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Oct. 9, 2020 - Jim Fetzer

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Dr. Carrie Madej & Dr. Andrew Kaufman on vaccines, hydrogel, and secret government programs

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	Hello, everyone, and welcome to Medicamentum Authentica.
	Hi, this is Dr. Kauffman.
	I have a very special guest today.
	Rarely, as it happens, another physician is with me who has the fortitude and wisdom to speak out about this issue, and I'm speaking of the one and only Dr. Carrie Madej, who is here.
	Welcome.
	And so for the listeners who have not yet seen any of her material, Dr. Madej is another physician who is practicing in the Atlanta area in Georgia and owned her own practice and was medical director of some clinics.
	And she had some really fascinating experiences about five years ago where she started to see some problems with the medical system.
	And it led her to recently come out in public and tell us an alternative viewpoint about what's going on and really has served as a major warning for people about some coming things like the vaccine.
	And we're certainly gonna get to that today.
	But there's definitely a lot of interesting things to go through.
	So welcome to the show, Carrie.
	Thank you for having me, Dr. Kauffman.
	I'm very happy to be here.
	So when we had a preliminary call, I was just some jaw-dropping moments to hear about what you went through in the past and how you kind of ended up in circles of truth seekers and, you know, risking a lot of things to come out in public and, you know, tell us what's really going on.
	So can you Kind of walk us through a little bit about what you first began experiencing and how you learned about some major secrets going on in government.
	Well, you know, there's a story I didn't tell you from our earlier conversation you might find interesting.
	So actually it started in medical school and the didactics.
	So in Kansas City, it's where I went to school, We had a microbiology professor and her, Dr. Buxton, and we actually, she actually worked with the military as well at some point.
	I don't know if she was actively working when she was teaching us.
	So she was going through different organisms and this one Class stood out to me, and I was one of the students that never really spoke up much.
	I'd always researched on my own.
	There's only two times I spoke up, this was one of them.
	She was putting all these slides on the screen, and she was talking about mycoplasma pneumonia.
	She was telling us it was the most evolved organism at the time.
	And it was an organism that was not really, it wasn't a whole organism in and of itself.
	It needed to go inside of our red blood cells, a human, in order to really function properly.
	So it could hide within the red blood cell.
	She talked about how it could outsmart our immune system.
	One of the ways it could hide inside the red blood cell.
	The other thing that she mentioned that was very important was that it made its own, it had its own neurotoxin and this neurotoxin was alive, but not alive.
	Those are the words she used and it could reproduce on its own and multiply.
	So she showed us a slide on the electron microscopy picture of this.
	Okay.
	And, It caught my attention and I put my hand up.
	I said, I'm sorry, is that a cartoon drawing of the neurotoxin?
	She said, no.
	I said, no, I'm sorry.
	You misunderstood me.
	Is that a drawing of the neurotoxin?
	When she said no, the entire class broke out and just, what?
	This can't be true because back then we didn't even have cell phones.
	Okay.
	So the idea of nanotechnology was not even in our brain.
	Well, but you're saying that she was saying that you could see proteins in the microscope, like individual proteins?
	So, let me go back.
	The picture that we saw was of a miniature robot, in a way.
	It was very much, it was man-made.
	There was no way it came from nature.
	The structure that we all saw and we all talked about it afterwards.
	What did she show us?
	She got so mad at me.
	This professor said, why did you question it?
	I know I should not have showed you this.
	I know this was a mistake because this was her work that she was doing in the military.
	Wow.
	So, this picture, I remember it like a flashbulb instant.
	Never forgot that moment, and it was shocking, but none of us knew what to make of this, because think about being introduced to that kind of topic, and she never went into it after that.
	So, fast forward into my years as a private clinician, working in Metro Atlanta.
	Okay, so in that time, I was Before we go there, so like did you at that time did you do any further exploration or like or anyone in your class like to see what what she could have been showing you there?
	So when we asked her she was very angry.
	She told us that there's no we should have forgotten the picture that she showed us.
	She were never going to talk about it.
	We should never talk about it again.
	She was very upset that we questioned this, okay?
	Because it was, if you saw the picture, you would know without a shadow of a doubt, this was electron microscopy.
	This was something that was very mechanical looking.
	It was robotic, but how, at that point, we couldn't even comprehend it because again, we didn't have cell phones.
	She was saying that this was a neurotoxin from a bacteria.
	Yes, this was the neurotoxin that comes with mycoplasma pneumonia.
	It is what weakens the immune system and the body.
	And the problem is, even when the mycoplasma pneumonia goes away, this particular neurotoxin can stay and continue to multiply.
	Right.
	It's really strange.
	Do you still recall what it looks like?
	Slightly.
	I wish I would have wrote it down.
	Have you heard about the Italian vaccine study where they found all the nanometals?
	I would love to see those pictures.
	Maybe I would jog my memory because this is where this comes into a very important part.
	So, fast forward some years, I don't remember how many, but now I'm in my practice and I start seeing, I'm really good with patterns, meaning Looking at the patterns of people, their lymph nodes, their physical characteristics, etc.
	I started seeing a break in the pattern, meaning I started seeing posterior lymph nodes start coming up, which was a very odd place for them to be.
	We're talking about the back of the skull and the neck?
	Yes, yes, yes, that's correct.
	And a certain characteristic of this dry cough, the certain characteristic of a caudal headache, In the back, joint pain, sometimes different other neurologic symptoms with this.
	So anyway, since everybody had the same characteristic, I made a lucky guess.
	It was right by lab results.
	It was mycoplasma pneumonia.
	Now this mycoplasma pneumonia was it was like an outbreak.
	It was just crazy.
	And so I also noticed that With regular, just using regular doxycycline past the capsules or another atypical antibiotic, it wasn't really getting it treated and by blood test it wasn't going away.
	I'm like, well that's odd, but I was taught In medical school, always think.
	So if something doesn't work right, we remember the organism, how it functions, and if you remember the basic microbiology and you also know how an antibiotic works, then you could probably find a fit or figure out what was going on.
	So I'm like, okay, let me start researching this mycoplasm and look at the recent research.
	I was surprised to see there wasn't much recent research on it.
	And then I remembered about this neurotoxin.
	So I started looking up all the references and all the pictures to the electron microscopy pictures and there were many references.
	Now every one of them that I clicked on was gone.
	Not one picture was left.
	Blacked out, X'd out, missing.
	And we had, it was at least a hundred references.
	That's strange.
	You know about the way back machine?
	Yes, and I did not know about it then, though.
	Right, right, yeah.
	So this moment, I thought, this is very strange, and in my research of mycoplasma pneumonia, I also discovered it is a biological weapon of warfare.
