indicates that he was shot at from two different directions in the rear, and also from the right front.
We know that shooting was coming from two separate directions in the rear, because the President and Governor Connolly were hit in the back with a split second of each other.
And this necessarily had to happen with two bullets coming from two different rifles.
We know that the President was being shot at from the Grassy Knoll area on the right front.
Because most of the people in Dealey Plaza heard the shots coming from there.
And because at least one of the President's wounds was an entry wound from the front.
And because men were seen running from the Grassy Knoll area immediately after.
That's why the idea of Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone assassin of the President is a fairy tale and should be brought to an end.
If you, the people of the United States, We'll learn the truth that the president was assassinated by men who were once connected with a central intelligence agency.
Of course, this might reflect on the dignity of the CIA.
They did not tell you that Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints were not found on the gun which was supposed to kill the president.
And they did not tell you that nitrate tests exonerated Lee Oswald from the actual shooting by showing that he had not fired a rifle that day.
And they do not tell you that it was virtually impossible for Oswald to have taken his fingerprints off the gun, hidden the gun, and gone down four flights of stairs by the time he was seen on the second floor.
Above all, they do not tell you of the overwhelming eyewitness testimony that shots were coming from behind the stone wall on the Grassland Mall.
This is why there continue to be hundreds of documents still hidden from your eyes.
And classified as secret.
And some of them bear such titles as Lee Harvey Oswald's accessibility to information about the U2.
The Central Intelligence Agency's dossier on Lee Harvey Oswald.
And a CIA file on Jack Ruby.
You have not been told that Lee Oswald was an employee of the United States Intelligence Agency.
But this was the case.
And so I am telling you Why, this young, uneducated man had learned to speak Russian even before he left the Marines.
And there's only one way he could have learned that.
Oswald had a higher security rating than his buddies in his Marine unit.
During 12 hours of questioning, to give you another example, 12 hours of questioning after the assassination, there is no transcript of Oswald's statements available for you to look at.
It doesn't matter where you live.
If somebody in your town steals a 1928 automobile, what he says is written down when he's questioned.
However, when the man who has just killed the President of the United States is questioned for 12 hours, no transcript is available.
There's nothing for you to look at.
And believe it or not, one of the explanations given is That the room was too small to include a stenographer.
And here's something else.
This case has more accidental fires, more burning of paper than any murder case in history.
For example, when Oswald was questioned by a federal agent in August of 1963, the notes of the interview were later burned.
You cannot see the notes made by Commander Hume concerning the President's autopsy, because he burned them too.
One of the questioners of Lee Harvey Oswald during the 12-hour session burned his notes.
And similarly, when the Warren Commission contacted the State Department and said, with regard to Exhibit 948, we noticed that a one-page message from the CIA containing secret information is supposed to be attached to this file, and it's missing.
Would you please furnish us with a copy of this missing secret document?
The answer given to the Warren Commission was that the secret message about Oswald from the CIA was accidentally destroyed while being thermo faxed.
This is the day after the president's assassination.
They have to know well the significance of the continued concealment of X-rays And Autopsy Pictures, which, if revealed to you, would show that the President was hit by rifle fire from more than one direction.
And they have to know well of the hundreds of documents which remain classified secrets and concealed from your view.
And they're making white-black when they repeatedly state that my office is using proper methods.
They have to know that no DA's office in the United States ...would dream of operating in the way they suggest.
They have to know that for years, I have been a strong defender of the rights of individuals.
They have to know all of this.
But they have lent themselves to the all-out effort to convince you that the matter's been looked into.
And anyone who raises a question now is irresponsible, or a troublemaker, or an enemy of the people.
What's that?
You say that you are an American citizen and you want to see the autopsy x-rays, and you want to see these hundreds of documents that have been withheld from your view, and you want to know why these vital notes always ended up being burned?
What's the matter with you?
Can't you take the word of these honorable men who've looked into it for you?
Let me just give you one example that shows you how impossible the single assassination theory is.
Which shows you the enormity of the fairy tale which you're supposed to believe in.
Now this is... You see the magic bullet back there?
They talked about that?
They gave quite a few minutes about that.
The Warren Commission's own diagram of the route of the bullet through Governor Connell.
The bullet had to take this route in order to cause the injuries which he received.
Now the important thing to keep in mind Is that the Warren Commission itself concedes that if this same bullet was not the one which also went through President Kennedy, then there had to be someone else firing.
And the reason for that, just to put it very simply, is that the protofilms have shown that all the firing occurred in six seconds, and yet there were a total of eight wounds.
Therefore, this one bullet has to cause seven wounds, because one missed and one was the fatal shot hitting the President.
There you go.
Everything in that particular video was in the book.
I think that was valuable for that reason, and of course that would have meant by 1970.
The reason I mention 1980 is because they had figures from the House Select Committee investigation, which began in 1977-78, and his final report only came out in 1979.
That's why there's nothing there that could not have been known by 1980.
But what Garrison couldn't cover in, you know, the earlier 10 years is what took place with the HSCA, which was really an attempt to cover it up, to redo the medical evidence even by reconstituting the back of JFK's head.
And where this film is just appallingly bad at explaining the significance of those important features.
And even when they're talking about them, they're not explained adequately.
Larry, would you agree?
Oh, you know, again, many parts of this documentary are actually we're at a standstill with You know, we're glad, you know, that Douglas Horn and Dr. Mantic, you know, got their say, even though, as we have mentioned before, we don't think that they really went into their areas of expertise.
All right.
And with, you know, I like the information on Valley, but outside of that, You know, a rehash, you know, maybe, you know, like you said, you know, more suitable for beginners or, you know, something like that.
Watch an hour and a half of the film and there might be 10 minutes that's worthy.
And when you compare it with Jim Garrison in 10 minutes, Jim Garrison covered virtually everything else covered in the other hour and 20 minutes.
So I think this is again, more confirmation of the failure of this film.
It doesn't move the ball.
It doesn't advance our understanding of the assassination.
It doesn't move the chains.
We'll hold our breath as to whether the final 30 minutes should redeem the preceding hour and a half, but it's highly improbable that should play out.
Gary, thank you for adding the garrison and the Don Fox talking about Clay Shaw.
I think that was all valuable and here we go.
We've completed now part three with one part to go.
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