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Oct. 8, 2020 - Jim Fetzer

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LIVE Need to Know Vice Presidential Debate Coverate 07 October 2020

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	Okay, we're live, Professor.
	Well, Giuseppe, it's just delightful to be here with you again.
	We had a wonderful time at the very first Biden-Trump debate, except, of course, Joe Biden wasn't actually present.
	It was a body double.
	I mean, isn't that amazing, Giuseppe?
	That eye color difference is really, really compelling.
	Well, the ears.
	The ears are really definitive.
	Where Joe has lobes and the face of Biden has no lobes.
	The face is narrower.
	He's kind of a diminutive version of Joe Biden, but it's just amazing to me these things happen.
	Well, you know, as you've documented literally for more than a decade, but especially under the example of Hillary Clinton, holy cow, that was so obvious.
	The most obvious one was, you know, she's kind of a lumbering ox these days with a lot of badonkabunk.
	I know, I know!
	It was really, she was very younger, thinner, more attractive, pleasant.
	and who comes out but a spelt meg ryan hillary i think i would like to know if
	it is that the that was really is very younger and thinner more attractive
	all-star that's where it's really a lot of the other because she was pleasant
	it occurred that's it That's right!
	She actually did have that kind of pleasant energy, and normally Hillary is like, ugh, yeah, so dissonant.
	Yeah, it's funny.
	Now Giuseppe, Tucker had a series of hosts, guests on, and they were very, very good.
	And some are reviewing the host of issues on which Kamala Harris is highly vulnerable.
	She wanted to do away with ICE.
	She wants open borders.
	She wants felons to vote.
	She wants to get all these people out of prison.
	I mean, there's an endless list here.
	And where she has supported in the past the idea of packing the court, where you may recall that the Biden stand-in was finessing the question.
	And there's a very good reason because, you know, and on the Green New Deal, because, you know, if he's not supportive of the Green New Deal, then he's going to antagonize his base.
	And if he is supportive, he's going to antagonize the rest of the country.
	And it's similar On court packing and the justices he would nominate, because the justices he would nominate are going to satisfy the base, but appall the rest of the country, or vice versa.
	So I think these candidates are both impaled on the horns of a dilemma, and that's why they're being so evasive and non-responsive to perfectly straightforward legitimate questions.
	Now, you know, I haven't really researched the whole idea of court packing.
	The way I understood court packing historically was that you'd change it from nine Supreme Court justices to like 27.
	Is that what they're trying to do?
	Oh, not to 27, but maybe to 12 and whatnot.
	Just enough so they can get their preferred justices in to override the influence.
	See, if it's not 6 to 3, they're going to want to pack it enough to overcome the 6 by expanding the 3 I mean, that's the idea.
	And it's a terrible idea.
	And if they want to abolish the filibuster, you see, I mean, that really deprives the minority of the right to express and defend its opinion.
	No doubt.
	Before we roll into this, though, Giuseppe, I wanted to run by you a thought I had here reflecting on the coronavirus phenomenon.
	I mean, look, the flu kills like three times more than the coronavirus.
	Have you ever heard of a president being held responsible for the number of people who died in the country from the flu?
	That is really well stated, really well stated.
	I mean the point is, and here's something else, since he was told there could be 2.2 million deaths, if you consider 200,000 to be the number who have died, which is grossly inflated, Donald Trump has saved the nation 2 million lives.
	There he is, the great one.
	Scorpio's here.
	Excellent.
	Hey, hey guys.
	Just terrific, glad to have you here.
	Thank you, Jim.
	This is great, man.
	This is going to be good.
	I love the plexiglass barrier.
	Nice symbology for the future.
	We all have to be afraid of one another.
	Right, but she's going to claim this is how Trump has divided the nation by this plexiglass barrier.
	You know, the one time you really need a plexiglass barrier from ceiling to floor is when you're urinating next to big Mike Obama.
	Yeah, this is Susan Page who's going to be the moderator tonight, so we may want to hear what she has to say.
	Okay, I'll bring it up to volume.
	Not to cheer, or to boo, or to hiss, or to laugh, because that is distracting for the people we are really staging this debate to reach.
	There will be two times when you can applaud.
	That will be when I announce the two candidates on the stage.
	They'll come on the stage simultaneously.
	That'll be a time to applaud.
	And then applaud again at the very end of the debate.
	But if you could restrain your enthusiasm between those two times, I'd appreciate it.
	And if you could send me a little good karma, that would also be appreciated, but quietly.
	I'm going now to sit down and get settled and turn my back to you, but not in a rude way.
	And I'll see you on the other side.
	Thanks again for being here.
	Now we've got a couple minutes before she brings him in.
	I've not thought this was a bad person to be a moderator.
	She's a pretty mild-mannered person.
	I'm not aware of her having very strong political opinions, but that's not true of others they have hosting these debates.
	Oh yeah.
	She, she seems like, uh, nothing like that, uh, Scully guy who's coming next week, man.
	Is he a biased dude, huh?
	I know he was a never Trumper.
	Or Chris Wallace, who is, who is, who is defending Biden.
	There are six or eight different times when Chris Wallace came to the defense of Joe Biden to cut off serious issues that Trump was nailing him on.
	That was unbelievable.
	Yep.
	We lost Scorpio.
	Oh, did we?
	I can bring him back. Let's see. DVD, DVD. There he is.
	There he is.
	He must have dropped off a little bit.
	I'm alive, yes.
	The Ecuadorian leftists are trying to block you, Scorpio.
	I'm too close to the truth, guys.
	That's why it's happening.
	Well, I believe that Pence will do a very fine job of upholding the position of the administration and that Kamala will flounder repeatedly when she's put on the spot with positions where she has contradicted herself over the years, which are many, many in number.
	I think she's going to try and do a Trump and come at Pence so much with her prosecutorial experience that he will be on his heels.
	But I don't think it's going to work.
	He's pretty unflappable.
	Yeah, he's got a great demeanor for an exchange of this caliber or kind.
	What do you predict, Scorpio?
	Uh, I hope she tells the story again about being that poor little underprivileged girl on the school bus.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Her and AOC, right?
	Yeah.
	Too much.
	Too much.
	Her father was a professor at, uh, what was it?
	Um, uh, what university in Northern California?
	Uh, one of those elite schools.
	I forget.
	Right.
	Right.
	One of those elite ones.
	Right.
	Right, right.
	Here's my adrenochrome blood.
	Bye.
	Can't be without it.
	That's the secret to your youth, huh?
	Okay.
	That's right.
	Pelosi was actually attacking Trump saying she thought there was something wrong with him psychologically or mentally because of steroids.
	It was outrageous!
	Pelosi should talk, my God.
	Well, I know.
	I know.
	She's given a medical or psychological diagnosis.
	OK, here we go.
	All right, let me turn the volume up.
	She's actually speaking.
	We can't hear her.
	We can't hear her.
	Can you turn it up?
	Just have to cut.
	No, this is the part they don't want you to hear.
	It's up as loud as it can be, Tim.
	OK.
	This was like, remember at the presidential debate, you couldn't hear?
	Here it goes.
	Here it goes.
	Yeah.
	This is just for the locals who are there.
	We lost Scorpio again.
	Oh, okay, let me bring him back.
	He'll be back in a second.
	Yeah, they, he normally has good internet, but they mess with him a lot.
	So, he's, he's, he's, well, you know what that's about, so.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So the coverage from the virus has the White House.
	Oh, you know what, Jim?
	Big goings on in Milwaukee with the riots and the National Guard.
	My youngest brother went and shot some video footage for us for tomorrow.
	Oh, wonderful.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, the riots are such a grim reality and the Democrats are supporting and sponsoring them and the Republicans.
	Yeah.
	It's insane to me that they're not behind by 20 points just on that alone.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	There he is.
	There he is.
	He's back.
	Isn't it strange seeing a completely empty auditorium at a presidential debate?
	It's surreal, isn't it?
	Yes, yes.
	Bizarre.
	And seeing all the people sitting there with their masks on?
	Give me a break.
	I know, so ridiculous.
	It's so...
	You know, they're treating this as though it were the bubonic plague, when it's milder than a cold.
	I mean, it's really the equivalent, and it's outrageous.
	Yeah, I mean, the few people who do get that mutated bioweapon, the true SARS-CoV... Here's our first comment.
	Am I the first to say hello, guys?
	That's cool.
	Oh cool, Dirt Engineer from Revolution Radio, right?
	Yeah, he's one of the, he has that good show, he's a sharp guy, sharp guy.
	Hello Dirt Engineer, thanks for joining us.
	The um, uh, what the heck was I, I lost my train of thought, did I make my point?
	I don't even know.
	That's funny.
	Alright, so... Where in the world are the candidates?
	They'll walk out here shortly.
	They're getting decontaminated.
	Good evening.
	From the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, welcome to the first and only vice presidential debate of 2020, sponsored by the Nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates.
	I'm Susan Page of USA Today.
	It is my honor to moderate this debate, an important part of our democracy.
	In Kingsbury Hall tonight, we have a small and socially distant audience, and we've taken extra precautions during this pandemic.
	Among other things, everyone in the audience is required to wear a face mask, and the candidates will be seated 12 feet apart.
	The audience is enthusiastic about their candidates, but they've agreed to express that enthusiasm only twice at the end of the debate and now when I introduce the candidates.
	Please welcome California Senator Kamala Harris and Vice President Mike Pence.
	Pence is on the right and Kamala on the left.
	Thank you.
	Senator Harris and Vice President Pence, thank you for being here.
	We're meeting as President Trump and the First Lady continue to undergo treatment in Washington after testing positive for COVID-19.
	We send our thoughts and prayers to them for their rapid and complete recovery and for the recovery of everyone afflicted by the coronavirus.
	The two campaigns and the Commission on Presidential Debates have agreed to the ground rules for tonight.
	I'm here to enforce them on behalf of the millions of Americans who are watching.
	One note, no one in either campaign or at the commission or anywhere else has been told in advance what topics I'll raise or what questions I'll ask.
	This 90-minute debate will be divided into nine segments of about 10 minutes each.
	I'll begin a segment by posing a question to each of you, sometimes the same question, sometimes a different question on the same topic.
	You will then have two minutes to answer, without interruption, by me or the other candidate.
	Then we'll take six minutes or so to discuss the issue.
	At that point, although there will always be more to say, we'll move on to the next topic.
	We want a debate that is lively, but Americans also deserve a discussion that is civil.
	These are tumultuous times, but we can and will have a respectful exchange about the big issues facing our nation.
	We do have an echo, Giuseppe.
	...ongoing pandemic that has cost our country so much.
	Senator Harris, the coronavirus is... Did that fix it?
	I can't hear now.
	You need to turn it back up.
	Oh, you can't hear it?
	There should be no echo.
	Oh, maybe it's going through my mic.
	states have set new records. Even if a vaccine is released, the next administration will face
	Yep.
	hard choices. What would a Biden administration do in January and February that a Trump
	administration wouldn't do? Would you impose new lockdowns for businesses and schools and
	hot spots? A federal mandate to wear masks? You have two minutes to respond without interruption.
	Thank you, Susan. Well, the American people have witnessed what is the greatest failure
	of any presidential administration in the history of our country.
	And here are the facts.
	210,000 dead people in our country in just the last couple of months.
	Over 7 million people who have contracted this disease.
	One in five businesses closed.
	We're looking at frontline workers who have been treated like sacrificial workers.
	We are looking at over 30 million people who in the last several months had to file for unemployment.
	And here's the thing.
	On January 28th, the Vice President and the President were informed about the nature of this pandemic.
	They were informed that it's lethal in consequence, that it is airborne, That it will affect young people and that it would be contracted because it is airborne.
	And they knew what was happening and they didn't.
	CDC only said it was airborne here in the last couple of weeks.
	On January 28th, as opposed to March 13th, what they knew what you might have done to prepare.