	It is the number one used biological weapon of warfare used around the world, and the U.S.
	uses it as well.
	So this would explain a lot about the initial data I got from that organism and why we were told to forget about the neurotoxin part.
	So this is very interesting.
	This goes into, you know, what I was looking at there.
	So this goes into when I was in practice and with my students I was teaching and my colleagues, we all started seeing the same thing that this was truly an outbreak in the area.
	So what we have here is a constellation of symptoms that are not quite the typical symptoms, right?
	But your lab tests show the same bacteria that's a common community-acquired pneumonia pathogen, right?
	And then all of these cases are coming from the same geographic area, right?
	So it seems like they were all exposed to something.
	So are you thinking that there's some causal relationship between these like man-made nanoparticles that you noticed have disappeared from the internet and this illness?
	Absolutely, because the antibiotic alone would not get rid of all these symptoms.
	And then I remembered my training that there was a neurotoxin involved and that If anybody, anyone's body is overwhelmed with toxins, that will impair the immunity so that you cannot recover from an infection, even with the proper antibiotic.
	So knowing that, I remember the neurotoxin.
	So then I started to just do some brainstorming and there's a man, Dr. Shoemaker, he's pretty amazing.
	He did a lot of research with the neurotoxins of mold, so people who were infected with mold, and he realized he did an off-label use of something called cholesteramine powder.
	And he found that the cholestyramine powder act like a magnet and with the neurotoxins.
	And I, this was my idea.
	I said, well, that worked for that kind of neurotoxin.
	Perhaps it could work for this organism, this mycoplasma.
	We started to implement that with the patients.
	It worked great.
	Right.
	So this is basically using it as a chelating agent.
	Yes.
	Right.
	And cholestyramine does this with bile acids normally, and it's used for gallstones and sometimes high cholesterol.
	Right.
	And irritable bowel syndrome as well.
	Right, right.
	Lots of off-label uses.
	But basically using it as a chelating agent to soak up the neurotoxin so it can be removed probably through the liver.
	That is correct.
	And the guts, just from your bowel movements actually.
	Well, yeah, yeah, no, the liver through the liver to the gut, right?
	Yeah.
	Yes, that's correct.
	So that worked very well.
	And when we started seeing this, it started to Sometimes 90% of the population we were seeing had this mycoplasma pneumonia with the antibody levels.
	And this was quite a large number.
	So these numbers in the labs started to ring alarms with the public health department, the CDC, et cetera.
	And labs were investigated.
	All the labs were on par.
	There's nothing wrong with the labs.
	And then they just told us, the doctors in the clinic, to stop testing for it.
	If you don't test for it, the people don't have it.
	So I thought, no, the people are sick.
	They have to have a test.
	We have to know what's going on.
	And so I'm not going to stop testing for that.
	Well, this is like the exact opposite of the current situation where nobody's sick, but if you do more tests, you'll find more positives.
	Yes, it is.
	So, yeah.
	So, so, but that's a key thing, right?
	Because the number of tests you do determines the other, like what you find, right?
	So if you don't do any, you won't find anything.
	And, but you're already, Be able to treat these people successfully based on the symptoms, right?
	But you probably feel that that there should public health authorities should be addressing this matter more systematically.
	Absolutely.
	That's who as doctors we, you know, told to have faith in this system.
	And, you know, obviously it's it's failed us really badly at present.
	But at that time, right, like we no reason to think otherwise.
	I was very confused at that time because I thought I was being a good doctor, doing the right thing.
	The person had these symptoms, we got the test, it was positive.
	We treated them and then we redid the test and saw that either it was treated successfully or not.
	Depending on that, sometimes we're retreated.
	So I didn't understand what the big commotion was with the CDC nor the Public Health Department.
	That was just that so that was the beginning of my career.
	That is super fascinating and you could see how it would create all kinds of questions for you.
	I just want to point out for my viewers because you know we haven't talked about germ theory and terrain theory together but it's quite interesting that everything you described of how you addressed this illness actually fits with terrain theory and from that perspective I would understand it more as like this neurotoxin Whatever it is, if it's mechanical or biologic, that it basically caused the illness and the mycoplasma respond to try to clean up the damage from the toxin.
	And with antibiotics, you do remove the mycoplasma.
	They are responsible for most of the symptoms because of whatever they secrete that causes the inflammation and secretions.
	But it's really interesting to see how you could sort of take a set of observed Phenomena from some cases and interpret it, right?
	Very different ways and it could lead you in both directions validly, right?
	Depending on how you understand things.
	Yeah.
	And if you looked at, well, I remember looking at the, um, what the mycoplasma looked like under the microscope, it did look like more like exosomes.
	It looks like just parts of something, right?
	It wasn't really its own organism.
	It's far too big, you know, to compare to the size of exosomes, but it is really interesting.
	And you talked about it like needing to be in the host cell and they call that an obligate intracellular parasite.
	And actually, when you pasteurize dairy products, you actually convert other species of bacteria in that form.
	It's like a survival mechanism.
	And then they can be implicated in disease and be like parasitic on the body.
	So it's cool to know that.
	But of course, what we have here is a different situation going on.
	So how did you end up figuring this out, or did it just lead you to uncover other things that were suspicious?
	Well, like I said, one of the things I was always taught in medical school was to do a full exam.
	So, I always did a full exam no matter what the person came in for.
	So, I call that looking for the pattern, okay?
	So, when I see people, I see, you know, regular, how were the lymph nodes, their tissue texture, muscle texture, etc.
	So, whenever I start to see something different in that community, I call that a change in the pattern.
	So this mycoplasma was a change in the pattern and I found some different physical sources for that, or physical characteristics.
	So then go into tick season, well it wasn't tick season, it was October of 2008 and it was very Yeah, it was very icy at the time, very unusually icy for metro Atlanta.
	So this would be an unusual time for people to have tick bites.
	And I started to see a new pattern arise.
	So people were very, very ill.
	They felt like they had panic with this disorder, with this, sorry, infection.
	They were very panicky.
	They thought they were going to die.
	They just felt that way.
	I noticed that pattern.
	And also when they came in, they were, They had, you know, high fevers, really bad body shakes, terrible headaches, one of the worst headaches they've ever had, sometimes palpitations, sometimes shortness of breath with that or chest pressure, and sometimes they would have gone to the emergency room because they thought they were having a heart attack, and that would not be the case.
	Right.
	They also had a certain set of lymph nodes that I'd found on the anterior cervical chain and then they would have a slightly different color to their skin.
	It's hard to describe.
	Sometimes they would have a faint rash, sometimes they wouldn't.
	So we looked at the labs and we again did deductive reasoning and found out by their symptoms it was Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever but without the spots.
