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July 24, 2020 - Jim Fetzer
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Start recording on Zoom, and now I'm gonna bring us back in again.
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Fetz Presents, where I'm extremely pleased to have as my featured guest tonight a woman who is a professor of law, but also an expert on a number of subjects of immense interest to the American people, including the godfathers of sex abuse, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, and Jeffrey Epstein on
Well, thank you so much for having me.
a dynamo.
I think of her as Dina the Dynamo, having interviewed her enough now to get the idea.
I'm just ecstatic to have you here tonight, Dina.
- Well, thank you so much for having me.
It's always fun. - Yeah, I'm completely delighted.
Let me read a part of this report here.
Loretta Pretzka, U.S.
District Judge in Manhattan, ruled that the vast majority of more than 80 documents from a 2015 lawsuit against Maxwell, and this is regarding just laying Maxwell, by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts, now Virginia Roberts Guffrey, should be released.
Her team argued that the documents contain extremely personal material that could be embarrassing or annoying if they were unsealed.
However, Pretzka said that the right of the public to know what was in the documents completely outweighed Maxwell's demand to keep them closed.
And of course, I mean, how trivial that you might be embarrassed by, you know, significant legal documents in a case like this.
Well, Cosby's attorney made the same argument when they sought to unseal the civil deposition from Andrew Constand's case.
And they said this could embarrass him.
He's already the subject of ridicule for all the rape allegations.
The court said, well, that's too bad.
Basically, you've got a very serious public issue going on here.
And another thing the court said in that case was that since Cosby continued to hold himself out as a black moralist, and he'd admitted in the deposition to using Quaaludes to get sex from women, the court said because he did that, because he went out proclaiming himself as something very different than he was, that that was one of the reasons why the court unsealed the transcript from the civil matter.
Well, Dina, the Cosby case is so sordid, where he gave them what?
Qualudes to become unconscious?
And then perform various sexual acts upon them?
I mean, good God!
Yeah, I don't know of any adult male who would derive any pleasure from something like that.
I mean, every...
If I were to have sex with a woman, I want her to be enthusiastic about having sex with me.
The idea of dealing with an unconscious body is unappealing in the extreme.
Weren't you staggered the more you got into it?
Well, you know, when I started reading the accounts of the women, first of all, I think he used different drugs.
I think Quaaludes was one of them, and the doctor he was getting them from, and I think L.A.
had a lot of problems with his own too, and I think he had problems with his own license to practice medicine and all that, but he, you know, he got Quaaludes and then maintained them, kept them for years after they were made illegal.
He admitted all that, I think though he used other things as well.
I think sometimes he used some kind of an antihistamine that was really powerful mixed with drugs.
He'd slip certain things into women's drinks sometimes.
And he didn't have one particular thing he did.
I think he just improvised with whatever drugs he had.
And he had some knowledge about what worked.
This is, you know, Bill Cosby is a smart man.
And so he had enough knowledge to know how to put them out.
But Andrea Constance said she couldn't move.
And other women's the same thing is, you know, some were sort of aware of what was going on.
They tried to fight back and couldn't.
Some actually literally passed out, then woke up to evidence that they had been raped.
So yeah, that for me is so hard to believe that someone would want to be, you know, with someone who was, you know, not enthusiastic like you say.
Well, this is on the order of necrophilia!
You know, having sex with dead people!
Very similar, exactly.
Yeah, I don't know, there's a lot of weird people out there.
I can tell you there's, I've been hearing, now that my books are out and people are more aware that I'm I'm willing to take cases.
I'm, you know, familiar with the case law now and the limitations have been wiped out in some states or extended in a very large amount in other states.
So there's cases coming my way and I'm hearing story after story.
It's not uncommon.
Using drugs is not uncommon.
Slipping drugs to women is not uncommon.
It's actually become very common and it's That's why they're called date-rape drugs, because the women sometimes are not themselves.
With the testosterone-based drugs, for example, The women behave like, you know, young, you know, 20-year-old men.
I mean, they behave in ways they would never behave.
And the other side effect is they don't remember a lot of it, in some cases.
I remember Jamie Lee Jones's case and hearing about that.
And she did not remember what happened to her.
And that's one of the reasons why the date rape drugs are so effective, because the women don't have a memory and they can't even testify to what took place.
Gad.
But some of them, you're saying, actually were conscious enough to realize that they were paralyzed.
They couldn't do anything to resist while he went about his sordid acts.
One picked up a lamp and was able to kind of halfway throw it, but she just lost, she just couldn't really do much.
You could either describe being partly paralyzed at the time and unable to do much at all.
One started cussing him out and then basically passed out in the middle of cussing him out, she said.
So, and yeah, it's like, it's kind of weird how a man would want to, you know, be in that situation to begin with.
It really makes you wonder about Cosby's mental health.
Oh, yeah.
Well, same with Weinstein.
Weinstein was a really weird person, too.
Very disturbed.
And Epstein, I mean, I'm sorry, Epstein's a complete sociopath.
I mean, completely off his rocker.
What I heard about Weinstein was, you know, of course he was exploiting these young actresses, he could control their careers, give them parts, not give them parts if they were.
You know, cooperative.
I understood he treated Gwyneth Paltrow as a virtual sex slave.
I mean, that's the story I get about Gwyneth.
But I've also heard that Harvey might be a hermaphrodite, that he had a very small penis, but he also had a vagina.
Did you pick up on this?
I did hear that.
I heard that, I think, after my book was already in press, so I wasn't really sure about that.
What I knew from at the time that I did the research was that he had trouble.
He was not of, you know, he had these drugs he took to injections, I guess, to get an erection.
He had a lot of problems with his sexuality.
Same with Jeffrey Epstein.
The only one who didn't seem to have problems in that regard was Bill Cosby.
But he had other problems, obviously.
So, yeah, I don't know what was wrong with Weinstein, but I noticed that with both Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, they had problems down there.
They had problems with erections or problems with getting fully erect.
And so I wonder about what their needs really stem from.
I think they had some inferiority complexes going on and wanted to prove themselves over and over by, you know, by being with so many women sexually.
And it just doesn't work that way.
No one ever, I don't think, feels good about themselves from doing that.
But I think that's what they were trying to do.
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Yes.
Yes, because I muted while I was taking the call, which maybe I ought not to have done anyway.
So let's just go ahead and we'll just put it all up.
We'll put the show up on, you know, when we're done.
It's just that we would not have the commentators or questions from the audience, but I'm sure we'll be able to.
It can be a blooper show now.
It can be a blooper.
Yeah, you were actually commenting about the...
Sexual development of Harvey Weinstein?
Well, he and his brother both had a lot of problems with bullying, and they say that his brother was even worse than he was, Robert Weinstein, but that Harvey had the bigger sexual issues.
But, you know, they were bullies growing up, so I think they came from a rather dysfunctional household, and that bullying, you know, The way that Harvey Weinstein was to begin with, I think, just played out with women in a different way.
He was mean to men, too.
He bullied men, yelled at men, humiliated men, chewed them out, called them idiots, that kind of thing, all the time.
And with women, his bullying was a little different.
It became sexual with women.
But he also yelled at people, too.
Women, too, sometimes.
But he just was blustering.
You know, I think of the Tasmanian devil that, you know, zips around and just everything in his path just becomes destroyed.
That's kind of who he was.
And of course there was a the time that he attacked Andrew Goldman and you know pulled him down a flight of stairs out into the street of New York and you know beat him up and there was cameras flashing all over the place and Rebecca Traister was there as that was Andrew's girlfriend at the time and He got mad because she'd asked a question about why the movie, Oh, wasn't released.
And it was a political reason.
And Harvey Weinstein just went off on her and then beat up her date.
How bizarre is that?
Well, just when he yelled out, this tape has now become fairly famous because he told her it wasn't his movie, it was his brother's movie, which is not true.
And so she just kind of walked away.
And then as she was putting herself away, she didn't believe him, but at least she had her, you know, her little quote for him for the movie.
He came back and said, you can't use that.
And she then turned on the microphone and held it up to him.
And that enraged him.
He's like, who let this C word into this party?
Screamed it out.
And then he screamed out the really famous words, you know, it's a good thing I'm the effing sheriff of this effing piece of S town or whatever he said.
Um, so basically what he was saying, basically, is I can do whatever I want, and I can tell the reporters, you're not using this.
And he did tell the reporters, no one is publishing these photos.
And if you do, you'll never ever sell a photo again.
And everyone abided.
And Rebecca went to her boss, and he said, don't write about this.
You know, Harvey's Russia.
He's not going anywhere.
And she said it was surprising that the next day, there was not one photo published of him beating up Andrew Goldman, when there were hundreds of flashes going on at the time in the street.
He pulled him down the stairs of the hotel all the way into the street and kept pounding his head in.
Good God!
Oh, and when he grabbed him, he hit him so hard that his recorder, because Andy pulled out his recorder too, and that enrages someone who is trying to say, I don't want to be on record, and they hold the mic up to your face.
That makes people mad.
But he hit him so hard that the recording device flew out of his hands and hit another woman in the face.
And I guess she has some kind of an ongoing injury from that.
So that's sort of a quintessential Harvey Weinstein story.
It's assault and battery, even aggravated assault and battery, it sounds to me.
I mean, he ought to be sentenced to five years just for that alone!
But here's the problem, no one would testify, no reporter would publish anything and this is how these people get away with it.
They make people afraid to testify and it's really frustrating to me because even in just your regular lawsuit sometimes you have people who saw things and they don't want to testify.
It's not even a case against Harvey Weinstein, it's just a general case and people are so fearful of our system today.
They're fearful of being retaliated against for telling the truth.
So I tell my husband sometimes it's like we live in this society of cowards or people don't have You know, the guts to just do their civic duty and testify as needed.
And I think that's a really growing problem.
Everyone's afraid of something happening to them.
And look at Judge Salas, what happened to her family.
Yeah, yeah.
With her son murdered and her husband shot.
I mean, she hadn't even done anything on the case yet.
And then I... Give me your interpretation of what the hell's going on there.
Well, I mean, it's like what went on in Mexico and what went on, you know, probably in the 70s in New York.
I mean, you've got mob rule, basically.
This country's become so overrun with organized crime.
That's what I would call it.
Jeffrey Epstein, that's organized crime.
Harvey Weinstein, that's organized crime.
That's why he was sued by Rose McGowan for racketeering, because what he and his lawyers did is racketeering.
They got together and they together decided to commit various criminal acts, spying on Rose McGowan, taking her proprietary manuscript under false pretenses and things like that.
So I think what's happening in this country, to a large degree, is we have become almost like Mexico, where our government officials are so afraid of of the bad guys that they're afraid to do anything.
And with Judge Solace, I think what happened was, she had a backbone.
The minor's saying she has a backbone, and so she's not gonna really back down to these people.
And so they came to her house and blew away her son, her 20-year-old boy, and nearly killed her husband.
And luckily, she was down in the basement.
But someone got online and said, well, what's the big deal?
Can't they just reassign the case if she's afraid?
And someone else went online, who is going to take that case?
What federal judge wants to have that risk?
And then there's, of course, all these comments about whether the man who shot her Yeah, me too.
I mean, he winds up dead after all.
Right.
It's a little too convenient.
In fact, it could have been a different shooter altogether, and then this guy is independently killed.
I mean, it's that... there are that many loose ends here.
I mean, you think of the whole Lee Harvey Oswald and all the other instances in which everything's, all the loose ends are tied up.
Isn't that miraculous?
And now we have nowhere to go with it.
But oftentimes, I mean, I would have, this man used to work for Kroll.
I guess apparently he was an attorney too.
Kroll is one of the entities that Harvey Weinstein hired and Black Cube.
These are private, former military, private investigators.
And very expensive and very high end.
