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Aug. 28, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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The Fetz Presents (28 August 2020) with Sarah Westall
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This is Jim Fetzer on Fetz Presents, where I'm very pleased to have as my featured guest today, Sarah Westall, who's an investigative reporter from the old school, meaning she still cares about the facts.
Which make a difference to her, though not to most journalists or reporters today, and makes an effort to get stories straight, to give accurate and truthful reporting.
Sarah, it seems to me to become a lost cause that the media today has become a propaganda outlet of the Democratic Party.
I find it shocking in the extreme.
Yeah, I mean, like you were saying, truthfulness.
It's important to me because for me, it's my own integrity.
And if I don't have a fact right, I like to change it to be able to trust me.
And so I want to grow my audience and my listener base because they trust me.
And the only way they can trust me is if everything that I do Personally, I'm as honest as I can to give them truth.
And that's not what you're seeing from the media.
And I gotta tell you, the coronavirus is the number one.
If people have not opened their eyes to it, I don't know why.
Because I just interviewed Rocco Gallati, who's suing the Canadian government, Justin Trudeau, the Crown, health ministers at the Superior Court level.
He's a super lawyer.
He's very well known and there have already they have hundreds of experts including the top pediatric hospital in the world who have aligned up with them and they're more encouraged than from the virus.
I mean we're probably in the ballpark of Canada and this is using their inflated numbers and I gotta tell you South Africa has done the same study but in and their time from these lockdowns and these mandates
than from the virus.
And this is before the 130 million children they're estimating that are going to
to be in a situation of levels of mandates.
And the tsunami that's coming from the stress and the heart attacks and the additional suicides.
I mean, England's talking about seriously, talking about spiking their water with lithium
to keep their people from committing suicide.
And so what is going on?
And the fear that they're putting out, if they stopped it today,
we'd have 14 times less deaths if connected numbers, which is more of an adult than it will be.
And using their inflated numbers, we'd have 14 times less deaths
than their bogus virus stuff.
So the question is what's going on?
They're not only complicit and lying and representing the democratic party.
I would go as far as now they're complicit in murder.
Because this is very very clear and they're also complicit in keeping effective treatments from people.
I mean we have doctor upon doctor.
I have 72 studies showing that hydroxychloroquine using the right protocols works and the countries that actually have used it or that use it regularly ...are seeing very, very little deaths.
There's Taiwan who uses this inhaled steroid that's working with a doctor in Texas that's using it.
It hasn't lost a patient yet.
Even patients that have been on intensive care, they only have seven deaths in their entire country.
So I'm telling you, we are, they're complicit in murder.
And if people aren't waking their eyes to that, I don't, you know, what can save these people?
The brainwash is, it really works.
Oh, it does indeed.
You know, the lockdown, face masking, social distancing have all been shown by study after study to not only be unsuccessful in preventing contagion, but to be counterproductive.
Just to illustrate with a face mask, you're recycling oxygen depleted air.
That means your cardiovascular system is not being replenished.
It means your brain cells Are dying.
I'm projecting an average five point loss in IQ across the United States when this is over, Sarah, assuming we get through it, because there are powerful political forces that want to extend it again and again.
The Democrats seem to believe that if they can preserve the lockdown in place, that they're going to deprive Donald Trump of his greatest strength going into reelection, which is a Surging economy, but I think for all the rubble they're bringing about and all the deaths and even, you know, the additional from those who aren't receiving ordinary screening because of the preoccupation with COVID all the suicides
And all of the failure of, you know, being able to go to work means all the communities are not getting tax revenue.
I mean, the consequences are devastating.
But the Democrats seem to think that Trump will be held responsible.
I think that is completely ludicrous that the American people will say, who better to rebuild a devastated economy than the man who brought us the strongest, most surging economy in our history and where the stock market Well, yeah, and it's not even just the stock market.
It's the street.
It's what's happening with everyday businesses and the production, because the stock market sometimes can be separated from everyday business, and he was getting that turned around, and I think People have eyes more and more because of all these riots and because, I mean, Joe Biden can barely function.
And I mean, it's just, you know, they've taken this to a whole level of ludicrousness that we just, you know, we've been seeing this over the years of them covering up and doing false flags and doing different things.
But now it's at a whole nother level of bizarre And in face, and it's affecting everybody.
And, you know, even, you know, the looting and the rioting and then and then lying and saying it's peaceful when it's just on our faces.
I think I've taken it too far and with Trump was wanting from the beginning not to shut down society and you know when you look at South Dakota where they didn't shut down and they're not having problems and he made an effort to show us what we want.
I think he's been vindicated.
I mean I just think people are thinking it's not him it's all these other people and if you look at The Democrat cities are the worst.
The cities that are the worst are the Democrat strongholds.
You know, I'm in Minneapolis.
I know you've spent a lot of time in Minneapolis.
I'm not actually in the city, but I'm in a suburb of it.
And I just heard a reporter last night that's been to all the different cities, and he says by far Minneapolis is the worst widespread looting and rioting and just devastation.
We've had Democratic stronghold in Minneapolis for decades and if you look at every city that's crumbling and falling apart, it's Democrat cities.
If it's not becoming obvious then there isn't much that you can do to save the people.
I'm still on Twitter and I'm still on the places where I can try to reach These people who are on the fence and don't understand what they're doing is they're taking all these younger people and people who are leaning and they're using like shadow net software.
I don't know what name to use it.
It's tools you can.
You know, Shadowland is a bit of a blemish at what is documentary and all the things that are going on that's weird there.
But there really are those kinds of tools that allow them to put brainwashing or merge them in propaganda.
Everywhere they look, they think this is the way the world is.
And they're young and impressionable.
And these people who have no families either that support them, they really follow this Laughter is not even the right word for it, but this extreme anarchy, Marxist, communist regime, and the sad part of it is that these people are being used by technocrats and communists that want a woman.
They are being used by the very people they despise most, and they aren't smart enough to realize that, and that's sad.
And we're watching that happen and saying, you guys are being used by the people that cause all of these problems.
