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Sept. 18, 2020 - Jim Fetzer

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The Fetz Presents (17 September 2020): Dr. Katherine Horton. On the occasion of Constitution Day

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	This is Jim Fetzer, where I'm very pleased to have my guest this evening on The Fetz Presents, a return engagement from Dr. Catherine Horton, who is a PhD from Oxford and particle physicist and who has been leading a legal effort to defeat the use of directed energy weapons for targeted individuals.
	Catherine, it's just a great pleasure to have you back on the show.
	I'm honoured to be on your show, Jem.
	I'm really, really honoured.
	It's always so much fun to address your audience because they're extremely well-educated and highly enlightened, so...
	Well, I'm fascinated to get your take on the insanity of American politics as it appears from your vantage point in Switzerland.
	Tonight I was watching the one television program I recommend, which is Tucker Carlson, and he began with a story about how the mayor of Nashville Concealed from the business owners in Nashville that there had been a minuscule number of COVID cases in Nashville.
	And he and their public health director were making sure that this would remain private, that it would not be published or get out to the public.
	But now you've got the whole state incensed about this.
	And a story later was about how the city council in Minneapolis has been concerned because crime seems to be on the rise.
	And they're wondering why, after they have moved to abolish the police, they can't count on the police to take care of things.
	I mean, Katherine, this is so absurd that I am very confident in predicting that Donald Trump is gonna have a landslide re-election.
	Indeed, I'm even getting reports from California, which recently, by the way,
	signed the governor who is a nephew of Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsom,
	signed new legislation to minimize the legal penalties for adults having sex with children
	between the ages of 14 and 17.
	And this is, of course, just incremental.
	They wanna move the age lower and lower and lower.
	But with this kind of perversion and stupidity and deceit and deception, honestly,
	I think even California could go to Trump, and that would make it a clean sweep, Catherine.
	I think it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
	Donald Trump could win all 50 states.
	I think you're absolutely right.
	I mean, what is most striking to me is that every time I see an interview of Joe Biden, I am convinced that he actually suffers from dementia.
	He has issues pronouncing things.
	He has issues remembering things.
	I think in one interview he called himself Joe Biden's husband, which was very, very funny.
	I mean, you know, Fox News takes the mickey out of that all the time.
	The one thing I find somewhat suspicious, and there are two explanations for this, so what I find suspicious is that the Democrats, which pretty much make up, you know, give or take half the country on average, you know, if you average over all the elections, You know, half the country can't come up with a better candidate than Joe Biden.
	And I think, when I talk to some Americans, I think the best explanation I've heard so far why they would, you know, post somebody who clearly suffers from dementia, there's two reasons.
	Number one, if the president falls ill, I think the vice president will come into force.
	And this trick, you know, the swapping of people has been played in the UK several times.
	There was Tony Blair and in came Gordon Brown, you know, his sidekick.
	Or, you know, there was Boris Johnson and in came Theresa May.
	So there are all these swappings going on and they are very, very powerful.
	You can plant people that nobody actually elected through that mechanism.
	But the other explanation is that the election is so totally lost by a landslide that nobody, nobody would burn their political career by running this year.
	So they, you know, had a candidate who is basically so demented he doesn't even know what's going on.
	So he doesn't mind, you know, winning.
	Sorry, he doesn't mind losing spectacularly against, you know, the best candidate.
	Just add two or three more supporting points to your observations.
	Biden got off the plane in Florida here just the other day, and he waved enthusiastically to an empty field.
	There was no one there.
	Now, this appears to be a trick he learned from Hillary Clinton, who would encourage people up on a stage to a large crowd, point to as though they identified some particular face in the crowd, which of course, completely ridiculous.
	However, it turns out that Angela Davis and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have both said that the reason they supported Biden was not that he was the best candidate, but that he would be the most easy to pressure, to manipulate into supporting the Green New Deal and other extreme Progressive platform issues.
	And in the third place, I mean, this Kamala Harris herself is a mediocrity.
	She's a very limited experience.
	When she was Attorney General of California, she was very harsh on prisoners.
	She even had proof that someone had been put on death row who was innocent and did nothing about it.
	She made no effort to benefit minorities in her role as Attorney General.
	And of all those Democrat candidates, there were some 17.
	There were at least 15 who moved forward after she'd already dropped out, Catherine.
	I mean, how ridiculous is that?
	So you had, on its face, 15 more candidates who were more palatable or appreciated by the voters than Kamala Harris.
	Not only that, but of course, she's from California.
	And if California isn't in the bag for the Democrats, they don't have a prayer.
	And in fact, I'm actually suggesting this time around, they may even lose California.
	Yeah, I think it's just bizarre what's going on.
	What I saw was, just think about the stark comparison between the, what was it called, the rallies, you know, the The Republicans, a big rally outside the White House where the crowds were densely packed, you know, they were densely packed like atoms in a crystal, never mind social distancing, all the way from the White House balcony to the Washington Monument.
	And Biden, I think his little rally had probably 20 people and they were in white circles, I think in a Chick-fil-A, you know, car park somewhere outside a Pizza Hut.
	It was hilarious.
	Catherine, you're so right.
	I mean, contrasting the Democratic National Convention with the Republican was just stunning.
	The Democratic was very pedestrian, not well-produced, didn't have very interesting speakers, Not only did they not have a unifying message, in the whole four days it endured, they never spoke once about urban violence.
	And I say that is going to be the overriding issue in this campaign,
	not the coronavirus, which they've been playing for all it's worth.
	Which appears to have been completely manipulated from the beginning.
	And where that Nashville mayor has illustrated that the Democratic
	strategy is not to get the country back on its feet again, but
	to drag it out as long as they can.
	When we had the same report from the head of the public schools in Los Angeles
	County, which is the most populous county in the United States.
	And in fact, I mean, it has a larger population, I suspect, than some nations.
	It's just astounding.
	And she too was saying, well, we don't expect to be able to get kids back into the elementary grades until after the election.
	And so the coronavirus, we're somehow dependent on an election.
	I mean, you know, give us a break.
	So I think there's been massive stupidity and conniving on the part of the Democrats and the whole world.
	Certainly the American people are waking up in time for it to make a big difference by November 3rd.
	I really hope so.
	I really hope so.
	I had a couple of trips to the US over the past year and Watching TV, there are just some striking things.
	The way Donald Trump is presented in Europe and the way Donald Trump actually speaks.
	When you hear him speak in full sentences at rallies, not just truncated by the mass media.
	And it is amazing because I was very impressed by what he achieved.
	I was very impressed how he's pulling the troops back.
	I was very impressed by the peace deals he was striking up.
	I was extremely impressed by his economic deals, you know, around the world.
	And the other thing that shouldn't be underestimated is also that he calls out the fake news.
	That is unprecedented for a US president, I think.
	Nobody ever went up against the, you know, the fake media and the censorship quite like he does.
	And one of the things I love the most is how he calls a spade a spade.
	And one of the speeches he gave, he said, you know, the problem he has in the White House is that he's surrounded by idiots!
	Now, if that's not honest, what is, you know?
	Oh, I love hearing this from you, because you're an intelligent perceptive observer of political and other events, and that's a validation of my and most Americans' perception, too.
	He's some kind of genius in dealing with the public.
	He's a master of the media.
	He can communicate.
	I mean, they used to talk about Ronald Reagan as a great communicator, but frankly, Trump is more successful at reaching the average American than Ronald Reagan.
	We all like Reagan because he came over as a grandfatherly figure, you know, very gentle, but firm, concerned, compassionate.
	But Trump is totally different.
	He's a guy who's willing to get down in the trenches and fight hand-to-hand combat.
	And I think the whole country, you know, at least the sane part of the country, and I would suggest there are three major political divisions.
	You got the Democratic base, about one-third of the country.
	You got the Republican base, about one-third of the country.
	And you have the independents.
	And what's been going on, Catherine, is the independents have been moving to Trump, I mean massively, over a whole host of issues.
	It's stunning how in his economic program it really was true that the rising economy was lifting all boats.
	It was the lowest earning wage earners, the blacks and the Latinos, whose wages were rising at the fastest rate And now that with the coronavirus and democratic shenanigans, they've been able to turn the economy to rubble.
	I mean, do they really think Americans would then turn to the sleepy Joe Biden, whom, as you observe, is clearly demented?
	And we have illustration after illustration after illustration.
	Or to the man who brought us the most robust economy in American history and soaring stock markets, which continue to set records even in the coronavirus era.
	It's a no-brainer.
	It absolutely is.
	Some people may not know, but I'm a refugee from the communist system in Romania, but I'm an ethnic Hungarian and my family and I were in touch with the political developments in Hungary.
	And there are huge, very, very close parallels between Donald Trump and Viktor Orban in that in Western Europe, so in Germany and the United Kingdom and other countries, they are demonized, both of them.
	And they, both of them, have been called Nazis before.
	But both of them have been absolutely amazing for the economy of their own countries.
	And if you speak the language within the country, if you have access to American media, you get a completely different image.
	If you speak Hungarian and read the Hungarian media and read what Viktor Orban actually said and the people around him, They come across as highly educated, very sensible in exactly what the country needs.
	The other side comes across as lying criminals and ex-communists.
	So you will see the parallels exactly.
	And that's not by coincidence.
	I think worldwide people have woken up to a huge corrupt criminal scheme being played on them.
	And they are now trying to put leaders in place who can break up this stranglehold of this criminal organized crime cartel.
	And the crime cartel has been operating through communism in Eastern Europe, through communist tendencies in Western Europe, through socialism and other, you know, liberalism in America through other means.
	But actually, all around the world, people are now fighting the exact same criminal business plans that this insider cartel has been executing.
	What was extremely funny is that there was a clip from, I think it was Fox News, even from yesterday, as fresh as yesterday.
	And it was Newt Gingrich who was interviewed.
	I think it was Fox News.
	And what happened is that it was, I think it's part of the group of five or the five debate.
	I'm not quite familiar with the TV group.
	It was a different show, but it was a panel.
	Yes.
	I know where of you speak.
	Continue.
	Harris Faulkner was chairing.
	Yes.
	She was the anchor.
	Exactly, and at some point, and it just blew my mind, I had to replay five times to hear that this was actually for real, Newt Gingrich said that all these protests are being funded and even the democratic heads of these democratic states are funded by George Soros.
	And that his money is a huge, you know, component in all this.
	And sure enough, I think it was actually, who was she?
	She was the executive director of, what was it called?
	Save America or something like that.
	Some organization.
	And she cut him off and she said, I don't think we need to bring that into this debate right now.
	And I suspect it's because she herself, I suspect, is being paid out of George Soros' money.
	But again, that was huge.
	It was really huge for a Speaker of the House to say something like that, to be cut off quite so brutally and without respect.
	And that's exactly another parallel to Hungary, where George Soros, who by the way is ethnic Hungarian, He's Jewish.
