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June 11, 2021 - Jim Fetzer
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Dr. Sherri Tenpenny Testifies to Ohio Congress: Protect Medical Freedom
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Thank you.
Good morning.
My name is Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.
I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.
I've been a practicing physician in Ohio since 1985.
I was board certified in emergency medicine and director of a level 2 trauma center in Finley, Ohio for 12 years.
Before moving to Cleveland to start my own private practice, I've been reporting on problems associated with vaccines for nearly 21 years, with more than 40,000 hours of personal research on which I state my personal and professional opinions.
In fact, I would say since COVID started, it's probably an extra 7 to 10,000 more than that.
I'm testifying today in favor of HB 248, allowing all Ohioans to have a clear choice of what they want to have injected into their body without fear of reprisals, including reprimands, repeated aggressive and unnecessary testing, and or loss of employment, the ability to go to college or school or attend professional events for which they have paid tens of thousands of dollars to attend.
Coronaviruses have been identified in circulation for at least 60 years.
There are four garden variety coronaviruses that commonly infect humans, accounting for up to 20% of annual influenza-like illness every year.
The possibility of a person being exposed to or contracting illness from this common coronavirus throughout their lifetime, the probability is close to 100%.
This is what creates natural immunity.
On May 31, 2021, another medical doctor joined the ranks of many physicians that are highly credentialed across the country Speaking out about the horrific side effects associated with these shots.
Dr. Bram Brindle, Associate Professor of Viral Immunology in Canada, has now joined Dr. Peter McCullough of Texas A&M, Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist in Boise, Idaho, and Dr. Michael Yadin, Pfizer's former Vice President and Chief Scientist, who worked for Pfizer for 32 years, who, along with myself, have boldly declared That the spike protein created by all of the currently available COVID injections causes, not only might, but does cause serious health concerns, including, but not limited to, thromboembolism, which is blood clots that can lead to myocardial infarctions, deep venous thrombosis, which is blood clots in arms and legs that can cause pulmonary embolism in the lungs, strokes and cerebral venous thrombosis, which are clots in the brain,
Pulmonary artery hypertension and a long list of other cardiovascular problems proven in the laboratory from the spike protein.
Pulmonary artery hypertension is uniformly fatal within three years, irrespective of the conventional treatment.
And protein anomalies can punch holes in the blood-brain barrier, cross into the brain,
leading to morphing of genes and proteins that can lead to ALS, dementia, and cancer.
I personally have identified 20 mechanisms of injury from the mainstream medical journals of how COVID shots can and will make you sick and possibly even kill you.
I printed a copy of my e-book, which is available to each one of you, that lists all 20 of those mechanisms of injury.
And since that has been published, I've identified four to five more.
Millions do not want this untested experimental product injected into their body.
If a person is so crippled by fear over a virus that has a documented death rate of less than 1% Globally.
And they want to bow to an untested pharmaceutical product out of their fear?
Well, that needs to be their decision.
They can make that choice.
But for those who know differently, who have learned about the ingredients, the side effects, the lack of substantiating science behind these products because they were fast-tracked into emergency use, and to know that we tried to create coronavirus vaccines ever since 2002, and the animals died.
And that's why we have now pushed this into emergency use, because we knew what the animal studies were going to show.
And now that we also know from the Pfizer documents themselves, Pfizer, Moderna, and the J&J shots, they say that they are only used to lower the amount of symptoms.
They're not intended to prevent infection, prevent the spread of infection, decrease hospitalizations, or decrease deaths.
Most people must, these people who've learned these things and know them and have investigated this on their own, must be allowed to say no or they are part of the experiment.
If this bill is not passed, everyone in this committee will have to be accountable for those people who are injured and died from these shots and are not allowed a chance to say no.
What will your life review look like?
For those of you who say that you're Christians, what will your life review look like at the end of your life?
Will the Lord say to you something like, you coerce people into being injected with this gene modification technology that irreversibly disrupts your chromosomes?
That has actually been proven.
And that now we know because of some of the ingredients, particularly the hydrogel and the metallic molecules that are in these shots, that this has got a bigger agenda.
So your job is to work for all Ohioans, not just those in big business and those promoted by lobbyists.
We know that up to 40% of people in Ohio alone do not want to take this shot.
They should not be coerced into taking the shot to keep a job.
And they should not have to make a decision whether or not to keep a job and keep a roof over their head and send their children to school because they are forced to be injected, either be injected or lose your job, over an experimental product that is covered by the 2005 PrEP Act, which gives the pharmaceutical industry and everyone involved 100% liability protection.
And the only way that you have any recourse to sue for damages, injury or death is to convince the U.S.
Attorney General That these products were created under an act of willful misconduct.
So it's your job to protect those Ohioans who want to say no.
And to preserve their choice for those who don't want it.
And don't shuffle the responsibility over to an employer.
Because I agree with a lot of what Mr. Moody said about the fact that employers don't have time to play medical doctor and be medical cops.
And for them to force an employee to get an experimental product that has not been adequately tested, is not FDA approved, and it hasn't gone through months and months of clinical testing, it hasn't, and we know that the injury rate is accelerating on a daily basis, is really, that makes this committee a participant in an act of willful misconduct, in my opinion.
