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Dec. 23, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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The Real Deal (22 December 2020): Nick Kollerstrom on the Skripal Hoax and its Sequels
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This is Jim Fetzer, welcoming you to a Real Deal Interview with my dear friend and colleague, Nicholas Collerstrom, historian of science from the UK, noted for his brilliant work on Sir Isaac Newton, also a leading expert in the area of conspiracy research, where his book, Terror on the Tube, now in its Fifth, sixth, seventh edition is the leading exposition of what actually happened during the subway attacks, the 7-7 subway attacks in London, where Nick cracked the case by discovering the train from Luton
That the young Muslim lads who'd been lured into participating in a drill at the same tube stops at the same time the explosions took off would have had to have taken to have been on the location at the scene at the time, which they were not.
But nevertheless, the authorities went ahead and blamed them anyway when they made their way to Canary Wharf to try to reach the international press to explain what was going on.
The bobbies shot him dead, Nick.
That was one of your most brilliant discoveries.
There have been quite a few, my friend, quite a few.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I certainly paid a price for that, Jim.
I mean, I followed that story through thick and thin, and I got very much damned by the newspapers and BBC for doing it, that I was somehow glorifying terrorism or whatever.
But over the years, that book does seem to have stood the test of time, isn't it?
It's the one real book on the subject.
Oh, no doubt.
So, of course, you know, you're going to be treated as though we're a hate crime because you're exposing the truth and they hate the truth.
Just as again today, you're going to have much more to... Yeah, well, the British have got this very bizarre and remarkable skill, British, in deception, the art of deception, which is practiced at GCHQ and various sort of think tanks, Institute for Statecraft, various shady British British Army intelligence outfits, and they seem to think there's a war on.
And who's the war against, you may wonder?
Well, these days it seems to be against Russia, I mean, what we talked about earlier, the war on terror, was against Muslims.
And in this recent years, you know, Britain has to have an enemy.
It cannot exist without having an enemy.
And it looks around, and Russia is now becoming the new enemy.
It's obviously never in any way threatened this country at all, in any way.
Always desired friendship with this country.
But no, it's got to be the new enemy.
And fabricated stories are appearing, To project blame against Russia.
I think it's a massive distraction from China, which owns Joe Biden and the Biden crime family lock, stock and barrel, which appears to have actually come into ownership of the Dominion voting machines used to steal the election.
Now we're getting rebirth of Thousands, perhaps millions of fake ballots having been manufactured in China and brought into the United States by way of Canada.
Yeah.
Really?
Wow.
That is interesting, Jim.
But I guess China's too far away to be an enemy for Britain, to be convincing it's an enemy for Britain.
I mean, we have banned the Huawei 5G, you know, technology from China.
But otherwise, China's a bit far away.
And I think Russia, in particular, there's a huge pipeline that we discussed earlier being built, the longest pipeline in the world.
It's 95% complete between Russia and Germany.
And I think there'll be millions or billions of tons of natural gas We'll go through this pipeline every year when it's finished.
And it's a prime American geo-strategic imperative to stop friendship developing between Germany and Russia.
That's the main thing that American policies want to avoid.
Because what are the Americans doing in Germany?
Oh, they're essentially protecting Germany Maybe.
Well, keeping down Germany but also protecting against Russia.
So they can't handle the idea of friendship developing in Russia and Germany.
But by the same token, it'd be enormously beneficial for the whole of Europe if there could be that friendship without the need for continual NATO war games in Europe with a make-believe enemy and point-and-shoot missiles at Russia.
I mean Britain points its missiles at Russia, which it does, nuclear missiles, means that Russian missiles have been pointed back at us.
So we've got loads of nuclear missiles targeted on us and that doesn't help anybody.
And I think in trying to develop this big pipeline, Russia was aiming to develop friendship with Germany and last year, about a year ago, Trump very much They denounced all firms that were working on that pipeline and threatened to sanction them, and it almost stopped the whole project, didn't it?
It's all so ironic, because Trump came in on the platform of wanting to improve relations with Russia, which was so appropriate, and then Michael Flynn was taken out for an ordinary conversation with the Russian ambassador.
We're deep state elements in the CIA and the FBI.
We're targeting Trump from the beginning, Nick.
It's just outrageous.
He had the right instincts.
I don't regard Vladimir Putin as an enemy of the United States.
China is a whole different matter.
