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Aug. 15, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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The Fetz Presents: Patty Saffran
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patty i'm going to start now if that works for you Sure.
This is Jim Fetzer with the Fetz Presents, where my guest this evening, Patty Saffron, and I are going to be discussing a world gone stark raving mad.
Patti, like Sophia Smallstorm, is a bit video-aversive, but I'm delighted to have a photograph of Patti to share.
Patti, you've done all this research about statues, for example.
You got very involved in the removal of the Teddy Roosevelt from the Museum of Natural History.
He was one of our greatest presidents.
Tell us a bit about what drew you in, a little about your background and your interests.
I had been writing about horses, actually, for Horse Directory Magazine, and I started getting interested in horse history and, of course, equestrian statues.
And the Teddy Roosevelt statue is one of the best in the country.
And the sculptor, James L. Fraser, was an apprentice to probably the best sculptor in America, and that was Sango Dance.
So the Teddy Roosevelt statue, as everyone knows, has been given a death sentence by the museum and the city.
They want to remove it.
But I had done research on it for the Mayor's Committee.
Bill de Blasio set up a commission on city art, on monuments and markers.
And I asked to be on it, but they already had chosen people.
And nobody was chosen for their particular expertise on either history or historic statues.
So they were chosen for such issues as gender and public spaces, but they weren't so interested in the history.
So I actually arranged to do the research on the statue for them.
And I contacted the Syracuse University Library, and that's where the papers of the sculptor reside.
It's James Earl Fraser's notes, papers, everything, and also his wife, who was a sculptor, Laura Garden Fraser.
And she did the Jackson Lee sculpture that was removed in Baltimore a few years ago.
So her papers are there too.
So looking at James Earl Fraser's own words, there's absolutely nothing racist at all in the statute.
And there was the notion that he wanted to put Teddy on the horse because he was an excellent equestrian.
And he looked very lively because that's how he looked in real life on a horse.
So, uh, anyhow, I did the research and, uh, looking through the words, there was again, nothing racist.
And I presented it, the, uh, to the committee and I got a thank you from them.
And, uh, then.
I didn't think too much about it because it wasn't one of the pieces that the commission decided to remove.
But they were actually very sly about it.
I was just saying that it was racist,
they felt uncomfortable, the teddies up on a horse, the African and the Native American are alongside But in actual fact, James Earl Fraser wrote they're supposed to be his guides.
And that seemed to have eluded people because the words weren't given to the public.
And then, They also did remove one sculpture, and that was it.
It was a doctor who had carried out racial experiments, and anyhow, that one was removed.
That was it.
But this statue, they kept having demonstrations in front of it, and no one would tell the truth about what was going on with the statue.
So if you like, I can read James Earl Fraser's own words.
Yes, yes, yes.
Do you have that particular statue here in the slide set?
Yes, it's the first one after my photo.
That's a different email, but you should have that.
Sure, this one.
Is there an Indian?
Yeah, there's an Indian in it, and Teddy's on the horse.
Okay, go ahead.
Tell us about it.
Sure.
And I'm very interested in your bringing up that there's a bill before the House of Representatives that we want to turn to after we discuss this statue at TR.
Yes, the bill to possibly remove every Confederate monument in every national battlefield.
It's really pretty preposterous.
Okay, so I'll start reading it.
James will phrase his own words.
Did you find that slide?
Yeah, it's showing, yeah.
Oh, okay.
All right, so... Okay, here's in his notes.
Theodore Roosevelt in this equestrian statue is shown not as the President of the United States, but as the naturalist who has made a notable collection of animal specimens from Africa and America.
Roosevelt rides four.
With his always dynamic and highly enthusiastic manner, the two figures at his side are symbols and are crossed out, and then it says, guides of the continents of Africa and America, and if you choose, may stand for Roosevelt's friendliness to all races.
The mass of the group necessarily is powerful, both to fill the opening of the arch and to be adequate to the scale of the architecture.
The horse has the approximate proportions of Man of War, not as the racer, but the fully grown stallion.
The monument is 16 feet high and is one of the largest equestrians in the world.
And Fraser gets more specific about the horse because he writes to General McCoy on October 4th.
I don't have the date.
It's crossed out apparently.
Professor Osborne wished me to use the general proportions of Man of War.
In fact, there are no pictures of T.R.
on a small pony, but there are many on big horses.
And if you see how massive the horse is, that's what it represents.
It's Man of War as a mature stallion.
Well, T.R.
wasn't a petite guy himself, so he would need a mighty stallion to support him.
I think it was a very appropriate choice.
Do you not?
Oh yes, and people had such admiration for Man of War too.
And the public doesn't even know that Man of War is part of the subject of this beautiful statue.
And then he had also observed T.R.
actually rioting when he had done the bus for him for the U.S.
Senate.
He had been there and at the White House and watched him and he was an expert horseman.