Pass the bill to protect everyone in Ohio, giving them free choice, including business owners, that they do not feel like they are coerced into giving people the shot.
Please vote yes on SB 248.
I'm a little nervous because I'm talking really fast.
So, you are here to protect the people's God-given choice of what's going to be injected in their body, or not, against their will.
Thank you, and I'll take any questions.
Thank you very much for your testimony.
We'll start the questioning with Dr. Liston.
Thank you, Chairman.
Thank you for your testimony.
I'm a little familiar with your work, and I guess I wanted to just maybe build off something you said and give you the opportunity to talk a little more about it.
You mentioned a little bit of a bigger agenda and some willful misconduct, and really didn't Well, they have to prove willful misconduct to be liable.
Okay.
So if you get injured, in order for you to sue, there's no vaccine court for the COVID shot, right?
So there's no way for you to get compensation if you're injured from the shot.
So I guess, but building off of some of what you've said, that this is a gene modification technology with a bigger agenda, and then sort of thinking about things in your podcast, there's a pretty consistent theme that says that The COVID shot is part of a planned program of depopulation.
And I was wondering if you wanted to talk a little bit more about that in your work and in the podcast and sort of.
There has been no other product in the history of man, in any other industry, let alone healthcare and medicine, that has caused so much injury, so much damage, so many stated deaths that we know that is still full court press ahead.
So you really have to wonder what people are thinking.
If you can think of any other product in any other industry that has killed more than 5,000 people stated in the VAERS database, and even if only half of those are true, 2,500 deaths in six months of use, and it's still full court press, full steam ahead.
So it makes one have to wonder why.
Why are we still doing this?
Why are we putting people into nursing homes like that happened in New York and put people with known COVID into places like that?
Why are people being forced to take an experimental shot against their will in other countries, not just here?
So what is the real agenda here?
Do we know?
Do we really know?
If we've got most of COVID has gone away, we flattened the curve months ago.
And we know that on a global basis that this infection Has a less than 1% death rate?
Why are we full court press all physicians and committee members on this shot?
I don't understand it.
Okay.
And some of the discussions that you've had within... Well, and I would invite, honestly, you know, your podcast is enlightening in terms of the thinking, and I'd love to have the opportunity for you to share some of these, because some of it actually talks about the self-propagating Transmission, and I think that's been a concern that many, that you might maybe want to share about the transmission process.
Yeah, because the question came up, has come up for a while, you know, from probably when, you know, they approved the Moderna and the Pfizer shot for use in around December, and the J&J shot came online around February.
The AstraZeneca shot, which is what they use more globally, came in several months before that, starting primarily when we heard that the reports were out of the UK.
A lot of people started asking right away, can I be catching something from the people that have gotten this shot?
Are they shedding anything?
Now, historically, shedding has always been associated with live virus vaccines, things like chicken pox or oral polio vaccines or the rubella shot that, for example, if I get a chicken pox shot and it's a live virus, attenuated viruses that get into me, And if I, and that, some of those viruses can be reactivated inside of me because they do.
And then I can cough or sneeze onto the next person, and I can shed that, and we, that person can contract chickenpox.
That person contracts chickenpox.
They don't get measles.
They don't get the flu.
They don't get anything else.
They get chickenpox.
We know that up to 3% of kids that contract chickenpox these days do because they've been exposed to other kids, thank you, who have had chickenpox.
That's shedding.
That's live virus that's transmitting the same infection to somebody else.
Excuse me.
We started having reports From an Instagram page that came up, this was maybe six weeks ago now.
We kept hearing reports of people, like I get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of emails every single day of people saying, I now have this side effect.
Is this associated with this shot?
I had the shot two weeks ago.
I didn't have any of these things before.
I have neurological problems.
I can't walk.
I can't talk.
I can't do my job.
Well, there was a gal who posted, who was a friend of ours, who posted on her Instagram page, For some reason, I've always been, she's a hairdresser, I've always been very super regular with my periods my entire life.
Now they're heavy bleeding and clotting, and I can't explain it.
Is anybody else having this problem?
And within less than four, about four or five days, there were 11,000 people who had reported that they were having similar issues, including children, including post-menopausal women that had started to bleed, who were around a spouse that had had the injection when they had not.
And then we saw, there were people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s always had really regular periods.
Now they were bleeding all over the place.
We had reports of a 22, this was in a pediatrician's office, a 22-month-old child who had spent the weekend with grandparents who both had been vaccinated and started to have vaginal bleeding were passing clots the size of small eggs.
Now this has been happening all across the country, and we've been collecting this data, and we want, we're actually just, it's just data points.
It's just people talking about it.
So we talked about the fact that this wasn't really shedding, because first of all, what's being injected in the shots is not a live virus.
It's a piece of genetic material.
And the Pfizer and the Corona shots are injecting a piece of messenger RNA.
The J&J shot is injecting something called a transgene that can be incorporated into their DNA.
So we're not, there's no live virus involved with this in terms of the shot.
But something is being transmitted to somebody else.
We think, and I just read two more articles that came out this week, That suspect it's the spike protein that's being made in your body after you get one of these shots.
Because the spike protein is what the messenger RNA in the transgene has got a recipe on the front of it that's coded to make the spike protein.