And you are, you can't see it.
And when you try to reason with them, they think they just can't, they just can't see it.
They're blinded by irrational anger.
And it's very troubling to say the least.
Well, the looting and the rioting and the arson.
just so staggering and disproportionate to the alleged offense.
They're all, of course, illegal, gross violations of due process.
If you want to bring about, say, the removal of a statue, you can petition, you can get
it on the ballot, you can have it properly deliberated.
The idea of setting fire to businesses and just looting galore, including jewelry stores,
interestingly, I mean, these people know what they're doing.
Sarah, I've even been given information, a reason they're letting all these criminals
out of jails on the feeble pretext that they're vulnerable to COVID-19 is so they can join
Antifa and Black Lives Matter in committing these heinous crimes.
And I think that makes excellent sense.
Oh, absolutely.
Well absolutely, they're letting these prisoners go so that they can be agitators, because they're not mentally, a lot of them aren't mentally there.
And the other thing is, I have good sources that tell me that Obama, I know Obama brought in over 100,000 Syrians and brought them on to the Indian reservations.
But there's more information coming out that these people, not just the Syrians, but other people like them from that area have been trained to be agitators here.
I think this is a bigger issue that is pretty broad and pretty sweeping.
And it's not just the United States.
It's worldwide as far as wanting to take down Western civilization.
And their goal is to create a one world government.
And there are quotes after quotes about people wanting to do this, you know, at the World Bank and at these higher levels.
And what they say is that we're going to force this one world government and there will be millions of people that reject it.
And there will be lots of people who die in the process.
But we we want.
But that's the pay.
That's the price we pay to create this utopian one world government that we're trying to create.
That's the stuff they're saying.
I'm not making this up.
That's coming from them.
And the whole COVID pandemic appears to have been planned well in advance.
We even have a photograph of Barack Obama in a biolab with Anthony, I call him Tony the Rat Fauci, and Melinda Gates in 2015.
Which lays the background for Anthony to declare in 2017 that in addition to the seasonal flu and HIV and so forth, that the Trump administration is going to have to deal with a surprise pandemic.
But Sarah, how can it be a surprise if Tony Fauci knows in 2017 that it's going to occur and where he's the guy who's supposed to prepare us to deal with pandemics?
I mean, I think that is very much on the order of a blatant confession of what's coming that was designed deliberately with Barack Obama And Anthony Fauci and Bill and Melinda Gates and a host of other miscreants in the background, including undoubtedly Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer.
The Democrats really and when you look at the timing, it's very obvious.
Since, as FDR observed, nothing in politics happens by coincidence.
They just have the failure of their impeachment, following the failure of Russiagate, following the failure of Ukrainegate, and lo and behold, Justice Rasmussen is reporting that some 37% of black likely voters are supporting Trump.
This is in December of 2019.
We have this sudden emergence of a pandemic.
And it's being declared to be a serious matter right off the bat by the CDC, the WHO, NIH, even though the numbers are very modest and they don't even compare with a seasonal flu, much less cancer or automobile accidents or a host of other phenomena where there are many, many more deaths, but those are not declared to be pandemic.
The whole thing reeks of politics.
Well, it's obvious, right?
I mean, it's beyond obvious now.
And if you can't see it, then you're just brainwashed.
And I think it gets to the point where it's such a big lie.
People are having cognitive dissonance.
They just can't, it's the people that just can't think that their government would do this to them.
And they struggle.
Those are the people that, it's the truth trauma.
They're traumatized by What could be the truth?
And that's why they can't get beyond it.
Because it's so obvious.
And you know, they say the flu deaths are lower this past year.
Well, yeah, because it's lower because you classified all the flu is COVID.
It's, it's, it's absurd.
I mean, we can just, like I said, this is ridiculous.
We already know that it's not a pandemic.
It's clearly not a pandemic.
There's no need to create 14 times more deaths, which is what they did.
They should stop with that information.
And this is their information using their numbers.
They should stop this immediately to stop the deaths.
They've already caused a tsunami of deaths.
They're going to cause more.
They need to stop it immediately to stop the increase of death from their mandates immediately.
And if they do anything but stop this, they're committing murder as far as I'm concerned.
And that's where we're at.
Now as far as Tony Fauci predicting, he can always say that we ...have been concerned because the other countries have this capability to weaponize viruses, and so you have to be ready for that.
I mean, he can BS his way out of that.
And whatever, it doesn't matter, because we're looking at the reality on the ground, and the reality on the ground is complete malfeasance for the human life.
And we don't even have to, you know, think about that because Gates and, you know, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Agave and MasterCard, they're in Africa right now doing the trust stamp to poor Africans where they're injecting a vaccine that has a chip or whatever the hell they got, some kind of microchip, to track all of their health records and their bank So they are testing that right now and they also in Ghana, the Bill and Melinda Gates and Gavi and a couple of the organizations did a, this is very well documented,
And when the Catholic Cardinals came out and all 26 of them in the country and it shut
them down because they realized they were doing a depopulation.
They were claiming they were getting rid of malaria, some kind of, I don't remember what
disease they were claiming they were getting rid of, but they were pumping these people
and only women and girls, because it was teenagers who were childbearing age, they were getting
They were pumping them with chemicals that would cause them to not be able to have children.
And so it was a depopulation agenda in Ghana, and it was very well documented.
They used six different labs that were independently analyzed.
And once they realized this, the Cardinals came out in unison and kicked them out of the country.
So they have, and India is another case where something like 400,000, very well documented, of children being paralyzed.
This is absurd what they claim.
And, you know, the vaccine being ready this quickly is absurd.
The only way it could be ready this quickly is if they already had it ready.
And, you know, there's rumors and gossip and stuff.
I have no proof that they already had it ready.
But that's the only thing that actually makes sense, because they're going to be killing millions of people with a vaccine.
They try to go on warp drive in a year.
It takes usually nine years.
They skip the animal trials.
The first phase of the Moderna one caused, with the high dose, with the most healthy people they could find, over 20% of the people were hospitalized.