So he says in his notes, well, to sit down while modeling the Senate bus, some afternoons his horse would be brought to the portico of the White House.
He would mount, wave to the windows above, spur his horse, and dash out of the grounds, his arms bowed away from his body with that remarkable look of power, which he seemed to emanate.
At this time, I had, of course, no idea of ever doing an equestrian statue of Tuyar, but a sculptor could have had no better chance to study his subject.
Again, going through all of the notes, I had the librarians looking, and they couldn't find any reference to anything racist whatsoever.
And then, let's see.
But they went ahead and removed the statue anyway?
They haven't removed it yet, and it's going to cost a great deal of money to do that, and also now times are quite terrible for New York.
And to put an expenditure in like that, there isn't even anyone around to protest it.
I mean, the city is... I mean, there are obviously still protests going on, but they've left that statue alone because they decided they were going to remove it.
It's not clear where it's going, and I've heard everything from to a warehouse to the back of the museum, so we just don't know.
I mean, it just seems like such a stupid idea, Patty.
I mean, you know, de Blasio turns out to be a first-class moron, in my estimation.
The idea that he could, you know, jettison 600 undercover police officers who are the, as it were, the pre-crime, that he would allow looting and rioting to go on in New York City.
What does he think is going to be the response of wealthy people who have the resources To live wherever they choose or moving out.
I see cars being loaded.
It's absolutely the case.
And I just saw one today.
People loading up the station wagon.
Well, it's not gonna end, Patty.
In fact, I was listening to a guest on Tucker earlier, before we came on together, and they were explaining how what the coronavirus has enabled people to realize is they don't need to live in the city to perform their work tasks.
That they can do it from anywhere.
So I think the cities Are going to be abandoned en masse.
I mean, there's going to be a massive exodus from the cities and they're going to become rubble.
I mean, it's going to be a disaster, Patty.
And it's the Democrats.
I mean, it's the Democrat governors, the Democrat mayors, whether you're in Seattle, whether you're in Portland, San Francisco, Chicago, New York City.
In my opinion, they have just shot themselves, not just in the foot, but in the head.
Absolutely right.
It's pathetic.
I was just down near the main library, which is 42nd Street off of 5th Avenue, and the Orvis store, which was right across from this library on 5th Avenue, it's still boarded up.
They refused to open because this mayor refuses to protect stores.
He won't send police when there's looting going on.
And although the looting has died down quite a bit, it did its damage.
And stores don't have gates anymore, and they've boarded up.
I mean, what's the point of having a mayor if he's not going to enforce the law to protect businessmen and citizens from criminals?
I mean, these are criminal acts, Patty, and the Democrats don't want to call them out because they're the vanguard of the Democratic voter registration campaign.
But it's an abject failure, even in Washington, D.C.
The extreme left-wing mayor has had to paint over the Black Lives Matter written on the pavement in front of the White House because it's working negatively for the Democratic campaign.
Well, we still have de Blasio.
He's keeping up his Black Lives Matter in front of Trump Tower.
But do you know how much it costs per day?
We figured it out.
The police told me there were 25 extra police just to guard that ridiculous street graffiti.
It costs $8,000 a day extra to keep it there.
And that's taxpayers money.
And the police asked all the people who live nearby and work nearby, they don't want it.
But the Blasio keeps it there.
He only... See, this is what the Democrats want to do for the whole country, Patti, what they've done for New York or Portland or Seattle.
I mean, take a look, America.
Yeah, Portland also, they had a very beautiful statue of an elk.
Somebody set it on fire and that statue is... Is this the statue, Patti, the second in the list?
See I can't see it, I can see you.
That's right, I think it is.
Now that statue is by Roland Hinton Perry and it cost $20,000 in 1900 and that amount today for the whole complex with the fountain is $691,461 and the activists set it on fire.
today for the whole complex with the fountain is 691,461 and the community activists set it on fire it has to be repaired now.
Now those I don't even know if anyone was arrested but certainly people who are arrested for this kind of vandalism they should be made to have their salaries garnished so Something.
Yes.
I couldn't agree more.
Yeah.
I mean, the amount of damage is unbelievable.
Oh yes, up in Rochester recently, there were 13 replicas of this famous statue of Frederick Douglass.
It's right now in Highland Park, it had been elsewhere, and that It shows the celebration of Douglass from his famous speech that he delivered in July 5, 1852.
So they had a celebration in Rochester for that, and they made all these replicas.
Well, somebody pulled down one of the replicas.
Now, what was that for?
It's not that it had tremendous value.
It was only a composite, and then it was painted to look like bronze.
But still, it's damaged.
And that's happening everywhere.
So, also looking at Madison, Wisconsin.
You're in Wisconsin, right?
Yes, yes I am.
Not far from Madison.