	He was involved in the, I think it was the asset stripping of the Jews during the Nazis.
	I think, I think, I have to check.
	He was.
	He was involved.
	And I think his precise job was that as a 16 year old, he was going around helping to appraise the value of the stuff that the people left behind who were carted off and murdered.
	But anyway, it was kind of a dirty Nazi job, but he was involved big time.
	And in the leaked interview, He's confessed that that was the best time of his life.
	So the man is a total psychopath, but he's an ethnic Hungarian.
	And Hungary, through his associations out of the country, for exactly these sort of subvertive activities that they've been conducting in Hungary.
	And when I traveled to Hungary in, what was it, 2019 and 2018, there were huge posters advertising, you know, how, what emergent What an emergency it was to get rid of all these associations owned by George Soros or funded by him because they were destroying the country from the inside.
	And those were political posters, but they were everywhere we went.
	So even the Hungarians know what a dangerous man he is.
	And now here he is in America and the Americans are waking up to it and they're cut off.
	There's an arrest warrant out of Hungary, an international arrest warrant for George Soros.
	I didn't know that.
	That's awesome.
	Which would be devoutly, you know, should be executed.
	He's a great menace.
	He's a monster.
	You're 100% correct.
	He was collaborating with the Nazis.
	He was turning in his fellow Jews.
	And I'm fascinated by his role in appraising the value of their property on that particular show on Fox, which was hosted by an anchor, Harris Faulkner, whom I've regarded as generally intelligent and sensible.
	Two of the other panelists cut off and said, I don't think we need to bring George Soros into this.
	And Faulkner just said, we're going to move on, you know, move on.
	But here you have the former Speaker of the House of Representatives, a very formidable political figure, a very astute political analyst, describing how George Soros has been using his money to promote the candidacy of progressive district attorneys in cities across the nation.
	And it appears that he's been very successful, so that we have absurdities such as in St.
	Louis, We're a couple where a mob of hundreds had poured onto their property, threatening to burn down their home and kill their dog, simply emerge with weapons to show they weren't going to defend themselves.
	They are arrested and charged when they're merely defending themselves.
	We had another situation in Kenosha where this 17 year old young man,
	who turns out to be very proficient with firearms, he's an EMT.
	He was there to aid and assist anyone who was injured when these riots were going
	out, and as a consequence, he was targeted by three of these thugs,
	all of whom turned out to have criminal records.
	Catherine, they were trying to kill him.
	He shot and killed two of them and wounded a third.
	One of them was seeking to bash him over the head with a skateboard.
	Another had a gun in his hand and later confided to his best friend at the hospital where the young man, Kyle Rittenhouse by name, had shot away part of his arm.
	And his only regret was that he hesitated to shoot and kill him by unloading his pistol.
	I mean, and Kyle Rittenhouse, the young man, was indicted for first-degree murder.
	I mean, Catherine, this is absurd.
	But you have similar things in Portland.
	You have them in Seattle.
	You have them in Chicago.
	This state's attorney Kim Fox, who dismissed the charges against
	Jussie Smollett for faking a hate crime, where he hired two Nigerian
	bodybuilders whom he knew, one was his personal trainer, Catherine.
	The other was an extra of the set of the show where he was the star to attack him
	at 2 AM on the coldest night of the year in Chicago carrying a noose and
	a bottle of bleach that had frozen solid.
	I mean, how many people are gonna be out at 2 AM, rednecks looking for a black gay actor to assault?
	I mean, the whole thing was absurd.
	We had the video records of them buying the equipment they use for this staged event from a hardware store.
	And Catherine, to top it off, he paid them with a $3,500 personal check.
	That's brilliant.
	That's just beyond stupid.
	I mean, really, it is just beyond stupid.
	But, you know, when people are wondering how the country can go to hell in a handbasket like that, it's very important to remember that, number one, this is happening all around the world.
	So if we want to figure, piece things together, we can always look to Europe or even to Africa, to Asia, because the same crime cutter has been in operation.
	The other thing to note is that people like George Soros, even, are not acting by themselves.
	So they are part of a much bigger business plan.
	They have business partners.
	And what actually matters is now, you know, people have managed to trace it back to George Soros, but they have to go a bit further to actually see the full extent of the criminality and the full extent of the danger that has to be fought right now.
	So this is why I thought it was very good that at least the Speaker of the House mentioned Soros.
	What was hilarious, though, is I think today Fox News issued an apology, but they only apologized for cutting him off in the most neutral fashion.
	They didn't say, oh, we're so sorry that we censored or we were about to censor, you know, the important financial information and subvertive actions by George Soros.
	His name didn't appear.
	It was just about, oh, cutting people off.
	I don't think you actually are that bothered about being cut off when you're the Speaker of the House.
	Surely people must have cut you off in, you know, everyday politics all the time.
	So anyway, it was just funny.
	They almost made it worse by apologizing.
	But what really matters, and this is what I would love to talk about, James, because today is Constitution Day.
	I would love to talk about what I have uncovered about the, you know, the American Republic and their so-called independence.
	And the people behind it, you know?
	Catherine, I want to do that.
	I only want to add the following.
	Antifa and Black Lives Matter turned out to be the paramilitary arm of the Democratic Party.
	If you were to make a donation to Black Lives Matter, it goes to ActBlue, which is a Democrat fundraising source.
	So if you donate to Black Lives Matter, it goes to Elizabeth Warren, Beto O'Rourke, You know, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris.
	I mean, it's that bad, Catherine.
	It's that outrageous, where they have thought they could capitalize on rioting and looting somehow to gain black support.
	But it's all led to this, you know, defund the police, abolish the police, which blacks, when interviewed, have said would be suicide.
	I mean, it's just the black, the poor, They need more police support because they're more vulnerable to attack than whites in suburban areas, for example.
	So I think they're going to lose black support.
	As long ago as last December, Rasmussen had a poll showing 40% of black likely voters were supporting Trump.
	40% Catherine.
	The Democratic Party can't win elections if 10 or 12 or 14% support Trump.
	And I do believe not only are they going to get massive support from the black community, but also from the Latino.
	And that's why Biden was traveling to Florida Because all this talk about socialism, given the parties going in a socialist, Marxist, communist direction, has been alarming to those whose families fled from Fidel Castro.
	Personally, I tend to regard Fidel as a great national hero of Cuba for wanting to use the resources of Cuba to benefit the Cuban people.
	Just as Muammar Gaddafi sought to use the resources of Libya to benefit the Libyan people.
	Hugo Chavez, the resources of Venezuela to benefit the Venezuelan people.
	Ho Chi Minh, the resources of Vietnam to benefit the Vietnamese people.
	But what's alarming now to the descendants of those who fled Castro is the very idea of socialism, which Trump has capitalized on by going, you know, at his many rallies.
	He's got one right now in my state, Katherine.
	Donald Trump is here in Wisconsin tonight as we speak.
	Emphasizing under his presidency, we'll never let the United States turn into a socialist country.
	I think Latinos are going to go for Trump in a big way, as are the blacks, and it's going to eviscerate the Democratic Party.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think so.
	At this point, I think it's also very, very important to remember the history of all this, because the Democratic Party and the Republicans go back to the difference between a republic And a democracy, right?
	And for those people who don't know, I just would like to start, if I may.
	I'm just going to share my screen.
	Oh, you've disabled participant screen sharing, Jim.
	Oh, let me fix that up, Catherine.
	Let me just do that.
	Let me see if we can... I can make you... I think I can make you the host.
	Oh God, that's too much responsibility.
	Go ahead and do it.
	I think you should be able to now.
	Okay, let me show this, because people forget, okay, so this is the Wikipedia definition of a republic, but a republic comes from Latin, res publica, meaning a public affair is a form of government in which the country is considered a public matter.
	Not the private concern or property of the rulers.
	All right, so this is very important.
	So, the primary positions of power within a republic are attained through democracy or mix of democracy with aristocracy and or monarchy.
	Well, I'm not so sure about the mix though.
	But anyway, rather than being an ultra be occupied.
	Okay, it has become the opposing form of government to a monarchy.
	Okay, so, but the key thing is that the Republic is a public affair, and with the Republic comes also the right that everybody has a say, and it is basically for the public good, for the general public.
	Now, if we go and switch over to a democracy, right, so this is the rule of the people, right, from Deimos people and Kratos rule, right, the form of government in which the people have the authority OK, we have the authority to choose the governing legislation.
	Who people are and how authority is shared among them are core issues for democratic theory.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Development and constitution.
	OK, fine.
	But the thing is, in a democracy, what you actually have is the right to choose your leaders.
	Right?
	In a republic, it's meant to be we the people and for the people.
	And even though this distinction on the surface of it seems academic, when you select leaders, what you're opening yourself up to is that if those leaders then rule supreme, pretty much, so you have the mob rule on one hand, you know, the democratic majority can just, you know, mow down the other part of the country.
	That's one problem.
	But also, If you just give the supreme power to your leaders and it's just all about the elect, so suppose the elected leaders, you're open to sabotage and corruption.
	So you can again have a democratic ruling class and these elected leaders become then your ruling class and it's not so much about it being a public affair and the full we the people being part of it.
	So if you go back to the original roots, America was founded as a Republic.
	And not as a democracy.
	And that distinction was very important to the people who fled, you know, supposedly semi-democratic countries sometimes, you know.
	So, that is where it originally goes back to.
	Now, of course, the Republican Party has been captured just as much as the Democratic Party has.
	And, you know, the dynasty of the Bushes, who I'm told are actually an originally German family of the name Scherff and are deeply tied to the Nazis.
	That's correct.
	So, the Republicans have also had their share of Nazis that, you know, sent the country to shits in a handbasket.
	But apart from that, if we're just talking about the fundamental issues and where we should get back to, I think it's the Republic, okay?
	Now, there are some founding documents, you know, there's the Constitution, of course, but also, very important, the Declaration of Independence.
	And I always thought that they really stood as they are.
	And it was only very recently that I woke up to the fact that actually they are not quite what they seem, okay?
	So I should say that I've come across these details that I would like to present today on Constitution Day about the U.S.
	Constitution very recently and they are founded on years and years I've spent researching this global organized crime cartel which goes back to the Jesuits, it goes back to the Freemasons and the British Crown and the Vatican and all that.
	But all these associations have one common language, and that is one of secret symbols, secret handshakes, secret code words and signs, and an entire, basically, I would call it, well, how you call it, gangster talk, okay?
	Secret speech with which this organized crime cartel has been communicating with its members, secretly and sometimes very publicly.
	But by having double meaning and symbols that mean one thing to us and another thing to them, They managed to be, you know, pretty much in plain sight for years and years, okay?
	So, but before I go into the actual details, I would basically invite your viewers to join me for a brief practice round, okay?
	So this is about for those people who do not know about what I presented about cartel signaling or what, you know, you presented about false flags.
