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May 31, 2021 - Jim Fetzer
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The Real Deal (29 May 2021) with Doug Auld
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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal.
Well, I'm very pleased to have the opportunity to interview Doug Old, who is my guest, on The Raw Deal yesterday, where technical glitches interfered.
Doug is world famous for his paintings and sketches, including a series on whistleblowers, a hundred whistleblowers, where I'm very pleased to be among them.
Doug, it's a great opportunity to have you here.
Thanks for joining me today.
Jim, thanks so much for having me and giving me an opportunity to share my artwork, my paintings, and a little bit about the new musical that I had recently written.
So, thank you very much.
My great pleasure.
How did you get into this to begin with, Doug?
I mean, it's fascinating what you do.
It's interesting.
I don't really have much of a background for it.
I started Going to technical high school for auto mechanics, you know, welding, carpentry, all hands-on stuff.
Being that my dad was a car dealer and I would naturally take over, you know, working at the car dealership and being a mechanic and then eventually a service manager and on and on.
That was the plan.
My brother Greg one day invited me to see the Doors play in Philadelphia.
Which was an eye-opening experience for me when we went down there and I was introduced to the, you know, in a live setting into the world of music and culture at the time and became fascinated with it.
Bought an organ, started practicing, created a band, played in CBGBs, did all sorts of stuff like that.
And so now I jumped over into the music world.
Being that I did that, and I had mechanical abilities, I had a German piano tuner come to my house, and a really great guy.
And I asked him, how could I learn to tune pianos?
And long story short, he said, well, you'd have to go to a school in Boston.
And I said, no, can I learn from you?
And he said, I can't teach you and I can't pay you.
I said, I'll work for free.
And in a very short fashion, I think within a Maybe a week or two, he started paying me for the work I was doing, and I became a piano tuner, a piano rebuilder, which would put me around music now, full-time, rather than auto mechanics.
And things grew from there.
Another thing my brother Greg did was, he took me to see the Salvador Dali Museum.
At the time, that was in Cleveland, Ohio.
And that made a huge impression on me.
So my brother Greg having a lot to do with these moments of uh deflection for my life and um uh so then I got a little bit frustrated with the music world and dealing with band members and moving pianos and doing all that stuff and I I left the music world went into painting and what I enjoyed about painting is it was a way for me to be creative and a way for me to do it by myself without the dependence of any other
People involved.
And so I really took to the idea of sitting in front of a canvas and making something from scratch, some sort of creativity.
So that's really how, in short fashion, I walked up into the life of creativity and into painting.
Well, Doug, I think it's terrific.
Why don't you take us through a survey of your gallery?
You have done so much.
Terrific quality.
Thank you very much.
You can see here on my site, this main picture here, which a good friend of mine, Pierre, who sadly passed away last year from a heart attack.
Pierre took this photograph.
We were in the process of making a documentary that had to be cut short.
But he took this photo that I've left up there.
This is the studio that I live and work in.
And what you're seeing there are some Paintings of Burn Survivors.
I took on a very ambitious art project, which was to paint 10 or 12 large portraits of people who survived burn injuries, and I'll get into that a little bit later.
Let me take you down the site, and as people can see, my name is Doug Auld, and my website is dougald.com so it's myname.com if you want to go to my site.
I did a series of paintings on whistleblowers.
State of Grace is my paintings on burn survivors.
Celebrity Portraits is my series of surrealism and I also have a series called Religion in Uniform which I want to go over.
So now we go down into those who blew the whistle, which is a project I started.
I wasn't sure how open-ended it would be, but I wanted to make a major statement on how people such as whistleblowers made an impression on me and should make an impression on everyone.
People, these are people of courage that step forward and illuminate situations and information.
To the general public, and we should all be indebted to them, whether they're misguided or not in their reach, they have put themselves in a risk situation and often in peril through their job, through their family, and any number of things, their reputation.
I use this Robert Kennedy quote up here.
Few men are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, The censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society.
Moral courage is rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence.
Yet, it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world which yields most painfully to change.
Jim, I'm sure you are well aware of that.
So, we go through... And I'm a great admirer of Robert Kennedy.
And his brother and Muhammad Ali of Bill Russell's are in my pantheon of all-time heroes, along with many others you feature here, Doug.
I love what you're doing.
Thank you very much.
And people can read the project history on here.
And then there's another great comment here by Margaret Mead that I love.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.
Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
So we'll move on.
So here's the series.
I painted 100 portraits because I wanted to make a substantial comment.
There are so many different whistleblowers in so many different areas and of topic.
You know, from medical to industrial to, you know, any number of things.
I also include a great number of black ops and UFO topic people that I've been involved in the UFOlogy topic for many years.
You know, it's becoming somewhat above board right now, but I don't trust that entire agenda and we'll talk about that.
So anyway, we have You know, starting here, I felt JFK for his amazing speech on secrecy.
I'll make that a little bit larger so people can see it.
His amazing speech on secrecy and covert actions and everything like that was an incredible thing.
It's amazing.
You don't hear People talk like this anymore, but he really went after it and tried to say that in a free and open society, we shouldn't have secrets.
We should be able to express ourselves and we should be able to hear the information that is gathered.
And for that and other reasons, he paid the ultimate price.
Yeah, and some of those other reasons get quite amazing when you look into it.
Are you familiar with the dark journalist, Daniel List?
Do you know him, Jim?
I don't know Daniel List.
Many here in your gallery, of course I do, but Daniel, I do not.
Okay, well I'll talk about him at some other point.
Of course, we have Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Who I know, I personally know somebody who worked with him for quite a while, and Dr. Edgar Mitchell has had a lot to say about alien life, Roswell.
He knew people there, he knew a lot of people that lived in Roswell, and he's a fascinating person that has contributed a lot in that area.
Of course, we go over here to Susan Lindauer, who you know, regarding 9-11, and I was, you know, compelled to include her portrait in the series.
Jim, I'll go through them, and you just stop me when you have a comment.
Well, Susan's terrific.
I do shows with her.
She invites me on as a commentator frequently, probably three of the last five or six weeks, for example.
Great, I'm hoping you speak to her again, you share this with her.
I'm not sure how many of the actual whistleblowers I've painted have seen their own portraits.
That would be interesting to me.
We could jump, this was someone that was recommended to me to paint, who was very instrumental in this disclosure also.
Of course, you know Frank Serpico, so There's somebody from law enforcement and never, you know, many people know the movie with Al Pacino playing Frank Serpico.
Marcia Coleman out of Bayou is also somebody who was a whistleblower, I believe, in the industrial area.
In fact, I usually include, you can see here, I include Bayou's and the high price of whistleblowing on the EPA.
So, you know, you can see You can see the description of why I chose them.
And I just want to say to everybody that I chose these people sort of to submit to the viewer to do their own inquiry.
My dream was to see this series of work in a major museum or institution, all hundred portraits with their titles under them and let people go to each one of them and And question, you know, raise inquiry about, well, who is this person?
I never heard of this person.
Why are they here on this wall?
Let me look them up.
Let me do a little research.
And that's where a lot of this would be learned about.
Phil Schneider, of course, has an amazing, he's a lot on the internet with him.
Amazing story about underground tunnels and Alien life and a firefight and all sorts of stuff that's really hard to believe until you hear enough of the information on it and see the wounds he had.
He had his fingers blown off and all sorts of stuff.
So, I feel that all these kinds of people, they paid with a lot of sacrifice, and that's why I wanted to put them up there.
There's no way for me to vet or prove any of this stuff, and that's part of the domain of this work, is that it's speculative and it's going on these witnesses' word and testimony.
Dr. Brian O'Leary, who spoke about alien life, an astronaut, Karen Silkwood, of course.
I'm sure you're well aware of Karen Silkwood, who lost her life, related to the nuclear power industry.
Yes, yes, a very, very courageous woman again, yes.
Absolutely.
And to let people know that these are all hand-done oil paintings on 9 by 12 inch panels.
My wish was to make so many of them in small format so that they could be hung together as one installation.
I view the 100 Portraits of Whistleblowers as one work.
One complete work.
So I didn't break them apart.
I haven't wanted to sell them individually.
I've had some offers for a painting of here or there.
I don't want to do that.
I want the whole series of work to stay together and in the right moment of time, should that happen, and a buyer or an institution or a museum wants to, wants to, you know, acquire the series, it will all be intact.
Dr. David Kelly, Jim, you know who that is?
Yeah, he was, wasn't he about nuclear or spy?
Yeah.
Yep, regarding nuclear information.
Of course, Ken O'Keefe, who Ken and I spoke a while ago.
I haven't spoken to him in about four or five years and we spoke a while ago.
I know he's been a very, very big activist and anti-war activist and just somebody that wants to reveal truth.
I know, Jim, you know him.
He was the Master of Ceremonies at an event I presented at Friends House in London in 2010 on debunking the War on Terror.
My Master of Ceremonies, Kevin Barrett and Gillad Otsman, the celebrated saxophonists and political activists, were the other two speakers.
Gilad is an Israeli, correct?