Yeah, now your statue of Colonel Hans Christian Hay, who's toppled, and that was $25,000 in 1926.
$358,000 today.
25,000 in 1926, 358,000 today.
I mean, again, this damage, it's public property.
And then they also pulled down the 1893 Jean Pond Milner at the allegory called Forward, Now, these two statues had nothing to do with the Confederate side of the Civil War at all.
In fact, the Hague, he was an abolitionist!
He was supporting Blacks' emancipation from slavery.
So, what sense does it make to take down that statue?
Now, one of the Black protesters interviewed on TV said, we took down the statues because we're not getting social services and no one is paying attention to us.
Well, there is some truth to that.
As a matter of fact, I was telling you about this statement that I have for you.
from Brigadier General retired Parker Hills.
And he writes something very similar to that.
It's called The Art of Commemoration.
He wrote the booklet of the pieces for Vicksburg.
And that's exactly pretty much his finding.
Here's what he writes.
The path of least resistance is the path most often taken.
The right thing to do is always the hardest.
Our modern cities face many difficult problems, such as poverty, crime, and crumbling infrastructures.
However, our elected officials, instead of doing the right thing and tackling these problems, often resort to easier emotional issues, such as art, that some might find offensive.
Limited resources are then frittered away with the goal of destruction instead of production.
The result is that the quality of life of the citizens receives no improvement.
However, their view of art is forever diminished as they see priceless works either being destroyed or moved to places of obscurity and ultimate destruction.
They lose their respect for their art, and that is a tragedy.
Our politicians need to be made to produce and improve our lives, not diminish them.
We need to honor our past, even the parts we do not embrace.
We will surely forfeit our future.
That's to me what the whole statue issue is about.
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You You You You You You You If it is a work of art and some of them that have been pulled down are really quite extraordinary.
It does have an effect and that effect is negative.
And what happens is that you have crime rates going sky high after those statues come down.
And that's the same thing that happened in Baltimore, in New Orleans, and in Memphis.
Patty, let me interrupt you just briefly to tell the truth.
The audience said there's an attempt here to interfere with the show.
I mean, my camera's being closed, you know, the supplemental is being shut down, so I'm going to persist.
If it happens, know that I'm coming back, and Patty and I will both be here.
But that, you know, there are those who would just as soon, I and my guests, we're not in a position to reach out to you with a discussion of these very important and timely subjects.
Let me also add, by the way, my guest on Tuesday, Ron Avery, That's a great deal to say about the Sandy Hook lawsuit, but we had a technical problem that made us unable to connect, including that he had a non-functioning camera on his computer, so we're having to reschedule.
And my apologies to anyone who was here Tuesday and found no show taking place, because I will make amends in the future.
Ron's a very interesting guy with a very good mind and a lot to say.
Patty, please do continue.
So we're up to the sculptures being removed from the town square.
The impact is one of insecurity.
Well, Patti, let me see.
There was one with a pair of horses.
Have we discussed that?
That's one we should discuss.
That's the Laura Garden Fraser Jackson lead piece, and that's 1948 in Baltimore.
And the dedication was done by Nancy Pelosi's father when he was mayor.
And he actually wrote that it's supposed to represent the spirit of reconciliation, which is awesome.
Well, that's certainly something we don't want if we're Democrats, if we're Black Lives Matter, if we're Antifa.
We don't want to talk of reconciliation because we want to bring about a revolution.
I mean, Patty, this is just absurd beyond belief.
Yeah, I happen to agree with you 100% on that.
They don't like the notion of reconciliation.
It's like an anathema to them.
Okay, now, that Now, the question is, I call it a statuicide.
That's a really great piece.
She was a famous animal sculptor, because no one talks about her, or that she was married to James Earl Fraser, who did, as I mentioned before, the TR statue.
Now, what's the result of statues coming down?
I call it statuicides.
Crime goes way up.
So, here are the statistics.
In 2018, the crime rate in Baltimore is on the index of city data, 881, which is three times greater than the U.S.
average.
And it was higher than 99.1% U.S.
cities.
2019 was the second deadliest year in Baltimore's history.
So that's what happened when that piece was taken down.
The following year, the crime shot way up.
Well, it's such a sign of disrespect and lawlessness and unwillingness to conform that, you know, it would inspire the weak-minded to follow the example thereby set.
I mean, it's outrageous.
Yes, it's actually a form of violence, too.
Even if it's taken down by committee, it's still a form of violence to remove a statue.
Then, New Orleans, they had removed this beautiful Beauregard equestrian statue and several others.
That's the photograph with a group here, right?
A group.
Well, there are a whole bunch of people here in this next photograph.
Patty?
That is Richmond, Virginia.
Now, that's the removal of the Stonewall Jackson statue.
That happened fairly recently.
Now, you can see it's all white protesters.
I know, I know, it's ironic.
Black Lives Matter is made up mostly of young white guys and women.