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I think Putin has tried to get over the Cold War mentality and develop commercial and cultural relations and ties instead of Threatening each other, which happened when the old Soviet Union and communism was threatening everybody.
They're not communists anymore.
Anyway, let me come on to what my new little book's about.
It's a short, easy-to-read little book.
It looks at the case of what's happening with Navalny right now, who's making headlines, claiming to have been poisoned by Putin using Novichok.
And that's an exact, very close echo of what happened with Sergei Skripal two years ago, when the Brits claimed that he had been poisoned by Putin using Novichok.
In both cases they recovered perfectly well, and it's rather doubtful whether any Novichok was used.
And in both cases there's no real... Well, the question is, is there any evidence linking What must have happened to these people with Russia, okay?
So wouldn't you say, Nick, this is a part of the effort to demonize Russia to destroy the cooperation between Germany and Russia and distract from China?
Because what happened with Navalny, he was on a plane flight from Siberia going back to Russia and He suddenly collapsed, suddenly got taken to hospital.
They rescued his life at the hospital and then there was pressure.
A specially chartered aeroplane flew from Berlin to this little town called Tomsk with a hospital when Navalny was and then after a day or so of arguing and arguing they demanded we want to take this fellow in a coma back to Germany.
What's Germany got to do with it?
Why Germany?
Well he arrived in Berlin and to nobody's surprise his blood was sampled by a Berlin NATO military hospital and to no one's surprise they claimed to find Novichok in it.
Whereas the hospital in Thompson Square that initially treated him and probably rescued his life, they did not find any nerve toxin, neurotoxin.
One of the benefits of getting a subject into a military hospital is being able to control the outcome of everything.
JFK was taken to Bethesda and they altered the x-rays, they altered the body, they substituted a brain, Nick was just outrageous, and he was getting the body under military control.
Military control, yeah.
Well, much the same with the Scribbles, He collapsed on a park bench just a few miles from Britain's biggest port and down, the Biological Warfare Centre, and there was a huge military war going on with chemical and biological weapons, a big game simulation on Salisbury Plain, that's right next to where this fellow collapsed in Salisbury, and so the whole game simulation was going on,
He was then taken to hospital.
Initially, the nurses didn't find anything neurotoxic in his blood.
But then, later on, the sample was given to the OPCW as if some sort of Novichok had been added.
Nobody was sure what Novichok was, but they sort of agreed that it was in his blood.
People believed it was probably added by Porton Down or somebody around there.
And so something rather similar seems to happen with Navalny now.
I don't know if you want me just to comment on what he's doing, but this fellow Alex A Navalny makes videos about corruption in Russia, how the top politicians Have very expensive homes and secretly take a lot of land to live in with much too much cash and so on.
I think that's perfectly valid.
I think there is corruption, but he seems to kind of hate his motherland and totally denounce it.
And in consequence, there have been Russian security agents following him.
That's just emerged recently.
A British company showed that he was being shadowed by Russian security agents.
But that doesn't mean they've tried to poison him.
That's what's being claimed.
I think you've got the big picture very nicely.
Proceed, yes.
So he was in Siberia telling people which way to vote to try and get away from the main ruling party in Russia, which is commendable enough, and he then collapsed suddenly.
Nobody's sure why.
And various different theories have been put forward by Navalny and others about how he was poisoned.
First of all, they said, oh, he must have poisoned a cavity at the airport.
Then they said, oh, look at the CCTV.
Oh, no, no, no, it can't have been then.
So three weeks later, they said, oh, he must have been poisoned by a bottle of water in his room, his hotel room.
And he had this good looking aide called Marina Pevcik, who works at British Asia, works at MI6, and she is very central to the whole thing.
A good looking British aide who claimed to have rescued a couple of these water bottles from his room.
Okay, this is very crucial.
After he'd flown back to Russia, he left his bottles of water behind.
I mean, would you do that?
The idea of poisoned bottles of water being put in his room, and he then drinks the water being put in his room, and he then leaves the bottles behind, and she then picks them up.
So they can dose it and then prove that it was there.
I mean, it's a little too obvious, Nick, a little too obvious.
It is, right.
She then claims to have taken these bottles all the way back to the Berlin hospital.
And why on its face of it would you have had a reason to do that in the first place?
Exactly, yeah.
I mean, there wasn't enough time.
This happened early in the morning on the 20th of August.
He leaves this town in Siberia and flies off and about 10 o'clock The plane suddenly stops, makes an emergency landing and goes off to this hospital.