And 6% of the people that had the low dose are hospitalized and these are the most healthy people they could find.
They're not talking about the most vulnerable people who are in their 80s who already have comorbidities.
How are they going to react to these vaccines?
I mean, you know, this is so absurd.
It's beyond obvious.
And so, you know, you can keep fighting based on these facts, but these people aren't operating on facts.
They're operating in a different paradigm and a different mode because the facts are too obvious.
So now we've got to get past the facts and figure out what the hell they're up to.
Because anybody that doesn't see that the facts are obvious, we just have to say, okay, this is obvious.
What are these guys doing?
Well, they're destroying humanity and civilization and taking us down.
They talk about how they have to break the human spirit so they can rebuild people up.
Are they breaking our spirit so they can rebuild us up like they would a horse that they're trying to tame?
I mean, maybe that's what they're doing.
Because at this point, it's too obvious.
Let me make a couple of comments here.
Minnesota State Senator Scott Jensen, who's also an MD, of course, reported how he was pressured to assign a patient who had died as COVID-19, even though he'd never been tested.
And that the AMA was pressuring hospitals to identify patients as COVID and giving them $13,000 for each patient so identified, $39,000 for each patient they put on a ventilator.
We know the statistics are massively exaggerated because of an ambiguity in the word test.
Well, all of us who have had a cold in the past, most of us are going to have antibodies that are COVID antibodies because a common cold vaccine is a COVID vaccine.
But that doesn't mean we're sick and it doesn't mean we're symptomatic.
And indeed, it turns out asymptomatic individuals are non-contagious.
Where even the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, which has to be the most respected scientific medical organization in America, Perhaps therefore the world has come out against the use of face masks and there are now 15 studies showing face masks don't even help during surgery.
Believe it or not, Sarah, I have these studies on my blog at jamesfetzer.org for those who want to pursue the details.
But as you're observing, all of this is completely fabricated and exaggerated.
The president of Tanzania actually was astute enough to test for COVID-19 goats and fruit and motor oil, and they all turned out to be positive except for the motor oil.
I mean, I'm telling you, the test kits, in other words, were already contaminated to give a positive result.
Well, I just got information this morning that Abbott, which is the largest supplier of tests, supposedly the most prestigious, 50% of their tests came back with false positives.
So they just were told to take it off the market.
So, you know, and then you have the media that stopped looking at actual people who are hospitalized and got sick and they just looked for tests.
So they were talking about positive tests and hyping that up, which is never an indication and we're basing it on false positives and even people that weren't even test.
We all have heard people, heard stories and know people.
I actually know people because I've talked to people now who have went in to take a test, the lines were too long, decided and went home and still got messages sent to them or called saying that they tested positive and they didn't even test.
So it's obviously there's this is the kind of data that I'm saying is so obvious and and then the media going and abandoning all common sense then just talking about positive tests.
Well whenever you have a virus that go a virus needs to pop go around the entire community eventually it'll burn itself out overall but by getting everybody until it mutates into a different strand.
So, the positive tests mean nothing.
It's the people that get really ill with it.
And so, common sense doesn't matter here anymore.
Using your intelligence and your brains and being, you know, really critically thinking about this has been totally thrown out the window.
That's why I say that there are bigger issues here.
They're trying to get you to think irrationally.
Because, let's just look at this one fact.
Fourteen times more people in Canada, and this is conservative numbers, and using their exaggerated false tests,
saying that anybody that died is COVID.
You know, they didn't even test them and say, so the flu numbers are way down because of that.
So using their exaggerated numbers, 14 times more people have died
from the measures, the mandates.
So with that information, why are they not taking that seriously
and shutting this down?
That is the most serious number you can look at.
South Africa, 29 times more.
The long-term trauma, the best hospital in the world, pediatric hospital rated the best.
I mean, I don't know, that kind of is BS too about how you do ratings.
But you're still good, rated the best in the world, has said that the long-term trauma of social distancing and masks and children that are doing the skills are going to create long-term trauma.
They're not going to be able to bond properly with their peers.
As all of us have raised children, you know, you get into the teenage, middle school years and you are the plague and they just want to be with their peers.
All of that normal human development is not occurring properly.
And so what is going to go on with these children?
They don't care.
And this is all coming from top psychologists, top cardiologists, one of the top most respected cardiologists on my program, talking about the additional heart attacks and stress-induced heart attacks.
And those go up whenever anybody's not employed.
Stress and just tech up by, you know, over 100%.
percent.
And so we're talking about major, major problems.
And then you're talking about children.
The U.N.
came out with a report.
No matter what we can get it, you know, get their information.
They're talking about a massive surge in domestic violence.
So now what does that mean for traumatized children and death and suicide?
They don't care about people.
And if that's obvious, then you gotta wake up and people need to understand.
They need to end these mandates now so that the death stops and we can start to heal.
This is not about the virus.
Look at the real information.
I think people need to get aggressive and say, stop this now, you're killing people.
And this is based on the most prestigious information out there.
Everyone you talk to, you get a nut job doctor talking about how you need to wear a mask and we need to lock people down.
Ask them about these 14 times more deaths.
Ask them about these surge in suicides.
Ask them about the South Africa's 29% of deaths.
Ask them about the 130 million more children dying of starvation.
They will never address that in the media because they know they're wrong.
Who cares about the 0.05%?
5 or .0 whatever of people over 80 dying of COVID when you have this many young people dying of suicide and drug overdose.
In Canada they don't have a single person under 20 dying of COVID.
And yet they're locking these kids down and they're dying from suicides and drug overdoses and getting a long-term trauma.
You don't care about people when you do this.
And I don't care what anybody says.
This is not, we shouldn't even try to press more.
It's very obvious.
We can analyze every little detail and we can sit and argue about every little detail and every little thing that Anthony Fauci said.
That is immaterial right now.
We have so much And so I'm interviewing another guy, Dolan, and he's a multi, they call him a mogul in England, and they're suing, it's a group of them, they're suing the UK government because of the deaths that are happening.
Same with Rocco Gallato is who's very well respected.