I understand, you know, most members of Black Lives Matter are actually teachers, white teachers.
I think that's true, especially for Seattle.
They showed a whole bunch of teachers getting arrested.
Okay, now is the, oh yeah, Memphis State.
Same thing.
Crime rate went way up.
They put down a beautiful statue.
It was Bedford Forrest, okay, a controversial figure.
But the statue was first rate, and that was taken down.
And in New Orleans, the crime rate went up 98.3%.
2.4 times greater than the US average.
So that's what happens when statues come down.
It doesn't work.
And of course, and of course, The functions of the statues is to remind us of our history and lead us to reflect and to honor and recognize those who have made significant contributions.
And in the case of many of these Confederate statues, it was a form of reconciliation of the northern states.
Acknowledging the role of the leaders of the southern states and not treating them as though they were traitors because they were acting in the sincere belief that what they were doing was right.
It's just as when Trump said about what happened in Charlottesville, which turns out to have been completely contrived, that there were good people on both sides.
What he said was unmistakably the case, because the rioting and all that was stage managed by the governor, Terry McAuliffe, who had the mayor of Charlottesville order the Charlottesville police stand down so he could use the Virginia State Police to channel The peaceful protesters into a violent confrontation with Antifa and Black Lives Matter, who'd been bused in by George Soros, even on the same bus!
And then we had the car crash and all that.
There were two or three takes.
There were two different Dodge Challengers, one with a racing stripe and one without, one with a sunroof, one without.
Two different drivers, the 20-year-old Diagnosed schizophrenic with heavy prescription glasses who was held responsible but who was not driving the car.
It was a 32-year-old veteran from Ohio who commands a battalion of reservists there.
He's very skillful as a driver.
There were two or even three takes, Patty.
The whole damn thing was stage-managed Photoshop fake.
And then Heather Heyer's mother is the same woman who's Sandy Hook.
Very good!
Very good!
That's right!
Donna Brough is supposed to be the mother of Heather Heyer, also played... Brough, what was her first name?
Also played Victoria Soto, the mother of, you know, Donna Soto, the mother of Victoria Soto, a teacher at Sandy Hook.
I know!
Isn't that amazing?
Now, I have some things to tell you about the Charlottesville City Council, because I was writing about their statues.
The protest was about the statues.
Yeah, Robert E. Lee, yes.
So, their city council was very actively trying to pull down their statues, but Virginia military law protects them.
Well, it's a war memorial.
Yes, and it's still being contested.
They're trying to change it.
The governor of the state is now wound up trying to change that and also to take down the one remaining statue of Lee in Richmond.
But the Charlottesville City Council had a huge amount of witnesses going before them before this protest happened.
And one of the witnesses said, a black fellow, he said, we went all through the town.
We used to play as children.
Nobody paid any attention to the statues and nobody thinks anything bad about them.
They had people saying things like that.
And then he says to the city council, and you're trying to do this, pull down the statue.
He was deeply offended by the whole thing.
It's his community and he had pride in it.
And he didn't want the statue done.
Well, it's also destructive of the aesthetic values of the community.
I mean, they had this harebrained down in New Orleans who just took statues down right and left.
And of course, New Orleans is so dependent upon tourism.
And many of the tourists come because it's such a fascinating city from the point of view of history.
So they've locked these all up in, you know, like a warehouse.
I mean, they've got a, you know, fence around so you can't, I mean, it's ridiculous.
No one is even sure if those statues that have come down, if they're bronze, if they haven't been melted down.
Some of the Civil War experts are very leery about where they've taken them.
So that's a problem, too.
Yeah, another theft based upon a theft.
I mean, you know.
That's right.
That's really outrageous.
Yeah.
So then the City Council They decided they'd keep the Jackson statue, which is in another park.
That's a terrific statue, too, by Charles Keck.
But they're still trying to get this Lee statue down, but so far it's not working.
As you said, it's a war memorial and it's protected.
So now, let's go to Richmond.
I think you had that slide up.
That's the Jackson statue being removed.
Oh yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I've still got it up, yeah.
Yeah, now, three years ago, there was a Monument Avenue Commission, and that commission had the mayor, LeVar Stoney, same mayor as now, He seems to have had an idea that he wanted to remove statues, but he was very clever about it.
I mean, this is my analysis.
He went to the different districts and they voted on a possible solution of extending Monument Avenue.
so that on either side there would be perhaps black local heroes or Booker T. Washington on a horse, other subject matter that would have been of interest.
Adding more statues, I can see the point of that.
Yeah, that would have been the perfect solution.
And every district in Richmond more or less voted to do that.
Some with higher numbers than others, and guess what?
They didn't order one statue extra that's supposed to expand the display on Monument Avenue stretching out, and they didn't do it.
So now, later, they waited for an event, and you can make what you want out of the recent events.
