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Sept. 3, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
01:57:08
The Fetz Presents (1 September 2020) with "Cyberclops"
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Yeah, I'm talking to members of the chat room.
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Well, this is Jim Fetzer on the Fetz Presents, where my guest this evening has chosen to use a pseudonym of Cyberchops.
So I'm going to refer to him as Cy or Cyber, and I think we'll all know the score.
Anyone who has any questions for us, just put them in the chat line in caps, and we'll go from there.
We'll begin wherever.
Cy, give us some of your thoughts about the latest from the front.
This is going to include, oh, they're saying no sound.
Oh, wait a minute.
I remember now.
There is a problem here.
I got to fix it.
I got to fix it.
Let me see.
Yeah, to get the sound, there it is.
I got to do this differently.
I got to do this.
Yes, yes, yes.
Okay, now can you hear me?
Can you hear me now?
I think we're okay.
Yeah, you can, Cyber, but the way it is, the way it's broadcasting out there, they can't hear me unless I do it a funny kind of way.
I think we're okay.
Are we okay there?
Yes, there it is.
Okay.
Tazzy Toes, excellent.
Excellent.
Glad you're here.
Glad you're here.
All right.
This is Jim Fetzer, and the show is The Fetz Presents, and I have as my special guest a person I've had a lot of correspondence with.
He seemed to me to have a lot of interesting things to say.
I wanted to bring him on the show.
He prefers to use a pseudonym of Cyberclops, so tonight The Fetz Presents Cyberclops.
I'm going to refer to you as Cy or Cyber, Cyberclops.
So go ahead, give us an intro, give us some thoughts, some of your thoughts.
There's so much going on here.
I was just watching the final part of Of Tucker Carlson tonight and they were talking about how New York City has become a wasteland and how this Bill de Blasio appears to be completely out of his mind, how the wealthiest residents of the city have lost the city, how there's no longer anything to do.
Now, women are being subject to attempted rape right on the subway station platforms.
Police are being, you know, put out of commission by Bill de Blasio.
This guy seems to me completely incompetent, completely corrupt, totally incapable of dealing with the issues that are involved here.
Your thoughts, Cyber?
Well, actually, my son's a jazz saxophone player in New York City, but I'm not a big fan of the place at all.
And especially with all the entertainment being shut down, there really is nothing to do there with the restaurants closed and the theaters closed.
I presume they're closed and the entertainment industry is More or less shut down.
So it's probably pretty much a hellhole, really.
You know, it doesn't surprise me at all that people want to get out of there.
I don't enjoy it anyway.
So I guess, you know, as far as What I might want to bring up, I might just recount that a friend of mine in the city where I live asked me what I think of... That was a feedback from my getting it going.
Keep going, Cyber.
Okay, a friend of mine asked me what I thought of Black Lives Matter, and I don't really know much about it, but I said, well, the name is offensive to me because it should be All Eye Matter.
And I was only making that suggestion out of the thought of trying to be helpful and positive and have something that would benefit the movement.
Then, as it turns out, I was very naive because it turns out That Black Lives Matter is far worse than I ever imagined.
It appears to be a racist black separatist movement as near as I can tell, and it's violent, and I think painting BLM on city streets is entirely the wrong thing to do, and it doesn't decrease violence, it increases it.
So I don't know what your thoughts are on it, but those are mine.
Oh, I think you got it right.
I mean, it's actually the paramilitary wing of the Democratic Party.
It turns out if you go to make a donation to Black Lives Matter, that it goes to ActBlue, and it's distributed to Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, you know, Beto O'Rourke, Probably everyone except Tulsi Gabbard, who was the only one worth a toot in the whole crowd, in my opinion.
I mean, I was a big fan of Tulsi, so of course they cut her off.
My understanding is, because the Senators had to go to Washington for the fake impeachment hearings, that Tulsi and Iowa got to know each other so well that Iowa voted overwhelmingly for Tulsi Gabbard, which is why there was a delay in reporting.
Oh, really?
Yeah, they had to scramble the outcome to conceal the fact that she had actually prevailed.
Well, that's very interesting information, if in fact it's the case.
Well, it would have set the party on a whole different trajectory, far more promising.
But you see, it's the old guardians, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who are still pulling the strings for the Democratic Party.
And they had their own agenda, which had very little to do with caucuses and voters.
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
The primaries are all just window dressing.
Do you know, or did you know that if you Type in in your location bar antifa.com, then it goes directly to joebiden.com.
That makes perfect sense.
Makes perfect, perfect sense.
Well, it does because, again, I just found out—I was listening to Dan Bongino today, and he played some clips where Biden is actually endorsing Antifa and thinks it's great stuff, you know.
You're going to be seeing those in campaign commercials very, very soon, Cy, because the Democrats are now trying to pretend they had nothing to do with it, as though they had no connection with or knowledge of Antifa or Black Lives Matter.
Now that the looting and the riots and the arson have become a major issue, I think the major issue for this campaign.
Well, I think a bigger issue is the fact that it's, in my mind, highly likely that the Democrats are going to cheat Every way that they can, and they already have the past four years.
You know, the Flynn case, the Russian collusion, it just goes on and on, the phony impeachment.
They've done everything possible to obstruct the will of the voters.
When they go after Trump, they're really not going after, while they may think they're going after him, they're really going after the people that voted for him.
I only voted for Trump at the very last minute because, you know, the polls were saying that Hillary is going to win by a big margin and so on, and I didn't want her to have a gigantic landslide.
I was actually supporting Jill Stein, which turns out to be another stupid move, but that's what I was doing.
And so I did cast a vote for Trump.
I never was a huge fan of Trump, although I did think that he had the best chance of beating Hillary of all the candidates that were running.
And that turned out to be the case.
Well, you know, I mean, all the polls were rigged for Hillary.
We had all kinds of data on it.
They were oversampling Democrats, oversampling women.
Especially targeting persons who identify themselves as progressive to get Hillary, you know, very high poll numbers, but they bore no relationship to reality whatsoever.
Even Michael Moore, you'll recall, was predicting that Hillary was going to lose because she was neglecting the Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
And of course, he was prophetic then, And he's observing now that the enthusiasm factor for Trump is off the charts, not so much for Joe.
I mean, what can you say?
How can you get excited about a mentally incompetent, senile or brain-damaged candidate?
I mean, it's pretty tough to work up much enthusiasm for that.
And when they ran their whole convention and never even talked about urban violence, I think that's going to be decisive in this election.
Well, my main source of information is just various YouTube videos.
And there's certain people that I like, but what I do notice is that there is a great deal of enthusiasm for Trump and there's a very great amount of pessimism for Biden in the sense that almost everyone believes that he's mentally impaired or cognitively impaired in one way or another.
I mean, I'm not saying he's stupid, but he can't form a complete sentence at all.
You know, I do a lot of t-shirts and I'm not going to do this shirt because I don't want to get gunned down in the street, but I'll give this out to people who might want to design their own shirt.
What you do is you get your picture of a cartoon skunk and you Put that on your t-shirt and then on the caption is you put in there pretty big bold letters.
Come on, man!
I like that.
It would be a great shirt for anybody that wants it.
Come on, man.
Yeah, to vote for a skunk.
A total loser.
I have a colleague who believes, in fact, they're going to Pull an assassination on the Democratic side.
He was thinking they might take out Barack Obama to try to propel Michelle into the driver's seat.
I'm skeptical about that.
Michelle, of course, was born Michael LaVaughn Robinson, played football for Oregon State before transferring to Princeton and adopting the female persona and referring to herself as Michelle.
We have photographs, you know, I have a whole history of this.
I've done a lot of research, including photographs of a young Bill Gates with Barack and Michael, who has noticeably a lack of mammary glands.
We have other photographs where you see Michelle with a package that most women do not have.
Turns out that a physician who was responsible for her during the campaign,
I believe this was in 2000, 2012.
Yeah, walked into her in a trailer near Trenton taking a leak standing up,
and felt it was incumbent to inform the public that Michelle is not
a man who underwent a sex transformation, but rather Michelle is a man with breast implants
on a huge shaving bill.
And we have other photographs that confirm when she's no longer president, she let her beard grow.
I mean, the evidence is overwhelming.
I mean, there's much, much more than I'm articulating here.
But to me, to me, Cy, I find this disgusting, because I believe in truth in advertising, you know.
Now, if the American, if she were to run, and if the American people wanted to vote for a man with breast implants and a huge shaving bill, that's okay with me.
But they need to know what they're actually getting, who they're actually voting for.
And frankly, I find her and Brock simply disgusting because they played this
game falsifying who they really are, no doubt because there'd be so much less enthusiasm for
them as a couple or him as a candidate.