	Jim, I think we should go back and actually look at some symbols that have now publicly been exposed as being cartel signaling, so insider symbols.
	So let me just share my screen and start with a very obvious one.
	Okay, people maybe remember the WikiLeaks, you know, leaking this FBI document about the secret symbols that pedophiles use to communicate with each other.
	to communicate their sexual preferences.
	And the two symbols here was this symbol here, which is called boy lover, and then this symbol here which
	is little boy lover. And then the FBI has a couple of
	examples where these symbols even appear on coins, imprinted on coins, on jewelry.
	So if you're wearing this sort of jewelry, you can communicate to a pedophile ring what your preferences are and you can be basically, you know, catered to without anything being spoken aloud or, you know, any emails being sent and so on.
	Now, I couldn't find a second page here on Wikileaks on the quick just now, but it has been published elsewhere.
	So this is a two-page document and the equivalent, so these were the, you know, male preference pedophilia symbols, but there's a second
	half which is the female preference and this symbol here is the symbol for
	girl lover and then child lover down here. So little butterfly with hearts
	but this heart inside a heart is one of these child love aka girl
	lover symbols that even the FBI has uncovered.
	And I say even the FBI because they're also, according to Ted Gunderson, majorly involved in the trafficking of children.
	So they should know this.
	But anyway, it is in their files.
	Now, this symbol here, let me see, where did I, where did I drop it?
	I think it's, yeah.
	This symbol is exactly the symbol that is on Wall's ice cream.
	Okay, so maybe in the US, this is an ice cream brand.
	In the UK, it's called Rawls.
	Elsewhere in Germany, it's called Langnese.
	So it is an international ice cream brand here.
	But if you compare the symbols, okay, between here and this one, I hope your viewers can see the two images.
	So this is a heart within a heart and a bit like a little maze, you know, it's like a single line wrapping around twice and exactly the same thing.
	It's here, all right?
	It's just mirror imaged.
	Do you believe that the ice cream company is involved in pedophilia?
	I actually, I dug around a bit and I thought, how the hell can this coincidence come up?
	And the owners of Walls are actually Unilever, okay?
	So, hang on, let me Let me change the tab.
	Oh, sorry.
	Before I get to Unilever, let me just say that all these companies, some companies existed before they were bought up by Unilever, and all of them had different logos.
	The one I'm very familiar with, because I grew up in Germany, is the German Lange Nase, bottom here.
	So here, the right-hand side on the bottom, Lange Nase.
	This is now their symbol, and the original symbol was this.
	It was an ice cream shop.
	With this on.
	So it changed from something fairly neutral, right?
	To a pedophile symbol.
	And I think we all can imagine the connection between little girls licking ice cream and what that might have to do with pedophile, you know, arousal and stuff like that.
	So it is extremely gross, right?
	And it's in your face.
	And this logo, I think, changed over when Lagneser was bought up by Onylever.
	Now, Onylever, let me just jump to the Wikipedia page here.
	It's this company here.
	It is a British-Dutch multinational consumers good company headquartered in London, UK and Rotterdam in the Netherlands, right?
	Now, this is a mega conglomerate.
	They do literally everything.
	But what I dug up is that their CEO, right, was one of, I just can't find it now on the quick, where the CEO is.
	But if you dig around a bit, what I remember is that I traced the CEO back to the Bilderberg Group.
	So the CEO is a Bilderberger, so he's a part of a much, much bigger cartel.
	And those people who remember the capture of the American media map, I can just bring that up very, very quickly.
	If people just bear with me, it was the Swiss Propaganda Research Institute.
	Yes, here we are.
	Where is it?
	Let me go to this website.
	So those people who don't know the Bilderberg Group, the Bilderberg Group has been identified as the people who are who have brought up American media.
	So this is the American media empire.
	Right.
	And if you if you look at all these names, they are involved with the Bilderberg meetings here, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.
	OK, so if you like, these are the pictures of the people.
	And down here you have the individual names.
	But up here at the top, you have the media brands that they own.
	Fox News, all the others are in here too.
	The Economist and so on, right?
	All the American media.
	And up here is what the networks that these people belong to.
	OK, so the Bilderberg meetings is one.
	Now, this, ladies and gentlemen, is the international cartel.
	OK, so that's the cartel structure here in media.
	But what I was saying is that the CEO of Unilever, Is tied to the Bilderberg meeting.
	So it's the same organization that captured your news media is the one that captured these things and mysteriously is tied in to, you know, pedophile symbols appearing on children's ice cream.
	Okay, so I think that is the connection now.
	Why would they do it?
	Well, it's internal signaling and you know, something you sell to kids and basically their plaster their then internal, you know, Okay.
	Now, but what I wanted to say is that, um, so you see cartel signaling, remember this is a practice round.
	I just wanted to show and demonstrate to people that there's, you know, this organized crime cartel shows up everywhere around you.
	Most of us just didn't know that this was the pedophile symbol for girl lover.
	Okay.
	Otherwise we would have been horrified and never ever bought a piece of ice cream from these people.
	But most of us do not know this.
	The cartel insiders do know it exactly.
	They have an entire dictionary of double meanings and words and symbols.
	And I'm told by insiders that animals have a double meaning, colors.
	People probably know the butterfly.
	It's a symbol for monarch programming because there's something called the monarch butterfly.
	So people who are mind controlled victims are sometimes labeled with the monarch butterfly.
	Because they underwent monarch programming.
	So there's all these internal symbols, but I wanted to show another set, which is quite shocking.
	A victim of one of these programs, Kathy O'Brien, has a book entitled The Transformation of America, about the butterfly program, and discusses how many prominent politicians, including George H.W.
	Bush, who actually took her daughter when she was quite small for her sexual initiation.
	And Dick Cheney and other prominent figures in the government were deeply involved in the exploitation of children.
	I mean, it's truly, I mean, it opens your eyes, but it's truly disgusting beyond belief.
	It is truly disgusting beyond belief and what is what was the most horrifying for me is when I woke up that this was all around us all along and for decades I was ignorant and blind.
	I was walking past these walls ice cream signs And I had no idea that behind this mega conglomerate must be a mega child exploitation industry, just like with Disney and what people are finding out with Disneyland and secret tunnels and pedophile shenanigans and all that.
	So yes.
	And this is why I would like people to understand, because if you're basically like Joe Bloggs or Katherine Horton, you know, eight years ago, You have no idea, and the sheer scale of this will just, you know, slap you in the face so hard you'll be pretty much unconscious for two weeks, you know, in a metaphorical sense.
	That's what happened to me.
	So, what I'm trying to get your viewers is to just take them by the hand and walk them through a couple of examples before tearing down their beloved U.S.
	Constitution, okay?
	So let me do one more example, which absolutely everybody should know, okay?
	And that is that of Starbucks.
	All right.
	So on the right is the modern Starbucks logo that is all around us and all the cities of the world.
	And on the left is the original Starbucks logo with which the company started.
	Now, if we first of all start with the one on the right, most of us just walk past it, you know, don't think about it.
	But if you just really look at it carefully, what you should spot is at the top, the satanic pentagram.
	But also, you know, you can guess that this is a mermaid.
	Okay.
	But hang on a second, because mermaids have one fin.
	So why is this mermaid holding up two fins?
	Well, this mermaid is spreading her fin for you, as she's looking at you.
	So that is, again, a very perverted symbol, okay?
	Now, if that's not quite obvious, if you go back to the original mermaid, you can see that this woman is spreading her legs, or her fin, or whatever, right?
	But there's actually, that's even worse than that.
	If you take the original logo, right, and rotate it, put it on its head, what you can see is a satanic goat eating a woman.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Wow!
	I don't have to spell out just how perverted that is and how satanic, but generally disgusting and dumb.
	But anyway, so now you know this, the original logo on its head is actually this, it's the satanic goat, right, eating A woman.
	Next time you walk past a Starbucks, you know, once you see it, you can never unsee it.
	So every single time I walk past a Starbucks, these days I just go, look at the mermaid, right?
	So I just can't bring myself to buy any coffee from these people anymore.
	Okay?
	I think.
	I've only been into Starbucks once, I can recall.
	My publisher in Chicago took me to a Starbucks for coffee when we were talking about one of the books of mine they were publishing.
	I've not been hooked on Starbucks for any reason, but now, I mean, that's really fascinating, Catherine.
	I never, I was totally oblivious of what you've just described, and yet it's so blatant.
	It is later.
	And I challenge you, Jim, and all your viewers to walk past a Starbucks without actually smirking, okay?
	Because it's just ridiculous.
	Funny enough, if people watch the film called Idiocracy, which I really encourage everybody to watch because it is a documentary, You know, halfway through the film, most people think, why the hell am I watching such trash?
	Wait for the end, and then just wait for the weeks and months after when you can quote the film.
	But actually, in the film Idiocracy, Starbucks has become basically a chain of brothels.
	Okay?
	A chain of brothels?
	Brothels, yes.
	And basically, you know, buying a latte is code for getting a blowjob, or a handjob, or whatever.
	But it's actually highly pornographic.
	I actually like a latte!
	I mean, you know, I'll have a French vanilla latte, but I never thought of... Me too!
	Me too!
	And then I watched, you know, first I uncovered this thing about the Starbucks logo, and then I watched Idiocracy, you know, and then it was even funnier, you know.
	Now I just can't even walk past a shop without laughing, you know.
	But anyway, it is hilarious, but it always involves sex.
	It's always highly pornographic, quite disgusting, and it's just always really weird and in your face.
	But the reason for that is that behind the scenes is a huge sex and death cult.
	So sex and death are their two main products.
	I always say that the Masons and the Jesuits have two business plans, and that's fucking and killing.
	That is their staple business plans that they had since the Roman Empire, and they still have it to this day.
	So their cartel signaling typically involves sexual matters.
	Actually, as a bonus material for your viewers, I would like to bring up one more, something I discovered very recently, and that is the link to, oh God, people will love it, I hope.
	Let me share my screen and introduce you to Erasmus, okay?
	Erasmus of Rotterdam, a Dutch philosopher and Christian scholar.
	Here you can find his Wikipedia page.
	But what is important is the painting of Erasmus, which was made in, hang on, this was painted in, I think, where is it?
	Yeah.
	But anyway, it was at some point in the 16th century by Holbein, a very famous painter who painted this.
	Okay.
	Now if you look carefully at this image, let me open it in a new tab and blow it up for you here.
	Okay.
	What do you see in the top left corner next to Erasmus?
	You see the same mermaid, right?
	Actually, this is an angel, but the angel, which is clearly female because she's breasts, you know, her legs are again being spread in the Starbucks style.
	So what you see here is cartel signaling.
	It's this ancient organized crime cartel that's a sex and death cult.
	And famous people, you know, who we revere to this day, have been in it.
	That's why they were so famous that their fame, you know, survives all these centuries.
	So when you see it, and this is exactly the same symbol, you will actually recognize it in other sculptures and paintings.