Yeah, yeah, Israeli-born.
He's a critic of Zionism, actually quite brilliant and devastating.
Yeah, I've read many of his articles and he is quite a critic.
And I think that speaking the truth beyond your apparent ties, be it religious or country, is a rare commodity, which I think is great.
Commander Sergeant Major Robert Dean.
A lot of the ufology world know about him and know about his disclosure of high-tech ET equipment and the whole related thing.
So I'm not even sure if I have a bio up still on him.
Yeah, but yeah, here he is, Robert Dean.
There's a whole assessment on him here that people can go to and read about.
So, and a gentleman who I've become more and more of a friend of, which is Bill Ryan, who started the Project Avalon.
Of course, Kerry Cassidy created and Bill created Project Camelot and then Bill went off on his own to create Project Avalon and he's done quite a service with bringing people together from all over the world to have input and to write articles or write commentary and, you know, I go there and I pick up
Articles and news from Europe, from Russia, from everywhere.
Whereas, you know, it's a bunch of very inquisitive people who are interested in the truth and pursuing that.
Yeah, I don't know Bill, but I've done several interviews with Kerry, including about Las Vegas with Scott Bennett, who is a former Army intel and PsyOps officer.
Right.
Do you know Dr. Stephen Greer?
I do not, but of course he's extremely well known to the world.
Dr. Greer just released a, well first of all he had done, and I think it had something to do with the same timing of 9-11, which is funny that these things happen, but Dr. Stephen Greer was the head of the Disclosure Project, which happened in the Press club in Washington DC.
And he had a whole panel of people that under oath were willing to come in front of the camera under oath and testify what they knew about the ET equation, UFOs, back-engineered stuff, incursions into nuclear power plants and missile silos.
None of it was ever couched in a threat-oriented manner.
It was about the fact that these objects were seen and documented on radar.
Missiles went down.
It's hard to believe that a lot of people don't know about this.
You know, missiles that were set and ready to go, or at least online, We're all taken down in a row by orange object objects and orbs floating over the missile silos.
So he had all these different military people and witnesses to this come on and testify and you would have thought Jim that this would have been on the six o'clock news and it was completely left out.
No information on it and it never got any traction.
Anyway, a few more minutes on Dr. Stephen Greer.
He just released a video counteracting, and that's just recently, like two weeks ago, putting a counterpoint to this dialogue that's going on right now.
You're seeing UFOs absolutely everywhere on the news.
Everyone's covering it.
It's getting larger and larger.
And now it's above board.
And Dr. Greer is trying to say that they're couching this in an aggressive manner as an alien threat.
And the threat word is the thing that's motivating everybody.
And the threat word, of course, if you can catch something in the threat and make the American people feel frightened, you can raise dollars for it.
You can do a big fundraiser.
You can, you know, manipulate people when they're frightened.
If you're going to say that they're benevolent beings that have yet to do anything to us and they've been watching our skies for a long time, how are you going to sell anything?
It's not a threat.
So Stephen Greer, to the knowledge I know, is responsible for trying to tamp that down and say that there is no evidence that these These beings are of any threat to us and if they were, I would have thought by now they would have been able to do something if they wanted to.
So that's a great question, Mark.
Gentleman here, I don't, you know what?
I didn't put his name up and my friend, a friend of mine wanted me to put him into this series because it was a sad story and I'll have to get that up.
I'm sorry that it's not up there.
I don't even remember because I painted the I painted it about three years ago, but this gentleman was murdered because he knew a little too much about something.
You know, a lot of these whistleblowers, you know, didn't live after they came out with their claims.
He's not Christopher Hitchens, the reporter who was killed out in California?
No, no, no, not Christopher Hitchens.
No, it was somebody from New York City, and I'll have to look that up and find that.
I don't have it offhand right now.
William Cooper wrote the book Behold a Pale Horse, and that was quite a bit about all the hidden technologies and all the hidden secret societies and so on.
Now we have over here someone you would know, Jesse Ventura.
Yeah, Jesse and I know each other well.
He, when he was governor, Came to Duluth when I was teaching on the Duluth campus of the University of Minnesota to talk about.
A public-private aquarium, but my first book on JFK assassination science had just come out, and he arranged for me to be there and spent 45 minutes talking with me about it.
Then after he, when he went to Harvard as a visiting professor, he invited me back for a guest lecture, which may be the only JFK assassination conspiracy lecture ever presented at Harvard.
When he had Jesse Ventura's America, he invited Beverly Oliver on, where Beverly was known as the babushka lady, filmed the assassination from the side opposite the grassy knoll, saw Jack's brains blown out, and Omri Wright, who was the ambulance driver who transported the body to Air Force One and helped to lift it into the bronze ceremonial casket and reported feeling that large defect at the back of the head.
I was there to explain how the government, the Navy medical officers, had concealed the blowout by patching the x-rays and then subsequently Jesse would fly me out to Ventura County for which he chose his name.
For a reenactment of the assassination where I made sure it had the right distances and angles of elevation, but where we used three bales of hay to be stationary vehicles for the shooting practice, three repetitions of three shots each.
Out of the nine shots, Doug, he hit the target once, and not in the timeframe that was allotted, where Jesse, the far superior marksman to Lee Oswald, the Mannlicher Carcata he was using was in very good condition, whereas the one that was attributed to Lee was rusty, and experts wouldn't even handle it until it had been completely rebuilt.
So I'm a huge fan of Jesse Ventura.
I've even thought he might make a great candidate for president.
Jim, weren't you in the military and a shooter, a marksman yourself?
Yeah, I was a Marine Corps officer, and at one point I supervised recruit training in San Diego with 15 DIs and 300 recruits under my command, going through the train cycle, including marksmanship training at Edson Range, where Lee Oswald received his own training.
So, I mean, I knew for a certainty about how Inadequate as shot was Lee Oswald.
Totally mediocre.
And the whole idea of the three-shot scenario is completely preposterous, as all of the collaborative research I've done on JFK has sustained.
But that's a very obvious.
The more subtle are the altering the x-ray, substituting another brain, revising the Zapruder film, a host of other ways in which the government manufactured evidence.
To support its fictional account of what happened at JFK.
Yeah, quite incredible.
I was 10 years old when I remember when that happened.
And it was, I knew, I mean, I was a young kid, but I knew something, something paradigm shifting happened back then.
Here, here is a painting of Bob Lazar.
Now, Bob Lazar is highly controversial in the UFO and UFOlogy world.
He's mostly Associated with Area 51 and working at Area 51 or S4, their other base.
And it's quite amazing when you get on this topic of Area 51, it was denied for ages and ages until somehow, I think, maybe it was Barack Obama or someone made mention of it.
And somehow now today, every school kid knows about it.
So, you know, people go, oh, come on, they don't cover things up.
Well, yes, they do.
They do cover things up.
Area 51 is a reality for a very long time and now no one seems to deny that Area 51 exists.
I've of course read the report on Area 51 by Vannevar Bush who was Eisenhower is a scientific director, and I'm convinced something did happen at Roswell.
I'm no expert in the area of discovery, but I have seen video that appeared to be grey, small creatures actually resembling very much the figure in the family film E.T.
that appeared to be authentic.
And I find quite interesting your observation about the idea of trying to turn this alien presence into a threat.
Their technology, if they had the ability to come to visit Earth, is obviously so superior to ours that if they were a threat, if they wanted to take out the human race, they could have done it long since.
But the public won't even think things through to that extent.
It can be played too easily by propaganda, as we've just witnessed with this coronavirus pandemic.
Absolutely.
And you know, we've gotten to a tipping point in society with technology that has blurred the lines, make it so easy to blur the lines.
I mean, to the point where if you see ufology photos from the 40s and 50s, they're more convincing than the new photos because the new photos can be digitized and faked so much easier than the old photos before we had digital photography.
And now we have We have so much ability to put doubt in the minds of people so that, you know, the second some people see something that doesn't fit into their comfort zone of believability, they're going to dismiss it.
And so all you got to do is say, oh, that's CGI.
And then they're out the door.
They don't believe it anymore.
Whereas the old cameras with film that had to be developed was Yeah, 100% correct.
check and verify. So, you know, I always, I always talk to my
son about the fact that my dad always told me pictures don't lie. And, you know, in today's world, pictures do lie.
Pictures lie very easily. We don't even know who we're looking at
half the time with deep fakes and everything like that.
Yeah. A hundred percent correct. I agree completely.
So, Bob Lazar, you know, has been dragged through the mud as a fraud and a phony, and he was never there and he
He doesn't even have a degree and he never worked there.
Yet the guy has been telling the same story to this very day.
You know, he works in a scientific, I think he sells scientific equipment and chemicals and chemistry things.
You know he's been on Joe Rogan within the last three or four years and I don't know I mean you know I'm amazed when somebody sticks to something.
They say follow the money and yet there's really what money is in it for him to follow this story.
He'd actually make a ton of money if a reporter came along and said Bob would you admit that you've been making this up all along and we'll get to scoop on it.
He'd make millions on that yet they don't do it so I'm I'm very fascinated with the Bob Lazar story, be it real or not real.