	They knew and they covered it up.
	The president said it was a hoax.
	Yeah, we need a plan.
	seriousness of it. The president said you're on one side of his ledger if you
	wear a mask you're on the other side of his ledger if you don't. And in spite of
	all of that today they still don't have a plan. They still don't. Yeah we need a plan.
	She asked him what they would do different than what Trump and his party is already
	doing and she's not answering that. Well they should have locked us down sooner Jim.
	We should all be wearing a plastic bubble over our heads.
	This is so ridiculous.
	This is like, you're four years old, you can't think, you can't research that.
	99.997% of people, it's no problem, they recover.
	four years old you can't think you can't research that 99.997% of people it's no
	problem they recover. More than 210,000 Americans have died of COVID-19 since
	February. The US death toll as a percentage of our population is higher... Let's have a
	candlelight vigil right now. Our death rate is two and a half times that of Canada next door.
	You head the administration's Coronavirus Task Force.
	Why is the U.S.
	death toll as a percentage of our population higher than that of almost every other wealthy country?
	And you have two minutes to respond without interruption.
	Susan, thank you.
	And I want to thank the Commission and the University of Utah for hosting this event and Senator Harris.
	I'll say it after the answer.
	Our nation has gone through a very challenging time this year.
	But I want the American people to know that from the very first day, President Donald Trump has put the health of America first.
	Before there were more than five cases in the United States, all people who had returned from China, President Donald Trump did what no other American president had ever done.
	And that was he suspended all travel from China, the second largest economy in the world.
	Now, Senator Joe Biden opposed that decision. He said it was xenophobic and hysterical.
	Racist.
	I know you having led the White House Coronavirus Task Force, that decision
	along with President Trump, bought us invaluable time to stand up the greatest national mobilization
	since World War II. And I believe it saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.
	Because with that time, we were able to reinvent testing.
	More than 115 million tests have been done to date. We were able to see to the delivery of
	billions of supplies so our doctors and nurses had the resources support they needed.
	And we began really before the month of February with our to develop a vaccine and develop medicines and therapeutics and then saving lives all along the way.
	Under President Trump's leadership, Operation Warp Speed, we believe we'll have literally tens of millions of doses of a vaccine before the end of this year.
	The reality is when you look at the Biden plan, it reads an awful lot.
	Like what President Trump and I and our task force have been doing every step of the way.
	And quite frankly, when I look at their plan that talks about advancing testing, creating new PPE, developing a vaccine, it looks a little bit like plagiarism.
	Nice.
	That's excellent.
	Nice reference to Joe Biden's past.
	That's right.
	Senator Harris, would you like to respond?
	Absolutely.
	Whatever the Vice President is claiming the administration has done, clearly it hasn't worked.
	When you're looking at over 210,000... Kamala's hair looks good, I'll say that for her.
	That's gotta be a wig, don't you think?
	I know the Vice President is the head of the task force and knew on January 28th how serious this was.
	And then thanks to Bob Woodward, we learned that they knew about it.
	And then when that was exposed, the Vice President said, when asked, well, why didn't y'all tell anybody?
	He said, because the President wanted people to remain calm.
	That's the right way to go.
	That's the right way to go.
	Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.
	I'm speaking.
	Isn't that what a leader is supposed to do?
	We'll give the Vice President a chance to respond.
	So I want to ask the American people, how calm were you when you were panicked about where you were going to get
	your next roll of toilet paper?
	How calm were you when your kids were sent home from school and you didn't know when they could go back?
	How calm were you when your children couldn't see your parents because you were afraid they could kill them?
	Let's give Vice President Pence a chance to respond.
	Vice President Pence, you have one minute to respond.
	You know, there's not a day going by that I haven't thought of every American family that's lost a loved one.
	And I want all of you to know that you'll always be in our hearts.
	And then I pray.
	But when you say what the American people have done over these last eight months hasn't worked, that's a great disservice to the sacrifices the American people have made.
	The reality, if I may finish, the reality is Dr. Fauci said everything that he told the president in the Oval Office, the president told the American people.
	Now, President Trump, I will tell you, has boundless confidence in the American people, and he always spoke with confidence that we'd get through this together.
	But when you say it hasn't worked, When Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx and our medical experts came to us in the second week of March, they said if the President didn't take the unprecedented step of shutting down roughly half of the American economy, that we could lose 2.2 million Americans.
	That's the reality.
	They also said to us if we did everything right, Susan, we could still lose more than 200,000 Americans.
	Now one life lost is too many, Susan.
	But the American people, I believe, deserve credit for the sacrifices that they have made, putting the health of their families.
	Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	And I'm going to speak up on behalf of what the American people have done.
	Vice President Pence, you were in the front row in a row 11 days ago at what seems to have been a super spreader event for senior administration.
	No social distancing.
	Super spreader.
	And now a cluster of coronavirus cases among those who were there.
	Coronavirus is the common cold.
	So ridiculous.
	Well, the American people have demonstrated over the last eight months that when given the facts, they're willing to put the health of their families and their neighbors and people they don't even know first.
	President Trump and I have great confidence in the American people and their ability to take that information And put it into practice.
	In the height of the epidemic, when we were losing a heartbreaking number of 2,500 Americans a day, we surged resources in New Jersey, New York, New Orleans, and Detroit.
	We told the American people what needed to be done, and the American people made the sacrifices.
	When the outbreak in the Sun Belt happened this summer, again Americans stepped forward.
	But the reality is, the work of the President of the United States goes on.
	A vacancy on the Supreme Court of the United States has come upon us, and the President introduced Judge Amy Coney Barrett.
	Yes, thank you.
	Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	If I may say, that Rose Garden event, there's been a great deal of speculation about it.
	My wife Karen and I were there, and honored to be there.
	Many of the people who were at that event, Susan, actually were tested for coronavirus.
	And it was an outdoor event, which all of our scientists regularly and routinely advise.
	The difference here is President Trump and I trust the American people to make choices in the best interest of their health.
	Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
	He's doing a great job.
	He's doing a great job.
	not just mandates with the coronavirus but a government takeover of health care.
	Thank you. Thank you. Green New Deal. All government control. We're about freedom and
	respecting the freedom of the American people. He's doing a great job. He's doing a great job.
	The American people when you tell them. Oh yeah. You respect the American people when you have the
	courage to be a leader speaking of those things that you may not want people to hear but they
	need to hear so they can protect themselves.
	But this administration stood on information that if you had as a parent, if you had as a worker, knowing you didn't have enough money saved up, and now you're standing in a food line because of the ineptitude of a administration that was unwilling to speak the truth.
	What in the world is she talking about?
	The American people have had to sacrifice far too much because of the incompetence of this administration.
	It is asking too much of the people.
	It is asking too much of the people that they would not be equipped with the information they need to help themselves to protect their parents and their children.
	Kamala Harris, Senator Harris I mean, I'm sorry.
	It's fine, I'm Kamala.
	No, no, you're Senator Harris to me.
	For life to get back to normal, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other experts say that most of the people who can be vaccinated need to be vaccinated.
	But half of Americans now say they wouldn't take a vaccine if it was released now.
	If the Trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should Americans take it and would you take it?
	If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it.
	Absolutely.
	But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it.
	This is the unveiling of the technocracy to some degree.
	In recent days, the president's idea of COVID-19 has underscored the importance of the job
	that you hold and that you are here to do.
	This is the unveiling of the technocracy to some degree.
	Yeah, right.
	One of you will make history on January 20th.
	You will be the vice president to the oldest president the United States has ever had.
	Donald Trump will be 74 years old on Inauguration Day.
	Joe Biden will be 78 years old.
	That already has raised concerns among some voters.
	Concerns that have been sharpened by President Trump's hospitalization in recent days.
	Vice President Pence, have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with President Trump about safeguards or procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential disability?
	And if not, do you think you should?
	Well, there's the Constitution!
	Thank you, although I would like to go back.
	Right.
	Well, thank you, but I would like to go back.
	Because the reality is that we're going to have a vaccine, Senator, in record time, in unheard of time, in less than a year.
	We have five companies in phase three clinical trial.
	Yeah, after six billion dollars.
	So, the fact that you continue to... I will never take that vaccine.
	That is a... If the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration... Well, Dr. Fauci says... Senator, I just ask you, stop playing politics with people's lives.
	The reality is that we will have a vaccine, we believe, before the end of this year.
	And it will have the capacity to save countless American lives.
	And your continuous undermining of confidence in a vaccine is just, it's just unacceptable.
	And let me also say, you know, the reality is when you talk about about failure in this administration, we actually do know what failure looks like in a pandemic.
	It was 2009.
	The swine flu arrived in the United States.
	Thankfully, it ended up not being as lethal as the coronavirus.
	But before the end of the year, when Joe Biden was Vice President of the United States, not 7.5 million people contracted the swine flu.
	60 million Americans contracted the swine flu.
	If the swine flu had been as lethal as the coronavirus in 2009, when Joe Biden was vice president, we would have lost 2 million American lives.
	His own chief of staff, Ron Klain, would say last year that it was pure luck that they did, quote, everything possible wrong.
	And we learned from that.
	They left the Strategic National Stockpile empty.
	They left an empty and hollow plan, but we still learn from it.
	And I think the American people, I'm going to say again, can be proud of what we have done.
	And Senator, please stop undermining confidence in a vaccine.
	Have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with Vice President Biden about safeguards or procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential disability?
	And if not, and if you win the election next month, do you think you should?
	You have two minutes uninterrupted.
	So let me tell you, first of all, the day I got the call from Joe Biden, it was actually a Zoom call, asking me to serve with him on this.
	It was probably one of the most memorable days of my life.
	I, you know, I thought about my mother, who came to the United States at the age of 19.
	Talk about the school bus.
	Come on, do it.
	Yep.
	At Kaiser Hospital in Oakland, California.
	And the thought that I'd be sitting here right now, I know, would make her proud.
	She must be looking down on this.
	Especially because she's completely unqualified.
	We were raised with values that are about hard work, about the value and the dignity of public service.
	Sleeping her way to the top.
	She's not answering the question.
	So I asked me to serve with him because, you know, I have a career that included being
	elected the first woman district attorney of San Francisco.
	Because Shlomo Soros was enamored with her little 4'11 weasel.
	I was elected first woman of color and black woman to be elected attorney general of the
	state of California where I ran the second largest department of justice in the United
	States.
	Second only to the United States Department of Justice.
	And there I took on everything from transnational criminal organizations, to the big banks that were taking advantage of homeowners, to for profit colleges that were taking advantage of veterans.
	It's going to take several pops over there to watch.
	The United States Senate is only the second black woman ever elected.
	She put 1,500 people in jail for minor marijuana offenses.
	Good work.
	And laughed and asked if she smoked marijuana herself.
	She's wasting time here.
	This is not good for her.
	I've traveled the world, I've met with our soldiers in war zones, and I think Joe has asked me
	to serve with him.
	He's wasting time here, this is not good for her.
	We share a purpose, which is about lifting up the American people, and after the four years
	that we have seen of Donald Trump unifying our country.
	I agree.
	Our common vows.
	This is the road to nowhere.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	You know, neither President Trump nor Vice President Biden has released a sort of detailed health information
	that had become the modern norm until the 2016 election.
	And in recent days, President Trump's doctors have given misleading answers or refused to answer
	basic questions about his health.
	And my concern is- Mr. Page is doing a good job.
	My concern is- Yes, yes.
	Is this information voters deserve to know?
	Vice President Pence, would you like to go first?
	Well, Susan, thank you.
	And let me say, on behalf of the President and the First Lady, how moved we've all been by the outpouring of prayers and concern for the President.
	And I do believe it's emblematic of the prayers and the concern that have ushered forth for every American impacted by the coronavirus.
	But the care the President received at Walter Reed Hospital The White House doctors was exceptional.
	And the transparency that they practiced all along the way will continue.