	If you travel Europe, you will see other people who were in exactly the same sex cult, right?
	All of these people are related and they're all part of the same club.
	So what I want to show your viewers is that this is going back centuries.
	This painting is from the 16th century and the same club had already famous members back then.
	Okay.
	Now, after this exercise, I would like to get onto the main thing.
	And now there's a more ancient logo.
	And I hope people have kept up.
	Actually, there's one more logo that I would like to show, and that's the one of Alfa Romeo.
	Because the Alfa Romeo logo is... People have to see that one.
	Yes, there we go.
	I'm just trying to find a sufficiently big one.
	Yes, that's it.
	So the Alfa Romeo logo is the third and final example practice round that I would like to Show your readers before I dive into the main thing.
	So this is the the car company, Alfa Romeo, and their logo has pretty much all the main symbols of the global crime cartel, the top symbols.
	The top symbols are that of the snake.
	OK, and you can see the snake is again eating a human being.
	That's the satanic element.
	So the snake represents Satan, the satanic element, and it's actually eating a human being.
	There's also the crown above the snake's head.
	And then on the left, people will recognize this as the sign of the Knights Templar.
	But it's also the flag of, I think, the flag of St.
	George.
	So the original English flag.
	OK.
	Now, what's the connection between the English and the Knights Templar?
	Well, a lot of Knights Templar fled to England and set up, you know, temples which are preserved to this day.
	The Inns of Court, I think it's the middle temple, is right next to the temple of the Knights Templar.
	The Inns of Court where all the lawyers get their degrees and are associated with, you know, one of four Inns, I think.
	And so the UK is connected to the Knights Templar, but the Knights Templar were the mercenary army of the Vatican.
	Now the Vatican itself is representing itself as the snake, right?
	And that's obvious in Nervi Hall.
	Okay, so I'm taking people through a lot of history here, but you need to understand that this is all the same club.
	So Erasmus with the little lady, you know, painted next to him and spreading her legs.
	Starbucks mermaid spreading her legs.
	That's the same club.
	And these clubs have all different symbols.
	They have the pedophile symbols, the little hearts and other symbols like this one, which is the snake.
	And then, you know, the Knights Templar symbol.
	Okay.
	Now this logo is hugely important because it goes right to the core of ownership.
	Okay.
	Of this organized crime cartel.
	In my view, the ownership of the crime cartel is basically the Vatican.
	But the Vatican has been set up as a private corporation.
	Many people don't know that.
	You know, if you watch the film Angels and Demons, you know, the Dan Brown novel, it's even publicly in the film.
	They even claim that the Vatican isn't a corporation.
	You know, it's a country.
	No, no, no, it's not.
	It is a corporation.
	And what underlines the whole structure is a corporation, according to canon law, church law.
	Now, what I'm going to say to your viewers, and this is based on my research and trying to puzzle it together bit by bit, is that when we're talking about the British Crown, we're not really talking about the British Royal Family.
	We're talking about the British branch office of the Crown Corporation.
	Okay?
	Very important.
	And the Crown Corporation, in my view, is the underlying organizational structure of the Vatican and the Vatican networks, okay?
	This is hugely important because in the 14th century the Vatican had a bunch of papal bulls that said that the Vatican or the Pope and the Catholic Church own everything on planet Earth.
	They own all the land, they own all the people and all the animals, and then the third one was that they own, I think they own all our souls now and in the afterlife or whatever.
	So they basically own Everything.
	Now, if you own everything, you have to put all this somehow into some corporate structure, corporate ownership.
	And in my view, that is the crown corporation.
	Now, with this background.
	Okay.
	I hope people could follow me up to now.
	I would like to show you another logo and I would like to decipher it with your viewers.
	Okay.
	So this logo, hang on, let me, uh, let me find it.
	Here, yes.
	Now, this is a logo, this is a corporate logo, okay?
	And it is made up of different parts, okay?
	If you have seen cartel signalling and stared at it over and over, you will recognise in the middle the cross that you saw on the Alfa Romeo sign, right?
	The cross of the Knights Templar.
	And you will recognise the letter C, And another mirrored letter C, although it's a bit wonky and arty.
	OK, but you have C, C and the cross of the Knights Templar.
	OK, now I say that this logo stands for Crown Corporation and basically the Knights Templar, you know, aka the Vatican military arm, you know, the Vatican conquering army.
	OK.
	So that is the logo.
	Now, do people recognize this logo?
	Because this logo, right, you do recognize it doesn't look like a letter.
	I mean, sometimes if you squint, you think, oh, that looks like a H, but a H doesn't have this line in the middle, right?
	So this is not a H, ladies and gentlemen.
	This is a C, another C, and the cross, in my view.
	Okay, so Crown Corporation and then Knights Templar, okay?
	A logo somebody made up, a corporate logo.
	Now this thing, I'll show you where this logo actually comes from.
	Let me share my screen and show you the original.
	Ladies and gentlemen, oh hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Catherine, just for clarity, the Crown Corporation encompasses or is the organization of the Vatican?
	In terms of its complex array of structure and organization and assets?
	Yes, I think that is the case.
	I think that is the case.
	So, here in Europe, people talk about the British crown, the Danish crown, and whatever, the Norwegian crown, and so on.
	Now, if you really think about it, for example, the British crown, right, they do not mean, typically they think they mean the royal family, But really, they are talking about a much bigger structure that outlives any particular royal family, okay?
	Now, the question is, why would you make reference, you know, instead of just saying, Queen Elizabeth, or the monarch, the queen, why don't you say, oh, it's the queens?
	They don't say it's the queens, it's the crowns.
	Why?
	And why would you name something after a piece of bling on the Queen's head?
	Isn't the Queen more impersonating the ownership than the Crown?
	The answer is no, it's not.
	It's not.
	The Crown is the real sign of ownership and the Queen is basically just the CEO of the branch office.
	Okay?
	So, for example, in the UK you have got the Crown Prosecution Service.
	Why the Crown?
	Why name it after a piece of bling?
	Right?
	And what that is, it is deception.
	If you like neurolinguistic programming or just plain bullshitting the people to make them believe that actually the Queen has all the power.
	That's not the case.
	It is the crown that has the power, which is this corporate structure.
	Now in the UK, you can really bring this into focus.
	If you look at the city of London, the city of London is a square mile at the heart of London.
	But it's extraterritorial.
	It's not part of the UK and the Queen has no rights over the Square Mile.
	She doesn't reign nor rule in the Square Mile.
	So who are the real owners of the Square Mile?
	And the Square Mile includes the Knights Templar Temple, right?
	The Middle Temple and all the Inns of Court are there.
	You know, a large part of the press was actually there.
	Fleet Street was inside the City of London.
	So who are the owners?
	And if you try to research this, people say the ownership is lost in time.
	It goes back to, you know, the owners of that land predate Willie the Conqueror.
	So it goes back before 1066.
	Now, who has significant power that's more power than the rulers of England before 1066?
	There's only one candidate and that's the Vatican.
	Okay.
	So, in the UK, you have this dichotomy between the Queen, the Royal Family, and the Crown.
	And in the UK, people refer to the Crown, and they assume, in your head, you'll make the sleep and just assume it's the Queen, which most people do.
	But if you think about it, it's not the Queen, right?
	The Queen doesn't have the CEO powers nor the time in the day to do all the stuff or be responsible for the stuff.
	So there's a corporate structure that's bigger than that, okay?
	Just as an aside, Muammar Gaddafi observed that if you wanted to end international terrorism, you should lob a cruise missile into the city of London.
	Correct.
	I think he was absolutely correct.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I would also include the Vatican and Washington, D.C., because they're actually part of what's called the three-city state, three extraterritorial areas.
	So the Vatican is not part of Rome.
	It's its own country.
	The city of London is not part of the UK.
	And most people don't know that Washington, D.C., including the territory that Congress sits on, is private property.
	And I think it will actually fall under the exact same structures as the city of London, you know, lost in time.
	Oh, God, you know.
	So if you travel through London and go into the city of London, there is no visible.
	Well, actually, there is, but there is not not a recognizable city boundary.
	If you travel into Washington, D.C., there is no This, you know, discoverable city boundary, really, as such, for normal people.
	But yet, it can be a foreign country, you know?
	And there are examples for this.
	For example, in Basel, you've got the Bank of International Settlements, the central bank of central banks.
	The territory it sits on is extraterritorial to Switzerland.
	If you go in there, you are in another country.
	You're not in Switzerland, okay?
	So this administrative trick has been played many times over.
	But what I really, so what I really invite your listeners to do is dig around and, you know, go to the library, dig around and try to find all the information you can about the crown or the crowns and its relationship to the Vatican.
	And I think you will come to the same conclusion.
	I think it's fascinating as you observe that you have the Vatican, the City of London, and Washington DC all being extraterritorial, not part of the larger entity within which geographically they are located.
	That's really a fascinating point.
	So I mentioned the three city-states where I connected the City of London, the Vatican, and Washington DC.
	Now if you look at the flag of Washington DC, it is this!
	Two red lines and three stars, and the three stars stand for the three satanic locations.
	You know, City of London, Vatican, and Washington, D.C.
	That's the flag of Washington, D.C.?
	That is the flag.
	Here it is.
	Flag of Washington, D.C.
	Catherine, I've never seen the flag of Washington, D.C.
	before!
	But it's in all the license plates, Jim!
	That's fascinating!
	Exactly!
	And that's exactly what I mean.
	So your viewers have to wake up to these ancient connections that connect them to, you know, old Europe.
	And everything, you know, has a meaning.
	And it has been around us all the time.
	Like the Washington Monument, this massive obelisk.
	There's an obelisk in the city of London.
	It's called Cleopatra's Needle.
	It's actually been, you know, dragged there from Alexandria, I think, on ships.
	But it's, you know, that connects them back to the pharaoh, you know, the pharaonic bloodlines, blah blah blah.
	But there's also an obelisk in the Vatican.
	So.
	But again, right, let's go back.
	So this is the background.
	And basically what I would like to say to your viewers is look into this because this shit's real.
	It's all around us.
	And it has repercussions for today.
	Exactly today and for the coming year and for the coming elections and for the path.
	That the U.S.
	is going to take, okay?
	Because what I would like to say is the following, okay?
	I remind you of what the logo looked like and now I would like to reveal where this corporate logo appears, right?
	So remember, C, C with a cross in the middle.
	It is not a H, okay?
	It is not a H. It's something else.
	It's made up of different parts.
	Now here is where this logo comes from and I hope you will see what I mean then.
	Let me share my screen.
	Oh, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Let me bring it up.
	Okay, so everybody has it still in their mind.
	I just want to jump to the right image here.
	Okay.
	Now, let me share my screen.
	So, ladies and gentlemen, that corporate logo that I just explained to you, the CC with the Knights Templar, that was not a H, appears here.
	Do people recognize it?
	Right there.