Colin Andrews is somebody that I know.
He's also in ufology and mainly doing a lot of investigation into crop circles.
I don't know if you know much about Colin.
Well, I certainly know the stories about crop circles.
And some of them have been fake, but I'm not convinced they're all fake, so it's a curious thing.
And you have me at a disadvantage on ufology, because I've done much less research in that area than virtually all the other major areas of conspiracy research together.
Well, don't worry about that.
You get a pass on ufology.
What are you going to do, cover everything?
But Colin, I think I'm pretty sure Colin, uh, you know, met the king and queen and I mean in England and, and, um, uh, I'm pretty sure he was the first person to coin the term crop circle.
And I met him and he's got a couple of books out that are very good, a great man.
And I've really enjoyed knowing Colin for many years now.
Um, so.
I'm sorry, I lost the screen there.
Not a problem.
Not a problem.
Okay.
And yeah, I know the Clifford Stone.
Clifford Stone was one of the Sorry, the military people who testified about the UFOs seen over the missile silos.
And that was very, very compelling.
I think he's the one who talked about the missiles going down and he testified to this.
And there, again, these people were willing to testify under oath in front of Congress, under oath, testify that their stories were true.
And I don't think they ever took them up on it.
And, uh, isn't it funny that that was all the way back in, I believe, 2001, and now we're all the way to 2021, and ufology is all over the news right now.
So, um, Donna Hare.
Donna Hare, who I know, who, uh, we've, we've, we've spoken.
Her job was to airbrush the, uh, anomalies out of the moon photographs.
So they would have moon photographs, and they'd They said they found spires and man-made things on the moon and objects that didn't belong there.
And she testified to the fact that she was given the job to airbrush them out.
And so... Yeah, I've done several interviews with experts on the moon landing, including one who said that in the moon footage, there's a Corvette buried in the ground there.
So, you know, that would be the sort of thing she would have airbrushed out.
Yeah, well she airbrushed a lot of different things out and she had quite a story about the things that were seen and there and in fact if you actually examine some moon, I haven't touched the moon topic in a long time, there's so many things to think about today and issues that are going on but I remember going through very, very high detailed photographs and you could see these like contraptions just airbrushed out.
You could see the work of the airbrusher airbrushing this out.
If the moon was a dead place, And nothing was there.
Why do you have to airbrush anything out if it's just craters?
Well, we have photographs of footprints in the moon dust, which I believe is so dry because the moon lacks moisture, it would be impossible to make imprints.
It would be like making a boot imprint on the sands of the Sahara.
So, you know, one way or another, because we also have photographs of a lander where there are no tire tracks in front or behind or in the middle, suggesting it was put down by a crane.
But what's most interesting in one of these photographs of an astronaut blueprint is there's also, with it, a photograph of a sneaker from someone on the set who accidentally stepped on Stepped into the dust.
I've done a lot on the moon landing, actually, Doug, and I even have a book on it, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either.
I think I remember that book that you had, Jim.
I mean, it's, you know, again, my whole efforts with my artwork are to pose questions more than answers.
That's what it really does, is it poses questions to so many things.
If you just Take a look into this and just study this and think about it.
It just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't necessarily mean we didn't go to the moon.
It just means that the story doesn't make sense and if we went to the moon and we went to the moon the way we were told, then there should be a Logical succession of things that make sense.
Yeah, I can guarantee you we did not go to the moon.
We didn't have the propulsion power to escape low Earth orbit.
We didn't have the computer power to navigate.
In fact, the computer is shown in diagrams for the alleged Trips to the moon is not even a functional computer.
We didn't have the communication capacity, 250,000 miles.
You look at the footage and Houston is talking to the moon as though we're right next door, and it may well be.
That was literally the case.
And also, I mean, they never really thoroughly explained the Van Allen belts.
Right, right.
It would have required several feet of land, and of course that was preposterous on the spaceship, but the whole thing is a fantasy.
Well, all right, we'll move on from there.
Let's see, and another very fascinating person, John Lear, of course, who is probably one of the main One of my gurus of personalities in conspiracy theory type stuff is John Lear.
Well, I know John and I've interviewed John and I have an affidavit he did in relation to 9-11 research about how it was impossible for a Boeing 767 at that altitude To hit a twin tower, it would have physically come apart in the air.
You can find his affidavit at 911scholars.ning, n-i-n-g dot com, where I have the forum for Scholars for 9-11 Truth, which I founded in 2005.
I do remember reading that document.
It was quite compelling, and he's a person, an expert in aviation and in aeronautics, and He would know and he talked about that and he just said it was impossible.
It couldn't have happened.
So there's again, so many questions that we have about all this stuff.
It's just unbelievable.
And that's what I wanted to express with these works is that here are these people that have these claims.
I mean, maybe I can't prove Anything to the right or to the left?
I just want to put them up for people to examine.
Michael Rupert, right?
You know Michael Rupert?
Only indirectly, because in his From the Wilderness newsletter, he published a piece I co-authored with John P. Costella, who's a PhD in physics.
Who assisted me not only in research on JFK, but about the plane crash of Paul Wellstone, which turns out to have been done using an electromagnetic field to pop the computerized components on the plane to guarantee it would crash.
John and I were tramping in the snow at 35 below zero weather, picking up pieces of the charred fuselage, and would publish a piece, thanks to Michael Rupert, entitled The NTSB Failed Wellstone, which I believe is the most copiously documented short paper in history.
It's like four pages long with 130 references Doug, anyone who wants to check it out, you can still find it online.
The NTSB failed Wellstone.
Wow, okay.
I think Michael Rupert allegedly took his life.
So, that was that.
Well, my opinion would be these two, you know, prominent figures who are supposed to have taken their own lives were suicided, you know.
I mean, Like the Mayflower Madame, you know.
I mean, she even explained she wasn't about to commit suicide.
Nancy, we know she's hanging in the shed, you know.
It just happens all the time.
Far too often.
Even the Clinton body count alone is around 200.
Yeah.
So, you know.
I doubt very much Michael Rupert actually committed suicide.
I expect he was taken out.
Here Tom DeLonge from Blink-182 the band is the sort of the I would say he was he's sort of the person responsible for the resurrection of this entire alien thing among younger people and I you know I've looked at their organization and to the stars and There's a lot of like shady stuff going on in my mind, a lot of shady stuff with the people that got this going on stage and sold stock and claimed that they have all sorts of authentic things coming and on and on and I think this is Chris Mellon of the Mellon family is involved and a bunch of other people that we were all excited about hearing when this first came out because of course
Anyone studying ufology is still trying to prove to their friends that they're not nuts, that they're studying something that's got content and, you know, reality to it, and it just seems like it's not.
And so, you know, they're like, you gotta be kidding me.
You think any of this stuff exists?
And I'm like, yeah, I do.
I think we've had this information for a very long time.
So Tom got this going with a bunch of generals and military people, and the organization is called To The Stars, and they keep shape-shifting and changing, and then they're an entertainment company, then they claim they're not about disclosure.
So I haven't followed it for a long time, but I think It's one of the organizations that is moving towards this alien threat agenda.
So we'll move off of there.
Jeremy Korbel is a filmmaker who's very, very in the news right now.
He's the one who's showing all the footage.
He's the one releasing the footage of the The triangles above the ship, the Navy ships and all the rest of this stuff.
And he's sort of at the forefront of the release of this stuff.
I saw him on Tucker Carlson a couple of weeks ago and he's doing the news rounds.
And again, I just, you know, Jeremy seems to be a nice enough guy.
I just don't like the wording.
You know, when He says, it's so obvious that you can see these UFOs swarming the ship.
Well, why swarming?
What's the word swarming?
They're not swarming, they're just above the ship in the air.
So, it's choice of words and threat and all this stuff that I'm highly suspicious of in this domain.
How about Richard Hall from the Rich Planet Program in England?
Do you know Rich at all?
Well, is this Richard D. Hall who did the Flight 173?
He's a brilliant guy.
He actually solved the problem of what it was witnesses were observing approaching the South Tower.
We've already mentioned John Lear observed it was Impossible speed, the plane would have come apart, but it was also an impossible entry.
You have the plane simply disappearing its whole length into the building in the same number of frames it passes its whole length in air, which is preposterous unless a massive 500,000 ton steel and concrete building provides no more resistance to the trajectory of an aircraft in flight than air.
What he did was to study, there's some 52 videos, he found 27 were precise enough to enable him to plot the location of the image as it was approaching the building.
He discovered there was a similar plot that the NIST had provided based on radar data, but he thought the radar looked fishy.
He discovered there actually was radar data, but when he compared it with his plots, The plane it was tracking was 1,200 feet to the side, and what he reasoned through, and I believe these exactly right, it was projecting a holographic image.
In fact, I was sent a manual from an Australian military Manual for an airborne holographic projector, which explains the impossible speed because the plane was flying faster to keep the hologram, the image intact.
And of course it would enter, it wouldn't show up on radar because it wasn't real, but the real plane would.
You'd hear the real plane, you'd think it was the sound of the image.