Well, do you remember the very first inaugural ball when Obama won his first term? And one of
the traditions, I guess, in the inaugural ball is for the president to dance with the first
lady, to have the first dance with the first lady. And that was prior to
to So, thank you.
At least me knowing anything about this suggestion that she may be a transgender.
But what I did find very odd was that as Barack was dancing with her, he kept saying over and over, Doesn't she look lovely?
Oh, this is so amazing, you know, and it struck me as being very odd.
It didn't seem like something that a husband would say about his wife in a large public forum like that at all.
In fact, most women, I think, would be kind of offended by it because He was really boasting of how a man could look this nice as a woman.
Well, the curious thing about it now, I've kind of looked into it myself, and again, because I'm kind of a YouTube junkie, You can just type in transgender on YouTube and there's all kinds of people that are going through transition and they, you know, post videos of themselves and how their progress is going and so on and so forth.
And one thing that came up is that apparently there's this huge transgender beauty pageant in Thailand.
It's huge, it's enormous, and it was a great participant, and they all look really good.
They all look like beautiful women.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You never know that these were actually men.
So the thing of it is, Regardless of whether someone accepts your thinking on this or not, it's certainly a real possibility for sure, because there's, you know, thousands of people undergoing gender change.
So, I don't know, you know, I saw, well, she gave an address at the Democratic Convention and You know, male or female, whatever she is, she looks female to me.
But the curious thing is that in the comment section on so many YouTube videos, it's going to come up time and time again, over and over again, that people talk about Big Mike and, you know, that That there's a very widespread belief at this point in time by a fairly significant amount of the public that, in fact, she or he is a person that seems to be in transition.
That's undeniable.
Whether it's true or not, I personally can't say, but I'm aware of the videos that you're talking about, and the pictures, I think I've seen the picture of Michael, what's the last, Laverne?
Yeah, Michael LaVaughn Robinson.
I've seen that picture.
And well, in the football uniform, I mean, I've got a whole lot.
I've got a couple dozen.
Well, the other thing that's really curious are the two alleged daughters that so much resemble the birth parents.
Yes, yes, but they're not named Michelle and Barack!
I have to say that that is entirely extraordinary how the one girl looks so much like the father and the other one looks so much like the mother.
Yes.
And neither one.
There's also been people where they, you know, they have these morphing programs and they take and they Try to morph, well this is more, I'm switching the subjects now.
That's fine.
They're actually morphing.
Brock and his Kenyan father, and it doesn't work.
You can't morph a so-called baby Brock to his Kenyan father, but you can morph him perfectly to Frank Marshall Davis.
So it kind of goes along with these two daughters, alleged daughters, that my belief is a biological father of Of the guy that goes by the name Barack Obama, like I go by the name Cyberclops.
You know, it's about the same thing.
Anyway, I think Frank Marshall Davis is without question his biological father, and I think the Kenyan father is a stepfather.
There's just very little doubt in my mind about that.
Well, I have a birth certificate from Kenya with this little footprint that looks to me to be authentic.
They created an additional, a second Kenyan birth certificate that's clearly a fake.
It has a signature of officials who weren't in office at the date of the birth.
And you know, in Kenya, they have a monument to the first Kenyan president of the United States, not knowing there cannot be a Kenyan president of the United States.
Well, he has several, at least two brothers that I know of, one of which is Malik Obama.
And again, it used to be, I don't know if it's been censored now or not, but Malik had quite a few videos on YouTube and Malik would like to have a DNA test.
Now Malik is clearly the son of the Kenyan goat farmer, sheep herder, or whatever the guy was.
And Malik does not believe that he's related to Barack.
He does not believe he's related to Barack?
No, that's why he wants Barack to take a DNA test to prove that there's some relationship between the two of them even though they're allegedly would be half brothers.
But Malik, the alleged half-brother of Barack, does not believe that he's biologically related to Barack.
So that's just more of the story.
That's fascinating, Cy.
I really like that.
Tell me more.
Give me more of your thoughts about what's going on today.
What has become of the Democratic Party?
I don't know, but I'm a member of the walk-away movement.
Now, the problem in voting for Trump is that people accuse me of being a Republican.
I actually don't like the Republicans at all because of 9-11.
And Dick Cheney, in my mind, is the mastermind of the destruction of the Twin Towers, so I'm no fan of Republicans at all.
I made at least a couple really good t-shirts on it that go into Republican demolition, and I know that I don't really feel that you're a Republican either.
But the Democrat Party has forced us to move away.
I mean, it's the most insane thing I've encountered perhaps in my entire lifetime.
I mean, it's extraordinary and how Joe Biden became the nominee.
The shocking thing to me is that every prominent Democrat has endorsed Joe Biden.
Now what's, I mean, that just seems incredible.
I mean, you talk about the emperor having no clothes.
I mean, how can it be that they endorse a white old man that clearly is Yeah, it's pretty fascinating, isn't it?
Yes, I regard myself as a JFK, FDR Democrat, see, but the Democratic Party has gone totally left and become a Marxist Socialist Party.
Well, the Republican, you see, has really gravitated into a populist party.
It's not the party of George Bush and Dick Cheney.
They were miscreants in the extreme.
You're correct, Dick Cheney was the executive director of 9-11.
Right here in the USA, where 9-11 was brought to us compliments of the CIA, the neocons, and the Department of Defense, the overwhelming majority of whom were dual U.S.-Israeli citizens and the Mossad, it appears to have originated in the fertile imagination of Bibi Netanyahu in the 1980s.
Where he wanted to devise a plan to draw American military forces into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran.
And look how he succeeded like a champ, Cy, with the exception of the intervention of Russia and Iran on behalf of the Syrian government, where most Americans today still don't realize that Bashar al-Assad is a democratically elected president of Syria.
Yeah, well, You know, Syria is a very interesting case.
They really used those, if you remember, or if people remember, they were using those beheading videos as impetus for the United States to go to invade Syria or to take out Bashar al-Assad.
And those, not many people have really watched Or ever seen those beheading videos.
Basically the mainstream media, you know how they would present it.
They say, well, we have this beheading video, but it's so horrifying that we can't possibly show it to you.
So you just have to take our word for it that it's horrific.
Well, I forgot the guy's name.
Was that Johnny G. Hod or is that somebody else?
But the beheading guy basically had a letter opener.
That's about what he had as a standard letter opener.
And going back again some years ago, originally, I guess, Desert Storm, the first Iraq invasion, there were actually beheading videos where they were beheading people in the streets in Iraq.
And those videos, I don't mean to be too graphic, but you can Clearly see the person's head being cut off and blood shooting out all over the place and it's, you know, running down the gutter and it's horrible.
Those orange jumpsuit videos that were created for the Syrian effort were clearly fake.
But again, you can't convince anybody of this at all.
And in fact, you know, for someone talking like the way I'm talking and probably the reason I'm wearing this mask is, you know, I get ostracized all the time for being a... Oh, I've even got images of the, you know, from the set where they're filming the beheading video and you can see all the lights and all the props and all that surrounding.
Yeah, I've seen that particular picture and also, of course, there was the Turkish cereal It's a television series that has the exact same set.
So they recycled the set from some, you know, they repurposed it.
But you probably heard about it because you're very well informed, but recently some member of the White Helmets confessed that they staged all the Yes, gas attacks and other phony stuff that was going on.
In that sense, you see, Trump has really been quite a good president, and I think he would have been a lot better if the Democrats weren't sabotaging him.
Yes, 100% correct, Cy.
I couldn't agree more.
And it boils down to what I realized because I voted for Nader in 2000 and that was a huge flop because I was hoping at the time that Nader would get enough.
I think it was something like if you got 5% or something that you would get help in the next campaign or be considered an official party or something like that.
I don't know what it was, but Nader didn't pull any votes to speak of in 2000.
And of course, because again, because I voted for Nader in 2009, I was accused of electing George Bush, even though... How ridiculous!
The Supreme Court appointed him.
You know, that was another weird one, to tell you the truth.
Oh, you know, and this brings up today, Dan Bongino was just saying today that he has information that these people that were We're actually flown in from Portland.
Now, what I didn't know at the time, if you remember in 2000 in the Hanging Chess, when they were trying to recount the votes, That there were all those people banging on the glass demanding justice.
Well, it turns out those were all Republican.
Those were Republican attorneys for the most part.
It was obscene.
It was obscene.
They were the staff of the various senators and Republican representatives.
So the Republicans have actually done all of the things that the Democrats are doing now.
Oh, the Republicans haven't promoted looting and rioting and arson.
That's not correct.
Well, now, that's true, of course.
I mean, 9-11, yeah, I mean, it was a Republican administration.
They were disgraceful.
But Donald Trump has transformed the Republican Party.
I mean, it's no longer The traditional old-fashioned Republican Party.
It's certainly not the party of George Bush and Dick Cheney.