Even Charleston, which I don't have a very high opinion of, well, they now have impetus, and these white members of BLM, they sprayed graffiti all over the statues, and the they sprayed graffiti all over the statues, and the American Renaissance blog interviewed the police, The police were told to stand down.
So that's what's happening in all these towns with these mayors who are pro-removed statues, is they want to create an excuse to do it.
So then finally, LeVar Stoney, he gets the impetus and That says it's a public safety thing or whatever, but he did remove everything he could that was on city property.
But apparently the lead that's still remaining is on state property and that's a legal battle still continuing.
Patty, Patty, it's real clear as you're observing, as you're explaining, that this has become totally political, and that the Democrats seem to feel there's some political benefit from taking down these statues, even if the residents of their community, their constituents, want them, not only want them to stay, but want them to add additional statues for the sake of more recent
Events such as honoring women or blacks of distinction, and yet they're not doing it.
What is your surmise about the rationale or motivation for taking such a publicly distasteful, totally dishonest, utterly undemocratic approach?
Well, it is undemocratic because, let's go to the next bit of information here, which is this House bill.
Now, before I start reading a little bit of that, the House bill, I went back and forth with the PR guy, Evan Hollander, for the House Appropriations Committee, and he couldn't come up with any fact that would give them credibility.
And then he throws in.
and white supremacists, I mean, that's ridiculous, should not be honored by the federal government.
Well, they don't have a mandate for that at all.
They have a slightly bigger majority in the House and that's it, but they can't claim to have any rationale or there are just no facts behind what they're saying.
Let me remind the viewers again, there's an effort here to interfere with the show, but I'm going to bring us back.
So if you periodically see the image seem to disappear, remember, I'm going to bring it back, just as I have now.
Please, you know, don't be dismayed.
There are a lot of forces, let's call them, that would just assume we not be addressing these issues.
Patty, continue.
Yeah, you're saying the House itself didn't have a bona fide reason for taking these actions.
No, they don't.
And even what they're saying, it's basically just their political and personal opinion, as it were.
...are demanding that we dismantle the legacy of slavery as captured in the Confederate monuments and flags throughout the country.
These symbols, they celebrate who fought to continue the enslavement of Africans brought to America in chains 401 years ago.
So again, you and I are talking about the reconciliation that these images bring to mind, especially post-Civil War.
So then, okay, then Betty McCollum, Who is actually the person who inserted this provision.
The bill is called HR 7608, which they did pass on July 30th.
And it was put into the House Appropriations Bill.
Okay, this is what she says.
It's a top priority of us here in the House, House Democrats particularly, to make sure that the federal government is not involved to promote people feeling uncomfortable and people feeling intimidated.
Now, what does that mean?
It's not even clear.
Like who?
It's nebulous.
Patty, to use technical language, this is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
Correct.
Okay, now, this is, uh, this is the actual bill.
And also it went to the Senate, and I'll also read in a minute from the press release from the guides at Gettysburg, but the Senate is now debating this bill.
That's Senate 4400.
And I hope that everyone who understands and who hears this will contact their senators to strip out the provision that wants to get rid of all the Confederate monuments and plaques on all the national battlefields.
And this is the language that they're using.
This is hereby established that the Commission on Federal Naming and Displays.
OK, now, 180 days after they make a list, they want to remove things.
And it's going to be made up of two members appointed by the government, the Speaker, the minority, the majority, Senate House, and the secretary of the Smithsonian Institution.
OK, one thing I've learned about studying these different groups and city councils is that they do whatever they want.
and a commission means nothing.
So you cannot trust your bureaucrats to take down statues that may have tremendous artistic or historical value, because they'll do it anyway.
Yeah, just to continue the thoughts I began earlier.
I mean, it reminds us of our history, of our identity, of what we've lived through, where we've come from, the obstacles we've overcome.
So taking down these statues is not only an overtly political act, I think, to try to Create chasms, separation, anxieties, hostilities that did not exist prior to their removal, but to essentially erase or evaporate our history, our identity as a nation.
Patty, I mean, I find this unbelievably distressing.
Yeah, Jim, you're so right.
It's all of those things.
And it's couched in a kind of legal language, like Mayor LeVar Stoney, he found an excuse to take down his statues.
But meanwhile, who's going to visit Richmond?
Richmond had Monument Avenue, extraordinarily beautiful Beaux-Arts statues.
People came from all over the world to see it.
There's nothing left except the Lee statue.
And why go to Richmond?
Okay, the battlefields are of interest.
There's very little left.
Yeah, that's just incredible.
I mean, they're just destroying their own interest as cultural icons.
Exactly.
And the same with New Orleans, as you pointed out earlier.
Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous.
Isn't it?
Just to go down, because it's got a lot of bars, I'm sorry to say, that won't cut it.
I mean, you know, New Orleans used to be a city of immense historical interest, very distinctive and rich in culture.