Oftentimes they were, you know, from the Israeli military in the past and very, very well trained.
So very good at their jobs.
And so this guy worked for them.
He has, you know, he knows what he's doing, so to speak, although it was pretty audacious.
Five o'clock in the afternoon in broad daylight, he just does that.
So then he supposedly goes somewhere else and then they, they find him dead with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
But the, but the newspaper had self-inflicted in quotes, like they didn't believe it either.
And that way they said it's self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Like, what does that mean?
Why'd they put it in quotes?
And that told me that somebody didn't believe it was self-inflicted.
I would have ventured to guess that he was going to get paid a lot of money for that hit.
And that he, you know, then took off probably waiting to get his bundle.
And then instead now he's dead.
I mean, I don't know.
None of us know.
That's one of the things I say in these books is that we don't even know what took place anymore because we're, Because there's so much nonsense, so much fraud, so many fake stories that we don't even know who's behind trying to shoot Judge Sauls or shooting her family.
And we don't know because we know we really can't trust the news.
And we know also that the really bad guys, they have a scapegoat.
They always do.
They have some story to hide what they really did.
And that's happening all the time.
Was her husband able to identify this as the gunman?
I think he's still in critical condition.
I did not hear that he had come out of it.
I don't know.
I don't know, but that would sure be nice if he wasn't wearing a mask, and I don't know that either.
We just haven't heard much about it, and I really haven't been following up on that story too well.
I've been doing other things.
It's a matter of speculation, but you imagine the shooter was actually there after the judge, and it just happened that the son and the husband were there, and probably wouldn't grant him access.
Maybe after the judge, but I also think that his intent was to shoot anybody he could, kill anybody he could, because no matter who he kills in her household, that's going to affect her.
It's going to send the message, yes.
Of course.
I mean, I don't know what she's going to do with the case now.
I hope she doesn't recuse herself.
The damage has already been done, but At the same time, I could see why she would.
And so whether she's alive or dead, you know, she may not want the case now.
And that's what they're after.
They want someone they can manipulate.
She has integrity, as I understand it.
That's why they were so worried about her.
And something else I said in a comment online was that goes to my second book, this one, the second book.
This has a section called The Penumbras of Me Too, and I talk about all the ways that women are abused and harassed that aren't always sexual assault.
There's a lot, just a ton of other ways that women are harassed.
And I also talk about how black women and Latina women are also greater targets than your average white woman, just because When a racial minority status intersects with being female, it's called intersectionalism, and they're more at risk for rape, for a lot of things.
And here was a really attractive Latina woman, and I think that that, if anything, might have made her what I would call a softer target.
Whether they would have done the same thing to a white man, I don't know.
They may have just, because if the white man had integrity and they wanted to shut him down, they might have done the same thing.
But it struck me as, here's a woman who's also a minority, and I call them the soft targets because they're more, people have less resistance, I would say, to going after, because they're perceived as less powerful.
Historically, they've had less money, less power, and so they tend to be, The ones more often targeted for sexual abuse, rape, whatever it is.
And one of the things they talk about too is how when black or Hispanic women become powerful, they're slandered terribly.
I mean, it's a real problem.
And women are, professional women are slandered, attractive women are slandered, but when they are a minority as well, they seem to be slandered even You know, in a worse way.
And so, you know, this is a woman who's very powerful, very smart, and achieved a federal judge position.
So I think that there are those people among us who would want to shut her down just because of who she is.
You mentioned the film O at one point.
Could you go back and elaborate on that?
What was going on there?
I heard something about it, but it's all so vague in my recollection.
It was a very, very violent film.
And the actors were young, and there's a bunch of really interesting actors in the film.
And when it was ready to be released and distributed, everyone was waiting for it.
It should have had a lot of fanfare.
It should have been a big deal.
Instead, it just wasn't released.
And the owners of the film were like, what's going on?
You know, Weinstein, of course, was in charge.
And they said, what's going on here?
And they couldn't get an answer.
So that's when Rebecca went to this party with Andrew Goldman and approached Harvey Weinstein and said, what's going on?
She had a theory that the Gora Lieberman ticket at that time had a strong following of gun control.
And Harvey Weinstein, of course, was a big Democrat, big Democratic donor.
And her theory was Or the theory out there was that he wasn't going to release the film because for him to release it just before the election, it could make people feel like, well, gosh, you know, look at this extremely violent film that could trigger violence like copycat crimes released by a big Democrat.
And it seems to undermine the Gore Lieberman agenda, which is to, you know, tone down violent crime by whatever means possible, including through gun control.
So, you know, She thought maybe that's why he's not releasing it, and I think he picked up on that.
And Harvey Weinstein is smart.
I think he figured out where she was going, and that's why he shut her down like that and beat up her boyfriend.
But it was released after the election.
It was released after the election.
Yes.
So we know now the election was decided by the Supreme Court.
Really won justice because of the 5-4 decision.
But I think that's... She's probably right with the idea with being that... So we're talking about Bush Gore?
Yes, yes, yes.
2000.
So, I think what happened was the film was being held back, you know, inappropriately and by the investors, you know, which is not fair to the investors, because of Harvey Weinstein's agenda in trying to help the Gorley Women ticket and not to have this controversy as the election approaches.
It looks to me as though his Sexual exploitation of these actresses was rather extensive, that there are hundreds on the list.
I mean, correct me if that's an exaggeration, but it seems to me a guy who's getting off on, you know, exploiting his power over these, for the most part, beautiful young women, once he begins to find he's able to pull it off, he's not going to stop.
Well, and he, this is the weird thing about Weinstein.
He had like, I was telling one of my former law professors, um, that he had like different levels of coercion based on what kind of power the women had.
So he had, you know, with, with someone like in Gwyneth Paltrow, what I heard was that he had, you know, attempted to, um, be sexual with her and, and she declined and he just chewed her out for two hours.
And Brad Pitt, who was her boyfriend at the time, Basically, I think he threatened to kill him.
So, if you ever do that to Gwyneth again, you're a dead man or something like that.
So, I didn't know... Brad Pitt came to Gwyneth's defense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Brad Pitt is a... Brad Pitt is... He's kind of like the guys I grew up with, you know, my hometown.
Kind of rugged, you know.
I think he would not put up with that kind of thing.
He's... He's a good guy.
I have a very favorable impression of Brad Pitt on all kinds of grounds.
So, you know... Yeah, I've always liked him.
He seems like a straight shooter.
He seems like the kind of guy who would...
Who would beat someone up?
Who attacked or harassed his girlfriend?
So I wasn't surprised to hear that.
Where some of the other ones, you know, who were like born with a silver spoon, they're just, oh, they're above that.
They would never do that.
Brad Pitt, I think, would take matters into his own hands.
But it's kind of strange to me why he didn't do more about Harvey Weinstein.
And also Matt Damon, surprisingly.
I've always been a big fan of Matt Damon.
He's so smart.
So talented.
And he, you know, he didn't really, no one did anything.
I mean, the problem was Harvey Weinstein was, you know, the passageway to everything.
And if you didn't go through Harvey, you weren't going to get there.
So back to these different tiers of abuse.
When it was somebody who was an unknown, let's say, he would flat out rape them.
Because the idea was, they want money, they're a nobody, whatever.
When it came to people who were more famous, like Uma Thurman, she fought back and he let her go.
I mean, he's a lot bigger than her.
She's very, very lean.
But she fought back and, you know, and he eventually just let her go.
And then there's the in-between situations with women who maybe were coming up and becoming actresses, but weren't quite there yet.
So the level of coercion depended on who the person was.
On some occasions, people who were lesser known women, He would actually negotiate with them.
One of his assistants, somehow he got her to share a bed with him.
I guess she was naive and thought, well, maybe, you know, he's just wanted to save money in a hotel.
And he said something really stupid like that.
But he finally, um, essentially jumped on her and said, look, it's five minutes of your time.
Do you really want to ruin your career for five minutes?
And he said something similar to, um, an Asian woman.
He said, I've never been with an Asian before.
I really want to be with you or whatever.
He's like, look, it's five minutes of your time.
Uh, so the same thing to, um, Ambra Batalana Gutierrez and that was on, on audio tape because she had gotten an audio tape hooked up, um, by the, uh, police in New York and had him on audio tape, which is one of the big things against Cy Vance because he had that audio tape and instead of using it, He went after Amber.
And she never got a modeling job again.
I mean, they really went after her and said things about her that, you know, weren't even fair.
She was at some weird bunga bunga party or whatnot, I think in Italy.
And she left and she wouldn't call the authorities.
She wasn't an underage prostitute.
And they did have underage prostitutes there.
Apparently I wasn't there, obviously.
So I'm just saying what I've heard.
But her career was just targeted and she was abused.
And luckily she did get a $1 million settlement out of it.
So at least she had some money, but her career is just gone.
And who knows where she would have been.
She's a beautiful young lady.
And so hard to say where she would have been, but for the scuffle with Weinstein Well it's interesting you mentioned Cy Vance because he's got a primary right now where his opponent is raking in the dough and Cy Vance can't scrape together a few thousand bucks.
I've been saying for months he needs to be out and he also helped Jeffrey Epstein.
He sounds like a complete scumbag.
He's a he's just he's he's a he's a hired gun whoever pays him it sounds like you know whoever has the money he He looks like a person who, you know, probably grew up privileged and just never really gained a backbone or gained any strong character.
And so my impression of him is really bad.
He went into a judge, after Epstein was convicted, and he started arguing to the judge that they should reduce him from whatever class offender he was to a lower class offender.
The judge was astounded.
The judge, you know, I got the second hand.
I read about it later.
I have never seen a prosecutor or anyone argue for the criminal who's already been convicted.
And she denied his request, but Cy Vance has helped both Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein.
that I found really disturbing.
And of course-- - Doesn't that suggest he's been a beneficiary of Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein in various ways that they were able to accommodate his-- - Yes, I had details in my first book about Cuomo's behavior involved in all that.
Andrew, Andrew, the governor?
Yes, you know, there was an investigation open, then it, you know, was closed down because side fans decided to go ahead and prosecute Robert Weinstein.
Well, he didn't have a choice and the public pressure was, um, so high at that point and I don't really see that as, as, you know, he had to do it.
So that doesn't mean he did the right thing.
He just was pushed into doing it.
And there's an investigation that had been started into Vance, into what he did, and then Cuomo called that off.
But the law firm's involved in helping Harvey Weinstein.
He'd given him a bunch of money.
It's all in my book.
It's complicated.
But yeah, these guys, these New York representatives, seem to have no integrity.
And should probably all be out of office.
And I don't know if you caught the Bobby Candy Jr.
vs. Alan Dershowitz vaccine debate today.
I started and they gave, you know, some clips of each of them saying things back and forth.
I felt Dershowitz was on the defensive and he was being very sly to try to drop Bobby by asking him questions like, don't you wear a mask?
I mean, you know, I did not get a favorable impression of Alan Dershowitz.
Well, he doesn't seem to come prepared.
You know, and they didn't really even discuss the constitutional law, which I found really, I think that's, but this is the thing.
Constitutional law in these cases does come down to the medical facts.
And the medical facts, I mean, Bobby Kennedy had it all over Alan Dershowitz.
Alan Dershowitz didn't know What an idiot!
kept saying, well, as long as the vaccines are known to be safe and effective, therein lies the rub.
None of them are.
What an idiot.
None of those vaccines are known to be safe and effective.
None of them.
I mean, smallpox, that one was much more so than the ones of today.
Well, first of all, you have a much more deadly disease of smallpox.
You had a vaccine that had been tested for over 100 years.
You had all these studies from all around the world where troops had been inoculated, vaccinated, both actually, but with the vaccine and it was working.