The spike protein is then looked at inside of your system as a foreign thing, because it's a foreign floating piece of protein, but then you make the antibody to that.
The spike protein, and if you get a copy of my e-book, I've got the documented things here that I needed, I guess, the Chairman's permission to pass that out.
But there are about nine different documented in the medical literature problems that are being caused by the spike protein.
There was an article that came about four weeks ago now from the Salk Institute in Pittsburgh.
These were scientists that said that they created something called a fake virus.
It was like a bubble.
They stuck the spike protein on the surface of it from the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
And they found unequivocally that that spike protein all by itself with no genetic material at all from the virus, just the spike protein, was causing cardiomyopathies, causing hypertension, causing cardiac arrhythmias, And pulmonary artery hypertension.
And the scientists came out and said, why are we still doing this?
Every one of those shots injects 50 billion particles, 50 billion of messenger RNA into the body.
And then you get two of them.
Why are we still doing this when we know that what the messenger RNA does is it creates a spike protein that we have documented evidence now that it's causing health problems?
So just to be clear, the symptoms that you're talking about were reports that you're getting from people who weren't vaccinated, but who had been around others who had been vaccinated.
That's correct.
Lots of kids now getting bloody noses and bloody eyes, being around teachers that have been injected.
And they're now starting to actually look at, why is that?
And that's where the concept of something is being transmitted.
It's not shed.
It's not a full live virus.
Because the people aren't getting chickenpox.
They're not getting, if they get a, contract something, they're not getting COVID.
They're not getting sore throat, fever, cough, chills, body aches, you know.
Um, shortness of breath, all the things that go along with COVID, which is a collection of symptoms.
They're getting bleeding.
They're getting strokes.
They're getting heart attacks.
Um, I have a really good friend whose mother got a shot because she wanted to go to a nephew's wedding.
The dad, her father, did not get it.
Two weeks later, the father had a stroke.
These are, there's thousands of these reports.
Thousands.
And some of the information that I think Thank you.
Frequencies?
That was a thought.
Can you elaborate on that?
Because right now we're all kind of hypothesizing.
I mean, what is it that's actually being transmitted that's causing all of these things?
Is it a combination of the protein, which now we're finding has a metal attached to it?
I'm sure you've seen the pictures all over the internet of people who've had these shots, and now they're magnetized.
They can put a key on their forehead, it sticks.
They can put spoons and forks all over them, and they can stick.
Because now we think that there's a metal piece to that.
There have been people who have long suspected that there was some sort of an interface, a yet-to-be-defined interface, between what's being injected in these shots and all of the 5G towers.
Not proven yet, but we're trying to figure out what is it that's being transmitted to these unvaccinated people that are causing health problems.
So there's a lot of people that are working on it.
It's yet to be defined.
We've only been talking about it six weeks.
And these shots have only been on the market less than six months.
No long-term studies.
And now that they're going after the 12 to 15-year-old kids, what happens to 12-year-olds?
They go through puberty.
Has anybody looked at these shots at all of any of the girls that have already started their periods and see if they stop?
Are we going to do any long-term studies of looking at the 12-year-olds to see if they ever do start their periods?
We don't know.
Hasn't been on the market that long.
What about the little boys?
What about the little boys who are going to go through puberty?
Are we going to follow them to see if they actually turn from boys into men and they get facial hair and body hair and muscular and things like that?
We don't know, but yet we've approved it.
In full court press, we got over 2 million kids already injected with these shots.
I guess, final question, and I'm sure that others have questions.
In the podcast, it was mentioned by someone that you're referenced as a disinformation dozen.
Oh, we're part of the disinformation dozen.
Absolutely.
We love that.
Would you feel comfortable sharing?
We've pushed back on that really hard.
For those that may not know, can you explain what that is?
All the pro-vaccine people out there don't like our message.
They shut us down on social media.
I had almost 400,000 people on my Facebook page shut down.
137,000 people on my Instagram page shut down.
I just got told the other day that my blog, which is Happy Hour with Dr. T, which is a Bible study and Bible study verses, that I now violate the terms of service of Google for posting up Bible verses.
And now that's going to be censored and taken down.
I'm not the only one, because anything that sort of comes out that doesn't go lockstep with the propaganda message gets shut down.
We, a lot of us believe, this is like if you haven't read it since high school, you know, 1984 and the whole Ministry of Truth.
The Ministry of Truth says 2 plus 2 is 5, and you don't disagree with it.
In the book, you got killed.
Well, now they kill you on social media.
They call you names.
They tell you you're just spreading disinformation everywhere.
Except if you look...
At everything that I've done, peer-reviewed medical literature on every single thing that I said.
I have over 17,000 accumulated over the last 15 years, 20 years.
Over 17,000 articles pulled only from mainstream medical journals, not conspiratology.com, Not any of those sort of mainstream parent books, but from mainstream medical journals that show problems associated with vaccines.
We have them collected into a space.
It's called the Tenpenny Research Library.
It's completely free.
All you have to do is sign up and go in and look at it.
17,000 articles from mainstream peer-reviewed medical literature showing problems with vaccines, and we are the disinformation agents?
What about the physicians that refuse to look at it?