So she wouldn't have had time, when she was told that he had suddenly fallen ill, to suddenly decide to rush back to the hotel.
None of the story makes sense at all.
How would she know he'd been poisoned?
Or if she did think that, why would they go back to the hotel?
What clues would they expect to find?
Anyway, about three weeks after, that became the main story.
Oh, it was bottles and they claimed that the NATO lab had found the Novichok in the bottle of water as well, right?
So that became the main story for months until December.
That's this month now, okay?
Suddenly there's a new story.
So the Times, the British Union of Times, published a news story saying, oh no, the poison was in his underpants, right?
Poison in his underpants?
In the hotel, yeah.
Was he a boxer or a brief guy?
Well, there you go, right.
So Marina Pevce is, she might have slept the night with him, you don't know, but she's sort of got quite a key role in the whole, making the whole story happen.
So the Times, without explaining things, says to his underpants, and then two days later, there's a British military intel outfit called Bellingcat.
And I'll just remind you, they're the company that, in the Scribble Affair, they identified the two Russians who came over.
There were two Russians who came over, if you remember, They claimed to be tourists going to Salisbury and Bellingcat claimed that they were two Russian military intelligence agents who were there to poison Skripal.
They could never prove that.
They never established that at all.
That was just a conjecture or assertion to frame the Russians.
It was just a conjecture or assertion.
They didn't even bother to try to verify it because it might well have been false.
Almost certainly it was.
Yeah, well, nobody could.
There seemed to have been two rather clueless tourists, and they just wandered around town.
But there might have been more to it.
They might have had a spare ticket, and there might have been a whole plan for Scripple to try and get back to Russia.
That's another part of the story.
But if so, that didn't happen.
But Scripple's daughter flying over the day before, It's March the 4th 2018, and those two Russians coming over might have been part of a plot for Scribble to go back to Russia, because he wants to go back to Russia, because he's got no relatives living in England.
So that might be a reason the British intelligence had to do this whole thing of poisoning him.
Scribble has disappeared permanently now.
He, after being poisoned, he was in hospital, And he never reappeared again.
He was allowed to put through one or two phone calls to Russia.
Since then, he's just been made an un-person.
He's just disappeared.
And likewise, his charming, lovely young daughter, Yulia Skripal, who came over to visit him, she also has disappeared.
Neither of those two can be allowed to reappear again, because they won't reliably endorse the British narrative, okay?
I wonder if they've permanently been disappeared, Nick?
Well, that's your fear.
The fear is that you could get a newspaper report saying, oh, no, they're going to be given a new identity in Australia or America or something.
So we don't know.
But it's very likely, as you say, permanently disappeared.
Yeah.
Whereas Navalny, the big difference is after he's poisoned, he goes under for three weeks, pretty well just the same length of time that Julius Skripal went under.
He can reappear, he can be allowed to talk, because he will reliably endorse the NATO narrative.
He will totally believe the story of, oh, Putin did it, Putin's trying to poison me, and so on.
So that's why he's now a public figure again.
So the thing that is made to happen in Berlin, in.
He's taken to Berlin hospital, not that Berlin's got anything to do with his itinerary or anything, just because, I'm suggesting, of this whole pipeline thing.
So after he recovers and then starts claiming that Russia tried to poison him, that is then linked to the whole pipeline thing and the whole EU passes a resolution.
saying that, instructing Russia to stop, sorry, instructing Germany to stop building the pipeline.
Could you believe it?
Who said that?
The whole EU, European Union Parliament, about 50 nations, they pass a resolution that because of this alleged poisoning, which hasn't been proved at all, that Germany must stop building the pipeline.
Germany hasn't been affected, right?
They're proceeding anyway, right?
Well, it's very much in the balance.
Will this pipeline continue?
It's 95% complete now, and Germany really needs the natural gas, you see?
And the whole thing is a charade anyway.
It's a phony baloney.
What's troubling is that the European Parliament should have been manipulated so easily on the basis of this flimsy pretext.
Yeah, flimsy pretext.
I mean, what evidence is there for the Nova shot?
It's just a NATO laboratory saying so.
I mean, does anyone believe them?
And OPEC, which is the official body to deal with use of chemical weapons so the claim that's been used that puts out that takes a sample from the family blood sample of blood and urine but it's only some days later which would be too late for detecting the novichok they put out a rather equivocal statement which does not as such claim to to know that novichok was in the blood it's just something was poisoning him
So, I mean, it's quite a mystery what exactly happened to him.