	Okay.
	Wow!
	This is like a life-threatening illness here, like we're always taught in medical school to, at least I was, like always consider Rocky Mountain spotted fever if you live in the Appalachian region, and it can mimic other diseases like syphilis, so you always consider it as a possibility, right, because it's so life-threatening.
	So you're seeing an Again, an unusual or atypical presentation.
	This time, not of a common illness, but of a rare life-threatening illness.
	That is correct, and it happened very suddenly in the community that I was in, and you can see that it appeared, and I had students at the time, they said the same thing, looks like it's respiratory droplet driven because of the way it was being communicated, or the way it was being passed on to different people, like a school bus driver, then everybody in that bus, the kids usually drive, or with that bus driver would get sick as well.
	It's funny that they never consider, well what if Everybody on the bus was just exposed to something that was on the bus.
	You're correct on that one.
	That is correct.
	So this was very much an alarm call because this definitely got the CDC's attention.
	So eight of the patients that we diagnosed were called by the CDC.
	So those would be like index cases, of course.
	And also the CDC called me many times and of course investigated the labs.
	The labs were on par.
	They matched the CDC's labs.
	So there's no problem there.
	I'll tell you, just for general context, if at any point there was one doctor's practice that had eight cases of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, that would make international news, I think.
	I don't think it's ever happened.
	Well, we had the data and the other doctors and some other practices were doing it.
	They got the same data.
	Wow.
	And the CDC, now it was covered up.
	Yeah.
	So the CDC with two of my patients sent out trucks to their homes.
	They didn't tell them beforehand, but they had the white hazmat suits on.
	The patients told me this.
	They went, they both had creaks and they went to their creek and took samples and then quietly went back and didn't tell them anything.
	I was, so all this went on and then I was contacted by a researcher from the CDC to question me.
	So many things we talked about, but he told me this, that the testing was not, I wasn't, I was using good practices by using the blood test.
	Okay, he was saying that, and that I was probably on to something, and that he gave me a clue in the next CDC report.
	There was a research study, and I saw that the research study was on their dog.
	They did a study on dogs, and I forgot how many, but They measured Rocky Mountain.
	They were all infected with Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.
	They measured the saliva of the dogs and the concentration of the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, the organisms, was high enough that it could be spread by salivary droplets.
	It could be transmissible between different dogs.
	That is what he said that the CDC's research said.
	But this is something that's never been observed or described before, right?
	You only get this from a pig bite.
	Well, this is what has been taught to us.
	This is why it didn't make sense to me.
	It didn't make sense to anybody.
	But when you're seeing people so sick, they've already been at the hospital, been discharged, and they still weren't better, you have to start, you know, thinking of different things and helping these people.
	When we did see these positive cases, we did treat them appropriately with the antibiotic schedule that you're supposed to for Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and they would respond very fast and very quickly, every single time.
	And then we would get to the labs again for the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and again, we'd see the antibody levels go away.
	So, were you ever able to culture any organisms from these patients, or was it just antibody tests?
	No there's no we didn't do any if this is some time ago now and the CDC didn't like well I guess if they interviewed the patients today they probably took samples and didn't share the results with They never shared anything of their findings with me except for one of the lead researchers calling me more than once and he was just intrigued and he actually encouraged me to continue the testing and then gave me that little hint with the dog study that they did saying that there could be another mode of transmission of this organism that we were testing for.
	Wow.
	So, did you think there was a foul play going on in this situation at the time?
	Well, I just thought it was very strange that we would see these things happen very quickly in the environment, and then all of a sudden they stopped very quickly.
	Then they started very quickly, then they stopped.
	For me, Mother Nature doesn't do that.
	Right, and you had two of these things like right in your It's so much easier to do experiments in your back door than to travel across the world.
	Yeah, it's pretty easy.
	you know, Atlanta's got a lot of government agencies there, the CDC, et cetera, by chance.
	It's so much easier to do experiments in your back door than to travel across the world.
	Yeah, it's pretty easy.
	All your facilities are there.
	So was there any other strange or worrisome interactions between you and any government employed scientists
	or other agents at that time, or did it?
	Yeah, universities, and I had an investigator, you know, from the federal government always harassing me, but, and I was always, you know, monitored, you know, looking at my files at cases, but we did excellent work at our clinics.
	Every I was dotted, every T was crossed.
	I mean, We really did a very good job in everything.
	But were they just looking for more cases or were they looking to like get you in trouble?
	What I was told was to stop testing people and to stop treating them.
	And those were the exact words coming out of their mouths.
	And even though that's like what you do for a living is test and treat people.
	I said, if I do that, then I'm being a bad doctor.
	I said, are you asking me to be a bad doctor?
	And they would be quiet at that point.
	Then they told me, just don't report the cases.
	So the public health department would just say, we're not going to report your cases.
	I said, but my cases list every criteria that you have.
	So this involved the CDC and the local health department for your county?
	The public health department, yes.
	For Atlanta or for the state of Georgia?
	It was both for the state and for the county.
	So you had three different levels of government officials basically telling you not to do what the law says you're supposed to do.
	Yes.
	For the rest of my career, yes.
	There, in Atlanta.
	Wow.
	That's incredible because, like, there are laws about, like, that you're supposed to report suspicious cases and certain communicable diseases, right?
	So they're essentially telling you to break the law and they're government officials at three different levels.
	That is correct.
	So this has got to, like, shake you up.
	Pretty seriously at the time.
	Yeah, and also, I didn't own the clinic when I first, in 2008, I had a boss, and you know, she was getting harassed as well, so she told me to stop testing.
	But I would not do the wrong thing for the patient, so I never stopped testing, because when they were very sick, or you know, a child came in there, an adult, it doesn't matter, when they're that sick and they're that scared, you're not going to treat them.
	You knew, I knew what they had, I knew the syndrome, I knew the test proved what they had, They treated them, they got better.
	I would never not be a good doctor, so I kept doing the right thing, and I kept, you know, keeping meticulous notes, meticulous lab reports, everything.
	But the harassment was real, and so then I said, well, I'll own my own clinic then.
	So that's what I did, and it helped a lot, but again, they always do catch up with you in the same story.
	Stop testing, stop treating them.
	This is very strange.
	And, you know, I always wanted to get a real scientific or a real common sense answer from them, but I never did get one.
	It was just, we don't need this.
	They said, we don't need this data getting out.
	Well, it's correct data.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Why would you want it to be covered up?
	And I said, perhaps it's a cross-reaction.
	I said, I'm not saying it's not.
	Then isn't this an interesting case for you to investigate on your own?
	Well, shouldn't we figure it out?
	It's some sort of a spirochete then, you know, something similar to that.