What about the doctors that won't say anything, that will say, oh, no, no, it has nothing to do with the shot.
You know, I gave you a shot, you had a seizure five minutes later, nothing to do with the shot.
You were predisposed to it somehow.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Before we move on, I'm going to remind the audience one time, another outburst, one person said something, and I will use one of you as an example and have you removed from the room.
Security standing right there.
Am I understood?
Representative Russo.
Thank you, Chair.
Right here.
Thank you, Chair.
Thank you for being here.
Listen, you've come in front of this committee as an expert in this space, so I would like to just understand a little bit about your background and your expertise and how you've built this expertise.
You said you're board certified in the state of Ohio.
Are you currently affiliated with any hospital emergency room?
No, but let me start from the beginning of that question, okay?
So, I graduated from medical school in 1985.
I did my postgraduate work in Detroit.
I went into emergency medicine.
I was board certified in emergency medicine, director of the Level 2 Trauma Center in Finley, Ohio.
I was the medical director of the emergency department for 12 years.
In 1996, I moved to Cleveland.
I opened an integrated health center there, which now I'm always proud to say that we've had patients from all 50 states and 18 countries come to our clinic to get well.
And I have three doctors in my clinic, four nurse practitioners, and a PA, a chiropractor.
And in September of 2000, I went to the National Vaccine Information Center meeting in Washington, D.C., came home and went.
I spent four days listening to doctors, lawyers, scientists, moms of vaccine-injured children.
There were probably 700 people at that meeting.
I came home and said, how did I miss this about vaccines?
I grew up in a chiropractic family, multi-generational chiropractic family, was not vaccinated as a kid, had all the age-appropriate measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, and I'm here to talk about it.
Okay, great.
So you're not affiliated with a hospital or an emergency room.
Do you have, you know, you talk about your body of research.
Is your research supported?
National Institutes of Health?
My research is review of the medical literature.
I don't do bench research.
And I never have and never will, and it's not that important.
Great.
So your research that you've put together, my background is also in research.
I spend a lot of time in the peer-reviewed literature and pulling information and working with students who do the same.
And there are a lot of things we can pull from the literature and put together and make any argument that we want.
But my question is, because you talk a lot about hypotheses that you have that are not completely proven.
Have you put these together, your body of research, your theories, have they been accepted by one of those peer-reviewed journals?
Excuse me, Dr. Tenpenny, please let the representative finish her question, and then when you respond, you work through me.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It just keeps protocol and objectivity.
I don't know about protocol, I apologize.
No, I appreciate that, but thank you.
That's okay, it's a little bit of a different setting here.
So my question is, have these, through the Vice Chair, have these theories that you have been published or submitted for publication in some of the same peer-reviewed journals that you reference?
As I was saying, thank you.
Thank you.
We've been talking about this six weeks.
Six weeks.
So have we had enough time to accumulate all the evidence and to pull anything together?
Not yet.
Are we planning to?
Hopefully so, because we've got top researchers all over the world that are also trying to figure this out.
It's been six weeks.
Follow-up, do you have a draft manuscript that you're working on to submit to peer review?
We're not, no.
We're working on trying to figure out what is being transmitted now.
But back to what you said about published research.
I'm not a bench researcher, never would want to be.
It's not my wheelhouse.
The information that we pull out from the mainstream medical literature, I've had multiple different people try to say, was I just cherry picking things and pulling things out of context?
And after they go through and look at what I've written, or they look at what we have, they go, wow, I guess I missed that.
I missed that.
I missed all those articles that were in JAMA, the New England Journal, you know, all of the different medical journals that just say, Clearly, this is a problem.
One more follow-up, Vice Chair.
So my colleague mentioned the disinformation dozen, which, my understanding, this was a list put together by the Center for Countering Digital Hate.
Because 65% of the anti-vaccine posts come from 12 individuals, and you said you were proud to be one of them.
I am.
My question for you is, there also are apparently 12 state attorney generals who have asked some of these platforms to remove some of this information because of its promotion of disinformation on COVID-19 and vaccine safety.
Do you have any comments about that action by the 12 attorney generals?
I do.
It's censorship at the highest level.
It's absolute censorship at the highest level.
I mean, because you say something's black and I say something's white, some attorney general needs to say, you're wrong, you can't say white?
I mean, if there is information that comes out of the medical journals and out of research and publications around the world, we're not allowed to say it because we say it's white and you say it's black.
So they need to shut us down and call that disinformation.
It's censorship at the highest level.
And where does it stop?
Where does it stop?
If it's not about COVID, where does it stop?
Where's that slippery slope that Jim Moody was actually talking about?
And what else can they shut down?
A quick question.
So as someone who is in the research, I mean, how do you propose that we move from our current state of, you've shared many different hypotheses about what you think.
Just about that one issue.
Okay.
Then what do you, how do you propose we move from hypothesis to actual established scientific evidence?
Excuse me.
Well, the hypothesis that I was referring to isn't about the damage being caused by the shots.
It isn't the experimental nature of the messenger RNA that's never been injected in human beings before.
It isn't the experimental nature of using a chimpanzee adenovirus, putting a piece of genetic material in it, and putting it into the human being.