I mean, I would think he might have been poisoned in the special charter plane that flew him over to Berlin.
Or it's quite likely that his lady friend, Marina Pevchik, gave him something.
He didn't even die, did he, Nick?
Did he die?
Well, no, that's the whole point.
They're both... He's perfectly well.
How ridiculous!
You're going to cancel this massive economic development project on the basis of an attempt to take somebody out under the most charitable interpretation?
It's just ridiculous!
The European Parliament must be made up of a bunch of mindless stooges, Nick.
I'm just embarrassed.
Well, I think so.
I think that the empire these days, it doesn't have a perception of truth.
It's just What counts is the operation.
An operation is successful or not successful and this is just an operation and the purpose is to break down civilized discourse between Russia and Europe and to replace it with abuse and insults and military confrontation.
That seems to be the aim.
It's warmongers, it's the military who want some narrative that will give them an excuse for, you know, more money on weapons and so forth.
And as you say, Navalny is perfectly well.
He's just wandering around shooting his mouth off about how bad Russia is and how claiming that somebody tried to poison him with this deadly poison and Yeah, I was just telling you the sequence of different accusations, right?
The recent one that's come out... Yeah, Bellingcat.
I was thinking about the Bellingcat one on the 14th of December, right?
That's a British intelligence outfit.
They claimed that on the night before, on the 19th of August, that Navalny was drinking, relaxing in the bar of this hotel he was staying at with all his mates, and he ordered a Ordered a cocktail and the waiter brought him this cocktail and he drank a bit of it and that had the Novichok in it.
So it's an ever-changing story.
Nobody can get a story that makes sense at all.
The idea that you can give someone... Well, it's an obvious sign that it's a fraud, that it's a fantasy, that it's fiction, and it's not real.
Yes, it's an obvious sign that it's a fraud.
What reality is it that a story should not change apart from minor variations or refinement?
When you get such very indifferent stories, it's prima facie proof that this is just bullshit.
Yeah, yeah, it is, yeah.
It's an ever-changing story, and as you say, Jim, that indicates that the thing did not as such happen.
Just because it keeps changing.
I mean, the bottle of water story was too daft for words.
The idea that somebody creeps into his room, Puts a bottle of water that's poisoned.
I mean, if you saw a bottle of water in your room that hadn't been there before, would you pick it up and drink it, you know?
And then this great-looking babe would take it off with her, leaving it... I mean, it's just silly!
It borders on lunacide, Nick!
Yeah, it does, yeah.
So, um...
I think what I would say that Russia should do is arrest this Marina Pevchik because the implication of this latest twist, if it's a cocktail drink or something in his underpants, the indication is that they've dropped the story of the bottle of water, right?
They just dropped it.
They just dropped it.
It wasn't going anywhere.
It made them look ridiculous, so they're just going to pretend they never even said it.
Yeah, pretend they never even said it.
But the point is, there's a video online of her in his hotel room with a couple of others and bottles of water.
They find these bottles of water and sort of collect them, right?
So they put out a video and you can see in their watch, the time of their watch is about half past nine, nine o'clock, half past nine in the morning.
They somehow get into the hotel, which again, you know, we'd like a comment from the hotel.
Did these people come in in the morning or not?
They claim to come into the hotel and collect these bottles of water.
So in other words, she is lying.
I think one thing unequivocally clear is that she has been totally lying and fabricating this story.
And what's happened to her?
In fact, the Russian police tried, they said they interrogated all the people, all the Navalny's agents, except for her, Pevchik, who vanished quickly and they didn't manage to speak to her.
Well, what seemed to happen, she came back to Berlin with him, the Berlin hospital, and then she disappeared back to London.
She lives in London and she hasn't been seen since.
So, I don't know if she's been made to disappear, like the Scribbles did, but I do feel that if the Russians possibly could, they should arrest her or demand that she comes for questioning.
I suppose Brits wouldn't allow it, but she's the obvious person who knows what happened.
Which was basically nothing, her contrived attempt to assassinate.
Well, he did collapse dramatically in the plane and he was unconscious.
Okay.
And the people in the hotel, sorry, in the hospital treated him with... was it?
Anyway, they may have rescued him.
I think he had very low blood sugar.
So it might be diabetes or something.
Or he might be drinking too much the night before.
Well, something like that, yeah.
But they did feel that he was in a bad way and they rescued him.
So the big question, which we can't really answer, is did this happen suddenly?