We got all these well respected people now going up against the government and saying, you are killing people way more than this virus.
And they're doing what they can in a legal manner.
This is going to be like the Nuremberg Trials when this is done.
Because they are killing people en masse.
And we need to fight.
And no more conspiracy theory BS.
This is very obvious and very proven.
And every doctor that looks at it with an open mind and can critically think and isn't irrationally caught up in this.
You're 100% correct, sir, and indeed even Anthony Fauci has known since 2005 that hydroxychloroquine, HCQ, is a wonder drug in relation to coronavirus.
It not only functions as a cure if you've acquired the virus, but as a preventative if you have not.
We know this because an article demonstrating this to be the case was published in the journal Virology of the National Institutes of Health, of which Fauci is a director, which means nobody had to die.
HGQ would have handled it all, and as you're mentioning, case after case after case.
We've had virtually 100% success in treating this with this old, it's been around for about 65 years, inexpensive, virtually you can get it as a generic drug, but that of course appears to be part of the reason why Big Pharma is absolutely opposed because they're not going to make money off of it since it's inexpensive and readily available.
And of course, it completely undercuts the vaccine agenda of Bill Gates.
Whereas you're observing in relation to Ghana and other African countries, they want to inject us With all kinds of weird stuff, not only fetal tissue, not only heavy metals, but even it's conjectured Bill Gates' own DNA, chips that are going to keep our medical and financial records in particular, but also a mind-brain interface to affect our thoughts and our behavior.
Sarah, it's monstrous.
Catherine Austin Fitz has published a wonderful piece also on my blog at jamesfetzer.org explaining how these are injectables, but they are not medicine.
Congress, in its infinite stupidity, passed an immunization act for big pharma from liability for any negative effects from the use of vaccines back in 1986.
So that if Gates can succeed in getting his injectables classified as vaccines and he's immune, even if they kill hundreds of thousands of people, even millions, because he wants to inject the whole world, you'll have no immunity whatsoever.
Catherine Austin Fitts' bottom line is the following.
that these injectables are not medicine and therefore, since vaccines are medicine, they
cannot possibly qualify as vaccines, but they're doing their best to move in exactly that direction.
Well, they're just making crap up to get their own agenda, right?
When you talk to Patrick Wood, he's absolutely right.
This is a technocracy utopia.
They're trying to control humanity.
They want, you know, the lithium in the water.
They want to control so that we're more docile, that we can be controlled.
And I mean, it's the only thing that you can point to because that's what their actions are showing.
It's very, very clear.
They cannot do a vaccine if there's an alternative treatment.
That's the way the rules work.
Why are you giving us a vaccine if something that's legitimate works?
Hydroxychloroquine is safer than Tylenol.
I mean Tylenol has killed what 500 people annually and hydroxychloroquine I think has killed less than 50 worldwide since it's been on the market in the entire world.
It's one of the safest drugs that have ever been created and I have a study of 72 studies on my website on hydroxychloroquine, of which I think 42 are peer-reviewed,
saying that hydroxychloroquine worked using right protocols. Now if you wait too long,
like the stupid Lancet tries to show you that it didn't work, because they waited until these people were
in intensive care.
That's not how hydroxychloroquine works.
Now, there's an ingested steroid or inhaled steroid that will work once you're in intensive care.
And that's seeing amazing results.
But, you know, they are ignored.
That's why I'm saying they're complicit in murder.
This masks me.
Because they are trying to show that something that has been proven to work doesn't.
So while they're showing something that hasn't been proven to work, these vaccines, does work.
I mean, if you can think at all, you know that this is just absurd and it's hypocrisy on steroids.
And that's why I say you've got to get past just continually trying to prove with stats and information.
Because they aren't looking at stats and information anymore.
They know we're right.
They know we're right.
It's so obvious.
And so the doctors and everybody are just like appalled and keep trying to prove it with stats and information.
And that's our form of cognitive dissonance.
Where if we just keep showing people with information and stats, no, it's already obvious.
We're already past that point.
It's so obvious.
That's not their goal.
Their goal is... Patrick would explain this to me because I had a conversation.
It wasn't in video.
I asked him because I'm just... he goes, Sarah, what you don't understand.
It's really helped me change my view on this.
He goes, what you don't understand is it's working perfectly for them.
They know from what they're trying.
They're scientific.
If they're technocrats, they are.
Everything's based on science and how To do that.
So they said, well, if it's based on science, why aren't they listening to all these obvious facts?
He goes, because they already know.
It's not that's not the facts they're looking at.
They're trying to control society, make them more or less.
They'll break down and control different environment.
Their science is telling them it's working because they know that we're going to reject and have cognitive dissonance and fight this way.
But if they keep going their way, the average person who can't think is going to just keep going along with it.
And those of us who are fighting based on science and protocols and all this obvious stuff are going to eventually stop fighting.
or die. There's millions of people who are going to fight back and there's going to be people who are going to die.
So he's trying to tell me that their science is... Does that make sense?
As a professional philosopher of science, I can guarantee you that they're fudging the data.
They're not talking about the alternative hypotheses, and they're not giving appropriate comparisons.
This is their science.
It's not real science.
It's not bona fide.
They're making an appeal to authority by frauds like Tony Fauci, as though he were legitimate.
when he's actually grossly partisan and has been doing more damage to the United States,
to Americans and to our nation than any other figure in history.
This man deserves to be indicted, given a fair trial and hung for his offenses.
It's outrageous.
Well, there's a whole group of them.
I mean, it's a whole group of people that need to, you know, the Nuremberg trials.
My point is, is that their science is working.
That's, they know their science.
They know what we know.
Their science is the same as ours.
But what they're, but hold on, they're, they're creating these numbers because what they're trying to do is something different.
Their agenda is this new world order, this controlling humanity, breaking us down, doing other things.
So they know they have to lie and create BS stats.
They know that.
But their science is about manipulating people and doing what they're trying to do.
And so that's what their science is.
And that's what Patrick explained to me and how it works.