That's not a hypothesis.
That's a reality.
The only reference I was making to about hypothesis is, what is this transmission?
What is happening to people who are not vaccinated, being around people who are, that are suddenly becoming very sick?
That's the hypothesis that we're trying to figure out.
Not about, there's, in my opinion, there's no hypothesis that these shots cause deadly harm.
Deadly harm.
And should not be full court-pressed advocated.
Businesses should not be in a position to force someone to get an experimental drug in order to keep their jobs.
They just should not do that.
I mean, it's not an FDA-approved drug.
You guys have all talked about the EUAs, and you know what that's all about.
You know what the 2005 PREP Act is about, that gives them complete liability protection, unless you can prove that product was made under an act of willful misconduct.
And I don't think businesses are covered by that liability, quite frankly.
I think that doctors, hospitals, nurses, people that administer the shot, manufacture the shot, and anything that has to do with what they call a covered countermeasure are protected by that PrEP Act.
I don't think Walmart is.
I don't think Target is.
I don't think DuPont is.
I mean, if suddenly now they are mandating someone to get a shot that causes that person to become very sick based on those mechanisms of injury or dies, where's their liability?
We've also heard cases of life insurances not paying because when people get one of those shots, there's a thing you have to release for them, you have to sign at the bottom, and if you read the fine print, It says you have given up every right to sue and you accept all liability for illness that comes from this because it's an experimental product.
We have reports of life insurance policies that are not paying out.
We've got lots of reports of health insurance.
If people get sick from these shots, end up in the hospital, from seizure disorders, heart attacks, whatever, insurance companies are going, well, you've signed up for that experimental product.
We're not paying for it.
Now, what's that going to do to businesses that now mandate a shot, an experimental drug, never before used in human beings, and now those people get sick?
What's that going to do to their rates for their insurance?
We don't know.
We don't know.
That's why it's so important to not mandate it and pass this bill and give people protection if they don't want to take this shot, that they're not going to be coerced and harassed by their employers.
And we're not going to put the employers at risk in front of OSHA and EEOC because we don't think they're covered either.
We don't think they're covered either.
And as a small business owner, I think I'd want to know that.
As a large business owner, I think I'd really be concerned.
Vice Chairman Holmes to Dr. Tenpenny.
What an honor to have you here.
Representative Gross, I'm sorry.
Vice Chairman Holmes to Dr. Tenpenny, what an honor to have you here.
And as the bill's sponsor, I'm very honored.
This is going to be a multi-pronged question, as my colleagues have taken quite a lot of
time.
Um, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me. I'm always happy to help. Thank you.
In my inbox right now, I have 90 organizations that say that they represent 1.9 million Ohioans.
We have already agreed that 40% of all Ohioans will reject the vaccine.
It is my supposition that of those 1.9 and those 90 organizations, as compared to the one Thousand people who have put in testimonies for this bill that there is a large majority of people that would choose not to get this vaccine.
Why do you think a large organization through an organization newly developed called the Vaccine Coalition?
Why do you think that they would sign a letter and send it to the entire house the Health Committee?
In the Ohio House of Representatives.
That's my first question.
And then if the Vice Chair would allow, we'll have a follow-up.
I'm not, I guess because I'm not privy to that letter, I don't know what it said.
I'm not familiar with what you're asking.
It says it basically opposes the bill.
I have no idea why anybody in their right mind, who thinks in their right mind, would want to oppose something that allows the freedom to choose.
And what is going to be injected into you that will permanently and irreversibly change your genetics?
We know that.
It's already been documented.
Why would you not want to give somebody the right to choose?
Of whether or not they would want that into their system or not.
It's not because once you vaccinate, you can't unvaccinate.
Once I inject that into your body, there's nothing to suck it back out.
If you start having lifelong side effects, I mean, there was an article that was published in January that said that the antibody that's created to these spike proteins Can cross-react with 28 different organ systems and tissue types in your body.
And the scientists, the chief scientists who talked about it, I actually called them.
They said, Sherry, we're in deep trouble.
Over the next 10 years, we're going to see rampant autoimmune disease from this.
I said, 10 years?
You think it's going to take that long?
He said, in the first three years, there's going to be a huge ramp up.
But some forms of autoimmune disease can take years to develop.
So the antibody that we're creating is causing health problems.
The spike protein that we're injecting is causing health problems.
Why anybody would not want to allow somebody to say no thank you when you've got a viral infection that has a less than 1% death rate?
And I'm going to take a little bit of a turn.
This has to do with nosocomial infections and the mandatory flu vaccine, although it's not the law in Ohio.
I also have evidence in my box about multiple, multiple, hundreds of healthcare workers who are not permitted to deny the flu vaccine.
They are forced to, or denied raises, or denied the opportunity to continue working for the flu vaccine, which I understand, according to my limited knowledge, is a 35% reliability rate.
It's less than that, but go ahead.
I would like you to correct me on that.
That's okay.
I would like to know Because my fellow medical colleagues in this room have asked the question about why I would not want to mandate flu vaccines or, shall I say, provide all three exemptions for healthcare workers, which is my personal reason why we are here today.
We have compromised our healthcare community for so long, since 2013.
They have been required to get the flu vaccine and coerced to get the flu vaccine.