	The American people have a right to know about the health and well-being of their president and will continue to do that.
	But I'm just extremely grateful and was more than more than a little moved by the broad and bipartisan support.
	And Senator, I want to thank you and Bill Biden for your expressions of genuine concern.
	And I also want to congratulate you Uh, as I did on that phone call on the historic nature of your nomination.
	I never expected to be on this stage four years ago, so I know the feeling.
	But, um, The reality is, we've got an election before the American people in the midst of this challenging year, and the stakes have never been higher, but the choice has never been clearer.
	I want to give Senator Harris a chance to respond to the same question I asked, which is, do voters have a right to know more detailed health information about presidential candidates, and especially about presidents, especially when they're facing some kind of challenge?
	Absolutely, and that's why Joe Biden has been so incredibly transparent, and certainly by contrast, the president has not.
	Both in terms of health records, but also let's look at taxes.
	We now know because of great investigative journalism.
	The question was about health and now she's talking about taxes.
	When I first heard about it, I literally said, you mean $750,000?
	And it was like, no, $750.
	We now know Donald Trump- Pence is going to nail her.
	He paid over $7 million in taxes.
	For $400 million, and just so everyone is clear, when we say in debt, it means you owe money to somebody.
	She's digging herself into a big hole here.
	President of the United States, the Commander-in-Chief owes money to because the American people have a right to know what is influencing the President's decisions.
	And is he making those decisions on the best interest of the American people, of you?
	It's like she totally disregarded the question.
	Susan, I'm glad you asked about transparency because it has to be across the board.
	Joe has been incredibly transparent.
	It's like she totally disregarded the question.
	She doesn't.
	One thing we all know.
	I don't know what to say about taxes.
	She's just got it wrong.
	... forthright.
	But Donald Trump, on the other hand, has been about covering up everything.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	I want to give you a chance to respond, Vice President.
	Well, look, I respect the fact that Joe Biden spent 47 years in public life.
	I respect your public service as well.
	Thank you.
	The American people have a president who is a businessman.
	He's a job creator.
	who's paid tens of millions of dollars in taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes.
	He's created tens of thousands of American jobs.
	That little smirk on her face isn't working for her.
	Not accurate.
	I agree.
	And the president's also released literally stacks of financial disclosures the American people can review just as the law allows.
	But the distinction here is that Joe Biden 47 years in public service compared to President Donald Trump who brought all of that experience four years ago.
	Thank you.
	and turn this economy around by cutting taxes, rolling back regulation,
	releasing American energy, fighting for free and fair trade, and all of that's on the line.
	If Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are in line.
	You know, that's a good segue into our third topic, which is about the economy.
	This has been another aspect of life for Americans that's been so affected by this coronavirus.
	We have a jobs crisis brewing.
	On Friday, we learned that the unemployment rate...
	We could answer the tax question better.
	and that was before the latest round of layoffs and furloughs in the airline industry at Disney and elsewhere.
	Hundreds of thousands of discouraged workers have stopped looking for work.
	Nearly 11 million jobs that existed at the beginning of the year haven't been replaced.
	Those hardest hit include Latinos, blacks and women.
	Senator Harris, Plexiglas sheet
	has been working with programs to boost the economy and you would pay for that new spending by raising $4 trillion in
	taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations.
	Some economists warn that could curb entrepreneurial ventures that fuel growth and create jobs.
	Would raising taxes, but the recovery at risk, and you have two minutes to answer uninterrupted.
	Thank you.
	On the issue of the economy, I think there couldn't be a more fundamental difference between Donald Trump and Joe
	Biden.
	Joe Biden believes you measure the health and the strength of America's economy based on the health and the strength of the American worker and the American family.
	On the other hand, you have Donald Trump, who measures the strength of the economy based on how rich people are doing.
	That's actually a good thing.
	bill benefiting the top 1% and the big corporations of America, leading to the $2 trillion deficit
	No.
	that they were paying.
	repeal that tax bill. He'll get rid of it. And what he'll do with the money is
	invest it in the American people and through a plan that is about investing
	in infrastructure, something that Donald Trump said he would do. I remember
	hearing about some infrastructure week. I don't think it ever happened. But Joe
	Biden will do that. He'll invest in infrastructure. It's about upgrading
	our roads and bridges, but also investing in clean energy and
	renewable energy. There you go. New Green Deal, baby. Yeah, do around
	innovation. There was a time when our country believed in science,
	research and development so that we were in a innovation leader on the
	globe. Joe Biden will use that money to invest in education.
	So, for example, for folks who want to go to a two-year community college, it will be free.
	If you come from a family that makes less than $125,000, you'll go to a public university for free.
	And across the board, we'll make sure that if you have student loan debt, it's cut by $10,000.
	That's how Joe Biden thinks about the economy.
	It's about investing in free stuff, as opposed to passing a tax bill, which had the benefit of letting American corporations go offshore to do their business.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	Vice President Pence, your administration has been predicting a rapid and robust recovery, but the latest economic reports suggest that's not happening.
	Should Americans be braced for an economic comeback that is going to take not months, but a year or more?
	You have two minutes to answer uninterrupted.
	When President Trump and I took office, America had gone through the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression.
	When Joe Biden was vice president, they tried to tax and regulate and bail our way back to a growing economy.
	President Trump cut taxes across the board.
	Despite what Senator Harris says, the average American family of four had $2,000 in savings and taxes.
	And with the rise in wages that occurred, most predominantly for blue collar, hardworking Americans, The average household income for a family of four increased by $4,000 following President Trump's tax cuts.
	But America, you just heard Senator Harris tell you, on day one, Joe Biden's going to raise your taxes.
	It's really remarkable to think.
	I mean, right after a time where we're going through a pandemic that lost 22 million jobs.
	We've already added back 11.6 million jobs because we had a president who cut taxes, rolled back regulation, unleashed American energy, fought for free and fair trade, and secured $4 trillion from the Congress of the United States to give direct payments to families, save 50 million jobs through the Paycheck Protection Program.
	We literally have spared no expense to help the American people and the American worker through this.
	Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to raise taxes.
	They want to bury our economy under a $2 trillion Green New Deal, which you were one of the original co-sponsors of in the United States Senate.
	They want to abolish fossil fuels and ban fracking, which would cost hundreds of thousands of American jobs all across the heartland.
	There goes that little smirk again.
	in. Yeah. We took office. Half of our international trade deficit was with China alone. And Joe
	Biden wants to repeal all of the tariffs that President Trump put into effect to fight for
	American jobs and American workers. Joe Biden says democracy is on the ballot. Make no mistake
	about it, Susan. The American economy, the American comeback is on the ballot.
	With four more years of growth and opportunity, four more years of President Donald Trump, 2021 is going to be the biggest economic year in the history of this country.
	Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	He was very good on that.
	Well, I mean, enough of it in last week's debate, but I think this is supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth.
	And the truth and the fact is, Joe Biden has been very clear.
	He will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than $400,000 a year.
	He said he's going to repeal the Trump tax cuts.
	Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.
	I'm speaking.
	But you weren't speaking the truth!
	Joe Biden said twice in the debate last week that he's going to repeal the Trump tax cuts.
	That was tax cuts that gave the average working family $2,000 in a tax break every single year.
	Senator, that's the math.
	That is absolutely not true.
	Is he only going to repeal part of the Trump tax cut?
	If you don't mind letting me finish, we can then have a conversation.
	Okay?
	Please.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	He has been very clear about that.
	Joe Biden will not end fracking.
	He has been very clear about that.
	Joe Biden is the one who, during the Great Recession, was responsible for the Recovery Act that brought America back.
	And now the Trump-Pence administration wants to take credit when they rode the coattails of Joe Biden's success for the economy that they had at the beginning of their term.
	Of course, now the economy is a complete disaster.
	But Joe Biden, on the one hand, did that.
	On the other hand, you have Donald Trump.
	Who has reigned over a recession that is being compared to the Great Depression.
	On the one hand, you have Joe Biden, who was responsible with President Barack Obama for the Affordable Care Act, which brought health care to over 20 million Americans and protected people with pre-existing conditions.
	And what it also did is it saved those families who otherwise were going bankrupt.
	Because of hospital bills they could not afford.
	On the other hand, you have Donald Trump, who's in court right now, trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, which means that you will lose protections if you have pre-existing conditions, and I just, this is very important, Susan.
	Yes, we need to give, we need to give Vice President.
	I'd just like, he interrupted me, and I'd like to just finish.
	Please.
	If you have a pre-existing condition, heart disease, diabetes, breast cancer, they're coming for you.
	If you love someone who has a pre-existing condition, they're coming for you.
	If you are under the age of 26 on your parents' coverage, they're coming for you.
	Senator Harris, thank you.
	Let me give you a chance to respond.
	Well, I hope we have a chance to talk about health care because Obamacare was a disaster.
	The American people.
	Yeah, there we go.
	President Trump and I have a plan to improve health care and to protect pre-existing conditions for every American.
	But look, Senator Harris, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
	Good.
	You were running for president.
	Boom.
	Bill Biden looked his supporter in the eye and pointed and said, I guarantee, I guarantee we will abolish fossil fuels.
	I've seen him do it.
	Yeah.
	Green New Deal, Susan, that your newspaper USA Today said really wasn't that very different from the original Green New Deal.
	More taxes, more regulation, banning fracking, abolishing fossil fuel, crushing American energy, and economic surrender to China is a prescription for economic decline.
	President Trump and I will keep America growing.
	The V-shaped recovery that's underway right now will continue with four more years of President Donald Trump.
	Thank you very much.
	Yeah, Pence is doing a great job, I gotta say.
	He really is doing a good job, better than I would have expected.
	I'll pose the first question to you.
	Me too, yeah.
	This year we've seen record setting hurricanes in the South.
	Another one, Hurricane Delta, is now threatening the Gulf.
	And we have seen record setting wildfires in the West.
	Do you believe, as the scientific community has concluded, that man-made climate change has made wildfires hotter
	and more deadly, and have made hurricanes wetter, slower, and more damaging?
	You have two minutes.
	Is water wetter?
	First, I'm proud of our record on the environment and on conservation.
	According to all of the best estimates, our air and land are cleaner than any time ever recorded.
	Our water is among the cleanest in the world.
	How does climate change make hurricanes slower, exactly?
	In 100 years.
	So, President Trump has made a commitment to conservation and to the environment.
	Now, with regard to climate change, the climate is changing.
	The issue is What's the cause and what do we do about it?
	President Trump has made it clear that we're going to continue to listen to the science.
	Now, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would put us back in the Paris Climate Accord.
	They'd impose the Green New Deal.
	Which would crush American energy, would increase the energy costs of American families.
	Good.
	See, now you've got to accept her.
	American jobs.
	President Trump and I believe that the progress that we have made in a cleaner environment has been happening precisely because we have a strong free market economy.
	You know, what's remarkable is the United States has reduced CO2 more than the countries that are still in the Paris Climate Accord.
	But we've done it through innovation.
	And we've done it through natural gas and fracking, which, Senator, the American people can go look at the record.
	I know Joe Biden says otherwise now, as you do.
	But the both of you repeatedly committed to abolishing fossil fuel and banning fracking.
	Yes.
	By creating the kind of American innovation, we're actually steering toward a stronger and better environment.
	With regard to wildfires, President Trump and I believe that forest management has to be front and center.
	Governor Gavin Newsom from your state has agreed we've got to work on forest management.
	With regard to hurricanes, the National Oceanic Administration tells us that actually, as difficult as they are, there are no more hurricanes today than there were a hundred years ago.
	But many of the climate alarmists use hurricanes and wildfires to try and sell their bill of goods with a Green New Deal.
	And President Trump and I are going to always put American jobs and American workers first.
	I like the way he finishes.
	I like that.
	You co-sponsored the Green New Deal with Congress.
	But Vice President Biden said in last week's debate that he does not support the Green New Deal.