	It has the same symptoms of a spirochete and it's testing positive for it and it responds to treatment.
	So shouldn't we look into it then?
	It was a very strange response from the government entities.
	Yeah.
	So, um, Did this, I mean, were there other colleagues of yours who are experiencing the same thing?
	Because you did say that other practices or maybe other partners in your practice who are seeing the same clinical presentations, and were they harassed as well?
	Yes.
	So they saw this and were at first couldn't believe it.
	Then they started to treat the patients with these syndromes and said, yes, this is this is working.
	I can't believe it.
	Well, soon enough, after they had so many cases that they were treating or reporting, they were getting harassed as well.
	But You know, after a lot of pressures, you know, they stopped doing that.
	Some of them still continued, but they were like me, they had a lot of pressure to not test for it.
	And there's actually an association of infectious disease specialists called It was something so something it's an infectious disease specialist against tick illness.
	It was a very strange organization.
	So they actually went around to the hospitals and the teaching institutions in Georgia and our clinics to advise us that there was no such thing as tick illness and to not test for it.
	I thought that was a strange association.
	Yeah.
	So you think they may have been targeting you and your colleagues in some way.
	So how ultimately like did this Did that force you to make changes in your career, in your life, or?
	Oh, sure.
	You know, I took insurance companies and Medicare, Medicaid, you know, had hospital privileges, etc.
	But with all these entities, you have so much pressure from not following their protocols, which their protocols don't necessarily follow science, good science protocol.
	And in my opinion, I like to do my Hippocratic Oath first.
	Don't do no harm.
	I want to find, I want to have the science behind me that I'm not hurting the patient with what I'm doing or that I'm in their best interest.
	So different things.
	It may have been, you know, testing what I told you about for those organisms, but let's say vaccinations.
	So looking at vaccinations, I believe in informed consent.
	I still do.
	And so when someone asked me for a For instance, the flu shot.
	I said, okay, but you need to know everything about it.
	And here's the insert.
	So I gave him the insert, which is very rarely done.
	Yeah.
	So you need to see the side effects.
	And also I highlighted this certain portion because it says this vaccine has never been proven to prevent the flu, which it hasn't.
	They say that.
	And the person sees this and they're like, well, I don't want it.
	I said, okay, I'll mark it down that you don't want it.
	The problem is you don't get paid by insurance companies or Medicare if you don't have a certain percentage of people getting their vaccinations.
	I can't do that.
	So you're penalized financially by not following his protocols or cholesterol medicines too.
	I had lots of patients because we changed their diet, lifestyle, found underlying causes.
	So their cholesterol went down to a normal level.
	They didn't need their cholesterol medicine.
	These entities, insurance companies or government entities, told me that they needed to stay on their medicine even though all their scores looked great.
	There was no reason to keep them on the medicine.
	So I was penalized because a certain amount of people weren't on these drugs.
	It's just another example.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, Carrie, I think, um, people often misunderstand this and I think this is a good opportunity to help clarify because, you know, people say, well, okay, if you, uh, you know, are a cash, uh, fee for service type of doctor practice or a concierge practice or whatever that, you know, okay, then you're expensive, you're overcharging, you're doing it to get rich, but that's not really the case.
	What people need to understand is that when you take insurance, you're actually not working for the patient anymore.
	Now you're working for the insurance company because that's who you have the financial relationship with.
	And so you basically then have to make decisions based on what the insurance company wants rather than what's on right for the patient if you want to stay in business.
	And so that's why it's like important to get out of that system.
	And, you know, I would advise people to give up their insurance because you're basically spending a lot of money, um, you know, that you may not even use and it may not have value and you're giving up really your right to dictate the healthcare.
	I know it's difficult to negotiate the system, but there are certainly ways to meet your own health needs.
	Uh, almost, you know, all of them, uh, without really even relying on, on doctors hardly at all.
	So, you know, so it sounds like you made a move, right?
	I know that you're doing a concierge type practice now.
	So, you know, that's really motivated more by like wanting to do the right thing and work directly to help people, right?
	And I work the same way through a consultation model.
	That's a little bit different type of practice, but you know, someone pays me for my time and the information I provide.
	And my only goal is to give them high quality You know information that's going to assist them with their health, and I have no other incentive.
	I don't have to meet any quotas or deadlines or you know prescription benchmarks of any sort.
	Yes, and that's the way it should be.
	You should focus completely on your patient and your patient care.
	But what I realized, it was all red tape and exhausting to keep up with everything.
	How can you keep up with all of these protocols and measures that are are not in the patient's best interest and fight the insurance companies and then get a bigger and bigger crew of people trying to fight all these rules and laws and then focus still on your patient care and do the electronic medical records and do this.
	You need a staff of, you know, people, right?
	Yeah, so it just, yeah, the ball rolls downhill.
	But so I understand that you, so after this experience, you kind of changed things around and you decided to kind of stay quiet about controversial health care issues for a while.
	And then, you know, thankfully, in answer to all our prayers to have more doctors, you know, come out and tell the truth, you decided to speak out now at this time.
	And so what led you to that decision?
	And what have you been going through up to that point?
	And how frustrating was it to keep this to yourself all these years?
	Well, there's plenty of things that led me up to this point.
	Let's see, I guess...
	The vaccination issue, I've always had a problem with vaccines.
	I think I might have told you I started looking into it even when I was in high school because I didn't understand this disease or the infection of tetanus because I was taught that tetanus was something so terrible that once you got inoculated with this tetanus bacterium that you would start Your all your muscles would convulse so violently even your diaphragm would convulse so that you couldn't breathe and you would actually suffocate in a little ball on the ground.
	So this was this is what this is why we get the tetanus vaccine.
	Very frightening.
	So, I never heard of a person get this.
	I never saw them in the news.
	And so, I asked my parents, my family members.
	No one heard of it.
	So, then I went to college.
	I asked my professors.
	No one heard about it.
	Went to medical school.
	No one heard about it.
	They never knew about it.
	I went to my residency and my residency worked with some of the top infectious disease people.
	They actually did a research for me and came back and told me they had never found a true actual case that matched Koch's postulates.
	So, that There was no verification ever that this tetanus, crazy tetanus thing ever existed in any humans.
	I said, well then you're telling me that it doesn't exist, so why do we give the vaccine?
	Of course, I was told to shut up and that I shouldn't be questioning this and I should never bring this up again.
	At what level were you told that?
	This was in my residency program, Internal Medicine.
	And this was a teaching class that we had because I asked our professor attending to look this fact up for us.
	And he came back and this is what he reported.
	Well, everybody was upset saying, well, if there's no tetanus, why do we give the vaccine?
	And he told us all never to repeat that again, and that we should always recommend the tetanus vaccine no matter what.