And there was all these statistics that the Supreme Court cited in footnote one of Jacobson versus Massachusetts explaining how we know that the smallpox vaccine was very effective.
Yes, it did hurt people, but it killed maybe one in a million or two million, whatever it was.
I mean, all vaccines have caused problems for some people, but in that context with the very high death rate and the very high efficacy rate, that's why the court didn't give Mr. Jacobson his $5 back.
He still didn't have to get vaccinated.
And keep in mind, Jacobson was running around society.
He wasn't staying in his home and kind of staying out.
He was running around, doing his thing, Possibly, you know, exposing us, whatever the case is, and didn't think he should have to pay a fine for it.
He just felt, because back then, the turn of the 20th century, we had a much stronger view of liberty.
And remember, we got away from a country, people who came here from England, we wanted to get away from that.
And at that time, and the Constitution would never have been ratified had the people not been promised a Bill of Rights.
And they did get that Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Rights is right behind the Constitution.
But my point is that that was such a big part of our constitution was liberty and not allowing the government to basically push people under their thumb and tell them what to do at a level that is now out of control.
But one of the things Bobby Kennedy said today in the debate, which I was not surprised about at all, and I actually made a comment like this earlier, is here's the state that requires flu vaccinations.
The only state that has, I call them coerced vaccinations, because sure, if you can have a private student in your house and send your kid to an unusual private school that doesn't require a vaccine, then maybe, you know, vaccination, maybe you can afford it.
But for everybody else whose kid is in daycare, school, all their healthcare workers, they all have to get vaccinated every year with the flu vaccine.
Okay, now, look at their rate of COVID.
And what Bobby Candy said today was that there's a study out that shows that if you get the flu vaccine, you are more likely to get COVID and get it bad.
It's like it's priming your body, so to speak, because it's toxic.
Always toxins.
And besides, the Cochran collaboration came out with a flu vaccine, 1% efficacy, 1%.
So 100 people get the flu vaccine, one doesn't get the flu.
And then, of course, the CDC has a 40% overall efficacy rate between 10 and 60, depending on the year and all that.
But even 40%, now to me, that's an F. I mean, 40% is not, and they're making people do it.
To me, it's like a racket.
It's like this flu vaccine is not working.
It's not safe.
It contains mercury, unlike all the other vaccines where mercury has been taken out because of the link to autism.
Which is certainly a correlation, but there are those scientists today, they did a big meta-analysis in 2016, and they said there was causation.
They felt that there was causation between... Oh yeah, I'm convinced of it, yes.
...and children's disorders.
Yes.
So, because of the studies, well there was one, for example, one, I guess you'd call it an anecdotal study or whatnot, but a bunch of babies It's all coming out in my article that's going to be produced soon.
umbilical cords when they were born I guess they had an effect I'm not sure what the deal was but that particular medication contained mercury and of the babies like half of them died so that's one example they had a bunch it's all coming out in my article that's going to be produced soon I may upload it on SSRN the social science research network before it's published but it's called the vaccine controversy and constitutional limits to coerced vaccination so that's coming out
but I I go through all this in detail in the article, I'm just kind of summarizing now, but there's a lot of research that is not being disclosed to the public that And people can't even talk about or get labeled as an anti-vaxxer.
Like, ooh, you're an anti-vaxxer.
It's almost like saying you're a pedophile.
Like, ooh, you're a bad person.
And Bobby Candy said that today.
He said, I'm not against vaccine.
What I'm against is coercing people to take vaccine that has not been proven to be safe.
And people basically being financially unable to say no because they have to send their kids to school.
And I am 100% behind Bobby Candy Jr.
on that.
I think it has to be consensual.
And if it's not, then the state has to prove to a very high level that it's not risky.
And it is.
The vaccines are very risky today.
Yeah, and it can't be consensual unless it's informed consent, meaning that you know the pros and the cons.
You know the risks as well as the benefits.
It's neither conformed nor consensual.
I mean, the information given, the only place where you can find the risks are in the pamphlets, the disclosures, the documents that come with it.
No one reads those.
Who looks at the actual disclosures in the vaccine, you know, kit or whatever it is?
I mean, no one sees those.
And that's the only place where they have to disclose.
But more importantly than that, even beyond the disclosures, is they just don't know.
There's some of the vaccines, like the HPV is an example.
It was pushed through so fast.
They didn't test it very well.
They did a fast track, and at the same time when they were pushing to get this thing on the market, boom, boom, boom, they hired 1,500 reps to start lobbying representatives, state representatives, and you know, To get them to pass legislation to force it.
Now, Hawaii did it.
Last year, Hawaii, in 2019, added to its school vaccination law and added HPV to the list.
Are these... Oh no!
That's mandatory?
And this is why the... This is horrible!
This is horrible!
That's why I wrote about it.
One of the founders of the Cochrane Collaboration was basically terminated and one of the things that he wrote about was the HPV vaccine trials and how this big Cochrane Collaboration study came out saying oh they're you know and they did not include a lot of the most devastating test results were girls and Yeah.
And so this man, you know, went after them and said that, and then he was terminated from the board and his post.
And they said, well, he's, you know, disruptive to the Cochran collaboration.
Now keep in mind, this also happened less than two years after Bill Gates got involved with the Cochran collaboration.
And now they're saying that they have a different vision.
They're, you know, But this is the founder named, I'm not sure how you pronounce it, Getze?
I can spell it, I can't pronounce his name.
How is it spelled?
I think it's G-O-E-T-Z-E.
I have it here somewhere.
Oh, it sounds like goats.
It might be goats, I really don't know.
Let me see if I can quickly find this for you.
Let's see, it's in the HBD.
Gate seems to me one of the greatest monsters of world history.
Bill Gate.
The thing is, is that people, he spent a lot of money.
You know, here it is.
G-O-T-Z-S-C-H-E.
Peter C. Gotti?
I don't know how you say that.
Close enough.
He was, right, he was one of the founders originally and he founded this Cochrane collaboration specifically to be a watchdog on the medical testing disclosures in the medical industry because there was a concern that they were more after money and profits than Public health and so now the Cochran collaboration is a problem.
I mean, it's still the most credible Entity, but what this founder said is that he got he was concerned.
He kept seeing more and more Studies come out from Cochran that were not quite accurate and they were leaving out some of the most damaging pieces of evidence And so he's been writing, you know books about the industry big pharma and whatnot.
He's also criticized this HPV Independent report by Cochran for the HPV vaccine, but it wasn't accurate.
And by the way, HPV vaccine is something, a lot of people know this, but if a girl has been exposed to HPV and then gets the vaccine, it can cause a lot of injury.
And they don't pre-screen the girls.
They assume, oh, well, she's, you know, 13.
She probably hasn't been exposed.
Well, you don't know that.
So one of the things they're not doing, they should do, is pre-screen every single girl for HPV before they get the vaccine.
Because if they don't, she's at risk for a high level.
But of course, it's questioning them about their sexual activity, many of whom are going to be unwilling to talk about it as embarrassing or what have you.
They don't want their parental wrath to descend upon them.
But a good doctor-- You're not going to get honest responses from these young girls.
I think a good doctor will have the parents leave the room and understand.
Just like when you represent a minor as a lawyer.
If you have a 12 year old child, you represent that child.
It doesn't matter if the parent's paying the bills.
You represent the child and if the child doesn't want you to tell something to his parents, you can't tell the parents.
That is the law because you represent the child.
You can't Break the privilege just because someone else's what's my child?
I want to know what he did.
Did he did he admit to you?
Did he shoot the kid or whatever is it?
You can't tell them and the same I think should apply.
I think it probably does in the medical industry So the doctrine is to get parents out of the room and tell the girl or the child.
I'm sure I'm about boys I didn't see a study on boys, but tell the child Listen, if you've been sexual, I need to know because if you take this vaccine and if you already have been exposed, you could get really, really hurt.
And I won't tell anyone, they have to gain the child's trust.
And that's another big problem in our society is people just aren't true anymore.
Even lawyers blow the privilege all the time.
I mean, you can be talking at a conference and someone will tell you something like, wait a minute, you're not supposed to tell that.
And that's what happened when Bill Gates, a doctor who I guess works with Bill Gates' family, Disclose at a conference if he did not vaccinate his children.
Right.
And it's all hush hush and I don't even know the man's name, but other doctors said, you're not supposed to tell that.
But the thing is, is that to me, it's a fine line.
If someone's lying to the public, my position has always been, the woman's out there lying about plastic surgery.
To me, the doctor should be able to come clean and say, I gave her a nose job to me or whatever it is.
I don't think there should be a right to lie to the public.
That's my personal view though.
And apparently that's just not the law because if a doctor knows that a woman is lying or a man is lying about plastic surgery or anything else, he can't, you know, can't straighten out the story and tell the truth.
So I have different views on that.
To me, you know, up until the point, if you say it's none of your business, it's a private matter, that's fine.
But the minute you start lying to the public, if you're a movie star, to me, that's the point at which you lose the privilege.
That would be my view.
But again, I don't think that's the law.
So I just don't think it's right to lie to the public.
I don't, I don't, You know, women and men listen to the stars, they follow what they say.
If they're giving them a bunch of lines about do this and that, take this product, and people go out and buy that product, that's fraud.
Why should they be allowed to lie about not having procedures that they did have to sell a product where the public is not allowed to know?
I just disagree with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel the same about Michelle Obama, who's actually a man with breast implants and a huge shaving bill.
I don't know anything about that.
I've heard that, but I... Well, I've proven it.
I have the photographs of the testimony to show it, and I've presented it on numerous occasions, because I think there's going to be an effort here to deceive the public by making her This mindless Biden who's brain damaged running mate, you know, and the world's supposed to swoon.
And I say, look, if you want to vote for a man with breast implants and a huge shaving bill, that's okay with me.
But you are entitled to know who you're voting for.
Yeah, if that's true, and I don't know, if that is true, I highly doubt that Biden would put her on the ticket, if that's true, because there's going to be suddenly a lot more... Well, believe me, I've reported on it.
I've probably reported on it a dozen different times over the recent years since I began doing research into this.
Well, I actually heard at the Jacuzzi at the retirement.
It's Sun City where I'm right now.
It's a really nice Delaware retirement community.
I was at the hot tub and these people were talking about it.
I said, what?
I never heard anything like that before.
So it was news to me.
Hard to believe.
But, you know, I was also very surprised that though Obama's allowed their daughter Malia to take an internship with Harvey Weinstein.
I think it was around 2016, 2017.
It was long after Rose McGowan was screaming from the rooftops what he was doing to women.
It was common knowledge and Barack Obama was in the White House.
I mean, surely his intel is good enough to know about Harvey Weinstein's indiscretions and they were placing their daughter with him for an internship and that for me- - That's very, very bad.
I mean, and I'm sure they knew that he wasn't going to rape their daughter, or let's hope he wouldn't, but you know, who knows?
She had a classmate at Harvard who revealed a confidential conversation they'd had.
I mean, it wasn't designated confidential, but where she told him she was really glad that Trump was president because her father wouldn't have a clue about how to handle all these things.
How to handle what things?
Oh, I think it was, whether it was the looting, I think it was the looting and the riots at the time that were breaking out.
Yeah.
But it could have been the coronavirus too, you know.
And of course, we actually have diligent citizen journalists who track down the parents.
It was a former physician, a Michelle, and the older girl looks just like her father, the younger just like her mother.
Obviously, two men cannot have children.
We have earlier photographs of Barack and Michael, because he was born Michael LeVon Robinson, even played football at Oregon State, was halfway decent before he transferred to Princeton and adopted a female persona and began calling himself Michelle Robinson.
Let's assume for a moment that Michael Robinson is not Michelle Obama.
Where is Michael Robinson?
Why isn't he coming forward saying, hey, I'm here?
That's good.
I like that.
I like that, Deena.