And so you've got to look at it from a different paradigm.
And that's when I had my aha moment.
Of course they know.
Of course they know they're making stuff up because it takes effort to make stuff up.
They know that.
They know that what we're saying is right.
But that's not what they're going after.
Their science is to figure out how to manipulate people, how to lie, how to get the people mentally to where they want them to get to.
So they're violating a basic principle of scientific reasoning, which is this, that your research has to be based upon all the available data.
What they're doing is a fallacy known as special pleading, selecting out a subset of data favorable to their side and ignoring the rest.
This can also be described as the method of selection.
They know that.
I'm making a point for understanding how we know this is not scientific.
You keep talking about it as their science.
I'm telling you.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Okay, let me explain it.
No, no, no.
Yeah, their science of how to control people is my point.
How can I say it?
They know they're lying.
They know they're not doing good science to the masses.
You're talking about the politicalization of science.
I'm talking about how we know that what they're claiming to be science is not, that it's pseudoscience, it's ersatz science.
It's fake!
And I'm telling you exactly how we know that, because it violates The requirement of total evidence, which is the sort of thing done by used car salesmen, for example, when they emphasize a great stereo in the leather upholstery and ignore the fact the car needs a ring job and has a shot transmission.
They have turned into politicians and editorial writers and a medical version of used car salesmen, Sarah.
That's my point.
I'm in agreement with you.
It's a matter of how we describe it.
Well, they know they're lying about that stuff, but what they're trying to do is manipulate us.
And in order to manipulate us is to get us to think differently, be confused.
And so what they're doing, they're scientific in that way.
They know they're lying and it's all bogus and crap science on how they're spinning it.
But they are manipulating people and trying to get them to think a different way and to control us and get us injected with this crap that they want to inject us with.
And they're using Can science of control to do it?
And that's what Patrick would explain to me on how it works very well with science of controlling people.
And the science that we're looking at as far as they're lying about the numbers, they know they're lying about it.
They know that it's bogus science.
They know it's quack science.
But they don't care because it's what's needed to do to control people and to run the very understood science behind controlling human beings and that part of it.
Does that make sense?
I mean, I'm just not doing a good explaining what I'm trying to say.
It brings us back to Shadowgate because Shadowgate was showing a very sophisticated software program called ShadowNet.
Yes.
Yes.
use selective information biased in spun to create the kinds of responses from individuals
that they want in advance where they've done such brilliant work of each individual that
they know if they send it certain types of information, they can predict how they're
going to behave so they can manufacture a riot in Ferguson, Missouri, for example, or
another in Minneapolis or another in Portland, Oregon.
So, I think this Shadowgate turns out to be incredibly important, just as you are suggesting.
The science of manipulation, the science of mind control, sophisticated software programs, and the manipulative capacity that that thereby provides.
That's exactly right.
And so that's what they're trying to do.
And Rocco Galati said the same thing.
He goes, Sarah, what you don't understand is that scientists are pure in thought, and they think that if they keep fighting with facts and information and all this stuff, that they're going to win.
That's not how it's working here.
They have a different agenda.
And that he's the one that's suing the Canadian government.
They already know all this.
And so, you know, he got me thinking it kind of with Patrick Wood.
It's like, yeah, you guys are right.
You're exactly right.
That's why we have to fight them differently.
Because they don't care about... And Shadowgate, ShadowNet, I interviewed both of the whistleblowers in that documentary.
And, you know, there's a lot of Controversy on that.
You know, I don't care about the controversy because I know, because I've talked to, you know, Kirk Weavey, and I've talked to Bill Binney, and I've talked to a lot of different whistleblowers.
What they're talking about is 100% right, as far as what they're capable of doing.
And they, it's not just ShadowNet, the software, you know, made by General Jones and his family, which they did do.
There's, it's a whole cottage industry Of people doing this and software doing this.
And that's what I'm concerned about with the younger people, because they're completely inundated with this brainwashing.
I look at my son and my daughters, what they're exposed to.
They don't get to hear anything that we're talking about.
They're exposed to just the pure propaganda and the manipulation.
And they don't have that good family structure, you know, because our family structure has been broken down.
And so they're looking for that group and that somebody to follow and be part of.
And here comes ShadowNet and the software like it, completely manipulating them.
That's what Rocco was saying.
You've got to look at this differently.
Patrick, you've got to look at this differently.
look at this differently.
That's the science they're using because the other stuff is so freaking obvious that they're
lying.
They can't be that dumb.
You know, they know.
Now, this is why I think Shadowgate may be perhaps the most important documentary of
the last 10 years, Sarah.
It's that good in laying it all out to make it intelligible.
I have a friend who has very good Intel connections who's been talking about mind control to me for years and years and years, but I could never see how it was implemented.
Shadowgate laid it out.
Now I see how they do it.
Now it makes perfect sense and I agree 100% with you.
This is stunning stuff and it really is the technique they're employing.
to manipulate, to bring about the political outcome they desire.
That's exactly right.
And, you know, I...
I was on Dave Janda's show and I used an example of Roger Stone.
How would they use this software to manipulate jury trials?
Well, they got it to the point where not only just the jury, their whole jury pool was pre-selected.
So no matter what, his lawyers were going to likely pick somebody who was going to find Roger Stone is guilty.
That's how they use it to fix jury trials.
They are very sophisticated.
Learning that, I'm suspicious my jury pool was similarly selected in advance because I wound up with 12 jurors all under the age of 31 men and 11 women, all of whom profess to have never even heard of Alex Jones.
I mean, how absurd is that?
Yeah, so you very lightly got a jury that was set up.
I mean, they just picked everybody who has a certain psychological profile, which is very easy to do now with software and everything they have, and then they use it again to create the outcome that they want.
You know, and I've been doing shows on this, and I started about a year ago.
I first interviewed on the ShadowNet software and all the things around it.
I'm very happy that that documentary came out.
Yeah, there's some questions and concerns around the whole thing, but that information and what's around it, because I did a lot of background check.
I talked to, you know, investigative journalists as well, and they said, I don't know about the actual whistleblowers.