	Wow, so this is like filling a room full of actual doctors, right?
	Because you're already a fully-fledged doctor at this time, basically to cover up this information and continue to provide a treatment that is not necessary.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely, that happened.
	I mean, I've had experiences similar to this too, you know, but I think for most people it's hard to believe.
	That this kind of stuff goes on and I'll tell you that if you know you mentioned Koch's postulates talking to me so that's something that I've researched heavily and done several presentations about in viral illnesses and I'll tell you that if you start looking for Koch's postulates for any illness you're not going to find it.
	Yeah.
	So you should definitely do that to some degree but because it'll Definitely changed things for you.
	I agree.
	But so the other thing was, did anyone ever hear of a true case happening?
	Let's say in Africa, for instance.
	You know, come on, they're not getting all the vaccinations there.
	So why don't we see and hear about this in the news?
	We don't even need our infectious disease experts to tell us.
	There is so many of these illnesses that, you know, like we, that I've never seen and, and never like, I mean, have you ever seen anyone sick from hepatitis B?
	I've never once seen them.
	Uh, you know, I've seen people test positive for antibodies, but I've never seen someone with liver failure from it.
	Um, I've never seen a case.
	I've never seen a case of measles.
	I've never seen a case of whooping cough or mumps.
	You know, none of those things.
	I have seen mumps and whooping cough before.
	I know that there are reports of it.
	They bashed all the criteria of it and they tested positive.
	But tetanus is a very extreme case, I feel.
	Like diphtheria is similar to that.
	This goes into the next thing about tetanus because I worked in a very poor, I trained in a very poor hospital in Detroit, okay?
	And so in the training, I realized that We would not give the tetanus vaccine to people in public assistance, which I thought was very strange.
	Now they got all the other vaccines, but they didn't get the HPV nor the tetanus.
	And nobody could give me an answer why.
	We gave them everything else.
	But now anybody else with private insurance got the tetanus vaccine.
	And whose policy was this?
	This was like, this is a city hospital?
	Was this Mercy?
	This was Detroit Riverview.
	It was, you know, a public hospital at the time.
	It's not there anymore.
	So this was like the state guidelines or was the hospital protocol?
	No, this was the state guidelines.
	So it was very, very strict.
	This was back, god, when was this?
	Like 2000, year 2000, let's say.
	So they had different guidelines if you were black or white?
	No, no, this is just public assistance, social, you know, they were on welfare.
	Different guidelines if you're on public assistance.
	That is correct.
	Sorry, that's correct.
	No, okay.
	No, no, that's important to know.
	But I mean, nonetheless, like, why would there be any difference?
	Because we're talking about for the health, not for the expense of it, right?
	You are correct.
	And every time I questioned it, nobody could give me an answer.
	They didn't know either.
	They were just following the protocol.
	So not using, you know, any sort of reasoning.
	So then I also noticed, because I was helping to deliver the babies, this is labor and delivery, that my gosh, some of these women were so fertile and they were so unhealthy.
	They were morbidly obese.
	They had every comorbidity you could ever think of, sometimes on drugs, and they had 20 kids.
	But, I would also notice the people that really tried to take care of themselves, they were so infertile.
	And I remembered thinking, tetanus, is that a link?
	Because they never got tetanus, but these people got tetanus.
	So, I started a research about tetanus and infertility, and I found more than one source to confirm this.
	That the Latino countries, there are three of them, the Vatican actually exposed the National Institute of Health for having an abortion vaccine and it was the tetanus vaccine.
	So they were giving all these Latino women, only the ones that were of childbearing years, the tetanus vaccine.
	So no men were getting it, no children, only women of childbearing age.
	The Vatican thought that was suspicious.
	They had the vaccine analyzed and found that the human chorionic gonadotropin, Was inside of it.
	So that means the body would mount an immune response when the woman's HCG level would rise.
	So when she was pregnant, the body would attack the pregnancy early.
	She wouldn't even know that she was pregnant.
	She would abort it within the first month.
	The NIH actually said, yes, it is the abortion vaccine.
	They admitted it publicly.
	They said they've been working on it since 1972.
	They didn't apologize for it.
	This was the plan.
	But they deployed this vaccine without informed consent.
	That is correct.
	Actually, I've done a little research on this, and there are so many studies on this vaccine strategy that there's a review article that summarizes all the studies.
	So they have this vaccine, With just HCG, right, the pregnancy hormone, like you described, and it's been shown to cause infertility.
	So, they developed it for that purpose, tested it, and published it in scientific journals.
	So, that's no secret, and I'm sure maybe they were saying they don't apologize for maybe funding that research or supporting it, right?
	but how could they not apologize for giving this to unsuspecting people that did not consent to it?
	That's- Exactly.
	And nothing was ever done except they stopped giving that vaccine in these countries,
	but nothing ever came of that.
	And I also questioned at the time I was in training, and I questioned this with my attendings, I said, okay, well, what about the other countries that are getting this lot, this batch, or this type of vaccine?
	How do we know we're not distributing that in the United States?
	And they just looked at me and they didn't have an answer.
	How do we know that we're not using the same vaccine everywhere?
	And there wasn't an answer.
	Right.
	So that was left up in the air.
	Wow.
	And there's a, there's a similar story about, I think it's the Bill Gates' Global Vaccine Alliance doing, deploying a vaccine like this in Africa as well.
	Yes.
	Quite a large number of, of young women.
	So, yeah, so, so you can see, you know, how suspicious you might become of vaccines when you start uncovering information like this.
	And it's right there at the opening.
	I mean, you know, I, of course, received the same kind of medical school propaganda about vaccines that you did, right?
	And it wasn't a lot of time, but essentially the story was vaccines are the biggest, you know, advance in healthcare in the modern era.
	And without them, we'd all, you know, be suffering and dead.
	And they make sure everybody gets all of them and gets them on the right schedule.
	But they never said, you know, here are the studies that show vaccines work.
	They did tell us the theory, you know, about that it creates antibodies and all that, but no actual studies that show that that's true or anything like that, right?
	So, when you investigate it, and it took me a while because, you know, there's a lot of factors working against you if you're a doctor, especially.
	I mean, some people are just really You know, extremely enthusiastic about vaccines, that everyone should be vaccinated, and that you're, you know, basically a murderer if you speak out against it, right?
	Yeah.
	But once you actually look, like you don't have to look very hard or far to see that, one, there's a lot of data showing they're harmful, and then You know, two, there's all of these other problems, like the, for example, special immunity from liability for the industry.
	Like, why would you have that if, unless you have something that's harmful?
	And then deceit.
	Right.
	Just being deceitful to the public and to the medical community.