It's fascinating stuff.
In fact, there's an extended discussion of this among other issues related to 9-11 right now on the UNZ.com website, where I have a paper, What's Wrong With Conspiracy Theories?
Doug, that's generated 950 comments, including a lot of efforts to try to sustain the official narrative of 9-11.
This is a brilliant guy.
Yeah, and he often works with another gentleman that I have painted on here, that we'll get to Andrew Johnson.
Andrew goes on also a brilliant guy who goes on his show very often.
The two of them take on every topic.
It's called richplanet.com.
And I've listened to it.
I'm more enthusiastic about Richard than I am about Andrew.
He and I collaborated about, I interviewed him about the New York Times
collation of the 500 witnesses.
Some saw large, some saw small, some saw military, some saw commercial.
But because although I featured Judy Wood on my radio show 15 times and was instrumental in getting her research out to the public, I don't believe Judy got it right and that she's ignored more relevant evidence that if she were truly scientific would cause her to revise her opinion.
And as a consequence, some of her closest supporters such as Andrew Johnson, Tom Potter and others have attacked me over and over.
Which, you know, it's the politics of science, as it were, about a loaded issue like 9-11.
Well, as an observer, a citizen, an observer, and a non-scientist, I've always felt that I've taken a look at everything.
I read Dr. Judy Wood's book, and it's incredibly extensive.
And there's an amazing number of photographs that don't make sense.
The toasted cars, you know, why an engine block would melt in a car does not make sense to me.
And there's a lot of things that don't add up.
So I always thought to myself, it's quite possible that there was a multi-pronged op here to make this thing happen.
That would cover their tracks on a number of different investigations.
Well, obviously, I thought she was doing worthwhile work, or I wouldn't have featured her 15 times.
15 times, right.
Yeah, and you're completely right.
I mean, her blog, for example, and much of it wound up in the book, is just a brilliant compilation of photographs, diagrams, studies, sensational work.
Now the sort of thing I'm talking about is the following.
What we're witnessing is the buildings blowing apart in every direction from the top down.
All the floors remain stationary, waiting their turn to, in the memorable words of Morgan Reynolds, to be blown to kingdom come.
For Morgan's a close associate of Judy, and by the way, it was Morgan and Judy who convinced me as the founder of scholars,
took them a year and a half to do it, to take a close look at whether or not
real planes were hitting the buildings, where all of us are in agreement about fakery
of the planes in New York City, and where the buildings are being converted
into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, and when it's over, there's no stack of debris,
which would be the case if there were any kind of collapse.
In fact, we know classically, you have a debris pile equal to 12%
of the height of the original, in this case, 110 floors.
There should have been 13 and a half floors.
We had that with Building 7, which was 47 floors, all of which came down at the same time, and then you had a debris pile of five and a half or so, equal to 12 percent.
What Judy has not been willing to consider is that the U.S.
Geological Survey did a study of dust samples from 35 locations in lower Manhattan and discovered elements That would not have been present had it not been a nuclear event.
Barium, strontium, lithium, lanthanum, tritium, some of which only exist in radioactive forms.
And I submit that in fact the nuclear hypothesis, which has also been much discussed on the UNS review, Thread can explain the data more adequately than Judy's directed energy weapon hypothesis.
But as I say, I take it seriously.
And I have held Judy in high esteem.
And when I organized the Vancouver hearings, even though she had cut me off years before, When she and John Hutchison together had appeared on my radio show, and where John has made claims about levitating heavy objects and so forth in his garage, which is a bit of a stretch.
I asked him about his background in physics, since this is in the area of electromagnetism among the most complicated, and he just brushed me off by saying he'd flunk crayons and coloring books, which Judy thought was hilarious.
But since I asked him that, Judy cut me off, but nevertheless, when I was organizing the Vancouver conference, I wanted her, I invited her, I invited John.
John actually had accepted when Judy discovered and cut him off, so.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm open to all points of view and discussion, and you'll find some of that going on right now on the OONS Review.
Yeah, I'm gonna read that again.
Yeah, I mean, this is very, very hard material for the average person to grasp.
Oh, of course, yeah, 100%.
I mean, very, very hard.
The average person is going to say, what do you mean there were no planes?
That's like... Well, yeah, and literally everyone will say, but we saw the planes.
Well, we saw what we took to be planes, but they were performing physically impossible feats.
Right.
That's one that sure signs that what you're seeing is not real, but an illusion, and the question becomes analyzing how it was done, where this guy, Richard Hall, really sorted it out.
Brilliant guy.
Yeah, okay.
I think this gentleman here, Dr. Andrew Molden, let's see what he was up to.
I think, obviously, oh, vaccine.
Dr. Molden dead.
Oh, that's not correct.
So, I have to update these bios.
I haven't gone on here in a while to do so, but he was eliminated for some whistleblowing about vaccines, and this was a long time ago, so you can imagine that I should really update my information on that.
David Adair is a fascinating guy, also in ufology, who has an incredible story about being in Area 51.
And being asked to help to fix a engine that they had from a, or a power plant they had from a saucer.
And he discovered when he climbed on the engine, that the engine was a living thing.
It was not just an engine, but it had like a chromatic, like almost like the way if you're blowing bubbles with children's bubbles, that um chromatic coloration of and you on the surface of the bubble it would sense his hands and everything about him so it was almost like a bio engine that um that he was trying to help them figure out and it's quite a story David Adair's story is quite something um here's Danny Sheehan uh the attorney um for a lot of this ufology world I think he's
He may even be, I think he's the attorney for the Disclosure Project and for all the rest of that stuff, so he's a... He looks like a rock star!
Yeah, Clark McClelland of NASA.
You know, it's funny, my brother and I remember him when we were young watching the launches, and we remember Clark McClelland being interviewed, and he has been Completely marginalized in the entire story and he tells stories of a very large alien being in one of the shuttle bays with the shuttle when the shuttle went up.
So, these are all people that made a great impression on me.
Natkam, do you know that name?
I do not, Doug.
Tell me.
Yeah.
She, let's see, she has Israeli whistleblower, Natkam Fried from Israel.
So she's a whole thing.
She blew the whistle on top secret IDF documents which exposed targeted killings of unarmed Palestinian suspects and other war criminals.
Well, I certainly commend her for doing that.
The Israelis have treated the Palestinians with such brutality that, of course, it's been an international human rights outrage for 40, 50 years.
I mean, it's unbelievable where the latest slaughter, onslaught in Gaza is only the latest incarnation.
It's a shame to see this thing still going.
For so many years, like you said, and you know, it doesn't seem to have a resolution or they just don't want a resolution, whatever it is, but it seems to fuel so much of the world's, you know, continual antagonism and war just seems to be at the bottom of it all.
It was tragic, Doug, but the ultimate solution for the Zionists, including Bibi Netanyahu, would be to load all the Palestinians aboard a ship floated out to sea and sink it.
Yeah.
This gentleman here, I think we all know, and Jim, I happen to like this painting.
It's a very strong painting, as a painting, because what I love is the brush strokes, the marks, the fact that you can see my hand and my decision-making in it.
And it's one of the paintings that I really like of my series.
You know, other than who the people are and what they've done and what their story is, there's also my opinion of my own painting itself.
And that's one of the paintings that I enjoy.
I'm just extremely pleased to be in such sensational company, Doug, and that you selected me among the hundred.
I'm very, very gratified by that.
Thank you.
We'll just go through these.
William Tompkins was another UFO tied in whistleblower.
I spoke to him before he passed on as an older person.
I spoke to him about, I don't know, maybe it was about six years ago.
We spoke on the phone for a little while and he worked for a major industry, aerospace industry, and he even drew up the designs of ships and things that we have that we have no idea about.
I mean, Extraterrestrial ships are old and things that can leave the planet and so on so.
Of course, Dr. Kevin Barrett, a friend of yours and somebody you've been involved with many times, correct?
Oh yes, yes.
Kevin and I even had a show together called the Dynamic Duel on GCN.
We've done many things.
Kevin, as I mentioned before, was a speaker in London.
He was also a speaker at the Vancouver hearings.
We go back quite a long way.
We first met in 2006 At a 9-11 conference held in Chicago and have become, you know, very close allies and collaborators ever since.
I was I was to a 9-11 event, two of them in the city, and he was downtown in the downtown area in New York City.
And I met him there and said hello to him at one of the 9-11 conventions.
So I do remember meeting him there.
I don't think he was a speaker, but he was in the back taking notes and I recognized him.
We'll move through these a little faster.
Just to mention one further note about Kevin.
I've been involved, you know, I was sued over my Sandy Hook book for a purported defamation and it was handled in a completely improper way, in violation of statutes and protocols for summary judgment, leading to, even though the basic issues in the case were disputed, which means it had to be sent to a jury, nevertheless a judge ruled against me.
It was sent to a trial for damages.
Kevin was there.
And published a completely brilliant take on the trial.
It was entitled The Legal Lynching of a Truth Seeker, Jim Fetzer's Stalinist-Style Show Trial, also on Oon's Review.