Was this unexpected, that he suddenly collapsed?
Or was it all pre-prepared?
You mean, was he on it?
Yeah, was he on it?
And was this arranged?
The thing that makes it look arranged to me is this aeroplane coming over from Berlin To this hospital at Tomsk, which has got a little airfield.
I mean, to have a plane suddenly fly over from Berlin... I mean, I wouldn't have thought that Navalny was such an important character that they could suddenly get a plane over like that.
And that makes it look rather pre-arranged.
Right.
You know, we don't know, but that's...
Now, is he still available?
Or has he disappeared too?
Navone is around, yeah.
He's making... We could conduct additional medical tests and so forth on him.
Well, he's had various blood samples taken while he was recovering.
He's now claiming that they've identified various So he himself is insisting the Russians were playing dirty.
Yeah, yeah.
He's clearly the agent of all of this.
He's the key player, along with a fetching young woman.
This is just a clown show, Nick.
This is a pretense.
Yeah.
With enormous stakes.
Enormous stakes, yeah.
He's got some, been awarded a degree from some American university and I think he's very much endorsed by American intelligence.
Well, maybe he's CIA for crying out loud.
Yeah, well that's what the Russians have said.
The Russians said they think this is some sort of CIA involvement.
I think that makes great sense.
That adds a little bit of clarity to the situation.
Somewhat, yeah, but I don't know if they can prove that.
The way I see it, this is very much British intelligence because the way it follows through from what they did with Skripal, you see.
With Skripal, it was so successful, if you remember, it happened in March, and the middle of March, March the 18th, a whole lot of Russian diplomats were expelled from Europe and America.
Based on this event, the diplomats were all expelled.
How many were they?
About 180 Russian diplomats expelled from throughout Europe and America.
This was the allegation of poisoning with Novichok that Prime Minister Theresa May made, just saying they suspected Russian involvement, suspected On that basis, all these diplomats were expelled.
This was middle of March 2018.
Then after that, Yulia Skripal made a telephone call to Russia, saying she was still in the hospital, but they were both okay and both recovering.
So the British intelligence were in a tricky position.
They'd expelled all these diplomats.
And they'd been saying how frightful and deadly this poison was.
It was the worst poison there was.
And then only the cat had died.
There was a cat in the Scribbles' house, which had been put down.
So the Scribbles were both all right.
The cat had died.
And you've got all these diplomatic spells, right?
So that was, I think, a sort of comparable situation.
And it's unreality that they're constructing a narrative And the media all believe the narrative, the media all publicize it, but to most people who reflect on it, it's totally absurd, you know?
Well, your media is nearly as tightly controlled as our media, which is all Zionist, 100%.
Is it?
Right.
Well, it is very extraordinary, the way media believe this.
Yeah, I mean, you can't get a breath of skepticism In any way.
Nor serious investigative journalism.
It's non-existent because they are only here to provide disinformation propaganda.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's a good story.
It's Novichok.
And you probably remember there was a Sky TV program about Novichok.
It was showing both in America and in England.
In February, before it happened, so February before this whole saga developed, there was a story, a spy story, about poisoning with Novichok, right?
And Novichok was some Finnish thing which the Russians made.
It's got to be Russian made or there's no point to the story, right?
Right.
Well, it just sounds Russian.
Right, right, right, right, right.
It sounds Russian, you know.
It's all a matter of perception, as Henry said.
The truth doesn't matter.
It's all only perceptions.
Perception, yeah, yeah.
Well, so you have this story, a TV story, which somehow comes into the real world.
And to help it come into the real world, you've got this big, what I mentioned, this big army war game on Salisbury Plain, chemical biological weapons and a drill, and so what they're kind of imagining in the war game then materializes on a park bench as a story.
So where does the story come from?
Who imagines it?
So it's kind of A British-American story of Novichok then appears in a town in Salisbury.
It doesn't go too well, especially when Yulia says we're both okay.
She then has a surprise reappearance, looking more lovely than before.
She's looking quite attractive.
A surprise reappearance.
British intelligence don't have to do something, because they're in a crisis.
The whole story is about to become ludicrous, with all these diplomats expelled and nobody's died.
And they managed to find a couple of drug addicts, actually, who live about 20 miles away, and one of them's died from an overdose, and they managed to develop that into a story that they somehow found the Novichok in a park.
Nick is just ridiculous!
Ridiculous beyond belief!
I mean, this is silly!