Because they have been told that if they get the flu vaccine, then we will decrease our flu rates in Ohio, which actually have exponentially increased since 2013.
What is your view on mandatory flu vaccines in the healthcare environment around immunocompromised individuals, around Chronically ill individuals and all those things.
Because we are on a slippery slope already, which started, I would propose, with a mandatory flu vaccine for our healthcare community.
And now, because we're coming after all people in Ohio, now our community is getting more and more and more involved.
But we need to take care of our healthcare community.
Can you speak to that?
Sure.
I guess I can just talk to you.
Well, first of all, vaccines are designed to be highly specific.
In fact, the CDC will say that if, and we know this every year when we talk about the flu shots, we always get these numbers about the match, right?
Does it match?
What does that really mean?
When you get here on the 6 o'clock news, oh, this year's flu shot is only a 35% match, or it's only a 20% match.
What does that mean and where do those numbers come from?
Well, where those numbers come from is that the CDC has 120 different testing sites around the country.
That when people have the flu-like symptoms, body aches, fever, All the things that you would define as the flu.
If you go into one of those testing sites they take a nasal and a throat swab and they send it to the CDC to be tested.
They test, the CDC tests over 600,000 of those swabs a year.
And so the first thing when those swabs come through the door, the first thing they do is they say, is that person sick?
All those symptoms they're having, is it being caused by the flu or something else?
By the flu or something else?
Because influenza really is just caused by influenza viruses, and influenza vaccines, flu shots, only protect you against influenza So I looked at 20 years of CDC data, because the one thing our government's really good at is data entry.
So I looked at 20 years of CDC data, you know, about 600,000 swabs per year, and I said, when it first comes through the door, how many of those people out there in the community are really being sick by influenza viruses?
Over a 20-year period of time, looking at that data, it's just about 15%. 15%.
So then they take those swabs that tested positive for influenza, and then they subtest them.
And then they see if those viruses that came in on those swabs from out in the community are the same viruses that are in the flu shot that we're giving out in the community.
So if there's four flu shot, four viruses in the flu shot, and these viruses over here that they tested, if they'll say, well, it's about a 25% match.
It's about a 15% match because the people who are getting sick with influenza viruses aren't being protected by flu shots because they have to match.
And so that's why we have these dismal numbers that come out.
So let's say just for the sake of discussion, if it's 15% and then we subtype it and let's say it's 10% match, it's a
really bad flu year, it's 10% of that 15% or 1.5% of people that year are going to be protected by a flu shot.
So can you kind of see how flu shots don't do much?
Except unless you ask specifically for a mercury-free flu shot, you're getting a dose of mercury every year.
We do know that the shoulder injury related to vaccination is the number one thing being reported in the VAERS database that they are paying compensation to because of all the flu shots that we're now getting anywhere.
You can get them at Giant Eagle, you can get them at CVS, you can get them wherever you want.
And if it's only working 15% or less of the time, why are we mandating it?
And flu shots are going to do nothing for nosocomial infections.
I mean, what are nosocomial infections?
They're infections that people contract when they go into the hospital.
And what are those infections primarily?
They're bacterial.
They're staph, they're strap, they're pseudomonas, they're, you know, those types of aggressive types of bacteria most of the time.
Flu shots aren't going to do anything for that.
And if somebody doesn't want to, you know, it used to be, you know, that, I mean, we've now coerced people into getting the flu shot.
Talk to nurses, talk to them, who don't want to get flu shots, and they're forced to wear a mask.
All of their colleagues that have gotten flu shots that are coughing and hacking and blowing their nose and sneezing all winter long, but they don't have to wear a mask because they got a flu shot.
You know, so the dichotomy there is pretty huge.
And then the people, like, I had a nurse in Cincinnati who came to me and she said, well, since COVID, we all have to wear masks all the time in the hospital.
We have to wear them all the time.
So, and I don't want to get a flu shot.
So I went to the head of nursing and said, well, since I'm already wearing a mask, can I refuse the flu shot?
Because if I don't wear the flu shot, I have to wear a mask.
And since I'm wearing it anyways, can I, can I get out of getting my flu shot?
And the head of nursing said, no, you have to get a flu shot.
It's been a big hospital system in Cincinnati.
So what we have done to our health care workers is we make them chronically sick for no real protection.
We're not really protecting the patients and for that low amount of period of time and it doesn't do anything for bacterial type infections that you get in the hospital.
Thank you.
Representative Stewart.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks for your time and testimony.
I know we've had a lot of questions here.
I had, we talked, I looked at your testimony.
You said COVID shots will make you sick and possibly kill you.
I've looked through the additional materials we were given, how COVID-19 injections can make you sick, even kill you.
Former President Trump got the vaccine.
Vice President Trump got the, Vice President Pence got the vaccine.
Ted Cruz, Ron DeSantis, myself, thankfully we're still here.
For the record, if I've missed it here or there, of the five and a half million Ohioans who have gotten the COVID-19 shot through today over the last six months, how many do you believe have been killed by that shot?
Well, I guess I could just talk to you.
So, I don't know.
I do know what's been reported in the VAERS database, which we know is somewhere between 1 and 10% of actual numbers.