That's great.
That's the only thing that I would wonder about.
Why isn't he coming forward?
No, we got photographs of Bill Gates, very young Bill Gates, with Barack and Michael, and Michael is noticeably absent-breast.
I mean, and we have other photographs where you can see that Michelle has a package that most women do not have.
We have another photograph of Michelle after her husband's no longer present.
She's let her beard grow.
It's very, very noticeable.
We have the testimony of a physician at the time during a campaign who walked into a trailer near Trenton taking a leak standing up.
I remember you telling that story, but here's the thing about photographs, they can be doctored so easily.
Oh, oh, oh, I know, but these aren't, these aren't, believe me, look, I deal a lot with that kind of thing, all the time, you know, sorting out the authentic from the inauthentic evidence, I'm telling you.
Okay, I'm not, now that's what I don't understand.
This is, this is, this is, this is straight.
It's just one of those cases of, you know, as you were saying, the public deserves to know the truth.
And this seems to me to be imminent, because if I'm right that Biden is going to, you know, setting all this up, to bring in Michelle as his vice presidential candidate, and then she'll decline to debate because, of course, you know, Pence is a professional.
And then Biden will stand in solidarity with Michelle and refuse to debate with Donald Trump.
when Joe Biden is brain damaged, for God's sake.
He suffered from multiple aneurysms.
He's lost his cognitive competence.
I mean, everyone knows.
It's one of those things.
It's like Joan Rivers said.
Joan Rivers, when she was asked by a reporter who said, now that we've had our first black president, do you think we'll ever have our first gay president?
She says, oh, well, we already know with Obama, she said.
And of course, Michelle is a transgender, we all know it.
Or maybe only two weeks that she allegedly died from a routine procedure.
Right, so Joan Rivers said that and then she died Allegedly, though, there's a video with someone who seems to have Joan Rivers' voice and looks like about the right build, but she's not wearing the kind of clothing Joan Rivers would have worn and appears to have on a wig, but she may have simply, you know, been forced to go underground.
Well, speaking of gender, something I wanted to talk about too, which is one of the things that I really went into in the second book, and that is how women are involved in harassing and even sexually assaulting other women.
One of the things that was a common theme, especially with Weinstein and Epstein, was how many women they used either directly as assistants or indirectly, but both actually worked directly with a lot of women.
Bill Cosby, some of the same in terms of, for example, Bill Cosby had a modeling agency on the line, and he asked them to send specifically women who were new here, new to the country, new to the area, who were struggling financially.
So he had this influx of young, pretty women constantly.
Jeffrey Epstein, of course, trolled the shopping malls through all his scouts and had all these slightly older girls, and girls who were 16, 17, 18, trolling the areas for 13, 14-year-old girls, because you know the 14-year-old girl will 14-year-old girls, because you know the 14-year-old girl will talk to a 16-year-old if she approaches, but she's not going to talk to a 50-year-old man.
So the way they used women, of course, Ghislaine Maxwell was the biggest scout.
Procurer.
Procurer, yes.
And she trained them and she apparently showed them how to give a blowjob and all that kind of stuff.
She was, you know, she was training them to be pimped out, so to speak.
And, you know, she got, she found Virginia Roberts on Trump's property, Mar-a-Lago.
And Trump found out about that and he reportedly went ballistic.
And what I heard was he just cussed him out and said, don't you ever call my property again.
Well, she wasn't supposed to be there anyway.
She's not a member.
Neither was Epstein.
And you're not supposed to go on to Mar-a-Lago at all without being a member.
Nothing is open to the public.
But he made an exception for Jeffrey Epstein because they were really good friends for a while.
And they tooled around together and had lots and lots and lots of girlfriends, but they were generally of age.
But see, Jeffrey Epstein had another side to him.
And David Boies said this at one point, not too long ago, like maybe a year or two ago, he said, you know, Jeffrey Epstein had two sides to him.
One, yeah, he was totally promiscuous with lots of women who were of age.
And he had this thing where he would sort of, you know, he'd have sex with them for a while or at least once.
It's like having sex with Jeffrey Epstein was a condition for him helping you.
Then he'd place these people.
He placed one at Microsoft, I guess, in his various, you know, good jobs for these women.
And then he had this other side.
And this is the one that we don't really know whether Trump knew about or was involved with.
It doesn't, there's no hardcore evidence that he was involved or even knew about it because he went crazy on Epstein when he found out that he was trolling his property for the little girls.
But the second part of Jeffrey Epstein, and David Boyce, it was about 50-50.
So half the woman he was of age and half were underage.
And that's a whole network of this pedophilia network that we all know about now.
But Jeffrey Epstein slept with thousands of women, and he liked them young, but I'm not sure a lot of people knew how young.
Like everyone that he'd show was 20 year olds.
And he was like, you know, 45 or 50, which is kind of gross right there.
That's your daughter's age, right?
But he had this other side to him, which was the young girls, the children.
And that's where I think he made a lot of his money, is trafficking those little girls.
I'm really glad you explained that aspect about his relationship with the Donald because I've never believed that there was anything perverse about Donald Trump.
You know, I mean, in terms of sexuality, he was rich, handsome, had his pick of women.
He had lots of romances with beautiful women.
I never felt he was depraved, you know, and I like, I like the distinction there.
I think that's exactly right and explains it.
I don't know whether he ever dabbled in any of that stuff, but I would say he certainly was promiscuous, and that I have to wonder about people who behave that way.
I don't think it's healthy on various levels.
I don't think it's emotionally healthy.
I think it's a sign of immaturity, but that's a very different thing than having sex with children.
And you're right.
I mean, how many billionaires or multimillionaires are as cute as Donald Trump?
I mean, realistically, you know, I remember this line from, I think it was True Lies, where the very attractive Asian bad guy, and she was one of the criminals, she's like, why are billionaires always short, you know?
And Donald Trump, it's just kind of a funny line in the movie, but Donald Trump was this, you know, relatively handsome, tall, very wealthy man.
And most men that wealthy are not attractive at all.
So I could, I mean, I remember meeting him and asking him.
We didn't actually, we were in the same party, the same caribou club.
I saw him by the gondola.
I kind of, you know, I was around him.
And I remember just, I remember that because he was, he was tall and he was, he was just like kind of a regular, nice, he came off as a very nice guy.
He's very polite to everybody And so I I just I just don't think most men at that level of income have the opportunities that Donald Trump had I think that he sees the opportunity like a lot of men would if they had the chance a lot of men never get the chance and He was a playboy.
Yeah, personally though, I don't like men like that.
I don't think it's healthy, not just from a sexual disease standpoint, but I think Those men tend not to see women the way I would want to be viewed by my husband.
He may not have overdone it because he explained when he was accused by the fabricated dossier written by Christopher Steele, which he said to the FBI the first time they questioned him, he'd written as an employee of Hillary Clinton.
You know, it was opposition research and very fanciful.
Where you have Trump allegedly hiring two prostitutes to pee on a bed that Barack and Michelle had slept in in Moscow, and he said, I would never do anything like that!
He says, I'm a germaphobe!
Yeah.
Again, I know nothing about that, but I just want to point out the way that the women have been involved in these sex trafficking schemes, and people are not really honing on that.
And that's something I talked about before, is that, you know, when I represent people, I would represent whoever I felt was in the right.
Sometimes men are innocent, and sometimes the perpetrators are women.
And the four main assistants, the ones who were named in that bogus plea deal that Dershowitz, I guess, created, the one that had the You know, all potential co-conspirators are hereby immunized.
Like, who is that?
They named four of them.
The four they named were Sarah Kellum, who also goes by Sarah Kensington, and she was the one who kept the Rolodex of Girls.
Again, a nice-looking, you know, young woman.
And she was the one who would meet the girls at the door and show them the way to the massage room and make sure all the oils were set up and all that for the massage.
And she married this race car driver named Brian Vickers.
You know, it's supposed to live in happily ever after.
She owns properties all over the country.
She has a lot of money.
And her parents came out in the news not long ago saying they're worried she's going to be arrested.
And I wrote a Facebook post saying, yeah, she should be.
You know, she is very wealthy because of what she did, but she also comes, you know, she acted in concert with Jeffrey Epstein to get those girls in there.
And, you know, apparently she was referring to the girls and made them feel at ease.
And that's the same thing Ghislaine Maxwell did.
So using women to get other women, Harvey Weinstein, same thing.
They called the women honeypots who would bring other women toward him because they were real sweet and nice.
It seemed like the victims, the intent victims would trust this woman because she was so nice.
So another one is called, is named Leslie Groff.
And Leslie Groff is a UT graduate, smart woman.
And she was his secretary and she now lives in Fairfield, Connecticut.
She should be arrested too.
The third one is Adriana Ross, also known as Adriana Musinska, I guess it is.
And she would book all the massages and things.
She was also the one who went to the house when someone from the Palm Beach police, or more likely the prosecutor's office, tipped off Epstein that they had gotten a search warrant.
She went in there and ripped all the computers off the walls, left the wires hanging, you know, didn't even audaciously just basically You know, almost thumbed her nose at the authorities by taking these computers out and just leaving the walls full of wires because she felt like, you know, what are you going to do about it?
So most of the good evidence was removed just before they went into Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach to investigate.
And that, again, was this Adriana Ross.
Then there was... Who gave her the tip, I wonder?
Well, if you talk to people who were in the know, a lot of people were not very happy with Barry Kushner.
He was...
At first was gung ho on prosecuting Epstein.
But then, as Michael Ryder said, you know, the chief of police said something happened.
Well, what happened was Alan Dershowitz came down.
This is all in my book number one.
Alan Dershowitz flew into town and met with first Michael Ryder and the lead investigator who, by the way, died suddenly in a very 50 years old.
He had got a flu bug and just died, which sounds really weird to me.
And there was no information about what happened to him exactly.
It just seems odd.
No one died of the flu back then.
I mean, now we have- A little too convenient, wasn't it?
Well, it would have been retaliatory because he was the one who wouldn't let go.
And so these two men from the Palm Springs Police Department would not let Alan Dershowitz talk them out of their intent.
To pin down Jeffrey Epstein, and so then apparently Dershowitz went to Barry Krishner, and he made some traction there, because Krishner went from saying, we're going to get him, we're going to get him to, you know, these girls aren't very credible.
And again, I covered all my book number one, which is... I'm very interested in Alan Dershowitz's role here.
Yeah, yeah.
I know.
He would have been one of those potential co-conspirators, because if he did anything like some of the girls, or certainly Virginia Roberts said he did, Then he would have been involved, so he would have been immunized himself through that plea bargain.
The last one I want to talk about real quick is this Nadia Markinova, or Marcinkova.
Epstein purchased her.
I have it, too.
Volume 1, yeah.
Right, we're talking about Book 1 now.
She was purchased by Epstein.
Beautiful, tall woman.
I think she's Eastern European.
Is a self-proclaimed sex slave for Jeffrey Epstein.
But she actively raped these girls, like Delane Maxwell did, by using strap-on equipment and things like that.
And she then was given flight lessons because that was her deal.
And she just doesn't seem to have any concern about what she did.
She goes, she makes videos about herself.
She called herself the Gulfstream Girl until she got sued by Gulfstream Jets.
Now she goes by Global Girl.
but you see her online in these videos, you know, flying a plane, going upside down, and eating a donut hanging from a string, like life's just a bowl of cherries.
And this is a woman who raped dozens and dozens of girls.
She should be behind bars too.
- Where's the person that has her? - Oh, all of them.
I mean, they're all out there.
They've all made a lot of money with Jeffrey Epstein.
It's very young women.
Now they're living the good life.
And they should be next.
I mean, Ghislaine has finally been apprehended, but what about these other people?
I think, a lot of people think, they all need to be prosecuted because they all, he couldn't have done it without these helpers.