I can't prove one way or the other, but that information is solid.
And that's what we need to understand.
I couldn't agree more.
Now, let's talk about the political agenda here of the two parties, because it appears to me that there's just a world of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans this time around, and that it's well reflected by their conventions.
It was stunning, actually, how amateurish were the production values of the DNC event.
But more stunning even, perhaps, they never even talked about the elephant in the room, urban violence, because it appears that Antifa and Black Lives Matter are simply the paramilitary wing of the Democratic Party.
I've done several shows about this, which are available at jimtheconspiracyguy.com.
In particular, the DNCCV conspiracy, how Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and the Democratic agenda fit together.
Sarah, I'm just appalled that the Democrats are willing to destroy America in a misbegotten effort to secure political power.
Well, and that's why I was talking about the 100,000 Syrians that came onto the Indian reservations.
How they're being trained, I think, is to outsource influence.
They're using prisoners, which is absurd.
They're letting rapists and stuff out.
This is not... I had Sherry Edwards that was analyzing the frequencies of their voice and everything.
...is an outside the United States attempt to take down the U.S.
And that's what people need to understand.
Their convention was laughable.
The only thing they talked about is how bad racism is and sexism and everything.
Okay, well let's get past that and do something better.
Let's improve.
Come on!
I mean, and that's what was so great about the RNC.
I will admit, I'm a woman.
I've seen it.
I've coached hockey and I got treated like crap.
I know there are examples that I go into certain environments and they're wonderful.
So we've made huge, I see when my daughter started to now how much better it is.
I know for the black community, they have it worse than a lot of women.
I don't know if they have it worse.
Yeah, as a first woman, that's great.
It was an eye-opening experience.
But they are focusing on it to a point where we are just victims instead of saying, hey, we know that there's issues.
But we also know that we've targeted the black nuclear family.
And, you know, the BLM movement, I just had Dwight Dwight, oh my god, sir, what's his last name?
He's running the Family Preservation Organization, which helps people who are going after child protective services, because another thing, it's a genesis, eugenics and technocracy movement that was started a hundred years ago to try to get the poor kids who aren't worthy, you know, the parents aren't worthy to raise them, and so they're putting them in To families that are worried.
It's very the science behind technocracy.
We need better parents instead of, well, who loves them more, but they don't care.
And so it expanded to minorities and all poverty.
And so that's breaking our nuclear down.
The BLM movement's about breaking the nuclear.
So BLM, OK, black lives do matter.
But what the hell does breaking the nuclear family and bringing in Marxism mean to that?
That's not No.
He's a black man.
He's a very successful... in a hundred countries consulting and they mess with the wrong person and so now he's just hardcore going after them.
Bringing these people, not the Supreme Court, going after Child Protective Services.
Child Protective Services have never lost in court, and now these guys are seriously taking on the task.
I love it because this is a concerted act, starting with Clinton there,
fricking bring drugs into the inner cities and then create a 10 times harder penalty
on the drugs that are in the inner cities versus the suburbs against black people
that destroyed the black family.
He was saying that in the 60s it was better because even though there was more discrimination,
they had their nuclear family.
They were discriminated against, but they had their family unit of love
and making sure that they could take care of their...
Cause that's what you...
You need expectations on what you're going to do.
You're going to do good in school.
You're going to work hard.
You're going to do the best you can.
And you're going to ignore... Because everybody grows up with hardships.
So you're going to ignore the messages and you're going to know that you can do anything you set your mind to.
That's what these good families were teaching young black kids back in the 60s.
And then they went and destroyed the nuclear family.
And the only way that black families could get out of that is get out into the suburbs And the thing is that it melted out.
It leaked out and got to everybody.
It got to the poor.
So now we have this whole nuclear family amongst anybody that is poor or not upper middle class of their families just breaking down.
And so now we have this perfect environment to allow some outside group to come in and use these young Adults who have never been given the proper, you know, raising, they have no identity other than these Marxist groups that are manipulating, controlling them.
And then you get Shadownet coming in and giving them every message from every direction.
That's what's going on.
And now we have a fricking mess on our hands in this country.
And yeah, is there a huge difference?
One has been taken over by an outside force.
We have a party in this country, and that's the Republican Party.
And then we have a weirdo group that's been taken over by an outside force trying to take down the United States.
So we only have one legitimate party in this country at this moment.
That's the problem.
Oh, I couldn't agree more.
Give me your assessment of the DNC Convention versus the RNC.
It was a complete joke.
All they did was talk about racism and sexism and how bad everything is.
Well, that's what I mean.
You got to get past that and focus.
OK, fine.
But what are we going to do?
You've been talking about this for decades.
Have you seen DeSouza's book about how, you know, because the Republican Party was always about civil rights, always about trying to create equality.
What happened in the 60s is that the Democratic Party just stopped fighting against it.
And what they realized, they weren't going to win by fighting against the right.
So what we're going to do, this is his analysis.
I think it's just spot on.
What we're going to do is get them all to come to the Democratic plantation and then we're going to destroy their families, but force them still in.
And that's exactly what they're doing.
They're destroying these families.
And you can't tell me, you look at Clinton's and what they did with their fund in Haiti, they destroyed the Haitians.
I have a six hour worth of shows with Azili Danto.
You can't tell me the proof is obvious.
It's, you know, if you can't see the proof, then you are like gone.
And so what we have is an outside force destroying this country.
Now they've been taken over by outside people wanting, you know, George Soros, it's not just George, it's central anchors and people wanting to create a global environment, wanting to bring in communism so they can create a one world dictatorship.
If you look at what they've said in Jackson Hole, Wyoming at the Central Bankers Meeting
about wanting to have a bankers dictatorship, I talk about it, we have Harley Schlinger
going through it.
You have to look at the speeches, they're incredible.
They're actually talking about this stuff.
And that's what's behind all this movement.
People are not realizing who's using them and they're going to be appalled once they
realize.
I've had Alex Newman who understands the United Nations backwards and forwards and red and
everything.