You know, 5,200 deaths reported to date, most of them from the Pfizer shot.
But here's the thing.
We're all looking for acute reactions.
You know, there's four categories of how these injections can make you sick.
The first category is what everybody wants to see.
How many of those people dropped over dead?
We don't know.
That's anaphylactic shock, myocardial infarctions, and strokes.
But the problem is, is that the long-term consequences of having this spike protein and the antibody to the spike protein remains to be seen.
Why?
We have no long-term studies.
We haven't studied this for two or three or five years to know what happens in that period of time.
We've got bench research scientists that are talking about we're going to have rampant autoimmune disease for years to come.
So when you say, Seem to be fine.
Today, I would say, say your blessings, count your prayers, and at least right now, because here's one of the biggest problems that I think is going to happen this fall.
When you get that antibody to that spike protein, and you get that antibody to the coronavirus, there is something that's called antibody-dependent enhancement, that when you get re-exposed to coronaviruses in the fall, because remember, four garden-variety coronaviruses cause up to 20% of influenza-like illness every year.
When you get re-exposed, there's a process that's called antibody-dependent enhancement, that you get horribly sick and even die.
And that's what happened in the animal studies, is when they got those shots, they were fine, they had a high antibody response, they said, yay!
That's what we're looking for, a high antibody response.
And then they re-exposed the animals to coronaviruses.
And all the animals, all the mammals, rabbits, hamsters, mice, ferrets, and Monkeys.
Okay.
All right.
Cutting to the chase, you don't have any evidence or data to suggest that anybody has died to this point.
You believe we're going to die in the future?
No.
We have the VAERS database tracking system.
We know there's 57,000 reported deaths in Europe.
We know there's tens of thousands of reported deaths in India.
But here in Ohio, specifically to Ohio, the data doesn't break down that specifically.
Okay.
Follow-up, Mr. Chairman?
Can I just finish that thought?
Because the antibody-dependent enhancement is really important of what the potential is for this fall for people that have gotten these shots.
That's important.
We've talked almost exclusively about the COVID shot, obviously, but this bill is not related.
This bill is not limited to COVID.
It also would touch on all vaccines, including measles, mumps, and rubella.
Measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines have been around since the 60s.
There's a 90% adoption rate amongst Ohio children.
Do you discourage your patients from getting the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines?
I just tell people what the... I give them fully informed consent, which almost no physician does.
It's safe.
It's effective.
Just because it's been around since the 60s doesn't mean it's harmless.
And we know that the measles itself, the death rate for measles was 2 per million the year before the measles shot came to market.
So the death rate for measles was negligible in the 60s.
It's not any higher now.
So what I do is I give my patients fully informed consent.
I tell them, here's what pertussis is, here's what the measles are, and on and on and on.
And then they can decide.
Do you think your patients should get the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines?
I personally think that people should have infections when they're kids, like I did.
I mean, I'm 63 years old, and I'm perfectly healthy.
And I actually personally attribute a lot of that to that I had all the age-appropriate infections when I was a kid growing up.
And most, I think, most of the people in here that are my age probably had similar things.
Is that another way of saying you advise people not to get the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines?
I tell people, give people fully informed consent and then they can decide on their own whether they think
measles is such a deadly thing that they should get a vaccine for it.
Representative Gross.
Chairman to Dr. Tenpenny.
A point of clarification.
HB 248 does not abolish all childhood vaccines as of it has been reported by the Vaccine Coalition.
It contains the law and maintains the law which is currently in place and that allows all K-12 students to have exemptions to those vaccines that have been exempted in Ohio since the 1970s.
It does not abolish any vaccines.
It does not prevent mandating vaccines, which does not mandate, does not equal forced.
It does require that all parents get informed consent.
It goes on to also allow college students the freedom to choose.
Would you again just reiterate that what your view is on informed consent?
What is that?
And do you believe that all parents, in order to make an actual educated decision, should know all of the law?
Not just that mandated vaccines are there, but that they also have three exemptions in Ohio.
Absolutely.
Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely, they should.
And I've often wondered, I have an entire collection, probably eight or ten letters at home from various school districts that say, you must get your child vaccinated, it is the law.
There's nothing on the backs of that paper that says, or sign an exemption form and turn it in.
So parents think that it's mandatory, all these shots are mandatory, and they have no choice.
You know, given a choice, I think that, you know, Paul, there's a pediatrician, Paul, out in Oregon.
I mean, he gives patients fully informed consent.
Paul Thomas, thank you.
And that he, most parents pick and choose.
They don't feel like, you know, they don't really feel like polio is necessary because we haven't had polio in the Western Hemisphere since 1991.
So why do we give kids four polio shots?
They don't think the flu shot's necessary.
It's not a big deal.
You know, the kids are older.
Why do we have to get a pertussis vaccine?
Because pertussis is only a really serious illness in children less than three months of age.
And so they, once they understand what the illness is about, they kind of pick and choose.
There's a small subset of people that say no to all of them.
There are parents who pick and choose, or they want to spread them out, or spread them apart, or things like that.
But parents will say to me, well, I have to get my kids a shot.
It's required.
Look, I got this letter from the school system.
It's required.
It's mandatory.