And I gotta tell you, if anyone's interested in what happened to me, what Kevin Publisher captures exactly, the spirit of the trial, There's a sequel to that in terms of the appeals that have taken place where Ron Avery, who's created an archive about the lawsuit, has published a piece, which you can find on my blog at jamesfentner.org, but I'm forever indebted to Kevin for the masterpiece of capturing exactly what that was all about in this wonderful piece.
Again, as I say, you can find it on OONS as well as my piece about I'll make a note of that.
I want to read that without a doubt.
Anyway, we'll move a little faster through a lot of these because I'd like to speak about some other issues, but I have Jacques Vallée, who's a very well-known participant and author in the ufology ET topic.
Dr. Fred Bell, who is marginalized, so to speak, for his discoveries and things.
This is a personal friend of mine, Chris Bledsoe.
He's somebody that had the most compelling, I met him by listening to the most compelling ufology experience you could ever imagine anyone having.
And I went and I met him and actually went and visited him and stayed at his family's house in Carolina.
And Got to hear the whole story from him, from his family, his children, who are all grown now.
And I use a little bit of Chris's, the story that he told, I appropriate a little bit of the information of that story or the breadth of it into my musical that we will talk about.
Grant Cameron is one of the most well-known ufology People and researchers.
He's had his own encounter with something called Charlie Red Star up in Manitoba, Canada.
And he was just a regular guy ready to go to college.
And with a bunch of friends in the back seat of a car, they would just take this trip and they had all heard that there's this odd thing in the sky that everybody's seeing.
And he got in the car and Went up and with a whole carload of friends they finally saw it and it was like absolutely remarkable and it was so easy to find.
It was there for a while.
They were even taking boatloads of people up in cars and going up there in groups and watching this thing dance along the ground.
This red bull jumping up and down and sitting over their car and Coming in and moving out and going fast and shooting away and coming back.
Quite amazing, and it was such an impactful thing for Grant that it changed his life.
I mean, he's been chasing that ever since.
It's absolutely amazing.
Dr. Robert Wood, who's in that field of ufology.
We mentioned Kay Griggs the other day, who Who was married to a very, very high level Pentagon type person who had a propensity for speaking a little too much when he was drinking.
And she got, she has an incredible story.
And she actually reached out to me and thanked me for doing this series of work, which I was shocked about.
I mean, I was thanking her and she said, no, no, your, your work is fantastic.
Thank you from all of us for actually doing this, and I appreciated that very much.
Wasn't she revealing satanists in the military?
I mean, it's actually quite a story here that Kay Griggs had to tell.
I mean, here it is.
It says, the top paragraph, for 11 years, Kay Griggs heard all the messy details from her military husband, usually while he was drinking, before going into one of his stupors.
She goes on and on to, I think this thing's in the way, let's see, first going public in 1998 in an eight-hour video interview with a truth-seeking Michigan pastor and FM radio broadcaster.
She now is back after 9-11 to warn Americans to beware of the evil lurking within the highest levels of government, bound and determined to destroy America.
Wow, boy, does that sound timely!
So, She is quite a brave woman, so amazing there.
And Dr. Michael Sala, who is someone I didn't meet, but is a very, very good friend with my other friend Dan Willis, who's current right now and is doing a lot of work.
This gentleman we spoke about the other day, Ronald Bernard, Who is in the banking industry, a Dutch banker, who got invited into the high elites and put in front of the group of people that were inviting him to take part in some really underage illicit stuff with children.
And it's the scariest stuff you'll ever hear and how he managed to get himself out of that and, you know, subtract himself from it.
It's quite a story and I would tell everyone to, if they go to my site, to look up Ronald Bernard and his bio and hear the videos and hear his story because it's, I'll tell you, wow, it's unbelievable.
Let's just jump around here.
There's this gentleman, Barry Greenwood.
I don't know if I did anything on him earlier.
Jim Mars, who you knew.
You want to say anything about Jim Mars?
Yeah, Jim was just a terrific guy, a real newsman, and of course his book, Crossfire, on the JFK assassination was one of the two, along with Jim Garrison's, On the Trail of the Assassins.
Sources for Oliver Stone's magisterial work JFK.
Jim and I knew each other fairly well and we co-authored a book about the backyard photographs identifying the Dallas police officer with ties to the CIA who had been the body double for Lee Oswald When he had been shown one of these by Will Fritz, a homicide detective, investigating the case, at least officially and nominally, he said that was his face pasted on someone else's body, that with time he'd be able to establish it because he knew something about photography.
Well, of course, he didn't live long enough.
But Jack White, Jim and I, and now Larry Rivera have indeed confirmed, we even know the fellow who stood in, who was a cop by the name of Roscoe White, where Larry has done a superposition of bodies.
He's much more muscular across the chest than Lee.
So when you do a superposition, Roscoe fills out the clothing, Lee does not.
Where Roscoe appears in addition to have been responsible for assassinating as many as 50 witnesses from Dealey Plaza.
Wow.
Wow.
All right.
I mean, real quick, we have Richard Dolan, one of the real researchers in ufology that's very, very respected, highly respected, not only ufology, but in false flags.
I don't know if you know that, Jim, but Richard's done a good amount of work in False Flags.
He's an historian and a very well-researched guy.
Got George Knapp, who's a newsman who's very active right now in ufology and everything.
Ties in with Bob Lazar and Lou Elizondo and all the people that are releasing all this stuff right now.
So there's a lot of questions.
As to, again, I'm not going to go over it, but there's a lot of question to this alien agenda, this thing that they've going on right now.
Philip Corso wrote a book, Military Guy, about the back engineering and the recovery of downed UFO craft, which is quite amazing.
Linda Moulton Howe, although I met Linda and she told me that her eyes are blue, not greenish brown, but that's okay.
Linda is an amazingly researched person and has a great blog and great newsletter and everything like that.
Carol Rosen, who I also know, worked with Lorna von Braun for a while.
She was the one who, she's very relevant.
She's also working in Russia.
She's also working to try to get a agreement among nations to not weaponize space.
To try to keep weapons out of space and she's, she's really been working hard on that.
You don't hear enough about her and what she does.
I think, I think the Russian government has agreed to that or is, you know, ready to agree to that.
And they're looking into who else is going to agree to it.
So it sounds like a lofty, wonderful thing.
It's almost impossible for me to think it will happen.
And so, but she and Wernher von Braun, who came over here in Operation Paperclip, which a lot of people aren't really aware of, went after the war in 1945, Germany.
We brought 1,500 or some number of German scientists and engineers and so over to the United States.
We brought them in, many of them.
I mean, I think we just forgave the war crimes or whatever.
I think the thinking was we would rather have them work for us than work for Russia.
And they came here and they were the original creators of NASA, which were, you know, and Wernher von Braun and Herman Oberth and all these different German scientists were, you know, here working on our space program.
Doug, you're spot on.
Wernher von Braun in the mid to late 60s led an expedition to the Arctic to collect moon rocks that had Been dislodged from the surface of the moon by the impact of small asteroids caught in Earth's gravitational field and brought down in the Arctic so they can produce them as evidence that we had gone to the moon.
They were bona fide moon rocks, but they'd not arrived on Earth by the mode of transportation alleged.
That's fascinating, Jim.
I didn't know that, but I do know that Wernher von Braun, when asked about going to the moon, described a missile that we would need that would be larger than the original Nova.
Which was larger than the Saturn V5, the largest Saturn missile that we had.
He said we need at least three spaceships that were larger than the Empire State Building.
That's right, I do remember that.
Well, Carol testifies to the fact that he told Carol that the last card that they're going to play on you The last card is going to be the fake alien invasion card.
And he told Carol that before he died.
Yes.
And it may yet be coming.
Some worry that the new emphasis on disclosure is the way the groundwork for the alien invasion scenario.
Yeah, and that's where it almost seems like it's going.
Listen, we could talk for hours on all this.
Real quick, I'm just going to click through a few other paintings people could see.
David Icke here, Gary Webb about guns and running guns and drugs and stuff, and Harry McCopolis.
I think he's the one who busted, this gentleman is the one who I believe busted the Bernie Madow scam.
That whole financial thing, that whole, you know, pyramid scheme that he made all that money off of.
Kathy O'Brien is another A compelling person.
I don't know if you know the... I've heard Kathy O'Brien speak, and by the way, I admire David Icke, who really called out the fake pandemic early on as a method to wipe out the middle class and small businesses to promote the Great Reset.
This guy's quite a brilliant iconoclast, very controversial, but I hold him in high esteem.
Yeah, I do too.
Over here, Kevin Schipp, ex-CIA agent, whistleblower, so-and-so.
Another witness, here's a military guy who witnessed the recovery of a UFO in Peru.
Very, very fantastic testimony.
That's like amazing.
This gentleman here, Max Spears.
I followed a lot on him and he had warned his mother and people around him that he would never commit suicide but that agents were after him and he was found murdered.
So what does that tell you?
Stanton Friedman from Ufology.
Here is Wilhelm Reich who came up with, you know, many, many, many years ago came up with alternative energy systems and I think something called a cloud buster, but I'd have to go over the information on him again.