And because they were young and very pretty young women, they were able to get younger girls to come with them, so to speak.
Well, I understand lesbians using strap-ons to, you know, enhance their sexual experience, but the idea of raping a young, innocent girl with a strap-on, I don't get it.
I mean, what's supposed to be the benefit of that?
Yeah, because he was watching, and he was paying them a lot of money.
Oh, God.
By the way, just as an aside, it occurred to me, I just published a blog, by the way.
American Speaker had an article about, is Michelle going to be the savior of the party?
And I add, or it's embarrassment, it's on my blog at jamesfetzer.org, where you'll find about a half a dozen of the photographs I'm talking about.
I have more, but there's a sampler there to make that case about Michelle Obama.
Right.
Yeah, there's some scuttlebutt online.
I've seen some things.
I've got a hummingbird over here just really wants my attention.
I've never seen him act this way.
He's coming up to the window just looking at me.
So anyway, yeah, I don't know.
Again, I don't know about that, but it does seem like there's a lot of fraud going on among our politicians.
They aren't who they say they are.
I think your point about the role of women in these events is very, very significant.
Bill Cosby didn't need that and I suppose Harvey didn't really need it either because he had all this power and control over Hollywood and the making of films and the casting of parts.
Cosby, you know, he so benefited from his image of being this wonderful guy, you know, a family guy.
I mean, everyone admired Bill Cosby.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
I mean, this is where cognitive resistance comes in.
When you've been programmed to see him a certain way, it's really hard to believe he did those things.
Now, ironically, I did not ever like Bill Cosby, and my reason was totally arbitrary.
When I was a little girl, And he was on TV doing some Jell-O commercial, and he was, like, slurping it.
Yeah.
And I'm like, oh, Mom.
I said, Mom, that guy's gross.
Just something about the way he slurped that Jell-O just crawled.
It made my skin crawl.
That's very, very interesting, Dina.
That's really interesting.
And my mom's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I just, something, it just seemed, he seemed phony to me.
And it was just gross the way he slurped it.
Well, it sounds like it was a cross between phony and lascivious.
Right, right.
And I was just a little girl, but something seemed wrong about him.
This goes way back.
If you look into, he's part two of book number two.
Look into his past.
He was talking about Spanish fly and all this way back in like the 60s.
He was talking about the desire to use drugs to get women to have sex from a very early age, early on.
Aphrodisiacs and the like.
Yeah, but then getting to Part 3 of Book 2, which is The Penumbras of Me Too, and talking about the more typical abuse of women, which is going to be career sabotage, it's going to be defamation in the workplace, invasion of privacy, going through your things, trying to find out things about you, looking for dirt on you, so to speak, to discredit you.
I used the two young ladies who went to Yale Law School as examples.
They were both very pretty girls at young.
Actually, they were actually women at that time.
I think they were around probably 22 at that time.
So they were actually women, but young women.
And in that case, it was mostly men who were harassing them online, this auto admit site that just, you know, they hadn't even heard this site and they were all over it with horrible, horrible statements, disgusting things said about them sexually and whatnot to discredit But when you read a little further into this part, most women will say that it's other women who have harassed them in the workplace more than it's men.
Now, the women's harassment isn't sexual in nature most of the time, but the women's agenda is to destroy other women's careers.
And I can tell you in the legal academy, there is enormous career sabotage by women law professors against younger women like myself.
I'm older now, I'm 56 now, and I've been a law professor for 20 years, but when I was in my early years...
I had harassment by both men and women, and it's appalling some of the things that... You look about 20 years younger.
Thanks, I'll white swim every day.
And I just, you know, I really do believe, too, that when you're, when you eat right, and especially when you have the right attitude, when you stay true to yourself, and you're not a coward, and you speak out, I think it's uplifting.
I think it keeps you young.
I think fighting keeps you young.
Fighting for what's right keeps you young, in my opinion.
But my parents both look young, too, and they're both, you know, one's almost 80 and one's just over 80, so it probably is just partly that, too.
Well, Bershowitz is one of the striking legal figures involved with Epstein, but so too is Ken Starr.
Can you elaborate?
What happened here?
Star looks like he's the epitome of the conservative, you know, mild-mannered, self-effacing.
Hired guns are hired guns, left or right.
If you're willing to do, you know, follow the money, so to speak, that's what you do.
And, you know, he was asked to leave Baylor, as I understand it, after the big sexual harassment scandal broke.
And it turned out he was covering for the boys who were, you know, sexually harassing or even possibly raping girls.
And they gave him $4.2 million to leave.
I can't imagine a female president of a university getting that kind of money to leave, but he must have had either dirt on somebody or something.
But jumping back to Epstein, yeah, he represented him.
He helped him.
He went to the Justice Department and tried to argue that they didn't have federal jurisdiction, which was a crock.
I mean, they had flight logs.
If that isn't proof of interstate commerce, I don't know what is.
So they have the best possible evidence of interstate commerce you can get.
This is just the kind of evidence that the judge has just directed be released to the public.
But Ken Starr knew.
It was out.
He knew this stuff.
Even though it wasn't out before the public, he knew.
He was in the know.
He was an attorney helping him.
And the other thing he did that was really weird, and I have my own personal weird story about Ken Starr at Pemperdine, when I was at Pemperdine's campus, but he also got on the news when it was reported that Jeffrey Epstein, either after he was arrested or after he had supposedly killed himself, it was around August of 2019, I'm standing in my living room in Houston, Texas, watching the news, and he gets on and says, All of Jeffrey Epstein's sexual partners gave consent.
He said it with a straight face.
I thought, well, consent, yeah, but it's not valid as a matter of law.
So technically, did most of his victims say that?
Well, they were statutory.
I mean, they were eligible to give consent.
It's invalid consent.
It's not consensual.
How absurd is that?
Well, and by the way, not all of them did get consent.
It's true, most of them did.
And they will admit that.
The girls who recruit other girls will say, and have said on the record, look, everyone knew what the deal was.
Which... They were told, you just have to strip down to your underwear, give him a massage, and let him, you know, let him take care of himself, and you get $200 for that.
And if you're willing to do more, you get more money.
So they knew that.
$200.
These girls were making $6 an hour.
Most of them were from very poor families.
Some were literally homeless, or one step away from being homeless, living in a trailer park.
So $200.
They knew what they had.
And by the way, for one of his birthdays, one of his friends threw in three 12-year-old triplets from France.
Their parents gave consent, and apparently the way Jeffrey Epstein got them to consent was by telling them, they will remain virgins.
I will not penetrate them.
They will just, basically, I will play with them a little bit.
And these people were so poor from France.
They agreed.
And the girls came in.
Good God!
Well, I don't know how much he gave them.
I'm going to guess probably, what, $100,000, $200,000 for really, really poor people.
They could possibly justify letting someone fondle their girls because this way they would be out of poverty.
They could pay for good health care.
They could pay for their education.
I mean, people who are that poor make really bad choices because they're between a rock and a hard place.
And that's Jeffrey Epstein's deal.
He would always go after people who needed money.
Um, but anyway, the idea that it was consensual, okay, sort of, but for some it was not.
He actually raped some of the girls.
Yeah, I don't think even the parental consent would make a difference.
Legally, we have this history of these illicit love affairs, you know, the young girl and the older guy, and sometimes it's really passionate, sometimes it's a much older guy, she's in love with him, they have sex, but it's still statutory rape.
I mean, it's just a question of her age.
Right, but beyond that, beyond the sex trade rape, there were girls who testified that Jeffrey Epstein forced himself... Oh yeah, I get that too, yeah.
Without any consent at all, not even non, not even valid consent.
Yeah, of course, there's a lot of even worse stories about what went on the island and questions about kids disappearing.
I don't know anything.
I couldn't get any clarity on that.
I couldn't get any reliable news source on that.
So I'm not going to put that in my book unless I can feel comfortable in citing a source to explain why I'm saying what I'm saying.
So I'm very conservative when I write.
But I heard a lot of other stories I just couldn't include because I just Yeah, well, that's a prudent course to take, especially dealing with sensational stuff like this.
You know, I've been long convinced that the Epstein operation was in fact Mossad.
It was intel gathering Incriminating evidence to blackmail prominent American politicians.
The whole Lolita Express and Orgy Island was just loaded with cameras and audio equipment.
He had dirt on the Prime Minister of Israel at one point.
He had dirt on people all over the world.
And that's why most likely his partner, Hoffenberg, did 18 years for their Ponzi scheme in New York, and he didn't get prosecuted.
And when Hoffenberg told the prosecutor, admitted basically to what he did, and tried to work out a deal, he said, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was the person who did this with me, and he could not get an answer as to why he wasn't prosecuted.
But that seems to be what it is.
Jeffrey Epstein Is it full-on con artist?
I mean, and he used sexuality.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he engaged in homosexual acts to get in good with someone.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was sexual with Les Wexner in the beginning to get him to trust him and then provided, allegedly provided children to Les Wexner as well.
I don't know about that.
Again, these are the kinds of things there's just, I didn't even put much of that in my book because I couldn't get clear evidence of that or even a report.
Sufficient confirmation, yeah.
Yeah, you just can't get that information.
But he found, almost like a stripper, would find ways into someone's life by, you know, hey baby, this kind of thing, being really nice, being their best friend.
And people talked about how Jeffrey Epstein seduced Les Wexner.
His old friends for many years passed and said, who is this guy?
Do you even know this guy?
And instead of listening to his friends of 20, 30, 40 years, he alienated the friends in favor of Jeffrey Epstein.
So he really, Somehow, Epstein ingratiated himself with Les Wexner, and that's where he got the, he stole 46 million dollars from the Wexner family, and he bought the Lolita Express, the Boeing, from Les Wexner, and he got his house in New York.
I mean, he somehow, he managed to get all this money from this guy.
The 46 million was stolen, and Wexner's, the Wexner's got it back, but during the time he had that money, he was able, that's, that's how you work a Ponzi scheme.
You tell people, you know, invest with me, and I'll get you back, you know, Double your money in in two months and he does it because he's stolen the money from somewhere else It's like that's the same as a pyramid scheme where you pay the the new investors I'm sorry pay the older investors with the new investors money and you have this stolen money to start paying people So they're talking all over town.
Oh, guess what?
I got paid.
I made triple my money with Jack Rips Now new people put their money in he takes that money and pays old so they keep doing these stories Oh, it's working.
It's working.
No, it's not working It's theft.
It's a pyramid scheme.
There's no money being made at all, but people don't know that.
And another thing I thought was so shocking about Jeffrey Epstein is these New York socialites just welcomed him with open arms.
He got in good with them.
And I thought, does no one have the gift of discernment anymore?
Does no one have common sense?
This guy looks like a lunatic to me.
I thought he looked like a creeper from hell.
So I don't understand how these smart, Wealthy, educated, New York, upper crust people could have been anything other than appalled by this guy, this fraud.
I guess they didn't see it, or maybe they didn't care.
But, and the ones who did see it and did care probably didn't say anything.
But I don't think many people who really are on the ball are part of any social You know, elite groups anyway.
I don't think those people are very credible in general.
I think that they're misdirected.
I think if you're really on your path in life, the last thing you want to do is socialize with those kind of people all day long.
But it did seem really odd to me and surprising that they would embrace someone like that.
I would have, I mean, I don't know.
I'm not part of the social elites.
I wouldn't know.
But it just seems like You'd get kicked in the teeth, and he wasn't.
He was embraced.
Well, you talked about how Gulfstream Girl just went and ripped out all the computer stuff that was making the video records of all of this.
That was Adriana Ross who did that.
Yeah.
Did you get... Oh, okay.
Adriana Ross.
Did you get more?
Did you get down to Orgy Island and all the equipment that was... Oh, yeah.