	And this, ladies and gentlemen, So there it's supposed to be an A. Supposed to be!
	Supposed to be!
	I mean it's a very decorative and clearly it's actually not an A or not an obvious A. It looks much more like an H as you're suggesting but actually the C of C.
	The Crown Corporation, actually.
	The Crown Corporation.
	Now the thing is, okay, and I will explain to people how I even chanced across this, okay, because I wasn't born with this insight in my head.
	Now, the trick that's played on everybody is that you see what you expect to see.
	Okay, so you color it in.
	You just do a little, you know, little gap.
	So when people say the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK, people think, oh, the Crown.
	The Queen wears a crown, so they mean the Queen.
	No!
	They mean the Crown.
	The Crown Corporation.
	Here, you expect to see an A, but really it looks like a H, and it's nothing like a H. And it most certainly is not an A. I have never seen an A like that.
	So if you actually really look what's on this page, that's the very page that was actually signed, it's the United States of corporate logo, you know, like the copyright symbol with the C inside.
	It is copyright symbol, America.
	So you are all Americans, my dear Americans.
	So the joke is that when you have, um, you know, when you say American, it's a American.
	When you're American, you are American, okay?
	And you are all under corporate ownership by the Crown, aka the Knights Templar.
	All right?
	Now, what's so funny about this, right, is that you might think, okay, this is, you know, arty-farty T and Ds and As, okay?
	But also, another thing that you should immediately jump out from this page is that Congress is capitalized.
	Now, in these old documents, what was capitalized were corporations, the names of corporations.
	So what it actually says here is that in the company called Congress, on this date, there was a unanimous declaration of the United States of corporate, you know, corporate copyright symbol, America.
	Right?
	On your reading, yes.
	On your reading, yes.
	Yes.
	I'm fascinated by this whole thing, Catherine.
	Just lay on.
	Now, so the thing is, you might think, oh, this is a bit odd, right?
	But if you think about it, and this is where it's really buried, right?
	If you have an important document, state document, right?
	Why, why or why would it be such a higgledy-piggledy, you know, Big letters, big little capitals, big, big capitals, then different sort of capitals, then, you know, wonky, gothic, you know, print.
	Why not have the same font?
	You know?
	Why?
	And it's because they are trying to pull off a fraud.
	Now, if the fraud succeeds or not is up to the American people.
	OK, but all I want to show you today is Constitution Day, so I don't want to rain on everybody's parade today.
	But what I'm trying to get across to everybody is that there is a massive criminal conspiracy and corporate business plans attached to the foundation of
	America.
	And unless people wise up to these actors like George Soros, who I said is tied to the Bilderbergs,
	and the CEO of Unilever is tied to the Bilderbergs, right?
	And the CEO of Unilever, and Unilever is in charge of, or responsible for these, you
	know, pedophile logos on children's ice cream and so on.
	Unless people wake up to this big global conspiracy, criminal conspiracy by very rich people, you know, they will be led up the Primrose Path over and over and over.
	Okay?
	Now the other thing I would like to point out while we're on this is that so first of all you've got Congress as a company really the company of Congress you've got you know corporate logo America and then if you look at the signatures right what sticks out is that you have normal signatures where people just sign their names and then you have signatures with this like curly you know This stuff, you know?
	These little lines and things, right?
	And what I would like to ask everybody is... Hang on, let me blow it up so we can look at these signatures.
	Okay?
	Now I'm asking you, which self-respecting male would have these, like, lines?
	You know, little girly lines under the signature?
	And several of them have it.
	This guy has it.
	Morris has it.
	This guy has it.
	And this guy has this, like, you know, circle.
	And then this guy, John Hancock, has it.
	He's also got a little drawing there.
	You know?
	What is it with these people and these, like, you know, these lines?
	Now, what I'm going to say is the following.
	I came to the conclusion that these lines are mean stuff.
	Number one, wiggly lines, on the first instance, in cartel signaling, most commonly mean the snake.
	A symbol of the snake.
	Something is winding its way, okay?
	The second meaning is when you have this, this is the eternity symbol also, you know?
	But this is the sign for eternal revolution, okay?
	The eternal revolution, right?
	Another Masonic symbol, right?
	But then, if you look at John Hancock himself, right?
	He has a little globe, right?
	In two lines, like a band that stretches the little globe, okay?
	So, you will see exactly the same sign in paintings of Napoleon where he holds a globe and a gold rim goes around the globe.
	Now, what that means is they are global power.
	They are holding the globe in their palm, okay?
	But what you have to do, just like with the Starbucks logo, is you have to compare many, many, many images to actually cotton on to this that there might be a second meaning.
	Okay, so what I'm actually saying here, and this is what I'm alleging, and I invite all your viewers to follow up on this, do their detective research, and see if they come to the same conclusion.
	I would like to submit to your viewers in New Jim that John Hancock was a globalist.
	He was a globalist.
	He was part of a global club that is related to the Vatican snake and global power.
	And so were his co-conspirators here with the globe and these little, you know, snaky lines.
	Now, the other thing to notice is that John Hancock, in a British accent, if you say Hancock, it sounds like hand cock.
	So cock in hand, as in wanking, as in jacking off.
	So this is signed, basically, the main signature is jacking off in British English.
	Right?
	So you have a document that's a total joke.
	It's about the company, you know, some company declaration.
	In the company called Congress about the United States of Corporate Logo America signed by some cock!
	Okay?
	Get it?
	Get it?
	So there's all this double meaning.
	Now, the Declaration of Independence is not a one-off, okay?
	Remember this corporate logo here, okay?
	And now I would like to bring up another document, which is the United States Constitution.
	OK, and I would like to see the We the People image.
	OK, and I'm trying to find the We the People.
	Oh, yes.
	Here we are.
	Let's find the biggest.
	Give me one second.
	I'm trying to find a very, very big image, a large image.
	OK, We the People.
	This is great.
	OK, now let's open this.
	All right.
	So, ladies and gentlemen, this is the We the People document here.
	The first thing that you should realize is you have the same corporate logo right there.
	Under the first corporate logo, it's meant to read article, but it's not.
	It's again this H that's really CC and the crown, you know, the Knights Templar logo.
	So every article of the Constitution has the same logo!
	The same, you know, Well, it's a fascinating construction you're offering here, Catherine.
	Now, I would say there's a whole history of interpretation of the meaning of the Declaration of Independence and of the Constitution.
	That includes, you know, legal precedents, court cases, Supreme Court rulings, and so forth.
	That, to the best of my knowledge, which is subject to qualification, Does not tend to support that interpretation, but I could be mistaken.
	I mean, you're talking about subtleties here.
	There's the philosophical point to be made that any finite string, you know, any string of what we normally think of as meaningless marks or syntax, Is it theoretically amenable to infinitely many interpretations, depending on, as it were, your dictionary, whereby that particular string could be defined as in interpretation 1, 2, 3, 4, endlessly, so that, you know,
	Obviously, you're offering one of the possible interpretations.
	The question becomes whether it is the most weighty or well-supported by contextual, historical, and other considerations.
	I find the whole thing fascinating.
	I mean, Starbucks all by itself.
	The flag of the District of Washington, D.C.
	I mean, already, before we get into John Hancock and what his name may or may not signify here, this is all very fascinating stuff, my friend.
	Just absolutely fascinating.
	I love it.
	Well, the thing is, the reason why we have to bother and look into these things and be very, very open is that people have already uncovered.
	So, what we know is that Freemasons have been involved in the entire formation of the United States.
	I think a third of all the U.S.
	presidents were openly Freemasons.
	What people forget is that Freemasonry is headed by the Queen of England.
	Her leading, you know, aristocrats are the chiefs of Freemasonry in London and the headquarters of Global Freemasonry are in London.
	So in other words, at least a third of the presidents were crown agents.
	I'm very pleased you're going in this direction, because the whole role of the Masons in history has been to me very puzzling.
	Take, for example, the assassination of JFK.
	Dealey Plaza abounds with Masonic symbolism.
	It's never been a part of my interpretation of events, but others think it's quite significant and relevant.
	So I'm fascinated by anything you can tell us about the Masons, because frankly it's an area where I'm really foggy in my understanding and feel I need To get a better grip on the Masons, Mason symbols, Mason history, Masonic actions.
	You know, what have the Masons done to intervene in history to alter the course of events?
	Well, I think what people should realize is exactly what I said.
	So Freemasonry, so there's things like the York Rites, the Scottish Rites.
	The first thing you notice about that is it's all British, okay?
	British.
	It has British origin.
	It ties back to the Great Masonic Lodge in London.
	But ultimately, it's headed by the Queen of England.
	So in other words, if you are Mason, you are in a secret society where you swear an oath of allegiance, even though you might not notice, to the Queen of England.
	So you're a crown agent.
	You're a British agent.
	You become a British agent.
	So a third of your US presidents were British agents.
	The other thing to notice about Freemasonry is that it has 33 levels, and in their internal cartel signaling, The number 33, therefore, features all the time.
	But why exactly 33?
	That's, you know, I mean, it's called degrees, but surely you have 360 degrees, you know, in nature.
	So why 33?
	But if you think about that the letter C is the third letter in the alphabet, 33 becomes CC.
	So when you are 33 degree Mason, CC as in Crown Corporation, you have reached The crown corporation level.
	You are now so initiated, you can help run the crown corporation in the secret society in their secret sort of ways.
	Okay.
	And that this big secret company exists is already has shown up in other areas.
	For example, when people were tracking the drug trade.
	And they realized, hang on a second, the crown seems to be at the heart of global drug trades, you know?
	So again, it leads back to business plans and business structures over and over, and at the heart of it supposedly is the UK, but actually the UK is just another puppet.
	It's just the British crown, the local branch office, and behind that is an actual global structure that was already global, you know, when the Roman Empire existed, pretty much.
	But it doesn't...
	But does it link all three cities, then, the three city-states?
	Are they all... They're not equal partners, or are they, in terms of the Crown Corporation?
	I take the Vatican as preeminent.
	Yeah, so the Vatican, well, they all have different jobs, okay?
	So the way analysts usually refer to them is that the Vatican is in charge of religion, aka brainwash, brainwashing and propaganda, right?
	So the media arm, if you like, traditionally.
	The City of London is the financial arm.
	You know, the entire black flows of money get laundered through the City of London and the network of extraterritorial tax havens around the City of London.
	And then Washington is the power arm.
	You know, you have the Pentagon, the satanic pentagram in a building, and all the satanic big business plans and asset stripping schemes around the world are run through the Pentagon.
	You know, so you have Military power, propaganda and brainwashing and financial power in these three locations.
	That's how people typically think about it.
	Now, members of the chat room would like you to elaborate on the financial power out of the City of London and the relationship to the Rothschilds, for example, banking empire.
	And ultimately, how does Zionism fit into the larger scheme of things?
	Okay.
	Let me show you the books, I think.
	Hang on.