He understands how these coups, he's been with the elites in all these private schools.
He's like, I was raised with them.
I understand how they think.
And it's amazing.
And when you look at the actions, it points to that.
Now the DNC, it's all bad.
Did they just get caught off guard or are they just that dumb?
I don't know, but the RNC convention is so good compared to them, compared to that.
I don't know, that almost scares me on how why it's so good.
Like, why is it that much better?
That is almost like, well, you know, nothing happens in politics without a reason.
I don't know.
Maybe the DNC's convention was sabotaged by people internally that want That are starting to see what's going on.
I mean, I don't know because it was so bad.
But maybe they're just delusional and they think this the same old way of doing business is going to keep working and it's not because we got people fighting back en masse and they just aren't used to being on the defense.
I don't know because it was that bad.
Do you agree?
Oh, well, look, I mean, it got no balance.
Neither the selection of the vice presidential nominee, Kamala Harris, nor the convention itself gave the Democrats a balance.
This has only happened twice before in recent political history with John Kerry and before him with George McGovern.
And we both know the lackluster result for them.
Yeah, it was so pathetic that I think they're embarrassed.
They're trying to figure out how to recover from this and they realize they have to take their tired old ways of doing business and just talking about racism and sexism and stuff instead of talking about real solutions.
And allowing all this hardcore Marxist looting and rioting to go on and then lying about it just isn't working.
And now they've been caught with their pants down and realizing it's not working.
But the concern I have is that they don't care.
They're going to come in and create civil war before this election.
That's the concern I have.
Sarah, I have an analysis by a dear friend of mine.
He's a former Army intel and psyops officer.
His name is Scott Bennett.
He and I do a weekly show together as commentators.
It's called Truth vs. News, broadcast out of a Seattle community television station.
But he and I have done many other events and interviews together, including analysis of what happened in Las Vegas.
Which, like Charlottesville, like Parkland, like the Boston bombing, like Orlando, and like Sandy Hook, was a staged or fabricated event.
No, this guy is very, very good.
He's given now his analysis of how the Democrats are going to proceed from now.
It will take me about two minutes to read, but I'd like to read it all and then you pick and choose the parts you'd like to address.
Is that a plan?
Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, let's do it.
Be advised by my calculations, background in political theory and military intelligence and psychological warfare, this is the plan the Democrats will be following most likely in an attempt to seize power in the United States and taking the presidency.
Democrats will attempt to intimidate Americans with chronic trauma and communicate that the only hope to stopping the violence and confusion is by putting Nancy Pelosi in as president in order to settle an artificial dispute in the Electoral College.
Here's how, by the numbers.
One, Democrat governors will declare another COVID-19 lockdown by declaring massive spikes in infection and deaths and try to close schools and businesses indefinitely.
This will backfire.
Two, Democrats will increase the violent mobs of looters, rioters, Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other domestic enemies and begin engaging in targeted assassinations and bombings and attacks upon American city infrastructure.
Three, Democrat political leaders will blame the unrest on the personality of Trump and attempt to sell the idea that only replacing Trump with a Democrat will assuage and appease and cease the violence and unify the nation.
Four.
Democrats will refuse to engage in debates with a president.
They will try to claim the moral high ground and declare Trump mentally unstable.
Biden will not debate Trump.
Also, election polling places will be targeted for disruption.
Five.
Mail-in ballots and false paper ballots will be flooded into every possible government office, voting place, post office, and other location in an attempt to claim uncounted votes exist, justifying endless recounts.
Hillary Clinton will be the cheerleader encouraging the Democrats to never accept defeat, never concede under any circumstances.
Six.
Joe Biden will most likely be assassinated by Democrats masqueraded as mega hat wearing Trump supporters.
This will prompt the Democrats to announce Joe Biden's spirit lives on.
Democrats will most likely remove Biden after the election in order to establish Harris and possibly Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo or other white male as vice president.
Democrats will declare the electoral college has ruled a tie or unable to determine the results.
Nancy Pelosi will claim the presidency and attempt to remove Trump and usher in the new normal.
This will fail.
President Trump, therefore, needs to begin countermeasures and mobilize special operations military, like special operations for low-intensity conflict, and deputize citizen militias to rally around the president and prevent him from being removed.
Trump also needs to mobilize arrests, charges for treason, and military tribunals to domestic enemies and traitors.
The summary simply is, Hillary's instruction to not accept defeat will be the plan that triggers national unrest, and then the Democrats will try and sell the American people that Nancy Pelosi is the president and must be installed in order to bring peace to the nation.
Therefore, Free citizens need to begin preparing for defending against his fraud and bullies.
Using truth and superior firepower and resolve, the Democrat civil war and domestic terrorism in attempt to seize power.
By preempting the strategy, by exposing it and sharing it, the Democrats will lose.
God is on our side and he is turning the Democrats over to madness and darkness.
Let us remember that the Republican convention was the best in the history of America, and the fireworks were never before seen in such glory in Washington, D.C., and I have seen a lot.
The Oscars should bestow an honorary Oscar upon the person and team that designed the pageantry at the convention, which essentially make the Democrats look like a bunch of drunken dancing monkeys on a hot plate.
Black olives matter.
Yeah.
What will happen as a result of all of this is, one, massive overwhelming Republican conservative independent election victory and sweeping elections of Republican governors in every state as well as House and Senate members through regular and special elections.
Two, a blitzkrieg lightning free crushing of Antifa, BLM, and leftist groups.
A rise of armed militias will quiet the domestic terrorists and lead not follow the police.
Three, Prop 9 declares an executive order recognizing all former military and police and trained citizens being empowered with a concealed carry permit, which may also be given to all Americans through the Second Amendment executive order to combat domestic terrorism.
4.
Ivanka Trump will run for mayor of New York, then governor of New York, then president.
Blessed is the Lord my God which teeth is my hands to war and my fingers to fight. Psalm 144.
Scott's a religious guy, he concludes. Let God arise and his enemies be scattered. Apart from
the religious intonation, Sarah, I think he's probably got it basically right. Your thoughts?