This is a Donald Trump's party, and it's a hell of a lot better in my opinion.
Exactly.
Trump is Trump.
I mean, like him or not, he's who he is, and he has transformed the Republican Party.
Believe me, I would happily vote for some Democrat that was genuinely better than Trump, but I keep thinking about Kamala Harris, and when you look at this election, you really have to don't think so much about Biden, but think about President Kamala.
And President Kamala, to me, is a very horrifying thought.
I mean, she is the farthest thing from being capable or presidential or making any kind of proper decision on anything from my perspective.
So that's what I got to say about that, that Biden is just sort of a A piece on the Monopoly board.
A placeholder.
Yeah.
A cipher.
Exactly.
Yeah, it's all really shocking.
Really shocking, Si.
Tell me about your thoughts about the two conventions.
I thought they were strikingly different, and the contrast was overwhelmingly favorable to the Republicans, using now the term for the today party of Donald Trump rather than the party of George Bush and Dick Cheney.
Well, I didn't watch the Democrat convention at all.
I have zero interest in the Democrats.
I mean, I can't tell you how Little I care about anything that they do.
But I did watch a significant amount of the Republican Convention, and I thought... I've been into music production in the past, and I kind of like to look at a lot of events about how it's produced, and it was so seamless in how they organized the various speakers.
For example, Hershel Walker was particularly magnificent, in my opinion.
Yeah, it was wonderful.
But there were many others.
They say the Cuban guy, who I didn't have to see, but they said that was perhaps the most moving of all.
I thought the black gal who's running for Congress from Baltimore has just sent sleep.
Oh yeah, she's great.
She's fantastic.
Now, that was something that I wanted to Ask you about, because one of my most favorite guys on YouTube is a guy named, I don't know if you've ever seen his videos, his name is Anthony Brian Logan.
Do you know him at all?
Doesn't ring a bell, but maybe if you tell me more.
He goes by sort of the handle ABL on his YouTube channel, or Anthony Brian Logan, but I like his videos because They're concise.
He limits them to about 10 minutes and I think many of these videos, you know, if something goes on a half hour, hour, two hours, like these guys get on there with their live stream and then they get their donations and all that.
It's just, I can't, I can't listen to that stuff but Anthony Bryan Logan's videos are very short and concise.
He is a black guy.
He's a black conservative.
He was, I don't know what they call that group that Trump invites to the White House.
I think he does it every year.
There's a group of, a large group of black people that are invited to the Black leadership, I guess you might say.
The Black Caucus?
The Black Congress?
No, it's not the Black Caucus, because that's a kind of a congressional thing.
These are people that are prominent conservative blacks that Trump just invites to the White House, and they love it.
I mean, and Anthony Brian Logan has gone to that, And the other thing I like about Anthony Brian Logan is that he's very clear in his presentation arguments.
He's a very listenable sort of plain speaking guy.
And another person, another black person like that is Patricia Dixon.
Are you familiar with her?
I'm not.
She's retired Air Force and these are people that you should really know because she's a very, very well, again, very well spoken, concise speaker that really tells it like it is.
And then how about the Hodge twins?
Do you know those guys?
The Hodge twins?
They're conservative.
They're conservative twins.
They're two black twins.
They're not... I know Diamond and Silk.
Okay, well, Diamond and Silk, they're sisters, I believe.
And they're very good, too.
I like Diamond and Silk.
The Hodge twins are excellent.
And again, they present the conservative viewpoint.
Well, the point that I'm trying to get around to is that I think that the Democrat Party is really losing a very significant amount of black voters at this point in time.
I think as many, 40% or more, I believe, are going to support Trump.
I think it could be.
It could even start... I think once the tipping point is reached, I mean, once the teeter-totter flips, it may be 90% of the blacks voting for Trump.
That's good.
I like that.
I mean, I don't know that, but certainly these people, what I want to bring up and kind of ask you is, I'm thinking that what I'm referring to is these, and it's probably, and I don't mean to be pejorative, but you know, the good blacks that are very clear thinking and they're non-racist Oh, blacks for sure.
You know, Cy, most blacks, middle-class blacks, are very conventional.
They have normal American values, very like those in South Pasadena when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s.
They believe in family, they believe in law and order, they believe in normal relations with other races.
They're religious.
They're religious!
Absolutely.
Now, I'm thinking Those are going to be the people that really end up putting, that's going to be the demographic that puts Trump over the top for sure.
I mean they're not white women who I think I would agree that They don't like Trump, although there are some that do, but I do think there's a lot that don't.
I don't even think they know exactly why.
They've been played by Democratic propaganda for so long, they no longer can think straight.
Well, that's for sure.
One of the things that I found shocking, and I don't want to come across as being Too bigoted, but it's come to my attention that many, many Democrats are very, very uninformed because the mainstream media is so propagandistic.
And you sent out that thing on public radio today, Yes, yes, yes, where they had this lunatic arguing about looting being good for America.
Well, I mean, that's very typical of NPR these days.
Actually, NPR has gone off the rails probably several years ago, really.
Every news story that they have contains anti-Trump propaganda in it.
They're quite good at it in the sense that they're able to disguise it as if it were part of the news story, but it's just... Let me give you an example from NBC tonight.
They were talking about Trump's observation that the 10 most violent cities are all controlled by Democrats.
There's no question about it.
I've got like seven graphs that substantiate So what did they say?
They said, well, if you look at Miami or St.
Louis or whatever, the crime rate has gone up by a certain percentage.
And they're talking about this year, since the riots and looting and the breakdown of law and order took place, they're not talking about what Trump was talking about.
It was just unbelievable deception of the American public.
It was outrageous.
Well, believe me, that's every hour on the hour.
Yes.
Every hour on the hour.
It's it's it's it's I have to turn the radio off so many times.
Another thing that I'd kind of like to bring up that I that I see as being very ominous Is that you had the American Frontline Doctors, I think they call themselves, who are promoting hydroxychloroquine as a good, I guess they call it a therapeutic for... It's a wonder drug.
It'll not only cure it if you have it, but it'll prevent it if you don't.
Yeah.
Now, the thing of it is, I pretty much know how hydroxychloroquine works.
I don't know how it works as a preventative, but But if you take it early, very early on, when you first feel that you've got something, you know, the real Kung Flu, it will abate what they call the cytokine storm, which is the inflammation of the lungs, which prevents you from being able to breathe.
And that's why people feel the immediate Relief, really in a very short time, as long as they take it early enough.
But if you wait, like I think the testing takes several days actually, and if you're really trying to confirm that you actually have the Kung Flu, and my understanding now, more recently, the test isn't reliable anyway.
But if you take it in the late stages of the common flu, a hydroxychloroquine won't do anything for you because it's too late.
Well, I don't know.
There were early studies about patients who were in an advanced state and a New York physician gave them hydroxy and they recovered.
I mean, there were lots of this, very large numbers of patients in France and in New York from multiple physicians.
And of course there was a classic article published in the journal Virology of the National Institute of Health in 2005 just praising the virtues of hydroxychloroquine and its milder derivative hydroxychloroquine and dealing with coronavirus and the SARS-CoV-1 and now what they're calling now is the SARS-CoV-2.
I mean it's a wonder drug for a corona.
So Fauci has known since 2005 that Hydroxychloroquine is the perfect treatment and he's concealed it, meaning nobody at all had to die.
I mean, this is just disgusting beyond belief.
I'm definitely aware of a study where they looked at what patients were given.
These are hospitalized patients.
And for sure, hydroxychloroquine would have reduced the death rate by 50%.
Oh, much more, but yes.
Probably more if you're talking about the prophylactic use of it.
Probably wouldn't even hardly have anybody... I think these people need to be arrested, prosecuted, given a fair trial, then taken out and shot.
I mean, this Anthony, Tony the Rat, I refer to him, has done more damage to the United States than any other figure in history, any other figure in history, this man alone.
You're talking about Fauci?
Yeah, Tony the Rat.
Being drawn and quartered would be too kind for him.
Well, I'm very concerned about Bill Gates, who does not even have a college degree in anything.
Yeah, he's not a doctor, he's not a virologist, he's not an epidemiologist, he has no MD, he's no scientist, he's a computer geek!
Well, he's not even that!
They bought it.
They bought DOS.
He bought it for 500 bucks.
His father or mother was on the board of IBM or something like that, and they talked him into using the DOS operating system.
Trust me, Gates knows nothing about computers, actually, and the Windows is living proof of it.
And you know, of course, he won't allow his children to be vaccinated.
I hadn't heard that.
And his wife, Melinda, appears to be another man.
I'm surprised that Bill can sire children.
You know, the big Mike, little Mike, was from a photograph of Michelle
sitting next to Bloomberg, Michael Bloomberg.
And Michael Bloomberg looks so diminutive next to Michelle with her broad shoulders and her football player physique.