	They're lying to us.
	Yeah.
	Having a secret court.
	Yeah.
	You know, like the CDC pulling funding from Harvard when they showed that the rate of adverse effects was much higher than in the VAERS database, right?
	So all these little things.
	You don't even have to get into the overt corruption of giving, you know, vaccines causing infertility to, you know, you can even just go with the main government things and you start to see, well, holy cow, there's something that's not right about this.
	And, you know, why are they vilifying, you know, Dr. Wakefield or other people like that?
	Like, he just made a scientific observation.
	Like, if you look at the paper, he didn't even make a strong statement.
	Yeah.
	You know, and then, uh, you know, they're like trying to pull his license away and, and such like that for unethical research.
	So, um, you know, it's really astounding, but you've done some like specialized research looking at the, proposed technology for this COVID-19 vaccine, right?
	That is...
	Did you want me to get into the meetings that I attended?
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely, right? Because that's all related, actually, to the vaccine.
	So, I told you that story because showing that I always had an interest in vaccines
	to research everything about them, and also it made me suspicious about what was the motivation
	behind vaccines. So, I attended a couple meetings that was of interest in 2014, 2015.
	I'll start with, let's see, Dr. Craig Venter, which was the Human Genome Project.
	He was giving a speech at the World Congress meeting in Las Vegas, I think around 2014.
	And he was bringing up the idea of How we can modify people's genomes and how vaccines would be very useful in doing that.
	Now, this was in the context of, you know, like curing genetic diseases or was this for another problem he was talking about?
	No, he actually brought up the idea of the designer babies first, of how we could make a better human, okay?
	So, maybe we wanted to have a baby with blue eyes or a special muscular build or whatever you want, And they could do the designer babies, and it was pretty easy to do.
	And they found more simplified ways of doing this.
	But what if we could extrapolate this to whole populations of people?
	That's what he was bringing up.
	And he was saying that, of course, when you start manipulating the genome and you put something that is not from nature, you're making a synthetic part of the genome there.
	And he felt that since they were working so hard on their research and development, all these scientists and these companies, they should get credit for their work.
	So he's the one that brought up the idea of patenting And owning part of a genome, which this was horrifying for me to hear that we could even think about doing this on a human being.
	And he's the one, this is how I understood that with the, with our highest court, that it was okay at the moment to still patent a part of a genome and own it.
	So he also said he had a vested interest in that and that he had some lobbyists in the courts and with politics so that this would continue.
	Okay, so this gives you an idea of the motivations behind people.
	Is this really in the best interest of humanity and for the health of everybody?
	He also brought up interject something here because there's there been some really good research on this issue of patenting things that might be implanted in our body.
	So I would definitely encourage people to look at James Corbett.
	He has a great piece on this and goes into it in detail, but there's a few different ways this could play out.
	So one is if there's A device implanted in us that could be patented.
	And then we'd have patented device inside of our body.
	And that's similar to what you're talking about.
	If the gene, like they're putting a specific gene in us, like even, even the gene that they say is from the virus that they want to put in, in this vaccine, right, is a patented gene, uh, eventually.
	And then because it's put in a certain kind of plasmid and, and then lastly, even more importantly, that you can obtain a patent on a genetically modified organism.
	So like some of the DNA vaccine strategies, and I'm sure this is the drop in the bucket compared to what Dr. Bentner was talking about, will insert the gene into your nucleus.
	So that's like the definition of a genetically modified organism.
	So it's possible that even our entire body could be a pattern, right?
	as a modified organism and it's really really scary because essentially it means that we would be under license
	agreements that could be negotiated without our knowledge that we could be
	manipulated in any which way because we'd be property.
	That is correct.
	And he also mentioned that since they were modifying the genome of organisms, they would put their names because a genome can be read as a language, you know, and you can convert that into a binary code as well.
	And so he said when they were modifying the genome, they would put their signature, their names, the scientists, into the genome, which this was horrifying for me to hear because this is branding people and plants and animals.
	And I just can't, this is wrong on every level.
	It almost places them in the role of creator or God, right?
	They're saying that they're putting their signature on their creation of this person.
	That's really perverse.
	And that's exactly what he said.
	He said, what is God?
	God creates.
	Well, we can create now.
	And those were his exact words to the audience.
	So I bring that up because one thing is that it shows you the motivation behind some of
	the people that are developing these technologies and that have influence over different companies
	and organizations and with the CDC, the World Health Organization.
	So, he also brought up how The smartphone could be involved too.
	He didn't put all the pieces together, but he did say that one day in the future that we could download our own vaccines from the phone.
	And I never knew that was beyond my comprehension at the time.
	I didn't understand how that was possible.
	But he kind of left us with that.
	There's other things he said, but I think it's important to move on to the next meeting that I learned about, or that I attended.
	And that one was a business meeting.
	It was a Metro Atlanta business meeting.
	It was business owners, and I was new to the organization.
	This particular meeting We didn't, our cell phones didn't work in the room and we were bused into the meeting, let's put it that way, and there are many big names there and as well as the small local businesses, some of the owners there.
	You're saying like that they jammed your cell signal?
	It did not work in the building, that's all I can tell you.
	And I was on call, so they didn't want me to leave the building and I had to have an argument with them saying, I'm on call, I need to check my phone at least, it does not work in here.
	And finally they let me out because I was like, are you telling me I'm trapped in a meeting?
	So that was pretty... I should have known then something was not right, right?
	It was not a regular meeting.
	So anyhow, the meeting goes something like this.
	They're out there on their podium saying that this is a meeting because we need to talk about the future of Atlanta.
	We're trying to grow Atlanta, but we're having trouble bringing new corporations in from other countries because Atlanta has some negative things about it.
	One of them is the education system is not on par with the rest of the U.S.
	That's correct.
	Another one is Atlanta has a problem with racism.
	That's correct.
	The third one, Atlanta has a problem with new cultures, different ideas because they just have not been introduced to that before.
	And that's correct.
	So how do we get, those are the concerns of companies from other countries.
	So how do we correct that quickly?
	Well, they have an idea.
	So they brought up the smart phones with the health app on them.
	They said the best way to describe what can happen, or how we can make this work is give you an example and this is the example they gave to us.
	So the example that they gave, they were doing a conversation between two women, Susie and
	Brenda.
	And Susie was in the middle of Atlanta and she gets a phone call from Brenda.
	And Brenda said, Susie, where are you?
	You're supposed to meet me at the restaurant at five o'clock.
	And Susie said, Oh, I'm sorry, I'm running late at the gym.
	As soon as she said that the phone lights up and beeps and tells her she's lying.
	the phone knows she's lying because of these characteristics from her body.
	The body has the ability to link up to her biosensors.