	But if you look at the Biden-Harris campaign website, it describes the Green New Deal as a crucial framework.
	What exactly would be the stance of a Biden-Harris administration toward the Green New Deal?
	You have two minutes uninterrupted.
	Sure.
	So first of all, I will repeat, and the American people know, that Joe Biden will not ban fracking.
	That is a fact.
	That is a fact.
	He's been on both sides.
	I will repeat that Joe Biden has been very clear that he thinks about growing jobs, which is why he will not increase taxes for anyone who makes less than $400,000 a year.
	Joe Biden's economic plan, Moody's, which is a reputable Wall Street firm, has said will create 7 million more jobs than Donald Trump's.
	And part of those jobs that will be created by Joe Biden Are going to be about clean energy and renewable energy.
	Because you see, Joe understands that the west coast of our country is burning, including my home state of California.
	What is happening in the Gulf states, which are being battered by storms.
	Joe has seen and talked with the farmers in Iowa whose entire crops have been destroyed because of floods.
	And so Joe believes again in science. I'll tell you something, Susan, I served when I first got
	to the Senate on the committee that's responsible for the environment. Do you know this administration
	took the word science off the website and then took the phrase climate change off the website.
	This we have seen a pattern with this administration, which is they don't know.
	And Joe's plan is about saying we're going to deal with it, but we're also going to create jobs.
	Donald Trump, when asked about the wildfires in California, and the question was, you know, the science is telling us this, you know what Donald Trump said?
	Science doesn't know.
	So let's talk about... He also said the forests were being mismanaged.
	Which they were.
	Right, yeah.
	years.
	Right, yeah.
	In California.
	Us as human beings.
	Yeah.
	Joe is about saying we're going to invest that in renewable energy, it's going to be
	about the creation of millions of jobs, we will achieve net zero emissions by 2050, carbon
	neutral by 2035.
	Joe has a plan.
	This has been a lot of talk.
	Carbon neutral by 2035 means no fossil fuel, no oil.
	The climate agreement with pride.
	Exactly.
	How are you going to power major cities with windmills and solar panels?
	As I said, Susan, the climate is changing.
	We'll follow the science.
	But once again, Senator Harris is denying the fact that they're going to raise taxes on every American.
	Joe Biden said twice in the debate last week that on day one he was going to repeal the Trump tax cuts.
	Those tax cuts delivered $2,000 in tax relief to the average family of four across America.
	And with regard to banning fracking, I just recommend that people look at the record.
	You yourself said repeatedly that you would ban fracking.
	You were the first Senate co-sponsor of the Green New Deal.
	And while Joe Biden denied the Green New Deal, Susan, thank you for pointing out the Green New Deal is on their campaign website.
	And as USA Today said, it's essentially the same plan as you co-sponsored with AOC when she submitted it in the Senate.
	Good.
	We just heard the Senator say that she's going to resubmit America to the Paris Climate Accord.
	Look, the American people have always cherished our environment and will continue to cherish it.
	We've made great progress reducing CO2 emissions through American innovation and the development of natural gas through fracking.
	We don't need a massive $2 trillion green new deal that would impose all new mandates on American businesses.
	I like the way he finishes anyway.
	Joe Biden wants us to retrofit 4 million American business buildings.
	It makes no sense. It will cost jobs. President Trump is going to put America first,
	he's going to put jobs first, and we're going to take care of our environment and follow the science.
	I like the way he finishes anyway. I like that.
	The vice president earlier referred to as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment,
	the president's trade war with China.
	You lost that trade war.
	You lost it.
	What ended up happening?
	Because of a so-called trade war with China, America lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs.
	Farmers have experienced...
	Where did she get that from?
	That's an outrageous lie.
	She does not know what she's talking about.
	When we look at where this administration has been, there are estimates that by the end of the term of this administration, they will have lost more jobs than almost any other presidential administration.
	and the American people know what I'm talking about.
	You know.
	I think about 20 year olds.
	You know, we have a 20 year old, a 20 something year old, who are coming out of high school and college right now,
	and you're wondering...
	Coming out of high school, that's about right.
	We're looking at...
	A little retarded.
	How are they going to pay rent by the end of the month?
	Almost half of American renters are worried about whether they're going to be able to pay rent by the end of the month.
	This is where the economy is in America right now, and it is because of the catastrophe and the failure of leadership of this administration.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	All coronavirus contributions.
	Well, I'd love to respond.
	Look, lost the Trade war with China.
	Joe Biden never fought it.
	Joe Biden's been a cheerleader for China over the last several decades.
	Yes.
	And again, Senator Harris, you're entitled to your opinion.
	You're not entitled to your own facts.
	When Joe Biden was vice president, we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs.
	And President Obama said they were never coming back.
	He said we needed a magic wand to bring them back.
	That's right.
	after we cut taxes, roll back regulation, unleashed American energy. This administration
	saw 500,000 manufacturing jobs created. And that's exactly the kind of growth we're going
	to continue to see as we bring our nation through this pandemic. The Green New Deal,
	your massive new mandate, your Paris Climate Accord, it's going to kill jobs this time,
	just like it killed jobs. I just need to respond.
	Joe Biden is responsible for saving America's auto industry, and you voted against it.
	What?
	What an insane statement!
	We have no more complicated or consequential foreign relationship than the one with China.
	It is a huge market for American agricultural goods.
	It's a potential partner in dealing with climate change in North Korea.
	And in a video tonight, President Trump again blamed it for the coronavirus, saying China will pay.
	How would you describe our fundamental relationship with China?
	Competitors?
	Adversaries?
	Enemies?
	You have two minutes.
	Thank you, Susan.
	Before I leave that, let me speak to voting records if I can.
	Yeah, beat down, there you go.
	NAFTA cost literally thousands of American factories to close.
	We saw automotive jobs go south of the border.
	President Trump fought to renegotiate NAFTA.
	And the United States-Mexico-Canada agreement is now the law of the land.
	American people deserve to know Senator Kamala Harris was one of only 10 members of the Senate to vote against the USMCA.
	It was a huge win for American autoworkers.
	It was a huge win for American farmers, especially dairy in the upper Midwest.
	But Senator, you said it didn't go far enough on climate change.
	Well, he's roasting her, man!
	your radical environmental agenda ahead of American auto workers and ahead of American
	jobs. The American people deserve to know that. It's probably why Newsweek magazine said that
	Kamala Harris was the most liberal member of the United States Senate in 2019. More liberal than
	Bernie Sanders. More liberal than any of the others in the United States Senate. So
	now with regard to China. Well he's roasting her man. This is great.
	China is to blame for the coronavirus.
	blame for the coronavirus.
	And President Trump is not happy about it.
	He's made that very clear, made it clear again today.
	China and the World Health Organization did not play straight with the American people.
	They did not let our personnel into China get information on the coronavirus until the middle of February.
	Fortunately, President Trump, in dealing with China from the outset of this administration, standing up to China that had been taking advantage of America for decades in the wake of Joe Biden's cheerleading for China, President Trump made that decision before the end of January to suspend all travel from China.
	And again, the American people deserve to know Joe Biden opposed President Trump's decision to suspend all travel from China.
	He said it was hysterical.
	He said it was xenophobic.
	But President Trump has stood up to China.
	We're going to continue to stand strong.
	We want to improve the relationship, but we're going to level the playing field.
	We're going to hold China accountable for what they did to America with the coronavirus.
	Thank you.
	Excellent.
	Senator Harris, let me ask you the same question that I asked the Vice President.
	How would you describe our fundamental relationship with China?
	Are we competitors, adversaries, enemies?
	You'll have two minutes uninterrupted.
	Susan, the Trump administration's perspective and approach to China has resulted in the loss of American lives.
	Agreed.
	American jobs.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	There's a weird obsession that President Trump has had with getting rid of whatever accomplishment was achieved by President Obama and Vice President Biden.
	For example, they created within the White House an office that basically was responsible for monitoring pandemics.
	They got away, they got rid of it.
	There was a team of disease experts that President Obama and Vice President Biden dispatched to China to monitor what is now predictable and what might happen.
	They pulled them out.
	We now are looking at 210,000 Americans who have lost their lives.
	Let's look at the job situation.
	We mentioned before, the trade deal, the trade war, they wanted to call it, with China.
	It resulted in the loss of over 300 manufacturing jobs, and a manufacturing recession, and the American consumer paying thousands of dollars- Would you want to hear this woman on your television every day for the next four years?
	That should be the campaign slogan right there.
	I've done an analysis that shows that leaders of all of our formerly allied countries have now decided that they hold in greater esteem and respect Xi Jinping, the head of the Chinese Communist Party, than they do Donald Trump, the President of the United States, the Commander-in-Chief of the United States.
	This is where we are today because of a failure of leadership by this administration.
	She sounds like a jazz singer that's had too much to drink.
	in terms of global leadership over the past four years.
	And of course, times do change.
	What's your definition?
	We've seen strains with China, of course, as the vice president mentioned.
	We've seen strains with our traditional allies in NATO and elsewhere.
	What is your definition of the role of American leadership in conflict?
	Good one, Giuseppe.
	Well, Joe is, I love talking with Joe about a lot of these issues.
	And you know, Joe, I think you said it quite well.
	It might sound complicated, but really it's relationships.
	Just think about it as relationships.
	And so we know this in our personal and professional relationships.
	You got to keep your word to your friends.
	Got to be loyal to your friends, people who have stood with you, got to stand with them.
	You got to know who your adversaries are, and keep them in check.
	But what we have seen with Donald Trump is that he has betrayed our friends and embraced dictators around the world.
	Let's take, for example, Russia.
	She's opening herself up for us.
	This is going to dismember her on this.
	declassified documents.
	...in the election of the President of the United States in 2016 and is playing in 2020.
	Christopher Wray, the director of the FBI, said that...
	This is going to dismember her on this.
	Yeah.
	...the United States of America...
	His eyes kind of lit up when she started talking about this.
	...over the word of the American people.
	You look at our friends at NATO.
	He has walked away from agreements.
	You can look at the Iran nuclear deal, which now has put us in a position where we are
	less safe because they are building up what might end up being a significant nuclear arsenal.
	We were in that deal, guys.
	We were in the Iran nuclear deal with friends, with allies around the country.
	And because of Donald Trump's unilateral approach to foreign policy, coupled with his isolationism...
	Uh-oh.
	Isolationism, ooh.
	He hasn't got us into any new wars, that's their definition of isolationism.
	And the thing that has always been part of the strength of our nation, in addition to our great military...
	He hasn't got us in any new wars. That's their definition of isolationism.
	Exactly. Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	Vice President Pence, let me give you a chance to respond.
	Well, thank you.
	Well, President Trump kept his word when we moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of the state of Virginia.
	Vice President, they promised to do that and they never did.
	We stood strong with our allies, but we've been demanding.
	NATO is now contributing more to our common defense than ever before.
	Thank you, President Trump's leadership.
	We've strengthened our alliance with the Asia-Pacific And we've stood strong against those who would do us harm.
	You know, when President Trump came into office, ISIS had captured an area of the Middle East the size of Pennsylvania.
	But President Trump Unleash the American military and our armed forces destroy the ISIS caliphate.
	Wasn't that President Putin?
	Without one American casualty.
	Al-Baghdadi was responsible for the death of thousands.
	Notably, America's hearts today are with the family of Kayla Mueller, the parents of which are here with us tonight in Salt Lake City.
	Today, two of the ISIS killers, Responsible for Kayla Miller's murder were brought to justice in the United States.
	Behati John was killed on the battlefield along with the other Beatle.
	The reality is that when Joe Biden was vice president, we had an opportunity to make Kayla Miller.
	It breaks my heart to reflect on it, but the military came into the Oval Office, presented a plan.
	They said they knew where Kayla was.
	Baghdadi had held her for 18 months, abused her mercilessly before they killed her.
	But when Joe Biden was vice president, they hesitated for a month.