And they basically annihilated everything they had that would draw tourists to New Orleans.
People who would want to come for a whole host of historical reasons now no longer have a good reason to go there.
Yeah, I mean, they kept the Jackson statue, but they probably want to remove that, too.
That's on their list.
Now, getting back to the battlefields.
A battlefield is, first and foremost, it's actually a graveyard.
And not even the Nazis disturbed monuments and markers and graveyards.
Well, possibly because there was no profit in it, but they didn't.
But meanwhile, the House of Representatives wants to remove everything.
And the licensed battlefield guides at Gettysburg released a press release about this HR 7608 provision.
And now, This is from their press release from Ralph Siegel, Gettysburg Licensed Battlefield Guide.
It would direct the National Park Service to remove all Confederate monuments, memorials, placards, and statues at Gettysburg, Vicksburg, Antietam, Chickamauga, Manassas, Petersburg, Fredericksburg, and 18 other battlefields and historic sites within six and 18 other battlefields and historic sites within six months.
They want to wipe out our history completely and utterly.
These Civil War battlefields and their monuments and plaques have been preserved to help Americans and foreign guests visualize and understand the terrible ordeal that forged this nation.
The monuments at Gettysburg from both sides allow us to interpret this national struggle for freedom as it continues today.
Okay, now there are 1,300 monuments and markers at Gettysburg.
This is actually a Marxist-Socialist, this is cultural Marxism at work, Patty.
This is something that's been done in other nations to destroy their identity as a nation in order to bring about a massive reconstruction of the government.
There are many now of these Extreme left democratic politicians are talking very openly about dumping capitalism, you know, introducing socialism.
It's really truly stunning and I think the American people are beginning to catch on as to what's going on here because it's not even remotely in the public interest.
Well, again, if you destroy tourists from coming to your town, I mean, that is absurd.
Richmond, New Orleans, taking away the Teddy Roosevelt statue, tourists used to come, flock to it, and be photographed at it.
So, I mean, that's all true.
But isn't it worse than Marxism?
I just find that Marxism I don't think that's adequate to really describe what it is.
Very good.
Very good, yeah.
These are like the equivalent of Mongolian hordes descending.
You might as well have Attila the Hun.
I mean, it's outrageous what's going on here.
It's a slaughter of American culture and it's happening with the support of Democratic politicians.
It is.
But, okay, now you've got another problem.
Some of the Republicans are joining in the provision that's going before the Senate.
They also want to rename the 10 Confederate officers or whatever.
Trump's already declared he's not going to go along with that.
And while they might get some Republican support to pass a bill, they won't get enough to overcome his veto.
So I think they're setting this up for a veto.
They're going to try to make, you know, demonize Trump as a racist for not going along with these completely absurd proposals.
So what they've done is create a massive political straw man.
They're making up a phony argument and then when Trump debunks it or denies what they're trying to do based upon this phony argument, they're going to try to use it to attack him.
Right.
But unfortunately with this bill, as it was passed by the House, now it's going before the Senate, He can't exactly veto it because they need to strip the provision out for the basis and the naming and all that.
But that has to come out because it funds the government and it funds foreign services.
The agriculture bill is a gigantic amount of funding and apparently to veto it would mean to deny the funding.
So it's apparently not a good thing.
Well, I have enough confidence in Mitch McConnell.
He's not going to let this happen.
That's a very astute political figure.
One of the most competent majority leaders ever to run the United States Senate.
I mean, you know, he is so shrewd, Patty.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
And so discerning.
I don't think he's going to let this fiasco come to pass.
Yeah.
Well, anyhow, it is quite pathetic.
I'm really glad you brought up the bill because it bears so heavily on all these issues.
The idea that a major political party in the United States would be actively pursuing the destruction of American culture, history, and identity is, to me, just boggles the mind.
But look at all the young people that are whipped up into a frenzy by it, who are giving them justification to do it.
Now that's a bizarre phenomenon.
It is, and I think it's a reflection of the failure of our educational system.
I think there's been too much social promotion.
I think political correctness has run amok.
It's really imposed a harness on thinking seriously about government and exercising your critical faculties because you're being suppressed.
You're not being allowed to draw certain obvious distinctions and make certain blatantly obvious arguments.
It's pathetic, Patty.
It's a form of censoring the mind, you know.
It's just grotesque.
Right.
So, I've got the military bases here.
Sure.
Now, some of them, you're a vet, and you're going to recognize that these were highly significant places where people trained for World War II.
Okay, Fort Bending, Fort Bragg, Fort Hood, Fort Lee, Fort Rucker, Fort Gordon, Fort Pickett, Fort Pope, Camp Beauregard, and Fort 18 Hill.
Well, the first four or five are among our most important military bases in the United States.
Right.
Those are U.S.
Army bases, but I mean, they really are absolutely central.