	So it knows she's lying from the GPS, of course.
	Also knows she's lying because the polygraph test from the electrodermal analysis is so good, it's on par with the police station.
	And it knows she's lying.
	The third one is the voice inflection app.
	They said this is perfect, that it knows that your voice when you're lying, Also, the blood alcohol content would be automatically measured in her and she was above the legal limit because the biosensors can mark that.
	It knows that she's at the bar instead of the gym, so she was lying from the GPS.
	It knows how many steps she's taken, her heart rate, her blood pressure, you know, all these other things as well.
	So, it would know that in a millisecond.
	And it would give her feedback that she's lying in more than one way.
	They never told us all the ways the feedback would come back at her.
	They also brought up that there would be an accumulation of points from how many times you lied, so there would be repercussions, kind of like a social credit system.
	This is, and I swear to you, the meeting that I attended that they talked to with all of us present.
	So we're basically talking about a surveillance and manipulation technology.
	So people clapped.
	There's a standing ovation.
	That means a lot of people were for this technology, which very much scared me.
	I did not clap.
	I did not stand.
	I was in shock.
	They did talk about where was this data going, they did say into the cloud, they did say there was a problem with privacy, that they didn't, they haven't really figured out who was getting it and where it was going.
	Even if no one gets it, I mean, they know if your privileges in society are based on this, everybody will know, right?
	Obviously, right?
	And they felt like they would have pilot cities, Atlanta would be a pilot city, and to test this out.
	And they felt they could modify the behavior of a population within the month easily.
	And this was horrifying to me to know that they planned on doing this.
	And they, their own words saying, this will happen, not maybe, it will happen.
	So Carrie, what year was this?
	This was 2015.
	Okay, so we're talking about five years ago.
	So, I'm sure you're familiar, maybe you talked about this, but Microsoft has an international patent, which so-called has the number 060606, and it describes a technology that would do exactly what you just laid out there.
	It's a biosensor, which includes monitoring brainwaves.
	But all other physical parameters, movement, location, and as well as sampling of body fluids and such.
	And it's tied directly to a cryptocurrency mining software, which essentially is a way to get money in a digital money, right?
	So basically, based directly on your behavior, you would either have money added or subtracted from your account.
	Right, based on the same kind of surveillance that you're describing.
	So this is not just talk at this point, but there's actually a patent on the technology to carry this out from a major U.S.
	corporation.
	And, you know, they started doing some biometrics with testing with the vaccine in Africa already.
	And MasterCard and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is behind that one.
	So that's already in place.
	So we've heard about a number of different technologies in terms of this kind of, you know, coming surveillance state and contact tracing, aside from just the smartphone, but we've, we've heard about, you know, implantable chips, including RFIDs.
	We've heard about the, what is it called?
	The micro dot technology with Hydrogel and the Luciferase.
	Right.
	So what, what's your sense of like, what do you, do you have a sense of which technology is most likely to be utilized or exactly how this might play out?
	I know you've looked at DARPA research and other sources like that.
	Well, I think when you're talking about a chip or, you know, something physical that you can see, that's outdated.
	If you talk about, I'm from Dearborn, Michigan, so we believe in Henry Ford, it's a Model T of technology.
	If you're looking at nanotechnology, we would, it's just outdated.
	Nobody would really do that.
	The current idea is to use the nanotechnology and the best way mode of application would be hydrogel because once it goes subcutaneously your body won't reject it.
	That's important because almost any other foreign object you have the chance of getting rejected.
	But the hydrogel is perfectly in tune and in alignment with our own body structures.
	It won't reject it and it's very easily applied.
	You can have millions of these little nanobots inside of you with just a little tiny amount of an injection and they are, they could be there lifelong.
	So nanobots would be basically in the hydrogel medium?
	Yes, and that's what they're proposing if you look at their research.
	So let me just explain to everyone basically what hydrogel is, is that it's a synthetic biopolymer, so it's not made of the same substance as our tissue, but that it's Basically compatible with our tissue and actually forms the exact shape to sort of fit in to our tissues in such a way that it maintains permanent resonance there and then can interface.
	And I think it even can develop its own blood supply.
	Tell me if I'm correct where, so basically blood vessels would grow into the hydrogel as if it were a new tissue, and then they'd be able to sample from those blood cells with various technologies that could measure Yes, and it goes throughout the entire body, and it has innumerable things it can do.
	It can assemble, and disassemble, and reassemble, maybe forever in your body.
	We don't know all the data on that, but it's very possible.
	And also, there's research to suggest that it can actually grow more of itself as well.
	Really?
	Like self-replicating?
	Like prions?
	Exactly.
	And the raw materials, I guess, would be available in our bodies already from nutrients or other biomolecules.
	So this would be the perfect way to hook up to any, you know, the internet of everything or any smart device.
	You don't need a smartphone then.
	You can automatically just hook up directly to the cloud.
	So you could have potentially a nano antenna and receiver and transmitter Right, that could be embedded in the hydrogel that could receive various types of fire, electromagnetic signals and process information and then transmit information.
	Direct connection with the cloud, so to speak, from your body.
	And this goes back to what Dr. Venter, Craig Venter, was talking about, that we could download our vaccines.
	Now this gets a little sci-fi, but everything is a code, essentially, when you break it down.
	Right.
	So what he was saying, with the hydrogel, you could actually put a code, a signal, it could be sound or light signal, into where the hydrogel is, and then your body would make that substance.
	So it could make the vaccine, it could make the drug.
	This is frightening, because who's in control of that, and when and where you get it, and what are you getting?
	Right, so in other words, like, our biology could be programmable remotely, and our physiology could be changed, like it could create a mutation that could afflict us with an illness, it could affect our fertility, right, it could affect healing, like virtually any biological process.
	Absolutely.
	And this is the technology they were talking about in both the business and the scientific meeting that I went to.
	And this is why I am so, I'm trying to get the word out to as many people as possible to warn them, because whether or not you believe it could work, they believe it can.
	And this is, you know, this is all like the, how I found out about this, right, was initially, I heard about it from Celeste Solem, but I went and looked up And it's not that hard to find because DARPA website describes their research projects.
	And then also the contractor who developed this, who won the grant, describes the technology to some degree.
	So like this is not, you know, totally covert.
	It's more like what they're going to do with it.
	That is the covert part.
	And so I want to bring up that Italian study again about the nanometals, because I think it illustrates an important point.
	Which is that, so what this happened, it was several years ago, I wanna say somewhere 14, 15 or 16, these two researchers who are electron microscopists, they basically bought every vaccine on the market in Europe.
	And it was like 30 different vaccines or something like that.
	And they looked at them under a special type of electron microscope.