And Prince Andrew apparently admitted that he was on the island.
Now, of course, he denies having sex with girls.
But, oh yeah, the island, what Virginia Roberts said over and over again is these people loved having orgies with little girls.
And it wasn't just on Orgy Island or Pedophile Island.
It was also in Palm Beach, I guess, in New York, where they had these orgies.
But, and that's kind of, I think that's the same thing as the Bunga Bunga parties that they tried to associate Ambra Batalana Gutierrez with.
And she wasn't part of that crowd, but she was at one party.
Even though she went and told the authorities about it, they tried to smear her name.
But these things are not uncommon.
And one thing I'm finding now that I'm getting involved with more cases on the private practice side is that this stuff is really, really common.
Not just the underage pedophilia stuff, but also Using drugs to get adult women compromised, gang raping them, threatening them.
I saw 13 Reasons Why and I was fascinated.
I absolutely adore the main actor, the lady who played Hannah, I think her name was.
Beautiful, I think, English actor, I'm not sure.
But anyway, she's got a new series out now too.
But, you know, one of the people who produced the movie was Selena Gomez and This show, it was a series on Netflix called 13 Reasons Why.
And the idea was the 13 reasons why the main actor, Hannah, killed herself.
And it was a very, very disturbing suicide scene where she slit her wrists in the bathtub.
And it was extremely disturbing.
I'll never forget about it.
But this is my point back to the harassment of women, beautiful women in particular, and even more so black or Hispanic beautiful women.
Selena Gomez, in my opinion, and the other producers did a fabulous job on that series.
They honed in on the elements of the rape machine.
You have a place that the girls feel comfortable, you have drugs, you have photographs of the girls that can be used later after the rape in case they say anything.
Remember, Jeffrey Epstein took photos of the men with the pants down as leverage.
Harvey Weinstein always got photos of the women he raped around the same time, at the same conference, the same film festival as when he raped these women or sexually assaulted them to be able to say, look, here we are together in this photo.
Obviously, we were friends when they were.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Public photographs.
Yes.
And in fact, Ashley Judd, the photo of her, you can see her pushing with her elbow, pushing against it.
If you look at the photo and she looks like she's She's, you know, she has to smell.
She's a young starlet.
She kind of has to kind of go along with it, but she looks so uncomfortable.
But back to the 13 Reasons Why, I thought they did a phenomenal job at honing in on all the aspects of the rape culture and the rape machine.
All the moving parts.
Again, the photographs.
They had a shed, what do you call it, a football equipment shed they used to get the girls in.
took photos of the girls smoking pot or drinking alcohol underage to use against them later of course the boys had politically connected parents so they were able to get out of it but when the reviews came out they slammed um selena gomez and i thought wait a minute i thought that she did a great job on this and i'm no i'm no film critic but i'm i don't watch a lot of tv or anything i don't watch really i all i really watch is a little bit of um the news stations and netflix i don't like the commercials
um but i thought it was phenomenally well done and i have to wonder If it wasn't a beautiful young Hispanic female producing it, would the reviews have been different?
Because I think the answer is probably yes.
And that's another part of the penumbras of me too.
I talk about Selena Gomez and this 13 Reasons Why because I venture to guess that if Ron Howard had been the producer, the reviews would have been different.
Knowing, as I do, how the rate machine works and all the parts and components of that machine puts me in a position to say, I think 13 Reasons Why was done really well.
And yes, the suicide scene was very, very upsetting.
And yes, the rape scene was very upsetting.
But isn't that what good film is supposed to do?
Make you think?
And this was a gang rape, I take it.
The rape of Hannah was the one that I found really disturbing, and the rape of her best friend, which she witnessed.
She was in the room, and the rapist, the same rapist who raped her, the boy who was ultimately charged but got off, basically.
Because his girlfriend caved in and helped him out.
And he had raped his own girlfriend.
Oh, by giving him an alibi.
Well, no, I'm not sure what an alibi.
I think what she had at one point come clean on what he did, but then at trial, she backed down and went the other way to help him out.
And that's what's so weird about the rape culture is that a lot of women will actually take the men's side over the women's side.
And the reason why is that's how you stay in the good graces of the powers that be.
Yes, her men.
And so women, like look at Delane Maxwell.
I mean, she, she's extremely troubled, by the way, from a very young age.
She was just very, very, maybe a week or two old, maybe she was very young when her brother was killed.
And her mother was absolutely devastated and was, was not really there for her at all as a very young girl.
So her mother said, by the time she was three, she was anorexic.
Three-year-old girl.
How can a three-year-old be anorexic?
Three-year-old girl anorexic?
Elaine Maxwell was anorexic as a toddler.
Well, that's what her mom said.
I've heard stories where three-year-olds are saying, I can't have a cookie.
I have to watch my figure.
Three years old.
I mean, goodness.
Um, we know from real research that kids that age can eat sugar.
We should never eat sugar, but kids that age, you know, sugar's not good.
But they need more calories than, I mean, you can fulfill all the nutritional needs and they still need calories to grow.
So it's okay for anyone to eat cookies.
It's okay for a toddler to eat cookies.
Although I don't think it's good, but like I said, it's just insane that a toddler, they're supposed to have baby fat, but she was, yeah, very troubled, very, very young.
She loved her dad, but look what she did for Jeffrey Epstein.
She wanted to be in his good graces.
She wanted to be his girlfriend.
She wanted to be his wife so badly that she was willing to rape little girls just to be close to Jeffrey Epstein.
And that's an extreme example.
But if you look at, for example, one of my colleagues brought a lawsuit a few years back, and she said that her best buddies at the law school, women, turned their backs on her when she was in litigation.
And they knew what the school had done to her.
But again, To safeguard themselves, they would go against another woman because they knew where the power really lies, and that's with the administration, and that's almost all men at the university.
And then you have just the nastiness.
You have women's professional jealousy, you have racism, and especially when those two things combine, You have women who will go around sabotaging other women's careers.
I remember when I was at Florida State, there was a woman there who was a visitor like me, and we were not treated well by a couple of women there, women professors.
Because when you're a visitor, there's sort of this weird culture in the legal academy that you're the bottom of the totem pole, and it's kind of like a kick-the-dog syndrome.
It's really messed up, and I've seen it before.
And this woman was fabulous.
She was really kind and a good scholar and nice and pretty and tall.
And a couple of the other women at the law school who were on tenure track or tenured kind of went after her, really mean to her.
And the bottom line is this, she ended up having trouble, a lot of trouble in her career.
Now, I was already tenured, so I was okay.
But she ended up, you know, not getting tenure and dropping out.
And I think it goes back to what these other women Did to her, you know, and, and by undermining her and discrediting her.
And just, it just burns me up because the nicest, one of the nicest, I have a really nice colleague now at, at the Lost Clement now too.
Um, super, super nice, brilliant woman I work with now, but, but this other lady I was talking about, the visitor, one of the nicest people I've ever met in Legal Academy, which is filled with entitled people, filled with untalented people, filled with phonies.
Filled with the kind of people who would kiss up to Jeffrey Epstein or whoever else if, you know, to get ahead.
That's entitlement.
That's privilege.
That's not about what profession you're in.
That's about values.
And there's a lot of really poor values among the most privileged in our society.
I think it's always been like that.
But in any event, so women on women is a real problem.
And what a lot of people don't know either is that Title VII harassment actions, it can be Women harassing women.
It doesn't have to be sexual.
And it doesn't have to be gay women harassing other women.
It can be straight women harassing other women.
And I'm just waiting for that case to fall into my lap because I think that time is coming where somebody's going to say, you know what?
Enough is enough.
And whether it's jealousy or professional competition, whatever you want to call it, It's not okay to trash a woman's reputation or career.
It almost always involves defamation.
It almost always involves invasion of privacy.
And one of the problems of the legal academy is the same in Hollywood.
And I'm probably going to write a law review article called Me Too in the Legal Academy.
It's the same hush culture.
And when I had some really bizarre, nasty mistreatment directed at me, I asked one of my highest level friends in a legal academy and he said don't say anything to anyone just like the women in Hollywood were so don't tell anyone he raped you because if you say something you will be a pariah like what what this is these are law professors these are these are lawyers you think if anyone would know
How wrong and unlawful it is, they know, but they do know that's just it.
But the culture is what it is.
And if you don't play the game, you will not get to a top law school.
You will not get a move up in the legal academy.
I never did.
I had opportunities, but not many.
And with my scholarship, I certainly should have had more.
But see, I don't play the game.
And it's not worth it to me.
I'm religious and I believe in family and friends over any kind of social structure like that that is just so deeply contrary to my deeply held religious and philosophical beliefs.
And it's not worth it for me.
And by the way, I'm a lot healthier getting into my late 50s than they are.
Again, back to the idea.
Live by your values.
And I think in the long run, you're going to be happier and healthier.
I'm willing to predict you're going to get that case fall into your lap, where you're perfectly positioned to develop and defend and exploit and establish precedence under the law.
Well, it's time for a woman to bring a lawsuit against women colleagues for harassing her out of her job or harassing her out of tenure, making up things, spreading rumors, all the things they do.
It's really messed up.
There's a bunch of books written about the academies.
One's called The Bully in the Ivory Tower.
One is called Faculty Incivility.
So this is not news, but it's hushed.
It's kept quiet because if you talk about it, you will be the bad guy.
Just like the women who came out against Harvey Weinstein.
Rose McGowan has taken a beating over and over again.
I mean, not physically, but emotionally and through defamation and through just discrediting her.
But she's a strong woman.
You know, she grew up in a cult and she grew a very strong backbone.
And Rose McGowan has not been given the credit that's due to her because she was one who just, she broke the NDA, the nondisclosure agreement.
She didn't care.
You know, she, she was worth it to her.
And I'm kind of like along those lines.
And that's why I think, you know, there's a certain level of, you know, Dina doesn't play the game.
And so I haven't been moved up as I should have been with my, my scholarship and the publications that I was able to get from a bottom tier law school.
It's very, very hard to do that.
Um, but I was able to do it because I worked so, so hard.
Um, and I also somehow got lucky and picked good topics, I guess.
Um, but again, it's not worth it to me.
Um, people think I'm crazy.
Like you should have played the game.
You could have been at UCLA or something.
I'm like, you know what?
Not going to do it.
Never going to go there.
Just not who I am.
So, um, but there's a price to pay for sure.
There's career, um, Dina, I never played the game.
I just call them as I see them.
It seems to me that Jeffrey Epstein is significant not just because of the sexual exploitation of young girls but that the objective was to compromise powerful and influential figures, particularly Political figures in the United States.
Absolutely.
And I am convinced it was an Israeli op, and I'm wondering whether you got confirmation that that was the case.
And some of the parties who appear to me to have been compromised, although they became enthusiastic participants, include not just Bill Clinton, Hillary also deeply involved in Pizzagate and very sadistic activities.
It's disgusting to get into it.
Huma Abedin, of course, but Chuck Schermer and Nancy Pelosi, a host of others, you know, Alan Dershowitz in all probability.
I find his role here very, very anomalous.
Well, I don't know much about that, but I will say this.
I have a potential new client who is a movie star and has disclosed to me some of what goes on Behind the scenes in Hollywood, it's as bad as it gets.
It's really, really bad stuff.
And it's, these people are really sick.
I'm surprised that some very prominent figures in Hollywood rush to Harvey Weinstein's defense, such as Meryl Streep, who many regard as our nation's leading actress.
Meryl seems to be unusually solicitous of Harvey.
I found it very odd.
Well, I don't know that she knew, though.
You see, she wasn't a victim of Harvey.
She was a little older.
He went for young women, so she was an older, established, very credible actress.
Harvey Weinstein is smart.
He has the ability to put on a very... Everyone who works with him said he was the most fun to be around, he was exciting, he had great ideas, and there's a reason he got to where he got.