Well, I don't know if he has the, you know, he's trying to prophesize what's going on.
I know that, you know, I look at what actions they're doing.
So they obviously have a plan to take over the country without an election from Judicial Watch, who is just nailed it every time.
I mean, you can count, you can take what he says to the bank, is my point.
And he says their plan, more than likely, is to Well, Nancy-Ann, because if they don't have a clear-cut winner by January 20th, the Speaker of the House becomes the acting president.
And every place they've done these mail-in ballots en masse, It's just a fiasco farce.
So that's what's going to happen.
It's going to be a complete fiasco farce.
And I do believe that, like I said, we have one party now and more and more people.
And I don't even think I see Trump as more populist, you know, just doing what's right.
I've always said I'm in the middle.
But how can you not be for families and all these basic things?
And it's like there's just one party right now.
And I believe anybody with two brain cells to rub together sees that there's something seriously wrong with the Democratic Party.
And that's why what he's saying and prophesying could come true in the sense of everybody fighting back en masse.
No, the sheriffs are coming together.
Sheriffs are only there because they're elected by the people and they don't answer to any elected office and they can deputize citizens.
And so I do think there's a sheriff movement as well that's starting to, I know because I've seen it and I'm helping them raise money for it.
They are coming up and saying, hey, we are going to we're going to protect citizens and what their rights are.
So I see this huge movement and groundswell.
And of course, they're lying about the polls.
Right.
I can't even believe they can get this many people on television to sit and lie and be puppets.
It's just amazing.
So yeah, I think that he's sort of on.
I just don't know.
You know, he's prophesying on what's really going to happen.
But he could be just as right as anybody else.
Because their actions are showing they don't care about what the truth is.
They want to create civil unrest and civil war.
The concern that I get is how they're going to use the Indian reservations.
And we already have Chinese troops in Canada.
Canadian legislation allows China to bring in troops to protect their assets.
And they've been selling assets to China en masse for decades now.
So we have Chinese troops not only protecting their assets, but also on Indian reservations right above the border.
We also have troops on Indian reservations here.
They just ceded half of, not Arizona, but Arkansas.
I think it was not Arkansas.
Oklahoma.
They ceded half of Oklahoma back to the Indian Reservation.
Why did they do that?
So I'm going to do an upcoming show with Susan Bradford.
She's doing a ton of investigative journalism.
She's great on what's really going on with the Indian Reservations there.
I'm telling you, this is an outside force trying to take out the United States.
We need to get together because we are being attacked and they're using the Democratic Party.
I know I sound kind of nutty and out there by saying it, but this is true.
It really is.
When you look at the numbers of people dying from the mandates versus the actual virus, They destroyed our economy on purpose, taking the lockdowns on people who don't die from the virus.
I understand at first before we understood what was really going on, you know, everybody was scared.
But once you understood, they kept doing it.
Now they're even going harder on this, lying about everything.
It's very clear we have an outside force trying to destroy the United States.
Very clear.
And people need to wake up to it.
And as people wake up to it, we're going to have more and more people uniting and protecting their families, their futures, and this country.
And it's what we need to do.
Bill Benny said this is the most dangerous time since the Civil War.
And he's absolutely right.
People don't know who Bill Benny is.
He's a very well-respected person that used to run the NSA surveillance program.
And he said it on my show when I asked him about it.
This is very serious.
And so that's what you're seeing.
So is his version of the future right?
I don't know.
But, you know, it's the kind of future that could really realistically happen.
Sir, I want to thank you for being my guest today.
I think you're sensational.
I think you're doing the kind of journalism America needs, and I'm so glad you're out there.
We only need hundreds more just like you instead of the stooges on television where it's fast Fascinating to note that Don Lemon, who's of course been just a propagandist for the left, recently explained to Chris Cuomo, who of course is the brother of Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, that if the Democrats don't stamp down all this looting and rioting, it could affect them in the election.
I mean, talk about a Johnny come lately.
That was obvious to me from the very first day of rioting and looting right in Minneapolis.
So now he's finally realizing because it's showing up in focus groups that this is going to be the decisive issue.
Would you believe that Trump's approval rating, this is prior to the conclusion of the RNC, was already up to 52%?
And as you well know, Sarah, that is probably the most indicative signal as to who is going to prevail in the election to come.
This is why I think Scott is anticipating the Democrats are going to have to take extraordinarily extreme measures, even up to and including their own candidate, who is, of course, brain damaged, cognitively incompetent, such that the Speaker of the House He's insisting he should not debate Donald Trump.
And she's trying to make it out to be the moral high ground, but actually it's simply an attempt, a fruitless one, in my opinion, to conceal the fact that Biden is completely incompetent.
Most of us predicted his acceptance speech would be a multiplicity of camera cuts from different angles because they'd have to edit it out.
When he made a glitch since he's incapable of uttering more than a few sentences without a blunder.
Instead, it turns out that while it was done in many takes, they did a sophisticated morphing system to make it look seamless.
But if you look carefully, you'll find sometimes he's wearing an American flag pin on his lapel.
Sometimes he's not.
Sometimes he's wearing a watch.
Sometimes he's not.
Oh really?
Yeah.
I didn't see that.
Well, that's obvious then.
Yep.
Isn't that amazing?
Everything about the Democrats turns out to be fraudulent and fake.
They're so dumb.
Well, and Nancy Pelosi came out now trying to say that Biden shouldn't even debate Trump because Trump is a liar and he shouldn't even
dignify Trump by debating.
It's like, you're such an idiot.
They're just trying to get out of it because Biden's going to look so bad.
And he's going to be in the polls.
Trump has to work hard not to.
Sarah, tell me.
What do you think?
Well, I want to say one more thing.
Trump almost has to make sure he doesn't go too far and get Biden the pitty vote because
he has to like, he's going to make him look so bad that he doesn't want to look like a
complete asshole.
It's going to be very, very interesting.
Sarah, you're wonderful.
Tell everyone where they can find more of your work, your channel, whatever, videos,
interviews, just lay it all out.
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