They're just digging themselves into a deeper hole.
Well, you might say that, but all the British media believe this story, and the principle here, the central principle, is that often, state-fabricated terror, you've got to have a real death to get the somber solemnity To make people believe it, okay?
To stop people being sceptical.
So that was the real death that worked.
I don't know, they fake deaths all the time.
Charlie Hebdo, you know, in the UK.
How many of these fake deaths, Manchester, have you reported on?
Even on London Bridge, we're crying out loud.
It's all ridiculous, Nick.
Totally, yeah.
Yeah, totally.
Anyway, I mean the idea that Russia would want to do this, Russia was arranging, it was a big international football sort of matches being held in Russia just coming up, so it wouldn't, Russia wouldn't in any way want to do a thing like this, and so they got these... The Russians don't have any motive for dozens of things they're alleged to have done, like manipulating the US election.
Russia has no interest in manipulating the US election!
Democrats have a motive to manipulate the US election, not Russia!
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Anyway, so in both of these, let me add, when Theresa May is pointing the finger at Russia, what is her basis, what is the argument, it's very important to appreciate this, the argument is based On a story from earlier, 2006, about the Litvinenko affair.
Now, there was a big hoo-ha, Litvinenko dies, and he's sort of rushed some Russian military stuff years before.
He was a defector, he came over to London and he became part of a large group of Russians living in London who are opposed to the Putin government.
There was no report or inquest on his death, and it was claimed that he died of polonium.
Which he might have done, he probably did, but whatever happened, the British could never have a coroner's inquest.
There was no proper Death's puzzled that he wasn't allowed to have any information about how his son had died at all.
So stories were then woven about a fiendish Russian agent, who's actually a member of parliament in Russia, who comes over to London and somehow he's got some polonium, which is quite hard to get, and he meets Litvinenko in a hotel His wife's there and loads of other people there, and he slips this deadly polonium into a teapot and Litvinenko then drinks it.
That story is brewed up about a month after the death.
People start talking about the polonium and what he died of.
It's a story Nobody knows how he died.
It's very likely he was involved in underworld activities.
Very likely it was nuclear smuggling.
That seems the most likely thing.
He'd been to Israel a few weeks before and it's quite likely that he and one other fellow he worked with were involved in smuggling nuclear materials.
But basically there's never been any proper inquiry because the British government totally focused the whole thing on blaming Russia Right from the start.
And that was all that was allowed.
There was no other discussion allowed, right?
So that poisonous accusation, oh Putin wanted to poison this fella just because he's anti-Russian or because he's anti-Putin.
That accusation was made and a claim was made that polonium is very difficult to get and it must have come from Russian nuclear power station.
So these claims were made, and that was the only narrative that was allowed, whereby Litvinenko died.
So years later, when the Skripal thing came, they could just say, oh, this is a re-run of Litvinenko.
Those wicked Russians want to come and poison somebody in our country, because it's just the way the Russians are.
Just the way the Russians are.
They're just dirty birds.
They just have no scruples.
I mean, it's a West that's a big liars and phonies and fakes and frauds and killers and assassins.
Nick, you know, I mean, how many charades?
Your wonderful book exposes 13 false flags in Europe and a half a dozen in the UK, Nick.
I mean, it's just outrageous.
Outrageous.
Yeah.
Yeah, well I don't enjoy doing this Jim, I don't want to spend the rest of my life on it, but it's just very disturbing for me that the intelligence of my country is so much focused on creating fictional fabrication, fake stories that are poisonous, that create hate and distrust.
I mean, why does this have to happen?
So this little book I've done, the Novichok Chronicles, A Tale of Two Hoaxes, it basically looks at these three different events, the two Novichok ones, and then it reflects back on the early Litvinenko story, because that is always invoked when people justify accusing Russia.
And so I'm saying we need to go back and re-analyse that, all three of them, I think they all lack valid evidence for Russian involvement.
They all lack serious credibility.
They all appear to be part of an elaborate fantasy to demonize Rasha one way or another,
which appears happily to be falling flat.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I thought to deconstruct these narratives, you know, we'd like a bit more detail from Russia about the Zander Hotel, it's called.
What's their opinion about people smuggling in, tip-toeing in at dead of night to put stuff on his underpants?
You know, do they accept that story?
Oh, what?
You know what bothers me the most about all this is the European Parliament acting like a bunch of mindless sheep.
I mean, it's embarrassing, Nick.