I mean, that's where the Big Mike, Little Mike came from.
Oh, brother.
Well, anyway, getting back to the frontline doctors, they immediately removed not only their videos off of YouTube, but they destroyed their website, too, which is really wild.
They destroyed their website too, which is really wild.
I think, I mean...
Which website are you talking about?
The frontline doctors are the ones that came out and advocated much wider...
Oh yeah, the ones who were at the Supreme Court building?
Yeah, well they had a website, you know, that was up for a few hours and that was completely removed.
I was actually visiting it at the time and I downloaded two PDFs that they had, large PDF files.
And I was going back to their website and it was gone.
I got a message something to the effect that this site no longer exists.
It was completely shocking.
Now at that point I felt That Biden is going to be the president no matter how anybody votes.
No matter how people vote, it's going to come out that Biden is the president.
And I even have a bet with a couple guys that if Trump wins, I will pay each of them five bucks, and they don't have to do anything.
They're not involved.
I'm so confident that the election is rigged on behalf of Biden.
They're trying to rig it, but I think Trump's on the case.
I think he knows what they're trying to do.
It's mail-in ballots they're trying to do.
They're trying to flood it with mail-in ballots.
In Iowa, they had a staggering number, like 46,000 mail-in ballots that were already made out with a voter's name, ID number, and address and so forth.
So anyone could sign them and they'd come in and they'd look legit.
And they said this was as a convenience to the voter, but the judge overrode them and rejected.
They were trying to set an example to be done all over the country.
To steal the election.
The alternative is they're going to try to flood so it's dragged out so that by January 20th, the date of inauguration, it's unresolved, in which case, according to the Constitution, the Speaker of the House becomes President.
Pro tem.
Well, that's the second person who can't complete two sentences.
Nancy Pelosi, yeah.
Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are not too different.
Well, well, except Nancy appears to have Kuru from her cannibalism of eating little children.
She appears to be involved in Pizzagate along with Hillary.
I mean, it's just disgusting, the history here.
I've done a show on Jim the Conspiracy Guy about Pizzagate that everyone needs to watch, but you gotta have a strong stomach.
It's not for children.
Well, that kind of brings up, then, All of a sudden, the mainstream media is very concerned about QAnon.
Now, if you remember, some, I don't know how many years ago, you were doing a YouTube show with a gal that was very wrapped up in... Louisa, it's called the Goldfish Report.
I'm still doing it, Cy.
Is she still spending a half hour telling you about QAnon?
Well, not as much time, no.
I mean, but it comes up intermittently.
Well, at that particular time, I wasn't interested in QAnon at all, really.
Not because it was far-fetched.
In the early stages of QAnon, it was kind of all-encompassing and kind of like the Arantia book or something like that.
And you could read anything into it that you wanted to, but somebody asked me, they said they had not heard of QAnon, and so I started looking into it, and I subscribed to a audio cast.
I don't like to use the term podcast, because it's an Apple thing, and audio cast is more generic.
But an audio cast of guys, it's not QAnon, whoever QAnon might be, but it's some people that are familiar with what QAnon does post and they comment about it and they have brought up this
piece of gate stuff and apparently that is the thing that's that what's got the the mainstream media and it's hizzy
about QAnon is that I believe that QAnon has been making some statements about
child trafficking and so on. Yes, yes, yes, yes. They actually had an
operation in New York City that appears to have been involved in saving
children who are in underground tunnels.
They had another operation going on out in LA.
Intermittently, we're getting reports.
I believe that actions are being taken against the pedophile network.
There was a news report this week that federal agents are arresting a large group of child traffickers in the Atlanta, Georgia area.
Yes, yes, yes.
So, again, you have the mainstream media ridiculing QAnon saying that it's complete.
They describe QAnon as a conspiracy theory.
I don't think QAnon even qualifies as a conspiracy theory.
QAnon isn't even a theory, so how silly to say that.
QAnon is a source.
A theory would have to be something he espoused that was implying the existence of a conspiracy that could then be assessed.
Well, do you have any thoughts of who QAnon might be?
Oh, for a while I thought it might be Steve Pachenik.
Okay!
That's what I think!
I think it's highly likely that Steve Puccini could not necessarily be QAnon, but be a part of it, because he's associated with a group of writers that would definitely have the capability and the imagination to, again, I have never read a single QAnon post, so I don't really know, but I do know that they're somewhat cryptic.
Oh yeah.
They're not quite shorthand, but they're more phrases than sentences.
Yeah, that you have to be pretty smart and well-informed to interpret QAnon in the first place or you're not going to get anywhere.
And so it does come to mind that Steve Pichenik certainly could be, has the capability Because he was connected with the intelligence groups in his service.
I mean, he's got an amazing background.
Yeah, he's an impressive guy.
I have had a very favorable attitude toward him.
Yeah, I know.
I remember years ago that I asked you about him and you said, well, his word is good as gold.
And it does seem to be.
I mean, He's a very strong Trump supporter at this point in time, too.
Indeed.
So that's interesting.
So I don't know where else you want to go.
Well, Cy, we can have an You know, an hour conversation, we're approaching an hour now, and that's just fine.
That's not problematic.
I'll see if there are any questions in the chat room that would like to be addressed.
Any questions, let me ask.
One comment is that QAnon reminds Tazzy Toe's Too Much of V for Vendetta too Hollywood-ish
for her to be true.
So I don't know.
I just take Q with a dose of salt and say, you know, it's a pretty optimistic, optimistic characterization.
Okay, well let me ask you a couple things.
Have you had any contact with Judy Varey Baker in recent times at all?
Well, Judith and I had an odd falling out.
Some years ago we had her on the New JFK Show and I explained to her that the only area where I had a substantial disagree with her was about Oswald having gone to Mexico, I did not believe he had ever gone to Mexico.
She seemed very distraught about it.
With the release of more documents now, Larry Rivera has done a very thorough study.
And what does he say about him going to Mexico?
The whole Mexican thing was absolutely fabricated, and among the CIA assets in Mexico were three successive presidents of Mexico.
Now we have a comment from the chat room.
I wouldn't be as happy about Pchenik, and she's right.
He said something about the Constitution being insignificant, that he's not big on the Constitution.
I find that very damn peculiar.
Very damn peculiar.
Well, a lot of this stuff, again, I don't follow Steve regularly and I'm completely unaware that he said something like that.
I'll tell you what I found peculiar was that he came out right after Hillary lost and said that A group of intelligence people made sure that Hillary wouldn't win the election, and I thought that was a pretty weird thing to be claiming, frankly.
Yeah, doesn't sound very democratic, does it?
No, it doesn't.
No, it's very strange.
I thank God, however, that Donald Trump is president and not Hillary Clinton.
The enormity of that difference, I mean, it's...
It causes me a shudder to even think of that woman becoming president.
Well, if you've seen Hillary recently, age is certainly not very kind for her at all.
You know, her face is, at least to my perception, very puffy.
She's had plastic surgery of late.
You know, I did a thing where she's used like eight different body doubles in the past, even during her debates with Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
That was a body double with a voice box that gave her exactly Hillary Clinton's voice, but it wasn't her body.
Well, you know, once the body double that I'm most familiar with is the one that came out After they loaded her in the Scooby.
Yeah, after it collapsed from the 9-11 Memorial.
I call her the Meg Ryan double.
Okay, well that woman was also in India when Hillary fell down the stairs.
And once you recognize that woman, she's very recognizable actually.
I mean you can tell her From Hillary quite easily.
Yes, yes, yes.
So she's definitely a very regular companion of Hillary.
And the body double thing is not too surprising, really.
They may all have them.
There's even theories, you know, that there's a second Barack.
You've heard that there's two Melanias, I suppose.
But did you hear me say that even during the nationally televised debates with Bernie Sanders and with Donald Trump, it was a body double and not Hillary?
I did hear you say that, and I'm familiar with, there's been those videos where they can have a person in a remote location operating the face of the person that's on the screen.
And I do know that In most of the mainstream media, for example, they have technology that softens a person's features so that, in Hillary's case, she looks better than she actually does.
Oh, the body double looked much better than Hillary.
She was younger, thinner, far more alert, and, I dare say, more intelligent, or appeared to be.
But I'm telling you, I've documented like eight different body doubles.
You want to check out, go to issues of identity, fake news, issues of identity at 153news.net and you'll see where I go through.
Lee Oswald and Paul Fall, because Paul McCartney actually died in 1966 and was replaced by an even better musician.
Right.
Hillary.
I think that's a sure, I definitely believe that.
Everything points to that being absolutely factual.
Also, I mean, when we're talking about body doubles, you've got that little boy that grew up to be an older teenager in Sandy Hook.
I don't want to really say who that was, but I think you know who I'm talking about.
Well, of course, I was sued over my work on Sandy Hook, you know.