	I'm going to bring up a book where people can learn more about the financial side.
	So, it's by Nicholas Shaxton.
	It's called Treasure Island, okay?
	So, the book I recommend where people can read up about the City of London, the tax havens, and this web of tax havens centered around the City of London, the book is called Treasure Island and is written by the journalist Nicholas Shaxton, here.
	So, it's this Treasure Island.
	In this book, He goes into a lot of detail and he also exposes how the Queen of England has no control over the City of London, which is actually under the control of the Guilds.
	And what's it called?
	The Mayor of the City of London, not to be confused by the Mayor of Greater London.
	These are two different people with completely different jurisdictions and completely different financial power.
	So, Treasure Island is a book where you can read up about it.
	I think he also has a lot of references.
	Just looking at the subtitle, Tax Havens and the Men Who... Stole the World.
	Stole the World.
	I thought it said Rule the World.
	Stole the World.
	Very interesting.
	Yes.
	That's really a major contribution to understanding how things really work.
	Now the connection to the City of London, to the Rothschilds, is also that I think the Bank of England is located in the City of London, if I'm not mistaken.
	So St Paul's Cathedral is located there and the Bank of England.
	Now that already tells you something when the Bank of England is extraterritorial to the United Kingdom.
	Should we be bothered?
	It can't possibly be part of the UK Treasury if it's not in the country of the United Kingdom.
	So the Bank of England that steers the fiat currency of the UK is part of this territory that seems to be owned by the Vatican and is under the stewardship or the trusteeship of the guilds.
	How do the Rothschilds tie into this?
	Well, I think they actually own the city of London.
	And there's this entire story about how the Rothschilds took control over the Bank of England and the financial power.
	OK, so how did the Rothschilds tie in with George Soros?
	Well, I think George Soros was the guy who also was threatening to crash the pound with all his financial engineering around the world.
	How does George Soros tie in with the Rothschilds?
	Well, first of all, they are both Jewish.
	Right?
	I think the Rothschilds were a Jewish family originally from Frankfurt, but then the Sun spread out and built a financial empire around the world.
	People say that they can be considered the Vatican trust managers, if you like.
	The asset managers of the Vatican.
	Okay?
	The bankers of the Vatican.
	So, these people have strong influence, if not even ownership control, of these areas.
	But it has to be remembered that the Rothschilds, you know, in terms of the actual legality of things, cannot be at the top because there's a much bigger ancient corporate structure underlying it all, underlying even the law, the canon law, that ruled everything.
	And then new layers of law were kind of stacked on top of it.
	OK, but so this is the financial side.
	How does it tie into Zionism?
	Well, You know, how does it tie into Israel?
	Well, Baron Rothschild, if people remember, you know, the Balfour Declaration, after that the Queen congratulated Baron Rothschild on the formation of Israel.
	And I think David Icke put it best when he said that Israel is best considered the private fiefdom of the Rothschilds.
	I think that's correct.
	I think they own the land and, you know, actually rule it as a fiefdom.
	People just don't notice because there's something, you know, like the Israeli Parliament, and they don't know how the people who are in the Parliament as little puppets might actually be bought financially, you know, with the financial power of the Rothschilds.
	But it's also something that ties back to cartel signaling.
	For example, I think it's the Supreme Court of Israel, which has all the satanic cartel signaling and satanic symbolism and the all-seeing eye and this sort of stuff, you know?
	So this is how it all kind of connects together at the top.
	But whichever way you start, you know, all roads lead to Rome eventually, right?
	You have to mention the Vatican and the Vatican Bank and the financial power.
	And yes, the Zionists play into the whole thing.
	But the Zionists are just one, one criminal business plan around the world out of many.
	There's also the Skull and Bones people.
	There's a lot of people involved in this criminal conspiracy that are not Jewish.
	So I like to think of the Zionists as extremely important, but just one extremely important part of a much bigger thing that also includes the Catholic Church and so on, you know.
	So that's that, but then also there's a few more things I just would like to add so that I can complete this.
	Oh yes, yes, yes, by all means, yes.
	Especially the U.S.
	component, because it is the U.S.
	we started Talking about, so first of all, let me go back, okay, and show people how the hell did I come across this, you know, the cartel signaling and the so-called declaration of so-called independence and the U.S.
	Constitution.
	I was out in California working with an investigator, just entirely involved with direct energy weapons and non-consensual implants, and in the hotel, in the evening, I was on my own, I was extremely bored, so I turned on the TV and they were playing National Treasure.
	It's a Hollywood movie that is plastered with Masonic cartel signaling, absolutely everywhere.
	But the entire story of this Hollywood movie, you know, with high-profile actors, is that the Constitution The Declaration of Independence of the United States is stolen by criminals.
	And then you have all this cartel signaling.
	Hang on a second!
	They are laboring this point so much, it's almost like the cartel that owns Hollywood is trying to tell us something.
	That criminals tried to steal the Constitution.
	Especially the Declaration of Independence, which is the precise document that is stolen.
	I went with this in mind, watching this film, analyzing all the cartel signaling and what these people seem to say to the cartel insiders through this movie.
	I went back and had a look at the Declaration of Independence and sure enough, all these things just kind of jump out at you.
	But you have to be in this frame of mind that you know that there is a criminal conspiracy, they do speak a secret language, their private gangster talk, that this language is ancient and it is tied To ancient legal concepts, for example, where the capitalization of words means something else, you know, then writing it lowercase and so on.
	But there's another very two other important pieces of evidence that the American people must know if they really want to know what's going on.
	Now, the first piece of evidence is your elected officials who run the US states.
	They are called governors, okay?
	Now if we look up the dictionary definition of governor, okay?
	So this is on Macmillan Dictionary, right?
	A governor is an elected official who is the political head of a state in the United States.
	Okay, fair enough.
	The other meaning is an official who governs a country or part of a country that is ruled by another state.
	Right?
	Or an official who is sent by the central government to govern an area of the country, right?
	Okay, and there's also other meanings like somebody who's, you know, a member of a group that has responsibility for an institution like a school or university or a person in charge of an institution such as a bank or another corporate structure, right?
	But what I'm trying to say is that it has a double meaning.
	The first meaning is That this is a head of the US state, a governor.
	The second meaning is, it's somebody who rules a territory owned by another country.
	So, in other words, a governor is a head of a colony.
	Okay?
	Now, my question to the American people is, after you fought so hard to break free from British rule, and you have your Declaration of Independence, supposedly, and your supposed Constitution, Why, oh why, would you call your heads of state governors if the second meaning of governor, apart from, you know, before you came on the scene, is actually just head of the colony, right?
	Because it very much makes the American states look like colonies, right?
	You have governors all around the world, everywhere in the Commonwealth, under the British crown.
	So would a people really choose governor You know, as the head of state, and remember back in the day the states were much more independent and felt much more independent than they feel these days, and yet they call their heads of state governors?
	Really?
	Well, I think that could be argued.
	There's a difference between the historical use and the contemporary or the intended use within the context of the Constitution for the governors being those who are responsible for the administration of the laws and policies of that region.
	I would see the term as more neutral in the use in the United States, but certainly there is an historical There's a lineage there for usage that has the characteristics you described.
	I think most would deny it were true of the American states that they were colonies, but they are subservient to the federal government as being, you know, members of the greater entity known as the United States.
	Yes, but you know, my problem with the whole thing is that when you go back and analyze the psychology of the people who were supposedly we the people, who fought so hard and had such loss of life and breaking away from the British, wouldn't they do their utmost that none of the British colonial terminology would ever enter their language?
	Right?
	I would think that people would fight much harder to call them just something else, you know, call them something else.
	Why?
	Do you call them heads of colonies?
	You know, there's another piece of evidence, though.
	Actually, this ties into another avenue where people can prove that actually the United States is an unacknowledged crown colony.
	And that comes from And a special type of law that I had to read up about on.
	I'm not an expert, but the more I read, the more I see that that's actually what's going on.
	So here's one U.S.
	governor, and this was the COVID update from April 24th, 2020 of Larry Hogan, governor of Maryland here.
	Okay.
	And when you look carefully at this, I hope, sorry, the big screen actually shows up.
	So this is Larry Hogan, you know, ridiculously wearing a mask.
	But the important thing is not the mask, it's the flags.
	On the one hand you have the flag of Maryland and on the left you have The flag of the United States, but when you look carefully, it's not just the flag of the United States.
	You have this yellow rim around the flag.
	The golden fringe.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the golden fringe and, you know, Admiralty flag.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I'm very interested in this.
	Yeah, the Admiralty flag and people have pointed out to me.
	So again, this is not my field.
	I'm a physicist.
	I have no idea about Admiralty law, you know, going back to previous centuries.
	But people pointed out to me that when you fly the admiralty flag, you're under admiralty law.
	And what it means is that the entire state of the United States is first of all considered a colony, right?
	And you are part of the high seas empire of the British crown.
	And people who researched fraud, Masonic fraud, I would say, or cartel fraud, conducted with the birth certificates,
	also figured out that actually, if you look at the birth certificates and what they say about you
	and their legal relevance, what happens is that if you're an American and you're born
	and you get a birth certificate, what's happening to you is that you fall under admiralty law,
	but you are somewhat considered lost at sea and your real flesh and blood persona
	is replaced by a trust fund in your name, more or less, or another structure that is like a trust fund.
	And when they refer to you, when the government refers to you,
	they are always referring to you all capitalized, as a company,
	as the company founded or the fund, trust fund, in your name.
	Which is all capitalized, which is why people say that if you look at a passport, or an ID card, or your driver's license, or anything to do with government, your name is always capitalized.
	And this is actually the case everywhere.
	Also in Germany, which is another unacknowledged colony of the United States, and Britain, and France.
	Okay?
	And there's other evidence, legal evidence, from the state documents of Germany that prove that Germany is not an independent country.
	It is still under the occupational law of the Allies.
	Now, this is hugely important because when you put all these puzzle pieces together, right, certainly what you can prove is there seems to be circumstantial evidence that people tried very hard to subjugate you all and turn you into a colony.
	Okay, they plastered their secret symbolism over absolutely everything.
	Your flags, and if you look carefully, if Donald Trump I think now they removed the yellow fringe, I think, from the press conferences.
	But when he's in the White House or on any formal occasions, there's always a yellow fringe and there's always two versions of the flag.
	If you go to a U.S.
	courtroom, you will always see the yellow fringe.
	Always.
	And people said, well, you have the yellow fringe in courtrooms, and that's because the entire U.S.
	court system is run under admiralty law.
	And people can look at photographs of judges or film recordings from courtrooms and always the flag has the yellow fringe.
	Catherine, I've never been quite sure what it would mean to be under admiralty law or the law of the sea rather than not.
	Could you elaborate on that?
	As I understand, when a ship leaves the harbor and you are out in international waters, The captain has supreme rule over the cargo and the, I think this is how it is on the Atlantic, also full responsibility, but also kind of almost like dictatorial powers.