This is probably the oldest whistleblower, General Smedley Butler.
Do you know that name?
Of course, a two-time Congressional Medal of Winner, most honored Marine Corps General in history, he would eventually publish a book, actually a booklet, entitled War is a Racket, explaining how during his whole career, the Marine Corps, the U.S.
military, had been used to promote the interests of big corporations, and he found it all disgusting.
He was also solicited by anti-FDR A businessman who wanted to have him lead an overthrow.
Smedley played along with him so he could learn who was involved and then testify to Congress, but none of them were ever arrested or indicted or punished.
He was a great man, maybe our greatest of all military figures.
Well, I'm glad I included him in my series when I read up on him at the time.
I'll mention this gentleman, Rob Bill it right now, because we actually spoke recently.
I sent him a photo.
He loved this painting.
He is the attorney who busted the DuPont thing with Teflon, where they were pouring all this polluted stuff into the rivers in the middle of the country, wherever the town was.
And this gentleman who was a cattle raiser, rancher, had all his cows dying and they were dying of horrible
diseases and tongues falling out and terrible teeth and this and that and he took the case on
and he won it and he won this against against Dupont. That's a pretty brave and determined guy.
So you can see we have whistleblowers in all different areas and industry right there.
I don't know if someone's ringing my bell.
Ignore that.
Let's see.
I don't want to go.
That's Andrew Johnson.
This is Lou Baldwin, a friend of mine.
Do you know James Corbett of the Corbett Report?
Yes, I've actually interviewed him.
He's quite a brilliant guy.
I'm a huge fan of James Corbett.
Really, really good.
Yeah, I think he's in China.
I think that's where he lives or in Japan.
Maybe Japan.
But I know that he's not on the mainland here and he has quite a bit to say about things.
Very perceptive and brilliant.
Yeah.
Then we have Sybil.
Civil Edmunds, Major General Albert Stubblebine, I've gotten here.
I'll tell you, just let me just speak about Stubblebine.
He and I did a show together where I went through all the evidence of how each of the four crash sites on 9-11 had been fabricated or fake.
Stubblebine, of course, had been in charge of U.S.
military intelligence, especially photographic Stumbled by not only agreeing with me about all four cases, but added additional reasons why I was right.
Wow, amazing.
Of course, this is somebody I admired, our first Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal.
Yes, and thrown out of a window at Bethesda Naval Hospital because he wasn't going along with an agenda to corrupt the Department of Defense.
Yeah.
That's true.
This is Thomas Drake.
William Binney, who I think you may know, who I'm very impressed with his contribution to... I am a huge fan of Bill Binney.
He's our leading cybersecurity expert, one of the best in the whole world.
He was instrumental in exposing the Russia hoax in that, in fact, the files had been downloaded in real time directly from the DNC servers.
where, you know, he was, he's played a very important role in any number of arenas, and I'm,
I admire him beyond words. I also do, I admire him quite a bit. Anyway, I mean, it goes on and
on and on, we could just keep going. This is Bradley Manning before he decided to be Chelsea
Manning. And I, at the time I painted him, when I chose to paint him, he was Bradley Manning and
for his whistleblowing about the Iraq war and, and so on.
We'll see you next time.
We have here Gary McKinnon who testified.
Do you know who Gary McKinnon is in England?
That name is so familiar.
Fill us in.
Gary McKinnon actually hacked into the Pentagon computers from England where he lived.
They say he's an Asperger's or a autistic person.
Very bright kid.
He got into the Pentagon computers and he found a list of non-terrestrial officers and a name of a couple of ships that we did not have in our Navy.
And so, okay, so what are these ships that are not in any of our, in the logs of our Navy?
Uh, what are the names of these non-terrestrial officers which gave rise to the UFO community looking into the idea that we have already been off planet.
And, um, and this verifies a lot of stuff.
The interesting thing, Jim, is he was in, in, in terrible fright of being of extradition to, uh, uh, United States to be, to hold, to be, uh, to have a trial held and they let it go.
And I found that interesting.
For some reason they let it go.
Maybe it would have brought too much attention to the topic.
Um, but anyway, um, John E. Mack, a UFO researcher and who really brought, he's, he's a Harvard, if I'm not mistaken, it was Harvard.
Um, and he really got dragged through the mud by Harvard for taking on the idea of, um, UFO experiencers, ET experiencers, people who claim To have been abducted and so on.
Johnny Mac is very, very big in the research of those people.
Of course, Jim, you will know this gentleman, Julian Assange.
He was one of my whistleblowers added to my series.
Travis Walton, Paul Hellyer, ex-Defense Minister of Canada.
Who also is on board telling people that ET is real.
I mean, these are a lot of people over the years who are putting their name and their reputations on the line to say that there are visitors from other worlds coming here.
Let me jump over to Wolfgang.
We talked about Wolfgang the other day.
He was a real amazing guy in my eyes.
Wolfgang Halbig.
Well, he's a dear friend of mine.
He's a former Florida State Trooper, former U.S.
Customs agent, former school principal, nationally recognized school safety expert.
Wolfgang and I traveled To Sandy Hook together in 2014.
We spoke before the Newtown School Board.
We visited the location of where the school had been and any number of efforts.
He's been very persevering and he's been attacked repeatedly for his efforts to expose what really happened at Sandy Hook.
It's ironic, Doug, because Wolfgang Got into this with the purest of motives.
He started reaching out, making phone calls, FOIA requests to find out what happened at Sandy Hook so he could explain to other school districts what steps they should take to make sure it did not happen to them.
And before he knew it, there were two detectives from the local precinct on his porch in his gated community in Florida, telling him they were there on behalf of the Connecticut State Police, and if he didn't stop asking questions about Sandy Hook, he would be prosecuted.
Well, he's a bit of a bulldog.
He didn't take that well, and he's been very persevering with a lot of significant developments.
It's incredible that a man like that, and we spoke about this already, that in the time of his life where he could relax and play golf and enjoy The sunny Florida weather with his family and all would take this on if it wasn't something wrong with this story.
And I always tell people, they're like, oh, come on, you got to be kidding me.
I've even had an argument with a good friend and rightfully so about this.
It's very hard to believe and to understand that the story isn't what the story appears to be.
And I just look at these, all these tests, all the testimony of all these people that have painted and This is only a small sampling of the whistleblowers that we have.
If I was still doing this series, I'd be up to 300 or 400 by now, if I was still painting this.
But this series of 100 whistleblowers represents all whistleblowers, whether they're involved in this series of paintings or not.
The topic is representational of everybody that's put efforts into this.
Just to touch on a few other people, About some of the topics we talked about.
We have April Gallup of 9-11, who walked out of the Pentagon right out of it, right?
Out of a hole blown in the front of the Pentagon.
Looked around, saw no signs of any plane having crashed there.
She's terrific.
She's terrific.
We have Chris Bolin, who's done an immense amount of work on The Israeli art students and Israel's involvement.
Chris is sensational on the politics of 9-11.
He's not as strong on the science, but he's wonderful.
I'm a huge fan of Christopher Boliv.
I've met him.
He's a great guy.
He's so well-researched on that topic.
Of course, we mentioned Kerry Cassidy, Dr. Judy Wood.
How about Aaron Russo?
Do you know Aaron?
Well, I do not know him, but he's done very good work before he was taken out, you know, including revealing a conversation with one of the Rockefellers describing years in advance of what would happen in New York on 9-11.
Yeah, I remember that.
I, you know, most of these people, of course, I've studied when I decided to paint them, but it's hard for me to recall what everybody's done unless I did.
Sure, of course.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, Jeffrey Sterling.
Who, who if I let me see quickly see if we have anything American who's an American lawyer and former CIA employee who was arrested, charged and convicted for violating the Espionage Act.
There's all sorts of stuff here.
And, and anyway, that's, like I said, everyone can go to my site and go look into each one of them.
Catherine Austin Fitz is dynamite.
She's Got the Solari report, which is on the internet right now, you can look at, and she's fantastic.
Yeah, she's explained how whatever it is that they want to inject us with, it isn't medicine, and therefore doesn't qualify as a vaccine.
She's been very outspoken.
A champion, along with Judy Mikovits, and Sherry Tenpenny, and a number of others, in exposing the fraud of the coronavirus pandemic.
I have a new name for you, too, on that topic.
Somebody's name is Dr. Peter McCullough, and I just saw a new video released on him.
And wow, is it amazing.
I mean, he basically simply spells it out that the COVID agenda was about the vaccine.
It's all about the vaccine.
And he even said, and he's not in our school of thought here, he even said the only Way he can rationalize the reasoning why they want everyone jabbed is a marking system, a tracing system, and a march and step system.
No, it's much more sinister than that, I'm sorry to say, Doug.
Sherry Tenpenny has described the contents of the mRNA vaccine, the Pfizer-Moderna, as a perfectly designed killing machine.
And Luc Montagnier, who is a French virologist, one of the world's leaders and a co-Nobel Prize winner, has said everyone who receives the vaccine will be dead within two years, that there's nothing that can be done about it.