Well, I know, and that's why I don't want to... Yeah.
Get into it too much.
Well, I wasn't sued over that.
I mean, I made the point many times that they fake the kids by using photographs of older kids when they were children.
I mean, Mona Lexis Presley has done a lot of brilliant work on this, even has concluded that some of the parents use photographs of themselves when they were children.
I mean, the degree of cynicism involved here.
Well, that school choir Certainly, I had a... You're talking about at the Super Bowl?
Yeah, I had an outstanding children's show choir that actually appeared on television Uh, seven times in five years, and that's pretty hard to do.
Uh, and, uh, I can tell you for sure that that so-called choir that, uh, uh, appeared at the Super Bowl was a completely rag muffin group that, uh, uh, barely could sing any kind of song.
I mean, I agree.
And some, some of the alleged, some of the alleged victims were among its members.
I know, I know that.
But I'm telling you that not only were they fake, the very fact that they even claimed to be a choir was a fake.
That is not a legitimate children's choir.
It's not anything that warns of being at the Super Bowl.
Oh, it was obviously just a stage PR event to reinforce Sandy Hook's tragedy.
T-shirts on some older kids and claimed it's a choir.
Yeah, it's outrageous.
And Barack Obama brought us, he unleashed the floodgate of all these fake events by nullifying the Smith-Munn Act of 1948, which precluded the use of the same techniques of propaganda and disinformation within the United States that were being used without by the Smith-Munn Modernization Act of 2012.
Well, that's a huge problem.
What do you know about this coin shortage that we are experiencing now?
I think it's a ruse and the idea is they're trying to get money out of circulation so they can go all digital and then they're going to put all the money on a chip and they're going to chip you and then if you don't behave the way they want they'll just cut you off and you won't even be able to eat.
Well, you know, that is a very serious concern, actually, because they go beyond deplatforming people.
There's certain people, like, I don't know, have you ever listened to Red Ice Radio at all?
Yeah, yeah, I was on Red Ice.
Very, very good.
Heinrich is wonderful.
Okay, well, boy, they've come down on him.
Yeah, too much truth!
Too much truth!
They've shut down their personal bank accounts, and not only can they not accept donations for their program or subscriptions, they can't even write a check on their own personal bank accounts.
It's awful.
I don't see where the guy is very extreme at all.
I really don't.
I mean, his premise is that White people deserve a fair shake.
That's about all of these saying, and I guess that's enough to get you removed from the planet.
We have a commentator in the chat room is suggesting that they were doing false flags anyway, and I'm replying not on the same scale.
I mean, Yes, they covered up.
For example, I mean, Lee Oswald was a patsy.
There were actually eight different shooters.
I mean, I've done a huge amount on this.
9-11 obviously wasn't brought to us by 19 Islamic terrorists.
Paul Wellstone actually didn't have an accidental plane crash.
He was shot down by a directed energy weapon.
Very sophisticated operation.
That was just 60 miles north of my office on the Duluth campus of the University of Minnesota.
But Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, Las Vegas.
These were all Barack Obama-sponsored operations.
It's just disgusting.
That's what I wanted to ask you about.
I believe that there was a father At the Republican convention that said that his daughter was killed at Parkland.
Yeah, that was very unfortunate.
Nobody died at Parkland.
I do know that the David Hogg himself, that his particular story, stories, he's got several, don't really jibe with one another.
Yeah, he appears to have graduated from Laguna Shoals High School in California.
I find that to be quite likely.
That wouldn't be very hard to do at all, you know, with the kids coming and going in these high schools.
He's got a youthful appearance.
If you check out my Sandy Hook update, Tracy loses, Wolfgang wins, the Deep State strikes back on Bitshoot, or Even you'll find it in my How to Spot a False Flag, which I have updated in two parts right on Jim the Conspiracy Guy.
One of the slides I use is where David Hogg is standing to, I believe her name is Kelsey Friend, and Kelsey's saying, it was like a movie.
It looks so real, but it felt so fake.
And that's exactly what.
They actually closed the school at Parkland at 1 p.m.
The 3,500 students went home.
It was Valentine's Day.
Even David Hogg in a careless moment after the March for Our Lives on CBS said, He was at home when he realized something was going on at the school and had to get on his bike to ride back.
He forgot this is when they were going to stage the fake shooting.
Well, that's one of his stories.
Yeah?
Go on!
Go on!
I'm not the only one.
I can't recount them all now, but that's just one of the stories, because there's other stories that he was there, and so on and so forth.
To be honest with you, Jim, I mean, you're one of the few people that Really is on top of all of this stuff.
I mean, it just becomes, even if you're into it, it becomes overwhelming trying to keep up with it all.
I was going to bring up Charlottesville.
That's another thing that the mainstream media keeps harping on constantly, that Trump had said the wrong thing about the protesters.
I have it on very good authority.
Another show that I listen to It's called the Boiler Room and it's associated with Patrick Henningsen's Sunday Wire and there was a guy on the Boiler Room who went down to Charlottesville
And if you heard his story, the whole thing was very contrived.
And then of course, you pointed out that the car crash, you can see that it's entirely staged.
I mean, there's no question about it.
They put a little car Behind a bigger car that, again, slammed into a larger car.
So the idea, in my mind, was the little car was supposed to be the one that gets crunched up and takes the shock so nobody gets hurt.
Yeah, they had two cars, two drivers, two or even three tanks.
The whole thing was totally staged.
The governor, Jerry McAuliffe, is a buddy of Hillary.
He had the mayor have the Charlottesville Police stand down so he could use the state police to channel the peaceful protesters into a violent confrontation with Antifa and Black Lives Matter, who had been bused in, even on the same bus, by George Soros.
That's exactly right.
Yeah.
That's exactly right.
And I sent you a picture I had a very large picture.
That van was in the picture that I have was pushed out into the center of the intersection.
And they had a 4x4 behind either the front wheels and I think the 4x4 was in maybe in front of the rear wheels and then they had a 2x4 behind the front wheels so that the car couldn't roll either direction.
Now I mean, I've seen a lot of accidents around the city, you know, since the time I was, you know, a small boy.
And nowhere have I ever seen him come out with four by fours and put them under the wheels of the vehicle to keep it from rolling around.
I mean, nobody's carrying lumber around of that size.
No, it was ridiculous.
And of course, there were no drivers.
They just parked them there.
So no one would get whiplash or whatever from the collision.
And the driver was clearly not the James Field who was prosecuted and found guilty.
It was this 32-year-old military veteran who commands a battalion of reservists in Ohio.
I mean the photographs, it's unmistakable who the driver was.
I sent all this to 80 members of the history department at the University of Virginia where I taught twice in the expectation they might care about what actually was happening in Charlottesville and they did not give a damn.
Well, it's because they want to keep their job.
We also wrote to the president, the provost, the vice president, and a couple members of the city council.
They don't want to end up like the frontline doctors.
You know that one doctor, I don't really know her name.
Her last name might have been Gold.
But after she came out and speaking on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, she was fired from whatever hospital that she worked at and lost her hospital privileges and all that.
So the consequences for speaking up on this stuff if you're in the so-called mainstream normal employment is you can't risk it.
So that's really why people, the only people that can really talk about this stuff are people that are kind of retired and they're fairly secure that they're not going to lose their job and so on.
Well, I've got a good friend who knows the University of Minnesota system well, who feels that I just somehow slipped through the cracks.
But, you know, I mean, there was an associate dean in the graduate school who liked the research I was doing on JFK.
The University of Minnesota actually sponsored two conferences.
One in 1999 in Minneapolis on the death of JFK.
That was the basis for my second book, Murder in Dealey Plaza, published in 2000.
And then a second conference on the Zapruder film held on the Duluth campus in 2003.
That was the basis for my third book on JFK, The Great Zapruder Film Hoax.
Those were both sponsored by the University of Minnesota.
But he said, today I would never be able to get away with research like that.
I founded Scholars for a 9-11 Truth in December 2005 and was retiring in June of 2006.
So just six months later, I have no idea how much they would have gone out of their way to discover that I was challenging the official account of 9-11.
How long did it take you to Come to realization that 9-11 was a staged event.
It did take me about five years.
We had a phone call from a daughter living in Bradenton, Florida that said, turn on the TV.
I was just lying in bed drinking a cup of coffee and reading the newspaper.
So we turned on the TV and the North Tower was smoking.
And shortly thereafter, there was whatever with the South Tower.
I don't recall having seen what was supposed to be a plane, but when we were told they collapsed, I said to myself, and I remember this with crystal clarity, that's physically impossible, but I'll never be in the position to do anything about it.
So it's quite ironic that a couple of years later I'd actually be in the position to do something about it by founding Scholars for 9-11 Truth.
And now I've, you know, published a couple of books on 9-11 and given lots.