And the idea of renaming them for some, you know, mystical reason that really doesn't bear scrutiny is just It's deplorable.
Deplorable.
This is manufacturing a crisis.
That's what this whole thing is about, Patty.
Manufacturing an artificial crisis because the Democrats have never accepted the results of the 2016 election.
And they believe, I think mistakenly, that trying to foment and aggravate race relations in the United States is going to benefit them politically in November.
I am convinced it's not going to work.
...and say even Biden, she does not have a very good rapport with audiences when she speaks.
She's got some kind of hostility that makes her, to me, not acceptable as a politician or public figure.
I don't want to listen to her when she speaks.
Well, a friend of mine who's deeply into politics here in Wisconsin asked me, Did I know how many Democratic candidates remained in the primary contest after Kamala dropped out?
And it was like 15!
In other words, there are 15 other candidates in the Democratic race who did better than Kamala.
So what in God's name is Joe Biden doing picking her?
Well, I think that she must have been preordained to be there.
Because, you know, what's the point?
She had, like, two to seven percent support.
That was it, right?
Very low.
Yeah, that's right.
She only ever got two or three percent.
She comes from California.
Obviously, Kamala Harris is not going to help Biden take California.
If he can't take California without Kamala, he doesn't have a prayer anyway.
And she has a terrible record as a prosecutor.
She was grossly abusive.
She did nothing to benefit She was harsh on criminals, even ones who were shown to be innocent of their crimes.
She was ruthless.
She incarcerated some 1,500 to 2,000 for marijuana offenses and then later laughed about it when asked if she smoked joints herself.
Right.
I just feel she's not an appealing candidate.
And even Woodenhead and Biden is better because he's a little bit softer spoken.
Of course, Obama was the best.
No matter what he did that you didn't like, you had to accept his speaking style was pretty amazing.
Yes, yes, yes.
He was a great candidate.
I mean, look, I mean, I regard myself as an independent, but most of my life I voted Democratic, and I voted twice for Bill Clinton, and I voted twice for Barack Obama, and that was largely my assessment of the alternatives.
I could never have voted for John McCain.
Or Mitt Romney, who continues to disgrace himself.
He's apparently working against Ron Johnson as a senator from Wisconsin, here where I reside, getting John Brennan and James Clapper to testify before the Senate of their involvement in the effort to sabotage the Trump campaign and administration.
Mitt Romney is working against Ron Johnson, bringing them to account before the Congress.
That's amazing.
And actually, I'm with you.
I voted for Clinton twice and Obama the same.
Absolutely.
Well, I still regard myself as a JFK, FDR Democrat, but the meaning of that has changed totally.
Trump's Republican Party is more Democratic, more populist, more committed to benefiting the people of the United States than the Democrats by any measure.
Right.
It's just astounding, Patti!
Yeah.
I 100% agree on that.
Did you want to turn to the next statue?
It's one I'm not very familiar with.
We seem to have the Earth being supported by a massive... Is that Abraham Lincoln?
No, it says Maury.
Yeah, that's Maury, who was a naval engineer He actually did not fight in the Civil War.
That's one of the... Look at that interesting, amazing statue.
That was removed.
This statue has been removed?
Yeah, Richmond.
Richmond.
Patty, my God!
Yes.
For what possible reason?
I mean, nobody's even heard of the guy.
What political significance could it possibly have?
Well, LeVar Stoney wanted to remove everything, and he did.
It was as simple as that.
And he was the mayor at the time?
He still is.
He's the mayor of Richmond.
Wow!
How do the residents of Richmond view a mayor who took away their most precious treasure, what made Richmond special and worth visiting, as it were, at a single stroke?
Look, Patty, that's got to be a hot topic in Richmond.
Patty, are you there?
Thank you.
Patty, are you there?
Yeah, Patty, we lost you there.
We didn't get your last couple sentences.
Please repeat.
I just said, you know, that's got to be a hot topic in Richmond.
Yeah, I see it.
Actually, it's been popping up.
It says your internet connection is unstable.
So I see there's been some kind of interference.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, consider it a compliment.
There's been more interference in our conversation tonight than I've had in the past, believe it or not.
Oh, okay.
Well, that is a compliment.
Okay, now, so that statue came down already.
Okay, now, what's the next one up?
Oh, it's the Indians, some of whom I think were Oh, okay, now we're up to the Washington Redskins.
Well, we're not quite there, but we're working our way.
Okay, so is it... Is it two different Indians, one with a headdress, one without, who I think may have been one of the models?
Oh, okay, that's the same person.
That's the Cheyenne Two Moons.
Okay.
I think that's correct, yeah.
Tell us about him.
You just wanted to point out that he was the model for the Redskin logo?
Yes, there were three famous Indian chiefs who were models for James Earl Fraser's Buffalo coin, and that was from 1913.