	Back in the day, you know, a captain of a ship could execute people, execute traitors, you know, in case of a mutiny and so on and so on.
	So they can actually drop them overboard.
	And it had all kind of very strict legality and so on.
	But I think, as I understand from other researchers, the trick that the Masons certainly tried to play on everybody is to say that actually the entire US land is almost like an island out in the high seas.
	And if you just say, okay, what happened to the people when they left the United Kingdom, or France or wherever
	to arrive at the United States?
	What if you just assumed they were all lost at sea?
	You know, no idea where they were, no idea.
	Are the people who arrived really the same people who left, who knows, right?
	And some people say that there's, you know, with the stroke of a pen, what they did is that
	they just assumed that unless an American says, hey, I'm here, I'm alive, and I'm the same person,
	they will assume by default that you're lost on the high seas.
	You never made it.
	And then they extended that to all the people who were born in the United States because they said it's still just overseas, you know, from the viewpoint of the British, right?
	You're all overseas.
	Heck knows what happened to you.
	You have to report back to the British Crown and say, hey, I'm here.
	I'm alive.
	I would like to have full title to my estate, you know?
	And until you do that, you will be represented by this trust fund in your name, you know?
	And I think people say it's a SESTU-QB trust that's, you know, that's opened in your name.
	But it certainly is a fact that every single time you deal with government in Germany or in the United States and also in other countries, the UK, for example, and even in Switzerland, your name is always capitalized.
	Always.
	Yeah, that's very interesting.
	And of course, what you're saying is Highly consistent with what I've been intermittently told, though never sought to investigate myself, that the United States became a corporation in the early 20th century, as I recall.
	If you have, you know, Wikipedia there at your fingertips, even though it's, you know, politically biased in a Zionist direction, Is there an entry there for United States Corporation, and what does it say in terms of defining the meaning thereof?
	Hang on, hang on.
	What I've just brought up, let me just, I haven't got Wikipedia, but let me just go back.
	There's one, so I was trying to look for sources because Wikipedia can always be modified, you know, in subtle ways.
	Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
	Here's an entry from the Cornell Law School, okay, and this is a legal dictionary Okay.
	Of Cornell Law School.
	Yeah.
	Admiralty, what it says is that Admiralty Law or Maritime Law is the distinct body of law, both substantive and procedural, governing navigation and shipping.
	Topic associated with this field, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	All right.
	Now, what I want to say is that here, the courts and Congress seek to create a uniform body of Admiralty Law, both nationally and internationally, in order to facilitate commons.
	The federal courts derived exclusive jurisdiction over this field from the Judiciary Act of 1789 and from blah.
	Congress regulates admiralty partially through the Commerce Clause.
	Here, American admiralty law formerly applied only to American tidal waves.
	It now extends to any waters navigatable within the United States for interstate and foreign commerce.
	Okay?
	But at some point it said that admiralty law was completely absorbed into U.S.
	law.
	Hang on just a second.
	Admiralty law in the United States developed from the British admiralty courts present in most of the American colonies.
	These courts function separately from courts of law and equity.
	With the Judiciary Act, though, Congress placed admiralty under the jurisdiction of the federal district courts.
	Right?
	Now, what I would like to say, though, is you always, always, when you're dealing with these shysters from the Masonic clubs and all these people with a lot of power and money, they always have a double language.
	So when they say that Congress placed admiralty under jurisdiction of the federal district courts, most innocent, sensible people would think, oh, that means that they can adjudicate admiralty law.
	But I think another meaning is also that the entire court system, right, fell under Admiralty law.
	You have to really read this act and what exactly it says between the lines.
	You brought up a vast number of really fascinating and important issues.
	Now, an astute member of the chat room suggests that actually this transition took place in the late 19th century, 1871 specifically, he suggests, in the 14th amendment.
	I cannot recall the precise content of the 14th amendment.
	I thought I'd heard it recently that Trump could invoke the 14th Amendment against insurrection, so I don't know if you have that at your fingertips.
	Could you review the content of the 14th Amendment?
	Maybe it bears on this issue.
	14th Amendment.
	Okay, now let's share this one.
	Let's have a look.
	Alrighty, so Constitution of the United States of America, Amendment 14, Section 1, All persons born or naturalized in the United States and
	subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein
	they reside. No state shall make or reinforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or
	immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
	liberty, or property without due process of law, and so on and so on. See, this is where this is
	relevant. Now, you know what?
	The COVID lockdowns and so forth, Catherine, because the governors of the states are imposing constraints.
	They're issuing his edicts and requiring the citizens to follow that are an abridgment of their constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment.
	Now, the member of the chat room who raised this question observes there are other sections of the 14th Amendment that may bear on the question we're pursuing.
	Yeah, so I wish they would point out which one, but one of the things I can say immediately is that other researchers who looked into all this, you know, the replacing of men and women with, you know, legal fictions, say that person and citizen are constructs that already fall under this legal fiction.
	So you're not a man or a woman or flesh and blood, you are a person or citizen.
	And the precise definition of citizen and person falls then back to legal dictionaries, for example, blacks.
	Well, a person is a human being at a stage of development where they have certain social and legal rights.
	That's why abortion legislation dictates that abortion is only murder if it involves a deliberate killing of another person that is wrongful.
	Because we can have the deliberate killing of persons in warfare, police performance of duty, and so forth, that is not wrongful, and therefore does not qualify as murder.
	And the other line of argument is that the developing fetus does not become a person until at least the end of the second trimester, which I regard as a sound argument, and therefore abortion could not be Even though it's the deliberate killing of the developing entity, murder, because the entity whose life is being taken is not a person.
	And that's why I view Roe v. Wade as really establishing the first primary right to life with the incident of personhood at the end of the second trimester.
	Principally justified on the biological or physiological basis of the ability to live independent of the uterine environment.
	It's a function of the development of the lungs, it turns out, not the heart and the brain.
	Yeah.
	You know, I think in all this, so there's all these different applications of it all, but originally, right, if you go back, because as I said, what I'm trying to explain to everybody is that I came to realize that all these distinctions, men and women, black or white or foreign or immigrant or, you know, naturally born in one country, they don't matter as much as the distinction between cartel insider and cartel outsider.
	Wherever you go in the world, that is the biggest difference between us all, and that's the one that ultimately seems to matter.
	Now, to us cartel outsiders, all these words like person, citizen have one meaning, and to the cartel insiders, they have another meaning.
	Now the issue is that I'm trying to explain to people is that the people who signed the so-called Declaration of so-called independence, right, were to a large part cartel insiders, okay?
	And therefore their words and their terminology, you have to go back to their cartel dictionary, and find out what they really mean.
	One example that was brought home to me is if you go to the legal dictionary called blacks and look at
	the 19th century early versions of the law dictionary, you have the definition of human and
	the definition of human is that of a monster.
	Why is a human a monster?
	Well, what they meant is that the word human in their cartel insiders talk, right?
	And that jargon is the marrying of a man or woman with this legal fiction, but you kind of morph into it.
	In human, as in human rights, for example, you morph real men and women with this kind of like artificial legal construct, and you create a monster, okay?
	You create something that's not natural, alright?
	And that's what they mean.
	It's all self-referencing within their own legal shenanigans.
	And that's very important for human rights, because what they say is, oh, it doesn't really matter what you do to trust funds, you know?
	I mean, you can destroy them, reform them, merge them, mwah!
	It's not, you know, the same big deal as killing people, right?
	So what the cartel tries to do is this kind of trickery with language and neurolinguistic programming and just plain deception.
	And when they talk, they mean one thing.
	And when we talk, we mean another thing.
	Now, ultimately, what matters is what do the people think and mean who have the power?
	Right?
	We don't have the power.
	So what we think really doesn't matter.
	The only thing that matters is what do they think?
	What do they mean?
	And can we cotton on to some big deception?
	You know?
	Well, this is a fascinating piece of historical reconstruction, Catherine, which comes to me totally as a surprise.
	I had no idea we would move in this direction, but I love it.
	And of course, I'm engaged in trying to get history right regarding a host of events like JFK, 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, and all that.
	And, you know, the mythology that surrounds World War II.
	But this is an avenue that I've never pursued, and you've really opened a path.
	I'm going to share this with a number of scholars whom I hold in high regard for their take, because this is really fascinating stuff.
	The commentator raised a question about the 14th Amendment and so forth suggests we have a difference between the United States, then all in caps, United States of America versus, you know, the mix of upper and lower case.
	And that's utterly consistent, of course, with your position.
	I don't know, does Wikipedia draw such distinction?
	I have to look.
	I really think so.
	It's like this.
	I really think that it's worth people's time to start thinking along these lines and investigating along these lines, because the more you look, the more you uncover and the more you actually understand what is going on.
	OK, so what I would like to say is if your viewers are you, Jim, go away and spend some time investigating all this under this avenue.
	I think it will be worthwhile, and it will be actually a transferable skill, because you can transfer it straight to what happened in France, what happened in the UK and other places.
	Earlier in the show, you asked me, for example, what's the role of the masons in world history?
	Well, I spoke to some masons who were drunk enough to kind of blurt out stuff about secret masonry law that otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to say, and one of these drunk guys said, well, you know, the Freemasons organized and conducted the French Revolution.
	And if you look at the Declaration of the Rights of Man from the French Revolution, you've got Vatican cartel signaling plastered all over it.
	Okay?
	That's very interesting.
	I mean, from a historical perspective, I would say the French Revolution was one of the great moments of history in terms of, you know, a populist movement to establish a new form of government that was more responsive to the needs of the people.
	Maybe that's naive, but that's certainly, I would say, the predominant interpretation of the French Revolution, that it was a good thing.
	In which case, if that were correct, then the Masons would, if they were involved in fomenting the French Revolution, have in that instance at least done a good thing.
	On the other hand, the Bolshevik Revolution, slaughtering the Czar's family and so forth, might be accounted something less than a good thing.
	And if masons were involved, though generally it appears to be Jewish, you know, revolutionaries
	who were responsible in that instance, Lenin, Trotsky, and the like.
	I mean, it's kind of fascinating to open it up this way because I think many of us tend
	to focus more exclusively, say, on the role of the Zionists, who tend to be identified
	both ethnically or racially as well as in terms of their ideology, which tends to be
	highly self-serving, and overlook the role of the masons in the Catholic Church here.
	I've had a number of people over the years suggest to me that it was really the Catholics or the Jesuits who were responsible for one of the events that I at least was attributing to Zinus or to other parties, but it seems very consistent with your presentation that the Vatican may have an overarching role here that's far more profound than I at least have appreciated in the past.
	Well, the way to look at it is that you're looking at a global corporation, a global criminal business plan, where secret societies and secret services feature quite strongly.
	And secret societies, you know, try to recruit people of similar backgrounds and so on, but they are ultimately just part of the same Global cartel.