I've been flown all over the world about 9-11.
Well, when I saw it that morning, I was kind of screaming at my TV because in the early coverage they were wondering they were saying that a small plane had flown into the first right and
They were, the mainstream media people were asking the question, how could somebody accidentally fly a plane into one of the towers?
And I knew at that point that that's no accident.
Right.
That I knew.
But then when it, I was very shocked when the tower fell, particularly the way that it fell.
It did not actually fall.
It was blown apart in every direction from the top down.
Exactly, but I didn't know that at the time.
My conjecture was that there was surely going to be an investigation into this because buildings just don't fall down like that.
Every high rise in the United States is very dangerous.
Right, right, right.
If that were bona fide, if that had really happened, it would violate all the safety codes for every major building in the United States.
They'd all have to be overhauled and of course none of that happened because it did not really happen.
Well, one of the things that came out later was that there was never any modification of the building codes in New York City As a consequence of 9-11.
Yeah, exactly.
My thinking at the time was that it must be bad Chinese bolts.
I really thought that.
I mean, I sincerely thought that... That was a very sophisticated demo job.
They appear to have used the Ace Elevator renovation as a cover.
There was an Israeli outfit called...
The gelatin group in both buildings, they were conducting external performance art.
They were in the position to participate in setting explosives to blow out the cookie cutter cutout, because they weren't actually hit by real planes.
You had the illusion of planes hitting them, but those were not real planes.
Particularly the first, there was that one guy, I think you did have him on his program, it was Yankee something or other.
And he had done quite a bit of research on that first hole in the first tower and those metal He pretty much confirmed, I mean to my satisfaction, that some of those were unbolted at the seams and some of that metal was bent outward, not inward.
So there were some explosive charges set inside the building that created the illusion.
We have a question from the chat room asking if you'd elaborate on who was responsible and why.
Who are they asking, me or you?
Yeah, you, you, you.
They know me and they know my opinion.
Well, I think it's pretty clear that they were having trouble renting the building.
It was becoming a big white elephant.
I believe it was, I don't know much about New York City, but the Port Authority or something owned the buildings and they transferred it in private
hands for the first time just six weeks before 9-11. Yeah, they were having trouble
leasing it and so it just and then there was an asbestos issue
on the upper store or stories that couldn't be easily corrected and
would make any kind of conventional demolition difficult. So actually illegal.
Yeah, so the as to who exactly was behind it, I mean I'm of the belief, I don't
know for sure, but if you look at Dick Cheney He certainly is a prime suspect without a doubt.
Well, as I've said, he was the executive director on the ground, but actually it was an Israeli thing to get the U.S.
drawn into the Middle East.
I mean, look at the sequence of events.
Yeah, maybe you could elaborate.
You know, we know a lot about Building 7, at least those in the know.
That's one way to check somebody out, is to ask them to tell you what they know about Building 7, and mostly what you're going to encounter when you ask somebody that is they're going to say, what's that?
Never heard of it.
Well, even Dan Rather called that one as it was happening, that this looks just like the controlled demolitions we see of resorts and casinos in Las Vegas.
It was that classic controlled demolition, you know.
The thing about it, it's the best controlled demolition I've ever seen anywhere.
Yeah, perfect.
Came down perfectly symmetrically into its own footprint.
Very well done job.
But what I want to ask you about, really, That building that people don't talk about is Building 6, and that's the one, the 10-story one, that's closer to the Twin Towers.
It just ends up being a shell.
Yeah, it has this huge, massive inside.
Looks like that was actually blown from the bottom up.
Nobody seems to know when that actually occurred.
Well, there's an awful lot going on under the massive smoke generated.
I mean, you know, I've got these classic photographs of the destruction of the North Tower, for example.
No one could possibly mistake this for a collapse.
I mean, this is just a power of suggestion for them to talk about the destruction of these buildings as collapses, when they're blowing apart in every direction from the top down, being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.
And when it's over, There's no stack of debris whatsoever in their footprint.
Contrast building 7.
All the floors are coming down at the same time.
Perfectly symmetrical.
And when it's over, there's five and a half floors equal to 12% of the original 47 floors, which is our experience with controlled demolition.
Well, my conjecture is that actually Building 7 was supposed to come down approximately the same time as Building 6 and the Twin Towers, but something went wrong.
It was too robust.
It was extremely well designed.
Well, something happened there.
This is conjecture, I mean, on my part.
Yeah, I get it.
You're entitled to have an opinion.
Yeah, well I'm just letting people know that I'm not claiming that I have facts on this, but it does seem that if everything had gone as planned, that would have come down in the dust of the collapse of the Twin Towers.
Well, Barry Jennings from the New York Emergency Management Unit was there inside Building 7.
He went up to the command and control center.
Rudy Giuliani had established two floors with their own air and water supply.
He found half-eaten sandwiches, still steaming cups of coffee.
A fireman came along and said, we got to get you out of here.
Explosions were going off while he was there.
A stairwell was blown out from under him.
He felt himself at one point stepping over dead bodies.
He couldn't see them, but he could feel them.
When he got out, he was interviewed, and his story was really quite sensational because it blows apart the official version.
You know, in the 9-11 report, it doesn't even mention Building 7.
Well, I know.
I have a t-shirt.
That's based on the NIST report, and it shows they have these wireframe representations of the buildings.
You've probably seen it.
It shows that And in no way does it represent anything that actually happened.
It's so farcical.
It's completely ridiculous.
But again, the public—see, the problem that you have is the public at large knows nothing about any of this stuff.
And if you talk about it, you're considered to be a complete loon.
Well, you're supposed to be a conspiracy theorist, and we know what a bad person that is.
The fact is, my first scholarly article about conspiracy theories, thinking about conspiracy theories, 9-11 and JFK, where I used research on JFK to illustrate the principles of a scientific study of conspiracies, and where I explained Going through the article that I went through the then current issue of the New York Times, and every single page had stories you could not understand if you didn't realize they were conspiracies.
In fact, the paper begins, conspiracies are as American as apple pie.
Well, I would say, in defense of conspiracy theories, that what I just said a few minutes ago, that it's my conjecture that Building 7 was supposed to come down in proximity, in time, to the Twin Towers.
That is a conspiracy theory.
I don't have evidence of that.
Oh, you're saying that because that's a speculation, that you're calling that a conspiracy theory.
What I do, Cy, is to take conspiracy theories from the level of rumor, conjecture, or speculation to conspiracy theories in the sense of empirically testable explanatory hypotheses in the sense of Newton's theory of gravitation, Einstein's theory of relativity, or Darwin's theory of evolution.
So I take them from theories in the weak sense Well, the CIA gets all of its propagandistic push to theories in the strong sense of being testable.
And then I go about bringing in experts.
I mean, I've done this again and again and again to sort it out and figure out the difference between the true and the false.
And I've done for JFK, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Orlando, Dallas, Parkland, Charlottesville, even the moon landing.
Well, the moon landing is complete.
Actually, now that's an interesting one.
It happened that when I was at the university, they were bringing around the space capsule that I guess John Glenn had orbited the Earth a few times.
I think they sent a monkey up in it prior to him.
And it was on the back of a flatbed trailer, you know, semi pulling it.
And you could climb up the stairs there and kind of peer into it.
And of course, that was around the time of the 1955 Chevrolet and, you know, one of the glory days of Detroit.
And that space capsule looks so primitive by comparison.
I was just kind of Shocked but I always had the feeling that going to the moon just wasn't possible.
I mean it would be possible to get there but to get back No, you're right, you're right, you're right.
You couldn't have gotten back, well you couldn't get there in the first place.
We didn't have the propulsion sufficient to escape low Earth orbit.
We didn't have a computer that could navigate.
We didn't have the communication ability.
We couldn't transfer, transit the Van Allen radiation belts.
The list is fairly substantial.
I have a very nice piece about the moon landing hoax right on Jim the Conspiracy Guy.
It was the second show I did after coronavirus.
Yeah, well, again, all of these things, and this is where you're so expert, I feel, is that by virtue of your university background, teaching logic, logical thinking for so many years, that this stuff is Very clear to you, but if you just apply your mind to these astronauts being on the moon in this little capsule thing that's supposed to rendezvous with another
A lunar orbiter vehicle that's going around the moon at about 18,000 miles an hour, and so you're gonna have to launch that thing, you know, really, you don't have much choice when you push the button to get off of the moon's surface.
It's all absurd beyond belief, and remember, In the dark side or the light side of the moon, or even in the shade versus the light, there's like a 500 degree temperature difference.
You're going from 250 above to 250 below.
I believe because of cosmic rays, photographs on the moon would have been impossible.
We have lots of photographs showing rover tracks and moon prints.
Frankly, because the moon has no atmosphere, I think moon dust would be no more able to retain an imprint than the sands of the Sahara.