And I find this tragic because I have five dear relatives who've taken the shot.
My closest friend in Madison has as well, and I'm just afraid what they're telling us is true.
It's rather frightening.
I don't know if I can wrap my head around that idea yet as of now, but this Dr. Peter McCullough already mentioned that we've got four Roughly 4,000 deaths from the vaccine and thousands more in hospitalized.
Deagle.com, which is a very well-connected military industrial website, projects the future populations of nations in 2025.
It says the U.S.
population will drop from 330 million in 2020 to 65 million in 2025.
You ever hear of the Georgia Guidestones?
Oh, sure!
They're projecting that the world population, see, shouldn't be 8 billion approximately what it is today, but 500 billion.
That entails the elimination of 750 billion people.
7.5 billion people.
I mean, just think about it.
This is what they're embarked upon.
This has got to do with the Great Reset.
Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum, check it out, because this is what they want, what they're planning, what they're trying to bring about for the planet Earth.
And I imagine we've all been hearing Bill Gates chiming in on this for years.
Gates is just a monster, a complete monster.
He ought to be arrested, prosecuted, tried, and punished to the severest extent of the law, along with Anthony Tony the Rat Fauci, who's going to go down in history as the greatest mass murderer of them all.
He'll be responsible for more death and devastation than all of our foreign enemies combined.
Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Edward Hirohito.
Fauci will exceed them all in the damage he's wreaking upon the United States and the world at large.
You know, the only reason why I have a sister, my youngest sister, is still with us on their planet Earth is she was diagnosed with AIDS probably close to 45 to 48 years ago and the only reason why we still have her and she's thriving and doing well is because I personally kept her off of AZT at the time.
I learned From a guy that I was working with at the time, that was the head of Alcoholics Anonymous for Gay Men, and he said, Doug, they're dropping like flies here, and I think it's AZT killing them, not HIV.
You were right, Doug, and Fauci was involved in that scam, and think of it as a pilot project for the coronavirus and the vaccine.
It's unbelievable.
It's just unbelievable.
So real quick, you know, I have Robert Steele, Robert David Steele, who's very active.
Well, Robert David Steele and I have done two major projects together.
We collaborated on his memorandum for the president on Sandy Hook.
Which involves about 30 different presentations on Sandy Hook.
Very brief, two, three or four pages.
You can find that on his website.
Look for the Presidential Memorandum on Sandy Hook and you can find other documents there as well.
And then we did a sequel for the President about 9-11.
And I brought both of the contributors for Sandy Hook and half of the contributors for 9-11.
These are very important.
And the very bottom, we'll finish this off, a good friend of mine, a great guy, Dan Willis, ex-Navy guy, ex-ABC newsman, very knowledgeable about, he has a great site called thewebmatrix.net, N-E-T, thewebmatrix.net.
If you want to see a history of amazing information of the history of our Our situation quite different than what people would know about.
He has it and he was part of the Disclosure Project many years ago with Dr. Stephen Greer.
He testified to the fact that they transmitted over the Navy ships the fact that a orb or a ship or a UFO shot out of the water and went up and was tracked at like some ridiculous like 30 000 mile an hour tracking on the radar and this was spoken back and forth between the navy ships and he intercepted the message so he that's one of the things that made him know what that there's a lot more going on
Of course, a guy who's taken a lot of heat and a great guy, Dr. James Tracy.
Dear friend of mine, he was an associate professor in the Department of Communication at Florida Atlantic.
Among his areas of research and teaching were the conspiracy and the media.
He got sacked when the same guy who sued me ran a vendetta against him in South Florida and turned the Jewish community there against him and they put pressure on the university to boot him because he did brilliant work dissecting the press conference of Wayne Carver, the medical examiner.
About, you know, the bizarre aspects of Sandy Hook, and he got very bad treatment, ostensibly for failing to sign forms about off-campus activities in 35 years of higher education.
I had never heard of anything like it.
He was a tenured associate professor who was dealt with very harshly, brutally, improperly, totally wrong, I'm hoping.
Someday in this life there may be some modicum of justice for James Tracy.
Yeah, yeah, I've spoken to him.
There was a, okay, Dr. Stephen Bassett is very, very, he's a lobbyist.
I think you're going to be hearing a lot from this gentleman with the whole UFO disclosure issue coming.
Dr. Carla Turner, she's from that world too, she's passed on.
Edward Snowden, of course, we all know about and his contribution to everything.
Now, I'm a huge fan of Snowden and Ellsberg and Julian Assange.
They've all done great work, good things for the world by revealing what they have.
Absolutely, and then my last was Daniel Ellsberg, which was, so, you know, that's the That's the 100 whistleblowers, real quick.
And again, anyone can go to my site and see these themselves.
Doug, it's just sensational what you've done there.
I'm just so tremendously impressed.
It's a wonderful, historic piece of work.
Thanks so much, Jim.
I'll show you real quick.
These just show people how I will get these up and done.
That's the first sketch that I'll do with very, very rough blocking in and getting rid of the white on the canvas.
That's the second stage and that's what it ends up looking like.
Nice.
And that's what I'll do.
And like, like I said, all these paintings were done within a day to two days.
My idea was to work spontaneously, not very labored, make them look like paintings.
Have so so that they have a quality to them.
That's not just like a photograph.
So now real quick.
Let's just my state of grace project had to do with my interest in our exterior again this time that portraiture but the fact that we're all very fragile and that in in a moment of time our lives are changed forever.
You can see this guy.
An amazing young guy that was caught in a fire in a car accident, lost his arms, his hands, and that's the painting behind him.
That is the painting that I did of him to show you the size and the detail of these works.
The series is called State of Grace.
I had a New York Times article that I show you here.
Can you see that?
Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, Metro Section in the New York Times.
I had close to 800,000 hits on my website after this article came out and I was wasn't selling anything.
Nothing was for sale.
I wasn't trying to do anything at the time commerce-wise.
I just wanted to get the story out there about the fact and I know these two young women.
I still know Louise over here very well.
And I help her actually very often because she lives in my town.
She's lost an arm.
She's lost a leg.
She actually has a PhD in psychology and her sister has become an attorney, Rebecca.
And the two, their portraits are sitting behind them like that.
My idea for this work was not to make them pretty.
I wasn't going to do any plastic surgery for anybody.
I was going to paint the harsh reality.
What fire had done to them and the fact that they're still wonderful, loving, intelligent human beings that just want to operate out in the world and yet the adversity that people get that don't fit into the picture of looks and appeal I mean, you know, nobody wants somebody like these two young ladies working at a clothing store.
Nobody wants them working at a bank, handing over the money, whatever it is.
It's because we are so unable to handle aberrant, you know, visuals in human beings.
So that was what this was about.
And some of the paintings are quite amazing, quite graphic and detailed.
Hold one second.
Let me enlarge that again.
Let's see.
How did that happen?
There we go.
And here's a very, very, very compelling story.
I met this woman and her daughter were in a house fire on Christmas.
The rug went on fire from the embers in the fireplace.
The mother caught on fire trying to put out the fire.
She ran outside in the snow trying to put out the fire and her little daughter, who was perfectly fine, ran after her and hugged her mother to try to put the fire out and she incurred the burns in her face face also.
So And this is a, I went to Germany, I was asked to come to Germany to paint Maha Shaf.
This was a woman who was doused with acid, no gasoline, and lit on fire by her father, hard to believe, because he was, she was dating a Turkish guy and she was German.
And, you know, Ugh, the stuff that happens.
Anyway, that's my Burn Survivor series that can be seen.
Here's, again, the Rebecca and Louise picture.
That's the diptych.
Very large paintings.
80 inches wide by 50 inches tall.
And Alvaro.
Alvaro was in the Seton Hall dorm fire here in New Jersey, and he was given a 98% chance, or three 3% chance of survival after the fire.
And he was put into a, uh, a, uh, induced coma, a morphine induced coma.
His eyes were shut, closed, shut with, uh, sutures and he made it through the fire.
And he's an amazing young guy, a happy, amazing, alive guy who plays basketball and all stuff.
It's amazing what people can come through the adversity that these people came They are the greatest people I've ever met.
Hence the story, what I call my series, is State of Grace.
I feel that they gained something.
Here's Shayla, a 14 year old girl caught in a house fire.
That's her at 14, just so you know.
Lost her fingers.
These people have a grace about them that's of wisdom and learning about life.
Everything that we'll never know.
I mean, she was mocked and made fun of by her schoolmates and here comes the monster and they would all run away and tease her and just, you know, human beings can be very hard on each other.
That's for sure.
We come under here.
These are I'm just going to go real quick.
We don't have to spend any time.
But these were these are my surreal celebrity portraits.
Another one of my series of work where I would take A portrait of somebody and see if I could create two existing realities.
One, the portrait, and one, a school of fish, all corresponding to the physics of the environment of the fish.
So, taking into consideration size, contrary motion, and they're all real fish.
They're all verifiable, real.
You know, what you think is a nose or a mouth are just fish.
Everything in there.