	When armed forces finally went in, it was clear she'd been moved two days earlier.
	And her family says with a heart that broke the heart of every American that if President Donald Trump had been president, they believed Kayla would be alive today.
	Thank you, Vice President.
	Look, we destroyed the ISIS caliphate.
	And you talk about reentering the Iran nuclear deal.
	When the last administration transferred $1.8 billion to the leading state sponsor of terrorism,
	President Donald Trump got us out of the deal.
	And when Qasem Soleimani was traveling to Baghdad to do harm to Americans,
	President Donald Trump took him out.
	And America is safer.
	Our allies are safer.
	Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	I would like to give Senator Harris a chance to respond, but not at such great length because, of course, there are other topics we want to talk about.
	Yes.
	Please go ahead.
	First of all, to the Mueller family, I know about your daughter's case, and I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	What happened to her is awful.
	You know, listening to her talk, it's like at a hotel bar, the woman who would come up to you and say, I normally don't come to hotel bars, but you say you got a little weed back in your room?
	I've never done this before, but... She can't even fake sincerity.
	That's what George Byrne said.
	If you can fake sincerity, you got it made.
	You know what Donald Trump dismissed them as?
	Headaches.
	And this is about a pattern of Donald Trump's, where he has referred to our men who are serving in our military as suckers and losers.
	Donald Trump, who went to Arlington Cemetery, and stood above the graves of our fallen heroes, and said, what's in it for them?
	This has been debunked!
	Because of course, you know, he only... Yeah, this is the Atlantic Magazine article.
	Arguments based on false premises, yes.
	A great American hero.
	Yeah.
	And Donald Trump says he doesn't deserve to be called a hero because he was a prisoner of war.
	Gentlemen, King does not deserve to be called a hero.
	No question.
	Scumbag.
	and what they don't care about.
	Public reporting that Russia had bounties on the heads of Russian soldiers.
	And you know what a bounty is?
	The Taliban didn't need bounties to do their thing.
	And they were paid for it.
	Exactly.
	They were fabricated stories.
	They talked at least six times to Vladimir Putin and never heard back from him.
	Joe Biden.
	Joe Biden.
	I expect Pence to be very strong here.
	You know the Democrats, they just care so much.
	would hold Russia to a threat.
	I expect Pence to be very strong here.
	Our troops who are sacrificing their lives for the sake of our democracy and our safety.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	This is such an important issue.
	We have other important issues as well.
	I want to make sure we have a chance to talk about it.
	I really have to respond to that.
	Look, she has 15 seconds because we're trying to keep...
	Well, I got to have more than that.
	I'm sorry, Vice President Pence.
	You've had more time than she's had so far.
	The slanders against President Donald Trump regarding men and women of our armed forces are absurd.
	I'm sorry, Vice President Pence.
	My son is a captain in the United States Marine Corps.
	My son-in-law is deployed in the United States Navy.
	There you go.
	With sons and daughters serving in our military.
	President Donald Trump not only respects but reveres all of those who serve in our armed forces and any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous.
	Let me also say, the American people deserve to know that Joe Biden did not create the rules for tonight.
	Your campaign agreed to the rules.
	Susan, the American people deserve to know, Joe Biden is a cop.
	The commissioner, I'm here to enforce him.
	Which involves moving from one topic to another, giving roughly equal time to both of you, which is what I'm trying very hard to do.
	So I want to go ahead and move to the next topic, which is an important one, as the last topic was, and that is the Supreme Court.
	On Monday, the Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to open hearings on Amy Coney Barrett's nomination to the Supreme Court.
	Senator Harris, you'll be there as a member of the committee.
	Her confirmation would cement the court's conservative majority and make it likely open to more abortion restrictions, even to overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade ruling.
	Access to abortion would then be up to the states.
	Vice President Pence, you're the former governor of Indiana.
	If Roe v. Wade is overturned, what would you want Indiana to do?
	Would you want your home state to ban all abortions?
	That's uninterrupted.
	Well, thank you for the question.
	What a stupid question.
	The American people deserve to know, Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian general, was responsible for the death of hundreds of American service members.
	When the opportunity came, we saw him headed to Baghdad to feel more American.
	President Trump didn't hesitate.
	And Qasem Soleimani is gone.
	But you deserve to know that Joe Biden And Kamala Harris actually criticized the decision to take out Salim Qasem Soleimani.
	It's really inexplicable.
	But with regard to Joe Biden, it's explainable because history records that Joe Biden actually opposed the raid against Osama bin Laden.
	It's absolutely essential that we have a commander in chief who will not hesitate to act to protect American lives and to protect American service members.
	And that's what you have in President Donald Trump.
	Now, with regard to the Supreme Court of the United States, let me say President Trump and I could not be more enthusiastic about the opportunity to see Judith Coney Barrett become Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
	She's a brilliant woman, and she will bring a lifetime of experience and a sizable American family to the Supreme Court of the United States.
	And our hope is... Yeah, she didn't stick her way to the top either.
	Nice.
	We hope she gets a fair hearing.
	And we particularly hope that we don't see the kind of attacks on her Christian faith that we saw before.
	The Democrat chairman of the Judiciary Committee before, when Judge Verrett was being confirmed for the Court of Appeals, expressed concern of her faith lived loudly in her.
	Dick Durbin of Illinois said that it was a concern.
	Senator, I know one of our judicial nominees, you actually attacked because they were a member of the Catholic Knights of Columbus, just because the Knights of Columbus holds pro-life views.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	Your time is up.
	My hope is that when the hearing takes place, that Judge Amy Coney Barrett will be respected, treated respectfully, voted and confirmed to the Supreme Court of the United States.
	Senator Harris, you're the senator from and from.
	Like every time he finishes, I hear her attempts to silence him.
	Yeah, that's good.
	If Roe v. Wade returned, what would you want California to do?
	Would you want your home state to enact no restrictions on access to abortion?
	And you have two minutes, uninterrupted.
	Thank you, Susan.
	First of all, Joe Biden and I are both people of faith.
	And it's insulting to suggest.
	That we would knock anyone for their faith.
	And in fact, Joe, if elected, will be only the second practicing Catholic as President of the United States.
	On the issue of this nomination, Joe and I are... Yeah, he's real religious, yeah.
	People, we are 27 days before the decision about who will be the next president of the United States.
	And, you know, before when this conversation has come up, you know, it's been about election year or election time.
	We're literally in an election.
	Over 4 million people have voted.
	People are in the process of voting right now.
	And so Joe has been very clear, as the American people are.
	Let the American people fill that seat in the White House.
	And then we'll fill that seat on the United States Supreme Court.
	And to your point, Susan, the issues before us couldn't be more serious.
	There's the issue of choice.
	And I will always fight for a woman's right to make a decision about her own body.
	It should be her decision and not that of Donald Trump and the Vice President, Michael Cohen.
	He was sniffing her hair too, it looked like.
	Affordable Care Act. Literally in the midst of a public health crisis. He was sniffing her hair too it looked like.
	When over 210,000 people have died and pregnant women and people probably have what will be in the future considered
	a pre-existing condition because you you contracted the virus. Donald
	Trump is in court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.
	And I said- And we know.
	This means that there will be no more protections, if they win, for people with pre-existing conditions.
	This means that over 20 million people will lose your coverage.
	It means that if you're under the age of 26, you can't stay on your parents' coverage anymore.
	Oh no!
	The contrast couldn't be more clear.
	They're trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.
	Joe Biden is saying, let's expand coverage.
	Let's give you a choice of a public health.
	She has a whiny, nasally voice, doesn't she?
	God.
	Awful.
	Terrible.
	That's true leadership.
	You know, you mentioned earlier, Vice President Pence, that the president was committed to maintaining protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
	But you do have this court case that you are supporting, your administration is supporting, that would strike down the Affordable Care Act.
	The President says, President Trump says that he's going to protect people with pre-existing conditions, but he has not explained how he would do that.
	And that was one of the toughest nuts to crack when they were passing the Affordable Care Act.
	So tell us specifically, how would your administration protect Americans with pre-existing conditions to have access to affordable insurance if the Affordable Care Act is struck down?
	Well, thank you, Susan.
	But let me just say, addressing your very first question, I couldn't be more proud to serve as vice president to a president who stands without apology for the sanctity of human life.
	I'm pro-life.
	I don't apologize for it.
	And this is another one of those cases where there's such a dramatic contrast.
	Joe Biden and Kamala Harris support taxpayer funding of abortion all the way up to the moment of birth.
	Late-term abortion.
	They want to increase funding to Planned Parenthood of America.
	Now, for our part, I would never presume how Judge Amy Coney Barrett would rule on the Supreme Court of the United States, but we'll continue to stand strong for the right to life.
	When you speak about the Supreme Court, though, I think the American people really deserve an answer, Senator Harris.
	There you go.
	There's that little smirk again.
	Dave as a little smirk again
	Biden has refused to answer the question. People would really like to know if Judge Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed
	to the Supreme Court of the United States. Are you and Joe Biden if somehow you win this election going to pack the
	Supreme Court to get your way?
	I'm so glad we went through a little history lesson.
	Let's do that a little more.
	In 1864... Well, I'd like you to answer the question.
	Mr. Vice President... Yeah, what history lesson?
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah.
	In 1864, One of the, I think, political heroes, certainly of the President, I assume of you also, Mr. Vice President, is Abraham Lincoln.
	Abraham Lincoln was up for re-election.
	And it was 27 days before the election.
	And a seat became open on the United States Supreme Court.
	She's not answering the question.
	In charge, not only of the White House, but the Senate.
	But honest aide.
	This is going to hurt her.
	It's going to do.
	American people deserve to make the decision about who will be the next president of the United States.
	And then that person can select who will serve for a lifetime on the highest court of our land.
	And so Joe and I are very clear.
	The American people are voting right now.
	And it should be their decision.
	Answer the question, lady.
	Yeah.
	This is very serious.
	Let's talk about packing.
	Come on.
	serious. Thank you. Senator Harris. Susan are voting right now. They'd like to know if you and Joe Biden are going to
	pack the Supreme Court. If you don't get your way in this nomination. Let's talk about once again. Gave a non answer.
	Joe Biden gave a non answer. You know, straight answer. And if you haven't
	what's up with resting her head on her hands, what's that about?
	Do it!
	I'm about to. Do it!
	So, the Trump campaign has been directed on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Susan, as you mentioned, and I have witnessed the appointments, for lifetime appointments, to the federal courts, district courts, courts of appeal.
	People who have been reviewed by by legal professional organizations and found to have been not competent are substandard.
	And do you know that of the 50 people who President Trump appointed to the Court of Appeals for lifetime appointments, not one is black?
	This is what they've been doing.
	You want to have that discussion?
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Senator.
	Let's go on and talk about the issue of judicial justice.
	I just want the record to reflect she never answered the question.
	That's right.
	Thank you.
	That's right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Should have had a hunter standing next to him.
	In March, Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old emergency room technician in Louisville, was shot and killed after police officers executing a search warrant in a narcotics investigation broke into her apartment.
	The police said they identified themselves.
	They did.
	And her boyfriend said he didn't hear them do that.
	He used a gun registered to him to fire a shot, which wounded an officer.
	The officer's in- He used a gun registered to him!
	None of them have been indicted.
	How ridiculous.
	That's funny.
	Senator Harris, in the case of Breonna Taylor, was justice done?
	You have two minutes.
	I don't believe so, and I've talked with Breonna's mother, Tamika Palmer, and her family, and her family deserves justice.
	She was a beautiful young woman.
	She had as her life goal to become a nurse.
	Because her criminal activities with her boyfriend when he was in jail, they have it all recorded.
	Right.
	She hadn't worked in three years.
	Exactly.
	Using her address to conceal it.
	She lost her job because she was stealing the drugs and selling them as an EMT.
	She found a dead body in the trunk of her car.