Yeah, well, again, you run into people that say, well, you know, if we went to the moon, we can do something else, you know?
They use that as a, I don't know how to describe it, but they use that as a basis for some other argument.
It's completely ridiculous.
It's just hilarious except for the fact that the Democrats are so, to get back to where we started, the Democrats are so out of control and it's so tragic.
Yet the public, such a large portion of the public is so naive.
Oh, I couldn't agree more.
Let me ask the chat room if anyone has questions for my guest tonight.
If anyone has questions now would be a good time to ask.
You can put them in caps or not.
I mean, I'll be able to catch them.
So if anyone has any questions now, I've been very glad to have you on, my friend, and this has been enjoyable.
I felt you have so many Well, I appreciate your confidence in my viewpoints.
We've had some disagreements certainly in the past.
But you know, I have to say, I don't know if somebody's going to come up with a question.
One of the things when I disagreed with you was when the The ships collided in the South China Sea and you were stating how ridiculous that was.
It's like a, I think you use the term like a fox, the Navy destroyer being equivalent of a fox running around an elephant being the container ship.
And I happened to have sailed to Tahiti twice on a 36-foot boat.
And I do know that stuff happens at sea.
In fact, in Hawaii, one of the things that happened is a submarine came up underneath a Japanese training ship and sunk it accidentally.
So, I disagreed with you about that, and you were saying, well, this had to be deliberate.
And sure enough, about within a month, another similar incident happened.
It was almost exactly the same.
I think it was a little bit different from the first one in that I think this time the destroyer was rammed from the side, if I remember correctly, in the second one.
And I said, man, that Fetzer guy, he really, you just can't argue with him because he gets it right.
And I do believe that about you, is that people can think that you're off your rocker, and then they go to find out six months down the line that, wow, he actually knew what he was talking about.
I like that.
That's very nice of you to make that observation.
I mean, I'm sort of like a litmus test, you know?
I mean, I think that's one of the reasons I'm making a difference.
But also, in addition to that, I know what I don't know, so that in studying these things I bring in experts who know things I don't, such as in doing research on JFK, a world authority on the human brain who is also an expert on wound ballistics, a Ph.D.
in physics who is also an M.D., board certified in radiation oncology, so he's an expert in the interpretation of x-rays.
One of the physicians who was in trauma one when JFK's moribund body was brought in, and then two days later the same guy, Charles Crenshaw, Yes, he was the first one to finger Lyndon Johnson.
Yeah, he was a wonderful guy.
He contributed an essay to my first collaborative research on JFK book, Assassination Science, which has probably been my single most successful book, shattering the cover-up, showing the autopsy x-rays had been altered, Someone else's brain was shown in the National Archives, not the brain of JFK, that there was evidence of a second shot to the head.
That has been my most successful book in the area of conspiracy research.
Yeah, well, Crenshaw's book, I happened to pick it up in the airport.
Conspiracy of Silence.
Was that the name of it?
Yeah.
And then the JAMA went after him.
Robert Lundberg.
That's what got me into the case in the first place.
Again, I was just lying in bed, drinking a cup of coffee while reading a paper, and my wife comes in, flips on the TV and says, you won't believe this.
And I saw this very distinguished looking guy standing behind a lectern with a logo of the American Medical Association and denouncing Everyone who'd ever done serious research on the assassination, claiming they just published interviews with the two pathologists, that it was all new, when in fact they'd said the same thing before, presented it as though it were science, when interviews with physicians isn't science.
And, you know, describing Oliver Stone's film as docu-fiction.
And it occurred to me then.
It was just like watching the destruction of the Twin Towers and realizing this was impossible.
That perhaps if someone of his level of distinction were to abuse his journal for political purposes, some of us with special backgrounds and ability ought to become involved.
Where I had a history of doing, you know, research and was an associate editor for 10 years of a famous journal on epistemology, methodology, and the philosophy of science.
I've been on many editorial boards.
What he was doing was totally improper, a complete abuse of the journal.
And that really got me going.
In fact, I started looking at what was being published in JAM and I found a letter complaining about these abuses.
By a fellow named David W. Mantic, who is making similar complaints, and I reached out to David and suggest we collaborate on a long article or a book with which he agreed.
David is today the leading medical expert in the assassination of JFK in the world.
Well, you know, I should bring up before we close out that my father actually test-fired the rifle that Oswald was alleged to have used.
He test-fired a Mannlicher Carcano?
Yeah, and that's confirmed actually by my father's story, by Len Osanic, who you know, who had the Black Ops radio show.
I used to, I co-hosted it with him for about five years.
Yeah, that was a terrific show.
And he had a convention in Hawaii about, I think, about every two years.
And there's one video, I unfortunately lost it, but it's Len Osanic with an FBI agent who was also with my father when they test fired that rifle.
And basically, in that interview that took place in Hawaii, that FBI agent is confirming what my father said.
He doesn't mention my father by name, but I know that he's talking about
Bye.
My father, because the FBI agent says, well, I was with this special agent from the Western States who was supposed to be an outstanding marksman, and I outshot him that day.
And it happened that my dad always used to brag about being the only special agent in the Western States that ever qualified with a perfect score.
I mean, I heard that story so many times.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow.
That's a nice story, right?
So, I mean, I knew immediately since my dad had said that he had test fired it and now you have a second FBI agent saying that he was with another guy that was a special agent from the western states that was alleged to be a crack marksman.
It just all fit together, you know.
Well, you know, that weapon, which was a World War II Italian carbine, was known as the humanitarian rifle for never actually harming anyone on purpose.
Yeah, well, what my dad said about it, he didn't say too much about it, but he said, one thing I can assure you, he said that rifle could have never been used to kill a president.
Right.
Now, that he was adamant about.
Yeah, it was a ridiculous choice.
Yeah.
And then that was later confirmed by Jesse Ventura did a video where they actually took one of those manicured Carcanos and sent it to a top-notch gunsmith and they did everything possible to make the thing work as well as it possibly could and I think it jammed on Jesse on the I was with Jesse.
He flew me out to Ventura County to set it up.
I gave him all the dimensions and the angles to make sure it would be right.
Yeah, it was three bales of hay.
He did three repetitions.
I was the timer.
Go back and look at it again.
That might be the best short piece.
That might be the best short piece on JFK.
It was only 45 minutes, but it was really good.
Well, weren't they towing a Continental with a rope or something?
No, just three bales of hay.
They weren't even in motion.
Oh, okay.
And he wasn't able to hit him?
He got one hit out of nine shots.
Yeah, well the video that I saw, it was Ventura again, and he was up on a tower.
Yeah, he was on a tower, yeah.
And they were towing, pulling a, I don't know if it was a Lincoln Continental or not, but they were pulling a car with a rope and then Jesse was trying to shoot it.
And I believe, although I'm not positive on this, but I do know that the rifle jammed.
And I think it might have been on the second shot.
And I do remember my dad saying that, among other things, that you couldn't work the bull fast enough.
Yeah.
That it didn't match up, that it was a very, very difficult weapon, according to my father, to, you know, rechamber a shell.
It was just a very... Well, first of all, didn't the rifle cost about $12?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, they had to get an obscure weapon so they could have a paper trail.
Oswald didn't order it.
That was just set up to frame him.
Well, let's see, that's why I like, I read Judy, I highly recommend to anybody that has not read Judy Varie's book, Me and Lee.
I think that is absolutely one of the most definitive books in terms of explaining what was going on in New Orleans prior to the assassination.
I mean, again, I haven't read as many books as you have, but of the books that I've read, that one...
Book author and editor than, you know, I have a research library where I'm researching specific issues.
I have the best resources available.
I was a great fan of Judy in the early days.
I defended her extensively.
One of the great debates was on the education forum, which at the time was probably the best public debate
entity in the world.
And someone was attacking Judy and I was defending her and we had 2000 different exchanges on the discussion.
On that Mexico issue, aren't there photographs of the person, the supposed Oswald in Mexico City
doesn't even look anything like that?
Right, right, right, right.
So it's been identified to me as Walter Tabinsky as well as associated with a crime family in Toronto.
Well, you know...
I have utmost respect for Judy Barry, but nobody could know, even in her situation, everything that was going on with absolute certainty.
And it could be that they did send Oswald down there to Mexico, but there was another I'm sorry to contradict you, but we're not going to overlook something like that, okay?
I can't tell you how many shows we did about all the documents about the Mexico thing.
Totally fabricated.
Lee Oswald was not in Mexico City.
I'm telling you.
You just don't know what you're talking about.
Larry has gone through meticulously all these latest documents and he has unraveled the whole farce that was supposed to be that Mexico was totally fabricated.
And as I mentioned before, three of the assets of the CIA in Mexico were presidents of Mexico.