	So it's like, you know, kind of feeling an elephant in darkness and the Zionists hold on to the trunk and the Catholic Church is holding up, you know, onto one of their back legs.
	And everybody is right because yes, the Zionists are involved.
	Yes, the Catholic Church is involved, but then so are many others like Skull and Bones, the Freemasons, you know, that supposedly are not really neither Jewish nor, you know, Catholic as such.
	They're again another So, really, the way to do it is to look at what people are involved and who they collaborate with at the highest level.
	And you will find that, for example, the Zionists, those people you can identify as quite clearly arch-Zionists, they will collaborate with leading Catholics and leading financial arms that are not necessarily Jewish.
	So I think all these groups are extremely important, and when you're studying one group, well, you will be referring to the Zionists, and that is completely correct.
	I think a lawyer we both know, Jim, she was saying that the Catholic Church has a major role in subverting the legal system in the United States.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	There's another comment from the chat room that Jesuits are actually crypto-Jews, which would, of course, make a tighter... Yeah, you know, at the end of the day, I would say that they are all, you know, on some level satanic, and Satanism is the fetishization and kind of like, you know, what to call it, like systematic I don't know.
	Yeah, the fetishization of psychopathology.
	So ultimately, at the very top, the basic core, what we're dealing with is a network of psychopaths, okay?
	And some psychopaths happen to be Catholic and be in the pedophile Catholic network.
	Others happen to be Jewish and therefore have been recruited into the Jewish Zionist networks.
	Other, you know, psychopaths are with Goldman Sachs, or they are just with the masons.
	And, you know, so there are all these feeding streams, or maybe they're in Hollywood, okay, and they just like torturing and raping children.
	So there are all these feeding avenues, but it's the same network at the very top.
	It's one big global monopoly.
	Okay, now, while we're on this topic, I would like to actually, because we're still on Constitution Day, you know, and I would like to keep the focus on the United States, I would like to put one more piece of circumstantial evidence before your viewers, and that is the curious case of Benjamin Franklin.
	Oh, oh, oh, before we go there, though, sorry, just briefly, it ties in with the 14th Amendment, okay?
	Because you mentioned the French Revolution, and I said it's all Masonic, and this is what came out of the French Revolution.
	Pretty much how the Declaration of Independence came out of, you know, the American fight against the Brits.
	Now, if you look at the Declaration of the Rights of Man, that is the document to come out of the French Revolution.
	If we just zoom into this, hang on, I have to do it manually because I can't jump between screens that easily.
	So here, I just need two more minutes to put all this together before your viewers.
	This is the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of Citizens.
	de l'homme, okay? Et du citoyen. Huh, interesting. So this is the Declaration of the Rights of Man
	and of Citizens. Huh, so there's already a dichotomy between man,
	which typically meant men because who cares about women?
	But human.
	Well, I think they meant human beings.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Human beings is again another... But it's man.
	So the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen.
	And citizen is already a different construct.
	Yeah, because what's a legal notion?
	A citizen is a part of a, you know, a political entity or jurisdiction and subject to laws.
	So they're saying there's certain rights you have as a man, meaning mankind.
	This is not restricted to males only, but mankind.
	As a human being, you have certain rights that are inalienable.
	And as a citizen, you retain rights that cannot be violated by a sovereign.
	I think that's the general idea.
	Well, well, we have to be careful between the general idea that they induce in us and what they actually wrote on a piece of paper, okay?
	Now, the most striking thing about the Declaration of the Rights of Man is, if you look at the top, you see the all-seeing eye!
	The same all-seeing eye that's on the one-dollar bill, huh?
	Yeah, sure.
	Right?
	And not just that, you have the angel on the left taking the scepter of power And the scepter of power is pointing at the all-seeing eye, and then the other hand is pointing down at the rights of man.
	Now, if you look at carefully what is here, down here, is these are, I never know how to pronounce it, but these are Roman fasci, you know, these like, tied together.
	These fasci are also, I think in your Congress, Or the House of Representatives.
	At the back, they are carved into wood.
	That's the old Roman Empire, okay?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Ancient symbols of Of the Roman Empire.
	But it's this spear, made out of fashi, that is spearing, you know, the Jacobites' head.
	Right?
	The hat representing their head.
	So something speared their head.
	It went right through their brain, by the looks of it.
	But behind it is the snake biting its own tail.
	The snake, the Vatican snake, that is basically the symbol of eternal revolution.
	It's biting... But of course, now...
	This Declaration of the Rights of Man can be written in many forms.
	I mean, this is one specific version as opposed to... It's one specific version, but this is the one that's, you know, kind of, that is famous.
	So one big network kind of pushed it, you know?
	Remind us of some of the specific rights that are asserted.
	Oh, here, okay.
	Let's read it.
	This is actually really hard to read.
	I can't pull it up any bigger.
	Hang on.
	I would have to go back to the original page.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think if people want to read the actual rights... So, by the way, if you go to the original rights, they're all really good, okay?
	So, if you just go back...
	I mean, that document and the work of John Locke and others was heavily influential on the founding fathers of the United States.
	Yeah, no.
	Here, so on the articles again, right?
	Men are born and remain free and equal rights and so on, right?
	And so on and so on.
	This is all, if you just read it, a normal print and you take, you know, the meaning of it as we understand it, it's all fair enough.
	But what I'm trying to say is that already behind the Declaration of the Rights of Men in France, There was a Masonic-slash-Vatican-slash-Jesuit network that was already imprinting itself with the same symbols that they used to imprint over your currency in the United States.
	So there seems to be some big network that's very important and is involved in these big events, you know?
	So, what I'm trying to point to, though, with relation to the United States, is that the Declaration of Rights of Man and of the Citizen was in 1789, okay?
	If I go back to the 14th Amendment that I have up right here, yes, if you look at that, what year that's from, it's the Constitution of the United States of America, 1789.
	The same year!
	So you have, you know, the tumultuous colonies of the United States and you have old Europe, France, both of them fighting to break loose from monarchies and, you know, despotism and all that.
	And yet in France, the whole thing seems to have been captured by the Masons and the Vatican crime cartel.
	So could it have possibly been that it also got captured, you know, in the United States?
	Happened in the same year.
	So all I'm saying is, Be careful and look for the signs, okay?
	And don't be surprised if you chance across a big conspiracy.
	And don't be surprised if you chance across the members of the sex and death cult.
	Okay?
	This has just been wonderful.
	I've so enjoyed this.
	Seldom had such a consciousness expanding conversation.
	Okay, just really sensational.
	I'm so grateful to you for taking such preparation for this event.
	I'm just delighted.
	Delighted.
	Do you have a final word before we conclude?
	A final word, a final piece of evidence, and then I will shut up.
	This is really smoking gun people, and this is kind of very important to know, especially for those people who read The Transformation of America, right?
	About the entire satanic background, the rape and murder of children and women and so on.
	You all know, you know, your beloved Benjamin Franklin, but Benjamin Franklin was the Postmaster General, and I would like to submit to your viewers that being the Postmaster General back in those days was pretty much equivalent to being the head of NSA these days, because if you wanted to spy on communication, you spied on the post, right?
	Now he was not just Postmaster General, Benjamin Franklin also spent quite some time in London and had a house in London, okay?
	So he was really kind of schmoozing close to the Crown, very beloved, you know, by the Crown and so on.
	Now, what people found is that when they excavated the basement of his house in London, they found a bunch of skeletons, which date to this day.
	And I would like to share a final piece of evidence, the Smithsonian, right?
	The U.S.
	Smithsonian here.
	It's the Smithsonian's website, smithsonian.com.
	Why was Benjamin Franklin's basement filled with skeletons?
	Right?
	Repairs on Franklin's old house, a London house, turned up 1,200 pieces of bone from at least 15 people.
	Now what these people show down here is a painting of Benjamin Franklin and it shows him in this pose showing basically the V.
	It's called the Templar V. It's another cartel insider sign.
	Fingers around his throat.
	Around his throat, but it makes a V sign, you know, pretty much like the V Churchill the Mason did after the Second World War, you know, which people assumed means victory, but actually doesn't mean victory.
	It's just this V is, or this V is the same as this V, you know, so just as an aside.
	But anyway, they claim here that for nearly two decades leading up to the signing of the Declaration of so-called Independence, Benjamin Franklin lived in London in a house at 36 Craven Street.
	In 1776, Franklin left his English home to come back to America.
	More than 200 years later, 15 bodies were found in the basement, buried in secret in a secret windowless room beneath the garden.
	Right?
	Now, in this article by the Smithsonian, right?
	You can all read it for yourselves, and I can send you the link, Jim.
	What's suggested is that Benjamin Franklin studied anatomy, and he had corpses brought to his house to study, and then he just dumped them in the garden.
	But frankly, back in the day, that's not what you did.
	The same people who brought you the corpses could take it back to the hospital or to the university and get rid of the bodies.
	Why would you just dump 15 bodies in your own back garden?
	So what I'm submitting here is that actually Benjamin Franklin was part of that very same satanic sex and death cult, and that these people, in my view, most likely were murdered in satanic ritual human sacrifice.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's fascinating.
	You'd have no reason to know, but a dear friend of mine, Mike Palachuk, did a book about me and Kevin Barrett comparing us to the White Rose.
	in a group in Germany who of course came to a fateful end for their attempts to oppose fascism in Germany because he felt we were opposing the emergence of fascism in the United States.
	And on one occasion he was comparing us to the Founding Fathers and he said he always thought of Kevin Barrett as John Adams and me as Benjamin Franklin.
	Once you know where to look, you see cartels everywhere.
	Do you know the cartoon Futurama?
	There's an episode where the characters of Futurama travel back in time and meet Benjamin Franklin.
	And it's about the forgery of some US, early US dollar bills.
	And they say to Benjamin Franklin, is this one of yours?
	And in the cartoon, he looks at it and says, oh, it's, it's, you know, littered with satanic symbolism.
	It looks like one of mine, but I don't think it is.
	And then they find out to actually forge the money.
	So you have all these little hints and, you know, all the Hollywood movies and like National Treasure, you know, that was the movie I watched.
	And, oh yes, National Treasure is the one which is about the theft of the Declaration of Independence.
	And, you know, when you just look at how it's advertised, National Treasure, with Nicolas Cage, you have the pyramid here and the all-seeing eye right there, the same all-seeing eye.
	So it's the same club, Jim.
	And yeah, they've been ruling us for a long time and hopefully not past 2020.
	Well, Catherine, I think this is maybe the end of the conversation, but the beginning of an intellectual excursion, because I'm going to share this with a number of associates of mine and pursue these issues.
	And we'll continue this conversation on another occasion.
	I cannot thank you enough for being here tonight.
	It was just wonderful beyond words.
	So, by way of conclusion, this is Jim Fetzer thanking Dr. Katherine Hortonby, my special featured guest tonight on the Fetz Presents.
	It's been sensational.

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