	And what they found is in every single example, they found these rare and exotic Metal particles that were basically nanoparticles of different metals.
	And if you like take a look at this paper, there's a table in there that describes what was found in every one and have like a periodic table of the elements next to you.
	You can find everything in the middle of the table, practically, right?
	That's not radioactive or a gas.
	You can find it on there.
	And so this, basically these things are already in our bodies.
	And it's not been disclosed in any way.
	So if you go and look up the package insert where it lists the ingredients, you'll not find anything about these metals listed there.
	When the researchers tried to contact the manufacturers, they said that they didn't know anything about it, right?
	But they did also say that it couldn't have been from the machines they used to manufacture it, because they're not made of the same materials.
	So basically, if we have this example where these things that we know could be potentially harmful because some of these metals were very toxic, like things like antimony, which is one of the most toxic metals besides mercury, was in there in small amounts.
	So if these harmful substances can end up in our vaccines without any disclosure at all, it would be easy to reason that hydrogel could end up in a COVID vaccine without any disclosure.
	And then it sounds like because of the nature of this property that once it's inside of your body, there's really not much you can do about it.
	That's what my research shows.
	That once it's in, that perhaps we can never get it out of our bodies.
	I don't know of any way to get it out.
	And it looks like it could exist forever in our body.
	That's a very scary thought.
	Yes, it is.
	So, you know, it's important for people out there to really, you know, do some serious research before you, you know, decide to take any vaccine, but especially this vaccine, because in addition to, you know, possibly putting materials in here that are suspicious and that would not be disclosed, there's also pretty much overtly what they're doing, which is, you know, rushing a vaccine for a virus that they've never been successful With developing a vaccine for any coronavirus, right?
	And they say there are hundreds of these things.
	And this would be the quickest approval for a vaccine in history.
	Yes.
	Right?
	And they have already announced that they're basically sidestepping much of the safety testing.
	And we know that there have been already two cases of serious neurological complications from people in the trial, you know, getting an experimental version of this.
	At least one in the AstraZeneca trial and I think the other one was in the Moderna trial.
	And, you know, who knows what else might be there.
	That's what they're admitting to.
	I'm sure they're not admitting to everything either.
	Right.
	And even then they, you know, they try to mitigate it by like saying that it's a, you know, it's a level 2A side effect or something like that, which really, you know, it's kind of meaningless, right?
	Instead of saying that, oh, they basically have meningitis or they're paralyzed.
	You know, which is probably because those are common facts reactions.
	If you look in the Bears database, you'll see lots of those.
	So, you know, it's really important to think carefully before you decide and I know there's going to be a lot of coercion and there's might even be, you know, serious things tied to this like, you know, that for example, in Australia, they already have a law like this.
	that says that you can't qualify for government benefits unless you submit to the required vaccines for your children, right?
	So this could be a major strategy of coercion and manipulation.
	So it's gonna take a lot of fortitude to be able to refuse, but do know that you're taking a big risk if you agree to take this.
	And sometimes people ask me, you know, is there a protocol that you could, you know,
	detox yourself after you take it or mitigate the effects?
	And, you know, there certainly isn't for hydrogel.
	That's for sure.
	This one's a game changer, I tell people.
	It's a game changer and it's on a level I just never thought I would see in my lifetime.
	And just think that very quickly, you lose all of your autonomies, your freedoms.
	I can't believe the ramifications of what this could have for humanity.
	But we need to say no.
	We need to be strong about this because it's worth fighting for.
	Our ability to be human, sovereign souls is at stake.
	It really is.
	I'm not exaggerating on that one.
	Well, no.
	I mean, we're talking here about the sanctity of our own bodies, right?
	And no one else has the right or authority in any way to dictate Uh, you know, what happens to our physical bodies.
	And so this is really, uh, you know, extremely, extremely important, uh, line in the sand.
	And, you know, once you give up that, the sanctity of your own body, there's really nothing left.
	Yeah, you're right.
	And, you know, people are going to make a lot of money on this.
	You know, you need to follow the money, like I'm sure you know.
	Follow the money and you know exactly what's going on and who's going to gain from this and why they're doing this and what is the reason, what's the purpose?
	It's pretty easy to figure that out.
	Listen, it's a goldmine right now if you want to do any business related to COVID.
	So if you want to make a test, if you want to make a vaccine, You're going to get millions of dollars in government handouts, and then you're going to get complete immunity from liability.
	So you can't be sued.
	So there's no, you could, I, you know, we could make a PCR test and, you know, probably in one day and start selling it if we had the manufacturing facilities.
	Right.
	But it would be obviously totally unethical, but, but we would get rich quick.
	Yeah.
	And that's, uh, so there's this boom going on now for, People in certain industries, but it's not for the public good.
	Yeah, the Emergency Preparedness Act threw out all the checks and balances we ever had in science or medicine, just went out the window.
	So people are forgetting that.
	They think that we still have those in place.
	They weren't even that great before, but at least we had them.
	We don't have them anymore.
	We literally, it's the Wild West going on and our bodies and our freedoms are at stake.
	That's right.
	Well, thank you so much for like coming on and delivering this really strong message and warning for people out there.
	And, you know, I'd like to have you come on for another discussion about, you know, some lighter subjects in the future.
	But this is, you know, just the most important thing that we, you know, get this message out here.
	Is there any concluding points or anything you'd like to tell the listeners or how they can learn more about you?
	I just want to tell everybody that we do have the power.
	There are so many more of us than there are of those people trying to control us.
	And I do have lots of faith and hope and love that we can, we have a window of opportunity now.
	If we take it and we stand up for ourselves and we have unity with each other and a voice, and we say no to this vaccine, say no to the censorship, say no to taking away our human rights and our constitutional rights, We can make this world a much better place for ourselves.
	So we need to come together and we need to start voicing our opinion.
	And yeah, I mean, I can find you on Facebook under my name, YouTube, you know, Twitter, the regular channels.
	Gary, I mean, it's really so important for people to see this because, you know, in history over and over again, governments have done harm to their own people.
	Um, and you know, if you can see that there's this potential now, then it's not too late for us to stand up.
	And like you said, you know, with love and respect, not as an us versus them military revolution, but simply making a decision for yourself that you're going to not going to go along with any further restrictions that you're, that you're going to exert your own autonomy and ability to decide what to do for your life and what to believe.
	about what's going on, and don't let anyone stand in your way.
	And if we all do that, and we all, you know, reach out, support each other, find common ground, right, give each other lots of hugs, that we're going to be all able to overcome this and, you know, create a new reality for ourself that is going to prevent this from happening again.
	That's correct.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Enjoyed being on here, Dr. Kaufman.
	Me too.

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