It was a total fraud.
Okay, well, like I say, I have no idea.
That's why I'm telling you.
Larry Rivera has done the best work in the world on this subject.
No one comes close.
Yeah.
Well, I was just offering a possible conjectural excuse that Judy could be easily mistaken one way or another.
I'm sorry.
I gave a really good talk at a convention she had organized about, I don't know, four years ago.
And she actually came out and disrupted the question session with something completely irrelevant.
It was very off-putting.
Not only that, but she knew well that Robert Grodin has been a disinformation agent in JFK way back when.
David Mantic and I, who've done a huge amount of collaborative research, we're going to be there together.
She had previously suggested she might want to give a research award for us.
I said this was the occasion.
She not only did not give a research award to David Mantic and me, which we deserved, She gave one to Robert Grodin, who has been deceiving the whole world about JFK and even argued that that Lee Oswald was not in the doorway of the book depository, when she herself assisted in proving that he was.
I'm just telling you, I've lost my faith in Judith.
I liked her book.
I was one of the first interviewer.
I did about 10 short interviews.
And I defended her massively, and I'm saying, you know, my opinion of Judith has taken a serious hit.
Well, I do believe your work on Oswald being in the doorway.
That, to me, is very convincing.
I think it's quite clear to me that that is Lee in the doorway.
Well, it is without any question.
Again, Larry Rivera.
Ralph Sinque was the one who made me realize that you identify him on the basis of the height, the weight, the build, the shirt, and the t-shirt he's wearing, which were the same as the height, the weight, the build, the shirt, and the t-shirt Lee was wearing when he was arrested.
But now his cops were so self-conscious they made him take off this long-sleeve richly textured over shirt That had been purchased in Russia and did his mugshot in a t-shirt so that the comparison with a man in the doorway wouldn't be so obvious.
So we already knew it was Lee actually.
Harold Weisberg in his second volume of his Whitewash series published in 1967 in the last four pages talked about the problem the Warren staff had trying to conceal the fact that Lee was in the doorway.
Jim Garrison also knew Lee was in the doorway.
What Larry did was he mastered the principles of photogrammetry, which is the application of mathematics to the study of photographs, and did a superposition of photographs taken from the right perspective to prove that even the facial features are those of Lee and not of Billy Lovelady, who himself said he was two to three inches shorter, 15 to 20 pounds lighter, and was wearing a short-sleeved red and white vertically striped shirt.
Well, didn't, at some point, Lee actually say that he was standing in the doorway?
Yeah, sure, he told Wilfred.
You see, he was out front with Bill Shelley, who was one of his supervisors.
So that's a lock, and then, it's my understanding, I don't, didn't Grodin run the museum that's in the school book depository building?
No, a guy named Gary Mann.
Oh, okay, well, what did Grodin do?
Well, let me give you one illustration.
Well, Grodin insists to this day that the Zebrero film is authentic, which is completely absurd.
Well, I agree that it's not.
Yeah, it's completely absurd.
And he knows it.
He's some kind of expert on films.
He knows damn well.
There are more frames missing from the From the original that are present in the accident film they're 487.
There were around a thousand frames in the original.
They took out 400 from the limo stop where a whole lot of events took place including Jack being hit in the head two times originally I thought but actually David now believes three to make sure he would be dead.
They also took out 100 frames turning from Houston onto Elm.
But he was hired as a special consultant for the House Select Committee on Assassination when it
reinvestigated in 1976-77.
And he was given the task of investigating whether this conjecture that Lee was in the doorway was or
was not authentic. And he came back with a false report that it was just a false rumor, which was
absurd.
It's provable.
He actually got Billy Lovelace to wear a different shirt.
It's a very long, complicated story, but I'm telling you, the guy's as dirty as he could be.
And here was Judith giving him a lifetime achievement award For arguing with HSCA that Lee was not in the doorway, which of course would have exonerated him, which is Judith's whole life ambition to exonerate Lee, right?
I'm telling you, she lost it with me.
She lost it with me at this convention, big time.
In all of these things, I mean getting back of flipping back to hydroxychloroquine, one of the things that you that in all of these incidents is that there's always this negative force that's promoting the alternative Or the official narrative, whatever you want to call it.
I mean, there's so many people that believe hydroxychloroquine is completely ineffective and dangerous.
It's unbelievable.
That's just horrific.
I've taken hydroxychloroquine.
The President's taken hydroxychloroquine.
We've got a Yale epidemiologist who may be the most distinguished in the world who said he has never seen so many studies that are such convincing evidence that this is a completely successful treatment.
For the coronavirus.
This guy ought to be, his name is Reich.
I think he ought to be Donald Trump's special scientific advisor on matters of medicine and public health.
Override Fauci, in other words.
Get Tony Durant out of the scene.
And this Deborah Burke, she came to Wisconsin and was saying you need to wear a face mask.
Well, look, if anyone wants to understand about face masks, go to jamesfetzer.org.
I've got the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons.
This is the most distinguished medical scientific Organization in the United States, perhaps in the world, explain face masks don't work.
I've got another 15 studies showing they don't even work in surgery.
They don't even work in surgery, Cy.
And I've got multiple others about the damage and hazards that you do to yourself from wearing a face mask.
So I'm telling you, it's just a complete bullshit.
And that she was coming here to Madison to talk about the importance of face masks, just outrageous.
Well, but you hear it all the time.
In fact, I think in between one of my YouTube videos today, I saw some bull crap about how, you know, face masks are going to protect us.
You can just look at the numbers that were reported by the CDC.
I was watching it early on, and I said, well, this social distancing and face masks are not doing any good at all, because the numbers, there was never a flattening of the curve.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I mean, it was obvious that it, and I was over at the hospital, this is a couple months ago now, but some lady came in and she, of course, they're all strutting around their masks over there, reasonably so, you know, I'm not necessarily on a mask, but she was saying, well, I'm, you know, we've made a difference with this social distancing and Nah.
Bullshit.
Total bullshit.
Social distancing, Cy, I'm told, is because for satellite facial recognition, they have to get persons separated from one another to calibrate a facial distancing AI, and it takes them about two months to do it.
That's what's really going on.
It's got nothing to do with saving us from the seasonal flu.
This is actually milder than the seasonal flu.
I'll bet you we never see those footprints that have now been stuck on every floor in every merchant.
I bet those never are removed ever from here on out.
Yeah.
Here we have a member of the chat room observing that he took chloroquine every day for malaria.
It's a perfect anti-malaria drug.
It's cheap.
It's readily effective.
It's virtually 100% effective.
But of course, Big Pharma wants to make big bucks, and Bill Gates wants to vaccinate us.
That is a business for him.
He won't let his own children be vaccinated, but he wants to vaccinate the rest of the world.
He's even admitted that if the whole world were vaccinated, there'd be 700,000 expected deaths, which is gonna be greater than the number that die worldwide from the coronavirus.
I mean, this is such a monstrous hoax, it's really disgusting.
Hey, well, I've got one for you.
I was taking warfarin for a number of years.
And I mean, I'm very methodical and very, very careful.
And all of a sudden, when my INR score, which is a measure of your clotting factor, was completely off the charts.
And I was completely shocked.
by it and so then that Everybody was kind of surprised. Yeah, and so they said
well, okay stop taking it You know for a few days and then go back on your regime and
see how it comes out Well, I come back in two weeks and and the scores as
screwed up as it was two weeks prior. I think Now this is conjectural
This is a conspiracy theory everybody.
I think the pharmaceutical industry could be screwing with the dosage in warfarin tablets to throw people's warfarin off to transfer them over from this cheap pill.
Warfarin is a month supply is about six bucks or something like that over to these drugs that are $600 a month which I'm on now.
Yeah.
They don't have to be monitored.
I really believe that, Jim, that the pharmaceutical industry could be tampered with.
Oh, they are.
They are.
They're ripping off the public monstrously.
I want to thank everyone here in the chat room.
You've raised some very good issues.
Cy, I want to give you a chance for the final words here as we conclude our conversation.
And for those who have suggested I have a beer, actually, I'm going to have a gin and tonic.
Well, I just want to thank you for inviting me on.
the program and trying to maintain my uh although it's not a perfect uh disguise uh
uh you know maintain my anonymity to a certain extent and I'm appreciative of that.
Oh it's it was just fine with me and I thought you made a lot of very nice points and I enjoyed
having you on. Okay well thank you so much and we'll leave it at that. So this is uh Jim Fetzer
on the Fets Presents, thanking my very special guests tonight.
Cyberchops, he called himself tonight, that I know his real name, but that's for your benefit.
I thank you all here in the chat room, and I look forward to seeing you on Thursday.
I'll have Dr. Lorraine Day MD talking about the Boston bombing.
She's a heroine in my estimation.
Tune in and you'll find out why.
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