Well, not in the state of Ohio.
Is that something new?
No, it's been around since the 70s.
Oh my gosh, I had no idea.
And then they end up with the kid who gets a bad reaction.
Boy, I could tell you lots of those stories in my practice.
School's not responsible.
School lied to them.
It's the parents' responsibility to dig through those laws and to know whether or not they could refuse.
So having inside of this bill that the parents know that they have a right to choose or pick and choose or say no to all of them is part of fully informed consent.
I mean, if you don't know that you have a right to refuse, how can you consent?
And isn't informed consent Doesn't that imply you have the right to refuse?
Doesn't that imply that you have a right to not participate in an experimental product that has no long-term studies?
Shouldn't you know what could potentially happen when you have one of these shots?
And then if you say, well, you know, I'm really more concerned about COVID.
I had three family members that died of COVID.
I want to get the shot.
Fine, go get it.
But if I know otherwise, I don't want to get it.
And that should be my right to bodily autonomy and what I can do with my God-given body.
I don't want that disrupting my genetics for the rest of my life.
Now we're actually even talking about infertility.
You know, infertility because we know the spike protein can immobilize the sperm and it can attach to the ovaries.
Is that going to be a real problem in the future?
We don't know.
Giving it to 12 and 15-year-old kids, are they going to ever develop?
We don't know.
No studies.
Just give it.
Committee, any additional questions?
Dr. Liston.
Thank you, Chair.
Thank you.
Just to actually then piggyback a little bit over the end, the spike protein is the protein in coronavirus, right?
So the spike protein is the, you know, everyone's seen the pictures.
There's four proteins on the surface of the coronavirus.
Yeah.
So the vaccine is and the protein that your body makes in response to the vaccine is Analogous to the protein or it's the same protein as what is supposed to be the coronavirus, right?
So getting infected by coronavirus your body makes antibodies to the spike protein as well, and you're actually getting the spike protein.
But there's four garden variety coronaviruses and all of them have a spike protein on them.
The SARS-CoV-2, which is the name of the actual virus that gets infected, the idea behind the manufacturers was that that spike protein on the surface of SARS-CoV-2, it's like a key that hooks to the ACE2 receptors that opens the door and allows it to come in and start to replicate, right?
So the idea, the concept was, Well, if we can create that spike protein in the body and force the body to make an antibody to that artificially contrived spike protein, then in the future somewhere, if you get re-exposed to SARS-CoV-1, that specific strain, then it should block that spike protein and not allow it into the body.
We don't know that that's really true or not.
That's what I'm trying to clarify, or make sure we're on the same page with.
If you get infected by SARS-CoV-2, then you also have received the spike protein in your body, and you are making antibodies to that spike protein.
Yeah, but those are neutralizing antibodies to a whole virus.
These are non-neutralizing antibodies to a protein that's been artificially contrived in your system.
Sorry, I'm confused on the non-neutrified.
Well, no, because your body makes antibodies.
And when you get the, you know, this, this protein is the same protein that is on the virus.
So you're getting, when you get infected, everything that you're talking about is potentially the same.
But the actual science shows, and this is why the death rate is less than 1%, because most of us have been pre-sensitized to garden variety coronaviruses somewhere in our life.
So our B cells are already primed to create a little bit of antibody when SARS-CoV-2 comes around.
And what they actually show in the science is that if you just have a little bit of antibody that comes out from your memory B cells, because you got exposed to garden variety coronavirus somewhere in your life, That that antibody quickly neutralizes the SARS-CoV-2 actual virus and makes it go away.
And the science shows that if you have a really high antibody reaction, you have a worse illness and it lasts longer.
If you have a really short antibody response, it neutralizes the virus right away.
And that's why the vast majority of people who got SARS-CoV-2 in the last year and a half, Recovered uneventfully.
They stayed home.
They got sick for a few days.
There was some people that went to the doctor.
There's a smaller subset that ended up in the hospital and an even tinier subset that ended up in intensive care and some of those died.
But the antibodies we measure are the spike protein antibodies.
When you look at, you know, immunity and we're measuring them, they're the same.
I guess I'm confused as to why you're saying that there's more complications from the immune response related to the vaccine than to...
I just explained it and it has to do with the amount of antibody that's created.
Really high antibody response, more illness, sicker and worse outcomes.
If you get a little bit of antibody response because you have an animistic response from being Exposed to coronaviruses in the past, it neutralizes the infection and makes it go away.
That would imply that people would get sicker when they got the vaccine than when they get the disease acutely, when the antibodies are made.
When they get re-exposed.
When they get re-exposed.
Which is not what's been seen, right?
When people who are vaccinated are re-exposed, they are certainly not getting sicker.
Oh, yes, they are.
Oh, yes, they are.
We can talk more about it some other time if you'd like.
Okay.
Committee, additional questions?
Thank you for being with us today.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for the opportunity.
Committee, you've seen that we've allowed way too much time.
I've had committee members text to me, time limit, hello, and etc.
So we are not going to make it before the 12.50 cutoff.
So we will hear, I believe, two more witnesses.
And much to my regret, it's not something I'd like to do.
Committee will be adjourning at 12.50 and will be reconvening at 3.30 p.m.
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