He made his money legitimately, unlike Jeffrey Epstein.
Bill Cosby made his money legitimately.
Bill Cosby, between the three of them, is probably, in some ways, the most talented.
I mean, he certainly was the one who had consistent success in his whole career.
He just went higher and higher and higher.
He's a genius.
But when it comes to, you know, yeah, Weinstein, he could turn it on, turn it off.
And he was so charismatic, they say, when he wanted to be.
So I would, if I had to put my money on it, I would say that Meryl Streep didn't know That he poured, you know, the super congenial, you're my best friend, you know, attitude on her, and because he's so good at it, just like Jeffrey Epstein was very good when he wanted to be somebody's best friend, when he wanted to ingratiate himself, he could do it.
So I would like to believe, and I do kind of lean toward believing Meryl Streep just didn't know, because people weren't talking about it back then when they were friendly and whatnot.
I would like to believe that, because I felt, for the most part, she's a decent person, and this would Argue to the contrary.
I think Bill Cosby was in the right place at the right time for a black actor who had an appealing persona.
He did that early show with Robert Culp called I Spy.
And the idea of this black, you know, it just fit.
I mean, I watched a lot of those shows.
I was a fan of Bill Cosby as an actor in those shows when I was a kid.
I never saw the Huxtable stuff.
I never saw that where he was the patriarch of the family.
Though I gather that's where Lisa Bonet got her foothold, and I thought she's wonderful.
I loved her in Enemy of the State, for example.
It's just a sensational movie.
Great.
That is a great, great movie.
Terrifying and great movie.
Yeah, well, Cosby, though, was popular.
He was a really good kid.
He helped his mom.
He literally, I think, either shined shoes or delivered groceries.
He was a good boy.
He helped his mom.
He was just all around a good kid, very popular in school, kind of a class clown or whatnot, and did well in school, at least for a while.
He also just, for whatever reason, didn't graduate.
He did really well and then transferred and then didn't graduate.
That's all in part two.
A book number two of mine, I talk about him, but he was, something happened to him along the way where he was influenced.
I mean, he talked about it when, in this, I think it was one of his skits about I Spy, and he was talking about going to Spain on someone to do a shoot.
And the funny part of this, of the skit, he was saying that he and his friend were going to Spain and they were going to ask the taxi driver if he can get them some Spanish fly.
And they got in the cab and they said, the cabbie turned to them and said, are you American?
Do you have any of that American fly?
And that was the punchline.
Everyone just starts roaring with laughter.
But this is something that was on his mind very young.
And so it just grew into an obsession for him.
And he also had those children's books where he talked about, like, the Big Lie, or I think it's called The Big Lie, one of his books, where he talks about little Bill.
Notice he used his own name.
How he had a little lie and it grew and grew and grew and then he was in big trouble.
I thought, oh, that's fascinating that he would have a book talking about a little boy named Bill having a lie that got bigger and bigger and bigger until he finally got into big trouble.
That's pretty much what happened to him.
So there's a lot of parts to Cosme that are fascinating.
And someone could do a dissertation, a psychology dissertation on-- - I wonder if Hugh Hefner had an influence on Bill Cosme.
I'm sure he would have had him out to the Playboy Mansion and all that.
I'm sure, I mean that, you know, even I was invited to go out there once, just being a young attorney doing some modeling in LA.
Everyone gets an invite eventually to go out to the Playboy Mansion.
I did not go.
Not my cup of tea.
I wouldn't have been comfortable to go to a place like that.
And Hugh Hefner's effect on our culture, if there's one person I would say that was the single worst influence, that would be Hugh Hefner.
Because of what he started in and and this is actually I've written about this.
It's in the book I was Haven't finished yet because I was writing that book when I started writing the two other books on Epstein Weinstein and Cosby But what happened with with what he did is he kind of normalized You know objectification of women
Yeah and then and then of course his magazine was successful then came Hustler and then the porn got worse and um but it really I mean um it actually goes back a little further and um Gosh, what was his name?
Alfred Kinsey.
It really probably goes back to Alfred Kinsey with his bogus reports.
And that's what Hugh Hefner said.
He said, the reason I started this magazine is because there's a void left in public discourse from the studies that Kinsey published and the public wants more information.
So I started Playboy to fill that gap.
That's what he said.
And he wasn't, his name was not in the first edition because he knew that it could be the end of his career in publishing and no one would ever hire him again.
So he is not in that first edition.
By the way, though, Marilyn Monroe is.
She's the centerfold.
Sure.
But his name is not in the magazine because he didn't want to be associated with his own magazine because he thought it was going to fail.
And, of course, it became this enormous empire.
And then Masters and Johnson, of course.
Yeah.
Human sexual response.
Right.
And I don't know as much about them.
I kind of got into the Kinsey Reports when I was doing a research project about, you know, how we got to where we are with sexual disease.
And I don't know if you noticed, but Kinsey died of a very rare disease called orchitis.
And that is... What's the name of it?
Orchitis.
I think it's pronounced orchitis.
It's a sexual disease where it comes from masochistic masturbation.
Which I'm going to eventually get.
God, that is weird!
I think he was using pins and needles.
We better not tell teenage boys.
We better not tell teenage boys.
But yeah, so these people, these twisted people who just don't have healthy sex lives or whatnot have managed to I think it comes from the way pornography and the way sexually explicit materials affect the brain.
very good sex lives.
And if you talk to, if you look at what people do, I mean, look at men who are married and go out and rape women.
And we look at men who are married and go out and pay for prostitutes.
I mean, why are they not happy with their home life?
I don't get it.
But I think it comes from the way pornography and the way sexually explicit materials affect the brain.
And now we know from studies that it is just as addictive as heroin.
We have newer studies that show that when the- Or porn is as addictive as heroin, you're saying?
Yes!
It has the exact same response in the brain.
Same chemical reaction in the brain.
And that's why it's so addictive.
So it's not just like, oh, he likes porn, he won't get off porn.
Men, and probably some women, can truly be addicted, physically addicted to porn.
So it's just like a drug.
The reaction, the bias, it's like a drug.
And so that's why I have a problem with calling porn speech.
Because to me, speech is about contemplating what it is, deciding whether you agree.
That's what the First Amendment's about to me.
And Frederick Shower is one of the top, you know, law professors in the country, and he came out saying it's not speech because it goes straight to your genitals.
It bypasses your cognitive processes.
It bypasses your brain.
The whole idea behind the First Amendment is allowing people to consider different kinds of speech and decide what they believe and don't believe.
If you bypass that process, it's really not serving the function of speech.
Of course, Frederic Shower's theory has never taken hold with the court.
Doesn't mean it never will.
But I believe that the right to, I think there is a right to look at pornography as long as you're an adult.
I think if you like it, you know, I know one of my friends from school told me once that she and her husband used it.
I'm like, hey, if you like it, you like it.
But I think that that right is found in the Liberty Clause with the other sexual rights, not free speech.
I don't, I don't think pornography is speech personally.
But I think it has had an incredible influence.
And when Andrew Dworkin and Katherine McKinnon, You know, we're behind the ordinances trying to pass legislation saying that pornography is the systematic degradation of women.
It actually passed, I think, in Indianapolis.
It was struck down in a case called Hudnut.
But the bottom line is, you can't call, you can't, that's viewpoint, you can't do that.
You can't, you can't control viewpoints.
But they were more right than they ever could have possibly known about the negative impact porn has had on our society.
It's not just on, you know, doesn't just lead to Some men viewing women as less More deserving of rape, more deserving of punishment, that's been proven in college studies.
But what it's done to men, and this is something that I don't think Andrea Dworkin and Catherine MacKinnon probably ever thought of, when they were defending women against porn, is what it would do to men.
Ruins their lives, ruins their families, they get addicted.
And they also begin to view, they view a lot of it, they start viewing women differently, cognitively, and that blocks them from having a really good marriage.
Because I don't think you can view women like that and have a truly strong marriage.
Because a strong marriage depends on a very high level of mutual respect and on seeing each other as full human beings, not as an object, not as a sex object.
So I think the damage to men has been just as much.
And the Me Too movement, the only problem I see with it is the idea that it's men versus women.
I totally disagree.
The Me Too movement should be Victims versus criminals and perpetrators.
And a lot of those perpetrators are women.
And some of the victims are men.
Not just boys being trafficked, but men being falsely accused, too.
And that's brutal for men.
It can ruin careers, too.
Of course, there are many, many, many varieties of pornography, some of which are relatively innocuous, others of which are not.
And, you know, I myself Believe in the First Amendment and would view it, or tend to view it, as freedom of speech.
But I appreciate the caveats you're introducing, and Judge Clarence Thomas Have the truth emerge at the time when Anita Hill was testifying about him, to wit that he was constantly getting porn movies from a local video store.
They knew about it.
I mean, he'd rented hundreds of them, but it never surfaced during his hearings.
And Anita Hill was so wrongly abused.
I mean that was one of the gross miscarriages.
Contrast that with Judge Kavanaugh where you had these women making up absolutely fantastic stories and they were doing it For purely ideological reasons, it had no foundation in fact.
So here Anita Hill was testifying truthfully about actual sexual abuse, a remark about the pubic hair on the coke can and so forth, right?
With a guy who actually was very much involved in pornography.
She did not get a fair shake.
On the other hand, you had these women The Democrats in particular were saying you gotta take a woman seriously who are giving these absolutely fantastic stories that not only lack the ring of truth but were being contradicted by the very witnesses they were citing as though they would be corroborative.
I mean, it's just embarrassing.
Just embarrassing.
You've had a more recent case now because Tucker Carlson set a new record for cable news.
And of course, Tucker's a conservative guy, but he's a very independent thinker.
In my opinion, Tucker Carlson is the clearest-minded political analyst on television.
For the first quarter, he averaged over 4 million viewers.
It's a record on cable television.
So immediately, you had some, I'm going to suggest, left-wing loony come out and claim a sexual abuse for some absolutely trivial matter.
I mean, it was just ridiculous when you read about it.
It almost defied belief.
Did he invite her to dinner and said my wife and kids aren't with me?
I don't happen to believe that but I mean it was all like it was a water fountain gossip.
I mean it was just it didn't rise to the level of being in my opinion being legally significant but politically the whole idea was to try to tarnish Tucker when he's being admired for achieving That's such a level of influence, which is unprecedented in cable television history.
Well, I don't know all the facts.
What I read, it just wasn't strong enough to create a case of sexual harassment.
Good.
Yeah, it struck me as trifling.
If he said what you said, hey, you want to go to dinner?
Hey, my wife and kids are here with me.
Maybe what he was saying was he has flexibility that night.
Yeah, yeah, he was free!
Or maybe what she's saying is she thought that meant he was trying to have her come home with him to the hotel.
But, you know, I don't know.
But what I'm saying is even if you think that he might have been inviting her home, that is not, per se, sexual harassment.
A man can say to a woman, hey, you want to come home with me?
And if she says no and he leaves her alone, that's not sexual harassment.
I mean, it depends.
It depends on the whole context, but I'm saying that alone, I would not say unless he harasses her, punishes her, retaliates against her.
For not saying yes, then, I mean, at some point, men have to have the ability to ask a woman, hey, do you want to go out with me, or do you want to come home with me?
Right, right.
And women have the same right, too.
So you have to be careful.
Sexual harassment's about pushing someone into a situation that they don't really want.
A form of coercion, or coercement, or constraint, yes.
Right.
So they're not actually acting autonomously in accordance with their own preferences.
Well, right, it's about preference, because unlike assault, You can sustain a Title VII claim when you voluntarily gave consent if you didn't want the relationship.
See, it's unwanted.
It's unwelcomed is the actual term.
It's different.