	During which, an American man was tortured and killed under the knee of an armed, uniformed police officer.
	Oh, this is the George Floyd fakery.
	And people around our country Time for some crocodile tears.
	of every gender.
	It was an African American white training torso manufactured by Sigma 7.
	It wasn't George Floyd, it was a training torso.
	For us to finally achieve that ideal of equal justice under law.
	And I was- Time for some crocodile tears.
	Oh, here we go.
	Let's go on to Antifa.
	I want to hear Antifa and BLM from Pence.
	We're never going to condone violence, but we always- They've been condoning violence now almost a whole year.
	Exactly.
	They discovered the polls, that they were falling in the polls because of it.
	Right.
	Look, and I'm a former... Right, nice point here.
	Please don't break into a residence when they have a valid warrant.
	They're executing through legal authority.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Which is why Joe and I... And hey, he took a shot at a cop.
	The gunman's registered to him, man, so it's okay.
	Unbelievable.
	It is unbelievable.
	Take her out on Antifa and Black Lives Matter, rioting, looting, and murder.
	BLM.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	are rioting, looting, and murder.
	BLM.
	And we will criminalize marijuana.
	And we will expunge the records of those who have been convicted of marijuana.
	This is a time for leadership.
	You put them away.
	These are tragic, tragic issues.
	Wow.
	Black people in America.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	Pence has got a softball here.
	I'm going to pose the same question to you.
	In the case of Breonna Taylor, was justice done?
	You have two minutes uninterrupted.
	Well, our heart breaks for the loss of innocent, any innocent American life.
	She wasn't innocent.
	Breonna Taylor.
	Yeah, she wasn't innocent.
	But I trust our justice system, a grand jury that refused the evidence.
	And it really is remarkable that as a former prosecutor, you would assume that an impaneled grand jury looking at all the evidence got it wrong.
	But you're entitled to your opinion, Senator.
	That's good, Pabst.
	That's good.
	And with regard to- With a black attorney general, too.
	Happened to George Floyd.
	Justice will be served.
	But there's also no excuse for the rioting and looting.
	Yes!
	I mean, it really is astonishing.
	Flora Westbrook is with us here tonight in Salt Lake City.
	Just a few weeks ago, I stood at what used to be her salon.
	It was burned to the ground by rioters and looters.
	You call it looting, we call it shopping.
	And I must tell you, This presumption that you hear consistently from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris that America is systemically racist, that as Joe Biden said, that he believes that law enforcement has an implicit bias against minorities, is a great insult.
	To the men and women who serve in law enforcement, and I want everyone to know who puts on the uniform of law enforcement every day.
	President Trump and I stand with you.
	It's remarkable that when Senator Tim Scott tried to pass a police reform bill, brought together a group of Republicans and Democrats, Senator Harris, you got up and walked out of the room.
	And then you filibustered Senator Tim Scott's bill on the Senate floor that would have provided new accountability, new resources.
	But we don't have to choose between supporting law enforcement, proving public safety, and supporting our African-American neighbors and all of our minorities.
	Under President Trump's leadership, we'll always stand with law enforcement and we'll do what we've done from day one, which is improve the lives of African-Americans, record unemployment, direct investments in education, and provide Cool choice for all of our members.
	Thank you very much.
	Excellent.
	Excellent pitch.
	And be lectured by the Vice President on what it means to enforce the laws of our country.
	I am the only one on this stage You've done a terrible, terrible job.
	Inequitable, totally.
	was prosecuted for profit colleges for taking advantage of our veterans.
	And the reality of this is that we are talking about an election in 27 days where last week
	the President of the United States took a debate stage in front of 70 million Americans
	and refused to condemn white supremacists.
	You know, you've heard it 99 times before.
	What a piece of excrement this politically is.
	The Proud Boys has black members by the way, so whatever.
	Grasping after straws, right?
	The head of the Proud Boys is a panicked black kid?
	Exactly.
	Never mind the facts.
	...a Muslim band.
	He's on the issue of Charlottesville.
	Pence owned this entire debate, man.
	He owned it.
	for racial justice.
	Pence owned this entire debate, man.
	He owned it.
	Neo-Nazis carrying tiki torches, shouting racial epithets,
	anti-Semitic slurs, and Donald Trump, when asked about it, said,
	they were fine people.
	What a lying, hold on, I have the right, there you go.
	She's losing it.
	She's losing it.
	There it is.
	It brings our country together.
	Senator Harris, recognizes the beauty of the facts.
	That's her gift.
	You're cooking, Joe.
	More common than what's.
	You're cooking, Giuseppe.
	Awesome.
	I'll give you a minute to respond.
	Thank you, Susan.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate that very much.
	You know, I think this is one of the things that makes people dislike the media so much
	in this country, Susan.
	Is that you selectively edit, just like Senator Harris did, comments that President Trump and others on our side of the aisle make.
	Good, he's talking to me.
	Senator Harris conveniently omitted.
	After the President made comments about people on either side of the debate over monuments, he condemned the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists and has done so repeatedly.
	You're concerned that he doesn't condemn neo-Nazis.
	President Trump has Jewish grandchildren.
	His daughter and son-in-law are Jewish.
	Like neo-Nazis are a real problem in the country.
	Give me a break.
	But you talk about having personally prosecuted.
	I'm glad you brought up your record, Senator.
	Thank you.
	I really need to make this point.
	When you were DA in San Francisco, when you left office, African Americans were 19 times more likely to be prosecuted for minor drug offenses.
	California increased the disproportionate incarceration of blacks in California.
	You did nothing on criminal justice reform in California.
	You didn't lift a finger to pass the first step back on Capitol Hill.
	I mean, the reality is your record speaks for itself.
	President Trump and I have fought Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	Thank you, sir.
	Excellent.
	He attacked my record.
	I would like an opportunity to respond.
	African Americans, all of our thank you, sir. And we'll do it
	for for thank you. You know, there is no than the final issue that we're going to talk about tonight.
	And that is the issue of the election. But it's so he
	attacked my record, I would like an opportunity to respond.
	Let me give you 30 seconds because we because we're running out
	of time. I appreciate that.
	First of all, having served as the Attorney General of the state of California, the work that I did is a model of what
	our nation needs to do. And we will be able to Joe Biden.
	Oh my god.
	She wants to do for America what she did for California.
	Oh god.
	Oh God.
	...instituting a ban on chokeholds and carotid arteries.
	He totally destroyed her.
	Senator, I would like to go through.
	I would like to go through...
	These are points that you made earlier in the hour and I want to talk about.
	These are points that you made earlier in the hour and I want to talk about...
	Very good Susan, good for her.
	I want to talk about the connection between what Joe and I will do and my record, which
	Good for her.
	I want to talk about the connection between what Joe and I will do and my record,
	which includes I was the first statewide officer to institute a requirement that my agents
	includes I was the first...
	would wear body cameras and keep them on full time.
	We were the first to initiate a requirement that there would be a training for law enforcement
	on implicit bias because yes, Joe Biden and I recognize that implicit bias does exist, Mr. Vice President,
	contrary to what you may believe.
	We did the work of instituting reforms that were about investing in reentry.
	This is the work that we have done and the work we will do going forward.
	And again, I will not be lectured by the Vice President on our record of what we have done in terms of law enforcement and keeping our communities safe and a commitment to reforming the criminal justice system.
	What a terrible record.
	I'd like to pose the first, I'd like you to respond first to the question on our final topic, the election itself.
	President Trump has several times refused to commit himself to a peaceful transfer of power after the election.
	If your ticket wins and President Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power, what steps would you and Vice President Biden then take?
	What would happen next?
	You have two minutes.
	So I'll tell you, Joe and I are particularly proud of the coalition that we've built around our campaign.
	We probably have one of the broadest coalitions of folks that you've ever seen in a presidential race.
	Of course, we have the support of Democrats, but also Independents and Republicans.
	In fact, seven members of President George W. Bush's cabinet are supporting our ticket.
	We have the support of Colin Powell, Cindy McCain, John Kasich, over 500 generals, retired generals and former national security experts and advisors are supporting our campaign.
	And I believe they are doing that because they know.
	That Joe Biden has a deep, deep-seated commitment to fight for our democracy, and to fight for the integrity of our democracy, and to bring integrity to everyone else.
	What does that mean?
	Yeah, what does that mean?
	We believe in the American people.
	We believe in democracy.
	And here's what I'd like to say to everybody.
	Patsy's gonna get the final word.
	Vote.
	Vote early.
	Come up with a plan to vote.
	Go to IWillVote.com.
	You can also go to... Vote early, vote often.
	We have the power in these next 24 days to make the decision over the course of our country for the next four years.
	And it is within our power and we use our vote and we use our voice.
	We will win.
	And we will not let anyone subvert our democracy with what Donald Trump has been doing, as he did on the debate stage last week, when again, in front of 70 million people, He openly attempted to suppress the vote.
	Joe Biden, on the other hand, on that same debate stage, because clearly Donald Trump doesn't think he can run on a record because it's a failed record, Joe Biden on that stage said, hey... If you're setting up for a bid, knock it out of the park.
	Please vote.
	Thank you, Senator.
	Vice President Pence, President Trump... That was lame.
	...admits himself to a peaceful transfer of power after the election.
	If Vice President Biden is declared the winner and President Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power, What would be your role and responsibility as vice president?
	What would you personally do?
	You have two minutes.
	What kind of a question is that?
	We win this election.
	Because while Joe Biden and Kamala Harris rattle off a long litany of the establishment in Washington, D.C., an establishment that Joe Biden's been a part of for 47 years, President Donald Trump has launched a movement of everyday Americans from every walk of life.
	And I have every confidence that those same Americans that delivered that historic victory in 2016, they see this president's record where we rebuild our military.
	We revived our economy through tax cuts and rolling back regulation, fighting for fair trade, unleashing American energy.
	We appointed conservatives to our federal courts at every level.
	And we stood with the men and women of law every single day.
	And I think I think that movement of Americans has only grown stronger in the last four years.
	When you talk about accepting the outcome of the election, I must tell you, Senator, your party has spent the last three and a half years trying to overturn the results of the election.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Good one.
	The FBI actually spied on President Trump in my campaign.
	I mean, there were documents released this week that the CIA actually made a referral to the FBI, documenting that those allegations were coming from the Hillary Clinton campaign.
	And of course, we've all seen the aftermath of what you put the country through for the better part of three years.
	No obstruction, no collusion, case closed.
	And then, Senator Harris, you and your colleagues in the Congress tried to impeach the President of the United States over a phone call.
	And now Hillary Clinton has actually said to Joe Biden that under, in her words, under no circumstances should he concede the election.
	So let me just say, I think we're going to win this election.
	President Trump and I are fighting every day in courthouses to prevent Joe Biden and Kamala Harris from changing the rules and creating this universal mail-in voting.
	It's a massive opportunity for voter fraud.
	We had a free and fair election.
	We know we're going to have confidence in it.
	And I believe in all my heart that President Donald Trump is going to be reelected for four more years.
	You know, I've wonderful questions that I've asked tonight.
	But for the final question of the debate, I'd like to read a question that someone else wrote.
	The Utah Debate Commission asked students in the state to write essays about what they would like to ask you.
	And I want to close tonight's debate with the question posed by Brecklyn Brown.
	She's an eighth grader at Springville Junior High in Springville, Utah.
	And here's what she wrote, quote, When I watch the news, all I see is arguing between Democrats and Republicans.
	When I watch the news, all I see is citizen fighting against citizen.
	When I watch the news, all I see are two candidates from opposing parties trying to tear each other down.
	If our leaders can't get along, how are the citizens supposed to get along?
	And then she added, Your examples could make all the difference to bring us together."
	So to each of you in turn, I'd like you to take one minute and respond to Brecklin.
	Vice President Pence, you have one minute.
	Brecklin, it's a wonderful question.
	And let me just commend you for taking an interest in public life.