The European Parliament is supposed to be a relatively robust body of intelligent individuals and they're suckers and saps.
There's nothing intelligent about this.
I mean, if you want to be disagreeing, it might make a bit of sense, but saying, oh, sorry, I can't see the basis of this.
But you don't.
I think 58 different nations approved that resolution of condemning Russia for using poison.
And Russia has never used poison, I don't think, against another nation.
I don't think there's any historical example of it.
Whereas Britain has used poison gas against Russia, so I don't think we've got any moral high ground to make this accusation.
So it's more reasonable that the British contrived this based upon their own practices and that Russia did it based on practices they've never used in the past?
I thought so, yeah.
Anyway, at the moment, the time we're discussing now, there's Navalny has leveled this charge against the intelligence operatives who apparently were following him.
And there's a story that he phoned up one of them and tried to get one of them to confess that they had actually tried to kill him.
And that is the story going around at the moment, just recently.
So we'll see how that pans out in In the coming weeks.
So it's still quite a hot topic.
I think you've done another brilliant job of exposing political chicanery, hoaxes, phonies, frauds, fake stories, you know, all this.
Unfortunately, it's dominated the United States.
We have the fake coronavirus pandemic, which who is now admitted That a positive test only means you've had a cold.
I mean, it's ridiculous, Nick, what's going on here.
We're locking down the economy.
People are committing suicide.
They feel isolated.
They're giving up what makes their lives meaningful, contact with other human beings, going to football games, concert, theater, restaurants.
They're all being shut down by these totalitarian governors and mayors.
Who have no sense whatsoever.
They're a bunch of blithering idiots, except they seem to be creatures of the globalist desire to introduce the Great Reset by destroying the ability of the middle class to make money, to make us all dependent on a stream of income that they would utterly completely control digitally, with a social merit system a la China.
It is grotesque, Nick.
Grotesque.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, In my country, we've had two lockdowns now, and that's a bit over three months.
Britain has been locked down.
First all April and May, and now in November.
And if you look at the weekly death statistics, compared with the previous years, There's been a massive surge in deaths during the lockdown, okay?
Thousands a bit more people die, and then when the lockdown finishes, go back to normal, there's no increase at all in deaths.
All the weeks in this year without lockdown, There's no excess of deaths at all, right?
That's a great argument against lockdowns.
Yes, we had a recent report from Johns Hopkins that if you look at the gross number of deaths, there's no change in 2020 from past years, which means that coronavirus isn't killing anybody.
And you're saying, properly, the lockdowns are!
The virus isn't!
The lockdowns are!
Precisely, yeah.
There's the lockdowns that are killing people, and they kill especially the old people that get bumped off with despair, fear, and stress, and loneliness.
And the average age of death to coronavirus is over 80, so it's older than the life expectancy.
That's right, that's right.
The average death to coronavirus just happens to equal the average death naturally from other causes.
Yeah, what a coincidence!
Yeah, yeah.
The world is being played on a scale heretofore unprecedented!
Well, this is a very clever hoax.
It plays on the fear of death itself, you know, and you can easily get people going with that.
So it's terribly important to appreciate that overall there's no excess of deaths.
When it talks about all these thousands of coronavirus deaths, they're kind of shifting the arithmetic of people dying of flu or whatever, or all the other things, and just recalibrating them as coronavirus deaths.
Yeah, which is terrible.
We all have coronavirus.
If we've ever had a cold, we have the coronavirus.
People who die with the coronavirus are dying from the coronavirus, which is zutter poppycock.
Yeah, as you say, we've all had coronaviruses in us since time began.
There's absolutely no, and it's not lethal, and especially in wintertime, and it's associated with the chest area.
It's nothing to be frightened about.
And nobody's isolated any COVID-19.
Nobody's ever isolated that and shown that it's stemmed from the other coronaviruses.
It's a major embarrassment, Nick.
If the globalists have their way, we'll never have the opportunity to protest because they'll own planet Earth.
That's their aspiration.
I feel the simplest thing about the coronavirus to communicate to people is that you get the massive excess of deaths at the lockdown, the shock and the fear, and you don't get it any other periods.
You don't get it without lockdown.
That's another contribution to your expose in your book on the coronavirus, which has been banned now by Amazon.
Nick, why don't you add a few comments about the three of your books that Amazon has banned?
Yes, well, it's very discouraging for an author, you know, especially over the Christmas period.