Sexual assault is when you literally did not give consent.
But you can give consent if it's a superior in your job and you didn't want to.
What's the show where Demi Moore was the boss and Michael Douglas was the underling?
And he said no, and she punished him.
I can't remember the name of the show off hand, but it's a movie.
But if the woman says yes and has a sexual relationship, she can still sue for sexual harassment if she didn't want to have sex with him, but she did it to keep her job.
So that's the difference between Title VII and your tort claims for sexual assault.
Which are more like rape.
Um, but anyway, yeah, it's, um, I, I, I did feel sorry for Brett Kavanaugh during those hearings.
I don't know what happened.
I'm one year older than them.
So I was, I'm somewhat familiar with the era and how people behaved at parties.
And I remember when she testified, Dr. Ford testified, and she looked very, I mean, I know she looked sincere and all that, but she testified that she was, he was on top of her, um, kind of pinning her down and she thought she was going to get raped.
But then some other boy, came into the room and jumped on the bed and that the bounce from the jump of the bed bounced her or bounced Kavanaugh off her and she got up and ran away.
Okay, that is nothing compared to what happened in my high school parties, I'll just tell you.
But that might not have been the whole thing, but I'm saying that just struck me as, wow, you know, we got thrown out of the boat, okay?
We got thrown off the dock, okay?
Boys in those days took a lot of liberties with girls and did things to us they're not supposed to do, and it was just a different era.
And not saying it's right, I'm not saying, and I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, but I'm saying It just seemed like, well, there was enormous political pressure not to confirm Brett Kavanaugh because he is the fifth vote.
in a lot of cases, in really important cases.
So-- Kavanaugh was an acolyte, for God's sake.
I mean, he was a man of very straight demeanor, very proper, a man of great integrity.
I found the whole thing grossly offensive.
But what the Democrats are doing now with COVID and the lawlessness and the riots and all that is just-- they've just lost their way, Dina.
It's just, I'm just dumbfounded.
And I say this as someone who voted for Bill Clinton twice and for Barack Obama twice, and I say the Democrats have just wandered so far off the reservation.
I'm just, it's mind-boggling.
Yeah, I voted for Clinton and Obama too.
But I think the party was different back then.
Yeah, very, very.
And I think the Clintons in the end have been a very destructive force.
Yes, particularly Hillary.
Yes, particularly Hillary, I agree.
And so I think that regardless of how we voted in the past, it's sort of a new era where a lot of people are changing parties, a lot of people are independent.
I consider myself an independent now.
You know, and I have, there's times I've written in my husband, just because I didn't know what to do.
I wrote in David Sachs of Houston, Texas.
You know, that was my vote for president.
So my husband officially got one vote for president.
Very good, very good.
And let me tell you something, he would be better than any president we've had in recent history.
Nice, nice endorsement.
Honest, smart, decent, you know, God-fearing man.
I could not get that endorsement from my wife, I'll just tell you.
We've had the most arguments of our life over politics in the era of Trump because I basically support him and she believes every word out of Rachel Maddow's mouth.
Oh, well, yeah.
A lot of people just keep quiet.
One of the reasons why I think the polls were so off is I think a lot of people who were Republican, when they were asked who they were going to vote for, they'd say Joe Biden, or they'd say Hillary Clinton, because they just didn't want the backlash from saying who they were voting for.
I know there were people in my family who were Well, I, you know, didn't want to disclose who they were voting for because they were afraid of other people in my family getting mad at them.
And it goes both ways.
So there's, it's bizarre to me how, and my husband and I, I mean, I voted for Obama.
He didn't.
And it was like, we talked about it.
It was okay.
Like, you know, we disagree.
We just cancel each other out, whatever.
That's life.
We never got angry with each other for who we voted for.
We respect each other, but there are a lot of families fighting.
And I know that there are people on the other part of my family, some of them aren't talking to each other anymore because of some of them supporting Donald Trump and some of them hating Donald Trump.
I'm like, you guys, at some point, you can't let this divide a family, but they do.
So we're in a really weird era.
I would never have imagined some of the things I see today.
Having a federal judge, someone walk up to her door and blow her son away in broad daylight.
That sounds like Mexico to me.
It does not sound like the United States of America, but here we are.
So we've got some real problems.
The fear factor is so big like I was saying before we live in a and this is the one of the things that Alan Dershowitz said once that I will totally agree with he says law professors are cowards and that now that resonated with me because I get I've been in the legal academy 20 years and they are cowards they you know it's like people tell them what to say and they just regurgitate like they say whatever they're told to say it's like really Like we're being paid a fair amount of money to speak our minds.
That's why we have tenure so we can speak our minds.
But the backlash for speaking your mind can be extraordinary.
You can be stuck in the mud.
You never get out of a bottom institution.
Never get, you may even have trouble getting published.
I don't know, I haven't had that myself yet, but I also hadn't spoken out much when I was writing a lot of the articles.
But, you know, now with books, I mean, we'll see, but I could see that kind of being one of the consequences that you have to suffer when you are not willing to go along with whatever you're told to say.
It's just so fabulous having you here with me this evening, and I'd like to extend the opportunity for you to give a summation to the public of why the research you're doing on the godfathers of sex abuse is so important to our state of being today, to understand what's really going on.
I'd just like to give you the opportunity to sum up.
Sure.
Well, when I started the research, I was just in shock over how the same names kept coming up over and over, the same attorneys mostly.
And I go, wait a minute, what's going on here with these various sexual abuse cases?
So what I was starting to see was sort of a matrix, a whole system in place behind the scenes, in the shadows, the same high profile, respected men, attorneys who are involved in this.
And I started seeing more and more that it was also the same game being played.
The same characteristics were in play, the same components of the system were involved in each of these cases.
And so I started seeing, you know, what I call the monster, you know, in my book is that we have to understand the monster before we can attack it.
So we have to really understand all the ways they're getting away with this.
And one of the ways is in the judicial system itself.
And so, at the end of my second book, I say, well, this is what we need to do.
We need to privatize the systems.
We need to privatize the repositories.
Don't bother with the EEOC.
Don't bother with the prosecutor's office or the police half the time.
I've already started.
It just hasn't really taken hold yet, but I have the website for the book.
And for now, I can take complaints through thegodfatherofsexabuse.com.
But eventually, what I'd like to do is create a big repository of these complaints where we don't hide them from the public.
The EEOC wouldn't give Jodi Kantor and Megan Toohey the complaints about Weinstein.
They're like, oh, we don't have them.
Like, you lost them?
They were like, they complained a week ago.
But the state boards, same thing.
The state medical boards, they will not tell you.
The doctor can have the same exact complaint.
50 different patients.
They won't give you the other 49.
So you think you're alone.
This is why the plaintiffs didn't find each other in the MeToo cases.
They couldn't find each other because the government repositories are hiding the complaints from the victims.
So what I would do is I would create an interactive repository so anyone can get on and see, you know, how many times has my boss or my neighbor or whatever harassed someone else and allow people to get in and find each other.
allow the victims to pool resources and allow people like attorneys like me to, and other attorneys to pool the resources to help 'cause it's so expensive.
You almost can't fight the system.
These guys have major money.
They have very powerful lawyers behind them.
And so I think we have to, as private people, we the people have to save ourselves.
I say, it's not going to be the government's going to save us.
And when it comes to the vaccine industry, and one of the reasons why I just wrote this big paper is like, I started seeing, okay, this problem with sexual assault, it's not just sexual assault.
It's the little people being fleeced every which way they can and depriving us of our rights and not giving us access to the courts.
The vaccine court is a whole other story.
I never heard of the vaccine court.
Neither had my husband.
Neither had my best friend from high school.
I'm sorry, law school.
Neither had my colleagues.
And how could we law professors never have heard of the vaccine court?
Anyway, the bottom line is we as people have to fight back collectively.
And we can't let them push us around anymore, but we have to form alliances, we have to form networks, we have to form repositories of information, and we have to do it privately.
It has to be run by someone who will not be bought.
And the movie star I was talking about said one of the reasons why he was interested in hiring me was because he could tell I could not be bought.
You can't pay me enough.
Because I believe in God, and I don't believe you can ever, you know, ever undo the damage you could do to that relationship if you sell out.
So selling out just isn't in the cards for me, and like I said, I've suffered a lot of career setbacks probably because of it, but it's worth it to me.
So I would say that these books came out because I wanted to expose the whole system, all of it, not just who the perpetrators are, because it's not one or two guys.
Another big point I want to make is when it comes to sexual disease, there's these men called core transmitters.
There's only a few men giving sexual diseases out to dozens and dozens of women.
So I'm going to assume the same is true of sexual assault.
It isn't random.
Not all men commit sexual assault, but the same men do it over and over and over, like the Godfathers in the books.
So we've got to find these guys.
We've got to find them and sort of weed them out of our society.
And we do that by communicating, by having a repository where people can figure out who are they.
And we need to pool our resources to fight back because half the time the prosecutors like Cy Vance and like Bruce Castor in Philadelphia and Alexander Acosta in Palm Beach are helping the rapists.
So we're going to have to form private entities and networks.
That's the only way I can see this working out.
Well, you've made a sensational presentation this evening, and I think anyone watching this will understand now why you were blocked from signing in, so we could actually have made a live broadcast where everyone could both see and hear us.
I eventually brought you in.
They could see us, but they could not hear us.
And I think that they were apprehensive about what you were going to say.
I think you've delivered the goods.
I'm very, very impressed.
And I'm just delighted, Dina, to have you here.
You're a great asset to our society.
And I think your contributions are Going to be enduring.
You're exposing the sordid side of American society which desperately needs to be aired out thoroughly in order to do a thorough house cleaning and set things right.
We haven't even started on my theory of private takings and what I'm going to be doing in that regard in California, where the government's basically given up our public property to criminals, and that is not okay.
And it's essentially a private taking.
You can call it substantive deprocessing, you can call it a lot of things, but it is not okay for our people not to be able to go to the beach because there's criminal And it all appears to be grossly violative of our constitutional rights.
and the cops are looking in the way and the lifeblood looking in the way.
I mean, this is a private taking.
So we've been talking about that a little bit, but that's a whole other-- - And it all appears to be grossly violative of our constitutional rights, grossly, yeah. - It's the little people like us, the average people out there working their tails off, saving their money up, abiding by the law I mean, I'm not saying I've never gone over the speed limit or parked in the wrong place, but I'm saying, you know what I mean, it's not like I'm involved.
Yes, yes, yes.
And us little people are the ones who work so hard to be able to use our public property.
Now, we can't use our public property because it's overrun by criminals, and that is not okay.
And so, anyway, that's just another thing.
Well, Gina, I'm looking forward to having you back again to discuss this public taking, because I think you're on to something very, very important, just as you are with the godfathers of sex abuse.
Well, UC Hastings just sued, I think, the city of San Francisco.
And I was blown away because I had just been telling some friends in Malibu how we might fight back to get back, you know, what we should have.
We spent so much money, we had our whole lives to buy a place there.
Now we literally cannot go to the beaches.
And then all of a sudden I got a note that UC Hastings had sued the city of San Francisco to get the homeless off the streets.
So that is very interesting to me.
And California needs to do a better job.
They've just let the bad people overrun the state.
And as a native Californian, I share that great interest.
I can't wait to have you back.
In the beginning, I described you as a dynamo.
You've certainly lived up to my expectation.
No one will accuse me of false advertising.
I don't know, but I've been told you never slow down, you never get old.
That's right, that's right, that's right.
Keep an engaged mind.
I love it.
This is Jim Fetzer thanking Dina Pollard-Sachs for being my very special guest tonight on the Fetz Presents.
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It's great to have Dina here, and I'm sure you're gonna find this utterly fascinating when you have the chance.
Thanks.
Thank you, Jim.
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