	I started following the news when I was very young.
	And in America, We believe in a free and open exchange of debate.
	And we celebrate that.
	It's how we've created literally the freest and most prosperous nation in the history of the world.
	I would tell you that.
	Don't assume that what you're saying on your local news networks is synonymous with the American people.
	You know, I look at the relationship between Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the late justice who we just lost in the Supreme Court, and the late Justice Antonin Scalia.
	They were on polar opposites on the Supreme Court of the United States, one very liberal, one very conservative.
	But what's been learned since her passing was the two of them and their families were the very closest of friends.
	I mean, here in America, we can disagree.
	We can debate vigorously, as Senator Harris and I have on this stage tonight.
	But when the debate is over, we come together as Americans.
	That's what people do in big cities and small towns all across this country.
	So I just want to encourage you, Brecklin.
	I want to tell you that we're going to work every day to have government as good as our people, the American people each and every day.
	Love a good debate.
	We love a good argument.
	But we always come together and are always there for one another.
	Thank you.
	Great statement.
	He really did well, yeah.
	He came off really, really as a leader.
	Superb.
	He came off really, really as a leader.
	Superb.
	Yeah.
	First of all, I love hearing from our young leaders.
	And when I hear her words, when I hear your words, Brecklyn, I know our future is bright because it is that perspective on who we are and who we should be that is a sign of leadership and is something we should all aspire to be.
	And that, you know, that brings me to Joe.
	Joe Biden.
	One of the reasons that Joe decided to run for president is after Charlottesville, which we talked about earlier.
	It so troubled him and upset him like it did all of us, that there was that kind of hate and division.
	What propelled Joe to run for president was to see that over the course of the last four years, what Brecklin described has been happening.
	Joe has a longstanding reputation of working across the aisle and working in a bipartisan way.
	And that's what he's going to do as president.
	Joe Biden has a history of lifting people up and fighting for their dignity.
	I mean, you have to know Joe's story to know that Joe has known pain.
	He has known suffering.
	And he has known love.
	And so, Brecklin, when you think about the future, I do believe the future is bright.
	And it will be because of your leadership.
	And it will be because we fight for each person's voice through their vote.
	And we get engaged in this election because you have the ability through your work and through eventually your vote to determine the future of our country and what its leadership looks like.
	Thank you, Senator Harris.
	Thank you, Vice President Pence.
	Thank you so much for being with us tonight.
	We want to thank also the University of Utah for its hospitality, and most of all, our thanks to all the Americans who watched this debate tonight.
	Again, our best wishes for a quick recovery to President Trump, the First Lady, and everyone who is battling COVID-19.
	This presidential debate is next week on October 15th, a town hall style debate in Miami.
	We hope you'll join us then.
	Good evening.
	Susan did a good job.
	She did do a good job, absolutely.
	Now, if I had 100 points to distribute, I'm telling you, it was totally one-sided.
	Pence, 80.
	Harris, 20.
	It was that dominant.
	And his manner, Hillary had given Kamala Harris the advice that she needed to be firm but not overly aggressive, but nevertheless make her points.
	That was what happened with Pence.
	Kamala Harris came across as immature, flighty, insignificant, insubstantial, all of which is true to her to the very core.
	And you know, Giuseppe, the problem the Democrats have is The public never responded to Kamala Harris.
	She dropped out before the first primary in Iowa.
	Marianne Williamson and, you know, the Beto O'Rourke and Yang.
	These guys were all in there long after Kamala Harris had dropped out.
	The public just did not find her appealing.
	They did not find her likable.
	And they did not select her to be the vice presidential running mate for Joe Biden.
	That was done by none other than the son of George Soros, who picked her and called his father for confirmation with the DNC, I mean, it's outrageous, Giuseppe, and one of the reasons why the Democratic Party is grossly misnamed would be better described as the undemocratic party or the party of George Soros.
	Was as good as he could have with a couple of caveats.
	He wasn't sufficiently emphatic about BLM and Black Lives Matter.
	We had a comment here about how if, you know, if you go to donate to Black Lives Matter, it goes to Hack Blue, which is a Democratic funding site.
	So a contribution to BLM goes into the pocket of Elizabeth Warren or Amy Kovachar, who by the way would have been much better than Kamala Harris here, and others in the Democratic Party.
	It's a fundraising and voter recruitment drive that has fallen not only short, but it's massively backfired because the American public has been so alarmed They blew it.
	by the rioting and looting and the Democrats were supporting and
	condemning it all the way through the convention.
	It wasn't a single word about urban violence during the convention.
	Contrast that with the public and the entire history of the Democrats' law,
	2020, by virtually not addressing urban violence at their own convention.
	They blew it, totally, 100%.
	Jim, agree with all your points?
	Scorpio's back.
	Scorpio, do you have any thoughts on how Harris-Pence debate went?
	Well, sorry about that.
	We've got a storm brewing up here.
	You know, I thought that I was actually very surprised at how excellent Vice President Pence actually did on every single round of the debate.
	The look on his face while he was listening to Kamala Harris talk was very respectful and frankly presidential.
	She came across as just a whiny, evasive...
	Go ahead. I think he froze up, Jim.
	Yeah, he's a maniac.
	I'll continue.
	I'll jump in until Scorpio gets internet back.
	I thought that Pence won easily as well.
	In fact, I was impressed by how dignified, how presidential he came off.
	And Kamala Harris just comes off as a smarmy floozy you know i mean that all that nasal thing you know
	like the i don't usually come to uh...
	and usually come to hotel bars you know i mean she just has no gravitas and you can't take your serious
	and the one thing that offends me about these globalist
	uh... puppets that the moderator susan did a great job except with this white
	nationalist bullshit We all need leaders who are white nationalists.
	The white nationalists are the majority of this country.
	They're stable, decent people.
	And yet, the white people of this country are getting gaslit by these despicable, weaponized minorities like Kamala Harris.
	I hear Scorpio back there.
	Scorpio, did you hear any of that?
	Let's go back to what you were saying.
	Yeah, go ahead, keep going, yeah.
	And that's what gets me is this gaslighting that, oh, white nationalism, we need a decent class nationalism.
	We need the hardworking blacks, 80% of all blacks in this country, 13% of the population are working class or higher, and the Mexicans, now about 21% of the population, You know, 84% of the Mexicans are working-class or higher, and the blacks... What in the world here?
	Oh, we're going to take call-ins.
	Well, I don't know that we need that.
	It was fascinating, however, after the debate about the presidential that so many Democrats called in and said they were switching to Trump.
	That NPR had to change it to Trump versus Biden instead of Democrats and Republicans because too many Democrats were saying they're going to vote Republican.
	Here's a good statement.
	Yeah, she got a beat down.
	Susan was very good.
	I thought the question about taxes was the one that Pence could have handled better.
	Giuseppe, on our show, I actually read the exact amount of taxes Trump paid.
	It was like $7,543,221 in tax credits plus $750 in cash.
	So that Kamala Harris was talking about the amount in cash, not the amount of taxes he
	paid, which is typical to a big business man.
	You have a carryover, but it's money.
	It's real money.
	It's real taxes.
	And he paid over $7 million that those years, 2016, 17.
	Pence ought to have known that.
	That was the one case I thought where he could have been far better, far better.
	On the other hand, if he just said a little more, if he pumped a little more about Antifa and Black Lives Matter, but he was so good.
	So good.
	I say again, 80 to 20.
	He was four times better than Harris.
	Scorpio, you got cut off making your points about what you thought happened in the debate.
	Would you like to continue?
	Oh, sure.
	I was just surprised at how well Pence did.
	I think he won every round of the debate, and even though the questions, they threw several softballs towards Kamala, and she did not, she struck out.
	Especially the last question, like, oh, Vice President Trump, Pence, what would you do if Trump refuses to accept the election results?
	What kind of a question is that?
	Yes.
	I'll drag him out of the White House myself.
	You know, I mean, come on.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Well, what Kamal Harris ought to have said is about making an appeal to the Supreme Court, which, of course, is why it's so important.
	You can't have just eight justices.
	They could be deadlocked four to four.
	You have to have nine justices.
	Trump said before the best answer to that.
	I was elected president for four years, not for three and a half.
	And now you have the opportunity to make an appointment.
	The Constitution specializes, specifies the procedures, and I am following the Constitution.
	End of story.
	They're just whining and crying because they don't like the way it's going to come out, but that's their own damn business.
	Elections have consequences.
	Yeah, it's really something.
	Everything she touched on was all the globalist, color revolution talking points, and there was nothing for the real Americans, the real workers, the real people who are struggling.
	And I thought, the tired, stupid, oh, 211,000 people have died Well, you know, 90% of it is comorbidity.
	What was Trump supposed to do?
	Everybody remembers Trump let Fauci totally steer that boat every day.
	It was little Tony the Rat in front of the cameras.
	Let me make two points here.
	One I made before, but Pence picked up on it.
	He said, Trump had been told that if he didn't lock down the economy, we'd lose 2.2 million lives.
	Well, we've lost 200,000, but that means Trump has saved 2 million.
	Now that's just playing it straight on the basis of the, we know, seriously flawed Nigel Ferguson model, but that was how they manipulated him into locking down the country in the first place.
	Right, and Jim, the key point that that journalist Susan should have made is how many people died of the flu in 2019, in 2018, in 2017.
	The 211,000 is right on track for the amount of deaths every year.
	And the point I was making to you, Giuseppe, in our very first initial conversation, how many presidents are held responsible for people who die from the flu?
	Right, right.
	That's exactly right.
	They have politicized the coronavirus in a way that no one would think reasonable if they were talking about the flu or malaria or anything else.
	No president is going to be responsible for death from malaria or the flu, and this is a similar case.
	Yeah, yeah, and you know, what was he Well, if only he had locked down the country sooner, we would have had less deaths and the economy would have been better.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	And going back to the Supreme Court briefly, if you notice the big smile on her face the whole time they were talking about packing the court, that said it all.
	Yeah, she wouldn't.
	She wouldn't touch that.
	I mean, it was embarrassing.
	And Pence was very good.
	He repeatedly asked her the question and she would not answer it.
	That is going to have consequences.
	The nudge-nudge-wink-wink kind of thing, you know?
	The nudge-nudge-wink-wink.
	Say that again, Scorpio.
	You kind of faded out.
	The nudge nudge wink wink right before the fact.
	Oh yeah, without a doubt.
	Look at her, that smile on her face is like a nudge nudge wink wink about the packing
	Supreme Court.
	Oh yeah, without a doubt.
	Look, it was because he was following the science, which was pseudoscience, coming from
	Anthony Tony the Rat Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx, backstopped by Don Bill Gates, because
	this whole thing has been an enormous scam.
	Trump was played into sacrificing his greatest asset going into the re-election, namely the economy and the soaring stock market.
	And look how they're capitalizing on that, talking about the bad state of the economy, which resulted from Trump shutting down the economy so he wouldn't lose two million Americans.
	This is completely disgusting.
	And of course, we know now if we had not Had not locked down the country at all, we'd have been far better off.
	We wouldn't have trashed our national economy and we wouldn't be in dire straits.
	But, I say, in the end, the American people will ask, given the economies in a state of rubble, who best to restore the economy?
	The guy who brought us the most robust economy and the most soaring stock market in history.
	This is going to be a no-brainer.
	Well, Jim and Scorpio, this whole COVID-19 scandemic is so politicized.
	You've got the Democratic nanny state.
	Everybody's gotta wear masks.
	The petty tyrants like Fredo Cuomo and She-Hulk Whitmer and the twit Newsome put these sick people in nursing homes, which is the most vulnerable segment of the population, especially Fredo Cuomo.
	He's a mass murderer.
	And they all were doing it for the point of, oh my god, this is so terrible.
	They literally, especially Fredo Cuomo, literally murdered people for a political agenda.
	And it's just so insane.