I have a wild one.
This is a great story too.
This one is called Float Like a Butterfly and it's actually a composition of Muhammad Ali over here.
There's his head and his shoulders are here.
He's throwing a punch up and Kenny Norton, the boxer, Kenny Norton, here's his head.
This is the side of him, his elbow into his glove.
That's the top rope of the ring that gives the viewer a clue as to what they're looking like.
And if you, the smaller you see it, you'll start to see it's a famous Fight scene from the 1979 Ali Norton fight scene.
I call it float like a butterfly and Mohammed actually held that picture in his hand and looked at it, looked away, looked at it, looked away.
And when he went up into his, uh, a sports, uh, uh, memorabilia guy told me he looked at it all the way up into the elevator into his hotel room.
He put it on his nightstand, so I don't know if Muhammad ever really recognized it, but that's what that was.
And all these paintings are on my site, and then you can come down to my Religion and Uniform series.
I want to show one of the bigger ones here.
This is called the Science Times, and this was my comment about Our exterior, now not the Burden Survivor exterior, but our exterior as far as what we do, how we dress, the human form we put on when we leave the door.
Being raised Catholic, I was very, you know, Catholicism made an impression on me going to church and the priests and the nuns.
So here is a priest who smokes a cigarette, who has a little matches there that you probably can't see say e equals mc squared a pack of cigarettes a alien keychain and the science times actually says what else what else lurks out there so here is here is a person of god and faith yet also looking into the world of science and um letting sort of his hair down and as a real person so
I did that with a number of paintings and like this called Coffee Break with a nun with her toenails polished drinking a cup of coffee with a Star Trek mug.
Here is Sister Cindy.
this is a young woman at night looking into the world of a young woman in a black and white uniform
looking into the world of um yeah in elle magazine and my fruit there is sort of a
sort of a symbol of youth that we're only young for so far Are these the decisions we want to make?
It gets into a lot of stuff, Jim, so I'm gonna move through that.
Doug, this is all sensational, and I know you have a musical, too, you want to address.
Yeah, I'm gonna leave this.
This is a whole series of photorealism, a whole series of surrealism, and paintings, paintings galore, and something I did with my friend Chris Blesso, Travis Walton, and the big, large painting I made for Chris.
Based on the story that he told me about the UFO experience.
So we're going to get off of here and I'm going to go over to my musical that I wrote and I'll tell you about that real quick.
It's www.hypnota.com.
And this is my return to music and my desire to get away from making things.
I wanted to stop making material things.
Where am I going to put them?
How many paintings do I have?
I'll give them to friends and I let them hang them in their homes since I don't have an art dealer that I trust or care about and I don't really like the art world.
The art world is a business world.
I always wish that some art dealer You know, with all the publicity that I've had, the New York Times, you would think maybe an art dealer would come along and say, wow, we want to represent this guy.
No.
So whatever.
I never went seeking it.
But my play, Hypnota, is a musical.
I wrote all the music, all the lyrics.
I wrote the entire story.
People can read what it's about.
It has to do with a, it's based on a true story of a woman that I know who Had an amazing UFO experience while she was younger with her friend.
And it's documented.
The police knew about it.
They documented.
The neighbors knew about it.
Everyone knew about it.
I base my story around five different famous UFO stories.
It's sort of a combination of The Wizard of Oz meets It's a Wonderful Life.
It's got a great feeling.
There's no violence.
There's no cursing.
There's no anything like that.
I wanted a totally clean show that adults could watch and children could even see without it being something not for their eyes.
You know, Doug, there's such a parallel here with young girls who've been molested by their fathers, for example, and the mother won't believe them and they have to deal with it the rest of their lives.
And now you're talking about with a UFO experience.
And if all this, in fact, is revealed, I mean, what a stunning exoneration of what she's had to live through her whole life.
You know, and Jim, you hit the nail on the head here.
Something that I really wanted to do was I wanted to make a show that has to do with bullying, being ostracized, being called a liar, you know, by peers who can't understand or listen to somebody.
One of the songs in my show, I have a song called The Knowing in my show, was inspired.
I wrote it actually it applies to my show but I wrote it at a time when I read a horrific story of a young girl in Long Island who was being bullied into the ground so bad that when she came to the train station and a train was approaching she was up on the platform she just let herself fall right back onto the train.
Oh that's just terrible.
And I cried over this thing.
It made me so upset.
And I wrote this beautiful song called The Knowing about the fact that the answer is we have to go inside ourselves and find, you can't find the reason to live by externals.
You can't find it by the crowds and you can't find it by what your peers and your friends say, or being in with your clothing or having the newest hat or shoes.
It has to come from a deeper place, and that's what The Knowing is about.
16 original songs is such an accomplishment in and of itself, Doug.
I gotta tell you, I'm very impressed.
Jim, I will tell you this and your audience that this was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
It took me three.
I'm still working on it.
It's over three years of work that I've put into this.
I wrote all the lyrics.
I wrote all the music.
I play all the music.
I do have a, I don't know if you'd be interested, I do have a great song called, maybe it's, maybe people can just go to the website, I have a great song called Even Einstein Struggled, and it's a, it's a, it's a debate between a scientist and a pastor.
Pastor Douglas and Seth, the scientist, in my show.
I love it, if you could play it here and now.
I think I could.
Let me, let me find it, hold on.
Even Einstein struggled to solve this puzzle.
Having a knack for numbers and math.
Brilliantly brilliant, always on the right path.
His hair all puffy.
His world went fuzzy.
A knock on the door.
Now enter Niels Bohr.
With new calculations and a little bit more.
His new sensation.
His new equation.
Nothing is certain, be it sky or the ground.
Reality's fuzzy till we see what we found.
All is entangled and...
And the thought was profound.
That's why Einstein struggled.
All is explained with science and math.
Not in the belief of a deity's wrath.
You're quite mistaken.
You'll soon be shocked.
Ways of the old give ways to the new Open your mind and let it seep through
Your fear is grating No, it's liberating
Round we go, years to flow And fable round the desert table
🎵🎵🎵 you
you Terrific, terrific, terrific.
You know, what my intention with this show is, Jim, is to bring an opening up and an awareness of something beyond what we're used to believing.
But bring it like the ET alien question, the UFO question, which all paranormal is, is before it becomes normal.
You know, I mean, there was a time when there wasn't quantum physics.
There was just Newtonian physics.
And then now we have quantum physics and we accept it.
So back then, I mean, there was a time when there wasn't a television and anyone would have said then, you're insane.
There's no such thing as being able to put people in a little box and have them talk.
So I'm a big believer that we're approaching it, and I wanted to make a show for the average person.
I didn't want to write something for the UFO community.
That's like preaching to the choir.
They're already on board.
I wanted to make a show that could go on Broadway or a theater stage for tourists and regular people that's entertaining, that's fun, that's serious, that's whimsical, that has all those elements.
Oh, I think it's all sensational.
Absolutely sensational.
Doug, you've done such great work here.
Can we discontinue the sharing so we can... There we go.
That's what I wanted to say.
Listen.
And of course, before Newtonia, there was Galilean physics.
And before Galileo, there was Aristotelian physics.
And before that, there were the Presocratics.
In common sense, it's wonderful what you have done, Doug.
It's sensational.
I'm so impressed and I'm so ecstatic to really have had this opportunity to share these hours with you of going through this magnificent work you've done.
It's really a tribute to your talent and your sensitivity and your perceptivity and your values, your sense of values, which is completely admirable in my estimation.
Jim, thank you so much.
And I just want to say that this show, I mean, I am a creative person.
I'm not a business person.
I need help.
I need help with the show.
I need an artistic director.
I need theater people.
I need people that can help realize this.
The show is written.
The music's written.
I have the whole thing.
I just now need to team up With that side of the entertainment business that will get it up on a stage, a casting director and everything.
So should anybody come along in the audience that hears this or is interested in this, I would be welcoming contact from them.
My email is on my both websites.
It's DougAlt.com and Hypnota, H-Y-P-N-O-T-T-A.com.
A word that came to me in the middle of the night Which says a lot about why I named the show Hypnota.
I woke up in the middle of the night about four o'clock in the morning and just sat up and said, Hypnota.
I don't know where it came from.
I never heard it before.
I felt like it was told to me inside my head that it just came to me and I meditated on that word and I decided to write the show and call it that because it's pointing to that Hypnagogic and hypnopompic state of falling in and out of sleep where Tesla and Da Vinci and a lot of different, I mean Nikola Tesla and Da Vinci and a lot of great thinkers tapped into that little moment of time to help with their insight and their inventions.
And may I share your Gmail address with the public?
Absolutely.
Doug R. Auld, A-U-L-D at gmail.com.
Doug R. A-U-L-D at gmail.com.
Sensational guy.
You've seen it all here.
I can't thank him enough for spending this time with me.
Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, thanking Doug Ault, who's doing magnificent work and celebrating Americans who are doing their best to speak up for the truth and defend your nation from the forces allied against us.
Thank you all for joining us today, Doug.
Sensational.
Thanks, Jim.
Thank you very much.
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