Now that's the same sculptor as the Teddy Roosevelt statue in New York that's already on the chopping block to come down.
You mean the next image?
Yeah, we have the sculptor, yes.
Okay, so that's James Earl Fraser in his studio.
Now that photograph was so tiny in the American Museum of Natural History exhibit.
It was unbelievable.
They had a four-foot photograph of a young black girl saying she didn't like the statue, but the sculptor was relegated to about a one-foot high small photograph.
Patty, what's going on there?
What do you think is going on there?
Well, the exhibit, you know, if you think about the Natural History Museum, it's an anthropology museum.
It's supposed to use cultural relativity, and of course it never used that in their analysis of the Teddy Roosevelt statue.
Patty, we got a request.
If there's some way you can turn up your audio a little stronger, that would be good.
Okay, let's see if I can do that.
Or maybe just move closer to the microphone.
Oh, is this better?
Yes.
Okay, so is that working?
Yes.
Okay, now the museum exhibit for the Teddy Roosevelt statue was made up of
Huge photographs of people mostly saying very negative things about the statue, saying it's racist and this and that, but they refuse to have anything but this tiny little phrase of James Earl Fraser saying that the Teddy Roosevelt statue is supposed to be, he's got the African and the Do you want me to go down to the coin?
as guides.
Okay, this tiny little phrase, but they could have had the Buffalo coin, which is actually the Washington Redskins logo, and they could have talked about that because, again, there was nothing racist about Fraser.
The Buffalo coin had three famous cheats posing for him for this coin.
Do you want me to go down to the coin?
Sure.
Okay, and then we'll come back to the logo, but we're looking at the coin with a Buffalo on one side and the Indian face on the other.
Right.
Now that was sculpted by, the relief was done by Fraser in 1913, and the sheeps who posed for it, it was a composite of them, and that's on purpose.
The Cheyenne Two Moons, who participated in the Battle of Little Bighorn, The Ogallalakota Chief Irontail, who performed with Buffalo Bill, and the Kiowa Chief Andouette, also known as Big Tree.
And very interestingly, there also was a famous sculpture, if you scroll down a bit you'll get to it, The End of the Trail.
Do you see that?
Well, I have a Confederate general, it doesn't look like The End of the Trail, but that looks like Jefferson Davis to me.
But we do have the Indian, you know, we have the Redskins logo.
I'm showing that right now, Patti.
Okay.
Well, there's also a sculpture in the slides of an Indian slumped over.
It's called End of the Trail.
It's one of Fraser's very famous sculptures.
The Seneca chief, John Bigtree, who was later an actor, and he made over 60 movies, he boasted that he was the model of the coin from the forehead to the lip.
But in actual fact, he was one of the models in End of the Trail.
And he was saying that something that wasn't true, and Fraser had to correct him.
But it just shows that these, These Indian chiefs wanted to pose for him, and they considered it an honor.
So, the complete opposite of what the exhibit in the museum was saying, basically, about Fraser.
Yeah, I'm very sorry I missed the slide about the end of the trail, because it is a very haunting image.
Yes, it's a famous one.
The horse looks as depleted as does the Indian.
That's right.
And Fraser grew up out west, and he was taught to carve by Native Americans.
And then he later went to study in Paris and in Chicago.
So he was classically trained, but he was taught by them.
And as he was growing up, he saw the Indians being pushed off their land, and that upset him greatly.
So he also saw the railroad disturbing their lands.
So he was very much in their camp and on their side.
So there's no way that the Indian chief in the sculpture has any racist connotations.
Patty, why would anyone think in the world that this logo, which actually is honoring Indians, should be interpreted as a racist and abolished?
Well, it is again this agenda to take down anything that's American, basically.
I see it that way.
It is back to this idea of destroying culture.
I think that's exactly right.
Exactly right.
It is impoverishing our lives by having these taken away.
They even got rid of Aunt Jemima's syrup and Uncle Ben's rice, Patty!
Well, the worst one was Cream of Wheat, which just had a chef with a chef's hat, even though it was a black chef.
And it wasn't even, it didn't say uncle or aunt or anything.
It just was, apparently it was a real chef that was used for the model.
And the Aunt Jemima, the women who had posed at the World's Fair and different places making pancakes, they were very proud of their job.
And the families that are connected to these logos are very upset that they're disappearing.
Oh, I couldn't agree more!
They're 100% correct!
Yeah, and it's the same with Land of Lakes Butter.
There was a Native American who had designed the Indian princess that was the logo for that.
I guess it's the grandsons by now, but they're very upset too that that's disappeared.
Look how they're using this charge of racism as an all-purpose club, as a tool to destroy American culture.
Well, that's it.
You see, this is the word that should be used.
It's not a race culture.
It's destroy culture.
And it is violence.
There is a violence to it.
Yeah, they're calling it cancel culture.
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