I mean, my coronavirus book, which is a bestseller, it was on their bestseller list all through the summer, The Great British Coronavirus Hoax, A Skeptic's Guide.
They don't tell you why they ban it at all.
I mean, why would a book... why would a seller stop selling its bestseller book?
Why wouldn't they want to do that?
A bestseller book... Too much truth, Dick.
Too much truth.
Anyway, a couple of years ago... They banned my Sandy Hook book!
I believe you even contributed to it, did you not?
I mean, you know, it has sold nearly 500 copies in less than a month, but they banned it!
Even though they had 19 other books about Sandy Hook, the 19 others all agreed with the official account one way or another, some in a bizarre fashion.
But mine brought together 13 experts to dispute it!
And they couldn't handle that, Nick.
They couldn't handle that.
Well, that reminds me of my 9-11 book called Who Did 9-11?
Because I was part of the original British 9-11 Truth Group for all those years, and I thought I'd put together My story, as I saw things, I put it all together and yeah, Amazon banned it.
There's dozens of other 9-11 truth books out there that aren't banned, you know, and why would they ban mine?
I don't know.
That surprises me a lot, Nick.
That's really unbelievable.
Well, in a way, it all goes back to the First book they banned, Breaking the Spell, The Holocaust Myth and Reality, which was a best-selling... that sold very well as a revisionist book.
I got more from that than any other book, actually.
And so they stopped... they banned that.
That was on Amazon for a good year or two.
That's really good.
That was out there for a year.
Yeah, they're still all available, but Amazon just decides what it won't sell.
And of course, having contributed a foreword to that book, I feel especially glad for what you have done there.
A really masterpiece of revisionist history, Nick, for which you are to be commended to the highest degree.
Well, thanks, Jim, yeah.
But it's a very passionate book, Rad.
I was up against the wall.
Everyone said, oh, you've done it now.
Your life's over.
You've denied the Holocaust.
There's nothing left for your life now.
You'd better change your name.
You know, and so I was totally up against the wall and I decided to write that book.
Oh, brilliant book, a brilliant book.
I put the photograph of the British soccer team at Auschwitz on the back of my book, which has essays about the Holocaust, you know, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either.
That's my favourite photograph from your book.
I mean, who would, you know, that's such a mind boggler.
You mean there was a British soccer team at Auschwitz?
That along with the fact that thousands of babies were born at these centers for extermination, Nick.
I mean, wrap your mind around that.
They had a hospital with OBGYN facilities at Auschwitz, you know?
Why would they need that if they're exterminating everyone?
I mean, last I heard, Nick, it took nine months of gestation to produce a human offspring.
It's given people a long time before they're exterminated.
I think it's so wonderful.
There are things that happen at that big labor camp.
I tend to leave it now.
It just erupts.
It gives so much trouble.
You did your part.
That's a completely brilliant book.
Yeah.
Very proud to be associated.
Let's hope that in the future Amazon will have less of a stranglehold on selling books.
I mean, it's the most terrible thing that we can get this worldwide domination.
Censorship is so obnoxious and anti-intellectual and dictatorial and authoritarian and contrary to everything for which we are supposed to stand in terms of justice.
I don't mind censorship if it's about books about advocating violence or depraved behaviour.
I can imagine some sort of censorship, but not discussion of what is and what happened and historical facts.
When that gets censored, you're in a very terrible situation.
Nick, you're doing sensational work all around the clock.
I love it.
I'm so impressed.
You are, as you know, one of my heroes in this life, my friend.
I'm very proud to be associated with you.
Well, Jim, let's hope that you can have a conspiracy conference next year.
As you say, we're conspiracy analysts.
Yes.
Conspiracy analysts, in which we all actually turn up and meet each other.
Yes, that we can all physically get together.
Yeah.
Nick, I can't thank you enough.
You made a marvelous contribution to the conference.
Anyone who wants to check it out, go to falseflagconspiracies2020.com.
Falseflagconspiracies2020.com.
The archives are available, totally reasonably priced, 24 presentations.
And look for Nick's book, if it hasn't been banned yet.
No, it hasn't.
No, no, it's not.
Nick, it's great having you here, my friend.
Okay, take care, Jim.
Yeah, this is Jim Fetzer on The Real Deal, thanking my special guest, Nick Kohlerstrom, for being here.
As you can tell, he's one of my favorite figures in the entire world.
Thank you for joining us, Nick.
Wonderful.
A real pleasure, my friend.
Okay, Jim.
Goodnight, then.
Cheers.
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