	Nobody, I wish the narrator Susan from USA Today would have said, how do you contrast the United States handling with Sweden?
	And ask a real question, not this silly, ridiculous, 211,000 people died every year.
	People who are already sick with diabetes, with heart failure, with kidney failure, blah, blah, blah, comorbidity, get a cold, get the flu, it kills them.
	And so that's just life.
	And to act like we're dealing with the Andromeda strain is just insane and it's offensive.
	Yeah, you'd think that people didn't die before COVID-19.
	It just didn't happen.
	Right.
	That's how they've gotten away with this.
	Well, how many people die every day?
	Well, a lot, you know?
	Right, right.
	He was a terrible choice for the Democratic Party.
	I think it's obvious now.
	Almost any of their other candidates Even Elizabeth Warren, for all her flaws, and she is profoundly silly in certain respects, or Amy Kobachar,
	Would have done better.
	Of course, they forfeited their strongest candidate of them all, Tulsi Gabbard.
	Right.
	She would have made such an impression had she been given the opportunity.
	It's absolutely fascinating.
	Here's a great question we got.
	Why should I receive a vaccination for malady that has a 99.7 recovery?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's absurd.
	And the vaccine is going to do you great harm.
	The fact is, it's not this whole idea.
	Thank God Trump's new medical scientific advisor, Scott Action, has said that there are not going to be mandatory vaccinations.
	I would have liked if Trump had come out with an endorsement, a ringing endorsement of HCQ.
	And I know Robert David Steele was observing.
	He thinks Trump can't have had the coronavirus because he was taking HCQ, as are all the other members of Congress.
	Because they know it works to protect them, but they're not letting the American people have access to this inexpensive and almost completely effective, not only a cure, but a prohibitor that benefits you.
	You won't get it.
	I've taken it.
	I'm convinced Trump's taken it.
	And I think it's also true most members of Congress have taken it, Giuseppe.
	And this has just been a despicable act for political reasons to politicize The Trump has said publicly multiple times he was taking low doses of
	Of hydrochloroquine.
	I'm pretty much sure he was taking, doing the Zelenko protocol of a little bit of zinc and the Z-Pak.
	And the funny thing is, about what he had, as a doctor of oriental medicine, he had some lung issues, he had a temporary fever, he was a little weak and disoriented.
	He just had some type run-of-the-mill bug, you know?
	Like I said the other day on our show, When the weather changes, especially out here in the District of Criminals, it was the most brutal summer since we moved here.
	There was never a break that had like a week of nice Wisconsin
	weather, like 80s and low humidity.
	Week after week for three straight months, low 90s to upper 90s and humid.
	It was just terrible for the health.
	And so you're in the AC all the time.
	And then all of a sudden, we got a stretch of real cool weather, beautiful, but high and low 60s at
	night in the low 50s.
	And that kind of change, plus all this travel, affects your health.
	So it was in the pocket.
	Ryan Jay is making a nice point here, that Governor DeSantis in Florida is opening the state.
	And he's setting a model for the nation.
	He's an ally of the president and I think his example is going to be an inspiration of the rest of the country.
	But they will see the clear-cut difference between the Democrat governors keeping the states locked down and destroying their economies and harming the well-being of their citizens and the Republicans who are opening up.
	That is going to be about as powerful and convincing as to how to vote as any citizen of the United States could have as an exemplar.
	I mean, it's just stunning.
	Yeah, DeSantis, if he becomes one of the figureheads for blowing up this whole COVID-19 scam, he's going to set himself up as an excellent... He's got a future.
	This guy has a future.
	...presidential run in 2024, right?
	He absolutely does.
	Yeah, did you guys hear that Governor Cuomo has started this gang of code enforcers to go around harassing businesses?
	He's acting like a Nazi and he's actually shutting down Jewish groups who are having religious services, Scorpio!
	And these code enforcers are going to have the power to arrest people.
	I know, he could wind up being strung up from a lamp pole, I'm telling you.
	Here's a great point.
	Look at that point by Chigon.
	That's great.
	That's why I keep reciting that theme from the Twilight Zone.
	Imagine a virus so lethal, you have to be tested to know you have it.
	Right, right.
	I mean, it's just absurd, the situation we've been played!
	This is a fantasy!
	This is a mind game!
	This is a mind game!
	The biggest psychological operation since 9-1-1.
	psychological operation since 9-1-1. In some ways it's even bigger.
	I don't know. I.
	I've said before, I used to think the moon landing hoax was the greatest ever perpetrated on the world, but this coronavirus hoax is many orders of magnitude much larger and the consequences far more severe.
	You can have the fantasy belief that we went to the moon and that really doesn't affect the rest of your life, but when they're shutting down businesses, wiping out the middle class, massive transfer of wealth to the rich and powerful, that's bad and very bad.
	Real bad, yeah.
	I thought Scorpio made a great point earlier.
	It was Pence's presence, just the way he was there.
	He was a model of leadership, stability, rationality, maturity.
	She looked like a little schoolgirl who was trying to get attention, you know, kind of like a butterfly.
	She did herself no good and did not help the Democratic Party, but then they committed the blunder of making her their vice presidential and their heir apparent.
	They have blazed a future.
	Oh, terrific, Alex.
	I'm really pleased to hear from you, my friend.
	You're a good guy.
	They really committed a colossal blunder by allowing Kamala Harris to be their fair-haired girl.
	She is none of the above.
	I was really impressed by Pence.
	I had kind of fallen for the memes that he was kind of thick, but that guy came across really professionally, really like a true leader.
	I mean, what did you think, Scorpio?
	Well, you know, I always kind of had the impression that he was sort of boring, but he was actually very captivating.
	Yeah.
	And he was on point the entire debate.
	He was.
	He was just wonderful.
	He was masterful.
	Yeah, I want to see if the MSM is saying that Harris wins debate.
	Or, as my very astute friend who follows the polls says, They couldn't after Biden, actually it was the Biden imposter, called out the president as a clown and, you know, telling him to shut up.
	They couldn't say Biden won the debate.
	They knew Trump won it, so they just don't say anything.
	Similarly, they just won't call it.
	But Pimp's dominance of Kamala Harris was even more profound than Trump's dominance of the Joe Biden lookalike.
	Agreed.
	Oh, I agree.
	Way bigger.
	I was a little disappointed in Trump's performance.
	He came across as a little angry and interrupting and, you know, I was a little disappointed there.
	Scorpio, Scorpio, look, friends of mine have said they went back to look at the tape again and they found that it was much better than they realized.
	They seem to have manipulated the camera to sort of zoom in on Trump to make him look more aggressive and more I'll have to check that out.
	I totally believe that's possible.
	They'd do anything to make Trump look bad.
	just that you know i want to get on c-span it was a totally neutral
	broadcast we didn't see any of that i think what you're saying is the
	all about camera manipulation i'll have to check that out i totally believe that's
	possible they do anything to make trump look bad you know he could
	drink a glass of water it's just a reason for it
	you know i i said on the radio last week you know reiterated here
	that uh... if trump would adjust waited like fifteen minutes started out being
	you know kinda shaking his head a little bit like joe joe joe
	let biden go for like ten minutes and then go for the throat like he did i
	think it would have been way more powerful but he had an agenda
	Right, right, right.
	have been more effective. He was actually out to rattle. He believed it was the real Joe Biden.
	And then, you know, it was this replacement where Biden actually has the ear implant,
	so he doesn't need a wire. This guy had a wire before Biden.
	Biden actually has earlobes.
	This guy had no earlobes.
	Biden has blue eyes.
	This guy had black wives.
	Biden wears a double Windsor tie when he ties it.
	This guy had a single Windsor.
	It was not, this was a diminutive version of Joe Biden.
	I would love to see him side by side.
	You'd see he's not even physically the same size as Biden, he's slightly smaller.
	Amazing what they do.
	Yeah, stunning.
	You guys, you guys, this has been a real pleasure.
	I think Ryan's got it right.
	Pence did great, I was pleasantly surprised.
	I think we all felt very good.
	Yeah, I certainly was.
	Clearly, if we treat this as a professional boxing match, I couldn't give one round to Kamala Harris, not one.
	Well, I'll tell you something.
	I think this performance has probably solidified 10 million votes.
	I think this is that important.
	And because the Democrats have placed so much emphasis on Kamala as the heir apparent, this is not going to work to her benefit whatsoever.
	The party is going to go down, down, down.
	You know, they played it out as best they can, the coronavirus thing.
	I think the Trump administration has handled it about as well as it could, given they were induced into false beliefs.
	And of course, the Democrats, it was the trap they were setting.
	The whole business was just laid out to give the kinds of arguments we heard here from Kamala Harris.
	But at this point, they sputtered out, they weren't significant, they weren't telling, and thank God, Pence got in, that originally he was told if he didn't lock down the economy it could bring about 2.2 million deaths, so that if we've only had 0.2 million deaths, Donald Trump has saved 2 million American lives.
	See, you just make that argument based on the flawed model that was the false belief induced in him because of which he acted as he did, and he comes out looking like a hero.
	And Jim, like the classic boxing two-punch left-right knockout, you then add, how much is this year different from 2019 flu-pneumonia season?
	2018, it's no different!
	Yeah, as I say, when was a president held responsible for the number of deaths from the flu or from malaria?
	This coronavirus has been totally politicized because that was their game plan.
	Totally disgusting.
	This has been great.
	Ryan says, Great show.
	Keep up the great work.
	We're doing our part.
	We're glad to have you here.
	Giuseppe, Scorpio, thank you both.
	Oh yeah, it's great to have Scorpio.
	We finally got the whole band going.
	We've been waiting for Scorpio a long time and he brought the goods.
	This was excellent.
	It was excellent.
	Excellent indeed.
	That was a great conversation and quite a debate.
	I was really surprised.
	Actually, it was a fairly high-level debate and very properly conducted, but I loved that Pence would complete his thought To carry it through, that was very commanding.
	That was actually a very important element of his presence as a real leader, a guy in control.
	I thought he was 100% successful by doing that.
	That's a good word, commanding.
	That's a very good description of his performance tonight.
	You guys were great.
	It was wonderful to do this, and we'll look forward to the next presidential debate, which is coming up on the 13th already.
	My goodness, the 13th.
	So it's just a week from tomorrow, or Thursday, that we'll have the next presidential debate.
	Giuseppe Scorpio, thank you, thank you, thank you.
	This was a real pleasure, you guys.
	Jim, do you want this put up at your... Yeah, 100%.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Yeah, I thought it went great, and it's really... I'm learning more about the software.
	I was able to drop in a few of those nice pictures at the appropriate moment.
	People seemed to enjoy that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That was hilarious.
	Someone might argue about maybe one of those, but they certainly added a certain, you know, they had a point.
	They had a point, just that.
	Exactly, yeah.
	They were intentionally disrespectful.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, but in a, you know, in a not overly disrespectful fashion, so I'm going to be disrespectful.
	Well, it's based on reality, so, you know.
	Right.
	Pence really was commanding, and Kamala looked like a flyweight, like a little girl lost, you know, trying to get attention.
	Just think about how many times her answer involved a first-person reference.
	She talked about herself personally in at least half of her answers.
	Pence rarely.
	That's a great point.
	To me, my final statement of the evening is, after that debate, I could feel comfortable with Pence as a president.
	I would be extremely uncomfortable with Kamala Harris as president.
	Scorpio, your final thought?
	No, actually, that's an excellent point, Giuseppe.
	I think that's really the takeaway of the whole debate right there.
	I totally agree, yeah.
	What was super, you guys.
	Thanks.
	And I'll look forward to seeing you again here in just about a week from tonight.
	Right.
	Alex Scott claims CNN will claim that Prince looked too presidential.
	Well, thank you, everybody.
	And Professor, you want to say goodnight and take us out?
	Thank you all for being here and joining us.
	We're having a great time with this.
	The American people are entitled to know the truth about their own history, and we're living through it right now.

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